My opinion on balancing goes to ufs dustbelif/disbelif/red/insanity in general/fell sans/ are clearly unbalanced and ufs has one unbalanced witch is outer
@@Chillie8 I honestly have no idea where you’re coming from with the Chara team, I see the sans team win all the time. At least when you’re playing with/ against the top players I find it very possible to win as sans. You’re grossly over exaggerating this issue. I’m not saying UFS has no problems. I’m not going to make a case for the whole skins situation, though if I wanted to I could probably argue on skins doing something causing the game to be more luck based in general. More on this, ULC handled the determination soul horribly in its past and in recent iterations. Finally, ULC has a huge problem of not being new player friendly, even if you get to 100 wins once you get to public lobbies with ppl who have 8K wins or even just 1K you get absolutely cooked. This is because they have some stupid max upgrade sans that is so much more powerful than that noob can handle with their lower tier weapons and the like. UFS, however you can actually win with pacifist, being one of the best in the game, you can win with the stick weapon and a basic soul, and finally the hitboxes aren’t as jank as they are in ULC. Pretty much all the ULC players I see today are just loyal players. I could go on, but I’m seeing how long this message is. P.S. (I can agree that some UFS skins should be separate characters.)
They legit put a character in just to make fun of ULC, of course they did. Ulc is great. Ulc sans roasting UFS and UJD is all in good fun. And he barely even "makes fun of them." He just says UJD accepts people without aim and that ufs barely gets updates.
@Floofmaster5000 also they did it In a suttle way instead of in the games tips also the fact that they didn't ironically fit one of there insults of being all models and no gameplay
@@GreenSans-fx9qv Not even close to a good portrayal of IF sans, almost as bad as how crossbones was They also didn’t even get permission[*] from Dorked, and **I** (some random person) had to tell the people in the UFS server just do they could get CREDITED
i can answer how they ruined themselves because instead of being "undertale final showdown", the game we all waited for, had hopes for it, someone even said "this is the best svc game!" they just... became "undertale final gambledown"
Seriously when the game released I knew it wasn’t tested enough. There was too much things that disappointed me despite the chance I gave to the game. One of best thing they did was probably the hp/dodges scaling but even this didn’t fix the issue of being destroyed by 5 charas during sans rounds.
I don't think UFS doomed itself with low amount of content, it's mostly because of the quests forced on your throat and the win lock thing, the quests are kinda undoable because if the charas are more than 4 then you lose in a heart beat, like really 4 players with some of them having DT instantly makes you lose so you won't be able to complete the stupid quests that are forced so yeah... UFS really ruined itself with the release and the conpect of win caps.
Door: Ulc and all them other games may shit on us but look at who’s 2k players and who’s 300 To put it lightly it aged like milk left outside in the summer
So, here's what i think. Yeah, the game remuneration was kinda wacky and all over the place (skins mostly) But what frustated me (my opinion) the most was the gold farming. It's literally just a chore for something that isn't even that much greater than your current thing. That's why i really love how in ULC you unlock almost everything by having wins
well, they said it would be the best sans vs chara svc and they felt superior, it's karma and they deserve it, apart from that UJD has more players than them lol
You forgot something that ruined a bit ufs is the locked progress when low servers weren't existed I couldn't get a quest to unlock my progress so I gave up and now I finally did it
Skins are a great way to add cosmetic variety to your characters and entertainment to the game depending on how you do it, but UFS didn't cook with the skins, instead they burned the entire building down and took their game along with it.
this reminds me of Multiversus and how people was saying that Multiversus would be the super smash bros killer and in the end the game died the same thing happened with UFS and how people was saying that UFS would be the ULC killer and in the end the game died
short but sweet, i like it. As a one of the current devs of ufs or at least whats left of it i assure that we will try to make things better. Even tho some decisions that have been currently taken are not the best, me and the rest of the team will try our best to put out whatever content there is left to see if we can at least make it a bit less of a hassle to play and more enjoyable.
@@MuzluStuff You heard that most of the past devs, the current ones that we have are still willing and are still into the UT fandom. The Devs that were not interested were the ones that had already worked themselfs for 4 years. Even tho the game might be in an awful spot right now i wont be giving up, and i know many of the other devs and sub-devs dont want to let the game die.
@@tornadoufo3969 gl i guess but just saying that ulc will forever be the best svc game sorry. Ufs has too many flaws as told in the vid and more. For example the mobile experience isnt as good as ulc as you cant aim if your on mobile in ufs and most things work hardly on mobile. Expect for mobile issues we got issues such as the large win gaps and the game is being like a ujd but fancier (no stam, just dodges and cd) and if we ignored this is personal but i dont fricking get why the spamton quests exist and softlocks our wins. It just makes the game boring as doing a quest can take up a lot of time. Im not saying ufs is bad at all its a really good game with very good visuals and some good themes with great stuff but it got too many flaws and unconveniant things rn. And i dunno if they can get past ulc
@@MuzluStuff i really couldnt care less, i like ulc and i dont see the relationship between the 2 games just being "oh Replace ufs or Oh replace ulc" both games are good and shoul dbe allowed to co-exist
@@MuzluStuff also the spamton win locks were placed there mostly due to when the game released we feared how quickly people would just grind the game out from the day it came out, so it was like a countermeasure to assure people not quickgrinding the game
I play ULC a lot and when I found UFS I was excited to play, but I had no idea how to do anything since it’s really complicated and there’s a lot of different items in the lobby I barley can keep track of it.
I think the main problem with UFS is that they kept adding too much grind for too little content (especially on the chara side) Needing 150k G and 60 levels just to be ABLE to buy the asriel combo (which costs over 100k gold from what i remember) is insane
Well, im afraid to say its too late for ufs to come back, ralseiprotecter is releasing one more update with sudden changes as a character and supposedly just dropping the project. It is such a disappointment that they couldn’t even hold a game together for at least a year.
Truly the ulc killer (the game killed itself due to the massive hype and the dissapointment the game was on its release barely bringing any content to enjoy)
they're going to add upgrade and masteries also its not even that hard to get keys and also why would skins do anything this also confuses me because ujd barely has any upgrades and i dont see anyone complaining about that
Ulc did the skin system right Most of the skins with the common rarity are pure cosmetics But the skins do make a huge difference depending on its rarity Some could be a simple buff while others are whole new moveset Idk if the masteries should really count as legendary skins but that's besides the point While ufs Literally makes dustdust and Divine dustdust a ruins dust skin that is pure cosmetics That's just ridiculous It clearly shows they REALLY wanted to update fast and gain some extra players
@@ChristopherCendejas-ov5sw Sadly, UJD is objectively worse in every single way, except for how simple it is to understand, and how it doesn’t have gambling (unless you’re ink sans)
@@JustAThought1997 I think you should've said rng instead there, as your not really loosing anything in ujds rng stuff. The only time your actually gambling is in the singleplayer mode if you reroll the timeline. In UFS you either have to wait and win multiple rounds to open a COMMON box, also, UFS dedicated rng mode:
Bro its called skins for a reason only reason ulc skins actually do something is because the tab is skins/upgrade still tho their choice of skins is so bad like alot of these couldve been charecters
i hear a lot of people talkig about the gambling, what ruined the game for me honestly was how combo relient this game was. it was impossable when unless you knew like all the fucking combos and that just gets annoying after a while. after i quit,, i was GONNA come back when skins started really appearing, but when i found out skins did jack shit, i was like nah. the game has increadable models but thats really it. a lot of these skins need theyre own characters
wild how some peeps have been waiting 3 years for this game and it brings us to the buggy gambling mess of a game it is today, had crap ton of potential with the leaks n stuff game actually looked somewhat fun in release trailers, and turned out to not be as good as I expected it to be, I agree that the skins not giving any reward is really stupid as there is no purpose for even farming for skins... Recently they re-added the April fools event game and focused ALMOST like 80% of the updates for that now such as adding maps, adding new characters to gamble for despite them not doing anything (accept for Hakari who is a buggy mess despite the devs saying that they'd rework Him. Newsflash I believe He still works the same way He did in the past) Overall their communication is so bad, they don't listen to their community, they're getting bored of undertale devs are retiring from ufs
In my opinion, one of the major reasons why ufs REALLY fell down is the overhype. and its caused by the community , not the devs. the devs were just once proud of their game but then the community overhyped the game and the devs followed in.
@@theguythatsalwayswrong3965 the community did alot of the overhype in the game, the devs were just proud. but then the devs just followed in the community . and that started ufs demise.
"it's called undertale final SHOWdown , not undertale final GAMEPLAYdown . what did you expect ? a balanced game that we DONT have to clarify the fact that the 20000 wins character is arguably worse then the starter character in the TIPS ? " - a ufs dev probably i guess ok but ngl the fact that they KNOW that some characters are comparable to ones that are starters and put it as a tip is insane . . balance your game cuh like seriously
Ufs following the path of undertale dungeons, the undertale dungeons was peaceful and really good, well until instead of reworking/improving stuff/remaking stuff/adding new aus as content went straight to the worst path, what's the path? Ofcourse its memes and other useless trash with no effort put in, they could've done anything, what they did? FREDDY NUTZBEAR 999999999LV. Ufs going the same direction currently, and thats really terrifying.
I don't really play ufs cause its complete trash, but from what I've heard, the gamepass skins do in fact give slight buffs, like weak dustdust for ruins dust having better hitboxes and Harlem sans for crossbones having a larger map
ruins dustdust is a buff because he doesn't have a long-ass cutscene before the fight (meaning that chara team ult cooldowns are set to 0 instead of full as soon as the fight begins) and the map is a way smaller corridor instead of a circular arena, which makes his fire hazards way harder to circumvent when they block the path to him Harlem crossbones is just jank in general Flowey possession sans makes the entire map dark as hell and it doesn't light up until a few seconds after the match begins, so the sans can spam attacks while everyone is waiting for the lights to come on and they can't see them coming
UFS balancing was alot better before. back when the game released and everyone was trying it, when we only had pacifist sans at the moment.. it would be the most fair fighr ever, even with a sans against 3 pepole, i would be left with, like. 1-2 HP at the end. plus, UFS LOWERS YOUR HEALTH TO BALANCE IT EVEN MORE FOR STUFF LIKE PAFICIST, AND SWAP.. does ULC do that?
I'm seeing a lot of people trying to defend UFS in the comments, so Ima take a quote from UFS ITSELF that perfectly summarizes the game "UFSians when they realize that good models wont make up for their bad gameplay" its something like that. UFS' gameplay is stupidly mid, its not or very little skill based. -Press r to be invincible for 2-3 seconds and move a fair distance away -Some moves (Mainly tough gloves) Special being actually undodgeable up close without a blink or teleport. -Admins almost having 5 (half of the entire roster of UFS' characters) admin characters -Gambling. Must I say more? -Upgrade system practically making Classic sans, Pacifist, and Papyrus useless -The GRIND (I know its both UFS and ULC that are grindy, but c'mon, the 2nd new weapon combo you release jumps 3 resets in price.) -Progress locks. -Out of touch developers (Remember the Reset riot in the discord?) -Developers not even having a passion for Undertale anymore -Outertales Domain (Nothing else to say there) -Horrortale one shot combo (P2W NO WAY!?!11/) -Most skins doing legit nothing or very little Leave your counter-arguments in the replies, Ill respond to them tomorrow since its 12 am as I'm commenting this.
where did u get ‘ulc killer’ from? it was never meant to have that kind of title, even devs said tht, but your right abt the skins, and also i think instead of gambling for the skins u should have quests or smth cuz luck based stuff is frustrating (js my opinion), also i think the quests could also add more playability if they were to make each skin unique (in abilities) so it would be worth playing for. The balancing is pretty fine until it comes to frauds characters and science sans and horror sans with the 1 shot combo ☠️. this is all js my opinions on the game dont get mad at me☠️☠️☠️☠️
İ was a ulc fan from start so i didint like ufs because people were comparing with it i was one of the first people to plaqy ulc(my old accont had santa i think my friedns also played back then then i loved killer as character also 250 win was big back then then the game owenership was passed so my 3k+ was gone i still had reset now am around 2k so if it woldnt go i was probably around 5k and my all chars would almost be max my insanity was max disbleef is maxed rn to but it would be alot quicker horor is maxed like back then to but negative isnt fell doesnt have the same xp so no last phase pacifist would be max it isnt rn also many other chars i qm now to lazy to grindd everything back i dont have pc if i had pc i woıld play game for very long time)
TL;DW : April fools update sucked. the timing between updates sucks. the amount of content in the game does not correlate with the time it takes for them to update. alot of promises didnt happen alot of characters who were sup[posed to be cahracters got turned into skins etca etca.
I just feel like they hyped us too much for what was out already, they showed us a lot of characters and weapons wnd stuff and at the end whith the few updates we still habe some same classic and expected weapons, and the same characters Whithout any few cool characters or stuff i aggred whith some people in the comments some skins should have been characters because then a game keep updating but you keep seen the same cast of characters and low effort skin you are growing bored of it for a game that hyped us for years now
alright, so let's get started on this little adventure i have decided to put myself on. first of all the first 2/3rds of the video: literally just an opinion, the lack of skins doing anything does not impact how the game plays in any way and is in most cases better than having the skins actually do something, you're not forced to spend your money on skins and it's just a thing put into the game for late game players to sink time into like most games with skins, in the vast majority of games skins don't do anything as making them do so usually throws the balance completely out of wack. i don't really care for the first bit of the video although it confuses me that it is the thing you seemed to of started with. now for the ulc vs ufs in terms of balance, and this is the part i dislike and where the video falls apart. let's go over ulc's gameplay loop really quick, let's see. chara team you start off and rapidly unlock very viable and some of what could even be considered overpowered equipment, the chara characters are practically forgotten and all chara team progress is practically instant at win thresholds due to not needing exp to level anything up as the characters are essentially useless compared to the weapons which is a lame choice since the characters are the literal only thing you have to sink time into to make more powerful, but regardless of that. what would happen if you first joined the game, or joined on a new account, and played sans team? let's go over the starter characters, we have little sans, science sans, papyrus, pacifist, classic sans, and underswap papyrus. little sans is completely unplayable unless you abuse glitches to send the chara team to their spawn in the hall. you have to be fighting an alzeimers patient or 2 year old to do anything as it. science sans is the first character that you may be able to get an actual kill or 2 against early game equipment chara team if you play good enough. as it is the first character which has actual damage and defensive moves. as well as survivability, even then if you are fighting competent players using things like TOUGH GLOVE. (might of rebalanced it but pretty sure it's still atrocious due to the balancing practices of the devs and all the shadow updates.) you aren't going to get kills and in turn it's not gonna ever become a viable character in fair battle conditions. Then we have pacifist. same boat as little tale unless they made him deal like 30 dmg. you are not getting any kills as that thing if the people your fighting are competent even in the slightest. then we have papyrus, again even though i personally have gotten kills as papyrus and leveled him myself, in any fair conditions even accounting for everyone having around the same wins you are not getting kills in any sort of fair for both sides in terms of stats and skill conditions. and so far i haven't been talking about WINNING I'm talking about getting a single kill. now where were we? ah classic sans, the thing that should have been a hardmode rework instead of reworking one of the only interesting fun characters to play in the game. there's nothing wrong with classic, other than the fact it replaced a perfectly fine character instead of replacing hardmode, in the game where over half of it's characters are far too outdated they chose to waste their time on making classic sans a grappler that looks like it's out of a fighting game rather than an svc, woulda been fine for hardmode but it don't fit classic for crap, not like what it used to be. as for balance I'm not up to date with it due to my immeasurable disappointment with it, but from what i remembered when i played as it in a server filled with my friends around my skill level i absolutely leveled them any round i played as it despite not knowing the moveset. so imma just say it's a bit fricked, although i have been able to consistently beat it in publics although that is probably mostly because roblox players are complete trash at video games far more than the average enjoyer of games in my vast experience on this crappy platform. like, seriously who gave CLASSIC SANS, 2 MELLEES (ian probably tbh). now underswap papyrus, somewhat useable ig but with only phase 1 it completely collapses in a fair fight with the chara team sweeping it with 0 deaths consistantly as it is not designed to be usable without upgrades, which is one major problem of ulc: almost everything is complete dogwater until you get upgrades. then when you get upgrades most of the time it becomes unbearably overpowered. now that we're out of starter stuff we can talk about.... later game ulc.... yay.... ok so first off we have dull knife. dull knife. it's dull knife. you get it at 60 wins. it has 3 lives (for free) the strongest dps in the game, the highest stamina dmg in the game, the biggest hitboxes chara team sided in the game, the best debuffs in the game, the best self buffs in the game, the best healing in the game, the best support in the game, the most tankiness in the game, and the most consistent high mobility in the game. need i say more? you say it's 60% skill but a man that consistently loses with low tier fell and plays like dogwater can easily win against any non extremely powerful sans team characters, even then it probably could sweep just fine if every dull knife player i've seen hadn't just come out of the hospital after receiving a lobotomy. it is the most atrocious thing i have seen ballance wise in any svc, like this is comparable to JUDGEMENT DAY level ballance like holy crap, i call it ians favorite weapon for a reason, like first we had horror axe then this! and thats just dull knife! we have snow ring too! i have no idea how they somehow decided it was a good idea to uberbuff this thing? like it's heal is fairly spammable, heals for 15. has non-deteriorating overheal that stacks infinitely without any sort of expodential reduction in quantity given or reduction whatsoever. it obliderates stamina from hp and dodge characters alike, and it's a ranged weapon, and it has a 3 multihit melee, it's heal also has self healing of the same quantity (15) with the same properties, and it's debuffs it applies on every ranged move that are extremely detrimental are PERMANENT until they stack high enough to cause a DETRIMENTAL BURST EFFECT. it also gains tp just fine over time so it doesn't even have to approach the sans to be in the corner spamming heal prayer, or just ranging. now i won't go over any morechara team weapons like... horror axe. since you probably get the point by now. now for sans team. we have fell, where it's blaster and most of it's 2nd phase moveset is force dmg standalone by themselves as long as you aim them properly without any support from other attacks. unless you have some sort of evasive or defensive move on chara team or some absurd movement speed if aimed directlyn on your characters current position these AOE's are literally inescapable and do uncanny amounts of damage. then there's outer. all i'm gonna say is ever since they changed its triple blaster into the new model (which makes the beams bigger and the blasters fire faster) it is now a consistant source of force damage, and do i even need to speak of the rest of it's moveset. then we have last breath. and it's first upgrade. the one that gives you super spam force damage blasters. need i say anything else? then we have disbelief. yippee now every phase of disbelief is extremely viable alongside phase 3 being a free win that if you lose with it you are complete dogwater at videogames and should uninstall system 32 since they also made PHASE 4 really strong aswell! then we have outerdust. outerdust. need i say more? hardtale is probably one of the only good characters left, underswap papyrus rework is actually fairly nice. revenge is unusable until you have upgrade 2 in any fair situation, and at that point of the game your probably gonna always be facing a dull knife anyways. and even after you get that upgrade and even upgrade 3 if the opponent knows anything about the character your just doomed. (0 stamina regen in phase 2 with a moveset that relies entirely on your opponent approaching you, the worst stamina efficiency and regen in the game for both phases you run out way too fast, and the only way to keep your stamina at any reasonable level is to consistently land the counter, and even then you are gonna run out real fast. i leveled this thing manually in publics against people bellow my skill level and would only properly win if one teammate threw and gave me bar, of which you are never going to get nor maintain playing against competent players. we also have dustbelief. i don't need to say anything else there is far too much to say, and low tier fell. and we also have.. what else? neutral sans although i'm pretty sure that's apart of the content they just removed, and that's just about everything off the top of my head. i will make a follow up comment in the replies of this one detailing the balance and balance problems of ufs and maybe some of the things i like (or liked until they were changed by ian or someone) in ulc as i have grown tired as it is late at night and i have a life so i need to go to bed at a somewhat reasonable time, goodnight.
Holy fucking yapparoni,ULC'S starter characters are great if used correctly,little sans becomes a monster so does science and papyrus,now the rework for classic wzs NEEDED the character was ass and if you wanted to beat classic sans or atleast survive you'd need great fps and that's not fair is it,the classic rework was an experiment to see how far one dev could push himself and it's great hardmode sans actually deserves to be removed from the game since that shit was made by ADRIAN! The ulc team is slowly trying to rework thingz that need a rework and it requires patience as for the chara morphs they'rr being reworked uptading takes time and won't instantly com3 off you need to wait for the game to get better.
@@yeahnvmnvm1331 little sans BECOMES a monster with skins and a bunch of exp. my point still stands unless we get into a server with my friends and you get any exp playing upgrade 0 little against 3 competent people. classic wasn't ass before the rework it was just fine as it was, it was a defensive character and you probably don't know how to play those. the only problems were the jankiness of the box attacks but even then with their horrific hitboxes they can be no hit. your problem with it seems to be that you run on a low end device, which isn't at any fault of the character. as i said current classic rework is just fine if it were to be a hardmode rework. as i don't believe movement grappler burst attacker really fits normal sans in any pheasable way. you didn't seem to read my comment in it's entirety as i did say science is the first playable character. i levelled that thing from 0 exp myself, my point is when put against opponents of equal skill as science (max) you aren't going to win unless you become a god gambler and consistently get stamina regen pots. and if you have no upgrades in fair conditions skill wise? no exp. i levelled papyrus too from 0 exp to max and yes i still believe it sucks and in fair conditions skill wise you wouldn't get any exp. i get that they need time to work on the chara morphs but it feels mostly like they are being ignored in the development of the game. also don't insult people while trying to argue with them, not saying i care but as a word of advice it is not going to make the person you're talking to listen to you and might invoke some bias from the other party when they are responding to you, if your goal is to convince someone that they are wrong try and refrain from provoking them, lest you are intending to provoke them, in which your point becomes suspicious, as it points to you having some sort of significant bias in the conversation. also if you wish to continue this argument i have no care for the slow boring crawl that is youtube comments arguments, it's like sending angry emails back and forth. if you wish to converse further with me on this topic, please send your discord username so we may do this at a significantly faster pace.
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy well my bad for the insults it was dumb,anyways the characters in ULC can become gods like i've said sure science can be rng based but at the end of the day if you know how to use him properly you'ill never lose,kind of like with papyrus which is the sole reason how a guy was able to get 180k~ exp with it,even if a character may not look strong if you learn how to use it you'll never lose (ss chara,hardtale,wfd,ext ext) little sans isn't thzt busted it's only broken if you somehow managed to get the hyper dust skin,even if it's still easiny beatable with the new weapon reworks.
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy the problem with box attacks is this: -you have a stable 60 fps -he uses the box attack -you have a lag spike -your soul becomes as slow as a snail despite you having 60 frames,and classic was outdated as hell i had managed to go on 20 win streaks with him by simply camping evey chance i got the way you played the character was EXTREMLY boring it's like dustswap but worse the rework for it is deserved,but it shouldn't havr been THIS uptade,it's supposed to be the papyrus uptade so reworking an even MORE outdated character like TS swap would've been better but i see problems arising from that since ts is Wip Hell uptading a character like dustswap would've been better,or even just focusing on the singleplayer rework which is something we've been waiting for a year or so,again i apologize for me being rude.
look, im all in for reading argumentative essasies... but... this is alot of yapping... this just seems more of a angry soyjak baby crying than a actual arguement
The better models are ofc UFS but ULC atleast changes movesets and stuff. The best game is UFS but they are lazy as hell and dont do constant updates.. the gameplay is better, the hitbox are mostly accurate, the combos arent broken, the souls are balanced, the gameplay is FUN, the mechanics are way better, the music is fire and fits the gameplay which is more arcade, etc. And the balance is not true tho. Sans team has alot of chances to win. ULC balance SUUUUUCKS. Sucks alot.
1:09 WRONG! The gambling is optional and not that bad. plus even if you can buy crates ,u can still get them without buying and they dont take 4 years 2:07 WRONG! ive played agaisnt very skilled chara's and won by being very skilled. ufs is SKILL based. 2:13 i used pacifist sans and at the 3rd round of me using him i got skilled enough to win consistently. so wrong. 2:21 that is so wrong its painful. here is how. in ulc, some charecters are actually stupidly broken. and the bad game design makes some stuff impossible to beat. for example. maxed red, bonewalker, littlehyper, outerlittlehyper, outertale sans having a oneshot move bassicly, and more battlebox attacks are impossible to beat. the attacks move way too fast if your computer is any semblance of GOOD and lowtierlittlefell has the LONGEST ONE. but even all the other ones are BROKEN. ok but what about chara team? chaos sabers can get to the sans bassicly instantly real knife + dt is braindead rushing but it works and the chara can get a stupid amount of revives. stick is useless agaisnt hp charecters, which btw, U GET IN LOW WINS- toy knife is sweaty as fuck and really annoying to deal with. burnt pan rework at release had 3 seconds of broken invincibility. its hard to tell the ulc devs care about the game anymore. 2:24 i already disproved that 2:31 WRONG! in ufs, the balance is way better then any other svc game, because evrey charecter requires skill, in ulc i can name many charecters off the top of my head that dosent require ANY skill. even the most "broken charecte" in ufs, requires SKILL. and i can prove it, u cant spam and win as ruins dust. u cant spam and win as horror sans in ufs u can spam and win as red in ulc, u can spam and win as outerlittlehyperdust in ulc. 2:32 it entirely depends. is there a sweat on sans team? then that one sans will win evrey time. is there a sweat on chara team? then sans'es wont win most of the time, but its an 80% chance to lose, not the 99.99% chance to lose like u said. is there a sweat on both teams? then its 50% chance. so yeah way better then ulc's 100% chance if you use pacifist sans. in a public server 2:37 wrong again. ive beaten many sans'es with 1 other chara or alone, because the sans has barely any dodges or hp with only 1-3 chara's there 2:42 then u havent played ufs past 200 wins. 2:46 already explained how its wrong. 2:49 its not the skins update fault due to them being optional 3:03 yes but not for the reasons u stated. there video mostly countered. (for the comments out there, im not countering any more. since most of what they say is blatant lies, with only 1 correct thing, or none. and even the creator of this video said "hes cooked" so yeah. no im not gonna waste anymore time countering people's comment's with misinformation, and blatant lies. well thats all i have to say, uhhhh bye)
nice dickriding buddy, sorry but ufs has many flaws still and you cant just make all these excuses to completely say the game is the best game out there when's it's not.
Why bro defending a dead game? And comparing it to a... well. (Not so dead game but still not that active) game. Like chill man 💀 bro wrote a whole damn essay on how ufs (a DEAD and BORING game) is peak. Ulc solos (and ulc devs unlike ufs devs. Actually care for their game. Half the shit you stated is a skill issue. Like the weapons. Just get good with a character and suddenly these "broken" and "sweaty" weapons. become... mid. Can't believe you said toy knife is sweaty.
Bruh, all of the characters in ufs is op as hell, everything you're saying is wrong. What you mentioned is characters that people do not even use because they don't have it. It's not like a server is filled with red users and stuff. Also, ulc is completely skill based and also not skill based making it beginner friendly. Can't win as ruins dust? Use skill. I just killed Chara team twice as ruins dust because I had skill (Just for fun, I had max dust). And sadtale sans, one of the worst characters. I killed the entire Chara team except for one Chara with it. And I had no upgrades. Everything you said is wrong. Skin being optional? Doesn't matter, it took them 5 months for 50 models?? Not to mention how all 10 characters are stupidly overpowered and can destroy Chara team without skill. UFS is not skill based unless you're chara. Also you're mentioning characters from ulc that nearly no one has access to. Outer sans does NOT have a one shot move. Bone walker is one of the hardest upgrades to get lil bro, of course it's gonna be op. But if you're not skilled you're losing. Little hyper? That shit costs 10k exp dude. Outerlittlehyper?? No way bro, that thing is so hard to get the devs made it a challenge that whoever gets it first can make a suggestion for anything like more weapons, more characters, more skins. Also, they can choose the stuff they want added. So no. Stop capping. Tell me atleast one guy that has used outer little hyper, tell me
This blew up jesus
And my other video did so im making a dust vid
My opinion on balancing goes to ufs dustbelif/disbelif/red/insanity in general/fell sans/ are clearly unbalanced and ufs has one unbalanced witch is outer
@@Chillie8 I honestly have no idea where you’re coming from with the Chara team, I see the sans team win all the time. At least when you’re playing with/ against the top players I find it very possible to win as sans. You’re grossly over exaggerating this issue. I’m not saying UFS has no problems. I’m not going to make a case for the whole skins situation, though if I wanted to I could probably argue on skins doing something causing the game to be more luck based in general. More on this, ULC handled the determination soul horribly in its past and in recent iterations. Finally, ULC has a huge problem of not being new player friendly, even if you get to 100 wins once you get to public lobbies with ppl who have 8K wins or even just 1K you get absolutely cooked. This is because they have some stupid max upgrade sans that is so much more powerful than that noob can handle with their lower tier weapons and the like. UFS, however you can actually win with pacifist, being one of the best in the game, you can win with the stick weapon and a basic soul, and finally the hitboxes aren’t as jank as they are in ULC. Pretty much all the ULC players I see today are just loyal players. I could go on, but I’m seeing how long this message is.
P.S. (I can agree that some UFS skins should be separate characters.)
@@Chillie8thos blew up bc dev are not interest in undertale anymore so they doing some final update
The game was killed because devs are incompetent as heck. Imagine locking the only content of the update behind the gambling wall
as a former sub dev, i approve and agree on this. 👍
People who called ufs «ulc killer» are real quiet now
Yes
@@AnAveragePersonOnTheInternet Ufs was the ufs killer
@@enriqueedru8998 LOL
ufs was a missed kamikaze plane
@@davidmoris5446 they missed the first and the second tower
They really overhyped themselves while putting other games down. They deserve 100% of this
They legit put a character in just to make fun of ULC, of course they did. Ulc is great.
Ulc sans roasting UFS and UJD is all in good fun. And he barely even "makes fun of them." He just says UJD accepts people without aim and that ufs barely gets updates.
@Floofmaster5000 also they did it In a suttle way instead of in the games tips also the fact that they didn't ironically fit one of there insults of being all models and no gameplay
@@dakotacornish6616 lol
'Yea, uh, we added nothing but gambling for the last 3 updates... WHY ARENT OUR GAME IS POPULAR AS SOLS RNG😭😭'
Erm actually, they added inverted fate sans as wip character🤓
Because there was an actual game before
@@GreenSans-fx9qvmid😊
@@atomic5989 fourth move is pretty fun tho
@@GreenSans-fx9qv
Not even close to a good portrayal of IF sans, almost as bad as how crossbones was
They also didn’t even get permission[*] from Dorked, and **I** (some random person) had to tell the people in the UFS server just do they could get CREDITED
i can answer how they ruined themselves
because instead of being "undertale final showdown", the game we all waited for, had hopes for it, someone even said "this is the best svc game!"
they just... became "undertale final gambledown"
Exactly. And they thought they were the thing that would kill ULC
@@urtooslow4415 i still remember all the shorts edits.
So embarrassing.
@@felipovisk972those were jokes 💔
@@inqyr4707 still embarassing
@@felipovisk972 how
Seriously when the game released I knew it wasn’t tested enough. There was too much things that disappointed me despite the chance I gave to the game. One of best thing they did was probably the hp/dodges scaling but even this didn’t fix the issue of being destroyed by 5 charas during sans rounds.
The skin complaint is reasonable, some skins couldve been characters, like murder and possession sans and promised.
It was planned that the skins would turn into characters in the future
Tbh i disagree with promised
@@fireakahatred1396 no he could've been a pacifist skin but instead of puns you have a gaster blaster.
we dont talk about promised. (ahem, groomer creator.)
@@Sashacoolguy_Games I'm bored of characters getting taken away because the creator of those characters is a groomer.
I don't think UFS doomed itself with low amount of content, it's mostly because of the quests forced on your throat and the win lock thing, the quests are kinda undoable because if the charas are more than 4 then you lose in a heart beat, like really 4 players with some of them having DT instantly makes you lose so you won't be able to complete the stupid quests that are forced so yeah... UFS really ruined itself with the release and the conpect of win caps.
Gashten, a ulc tester once sayd: "And then ulc released the papyrus update, sealling ufs into the irrelevance"
Door: Ulc and all them other games may shit on us but look at who’s 2k players and who’s 300
To put it lightly it aged like milk left outside in the summer
door left too
So, here's what i think.
Yeah, the game remuneration was kinda wacky and all over the place (skins mostly) But what frustated me (my opinion) the most was the gold farming. It's literally just a chore for something that isn't even that much greater than your current thing. That's why i really love how in ULC you unlock almost everything by having wins
ULC is the Kendrick Lamar of svcs I swear they waited for a ufs update to put out sins of the past and immediately overshadow it and kill it
Wait… ur right
well, they said it would be the best sans vs chara svc and they felt superior, it's karma and they deserve it, apart from that UJD has more players than them lol
As a UFS musician I'll say the game is reworking rn. Thanks to Autumn tho, he's the guy who wants to save UFS
Im gonna make a vid on how they r changing the game for the better cause im not that much of a hater for the game
UFS is kinda gonna get cancelled after a few updates.
it did tho. (Well, kindaaa)
@@ncisk5939 the project will die out because the main person literally feels like the passion is gone.
Multiversus reference
@@SansINess53 yeah ik
@@SansINess53I want a whole video of the ufs history If that happen
Undertale Final Shitdown:
*Shutdown
It call 'final' for a reason,
@@BallsLover90 my man, ulc shutdowns far more often for the smallest of changes at the vote of the community consistently being to do so.
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy wait fr?
@@BallsLover90
Usually one every 1-2 days for balance changes or bug fixes
The ulc killer guys!
Also funk progress lock
You forgot something that ruined a bit ufs is the locked progress when low servers weren't existed I couldn't get a quest to unlock my progress so I gave up and now I finally did it
Skins are a great way to add cosmetic variety to your characters and entertainment to the game depending on how you do it, but UFS didn't cook with the skins, instead they burned the entire building down and took their game along with it.
They cooked the skins perfectly but left everything else raw
this reminds me of Multiversus and how people was saying that Multiversus would be the super smash bros killer and in the end the game died the same thing happened with UFS and how people was saying that UFS would be the ULC killer and in the end the game died
short but sweet, i like it. As a one of the current devs of ufs or at least whats left of it i assure that we will try to make things better. Even tho some decisions that have been currently taken are not the best, me and the rest of the team will try our best to put out whatever content there is left to see if we can at least make it a bit less of a hassle to play and more enjoyable.
The game is already ded tho. And your main owner quit and as i heard most of the devs aint interested in undertale anymore.
@@MuzluStuff You heard that most of the past devs, the current ones that we have are still willing and are still into the UT fandom. The Devs that were not interested were the ones that had already worked themselfs for 4 years. Even tho the game might be in an awful spot right now i wont be giving up, and i know many of the other devs and sub-devs dont want to let the game die.
@@tornadoufo3969 gl i guess but just saying that ulc will forever be the best svc game sorry. Ufs has too many flaws as told in the vid and more. For example the mobile experience isnt as good as ulc as you cant aim if your on mobile in ufs and most things work hardly on mobile. Expect for mobile issues we got issues such as the large win gaps and the game is being like a ujd but fancier (no stam, just dodges and cd) and if we ignored this is personal but i dont fricking get why the spamton quests exist and softlocks our wins. It just makes the game boring as doing a quest can take up a lot of time. Im not saying ufs is bad at all its a really good game with very good visuals and some good themes with great stuff but it got too many flaws and unconveniant things rn. And i dunno if they can get past ulc
@@MuzluStuff i really couldnt care less, i like ulc and i dont see the relationship between the 2 games just being "oh Replace ufs or Oh replace ulc" both games are good and shoul dbe allowed to co-exist
@@MuzluStuff also the spamton win locks were placed there mostly due to when the game released we feared how quickly people would just grind the game out from the day it came out, so it was like a countermeasure to assure people not quickgrinding the game
60 weapon 40 skill sounds correct for both honesty in ufs tho it’s probably 99 percent weapon
chara team on ufs winning almost every time is crazy
@@ChristopherCendejas-ov5sw real
dull knife
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy what that supposed to mean
@@ChristopherCendejas-ov5swit’s pretty 50-50 most of the time wdym
UFS has amazing graphics but like you said, they did some bad desicions with some things like skins and balance
I play ULC a lot and when I found UFS I was excited to play, but I had no idea how to do anything since it’s really complicated and there’s a lot of different items in the lobby I barley can keep track of it.
There was a whole tutorial bro
Maybe your brain just can’t comprehend simple things
The gameplay wasn't even that complicated
Attack
Special attack
Sprint
Dodge
These are the 4 major controls
Undertale final shutdown didn’t even kill judgement day it has more concurrent players than it 😭
Not having upgrades, unique abilities for skins, and gambling basically ruined the game
The skins have so much potential
I don’t know why it failed I was so excited for the game and I really liked it thought it would stay popular for longer
Bro, sometimes even Undertale Judgment Simulator has more players than Ufs
I think the main problem with UFS is that they kept adding too much grind for too little content (especially on the chara side)
Needing 150k G and 60 levels just to be ABLE to buy the asriel combo (which costs over 100k gold from what i remember) is insane
Well, im afraid to say its too late for ufs to come back, ralseiprotecter is releasing one more update with sudden changes as a character and supposedly just dropping the project. It is such a disappointment that they couldn’t even hold a game together for at least a year.
Starter:GUYS I JUST GOT A MYTHICAL SKIN I AM OP NOW
Other ppl:… it does nothing
Starter:BACK TO ULC!
Undertale final showdown really took the "final" too seriously.
literally, They said they will release one last update and abandon the game
Actually guess what Murder sans in ufs has 4 dodges instead of 8 wow that’s just great… why did they do that
Truly the ulc killer (the game killed itself due to the massive hype and the dissapointment the game was on its release barely bringing any content to enjoy)
they're going to add upgrade and masteries also its not even that hard to get keys and also why would skins do anything this also confuses me because ujd barely has any upgrades and i dont see anyone complaining about that
Ulc did the skin system right
Most of the skins with the common rarity are pure cosmetics
But the skins do make a huge difference depending on its rarity
Some could be a simple buff while others are whole new moveset
Idk if the masteries should really count as legendary skins but that's besides the point
While ufs
Literally makes dustdust and Divine dustdust a ruins dust skin that is pure cosmetics
That's just ridiculous
It clearly shows they REALLY wanted to update fast and gain some extra players
UFS players when they see that a fucking shitty game named UJD have more content to offer than their game: 😮
even though ujd is almost dead it's still better than ufs
@@ChristopherCendejas-ov5swhow
@@ChristopherCendejas-ov5sw
Sadly, UJD is objectively worse in every single way, except for how simple it is to understand, and how it doesn’t have gambling (unless you’re ink sans)
@@JustAThought1997 I think you should've said rng instead there, as your not really loosing anything in ujds rng stuff. The only time your actually gambling is in the singleplayer mode if you reroll the timeline. In UFS you either have to wait and win multiple rounds to open a COMMON box, also, UFS dedicated rng mode:
Bro its called skins for a reason only reason ulc skins actually do something is because the tab is skins/upgrade still tho their choice of skins is so bad like alot of these couldve been charecters
i hear a lot of people talkig about the gambling, what ruined the game for me honestly was how combo relient this game was. it was impossable when unless you knew like all the fucking combos and that just gets annoying after a while.
after i quit,, i was GONNA come back when skins started really appearing, but when i found out skins did jack shit, i was like nah. the game has increadable models but thats really it. a lot of these skins need theyre own characters
Not to mention on top of all of this the game apparently got discontinued (fr this time)
wild how some peeps have been waiting 3 years for this game and it brings us to the buggy gambling mess of a game it is today, had crap ton of potential with the leaks n stuff game actually looked somewhat fun in release trailers, and turned out to not be as good as I expected it to be, I agree that the skins not giving any reward is really stupid as there is no purpose for even farming for skins... Recently they re-added the April fools event game and focused ALMOST like 80% of the updates for that now such as adding maps, adding new characters to gamble for despite them not doing anything (accept for Hakari who is a buggy mess despite the devs saying that they'd rework Him. Newsflash I believe He still works the same way He did in the past)
Overall
their communication is so bad, they don't listen to their community, they're getting bored of undertale devs are retiring from ufs
i think sans in ufs wins every time when i use it
A lot of games do this. The more skins the worst the game becomes
In my opinion, one of the major reasons why ufs REALLY fell down is the overhype. and its caused by the community , not the devs. the devs were just once proud of their game but then the community overhyped the game and the devs followed in.
How is it comminuty? Devs were making this game for around 2 - 4 YEARS, of course it was hyped
@@theguythatsalwayswrong3965 the community did alot of the overhype in the game, the devs were just proud. but then the devs just followed in the community . and that started ufs demise.
man why is there never any good undertale games
“UJD Fans when they realise better graphics won’t fix their horrible balancing:”
-Devs who expected good graphics to fix their train wreck balancing.
i like how the ufs devs write this and then add Hakari to the game...
1:12 Yeah, no if you can play decently and complete quests you get so much money it’s a joke.
now somehow it got 400 active players as i send this message ;-;
my bad
1:33 wait...that machine is to get skins?
(i have been playing for months 💀)
Holy you have missed out jesus
"it's called undertale final SHOWdown , not undertale final GAMEPLAYdown . what did you expect ? a balanced game that we DONT have to clarify the fact that the 20000 wins character is arguably worse then the starter character in the TIPS ? " - a ufs dev probably i guess
ok but ngl the fact that they KNOW that some characters are comparable to ones that are starters and put it as a tip is insane . .
balance your game cuh like seriously
Ufs following the path of undertale dungeons, the undertale dungeons was peaceful and really good, well until instead of reworking/improving stuff/remaking stuff/adding new aus as content went straight to the worst path, what's the path? Ofcourse its memes and other useless trash with no effort put in, they could've done anything, what they did? FREDDY NUTZBEAR 999999999LV. Ufs going the same direction currently, and thats really terrifying.
I don't really play ufs cause its complete trash, but from what I've heard, the gamepass skins do in fact give slight buffs, like weak dustdust for ruins dust having better hitboxes and Harlem sans for crossbones having a larger map
better hitbox as a buff 💀
Who gave you this information💔
@@felipovisk972 ik
@@inqyr4707 i read a random yt comment
ruins dustdust is a buff because he doesn't have a long-ass cutscene before the fight (meaning that chara team ult cooldowns are set to 0 instead of full as soon as the fight begins) and the map is a way smaller corridor instead of a circular arena, which makes his fire hazards way harder to circumvent when they block the path to him
Harlem crossbones is just jank in general
Flowey possession sans makes the entire map dark as hell and it doesn't light up until a few seconds after the match begins, so the sans can spam attacks while everyone is waiting for the lights to come on and they can't see them coming
UFS balancing was alot better before.
back when the game released and everyone was trying it, when we only had pacifist sans at the moment..
it would be the most fair fighr ever, even with a sans against 3 pepole, i would be left with, like. 1-2 HP at the end.
plus, UFS LOWERS YOUR HEALTH TO BALANCE IT EVEN MORE FOR STUFF LIKE PAFICIST, AND SWAP..
does ULC do that?
all this time making a ass gambling mode could have been spent on the actual game 🤯
i knew ts was finna fail damn well before it launched lmao
Ufs isn’t balanced
Game so bad it returned to rng to get 3 digit player count
And people say this game was the best-
I'm seeing a lot of people trying to defend UFS in the comments, so Ima take a quote from UFS ITSELF that perfectly summarizes the game
"UFSians when they realize that good models wont make up for their bad gameplay" its something like that.
UFS' gameplay is stupidly mid, its not or very little skill based.
-Press r to be invincible for 2-3 seconds and move a fair distance away
-Some moves (Mainly tough gloves) Special being actually undodgeable up close without a blink or teleport.
-Admins almost having 5 (half of the entire roster of UFS' characters) admin characters
-Gambling. Must I say more?
-Upgrade system practically making Classic sans, Pacifist, and Papyrus useless
-The GRIND (I know its both UFS and ULC that are grindy, but c'mon, the 2nd new weapon combo you release jumps 3 resets in price.)
-Progress locks.
-Out of touch developers (Remember the Reset riot in the discord?)
-Developers not even having a passion for Undertale anymore
-Outertales Domain (Nothing else to say there)
-Horrortale one shot combo (P2W NO WAY!?!11/)
-Most skins doing legit nothing or very little
Leave your counter-arguments in the replies, Ill respond to them tomorrow since its 12 am as I'm commenting this.
ufs defenders cant win this one🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
where did u get ‘ulc killer’ from? it was never meant to have that kind of title, even devs said tht, but your right abt the skins, and also i think instead of gambling for the skins u should have quests or smth cuz luck based stuff is frustrating (js my opinion), also i think the quests could also add more playability if they were to make each skin unique (in abilities) so it would be worth playing for. The balancing is pretty fine until it comes to frauds characters and science sans and horror sans with the 1 shot combo ☠️. this is all js my opinions on the game dont get mad at me☠️☠️☠️☠️
Lmao they did,the devs were shitting on games like ULC and UJD nonstop even on streams,youtube shorts ext ext.
@@yeahnvmnvm1331 oh damn
İ was a ulc fan from start so i didint like ufs because people were comparing with it i was one of the first people to plaqy ulc(my old accont had santa i think my friedns also played back then then i loved killer as character also 250 win was big back then then the game owenership was passed so my 3k+ was gone i still had reset now am around 2k so if it woldnt go i was probably around 5k and my all chars would almost be max my insanity was max disbleef is maxed rn to but it would be alot quicker horor is maxed like back then to but negative isnt fell doesnt have the same xp so no last phase pacifist would be max it isnt rn also many other chars i qm now to lazy to grindd everything back i dont have pc if i had pc i woıld play game for very long time)
TL;DW : April fools update sucked. the timing between updates sucks. the amount of content in the game does not correlate with the time it takes for them to update. alot of promises didnt happen alot of characters who were sup[posed to be cahracters got turned into skins etca etca.
I just feel like they hyped us too much for what was out already, they showed us a lot of characters and weapons wnd stuff and at the end whith the few updates we still habe some same classic and expected weapons, and the same characters Whithout any few cool characters or stuff i aggred whith some people in the comments some skins should have been characters because then a game keep updating but you keep seen the same cast of characters and low effort skin you are growing bored of it for a game that hyped us for years now
ulc on top
In 1 word, GAMBLING + fucking mid as shit.
Once again, only good thing is the soundtrack, oh wait, one of the soundtrack creators quit too, so never fucking mind. The game's just ass.
Lewis Paul White Charles Walker Richard
How the fu do you have less subs then me
skill
and effort
Man you deserve more then 1k subs
Davis Joseph Brown John Thompson Eric
alright, so let's get started on this little adventure i have decided to put myself on.
first of all the first 2/3rds of the video:
literally just an opinion, the lack of skins doing anything does not impact how the game plays in any way and is in most cases better than having the skins actually do something, you're not forced to spend your money on skins and it's just a thing put into the game for late game players to sink time into like most games with skins, in the vast majority of games skins don't do anything as making them do so usually throws the balance completely out of wack.
i don't really care for the first bit of the video although it confuses me that it is the thing you seemed to of started with.
now for the ulc vs ufs in terms of balance, and this is the part i dislike and where the video falls apart.
let's go over ulc's gameplay loop really quick, let's see. chara team you start off and rapidly unlock very viable and some of what could even be considered overpowered equipment, the chara characters are practically forgotten and all chara team progress is practically instant at win thresholds due to not needing exp to level anything up as the characters are essentially useless compared to the weapons which is a lame choice since the characters are the literal only thing you have to sink time into to make more powerful, but regardless of that. what would happen if you first joined the game, or joined on a new account, and played sans team?
let's go over the starter characters, we have little sans, science sans, papyrus, pacifist, classic sans, and underswap papyrus. little sans is completely unplayable unless you abuse glitches to send the chara team to their spawn in the hall. you have to be fighting an alzeimers patient or 2 year old to do anything as it. science sans is the first character that you may be able to get an actual kill or 2 against early game equipment chara team if you play good enough. as it is the first character which has actual damage and defensive moves. as well as survivability, even then if you are fighting competent players using things like TOUGH GLOVE. (might of rebalanced it but pretty sure it's still atrocious due to the balancing practices of the devs and all the shadow updates.) you aren't going to get kills and in turn it's not gonna ever become a viable character in fair battle conditions. Then we have pacifist. same boat as little tale unless they made him deal like 30 dmg. you are not getting any kills as that thing if the people your fighting are competent even in the slightest. then we have papyrus, again even though i personally have gotten kills as papyrus and leveled him myself, in any fair conditions even accounting for everyone having around the same wins you are not getting kills in any sort of fair for both sides in terms of stats and skill conditions. and so far i haven't been talking about WINNING I'm talking about getting a single kill. now where were we? ah classic sans, the thing that should have been a hardmode rework instead of reworking one of the only interesting fun characters to play in the game. there's nothing wrong with classic, other than the fact it replaced a perfectly fine character instead of replacing hardmode, in the game where over half of it's characters are far too outdated they chose to waste their time on making classic sans a grappler that looks like it's out of a fighting game rather than an svc, woulda been fine for hardmode but it don't fit classic for crap, not like what it used to be. as for balance I'm not up to date with it due to my immeasurable disappointment with it, but from what i remembered when i played as it in a server filled with my friends around my skill level i absolutely leveled them any round i played as it despite not knowing the moveset. so imma just say it's a bit fricked, although i have been able to consistently beat it in publics although that is probably mostly because roblox players are complete trash at video games far more than the average enjoyer of games in my vast experience on this crappy platform. like, seriously who gave CLASSIC SANS, 2 MELLEES (ian probably tbh). now underswap papyrus, somewhat useable ig but with only phase 1 it completely collapses in a fair fight with the chara team sweeping it with 0 deaths consistantly as it is not designed to be usable without upgrades, which is one major problem of ulc: almost everything is complete dogwater until you get upgrades. then when you get upgrades most of the time it becomes unbearably overpowered. now that we're out of starter stuff we can talk about.... later game ulc.... yay....
ok so first off we have dull knife. dull knife. it's dull knife. you get it at 60 wins. it has 3 lives (for free) the strongest dps in the game, the highest stamina dmg in the game, the biggest hitboxes chara team sided in the game, the best debuffs in the game, the best self buffs in the game, the best healing in the game, the best support in the game, the most tankiness in the game, and the most consistent high mobility in the game. need i say more? you say it's 60% skill but a man that consistently loses with low tier fell and plays like dogwater can easily win against any non extremely powerful sans team characters, even then it probably could sweep just fine if every dull knife player i've seen hadn't just come out of the hospital after receiving a lobotomy. it is the most atrocious thing i have seen ballance wise in any svc, like this is comparable to JUDGEMENT DAY level ballance like holy crap, i call it ians favorite weapon for a reason, like first we had horror axe then this! and thats just dull knife! we have snow ring too! i have no idea how they somehow decided it was a good idea to uberbuff this thing? like it's heal is fairly spammable, heals for 15. has non-deteriorating overheal that stacks infinitely without any sort of expodential reduction in quantity given or reduction whatsoever. it obliderates stamina from hp and dodge characters alike, and it's a ranged weapon, and it has a 3 multihit melee, it's heal also has self healing of the same quantity (15) with the same properties, and it's debuffs it applies on every ranged move that are extremely detrimental are PERMANENT until they stack high enough to cause a DETRIMENTAL BURST EFFECT. it also gains tp just fine over time so it doesn't even have to approach the sans to be in the corner spamming heal prayer, or just ranging. now i won't go over any morechara team weapons like... horror axe. since you probably get the point by now. now for sans team. we have fell, where it's blaster and most of it's 2nd phase moveset is force dmg standalone by themselves as long as you aim them properly without any support from other attacks. unless you have some sort of evasive or defensive move on chara team or some absurd movement speed if aimed directlyn on your characters current position these AOE's are literally inescapable and do uncanny amounts of damage. then there's outer. all i'm gonna say is ever since they changed its triple blaster into the new model (which makes the beams bigger and the blasters fire faster) it is now a consistant source of force damage, and do i even need to speak of the rest of it's moveset. then we have last breath. and it's first upgrade. the one that gives you super spam force damage blasters. need i say anything else? then we have disbelief. yippee now every phase of disbelief is extremely viable alongside phase 3 being a free win that if you lose with it you are complete dogwater at videogames and should uninstall system 32 since they also made PHASE 4 really strong aswell! then we have outerdust. outerdust. need i say more? hardtale is probably one of the only good characters left, underswap papyrus rework is actually fairly nice. revenge is unusable until you have upgrade 2 in any fair situation, and at that point of the game your probably gonna always be facing a dull knife anyways. and even after you get that upgrade and even upgrade 3 if the opponent knows anything about the character your just doomed. (0 stamina regen in phase 2 with a moveset that relies entirely on your opponent approaching you, the worst stamina efficiency and regen in the game for both phases you run out way too fast, and the only way to keep your stamina at any reasonable level is to consistently land the counter, and even then you are gonna run out real fast. i leveled this thing manually in publics against people bellow my skill level and would only properly win if one teammate threw and gave me bar, of which you are never going to get nor maintain playing against competent players. we also have dustbelief. i don't need to say anything else there is far too much to say, and low tier fell. and we also have.. what else? neutral sans although i'm pretty sure that's apart of the content they just removed, and that's just about everything off the top of my head.
i will make a follow up comment in the replies of this one detailing the balance and balance problems of ufs and maybe some of the things i like (or liked until they were changed by ian or someone) in ulc as i have grown tired as it is late at night and i have a life so i need to go to bed at a somewhat reasonable time, goodnight.
Holy fucking yapparoni,ULC'S starter characters are great if used correctly,little sans becomes a monster so does science and papyrus,now the rework for classic wzs NEEDED the character was ass and if you wanted to beat classic sans or atleast survive you'd need great fps and that's not fair is it,the classic rework was an experiment to see how far one dev could push himself and it's great hardmode sans actually deserves to be removed from the game since that shit was made by ADRIAN! The ulc team is slowly trying to rework thingz that need a rework and it requires patience as for the chara morphs they'rr being reworked uptading takes time and won't instantly com3 off you need to wait for the game to get better.
@@yeahnvmnvm1331 little sans BECOMES a monster with skins and a bunch of exp. my point still stands unless we get into a server with my friends and you get any exp playing upgrade 0 little against 3 competent people. classic wasn't ass before the rework it was just fine as it was, it was a defensive character and you probably don't know how to play those. the only problems were the jankiness of the box attacks but even then with their horrific hitboxes they can be no hit. your problem with it seems to be that you run on a low end device, which isn't at any fault of the character. as i said current classic rework is just fine if it were to be a hardmode rework. as i don't believe movement grappler burst attacker really fits normal sans in any pheasable way. you didn't seem to read my comment in it's entirety as i did say science is the first playable character. i levelled that thing from 0 exp myself, my point is when put against opponents of equal skill as science (max) you aren't going to win unless you become a god gambler and consistently get stamina regen pots. and if you have no upgrades in fair conditions skill wise? no exp. i levelled papyrus too from 0 exp to max and yes i still believe it sucks and in fair conditions skill wise you wouldn't get any exp. i get that they need time to work on the chara morphs but it feels mostly like they are being ignored in the development of the game.
also don't insult people while trying to argue with them, not saying i care but as a word of advice it is not going to make the person you're talking to listen to you and might invoke some bias from the other party when they are responding to you, if your goal is to convince someone that they are wrong try and refrain from provoking them, lest you are intending to provoke them, in which your point becomes suspicious, as it points to you having some sort of significant bias in the conversation.
also if you wish to continue this argument i have no care for the slow boring crawl that is youtube comments arguments, it's like sending angry emails back and forth. if you wish to converse further with me on this topic, please send your discord username so we may do this at a significantly faster pace.
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy well my bad for the insults it was dumb,anyways the characters in ULC can become gods like i've said sure science can be rng based but at the end of the day if you know how to use him properly you'ill never lose,kind of like with papyrus which is the sole reason how a guy was able to get 180k~ exp with it,even if a character may not look strong if you learn how to use it you'll never lose (ss chara,hardtale,wfd,ext ext) little sans isn't thzt busted it's only broken if you somehow managed to get the hyper dust skin,even if it's still easiny beatable with the new weapon reworks.
@@HeyHelloHiGreetingsHiyaHowdy the problem with box attacks is this:
-you have a stable 60 fps
-he uses the box attack
-you have a lag spike
-your soul becomes as slow as a snail despite you having 60 frames,and classic was outdated as hell i had managed to go on 20 win streaks with him by simply camping evey chance i got the way you played the character was EXTREMLY boring it's like dustswap but worse the rework for it is deserved,but it shouldn't havr been THIS uptade,it's supposed to be the papyrus uptade so reworking an even MORE outdated character like TS swap would've been better but i see problems arising from that since ts is Wip
Hell uptading a character like dustswap would've been better,or even just focusing on the singleplayer rework which is something we've been waiting for a year or so,again i apologize for me being rude.
look, im all in for reading argumentative essasies... but... this is alot of yapping... this just seems more of a angry soyjak baby crying than a actual arguement
At all
And people be defending this game even though the music is way worse than ULC but this update is slightly better than the new ULC update
What does music have to do with anything
ULC music is actually enjoyable it also people will be actually saying UFsis better
Even though it’s more dead than Omegle
3 months for gambling vs 3 months for 3 whole character overhauls.. yeah seems about right-
4 character overhauls which 3 of them got phase overhauls which adds to 6 phases
The better models are ofc UFS but ULC atleast changes movesets and stuff.
The best game is UFS but they are lazy as hell and dont do constant updates.. the gameplay is better, the hitbox are mostly accurate, the combos arent broken, the souls are balanced, the gameplay is FUN, the mechanics are way better, the music is fire and fits the gameplay which is more arcade, etc.
And the balance is not true tho. Sans team has alot of chances to win. ULC balance SUUUUUCKS. Sucks alot.
One shot horror combo is crying in the corner after u said no broken combos
1:09
WRONG! The gambling is optional and not that bad.
plus even if you can buy crates ,u can still get them without buying and they dont take 4 years
2:07
WRONG! ive played agaisnt very skilled chara's and won
by being very skilled.
ufs is SKILL based.
2:13
i used pacifist sans and at the 3rd round of me using him i got skilled enough to win consistently. so wrong.
2:21
that is so wrong its painful.
here is how.
in ulc, some charecters are actually stupidly broken. and the bad game design makes some stuff impossible to beat.
for example.
maxed red, bonewalker, littlehyper, outerlittlehyper, outertale sans having a oneshot move bassicly, and more
battlebox attacks are impossible to beat.
the attacks move way too fast if your computer is any semblance of GOOD
and lowtierlittlefell
has the LONGEST ONE. but even all the other ones are BROKEN.
ok but what about chara team?
chaos sabers can get to the sans bassicly instantly
real knife + dt is braindead rushing but it works and the chara can get a stupid amount of revives.
stick is useless agaisnt hp charecters, which btw, U GET IN LOW WINS-
toy knife is sweaty as fuck and really annoying to deal with.
burnt pan rework at release had 3 seconds of broken invincibility.
its hard to tell the ulc devs care about the game anymore.
2:24
i already disproved that
2:31
WRONG!
in ufs, the balance is way better then any other svc game, because evrey charecter requires skill, in ulc i can name many charecters off the top of my head that dosent require ANY skill. even the most "broken charecte" in ufs, requires SKILL. and i can prove it,
u cant spam and win as ruins dust. u cant spam and win as horror sans in ufs
u can spam and win as red in ulc, u can spam and win as outerlittlehyperdust in ulc.
2:32
it entirely depends.
is there a sweat on sans team? then that one sans will win evrey time.
is there a sweat on chara team? then sans'es wont win most of the time, but its an 80% chance to lose, not the 99.99% chance to lose like u said.
is there a sweat on both teams? then its 50% chance.
so yeah
way better then ulc's 100% chance if you use pacifist sans. in a public server
2:37
wrong again.
ive beaten many sans'es with 1 other chara or alone, because the sans has barely any dodges or hp with only 1-3 chara's there
2:42
then u havent played ufs past 200 wins.
2:46
already explained how its wrong.
2:49
its not the skins update fault due to them being optional
3:03
yes but not for the reasons u stated.
there video mostly countered.
(for the comments out there, im not countering any more. since most of what they say is blatant lies, with only 1 correct thing, or none. and even the creator of this video said "hes cooked" so yeah. no im not gonna waste anymore time countering people's comment's with misinformation, and blatant lies. well thats all i have to say, uhhhh bye)
nice dickriding buddy, sorry but ufs has many flaws still and you cant just make all these excuses to completely say the game is the best game out there when's it's not.
I just got cooked
*looks at domain expansion outer with contempt*
Why bro defending a dead game? And comparing it to a... well. (Not so dead game but still not that active) game.
Like chill man 💀 bro wrote a whole damn essay on how ufs (a DEAD and BORING game) is peak.
Ulc solos (and ulc devs unlike ufs devs. Actually care for their game. Half the shit you stated is a skill issue. Like the weapons. Just get good with a character and suddenly these "broken" and "sweaty" weapons. become... mid.
Can't believe you said toy knife is sweaty.
Bruh, all of the characters in ufs is op as hell, everything you're saying is wrong.
What you mentioned is characters that people do not even use because they don't have it.
It's not like a server is filled with red users and stuff.
Also, ulc is completely skill based and also not skill based making it beginner friendly.
Can't win as ruins dust? Use skill.
I just killed Chara team twice as ruins dust because I had skill (Just for fun, I had max dust).
And sadtale sans, one of the worst characters.
I killed the entire Chara team except for one Chara with it.
And I had no upgrades.
Everything you said is wrong.
Skin being optional? Doesn't matter, it took them 5 months for 50 models??
Not to mention how all 10 characters are stupidly overpowered and can destroy Chara team without skill.
UFS is not skill based unless you're chara.
Also you're mentioning characters from ulc that nearly no one has access to.
Outer sans does NOT have a one shot move.
Bone walker is one of the hardest upgrades to get lil bro, of course it's gonna be op. But if you're not skilled you're losing.
Little hyper? That shit costs 10k exp dude.
Outerlittlehyper?? No way bro, that thing is so hard to get the devs made it a challenge that whoever gets it first can make a suggestion for anything like more weapons, more characters, more skins. Also, they can choose the stuff they want added.
So no. Stop capping.
Tell me atleast one guy that has used outer little hyper, tell me