gwharton68 True. The Germans really value and respect engineering in a way that the movers and shakers in the U.K. don't - our "elite" is composed of money men and lawyers. It saddens me that British engineering has declined while Germany's has continued to grow and improve. In the U.K. engineering is looked down on as a dirty business for the lower classes - I despise our "leaders".
@@stumccabe Got to agree with you mate! There is still a good engineering base in the UK, but its decline started in the early 80,s and is reaching a critical point now. But you may want to ask some large UK water companies what their opinion of modern German engineering is, e.g. pumps, there are some real horror stories out there! Sadly the new German stuff replaced old UK stuff which was no longer available.
@Stu McCabe, you are 100% correct which is why I left the UK for the USA. I would say that a lot of my school and university friends who were in Engineering or Applied Sciences left the UK because the UK companies got idiots in to manage them. Basically everything in the UK is short sighted as far as Engineering is concerned, along with the fact that Engineering is thought of as a dirty job done by not so smart people. Disgusting. Engineering in Germany, Japan, China and the USA is a top echelon job.
I love the comically German pragmatism of "We built a larger building around our old building, fitted it with cranes and used them to dismantle the old building". But more importantly, I really love how much effort Hermle puts in their trainee / apprenticeship program. I wish more big manufacturing businesses invested more in that.
They have a U.S. Marine mindset approach to things, In other words even a Marine general is damn Rifleman... U gotta know what your doing to know how to talk about what your doing...
There's a few rich American celebrities that play dumb, but rich people rarely are. Most founders are obsessed with their creations, and can explain them beyond most people's attention span.
Im in awe. What an amazing tour. It's unbelievable to see a corporate head who knows his product so intimately rather than just catering to share holders. What a machine.
The nice thing is also the Hermle Support. They have a file on every machine they produced. When we purchased our used Hermle we called Hermle and they could tell us the whole history of that machine including the setup and recieved services. Amazing! Danke Hermle!
I had s similar experience with a Spirig oxy hydrogen generator I bought of eBay - I contacted the company in Switzerland to ask a technical question - they asked for the serial number and they knew the whole history of the machine.
C40U cost us $500K each in 2006. I met Gunther in 2007 when he came on site to work with openmind to demonstrate their software on our 5axis product. The thing that I have never forgotten was that he recognized one of the hsk holders was put into the magazine 180' out and in the 1.5 seconds to change the tool prevented our spindle from attempting to clamp that holder. Lightning reflexes.
I'm doing a apprenticeship (mechatronics) in Germany in combination with studying at uni. During the apprenticeship I had an exam, the stuff at 28:04 is exactly what I had to prepare and then finish during the examination. Right now I'm busy studying, but I really miss the practical side.
Longest ad on youtube, loved every minute of it. The guy showing you around was basically schooling Americans about what's wrong with your business practices.
you shouldn't be too down on US manufacturers - for example HAAS is not a shabby operation - admittedly germans are pretty engineering orientated however historically the US manufacturers are very very world class - also remember these guys get to sell their stuff into the US market without tariffs - I wonder how many haas machines get into germany - luckily for them the US is very very forgiving.
@@rupert5390 I don't think he meant, that you guys are bad at engineering or couldn't compete in high end machining. You are right, many US manufacturers are top notch. But US business practices and management don't have a positive reputation here. As in management doesn't really care about the products or the workers but only money.
I don't generally watch longer videos but couldn't let this one go. Fantastic video, thanks John. A real lesson in how Germany overcomes high production costs to be the powerhouse it is by playing to its strengths. Fantastic to see the level of social responsibility too.
What a great company with great values and great people. The robot cells and the speed of the 5 axis were amazing! totally worth 1hr23 of my time thank you
That was AMAZING!!! The speed of that machine during the pretzel demo, I had no idea they were that fast, and that quiet.... That was one great tour, Mr. Gunther Schnitzer was great, and you can tell, he really enjoys what he is doing, and is very proud of the company and the employees that work to build these units, in efforts to be extremely competitive in the world market. I am impressed !!
@@Krispykashew Yes. Here in the US, we get management that knows very little about the product outside marketing and sales figures. Yet they attempt to micromanage the process on the day to day. They fail to listen to those who do have knowledge or undermine them for their own gain. And we think the Chinese business modle is bad. We make it possible.
@@billgreathouse1913 damn that's very close to soviet russia. They had a member of the communist party as a supervisor in every major company. Chernobyl wasn't that big of a surprise. For further information check out the Ushanka show on TH-cam
@@Krispykashew Not knowing what a business is founded on is one of the reasons why Lehman Brothers and many others failed. You gotta know what and where the risks and commensurate value are. That's not confined to the US and is to be found worldwide - happy to organise site seeing trips for your education and profit.
Absolutely fantastic tour as always John. It's great that you don't just show the fancy machines but also the place where the students learn! That part is just as important or even more important and they also deserve some attention and it's interesting to see how well they've set up their study area. Hermle seems like a fantastic company!
I have done the Hermle factory tour 3 times at their open house and it really is a good as it looks. Factory is spotless, how else can you build machines of the highest quality!
Reminds me of my days at school in the uk, Our firs year at age 11 was divided into metalwork, woodwork, engineering drawing, cooking, sewing and painting/artwork, from those subjects you picked 3 for your second year, 3rd year you also picked 3 but could only change 1 of the first years 3, and then you carried those on till leaving at 16. This was ontop of your main subjects like maths, english, science etc. I first used a lathe at 13 and on retiring at 55 i bought a small lathe and remembered almost everything. All schools had these workshops and you may get 3 hours a week in each subject. Companies applied to the svhools looking for teainees and you could gain an apprentaship. Nowadays its all theory, books videos and homework, not suprising the kids get bored and don't study, your interest is not captured and amplified towards a job. Another great tour into a top class company. thanks for sharing.
I've been there to do a final acceptance for an Hermle C52 with RS2 robot cell. Impressive company, friendly people, high end machines and a long term friendship between our companys (Heidenhain). Thanks for that tour!
Fantastic tour John. Very cool of Hermle to let you photograph it along the way. Hermle machines are super reliable and accurate machines. Hermle mills made every tile for the space shuttles since ‘87 or so and they continue to make silica tiles for the Orion capsule, and Sierra Nevada’s Dreamchaser commercial cargo vehicle. The silica material is really tough on ballscrews and we’ve had Hermle replace them every few years despite elaborate dust collection systems on them. Otherwise, these machines just keep on going and going. You’re a lucky guy to get that tour. Cheers
I used to work in the mold making field. Hermle is by far the best CNC milling machine I had ever seen in my life, unfortunately I was stuck on a 5-axis OKK while my great colleague had the privilege to work on this state of the art equipment. This machine is absolutely fantastic, Super accurate and fast. Hats off to Hermle and thank you making this tour public.
A fine gentleman knowing the business and his machines. I've traveled the world with a large company servicing the customer - often taking a Tech Support and service with me. This is a real fine person and represents his company so well.
But you will pay a hefty premium for German quality. I buy Festool for my woodshop because of the high quality but I pay twice the price as the nearest competitor. Not everyone needs Festool levels of quality however.
I will die just to be a simple janitor in that company. That President&CTO is what the whole world needs. I bet that guy motivates everybody under that roof and this is why everything looks flawless around. Just love it! And NYC CNC, I just appreciate your work and your willing to provide us a look inside some niche companies that are producing the machines that are keeping our world moving to the future. Thanks! Greetings from Romania!
I work for a large cutting tool company in the US which is part of a huge parent company. We use Hermle extensively to produce our indexable tool bodies. The machines are workhorses and offer unbeatable machining bay access. We develop our own post processors and utilize laser systems for tool measurement. The HSK workholding they spoke about is used heavily and offers critical location accuracy. For 5 axis machines, I don't believe you can do better than Hermle, it's all they make. The Hermle US manager on this tour shows what a leader should know... All the details, excellent tour and thanks for sharing it!
Absolutely fantastic John, mind blowing the scale of this factory, unbelievable just how clean it is, the educational side is really fantastic, really hands on which in my eyes is the only way to learn, you can read as much as possible listen to teachers for years but nothing compares to hands on, thank you for the tour and to all the company staff, very enjoyable thank you, Matty🇦🇺
It is good to see the wisdom of both Hermle and Grob, those smart Germans, in running substantial training programs for machinists and electricians oriented towards their machines. Germany has been known for such things for many decades, but it is nice to see it up close in practice. Good reporting, gracious hosting. And on top of it, they are leading the way in robotic feeding of machines, as well. An impressive tour.
Thank you for this video. Absolutely fantastic. I love the fact that the students learn all parts of the product from using to building. You just don't see that as everyone learns one thing and that's it. Even better the learning to write Gcode by hand before starting surf cad cam software. Amazing. Cheers Peter
@@MikeHenry362 What also often happens is that many engineers drive companies into the ground because they don't understand the basics of business. One's mental capacity to achieve in a given field is not represented by their major or job title; most engineers could do fuck all when it comes to growing a company just like most MBAs could do fuck all as far as setting up an employee work flow. Legitimately capable CEOs are rare people that can come from any one of many backgrounds, plain and simple
@@MikeHenry362 He's still not totally wrong on this, no matter his language. There's a balance of things and no shortage of historical examples of ingenious and knowledgeable men who were full of inventiveness but had no business sense whatsoever.
John I think I have watched this tour 3 times now, and I am in awe of the quality and performance of the Hermle operations. I wish you and John G, and even Titan G existed when I was 16, to have shape my future in a manufacturing focused way. I hope to have a similar impact in my own way! Thank you for all you are doing to educate and expose others to the wonderful world of manufacturing and specifically machining.
That was one incredible tour, amazing shops. Amazing people and amazing smile along your way. The table swing me into 20years ago swinging with my brothers in a avocado branch when we all came down with branch on our backs. It is never enough watching the video, bring their would be unmentionable. Great tour it me. Thanks.
just fantastic! That factory was impeccable . The German education system is top notch! I think your video should be published and our country's (USA) leaders watch what is going on elsewhere in the world to learn some basics in economics and manufacturing.
Co op programs are the best and all high schools should implement it. I learned CNC back in 84 when I was 14 years old here in Canada. The birth of CNC.
Very good. I am from Brazil and i have worked in this area for 25 years and i have operate hermle. I am a fan of the videos and one day i want to know a factory like this.
I haven’t heard much about this company Hermle in a lot of the videos I have been seeing. I’m starting to see a lot more, and I’m so amazed. The quality they perform at and their standard is just jaw dropping. I thought I have seen so much, and then I see all of these giant 5-axis machines. Just amazes me. This CEO is cool too. He is very Intelligent, and just knows how his company is working. The complete flow. I subscribed to this channel. Cool stuff! Thanks for sharing.
That President is on it! I loved his knowledge and passion about the whole thing from top to bottom. Definitely not s fat cat living off his workers. Super nice facility. Where was the foundry?
I ran out of tissues and now my lap top is very sticky... @Saunders Machine Works thanks so much for making this, makes it much easier to pull the trigger on a Hermle… Gunter S seems very cool too. CHEERS!
Every German factory has such a department. Maybe not as sufisticated as hermles,but very similar. It also depends on the size of the company, but all German apprentices go to this kind of training.
Places like this is where civilization is made. I feel like not enough people really appreciate this fact. They just take technology for granted. They don't really care where it came from, that it comes from a very long and exquisite chain of technical advancements (some big, most tiny). I'm not really sure, but I feel like Germany is one of the countries that best understands this. This appreciation is the root whence their excellent products, stellar reputation, and huge trade surplus sprouts. I would suggest that other countries that want to replicate that success begin by developing similar values (and competencies) instead of starting trade wars. The formula for economic success is simple, but difficult and time consuming: build it, and they will come.
Meanwhile, in the US, we have BS companies like WeWork, who know how to wow overly-endowed private investors using presentation slides, but can't run a service that creates real value (in fact, they've become quite efficient at burning money).
1:22 dry cutting. I dry cut steel all the time and in fact some of the harder steels like 4130, 15-5, 17-4, 4340 cut the best dry and fast. I find coolant will cause a flux of issues with temp variations and oil mist can cause work hardening. Often I use a simple Molza tools $13 , 3 or 4 flute cutter and it rips through those and tool steels like butter.
Fun fact, if your hermle stops working, hermle will get a service employee to you within 24 hours, they basically send every part your machine has with the technician, so the technician will be able to get your machine back running in the same day. In Germany my teacher once said "das sind die besten Maschinen der welt" (these are the finest machines the world has to offer) and I can confirm, he was right.
I learned my trade from Germans. In a small, family run shop. I can tell you, top effort and concentration is expected. A high standard that you make part of your work life. You either love precision and efficiency or you are gone. If you make it, you are treated like family. This is what Canadian metal trades development needs: high expectations and high rewards. You see it in this tour.
One of the best CNC machine factories in the world - I would love to look into buying one of these machines for my machine shop. After watched this video, it changed my mind on other machine brand.
What's fk'd up is I bet their USA based subsidiary treats their US workers better than native American companies treat their workers in the US. This is what nationalists never get when they rant about stuff. Everything is bullshit projection when it comes to pride that involves blaming other people or not taking responsibility for why things aren't sustainable. What matters is what you yourself do, how you yourself treat people, and it doesn't matter if someone elsewhere is completing with you if you have a reputation for doing amazing work, producing amazing products, and most importantly treating your employees and customers well. Over the years I've worked for some operations here in the US that had become subsidiaries of German multinational conglomerates and they were some of the best work experiences I've had in my life. There really is something nice about working for someone who sees you are a human being, not having the constant fear from the knowledge that the executives are constantly plotting for ways to pay your less for the same work, constantly encouraging you to cut corners or somehow screw over the clients, and most importantly not always finding scapegoats for why the company is fking you over.
Hell no! Most American company's treat their employees like they should be lucky to even have a job. I'd be scared to buy a new car, just to have the owners look at me like I make to much money or that they bought the car for me.
@Adam Dee Those jobs aren't coming back, at least in the form that people are thinking of. Just look at the German company in this video. Compare this video to the ones of American companies. Notice that this company isn't what Americans think of as an industrial factory but is much more akin to something you would see operating in silicon valley. Unlike Americans, it seems like what allows Germany to stay relevant in manufacturing is that they are never trying to freeze their society and economy in time but are always trying to be part of the future. This is what I was talking about when I said American companies seem to always give their employees bullshit scapegoat excuses rather than owning up to the fact that it is the companies fault that it is not doing well and becoming irrelevant to the present global economy. The only American factory floors I have seen that look like this German one are at Tesla and SpaceX. This place isn't creating blue collar factory jobs like the American GOP is always promising in the US. Even their people hired for basic assembly were required to get what amounts to a 4 year college degree (which the company provides and pays for) just to be qualified enough to begin entry level work. In that video that CEO mentioned that everyone you saw on that factory floor was either a college educated engineer, journeyman electrician, or machinist with around 4 years of certification just to start work on the facilities production floor. Unlike Americans, German companies are constantly evolving and changing with technology rather than just trying to do the same thing, the same way but cheaper while trying to find scummy ways to resell the exact same crap to the same people. Notice how that executive took pride in the fact that they build machines that are capable of the highest precision and aren't designed to fail after a predetermined set of years (they used crush bolts to protect against damage in a crash) just so the company can sell the same customer the same machine again and how he constantly was pointing out ways they were innovating to create significantly more advanced products each generation rather than just finding ways to sell the same products for more profit. That guy understands that it is better to create amazing new products that can do dramatically more than what you sold people in the past rather than just finding ways to get your customers to buy the same crap you sold them before but with corners cut to make more money from the sale. If they had just stuck with classic blue-collar manufacturing the way most Americans envision it, they would have gone out of business years ago. Instead they evolved and became what most Americans think of as a technology company and not a factory.
@@RazorSkinned86 German companies are able to sell their products to the entire EU, something like 50% of their economy depends on exports to the EU. Southern European countries have a difficult time competing due to basic geographic problems compared to the European plain Northern Euro countries. I think you are seeing the excesses associated with an industry that is dominating an area and projecting that onto investing in the employees. I don't think the two are as related, but the choice between seeking bottom of the barrel cheap labor and a quality workforce that you have invested in is what we are interested in. The reasons to actually do that probably include not having massive amounts of illegal immigrant labor available and access to the same markets after outsourcing.
multiHappyHacker yes, these are many. You don’t even need to look hard to find these programs. My company has a high school and college apprenticeship in Denver. Sorry to burst your anti American bubble.
Not very often I watch long videos over half an hour but this was so interesting loved every minute of it.I have a couple of cnc machines a Doosan lathe and a Fadal vmc and just purchased another Doosan vmc but after watching these machines it's hard not to want one if money wasn't the issue.
At about 1:16:00 where it goes from the CTO talking to just machine noise for a few seconds then picks the convo back up, was that a subtle censor for details of how it operates that they told you but decided they didn't want to be public, the CTO seemed incredibly proud of the company so could understand him divulging details that in-retrospect weren't allowed.
Well...i know where i´m going this weekend. Just a 30km trip, thanks for the heads up! I just finished my apprenticeship, this would be a nice way to see what´s even possible. Absolutely amazing.
It is really great that the president of the company can explain his product so well. Fantastic company both in plant and personnel.
Agree! Thanks!
gwharton68 True. The Germans really value and respect engineering in a way that the movers and shakers in the U.K. don't - our "elite" is composed of money men and lawyers. It saddens me that British engineering has declined while Germany's has continued to grow and improve. In the U.K. engineering is looked down on as a dirty business for the lower classes - I despise our "leaders".
@@stumccabe Got to agree with you mate! There is still a good engineering base in the UK, but its decline started in the early 80,s and is reaching a critical point now. But you may want to ask some large UK water companies what their opinion of modern German engineering is, e.g. pumps, there are some real horror stories out there! Sadly the new German stuff replaced old UK stuff which was no longer available.
Not only does he know the machines and processes perfecly; he is also quite pasionate about them
@Stu McCabe, you are 100% correct which is why I left the UK for the USA. I would say that a lot of my school and university friends who were in Engineering or Applied Sciences left the UK because the UK companies got idiots in to manage them. Basically everything in the UK is short sighted as far as Engineering is concerned, along with the fact that Engineering is thought of as a dirty job done by not so smart people. Disgusting. Engineering in Germany, Japan, China and the USA is a top echelon job.
I love the comically German pragmatism of "We built a larger building around our old building, fitted it with cranes and used them to dismantle the old building".
But more importantly, I really love how much effort Hermle puts in their trainee / apprenticeship program. I wish more big manufacturing businesses invested more in that.
A President & CTO who actually knows what he is talking about? How rare is that. No wonder they are world class.
thats pretty common in germany.
They have a U.S. Marine mindset approach to things, In other words even a Marine general is damn Rifleman... U gotta know what your doing to know how to talk about what your doing...
There's a few rich American celebrities that play dumb, but rich people rarely are. Most founders are obsessed with their creations, and can explain them beyond most people's attention span.
Morten Brodersen German thinking, well it ain't shrinking !!!
It's not rate at all in Germany. It's pretty unacceptable not to be like this guy there
Im in awe. What an amazing tour. It's unbelievable to see a corporate head who knows his product so intimately rather than just catering to share holders. What a machine.
That's probably the wonder of German apprentice program Called ''Ausbildung''.
@Fast Cara Nobody commits suicide because she/he/it(?) has an Ausbildungsplatz. People commit suicide, because they cannot cope with their issues...
We call this "Mittelständisches Unternehmen".
Welcome to Germany
The nice thing is also the Hermle Support. They have a file on every machine they produced. When we purchased our used Hermle we called Hermle and they could tell us the whole history of that machine including the setup and recieved services. Amazing!
Danke Hermle!
I had s similar experience with a Spirig oxy hydrogen generator I bought of eBay - I contacted the company in Switzerland to ask a technical question - they asked for the serial number and they knew the whole history of the machine.
The Germans are so good because they invest in their youth. Brilliant company brilliant results!
They have intelligent youth
@@libertarian1536 That observation is made possible because they invest in their youth.
Democrats tell American youth to study LGBTQ, racism, and feminism, and they also invest in illegals/youth.
C40U cost us $500K each in 2006. I met Gunther in 2007 when he came on site to work with openmind to demonstrate their software on our 5axis product. The thing that I have never forgotten was that he recognized one of the hsk holders was put into the magazine 180' out and in the 1.5 seconds to change the tool prevented our spindle from attempting to clamp that holder. Lightning reflexes.
I'm doing a apprenticeship (mechatronics) in Germany in combination with studying at uni. During the apprenticeship I had an exam, the stuff at 28:04 is exactly what I had to prepare and then finish during the examination. Right now I'm busy studying, but I really miss the practical side.
God Bless brother!
Longest ad on youtube, loved every minute of it. The guy showing you around was basically schooling Americans about what's wrong with your business practices.
you shouldn't be too down on US manufacturers - for example HAAS is not a shabby operation - admittedly germans are pretty engineering orientated however historically the US manufacturers are very very world class - also remember these guys get to sell their stuff into the US market without tariffs - I wonder how many haas machines get into germany - luckily for them the US is very very forgiving.
Also these really really smart germans just sold their top robotics firm Kuka to the chinese so that it can be plundered for the IP and expertise.
@@rupert5390 you would be surprised to see how many HAAS machines are here, in my region, in Italy.
@@rupert5390 I don't think he meant, that you guys are bad at engineering or couldn't compete in high end machining.
You are right, many US manufacturers are top notch. But US business practices and management don't have a positive reputation here. As in management doesn't really care about the products or the workers but only money.
I am a manufacturer from Ireland and am always impressed with the quality and scale of USA manufacturing.
Loved the fact that the CEO knew everything! Everything was amazing.
I don't generally watch longer videos but couldn't let this one go. Fantastic video, thanks John. A real lesson in how Germany overcomes high production costs to be the powerhouse it is by playing to its strengths. Fantastic to see the level of social responsibility too.
We absolutely LOVE representing Hermle in the Australian market place. The quality and precision of the machines speak for themselves.
How many Hermle out in the wild down under?
What a great company with great values and great people. The robot cells and the speed of the 5 axis were amazing! totally worth 1hr23 of my time thank you
That was AMAZING!!! The speed of that machine during the pretzel demo, I had no idea they were that fast, and that quiet.... That was one great tour, Mr. Gunther Schnitzer was great, and you can tell, he really enjoys what he is doing, and is very proud of the company and the employees that work to build these units, in efforts to be extremely competitive in the world market. I am impressed !!
Wow! I think that CEO could do everyones job if he has to. Awesome.
I think it was cto
But anyway impressive how detailed he knows his machines
Thats the way it should be. sadly upper management in the US rarely has clue what it actually takes to produce their products.
@@Krispykashew Yes. Here in the US, we get management that knows very little about the product outside marketing and sales figures. Yet they attempt to micromanage the process on the day to day. They fail to listen to those who do have knowledge or undermine them for their own gain. And we think the Chinese business modle is bad. We make it possible.
@@billgreathouse1913 damn that's very close to soviet russia. They had a member of the communist party as a supervisor in every major company. Chernobyl wasn't that big of a surprise. For further information check out the Ushanka show on TH-cam
@@Krispykashew Not knowing what a business is founded on is one of the reasons why Lehman Brothers and many others failed. You gotta know what and where the risks and commensurate value are. That's not confined to the US and is to be found worldwide - happy to organise site seeing trips for your education and profit.
I was most impressed by the part of this amazing factory where apprentices are trained! Well done, Hermle!
Absolutely fantastic tour as always John. It's great that you don't just show the fancy machines but also the place where the students learn! That part is just as important or even more important and they also deserve some attention and it's interesting to see how well they've set up their study area. Hermle seems like a fantastic company!
I have done the Hermle factory tour 3 times at their open house and it really is a good as it looks. Factory is spotless, how else can you build machines of the highest quality!
42:03 very proud to see our drilling machines in their shop. 😀
cool!!!
Well done 👍
Exellent tour. Ceo is so easy to understand. Worth all 1hr 20 min.
If you open a milling machine to reveal a gold foil wrapper, you and your grandpa win a tour of the factory!
Reminds me of my days at school in the uk, Our firs year at age 11 was divided into metalwork, woodwork, engineering drawing, cooking, sewing and painting/artwork, from those subjects you picked 3 for your second year, 3rd year you also picked 3 but could only change 1 of the first years 3, and then you carried those on till leaving at 16. This was ontop of your main subjects like maths, english, science etc. I first used a lathe at 13 and on retiring at 55 i bought a small lathe and remembered almost everything. All schools had these workshops and you may get 3 hours a week in each subject. Companies applied to the svhools looking for teainees and you could gain an apprentaship. Nowadays its all theory, books videos and homework, not suprising the kids get bored and don't study, your interest is not captured and amplified towards a job. Another great tour into a top class company. thanks for sharing.
yes same in holland
Immensely impressed with their apprenticeship program
Wow, I love the HERMLE machines
I've been there to do a final acceptance for an Hermle C52 with RS2 robot cell.
Impressive company, friendly people, high end machines and a long term friendship between our companys (Heidenhain).
Thanks for that tour!
Fantastic tour John. Very cool of Hermle to let you photograph it along the way. Hermle machines are super reliable and accurate machines. Hermle mills made every tile for the space shuttles since ‘87 or so and they continue to make silica tiles for the Orion capsule, and Sierra Nevada’s Dreamchaser commercial cargo vehicle. The silica material is really tough on ballscrews and we’ve had Hermle replace them every few years despite elaborate dust collection systems on them. Otherwise, these machines just keep on going and going. You’re a lucky guy to get that tour. Cheers
I used to work in the mold making field.
Hermle is by far the best CNC milling machine I had ever seen in my life,
unfortunately I was stuck on a 5-axis OKK while my great colleague had the privilege to work on this state of the art equipment.
This machine is absolutely fantastic, Super accurate and fast.
Hats off to Hermle and thank you making this tour public.
Thanks Hermle for the opportunity to see your facility.You must be proud of all that you are building
Outstanding video. Outstanding factory and great president and CTO doing the tour!!!!! Thank you.
Inspiring video, smooth camera and editing, clean audio with a live presence. An education in applying yourself.
Herstellung und Schulung unter einem Dach - schön gemacht, Hut ab :)
This looks like an amazing place to work for. You can tell they really take pride in what the do.
A fine gentleman knowing the business and his machines. I've traveled the world with a large company servicing the customer - often taking a Tech Support and service with me. This is a real fine person and represents his company so well.
This is the proper way of training our young people. Germany has got it right again......
This is my second favorite video on all of TH-cam, right after the starrett factory tour.
that's not comparable
German CEO: Make everything in Germany.
USA CEO: Outsource everything to China.
It's sad but true in alot of cases these days.
Also notice that when you go to a German Factory the quality of the peoples English compared to Chinese factory tours.
most CEO's are sociopaths.
sadly there are many german companies that are doing this. glad to see that hermle is not doing this.
But you will pay a hefty premium for German quality. I buy Festool for my woodshop because of the high quality but I pay twice the price as the nearest competitor. Not everyone needs Festool levels of quality however.
Awesome leader with large knowledge! Schön zusehen das es noch so Firmen gibt. Respekt an euch.
I will die just to be a simple janitor in that company. That President&CTO is what the whole world needs. I bet that guy motivates everybody under that roof and this is why everything looks flawless around.
Just love it!
And NYC CNC, I just appreciate your work and your willing to provide us a look inside some niche companies that are producing the machines that are keeping our world moving to the future. Thanks!
Greetings from Romania!
I work for a large cutting tool company in the US which is part of a huge parent company. We use Hermle extensively to produce our indexable tool bodies. The machines are workhorses and offer unbeatable machining bay access. We develop our own post processors and utilize laser systems for tool measurement. The HSK workholding they spoke about is used heavily and offers critical location accuracy. For 5 axis machines, I don't believe you can do better than Hermle, it's all they make. The Hermle US manager on this tour shows what a leader should know... All the details, excellent tour and thanks for sharing it!
Absolutely fantastic John, mind blowing the scale of this factory, unbelievable just how clean it is, the educational side is really fantastic, really hands on which in my eyes is the only way to learn, you can read as much as possible listen to teachers for years but nothing compares to hands on, thank you for the tour and to all the company staff, very enjoyable thank you, Matty🇦🇺
the enthusiasm of this guy is inspiring.
It is good to see the wisdom of both Hermle and Grob, those smart Germans, in running substantial training programs for machinists and electricians oriented towards their machines. Germany has been known for such things for many decades, but it is nice to see it up close in practice. Good reporting, gracious hosting. And on top of it, they are leading the way in robotic feeding of machines, as well. An impressive tour.
Now, that's taking it seriously. Congrats to SMW and specially Hermle.
Thank you for this video. Absolutely fantastic. I love the fact that the students learn all parts of the product from using to building. You just don't see that as everyone learns one thing and that's it. Even better the learning to write Gcode by hand before starting surf cad cam software.
Amazing.
Cheers
Peter
Amazing machines and amazing peoples. President & CTO know every small detail about machines and probably could build one if he wants.
Maybe that's what happens when engineers run the company as opposed to MBAs.
@@MikeHenry362 What also often happens is that many engineers drive companies into the ground because they don't understand the basics of business.
One's mental capacity to achieve in a given field is not represented by their major or job title; most engineers could do fuck all when it comes to growing a company just like most MBAs could do fuck all as far as setting up an employee work flow.
Legitimately capable CEOs are rare people that can come from any one of many backgrounds, plain and simple
@@RyTrapp0 Nice language - really helps make your point.
@@MikeHenry362 Great retort - you really proved me wrong...
@@MikeHenry362 He's still not totally wrong on this, no matter his language. There's a balance of things and no shortage of historical examples of ingenious and knowledgeable men who were full of inventiveness but had no business sense whatsoever.
John I think I have watched this tour 3 times now, and I am in awe of the quality and performance of the Hermle operations. I wish you and John G, and even Titan G existed when I was 16, to have shape my future in a manufacturing focused way. I hope to have a similar impact in my own way! Thank you for all you are doing to educate and expose others to the wonderful world of manufacturing and specifically machining.
Hugely impressive machinery, and even more impressive, the investment in apprentices to guarantee the future. Awesome company.
it is amazing this company invests in a new generation to be part of current and future innovation. Thanks for sharing this outstanding work.
my sincere thanks to Hermle Staff and team I enjoyed it
That was one incredible tour, amazing shops. Amazing people and amazing smile along your way. The table swing me into 20years ago swinging with my brothers in a avocado branch when we all came down with branch on our backs. It is never enough watching the video, bring their would be unmentionable. Great tour it me. Thanks.
just fantastic! That factory was impeccable . The German education system is top notch! I think your video should be published and our country's (USA) leaders watch what is going on elsewhere in the world to learn some basics in economics and manufacturing.
Co op programs are the best and all high schools should implement it. I learned CNC back in 84 when I was 14 years old here in Canada. The birth of CNC.
38:15 that's like from fps game. I like they make everything in one place. No shipping of parts here and there and all that fuel burned..
Keep them coming loved every second of the video CEO a Amazing man thanks for the video.
Awesome German quality and craftsmanship.
Ok I had to watch that again! Thanks John your a truly lucky guy to have had that tour!hence us too!
The tool change speed though. What an amazing company! Incredible! Das ist wonderful!
Very good. I am from Brazil and i have worked in this area for 25 years and i have operate hermle. I am a fan of the videos and one day i want to know a factory like this.
I haven’t heard much about this company Hermle in a lot of the videos I have been seeing. I’m starting to see a lot more, and I’m so amazed. The quality they perform at and their standard is just jaw dropping. I thought I have seen so much, and then I see all of these giant 5-axis machines. Just amazes me. This CEO is cool too. He is very Intelligent, and just knows how his company is working. The complete flow. I subscribed to this channel. Cool stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for showing, no outsourcing, and the most incredible factory & tour I have seen.
That President is on it! I loved his knowledge and passion about the whole thing from top to bottom. Definitely not s fat cat living off his workers. Super nice facility. Where was the foundry?
In Gosheim Germany. That's Hermle. I agree that the President is not a fat cat .
That's what I'm thinking, they should have a foundry! Reuse all those chips/scraps
Fantastic tour - thanks Jon
Awesome. Great factory tour. Thanks.
Just simply awesome!!! As an amateur metal worker, I had tears in my eyes!!
Focused Machine tool builder, great to watch these kind of people and factories.
1:08:00 wow that moves like it's no weight. Faster than my tiny 3D printer. Incredible.
Incredible. What a company, What a product.
I ran out of tissues and now my lap top is very sticky... @Saunders Machine Works thanks so much for making this, makes it much easier to pull the trigger on a Hermle… Gunter S seems very cool too. CHEERS!
Absolutely the greatest content out there on cnc that I know of. I love your dedication and love for the industry! THANK YOU!!
Very impressive path of education!
I know that it's impossible, but i wish every factory could go that way.
Great video, great tour. Keep it up!
Every German factory has such a department. Maybe not as sufisticated as hermles,but very similar. It also depends on the size of the company, but all German apprentices go to this kind of training.
If more people in charge were as knowledgeable and involved as him, the world would likely be a much better place 😀😀😀
I know nothing about this type of work, but I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed watching it. thanks
Gunther was a great company representative!
Impressive. Would have been interesting to see their foundry.
Indeed.
So so Beautiful ....I wanna cry !
Places like this is where civilization is made. I feel like not enough people really appreciate this fact. They just take technology for granted. They don't really care where it came from, that it comes from a very long and exquisite chain of technical advancements (some big, most tiny).
I'm not really sure, but I feel like Germany is one of the countries that best understands this. This appreciation is the root whence their excellent products, stellar reputation, and huge trade surplus sprouts. I would suggest that other countries that want to replicate that success begin by developing similar values (and competencies) instead of starting trade wars. The formula for economic success is simple, but difficult and time consuming: build it, and they will come.
Meanwhile, in the US, we have BS companies like WeWork, who know how to wow overly-endowed private investors using presentation slides, but can't run a service that creates real value (in fact, they've become quite efficient at burning money).
I'm definitely envious of those interns and apprentices, I never had that kind of education at that age or at any age.
1:22 dry cutting. I dry cut steel all the time and in fact some of the harder steels like 4130, 15-5, 17-4, 4340 cut the best dry and fast. I find coolant will cause a flux of issues with temp variations and oil mist can cause work hardening. Often I use a simple Molza tools $13 , 3 or 4 flute cutter and it rips through those and tool steels like butter.
Glenn Edward heat is the enemy , take the heat with the chip.cast iron for sure dry m/c
Leaky Weeks yes, get it in the chip so it melts the skin and not the part, ;-).I agree
Awesome factory tour!
Awesome machines!
Thanks!
Fun fact, if your hermle stops working, hermle will get a service employee to you within 24 hours, they basically send every part your machine has with the technician, so the technician will be able to get your machine back running in the same day.
In Germany my teacher once said "das sind die besten Maschinen der welt" (these are the finest machines the world has to offer) and I can confirm, he was right.
Just incredible. Straight out of a science fiction movie!
First machine shop I have ever seen that is cleaner than most hospitals! Gotta love those Germans.
Nice video of Hermle - hope we see more of No. 5 :-)
CEO is great. Great video. German Machine always topnotch. Thanks
I learned my trade from Germans. In a small, family run shop. I can tell you, top effort and concentration is expected. A high standard that you make part of your work life. You either love precision and efficiency or you are gone. If you make it, you are treated like family. This is what Canadian metal trades development needs: high expectations and high rewards. You see it in this tour.
One of the best CNC machine factories in the world - I would love to look into buying one of these machines for my machine shop. After watched this video, it changed my mind on other machine brand.
This is quite special. So excited for your success.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Great tour!! Thank you!!!
HI John, I really love your factory tour series, wish you could do just that full time!
I've been to the Hermle factory a couple of times. It's always amazing to see.
Watching this film has made me wish I could turn back time. If only I could re-select my career choice.
Great film of a brilliant company. Thank you .
Are there even any American companies that educate young employees like that?
What's fk'd up is I bet their USA based subsidiary treats their US workers better than native American companies treat their workers in the US. This is what nationalists never get when they rant about stuff. Everything is bullshit projection when it comes to pride that involves blaming other people or not taking responsibility for why things aren't sustainable. What matters is what you yourself do, how you yourself treat people, and it doesn't matter if someone elsewhere is completing with you if you have a reputation for doing amazing work, producing amazing products, and most importantly treating your employees and customers well.
Over the years I've worked for some operations here in the US that had become subsidiaries of German multinational conglomerates and they were some of the best work experiences I've had in my life. There really is something nice about working for someone who sees you are a human being, not having the constant fear from the knowledge that the executives are constantly plotting for ways to pay your less for the same work, constantly encouraging you to cut corners or somehow screw over the clients, and most importantly not always finding scapegoats for why the company is fking you over.
Hell no! Most American company's treat their employees like they should be lucky to even have a job. I'd be scared to buy a new car, just to have the owners look at me like I make to much money or that they bought the car for me.
@Adam Dee Those jobs aren't coming back, at least in the form that people are thinking of. Just look at the German company in this video. Compare this video to the ones of American companies. Notice that this company isn't what Americans think of as an industrial factory but is much more akin to something you would see operating in silicon valley. Unlike Americans, it seems like what allows Germany to stay relevant in manufacturing is that they are never trying to freeze their society and economy in time but are always trying to be part of the future. This is what I was talking about when I said American companies seem to always give their employees bullshit scapegoat excuses rather than owning up to the fact that it is the companies fault that it is not doing well and becoming irrelevant to the present global economy.
The only American factory floors I have seen that look like this German one are at Tesla and SpaceX. This place isn't creating blue collar factory jobs like the American GOP is always promising in the US. Even their people hired for basic assembly were required to get what amounts to a 4 year college degree (which the company provides and pays for) just to be qualified enough to begin entry level work. In that video that CEO mentioned that everyone you saw on that factory floor was either a college educated engineer, journeyman electrician, or machinist with around 4 years of certification just to start work on the facilities production floor. Unlike Americans, German companies are constantly evolving and changing with technology rather than just trying to do the same thing, the same way but cheaper while trying to find scummy ways to resell the exact same crap to the same people.
Notice how that executive took pride in the fact that they build machines that are capable of the highest precision and aren't designed to fail after a predetermined set of years (they used crush bolts to protect against damage in a crash) just so the company can sell the same customer the same machine again and how he constantly was pointing out ways they were innovating to create significantly more advanced products each generation rather than just finding ways to sell the same products for more profit. That guy understands that it is better to create amazing new products that can do dramatically more than what you sold people in the past rather than just finding ways to get your customers to buy the same crap you sold them before but with corners cut to make more money from the sale. If they had just stuck with classic blue-collar manufacturing the way most Americans envision it, they would have gone out of business years ago. Instead they evolved and became what most Americans think of as a technology company and not a factory.
@@RazorSkinned86 German companies are able to sell their products to the entire EU, something like 50% of their economy depends on exports to the EU. Southern European countries have a difficult time competing due to basic geographic problems compared to the European plain Northern Euro countries. I think you are seeing the excesses associated with an industry that is dominating an area and projecting that onto investing in the employees.
I don't think the two are as related, but the choice between seeking bottom of the barrel cheap labor and a quality workforce that you have invested in is what we are interested in. The reasons to actually do that probably include not having massive amounts of illegal immigrant labor available and access to the same markets after outsourcing.
multiHappyHacker yes, these are many. You don’t even need to look hard to find these programs. My company has a high school and college apprenticeship in Denver. Sorry to burst your anti American bubble.
hermle are my fav mc's...THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR!!!!
Not very often I watch long videos over half an hour but this was so interesting loved every minute of it.I have a couple of cnc machines a Doosan lathe and a Fadal vmc and just purchased another Doosan vmc but after watching these machines it's hard not to want one if money wasn't the issue.
Great factory tour! Incredible trainee department this company got, the Germans really are into this
I want to give this video more likes.
At about 1:16:00 where it goes from the CTO talking to just machine noise for a few seconds then picks the convo back up, was that a subtle censor for details of how it operates that they told you but decided they didn't want to be public, the CTO seemed incredibly proud of the company so could understand him divulging details that in-retrospect weren't allowed.
Runing new C12U for 3 months, absolutelly gorgeous machine !
Wow, this place is amazing. Some of those show pieces were nuts.
Well...i know where i´m going this weekend. Just a 30km trip, thanks for the heads up! I just finished my apprenticeship, this would be a nice way to see what´s even possible. Absolutely amazing.