I love how Jim started out sounding more like a rep, but gradually loosened up and you could really see how passionate he is about what their team does. Very cool stuff!
EASILY one of the most intriguing shop tours you have ever done John. Some really interesting and exciting stuff that I would love to implement at the shop and at the very least things to consider. This video definitely made me think outside the box, some very clever processes and applications used here.
Never thought I’d see someone put John on the mat when it comes to intense enthusiasm and unparalleled gift of gab in his chosen field of expertise. 🤣😳
Great video and a pretty impressive setup they have. Brad visited the lab that I was working in a few years ago. We had nearly 30 machines and we'd been sorting everything out. His team has taken it even further and really got the machining side integrated. Things that got skipped over were the hours spent vacuuming and sieving the used powder, the shakeout process and support removal which both require extreme violence. The build plates warp during the builds so every X amount of builds and recondition cycles the plates are so tapered upwards that the hold down and lift points are rendered useless. We came up with a simple way to extend the life of the plates via reconditioning machining (not just surfacing). We used 4" thick 1018 and 3" 718 plates but they still warped. We also were the first to use a Moly-b EDM wire machine. It's about 10x faster than brass wire. We could never get our need for fixtures sorted and COVID stunted the whole program. I think I also saw a HIP machine which is part of the post process. There's also heat treat, stress relief and aging. Involved. Then there's surface treatment. The surface finish is very rough and getting that smooth is a challenge in itself. You could do a second video on just what occurs between print and machining. P.S. the powders are very hazardous to your health between the size of the particles and metals like nickel. They're also reactive/combustible/explosive. Inconel is combustible when it's in the condensate stage (like a charcoal state for metal) that is briefly mentioned early on with the guys in the full suits. We used wet tank vacuums to mitigate dust but the aluminum reacts with the water and makes hydrogen and cement. Lastly, these are multi-million dollar machines and they require constant maintenance. Every build requires full cleaning. Every material change requires extensive disassembly and cleaning. Then routine maintenance and special maintenance. There's millions per year spent on that in a shop like that - including warranty work. For a time we had a factory supplied maintainer in house. Oh yeah and we had a one off EOS 450 that was an expanded envelope 400, sounds simple enough but not in that world. Things coming in the future when I left and might be already on the floor is blue light inspection during the builds so the build will self adjust to stay in tolerance also better support structures and floating parts so no need to cut from a plate and little to no supports.
Thank you for another very interesting tour! Manufacturing technology is pushing us forward in so many different ways.I started with computer-aided Metrology in the early eighties and built a large Department within side of a major Aerospace company That specialized in product support for nearly 30 years. However there are always significant challenges when you're trying to demonstrate to those that don't understand the value of new technologies such as computer-aided Metrology or Additive Manufacturing . This kind of Advanced Manufacturing Technology is so useful but often discarded because it is felt that additive Manufacturing is costly and inefficient and subtractive Manufacturing will continue to rule the world but not necessarily true when you have innovation like this company is demonstrating! Thanks again for the fine video!
Boy did you hit it on the head . I worked in a failed machine shop that could not understand the differences when going from a manual machining process to a computer process . All the top people making all the decisions tried to run the new process like the old one . They purchased twenty new machines made by six different manufacturers. They also wanted the machinist on the machines to do all the programming, setup & maintenance . Running three shifts . It was a mess . Over twenty years time they downsized the shop to half and farmed out most of the work . We were a large defense contractor , so we were not running high volume jobs . The average job count was about three of mostly dense material . Also tooling was a big problem , they did not like to spend money on tooling because of high replacement cost. They also had no education program for the new tooling technology. The last ten years there were very frustrating time . I retired and did all I could to forget about that job. 🥳🥳🥳
John, I've been watching your videos for almost a decade. There's an underlying message in this one that is pivotal to the future of human involvement in repetition. KAM is closing the loop on automated additive/subtractive. The discussions between KAM's workflow groups might be even further streamlined through ChatGPT. This hybrid AI workflow is likely to redefine everything humans do in the next few yrs, radically altering how we organize/prioritize human effort. I loved this deep dive, and I'm looking forward to seeing how you examine what happens as we (humans) migrate into a more retired role in day to day life, spending time contemplating/solving the big challenges instead of doing the repetitive stuff... capitalizing on automation from the beginning of all workflows.
Powdered metal laser printing is definitely where major manufacturing is going towards for most metal parts. It allows parts to be as good as they can ever be without any real limitations. If you can design it, then it can be built. What AI has done so far in additive manufacturing is incredible, and it is only getting better.
Best tour vid yet - super insightful Q&A session with Jim O. Please keep up the metal additive content. Tell us more about heat treating of printed parts. Sweet A-team Gimmy van.
I noticed a lot of (expected) blurred out portions of the video. Could you do a short behind the scenes about what it takes to get permission to bring a camera into a shop like this, and what kinds of post-production steps get added due to customer confidentiality and IP issues?
@@mikegriffith3420 It is probably a combination of ITAR and customer confidential. Oh, did you notice the American flag sticker on John's visitor badge? I have a feeling they make some very "interesting" parts in that shop.
@Jeffrey T I don't do anything with these but I measure CT scan data from other people's 3d printed items. I can tell ya the amount of labor saved from welding and the crazy small flow areas that can be made from 3d printing is amazing.
what a truly amazing tour I really dont enjoy the negative comments so many people post I am just amazed at the quality and positive attitudes of the people in these facilities and I truly believe that this type of manufacturing can bring work back to countries all over the world. l
Another awesome tour, and one can only imagine what future manufacturing will look like. I believe we will head further down the route of frequency based manufacturing construction, thinking Star Trek 'replicator' type tech here, where the entire vibrational blueprint of something you want to build is imbued into a full powder bed, potentially even with multiple materials in the powder matrix, and then vibrationally transformed into a solid piece. Looking forward to the next machine shop tour, to see what's just around the corner!
Multi metal printing is already a thing . Mr Saunders looked at a piramid at some past imts or other similar event... It was part stainless , part steel and part something else i can't remember
You never would have guessed that Brad used to drive for Penske (who has a LONG time relationship with SnapOn and an obsession with cleanliness...) would you? Also, is John the same guy that used to have a Grizzly metal brake and mini-lathe in his apartment? What a journey, for both Brad and John!
I Like It! Your a good guy Keselowski. I come from Plastic Injection Molding and Mold Manufacturing. Your additive Powder mfg. process is much like the injection molding process, a lot of the same disciplines. I'm watching now and learning. Your (Tour Guide forgive me) is doing a great job, as are you, Brad.
I would say, great thanks to Keselowski Advanced Manufacturing, I did learn a lot in the last 100 minutes, and I'll gess the things they showed, only do scratch the surface of what is possible with this process. I hope for them that their investment of money and belief in the process will reward them in time, they did/do some hard work in developing strategies for a" very young" way a producing high-end parts. and thank you NYC CNC for showing the point to have a tour.
Great video, interesting shop. Surprised to see that they've been able to qualify parts for space flight. Aerospace has been looking at additive for 20+ years, but ability to maintain proper material properties has been an impediment. These relatively small parts are a great start. Not quite a 14 foot long wing spar yet. Glad to see them integrating additive and subtractive and including quality in the process.
What are the challenges of scalling the production numbers for additive manufacturing in the metal domain? What is the optimal throughput and how do we measure performance in this business?
3D printing with 718 INCONEL? holly shit! thats bad ass! i make fasteners out of all kinds of stainless & various tough alloys. 718 is some tough shit! Wasp alloy is prolly the toughest shit ive made parts from though.
Technology like this makes some of us think the aliens exist :D :D . This is beyond advanced and beyond meticulous . And this the stuff open to public , there must some more advanced stuff behind a thick curtain , somewhere in a lab..... I was very impressed by the the Major Tool USA tour , but this tops that , not because of the size or production volume , but the technologies involved , and the ultra analythical processes
This was one comprehensive interview! I am really interested in attention training AI to do visual detection of defects during printing to make the feedback loop near real time?
Just interested to know if you can answer, Matsurra and mazak are global big names, why customer chose one over the another , what are USP of them, and whats jhons words on them? Really appreciate if you answer, Thankyou
So when their customers get a hot-launch verification and sign off on "good to go as a validated vendor" or whatever, what are the subsequent metrological verification processes to actually ensure the integrity of the part/assembly at the actual "the grains have successfully been fused by the lAZeR"? You can NDE pumps at 2x their rated pressure or what have you, but will X-ray scanning actually show grain level ablative failure and shit like that? Also what scopes are you guys running for the pwoder sampling? Zeiss? Leica? Cool shop QC at every stage is a commonly looked, overrated, but really useful value-add
I would say it's an addition. The additive process we see here is able to create complex parts with internal channels and such not possible with traditional methods, or one had to make several components that no all can be integrated in 1 part. Typical use for lower quantities high tech parts for aviation, space and such.Traditional forging and casting will live side by side for a good while. As of today additive manufaturing is high cost, low nnumbers, but in future it might all be speeded up and prices down
Left over equipment from the truck team. Not a cheap operation to run by any means as at one time that 75k square foot shop was filled with support equipment for the trucks
Yes because even though the car has to be a set weight. By making it light everywhere it can be you get more control of where to put all the weight back again. Usually in the form of tungsten carbide blocks at that level of racing
@@vanguard6937 Same reason the rest of the world does maybe? Granted your unit of length is based on the meter since (have a guess matey). Seriously, it shows you are not an engineer nor a scientist, else you wouldn't have asked this begging question.
'Do and think as we do, become a part of us, or we will invade you' Humans knows how to start wars. A never ending story. They are doing fine with the units they use, do not let it give you sleepless nights. There are businesses in the US using SI, like medical and so on, but machining and industrial are fine with their inch and feet
Couldn’t some machine learning goodness be trained on the monitoring video of historical failures to warn if failure was likely, so you could stop production - to fail early?
2:30 - he's talking about Furniture Row Racing, which no longer exists. They won a championship with Martin Truex Jr in 2017. They are one of the only teams not based in NC. They were based out of Denver, CO. Owned by Barney Visser, who is co-owner of Furniture Row.
It's funny watching John really wanting to run around the shop like a kid looking at everything, but also having to hold a conversation.
:)
Passion!
I love how Jim started out sounding more like a rep, but gradually loosened up and you could really see how passionate he is about what their team does. Very cool stuff!
EASILY one of the most intriguing shop tours you have ever done John. Some really interesting and exciting stuff that I would love to implement at the shop and at the very least things to consider. This video definitely made me think outside the box, some very clever processes and applications used here.
Never thought I’d see someone put John on the mat when it comes to intense enthusiasm and unparalleled gift of gab in his chosen field of expertise. 🤣😳
Great video and a pretty impressive setup they have. Brad visited the lab that I was working in a few years ago. We had nearly 30 machines and we'd been sorting everything out. His team has taken it even further and really got the machining side integrated. Things that got skipped over were the hours spent vacuuming and sieving the used powder, the shakeout process and support removal which both require extreme violence. The build plates warp during the builds so every X amount of builds and recondition cycles the plates are so tapered upwards that the hold down and lift points are rendered useless. We came up with a simple way to extend the life of the plates via reconditioning machining (not just surfacing). We used 4" thick 1018 and 3" 718 plates but they still warped. We also were the first to use a Moly-b EDM wire machine. It's about 10x faster than brass wire. We could never get our need for fixtures sorted and COVID stunted the whole program. I think I also saw a HIP machine which is part of the post process. There's also heat treat, stress relief and aging. Involved. Then there's surface treatment. The surface finish is very rough and getting that smooth is a challenge in itself. You could do a second video on just what occurs between print and machining. P.S. the powders are very hazardous to your health between the size of the particles and metals like nickel. They're also reactive/combustible/explosive. Inconel is combustible when it's in the condensate stage (like a charcoal state for metal) that is briefly mentioned early on with the guys in the full suits. We used wet tank vacuums to mitigate dust but the aluminum reacts with the water and makes hydrogen and cement. Lastly, these are multi-million dollar machines and they require constant maintenance. Every build requires full cleaning. Every material change requires extensive disassembly and cleaning. Then routine maintenance and special maintenance. There's millions per year spent on that in a shop like that - including warranty work. For a time we had a factory supplied maintainer in house. Oh yeah and we had a one off EOS 450 that was an expanded envelope 400, sounds simple enough but not in that world. Things coming in the future when I left and might be already on the floor is blue light inspection during the builds so the build will self adjust to stay in tolerance also better support structures and floating parts so no need to cut from a plate and little to no supports.
Love when you do tour videos! I wish we can get more of this!
Thank you for another very interesting tour! Manufacturing technology is pushing us forward in so many different ways.I started with computer-aided Metrology in the early eighties and built a large Department within side of a major Aerospace company That specialized in product support for nearly 30 years. However there are always significant challenges when you're trying to demonstrate to those that don't understand the value of new technologies such as computer-aided Metrology or Additive Manufacturing . This kind of Advanced Manufacturing Technology is so useful but often discarded because it is felt that additive Manufacturing is costly and inefficient and subtractive Manufacturing will continue to rule the world but not necessarily true when you have innovation like this company is demonstrating!
Thanks again for the fine video!
Boy did you hit it on the head . I worked in a failed machine shop that could not understand the differences when going from a manual machining process to a computer process . All the top people making all the decisions tried to run the new process like the old one . They purchased twenty new machines made by six different manufacturers. They also wanted the machinist on the machines to do all the programming, setup & maintenance . Running three shifts . It was a mess . Over twenty years time they downsized the shop to half and farmed out most of the work . We were a large defense contractor , so we were not running high volume jobs . The average job count was about three of mostly dense material . Also tooling was a big problem , they did not like to spend money on tooling because of high replacement cost. They also had no education program for the new tooling technology. The last ten years there were very frustrating time . I retired and did all I could to forget about that job. 🥳🥳🥳
Mad props Brad,,,what a team you have,,this guy is next level.
Fascinating. That guy really knows his business.
John, I've been watching your videos for almost a decade. There's an underlying message in this one that is pivotal to the future of human involvement in repetition. KAM is closing the loop on automated additive/subtractive. The discussions between KAM's workflow groups might be even further streamlined through ChatGPT. This hybrid AI workflow is likely to redefine everything humans do in the next few yrs, radically altering how we organize/prioritize human effort. I loved this deep dive, and I'm looking forward to seeing how you examine what happens as we (humans) migrate into a more retired role in day to day life, spending time contemplating/solving the big challenges instead of doing the repetitive stuff... capitalizing on automation from the beginning of all workflows.
Wow! What a facility. Thanks for sharing.
This young man is brilliant and a leader in this field.
Over my head is an understatement, but this shows what intelligent personnel can do to bring technology to every day life. Thanks
Great shop tour and incorporating the additive manufacturing into the AS9100 is crazy
Very good machine workshop Clear structures, clean and orderly Very convincing boss He knows what he is doing and what he wants
Thanks John, one of the best video's that you have produced. Best of luck to KAM, a fantastic look at the future,
Powdered metal laser printing is definitely where major manufacturing is going towards for most metal parts. It allows parts to be as good as they can ever be without any real limitations. If you can design it, then it can be built. What AI has done so far in additive manufacturing is incredible, and it is only getting better.
Best tour vid yet - super insightful Q&A session with Jim O. Please keep up the metal additive content. Tell us more about heat treating of printed parts. Sweet A-team Gimmy van.
Yeah, i'm also interested in heat treatment of 3d printed parts.
I noticed a lot of (expected) blurred out portions of the video. Could you do a short behind the scenes about what it takes to get permission to bring a camera into a shop like this, and what kinds of post-production steps get added due to customer confidentiality and IP issues?
The blurred might be because of ITAR.
@@mikegriffith3420 It is probably a combination of ITAR and customer confidential. Oh, did you notice the American flag sticker on John's visitor badge? I have a feeling they make some very "interesting" parts in that shop.
@Jeffrey T I don't do anything with these but I measure CT scan data from other people's 3d printed items. I can tell ya the amount of labor saved from welding and the crazy small flow areas that can be made from 3d printing is amazing.
I'll be honest. I'm not/wasn't a fan of Brad on the track. But this is very good, and I respect and enjoy what he's doing here.
Yes this does get brad more respect from me also...
what a truly amazing tour I really dont enjoy the negative comments so many people post I am just amazed at the quality and positive attitudes of the people in these facilities
and I truly believe that this type of manufacturing can bring work back to countries all over the world.
l
Man this is an awesome ideal
I would love to be a part of this. So clean organized and awesome parts. Amazing
This is next level. Super cool. Thanks for sharing!
Nice! Thanks John.
Thanks for sharing this info with the community. Seeing those hybrid parts helps visualise new possibilities.
This is one impressive machine shop!!! So CLEAN!!
What a cool shop. Great example of what is "happening!"
Great tour! Big nascar fan! Have a much greater appreciation for Brad after seeing this🏁
Another awesome tour, and one can only imagine what future manufacturing will look like. I believe we will head further down the route of frequency based manufacturing construction, thinking Star Trek 'replicator' type tech here, where the entire vibrational blueprint of something you want to build is imbued into a full powder bed, potentially even with multiple materials in the powder matrix, and then vibrationally transformed into a solid piece. Looking forward to the next machine shop tour, to see what's just around the corner!
Multi metal printing is already a thing . Mr Saunders looked at a piramid at some past imts or other similar event... It was part stainless , part steel and part something else i can't remember
One of the best most informative videos you have done, thanks for sharing. Charles
Thanks, Charles!
Nice job James. KAM is very impressive.
You never would have guessed that Brad used to drive for Penske (who has a LONG time relationship with SnapOn and an obsession with cleanliness...) would you? Also, is John the same guy that used to have a Grizzly metal brake and mini-lathe in his apartment? What a journey, for both Brad and John!
Absolutely inspiring. Thanks to both of you.
I Like It! Your a good guy Keselowski. I come from Plastic Injection Molding and Mold Manufacturing. Your additive Powder mfg. process is much like the injection molding process, a lot of the same disciplines. I'm watching now and learning. Your (Tour Guide forgive me) is doing a great job, as are you, Brad.
Excellent video and tour!
Rumor has it that Bad Brad is working on manufacturing a tank for himself. Rich dude hobbies.
I would say, great thanks to Keselowski Advanced Manufacturing, I did learn a lot in the last 100 minutes, and I'll gess the things they showed, only do scratch the surface of what is possible with this process. I hope for them that their investment of money and belief in the process will reward them in time, they did/do some hard work in developing strategies for a" very young" way a producing high-end parts. and thank you NYC CNC for showing the point to have a tour.
Wow! Very, very impressive! Thank you for sharing!
These guys are next level
Truly advanced manufacturing
love it, ive been using the fusion in process part alignment to set part alignment in my trt160 and ive been loving it.
Great video John. This is a really cool shop.
This was amazing. Thanks for sharing with us otherwise i may never this this kind of stuff in my life.
Nice let's win this 500 ,I'm rooting for you
Great video, great facility.
so not my wheelhouse (I'm in IT), but loving these, being a technologist, technical by nature.
Insanely clean shop :O
Great video, interesting shop. Surprised to see that they've been able to qualify parts for space flight. Aerospace has been looking at additive for 20+ years, but ability to maintain proper material properties has been an impediment. These relatively small parts are a great start. Not quite a 14 foot long wing spar yet. Glad to see them integrating additive and subtractive and including quality in the process.
Thanks so much for sharing. I really enjoyed the video.
Excellent!
Would be funny if, every time when tour guy said: "Brad" , John would answer with "Who???".
This is mind blowing...on the other hand, if you have your systems down, you can make good money doing volume on cookie cutter parts...
What are the challenges of scalling the production numbers for additive manufacturing in the metal domain? What is the optimal throughput and how do we measure performance in this business?
Great tour! Tidy!
3D printing with 718 INCONEL? holly shit! thats bad ass!
i make fasteners out of all kinds of stainless & various tough alloys. 718 is some tough shit! Wasp alloy is prolly the toughest shit ive made parts from though.
Real good video Thanks
impressive!
Technology like this makes some of us think the aliens exist :D :D . This is beyond advanced and beyond meticulous . And this the stuff open to public , there must some more advanced stuff behind a thick curtain , somewhere in a lab.....
I was very impressed by the the Major Tool USA tour , but this tops that , not because of the size or production volume , but the technologies involved , and the ultra analythical processes
This was one comprehensive interview! I am really interested in attention training AI to do visual detection of defects during printing to make the feedback loop near real time?
Amazing info,,I also now know where the people that buy the big homes work..
Here we are in the future and still casually talking inches…
Great enterprise!
Bad ass shop...
Very interesting.
Geeze this guy is amazing at corporate sales jargon. It's obvious that he knows his shit, but damn boy, can he talk
I 3d printed a nut for my shop vac filter, so I can understand the problems they are dealing with.
I can't believe how much money they spend with Snap On. Very nice shop.
With all the cool stuff in this video, I have to ask about the snap on boxes. Are the monitor / keyboard stands custom or actual product ?
Just interested to know if you can answer, Matsurra and mazak are global big names, why customer chose one over the another , what are USP of them, and whats jhons words on them? Really appreciate if you answer, Thankyou
So when their customers get a hot-launch verification and sign off on "good to go as a validated vendor" or whatever, what are the subsequent metrological verification processes to actually ensure the integrity of the part/assembly at the actual "the grains have successfully been fused by the lAZeR"? You can NDE pumps at 2x their rated pressure or what have you, but will X-ray scanning actually show grain level ablative failure and shit like that? Also what scopes are you guys running for the pwoder sampling? Zeiss? Leica?
Cool shop QC at every stage is a commonly looked, overrated, but really useful value-add
Anyone know where I can get the bins like the thread gauges are in?
Talk about QA N QC .👍
curious to hear from recording it to releasing, whats your cycle, your client mentioned doing copper by Feb 2023, which is now...
The Christmas tree was a clue
Please forgive my ignorance but is the idea that additive can effectively carry out the forging process in manufacturing?
I would say it's an addition. The additive process we see here is able to create complex parts with internal channels and such not possible with traditional methods, or one had to make several components that no all can be integrated in 1 part. Typical use for lower quantities high tech parts for aviation, space and such.Traditional forging and casting will live side by side for a good while. As of today additive manufaturing is high cost, low nnumbers, but in future it might all be speeded up and prices down
What do you think the dollar investment in machines is ? $30 Million, $40 Million ?? Whats the monthly note on that ? WOW !!!
What do they manufacture with the sheetmetal bead roller and shrinker/stretcher?
parts for his hot rod?
Left over equipment from the truck team. Not a cheap operation to run by any means as at one time that 75k square foot shop was filled with support equipment for the trucks
They use other matsuura machines i wonder why didnt they go for matsuura own lumex 3d printers?
My guess is most was started by trying to save weight on racecar parts. Every oz counts.
Yes because even though the car has to be a set weight. By making it light everywhere it can be you get more control of where to put all the weight back again. Usually in the form of tungsten carbide blocks at that level of racing
$2 million worth of Snap On box's!
1:03:22 I've never seen something like that before. Still haven't...
In spite of all this cutting edge manufacturing, still no use of SI units?
Why use SI in the US?
@@vanguard6937 Same reason the rest of the world does maybe? Granted your unit of length is based on the meter since (have a guess matey).
Seriously, it shows you are not an engineer nor a scientist, else you wouldn't have asked this begging question.
'Do and think as we do, become a part of us, or we will invade you' Humans knows how to start wars. A never ending story. They are doing fine with the units they use, do not let it give you sleepless nights. There are businesses in the US using SI, like medical and so on, but machining and industrial are fine with their inch and feet
This guy literally ends every other sentence with “right”
now I feel so inadequate after seeing that shop. WOW
Wow
wow...
Brad is going to make far more money off this company than he ever has racing, he is no dummy.
His racing money paid for all of this.
@@thepoopsoup ya I figured that.
13:10 Why are they working in the dark? Can't be too efficient for the peoples eyes
Noticed it too, that seems quite stressful for the yes in the long run. Saving power? Hard to guess.
i like matsura
Couldn’t some machine learning goodness be trained on the monitoring video of historical failures to warn if failure was likely, so you could stop production - to fail early?
Why do people always say maturrl ???
Devils pacifier
Pacifier
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Nascar was much better before cnc machines so go figure
bla bla bla...... bla bla bla....I am very important bla bla bla
Just a toy tool shop for a rich man.
What an incredibly dismissive comment, you clearly have no vision or understanding of the business.
You clearly didn’t watch the video if you actually believe that.
Well we know that atleast one redneck watched this.
Had a racing problem and started making parts, how most will start
Got to spend it on something lol.
Good luck finding machinists!
2:30 - he's talking about Furniture Row Racing, which no longer exists. They won a championship with Martin Truex Jr in 2017. They are one of the only teams not based in NC. They were based out of Denver, CO. Owned by Barney Visser, who is co-owner of Furniture Row.
Pacifier