Thanks for watching! Apologies to the people who thought this was a truck/train crash compilation, lol I forgot to mention the fact that trucks play a massive part in why roads are in awful shape in some places, and that a majority of road accidents are NOT caused by trucks, even if they do involve them. I just included 3 major incidents that involved trucks, i realized after that one of them was not the trucks fault. Also btw, please follow me on Instagram @ winnipeg_railfan !!! That is all, have a great day.
Yea I was just about 2 say more trucks= more taxes to fix the roads which also creates an illusion that u need more publicly funded public transportation. I think short line and regional railroads (1st mile last mile railroads) will do good under trump. More railroads needed like the sartigan rr, or the reading and northern if your in the usa.
@@ChristinaLarsen-dk1pe When the majority of Trucking units are concentrated in a few organizations, they find methods to avoid paying a lot of taxes. As the small firms dwindle as the number of shipments change, the ability to reduce cost by paying less to Drivers is a temptation. The fact that the US Rail Transportation system used to provide Mail services to most small towns in the Nation, as a Constitutional Mandate, the opportunities to ride a train to just about any location in the USA was possible. In 1967 the mail was removed from trains by Congressional actions. The Mail and the Rails suffered ever since. Oil Company Investors appeared to discover more profits as trucks burned up massive amounts of fuel to deliver the mail.
You should see one fly as the drivers attempt to shift a rusty set of movable axles under a trailer, and go a little too far. They can be deadly if anyone gets in the way.
I've always felt that the answer is always a balance of trucks trains will be the best answer to freight transportation. The unfortunate part is cost cutting is also just as rampant in the truck world as the railroad world. The barrier to entry to be a commercial driver has lowered significantly within the last 20 years, and lots of carriers (rail and road) will always cut corners to have the better shipping rate. Anways, cool to see some of my footage made the final cut, as well as my sneaky cameo (0:32) lol
Trucks making the delivery to small town elevators was a good form of employment for many grain production regions, it did not provide profits to Investors who had Rail Stock that they wanted to notice large profits from. The Oil Companies Investors were not pleased with their flow of profits either. The work of removing the Mail from the Trains appeared to come from the big Investment Funds that owned oil and rail stock. I apologize for invoking Politics and Economics in a discussion of whether Trucks or Trains were the most effective method of providing services to Citizens. But I watched the Railroads change from providing effective service to Small Towns, as the profits rose in the Bank Accounts of Investor Class Individuals. The shift from an agricultural region to a Profit producing business, does come with some definite downsides. The Wealthy got more wealthy, and Small Town Frams vanished, replaced by large Industrial Farming Operations. We lost the ability to understand where our food was coming from, as we allowed the Rich to earn enough money to buy the Government that regulated the services we once enjoyed. The Wealthy now name their Faithful Servants to appear on the Ballots we are handed at election time. The results seem pretty obvious? We seem to have returned to a small number of Individuals dictating Policy with the power their profits provide. The Oligarchy System is very similar to the Monarchy. At one time the Monarchy was described as Watery Tarts in Ponds distributing Swords. Now it appears to be the distribution of power through profits. Oligarchs do not like to ride around in Parades and wave at their loyal Subjects, but they appear to be similar? I was forced to sell out my trucking business 20 years ago, because I could not find competent Drivers. I do understand how the business works. I have also installed grates in Steam Locomotives, and I understand how that system works as well.
As a former OTR trucker, I think that all semis should go back to manual transmissions. I have seen "professional" drivers do some unthinkable things in a big rig. We need a better caliber of drivers. And most 4 wheelers are clueless around a semi. We need better drivers ed. But I agree, trucks and rail need to work together for their benefit.
Alan fisher is dumb and does not understand much bout railroading. He thinks all freight lines should have passenger trains, passeger is mostly unprofitable meaning tax payers pay for it. Another thing he thinks is they should put catenary electric lines on railroads which is a added maintenance expense. Battery electric and hydrogen locomotives prospects are performing pretty decently at this point. Maybe he doesn't know that the first diesel locomotive hit the market in 1912 and it wasn't till 1953 when they outnumbered steam locomotives.
Your perspective is a bit limited I think, mixed electrified passenger and freight is how Europe runs most of its rail system and their passenger rail system is competitive with airlines. Additionally the battery electric and hydrogen locomotives have much worse range compared to diesel locomotives and are an inferior way to electrify when simply putting up wires has been a proven solution for decades and doesn’t require the huge quantities of rare earth metals needed for battery electric locomotives.
As someone who has had family in both industries, they both have their place, in an ideal world, trains would do all the long-distance cargo, with trucks being regional and final delivery. The problem with this is they have prioritized profits over efficiency, so it will never work, what takes a long haul driver days takes a train weeks. If people only knew how bad the transportation sector is, people would be left wondering how it hasn't fallen apart yet. Don't worry, though it will in the next few years if things don't change.
*what takes a long haul driver days takes a train weeks* this is TRUE... i agree 100%... but the wait times have always been baked into using rail... SOMETIMES, a customers business model can be adjusted to accommodate rail and the slower times that come along with it... so yes, on the front end the customer absorbs the wait time... but on the back end, he has the potential to get MULTIPLE railcar loads of product in ONE TRIP... one railcar can hold FOUR truckloads... imagine a customer who can hold 5 railcars on his track... that's 20 truckloads of product in a single trip... so as long as the customer has enough product on hand to cover for the rails travel time, using rail is a potentially viable option
@@25mfd I agree to a point. That all sounds nice until you have a port strike or shutdown, like in 2020, then your customer is SOL and is left hiring trucks at a higher rate to fill the void. trains need to cover the distance trucks fill the short distance. truck drivers really don't like doing long haul anymore, everyone has their place.
@@thepoliticalhitman *That all sounds nice until you have a port strike or shutdown, like in 2020* ANY disruption in the supply chain would be bad for EVERYONE
@@thepoliticalhitman *but when you are already 3 weeks removed, you are now 2 months removed most can't survive that* i hear what you're saying... supply chain disruptions do happen... but supply chain disruptions of the magnitude that you speak of are not the NORM... port strikes don't happen every other week... lockdowns such as with covid don't happen every few days... a VERY large percentage of the time our supply chain works as it was intended to... now, a discussion on how to weather a supply chain disruption is a valid one... but my comment was made in the context ABSENT any supply chain issues
Back in 1978 I was taking a economics course and our prof said that if trucks where to pay the true cost of the up keep of roads long haul trucking would disappear .
Long-haul trucking shouldn't exist. Every town should have at least one rail connection, and then short-haul trucks can take the freight to its final destinations (if a branch line is not feasible). That same rail line could also provide passenger service, giving small town residents access to reliable nationwide mobility.
@@InventorZahran Putting your commuter and your freight rail on the same lines is how you end up with the heinous mess the USA has now where freight trains block passenger traffic all the fucking time. Just build more rails, dammit. It wouldn't be more expensive or more difficult than all the highways, but they'd kill far fewer people and be far more economically valuable.
Truck driver here. Statistically trucks are safer on the road than cars, or in other words, the vast majority of accidents involving trucks are not the fault of the truck driver. But just because the driver of the truck isn't at fault doesn't mean that the presence of the truck in the accident isn't increasing the risk of the accident being fatal.
1:26 & 1:38 - Ahh, a Western Star hauling wagons on rails, just like 2 decades when one (RTL1) was hauling log wagons on the Sale-Bairnsdale line, due to the line’s terrible condition back then. Also nice vid btw, hello from 🇦🇺
For the train at the end just actually a few days ago me and a buddy saw a high-balling CPKC coal trains that could be confused for a 2.q or so earthquake. Let's just say that the track was going up and down 10 cm or so
Trains are needed no matter what. Even if trucks are used a lot more for transporting goods, trains help a lot with transport as well to keep the economy stable. Nice video by the way. ❤️😎👍🏻
As a child, I liked both freight trains & 18 wheel semis. When we travel on freeways, I was excited to see a semi pass by us & got American Truck Simulator as my very 1st steam PC game since I was obsessed with highways. I liked freight trains a lot because of length & rolling stock variety, and then in 2023 I learned that trains are environmentally friendly mainly thorugh YT channels such as Alan Fisher & Adam Something or any other urbanist yt channel & I was biased, (They mostly bring up catenary overhead wires, trains from europe & asia, high speed rail & increased carrying capcity)
Great video, although I disagree with your assessment that trucks are better than trains at time-sensitive goods, at least to a degree, as there are MANY tricks that train companies could do to make themselves more attractive to time-sensitive goods clients: -Increase track and train speeds: In the US and Canada, the top speed of many mainline freight railroads is 60 mph. In Europe, however, some freight locos can reach 87 mph, with some US passenger loco designs based off of freight power. Even power designed for passenger service can haul freight just fine: E-units, ALCO PAs, and even Genesis series locos have all been seen hauling freight, even though they were never designed for it. (Yes, I know SDP40Fs and F40PHs have hauled freight, too, but they were based off freight power) Passenger trains can also carry some freight with them if needed, with some high-speed trainsets even being converted for cargo use! -Adding crew rest coaches: This is a trick Australia has done, and with trains, you could theoretically swap out crews on the go, whereas any attempt with a truck would be pretty much impossible. Anything crews would need could also be provided onboard the train. Sure, there are self-driving vehicles, but they're nowhere near completely refined enough to regularly handle cars, let alone semis. Oh, and I've never driven a semi-truck before, but I'm pretty sure they don't have toilets built into them, whereas trains have had them since the 1950s! -Making more trackage rights agreements: Trackage rights would allow train companies to use each others' right-of-way if they can't use their own routes for whatever reason. Even truck companies only handling the goods when the train company needs to do track work would be a better solution than our current system!
I really hate this car vs train debate, I feel to be one of the few people who support for the expansion (and deregulation) of both. It's refreshing to hear a (generally) balanced video that points out how a mix of both is the ideal and doesn't glorify one while demonize the other for the most part.
The Oil Company Investors thank Americans for the contributions to their profits since 1967. That was when the Mail was taken off the trains. The US Postal Service still struggles to provide Maul Service since then. Trucks consume more fuel for every ounce of goods they deliver. That is pretty clear to me after 50 years of involvement in Trucking. The effects of Policy being written to produce profits, are apparent.
It's worth noting that the truck and airline lobby are responsible for that, according to what the NHRS told me at railcamp thats why they stopped moving mail by train. There was no legitimate reasom for the switch.
@@dougbrowning82 Removing the Mail was the first part of promoting an effective method of forcing Small Farmers off the Ag Production Business landscape in the Grain Production regions of North America. The Post Offices were the next step in the process of industrializing the Agricultural industry. As the rail services that provided effective mail sorting and delivery to small towns dried up, the small Elevators went after the Post Offices closed down. I watched a lot of small town elevators close down across North Dakota, and in the Manitoba and Saskatchewan regions. I hauled a lot of rail from those Grain Production regions, and I worked for some Custom Cutters who assist in the industrial production efforts. Farming used to be what held the small towns together as a lot of small Farms produced food for the people of the areas they were living in. Creameries started to go as the big Feedlot style Dairies began to dominate the milk product production in North America. Without small Farmers to anchor the Rail lines to the delivery of Agriculture Products, the small towns began to go. Then the use of Local Collector routes began to dry up and the big Carriers began to spin off rail services to Short Lines, who never seem to quite afford a Tamper to come and help maintain the tracks. The effort to move rail services from providing services to shippers in the Agricultural regions of the North American Continent, to the business of providing profits to Investors who appeared to get rich. Since the 1960's the Rail Service sector has seen some drastic changes in how service is provided to the Population of the Planet, at least on this continent. As the Small Towns died after losing the Post Office, the Farmers left the area and the return of the Bonanza Farms of the late 19th Century returned. Population shift to the Cities stimulated Suburban living as the former Farmers Children moved to town to get a job. So here we are as the effort to make large Ag Operators use Trucks to deliver products farther to Unit Train Facilities, that produce profits with less crew and less miles of track to support. Even Foamers need to admit they are noticing less Brakemen on the Ground, connecting Brake Hoses. Profits delivered to Investors provide the incentive to the Railroads to discontinue Branch Line services, and the death of Trains that have less than 100 cars, that seem to be connected for life, went along as the effective delivery of mail was the first step. The US Postal Service continues to struggle to perform mail sorting services as effective as the Rail Postal Services. There go the classification Yards. John G Kneeling was predicting a conveyor style rail system in the 1960's. We did not like to hear his words then, anyone who liked to listen to an RS-3 tug on a string of Boxcars full of grain did not like to listen to Kneeling's words. But here we are.
@@dougbrowning82 Mail routes that served rural Farmers and the small towns they were doing business in, also served a lot of small Elevators who shipped Grain for the small farms. Modern Ag Production uses Trucks to deliver to a limited number of routes, that have facilities to handle 110 car trains. The condensed farms, now burn more fuel to produce more grain as other nations have displaced the US lead in wheat production for export.
Was looking the whole time in the video for Iron Mountain's branch rails. They were overgrown when I first saw them, but the doors still looked operational. I haven't looked in years (and its not like I'll be able to until the snow thaws), but it always made me wonder what Clarence av looked like in this city's more rail-centric past. I don't know exactly how much of your video was your own footage, but that just means I need to find more of the railways here to recognize it.
Very interesting video. I been in California so I mainly seen train derailments happening there just like last year when we had a UP intermodal hitting a truck in my town so it kinda scary on who to pick. Good job on the video though 😀
The crossing guards near the local elementary school here have nearly been hit by so many trucks that just go too fast and run the lights. It’s wild that there really isn’t anything being done here. It’s also near a curve and every year a truck will miss the turn and wreck.
This has got to be one of the .................. I ever saw. I worked for Chicago Central-IC then the RailNet for 21 years, now own a trucking company...I have had a father who was a railway man, cousins, uncles, grandpa and great grandfather... UNION PACIFIC, NS and CSX owned trucking companies and still do ....not only that they own their own intermodal chassis and in some cases containers which are cheaper then to maintain a branch or shortline .....
I think the railroad is better Iif I own a freight railroad and a truck company I would ceep truck in the city for short distance travel and for long distance I would put the container of freight trains that would be much better and there would be less container truck on the highline hto
freight moving inside of a 500 mile radius, trucks have the advantage... beyond a 700 mile radius, rail has the advantage... the area where rail/truck "fight" is just beyond 500 miles but inside 700 miles
I think what needs to happen is trucks need to take a primarily back seat. Yes they are good for what they are, but they also aint. The best examples of trucks at there best happen to be Australia's Road Trains, where a single truck pulls 3-4 or even more trailers in one go. Dont know if anyone else has noticed, but there is a growing movement, even from Elon to have more trains. Though, what you hear about mostly are passenger trains but freight is ultimately the big one, especially with larger industries. The East Terminal Railway is the best example of a branch that's soon to reopen(yes the original owners of the ETR sold it, the new owner wants to bring it back still) There is also a movement to use trains to remove certain cities from the shipping equation via the Mississippi River basin, or shipping to different ports for export.
You forgot inter costal shipping and barges. The Jones act has done wonders to the frieght rail industry. Definitely more "efficient"(by the metric of units of energy used not nessarily other considerations) by barge and ship.
read an article decades ago : guy bought a new car..mfg plant (Ford) was a few states away...he was given an arrival date but after several months it still hadn't arrived...when it finaly did he was able to trace it back having the railcar number as to departure time...etc... it had averaged 3 mph with the railroad.....
i dont think trucks are a menace. and even if railroads peak again, you will still need tons of trucks to move stuff between yards and fulfillment centers to businesses.
the real question is why did railroads sideline a ton of locomotives, fire a lot of people, make trains longer and make customers mad instead of actually improving service while they are losing business.
fair question... the short answer is PSR (precision scheduled railroading)... focusing on lowering the operating ratio to please the shareholders is the root answer to your question... to accomplish this the railroads used the DPU locomotives to increase the train size, combining TWO giant trains into ONE monstrosity of a train... doing this created a crew surplus and locomotive surplus... the excess crews were furloughed... the excess locos were shelved... also, railcars that used to be set out at intermediate terminals to be reclassified into new trains are now by passing those same intermediate terminals and are now being ran FURTHER down the line closer to their' final destination... this move also created a surplus of workers (yard switchmen, engineers, carmen, etc) as those crews didn't have enough switching to do or cars to inspect ... all excess workers were quickly FURLOUGHED... excess yard engines also shelved... in the mean time customers are complaining about poor service... cars missing their connections (because PSR can also support running SHORTER trains... PSR trains are ran on a "schedule" without regard to waiting for connecting cars)... this creates missed connections and "late" arrival of cars to customers... however on the flip side, when the carrier does run a monster train, the cars can and have reached their service destination yard TOO EARLY... this creates a situation where those early arriving car/s can "dwell" beyond their free time... which then generates storage fees for the customer... so with PSR, the workers are being furloughed... the customers are complaining about either late arriving cars or cars arriving too early... the only ones who are smiling are the INVESTORS/WALL ST
You might turn out being right about Trump favoring truck over rail. But it's also possible a stronger domestic economy boosts rail traffic. I worked for a railroad during Trump's first term, and his Whitehouse struck a deal winning Pennsylvania coal exports to Ukraine. It boosted our coal shipments and employees even scored a "coal bonus".
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I like both trucks and trains. But I grow up with trains more then trucks and seen both plus and cons of both and honestly Trains are the answer. Both trucks and trains working together dose work. Intermobile.
* I am biased and will always choose trains over trucks* as far as economics goes we need BOTH... trucks do haul a LARGE portion of the FINISHED products to market... while trains do haul a large portion of the RAW MATERIALS that are needed to create the FINISHED products
Trains are powerful more than trucks because they carry a lot of cars train cars Box cars and many other things and I like watching your channel so yeah 😊
part of the issue simply is that trucks are better in certain use cases, shipping smaller quantities from one location another over a short distance, then you get logging companies where it's a hell of alot easier to use the roads you already built to get your equipment up to where your cutting to get the wood out of the area. when it comes to shipping goads locally or even regionally it simply is more efficient for a company to use 1 or 2 trucks to move something, only when you are talking about quantities that would require around 7 trucks to transfer to one location does a train start to look more appealing. That's not even mentioning the pure greed present in both industries. With guys like Hunter harris who nickled and dime'd customers to the point that he made trucks look even more appealing. While truck companies largely manage to regulate their greed into only screwing over their employees. not to mention, despite all this talk, we still see that the majority of cargo at one point or another is infact on a train. hell, they still ship more across the country by train then through the panima cannal. which (somewhat indirectly) leads me to something I feel like is rarely discussed: Rolling highways. Rolling highways are something you see in Europe but the idea is pretty perfect for North America. Bacisally it's a piggyback service that brings the trucks and truckers along for the ride, with the idea being that the train's journey time should coincide with a trucker's required rest period meaning the the cargo doesn't stop moving towards it's destination while also not endangering anybody with an exhausted trucker.
Not going to lie I thought this was about the incident that happened in Texas where that Union Pacific train hit a semi trucks load derailing a killing the crew
I like how you did the beginning like in the beginning God created the heavens and earth much respect God bless you, I'm a truck driver I love both trucks and trains but there has to be a balance trucks need trains trains need trucks.
Nutshell: trains have less crashes and more freight capasity, while sometime derails (thats NS thing), Trucks sometimes are good for going well anywhere, but will always crash, thats all folks goodbye, why are you still here, ge GET OU-
ngl as a car guy I love trucks, I prefer them over trains imo but dude, considering how much truck drivers survive fatal accidents imagine the survivor's guilt percentage 🙁
I've gone to railroad school 2015 and I got my CDL 2017 I find it alót easier to get a semi job than a railroad job and (obviously because union) but I damn sure love trains more because your never make a locomotive dumb like thier doing semies in part for engines and emmision I found the one comment funny about truck being louder than trains but I see why it's more emmision friendly in today's age just keep semies local to haul to distributions
Rail is better hands down for greater distances. A 200 car Intermodal train with 2 containers per car can be moved by 4-6 locomotives vs using 400 semi’s. Just think of the impact on the environment you would be eliminating by utilizing the rail system…. Let alone the congestion on the roads and highways. But for urban shorter deliveries, trucks just make more sense.
I have watch vhs tape trucks tractors and trains that was back when I used to do overnights at my grandparents house on dad side family I resign in 2023 after he got amputated the song was favorite it was once favorite vhs tape I watched as kid
Thanks for watching! Apologies to the people who thought this was a truck/train crash compilation, lol
I forgot to mention the fact that trucks play a massive part in why roads are in awful shape in some places, and that a majority of road accidents are NOT caused by trucks, even if they do involve them. I just included 3 major incidents that involved trucks, i realized after that one of them was not the trucks fault.
Also btw, please follow me on Instagram @ winnipeg_railfan !!! That is all, have a great day.
I operated for a Trucking Firm in Winnipeg about 25 years ago.
I hear He sold out too.
Yea I was just about 2 say more trucks= more taxes to fix the roads which also creates an illusion that u need more publicly funded public transportation. I think short line and regional railroads (1st mile last mile railroads) will do good under trump. More railroads needed like the sartigan rr, or the reading and northern if your in the usa.
@@ChristinaLarsen-dk1pe When the majority of Trucking units are concentrated in a few organizations, they find methods to avoid paying a lot of taxes.
As the small firms dwindle as the number of shipments change, the ability to reduce cost by paying less to Drivers is a temptation.
The fact that the US Rail Transportation system used to provide Mail services to most small towns in the Nation, as a Constitutional Mandate, the opportunities to ride a train to just about any location in the USA was possible.
In 1967 the mail was removed from trains by Congressional actions.
The Mail and the Rails suffered ever since.
Oil Company Investors appeared to discover more profits as trucks burned up massive amounts of fuel to deliver the mail.
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More rr's needed like sartigan
8:27 Ironically, those ICC bars are supposed to protect people who rear-ended a truck, but I've seen zero examples of them working as intended.
You should see one fly as the drivers attempt to shift a rusty set of movable axles under a trailer, and go a little too far.
They can be deadly if anyone gets in the way.
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I've always felt that the answer is always a balance of trucks trains will be the best answer to freight transportation.
The unfortunate part is cost cutting is also just as rampant in the truck world as the railroad world. The barrier to entry to be a commercial driver has lowered significantly within the last 20 years, and lots of carriers (rail and road) will always cut corners to have the better shipping rate.
Anways, cool to see some of my footage made the final cut, as well as my sneaky cameo (0:32) lol
Trucks making the delivery to small town elevators was a good form of employment for many grain production regions, it did not provide profits to Investors who had Rail Stock that they wanted to notice large profits from.
The Oil Companies Investors were not pleased with their flow of profits either.
The work of removing the Mail from the Trains appeared to come from the big Investment Funds that owned oil and rail stock.
I apologize for invoking Politics and Economics in a discussion of whether Trucks or Trains were the most effective method of providing services to Citizens.
But I watched the Railroads change from providing effective service to Small Towns, as the profits rose in the Bank Accounts of Investor Class Individuals.
The shift from an agricultural region to a Profit producing business, does come with some definite downsides. The Wealthy got more wealthy, and Small Town Frams vanished, replaced by large Industrial Farming Operations.
We lost the ability to understand where our food was coming from, as we allowed the Rich to earn enough money to buy the Government that regulated the services we once enjoyed.
The Wealthy now name their Faithful Servants to appear on the Ballots we are handed at election time.
The results seem pretty obvious?
We seem to have returned to a small number of Individuals dictating Policy with the power their profits provide.
The Oligarchy System is very similar to the Monarchy.
At one time the Monarchy was described as Watery Tarts in Ponds distributing Swords.
Now it appears to be the distribution of power through profits.
Oligarchs do not like to ride around in Parades and wave at their loyal Subjects,
but they appear to be similar?
I was forced to sell out my trucking business 20 years ago, because I could not find competent Drivers.
I do understand how the business works.
I have also installed grates in Steam Locomotives, and I understand how that system works as well.
Buying my drivers license of eBay? No no no………
Temu is much cheaper
As a former OTR trucker, I think that all semis should go back to manual transmissions. I have seen "professional" drivers do some unthinkable things in a big rig. We need a better caliber of drivers. And most 4 wheelers are clueless around a semi. We need better drivers ed. But I agree, trucks and rail need to work together for their benefit.
This video feels like Alan Fisher came up with the idea, and Winnipeg Railfan made it a thing
Alan fisher is dumb and does not understand much bout railroading. He thinks all freight lines should have passenger trains, passeger is mostly unprofitable meaning tax payers pay for it. Another thing he thinks is they should put catenary electric lines on railroads which is a added maintenance expense. Battery electric and hydrogen locomotives prospects are performing pretty decently at this point. Maybe he doesn't know that the first diesel locomotive hit the market in 1912 and it wasn't till 1953 when they outnumbered steam locomotives.
Your perspective is a bit limited I think, mixed electrified passenger and freight is how Europe runs most of its rail system and their passenger rail system is competitive with airlines. Additionally the battery electric and hydrogen locomotives have much worse range compared to diesel locomotives and are an inferior way to electrify when simply putting up wires has been a proven solution for decades and doesn’t require the huge quantities of rare earth metals needed for battery electric locomotives.
Trucks VS Trains is basically the generational beef that never ends, Dio ought to take notes.
As someone who has had family in both industries, they both have their place, in an ideal world, trains would do all the long-distance cargo, with trucks being regional and final delivery. The problem with this is they have prioritized profits over efficiency, so it will never work, what takes a long haul driver days takes a train weeks. If people only knew how bad the transportation sector is, people would be left wondering how it hasn't fallen apart yet. Don't worry, though it will in the next few years if things don't change.
*what takes a long haul driver days takes a train weeks*
this is TRUE... i agree 100%...
but the wait times have always been baked into using rail... SOMETIMES, a customers business model can be adjusted to accommodate rail and the slower times that come along with it...
so yes, on the front end the customer absorbs the wait time... but on the back end, he has the potential to get MULTIPLE railcar loads of product in ONE TRIP...
one railcar can hold FOUR truckloads...
imagine a customer who can hold 5 railcars on his track... that's 20 truckloads of product in a single trip...
so as long as the customer has enough product on hand to cover for the rails travel time, using rail is a potentially viable option
@@25mfd I agree to a point. That all sounds nice until you have a port strike or shutdown, like in 2020, then your customer is SOL and is left hiring trucks at a higher rate to fill the void. trains need to cover the distance trucks fill the short distance. truck drivers really don't like doing long haul anymore, everyone has their place.
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*That all sounds nice until you have a port strike or shutdown, like in 2020*
ANY disruption in the supply chain would be bad for EVERYONE
@@25mfd but when you are already 3 weeks removed, you are now 2 months removed most can't survive that.
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*but when you are already 3 weeks removed, you are now 2 months removed most can't survive that*
i hear what you're saying... supply chain disruptions do happen...
but supply chain disruptions of the magnitude that you speak of are not the NORM...
port strikes don't happen every other week... lockdowns such as with covid don't happen every few days...
a VERY large percentage of the time our supply chain works as it was intended to...
now, a discussion on how to weather a supply chain disruption is a valid one...
but my comment was made in the context ABSENT any supply chain issues
No way! I thought he would be in-favor for trucks!!!
idk why but i thought we were gonna watch 15 minutes of trains hitting trucks, but this is still cool.
Back in 1978 I was taking a economics course and our prof said that if trucks where to pay the true cost of the up keep of roads long haul trucking would disappear .
Long-haul trucking shouldn't exist. Every town should have at least one rail connection, and then short-haul trucks can take the freight to its final destinations (if a branch line is not feasible). That same rail line could also provide passenger service, giving small town residents access to reliable nationwide mobility.
@@InventorZahran Putting your commuter and your freight rail on the same lines is how you end up with the heinous mess the USA has now where freight trains block passenger traffic all the fucking time.
Just build more rails, dammit. It wouldn't be more expensive or more difficult than all the highways, but they'd kill far fewer people and be far more economically valuable.
Truck driver here. Statistically trucks are safer on the road than cars, or in other words, the vast majority of accidents involving trucks are not the fault of the truck driver. But just because the driver of the truck isn't at fault doesn't mean that the presence of the truck in the accident isn't increasing the risk of the accident being fatal.
for those wondering, the song is "come as you are" by nirvana
I'm glad you included Triple Crown, fits appropriately and now is no more.
1:26 & 1:38 - Ahh, a Western Star hauling wagons on rails, just like 2 decades when one (RTL1) was hauling log wagons on the Sale-Bairnsdale line, due to the line’s terrible condition back then.
Also nice vid btw, hello from 🇦🇺
For the train at the end just actually a few days ago me and a buddy saw a high-balling CPKC coal trains that could be confused for a 2.q or so earthquake. Let's just say that the track was going up and down 10 cm or so
Trains are needed no matter what. Even if trucks are used a lot more for transporting goods, trains help a lot with transport as well to keep the economy stable. Nice video by the way. ❤️😎👍🏻
This is a sd40 moment right here.
One of the SD40 moments of all time, for sure.
Great video, as always
As a child, I liked both freight trains & 18 wheel semis. When we travel on freeways, I was excited to see a semi pass by us & got American Truck Simulator as my very 1st steam PC game since I was obsessed with highways. I liked freight trains a lot because of length & rolling stock variety, and then in 2023 I learned that trains are environmentally friendly mainly thorugh YT channels such as Alan Fisher & Adam Something or any other urbanist yt channel & I was biased, (They mostly bring up catenary overhead wires, trains from europe & asia, high speed rail & increased carrying capcity)
Great Video, i love trains, but i got a bit of a bias for truck mostly because i grew up with them and am going for my class 1 in January
Trucks & trains as my hobby, found the perfect video.
Hello Tennessee, this is Saskatchewan Truck spotting from another channel
Love the choice of music in this vid
Great video, although I disagree with your assessment that trucks are better than trains at time-sensitive goods, at least to a degree, as there are MANY tricks that train companies could do to make themselves more attractive to time-sensitive goods clients:
-Increase track and train speeds: In the US and Canada, the top speed of many mainline freight railroads is 60 mph. In Europe, however, some freight locos can reach 87 mph, with some US passenger loco designs based off of freight power. Even power designed for passenger service can haul freight just fine: E-units, ALCO PAs, and even Genesis series locos have all been seen hauling freight, even though they were never designed for it. (Yes, I know SDP40Fs and F40PHs have hauled freight, too, but they were based off freight power) Passenger trains can also carry some freight with them if needed, with some high-speed trainsets even being converted for cargo use!
-Adding crew rest coaches: This is a trick Australia has done, and with trains, you could theoretically swap out crews on the go, whereas any attempt with a truck would be pretty much impossible. Anything crews would need could also be provided onboard the train. Sure, there are self-driving vehicles, but they're nowhere near completely refined enough to regularly handle cars, let alone semis. Oh, and I've never driven a semi-truck before, but I'm pretty sure they don't have toilets built into them, whereas trains have had them since the 1950s!
-Making more trackage rights agreements: Trackage rights would allow train companies to use each others' right-of-way if they can't use their own routes for whatever reason. Even truck companies only handling the goods when the train company needs to do track work would be a better solution than our current system!
I can imagine what are the economy of both US and Canada would be like without trains.
I can ....
the only channel whos into i dont skip
I can't wait for the yappahollics anonymous playlist to drop!!!!
Apparently you do not miss the Railroad services that seemed to provide the actions that small town Kids used to admire from trackside?
Great video! Loved the Nirvana music :D
Interesting video bro, I prefer trucks myself and will love them better then trains, but the world needs both 🤙🤙
I really hate this car vs train debate, I feel to be one of the few people who support for the expansion (and deregulation) of both. It's refreshing to hear a (generally) balanced video that points out how a mix of both is the ideal and doesn't glorify one while demonize the other for the most part.
As one person described it:
“It’s a world of mice (cars) and elephants (large vehicles)”
The Oil Company Investors thank Americans for the contributions to their profits since 1967.
That was when the Mail was taken off the trains.
The US Postal Service still struggles to provide Maul Service since then.
Trucks consume more fuel for every ounce of goods they deliver.
That is pretty clear to me after 50 years of involvement in Trucking.
The effects of Policy being written to produce profits, are apparent.
It's worth noting that the truck and airline lobby are responsible for that, according to what the NHRS told me at railcamp thats why they stopped moving mail by train. There was no legitimate reasom for the switch.
Taking the mail off the trains was what finally killed passenger rail. Passenger trains carried the mail, which subsidized many routes.
@@dougbrowning82 Removing the Mail was the first part of promoting an effective method of forcing Small Farmers off the Ag Production Business landscape in the Grain Production regions of North America.
The Post Offices were the next step in the process of industrializing the Agricultural industry.
As the rail services that provided effective mail sorting and delivery to small towns dried up, the small Elevators went after the Post Offices closed down.
I watched a lot of small town elevators close down across North Dakota, and in the Manitoba and Saskatchewan regions.
I hauled a lot of rail from those Grain Production regions, and I worked for some Custom Cutters who assist in the industrial production efforts.
Farming used to be what held the small towns together as a lot of small Farms produced food for the people of the areas they were living in.
Creameries started to go as the big Feedlot style Dairies began to dominate the milk product production in North America.
Without small Farmers to anchor the Rail lines to the delivery of Agriculture Products, the small towns began to go.
Then the use of Local Collector routes began to dry up and the big Carriers began to spin off rail services to Short Lines, who never seem to quite afford a Tamper to come and help maintain the tracks.
The effort to move rail services from providing services to shippers in the Agricultural regions of the North American Continent, to the business of providing profits to Investors who appeared to get rich.
Since the 1960's the Rail Service sector has seen some drastic changes in how service is provided to the Population of the Planet, at least on this continent.
As the Small Towns died after losing the Post Office, the Farmers left the area and the return of the Bonanza Farms of the late 19th Century returned.
Population shift to the Cities stimulated Suburban living as the former Farmers Children moved to town to get a job.
So here we are as the effort to make large Ag Operators use Trucks to deliver products farther to Unit Train Facilities, that produce profits with less crew and less miles of track to support.
Even Foamers need to admit they are noticing less Brakemen on the Ground, connecting Brake Hoses.
Profits delivered to Investors provide the incentive to the Railroads to discontinue Branch Line services, and the death of Trains that have less than 100 cars, that seem to be connected for life, went along as the effective delivery of mail was the first step.
The US Postal Service continues to struggle to perform mail sorting services as effective as the Rail Postal Services.
There go the classification Yards.
John G Kneeling was predicting a conveyor style rail system in the 1960's.
We did not like to hear his words then, anyone who liked to listen to an RS-3 tug on a string of Boxcars full of grain did not like to listen to Kneeling's words.
But here we are.
@@dougbrowning82 Mail routes that served rural Farmers and the small towns they were doing business in, also served a lot of small Elevators who shipped Grain for the small farms.
Modern Ag Production uses Trucks to deliver to a limited number of routes, that have facilities to handle 110 car trains.
The condensed farms, now burn more fuel to produce more grain as other nations have displaced the US lead in wheat production for export.
great vid bro love ur stuff
Was looking the whole time in the video for Iron Mountain's branch rails. They were overgrown when I first saw them, but the doors still looked operational. I haven't looked in years (and its not like I'll be able to until the snow thaws), but it always made me wonder what Clarence av looked like in this city's more rail-centric past. I don't know exactly how much of your video was your own footage, but that just means I need to find more of the railways here to recognize it.
Hell ya another great vid
Love your vids
Very interesting video. I been in California so I mainly seen train derailments happening there just like last year when we had a UP intermodal hitting a truck in my town so it kinda scary on who to pick. Good job on the video though 😀
Trucks 🚚 also run red lights frequently too. I see this a lot. I had a neighbor that was unalived by a truck running a red.
The crossing guards near the local elementary school here have nearly been hit by so many trucks that just go too fast and run the lights. It’s wild that there really isn’t anything being done here. It’s also near a curve and every year a truck will miss the turn and wreck.
This was worth the 15 minutes of content
Sonic SFX at 5:04 BROKE ME lol
If Transformers has taught me anything, the truck wins the fight. The train is still cooler, though.
This has got to be one of the .................. I ever saw. I worked for Chicago Central-IC then the RailNet for 21 years, now own a trucking company...I have had a father who was a railway man, cousins, uncles, grandpa and great grandfather... UNION PACIFIC, NS and CSX owned trucking companies and still do ....not only that they own their own intermodal chassis and in some cases containers which are cheaper then to maintain a branch or shortline .....
I think the railroad is better Iif I own a freight railroad and a truck company I would ceep truck in the city for short distance travel and for long distance I would put the container of freight trains that would be much better and there would be less container truck on the highline hto
freight moving inside of a 500 mile radius, trucks have the advantage...
beyond a 700 mile radius, rail has the advantage...
the area where rail/truck "fight" is just beyond 500 miles but inside 700 miles
@25mfd good point
0:58 i don't think thats legal💀
I knew this video was going to be based Af
Showing the trucks who's the real boss lmaoo
0:29 why is this lorry trying to stop and failing horribly so funny
I think what needs to happen is trucks need to take a primarily back seat. Yes they are good for what they are, but they also aint. The best examples of trucks at there best happen to be Australia's Road Trains, where a single truck pulls 3-4 or even more trailers in one go. Dont know if anyone else has noticed, but there is a growing movement, even from Elon to have more trains. Though, what you hear about mostly are passenger trains but freight is ultimately the big one, especially with larger industries. The East Terminal Railway is the best example of a branch that's soon to reopen(yes the original owners of the ETR sold it, the new owner wants to bring it back still) There is also a movement to use trains to remove certain cities from the shipping equation via the Mississippi River basin, or shipping to different ports for export.
Ngl for long hauling trains are better
If they can deliver on time, and get it there with out robbery
You forgot inter costal shipping and barges. The Jones act has done wonders to the frieght rail industry. Definitely more "efficient"(by the metric of units of energy used not nessarily other considerations) by barge and ship.
read an article decades ago : guy bought a new car..mfg plant (Ford) was a few states away...he was given an arrival date but after several months it still hadn't arrived...when it finaly did he was able to trace it back having the railcar number as to departure time...etc... it had averaged 3 mph with the railroad.....
a LONG LONG time ago, customers had the option to pick their new vehicle right from the factory... not sure if that's an option anymore today
Thank you for this information 👍
and not just elon, a former pan am railway exec (yes PAN AM) will be running the fra
i dont think trucks are a menace. and even if railroads peak again, you will still need tons of trucks to move stuff between yards and fulfillment centers to businesses.
the real question is why did railroads sideline a ton of locomotives, fire a lot of people, make trains longer and make customers mad instead of actually improving service while they are losing business.
fair question...
the short answer is PSR (precision scheduled railroading)... focusing on lowering the operating ratio to please the shareholders is the root answer to your question...
to accomplish this the railroads used the DPU locomotives to increase the train size, combining TWO giant trains into ONE monstrosity of a train... doing this created a crew surplus and locomotive surplus... the excess crews were furloughed... the excess locos were shelved...
also, railcars that used to be set out at intermediate terminals to be reclassified into new trains are now by passing those same intermediate terminals and are now being ran FURTHER down the line closer to their' final destination...
this move also created a surplus of workers (yard switchmen, engineers, carmen, etc) as those crews didn't have enough switching to do or cars to inspect ... all excess workers were quickly FURLOUGHED... excess yard engines also shelved...
in the mean time customers are complaining about poor service... cars missing their connections (because PSR can also support running SHORTER trains... PSR trains are ran on a "schedule" without regard to waiting for connecting cars)... this creates missed connections and "late" arrival of cars to customers...
however on the flip side, when the carrier does run a monster train, the cars can and have reached their service destination yard TOO EARLY... this creates a situation where those early arriving car/s can "dwell" beyond their free time... which then generates storage fees for the customer...
so with PSR, the workers are being furloughed... the customers are complaining about either late arriving cars or cars arriving too early...
the only ones who are smiling are the INVESTORS/WALL ST
Using the worst case examples for truck accidents. Almost entirely truck car accidents are caused by the car.
fax.
You might turn out being right about Trump favoring truck over rail. But it's also possible a stronger domestic economy boosts rail traffic. I worked for a railroad during Trump's first term, and his Whitehouse struck a deal winning Pennsylvania coal exports to Ukraine. It boosted our coal shipments and employees even scored a "coal bonus".
The ultimate test is seeing which can destroy the other
when arent your videos top tier
All the commentary vids from 2017-2022 weren't LOL
Mmmmn'yes two thing that i like truck and train in to one video
both is that answer
0:41 MBTA MENTIONED FINALLY
One day center point of gravity. Next with positive abruptness. Tremendous positivity.
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P.I.E. trucking driving down Interstate 69 LOL you crack me up
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Bear in mind, this is talking about just the US and Canada, not Europe
I like both trucks and trains. But I grow up with trains more then trucks and seen both plus and cons of both and honestly Trains are the answer. Both trucks and trains working together dose work. Intermobile.
Long distance trains , short distance trucks , and you left out how trucks eat up the roads
Riiiight, I completely forgot about that too, lol
Personally, I am biased and will always choose trains over trucks.
Edit- I like the "yap videos" because I usually play videos to help me sleep LOL
* I am biased and will always choose trains over trucks*
as far as economics goes we need BOTH...
trucks do haul a LARGE portion of the FINISHED products to market... while trains do haul a large portion of the RAW MATERIALS that are needed to create the FINISHED products
W VID Good job
Trains are powerful more than trucks because they carry a lot of cars train cars Box cars and many other things and I like watching your channel so yeah 😊
8:49 "just one more lane bro, trust me"
Skibidi RIZZLER
Pittsburgh is more roads than trains today, then back in the 40s
I know I’m watching a Canadian foamer when “gong show” is dropped in the script.
part of the issue simply is that trucks are better in certain use cases, shipping smaller quantities from one location another over a short distance, then you get logging companies where it's a hell of alot easier to use the roads you already built to get your equipment up to where your cutting to get the wood out of the area. when it comes to shipping goads locally or even regionally it simply is more efficient for a company to use 1 or 2 trucks to move something, only when you are talking about quantities that would require around 7 trucks to transfer to one location does a train start to look more appealing.
That's not even mentioning the pure greed present in both industries. With guys like Hunter harris who nickled and dime'd customers to the point that he made trucks look even more appealing. While truck companies largely manage to regulate their greed into only screwing over their employees.
not to mention, despite all this talk, we still see that the majority of cargo at one point or another is infact on a train. hell, they still ship more across the country by train then through the panima cannal.
which (somewhat indirectly) leads me to something I feel like is rarely discussed: Rolling highways. Rolling highways are something you see in Europe but the idea is pretty perfect for North America. Bacisally it's a piggyback service that brings the trucks and truckers along for the ride, with the idea being that the train's journey time should coincide with a trucker's required rest period meaning the the cargo doesn't stop moving towards it's destination while also not endangering anybody with an exhausted trucker.
Hey man when’s the next nostalgic Thomas and friends video gonna be coming out
Great video whats the song at the end i like it
The very end is this one here: th-cam.com/video/_TToacpASlg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5S9Cvu4vNOpqOwnr
@@TheWinnipegRailfan thanks man happy new years you just saved me hours of searching so i appreciate it
Not going to lie I thought this was about the incident that happened in Texas where that Union Pacific train hit a semi trucks load derailing a killing the crew
taper?
I like how you did the beginning like in the beginning God created the heavens and earth much respect God bless you, I'm a truck driver I love both trucks and trains but there has to be a balance trucks need trains trains need trucks.
Nutshell: trains have less crashes and more freight capasity, while sometime derails (thats NS thing), Trucks sometimes are good for going well anywhere, but will always crash, thats all folks goodbye, why are you still here, ge GET OU-
I don’t know, lately it’s becoming more of a Union Pacific thing.
what didnt help with the spur's is that the truck companys paid the companys to buy into using trucks
ngl as a car guy I love trucks, I prefer them over trains imo
but dude, considering how much truck drivers survive fatal accidents imagine the survivor's guilt percentage 🙁
Travithic didn't build Locomotion! George Stephenson built it. It was also No. 1 not No. 5.
The best ripoff of cars vs trains
i was standing by a box car that empty weighed 81K pounds....
Alan fisher (armchair urbanist) has been alerted
At 9:43 and 10:39 there's my videos lol
I've gone to railroad school 2015 and I got my CDL 2017 I find it alót easier to get a semi job than a railroad job and (obviously because union) but I damn sure love trains more because your never make a locomotive dumb like thier doing semies in part for engines and emmision I found the one comment funny about truck being louder than trains but I see why it's more emmision friendly in today's age just keep semies local to haul to distributions
Dislocated by Fripp's League of Gentlemen?
Indeed it is! lol
Train’s always win
*insert lemon demon song here*
Rail is better hands down for greater distances. A 200 car Intermodal train with 2 containers per car can be moved by 4-6 locomotives vs using 400 semi’s. Just think of the impact on the environment you would be eliminating by utilizing the rail system…. Let alone the congestion on the roads and highways.
But for urban shorter deliveries, trucks just make more sense.
Welllll I foam over trucks and trains so W either way haaahaaa
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Great opinions however
PSR
serious. I don't really trust 100% of cargo trade to railroads with all.the psr going on
Trains = long distance good
Trucks= short distance good
I have watch vhs tape trucks tractors and trains that was back when I used to do overnights at my grandparents house on dad side family I resign in 2023 after he got amputated the song was favorite it was once favorite vhs tape I watched as kid
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