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P51 wasnt a great plane until it borrowed a British engine. Spitfire also wasnt that great and required American high octanes to gain the power that German large displacment planes such as the me109 were using. Germans had the best planes but you arent alloweed to know this since the allies won. Why the allies win? Simple alliies had tons and never ending resources and petrol. Shhhh you not suppose to know.
@Hoa Tattis how much enough to challenge Germany in ww2 no way. British lost ww2 when then went begging the world for help. How could so many of you historians be so ignorant? How does this happen what are you guys eating? No fruits and vegetables perhaps or fear of the truth
@Ben Cobley Yes they did not show the Mk IX climbing with the P51 because it would leave it behind nor did they show the P51 taking the Spitfire on in the Roll or the turn because the Spitfire was better
@Ben Cobley My info Mk IX 406 mph @ 25000 ft P51B 422 mph @ 25000 ft ? Climb rate Spitfire by 800 ft/min with Spit Mk IX JL165 Merlin 66 [ so late] 25lb boost 5080ft/min MS gear
@@jacktattis143 Nor did they show the P51 flying 700 miles further or going all-out at 70mph faster the than the Spit. Two great planes built for two purposes, both turned the tide of WWII.
@@jbrowne9381 Not 700 miles further about 450 miles further without Drop tanks They could not show 70 mph faster because it was only 30 mph faster and only at 25000 ft And you are right both were great aircraft
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@Jim Barrows Not only a much better sound but a much better and more important engine, it powered the best US fighter of WW II and the best fighter of WW II as well as the best multi role aircraft of WW II and the best bomber of WW II.
Mark Acker except the Mustang was powered by the PACKARD modified and updated version of the Merlin !!! Different American supercharger/intercooler and controls that the lessor British version !! ! PLUS the wider bladed Hamilton prop put out more thrust !! Why the Mustang was FASTER inspite of being 2,000# heavier !! And more aerodynamic, smoother less drag !!! Just the fact ol bean and not the Hype or British BULLSHIT !!!!
@Jim Barrows Pratt Whitney produced more engines in WW II than all of Rolls Royce.!!!! 125,000 R2800 200,000 R1820's and a bunch of R2000 to boot !!! and then throw in the 200,000 Plus Wright R1830's and the R3350 and the 70,000 R2600 and the measly output of RR fades off into obscurity !!!
Willy Wanker. The P 51 was powered by the Rolls Royce Merlin, Packard were well paid by Rolls Royce to make the Merlin 66 which was not modified by Packard at all, a different heavier US supercharger and the not so good Hamilton prop, you keep comparing it to the Spitfire Mk IX of 1942 which had the earlier Merlin 61 engine and used less boost, the P 51 was a bit faster but with less acceleration, climb, lower service ceiling and far less maneuverable than the 1942 Spitfire Mk IX. All the facts unlike your cherry picking and lies.
Willy Wanker Pratt & Witless may have made a lot, they had to because they had to be replaced so often, Packard made many less than Rolls Royce. and the Packard copy was not as good.
@@ckelley63 come on Americans and british will always compare one another, Britain's still hurt we won the revolutionary war lol just playin around
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I flew both these planes during the war ......I was getting badly shot up over France by a squadron of Me 109s and facing certain death when I was suddenly saved by my alarm clock
Luv all WW2 aircraft , but will always side with the the spit , as I'm a Brit lol. My mum remarried and her husband's father flew spits in the war , big respect to those guys 🇬🇧
Just remember the Spitfire was ready in 1940, and the only other reliable fighters were the Hurricane and P-40. As we found out the Spitfire was an amazing aeroplane that took the fight to the Nazis. The Mustang came along in the middle, and carried the allies to the end of the war with many other fighters that were designed after 1940. Before anyone says the P-38 was ready in 1940, it also had major problems and was not as reliable then.
The P 40 was too late for the Battle of Britain and not good enough. The Spitfire carried the allies to the end of the war with a couple of other fighters that came later.
Lope's Hope is such a good looking Mustang!! The restoration behind Lope's Hope is beyond PHENOMENAL. I'd love to see that bird in person. Keep up the GREAT work. 👍👍
Willy Wanker The Spitfire did many jobs the P 51 could not do, including escorting USAAF bombers in 1943, and for 3.5 to 4 hour missions, slightly slower is like 2,000 ft/min less and a 1944 P 51 taking 6 minutes more to get to 40,000 feet than a 1942 Spitfire. the slightly less turn radius was about 200 feet unless the P 51 used full flap and turned very slow, still 60 feet more radius at lower much speed than the Spitfire If the Spitfire was so hard to make why were so many more made than P 51's and why did NAA go to Supermarine to try to find out how to make a light strong fighter before they made the much altered P 51 H ? Poor little Willy, you really have no idea do you?
Yes as you have stated both types were designed to different roles. The P 51 was an excellent long range escort fighter without which continued daylight strategic bombing would have been difficult if not impossible, and making an invaluable contribution to victory. The Spitfire was designed to the very opposite... It was an interceptor design to attack raids and deal with escort Fighters. The Spitfire of cause went on to for fill other role excellently. But the defence of Britain in the Summer of 1940, ensured victory.
Exactly my thoughts, one is s shortish range dog fighter, one s long range escort. One turns inside and out climbs, one swoops and dives.( Only one had its own warning when spotted though.)
Jack Tallis... The "C" designation refers to the wing design. It is the first used "universal" wing...ie could be fitted with 8 guns(not used to best of my knowledge), 4 guns and 2 cannon(most common configuration like the "B" wing) or 4 Cannon (rarely used). Late version were equipped with the"e" wing which replaced the 4 0.303 guns with 2 50 cal, or 4 cannons. The "HF"," F", and "LF" refers to the optimal altitude setting for a particular aircraft... HF had Merlin's optimised for high altitude ( over 35,000 ft)and may have pointed extended wings but not necessarily. F aircraft were "standard" configuration optimised for 15,000 to 30,000ft. Finally LF were low altitude fighters with Merlins suited to altitude below 20,000 ft and often with clipped wings. So in short yes the RAF did use Spitfire HF/F/LF MkIXc .
I am not a follower of air shows or anything, but I really appreciate being able to see (and hear) these two wonderful machines perform, and I thank the poster and the two pilots. At 09:41 do I hear two engines revving so close you can hear them beating? Having been born in the early Fifties, I remember these two planes as ones a schoolboy would want to know about and admire. (Well, at least me and my later-to-be-called "geeky" friends.)
lol they won the land war in fairness. spitfires with hurricanes with merlin engines saved the battle of Britain they gave a bridgehead to invade nazi held Europe the mustangs with merlin's could go all the way with bombers there and back and do there own missions on top
Sorry but it is you trying to re-write history. The Mustang was designed to use the Allison V-1710 engine (which had limited high-altitude performance in its earlier variants). The aircraft was first flown operationally by the Royal Air Force (RAF) as a tactical-reconnaissance aircraft and fighter-bomber (Mustang Mk I). Replacing the Allison with a Rolls-Royce Merlin resulted in the P-51B/C (Mustang Mk III) model and transformed the aircraft's performance at altitudes above 15,000 ft (4,600 m) (without sacrificing range),[8] allowing it to compete with the Luftwaffe's fighters.[9] The definitive version, the P-51D, was powered by the Packard V-1650-7, a license-built version of the two-speed two-stage-supercharged Merlin 66
@@SvenTviking V170 worked with older aircraft, but just wasn't powerful enough for the Mustang. That's why most Allison-engine P-51s were redesignated A-36 Apaches and used in a ground attack role. P-51As were, to my understanding, somewhat rare in dogfights, especially once the Merlin-equipped P-51Bs and Cs came around.
Bob, I agree; the term "vs" usually applies to a competition, but I think that in this instance the term was meant to be used rather loosely. Also, neither of these great fighters made any unusual maneuvers or acrobatics that any other fighters, or even some bombers of the WWll era, could not do. But I still loved watching and hearing these 2 iconic WWll fighters roaring around.
@@BDOutdoorsCanada Yes, and there is a news channel, Golden State Times, a conservative news channel, that uses headlines like this : "President Trump's SHOCKING news conference..." . The news conference was just an uneventful news conference by Trump with the usual and expected idiotic questions by the liberal press, but there was nothing "SHOCKING" about it at all. This channel does it for every video. Just because I am a conservative and this channel is apparently also conservative, that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let them slide for deliberately using a misleading and dishonest title. I have made my thoughts known on several of their videos but, and as I expected, I have never heard any response from them. Yea, I know that it's to hopefully increase the viewership and such, but it is still dishonest and misleading.
bOB: No ,if they were the Spitfire would leave in for dead in the climb roll and turn and on the deck the Spit was slightly faster but up at 25000 ft the P51 was the faster
@@jacktattis143 These two aircraft were not designed for the same role, the Spit was a defensive interceptor but the Mustangs attributes were such that it excelled at being a long range air superiority fighter. The Mustang was also designed 4 years after the Me 109, the Hurricane and the Spitfire first flew so North American had lots of time to study the world's best fighters before designing the mustang. Even then, they put an inferior engine in it and it still couldn't out fight the Spit!
im sure that the spitfire is probably one of the most globally recognised aircraft but it truly is a magnificent piece of engineering. proud british sip my badger bitter
I would expect no less. As an American, I'm a Mustang fan, but that's not to take anything from the Spitfire. Also, we owe the Brits both for the idea of the Mustang and the engine that made it what it came to be after the Allison experiment failed.
@@jamesmartin9401 ; Agreed. The Mustang is an `awesome` creation, and was very highly regarded in GB WWII, but the Spitfire is deeply ingrained in British iconography, having been created almost single handed by the genius Mitchell, dying from cancer and desperately working to get this plane ready for the coming troubles. Up close, and in the air it never fails to put a chill in the back, as does the Hurricane. I would love to see a play off between a Mosquito or Whirlwind and that other great US fighter, the Lightning.
The spitfire was named after Robert Mcleans daughter, tomboys were known as spitfires in those days, Mitchell wasn't happy, he wanted to call it the shrew
@@watsondove849 Yes, as a matter of fact, when Mitchell heard that the RAF had chosen the name Spitfire he said, "That's just the sort of silly name they WOULD give it!"
Great catch. Not sure how many B model Mustangs are still flying but can't be many. Nice looking Spit too. You guys always deliver. Thanks for sharing.
Lope's Hope is a P-51C although the only differences in the B and C are the factory they were made in. There are some great videos of Kermit Week's P-51C (also videos of his D model) on his youtube channel.
@@ginacalabrese3869 You're right about difference in B and C model Mustangs. Same plane but B model was assembled in Los Angeles; C model was assembled in Dallas, Texas.
@@donoteventry4298 that's right Inglewood. I seem to recall that North American stored finished Mutsangs waiting for transfer on the grounds of Hollywood Park race track which was closed for the duration of WWII. Hollywood Park has now been demolished and is the sight of the new stadium for the Rams and the Chargers.
My thanks to the men who piloted these war birds to provide us freedom today. I'm wondering which of the old war birds actually make the best aerobatic planes ? This week I bought an RC Spitfire and I'm happily surprised at how well it performs aerobatics.
@@HawkerMkIII not very fond of RC biplanes, a guy at our club has the Zero, so looks like I am blessed it was a used Spitfire that I bought - she is doing very well at the aerobatics I've tried so far.
If you want roll rate Fw190 followed by Clipped wing Spitfire, Dive always Spit, Turn Zero or Hurricane Climb rate at zero feet Spitfire /Tempest Acceleration down low Spitfire and Tempest.
Why on earth are there 29 dislikes?! I wasn’t aware there were 29 people in all the world who would dislike seeing an early Mustang display followed by a beautifully flown Spitty, must be horse people on the wrong channel
More than that, the Rolls Royce Merlin transformed the sluggish Allison powered Mustang from being a very average late WW2 aircraft into a top 5 aircraft. Excellent planes though.
@@Gez492 Popular, but wrong. The Allison equipped Mustangs were excellent from the start, but because they only had a single stage supercharger, they did not have the necessary high altitude performance to escort bombers. Remember, early war Merlins also only had single stage superchargers. Using the same design of supercharger on the Allison engine would have had a very similar result. More information here: ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/what-was-the-problem-with-the-allison-engine.29243/
@@yosemite-e2v The Allison engine Mustang lacked performance at low altitude as well, it was not slow but it had poor acceleration and climb, that is compared to the single stage supercharged Merlin engine.
@@yosemite-e2v The historical fact is that the Mustang would never have achieved the appreciation it did, had they not opted for the merlin. It would have failed and become just another mediocre US aircraft. Instead it is a legend.
Great video. Two great fighters. The Spitfire, hands down is the most graceful fighter design of all time, an absolutely gorgeous aircraft. Watching the aerobatics demo here, my instinct is that the P51C is better at "boom & Zoom"; the P51 picks up dive speed quicker and zooms to the top of the loop a bit quicker. The Spitfire, however seems much more nimble, with a better fine level of control by the skilled pilot.
@@aussiedeplorable8670 Mostly in the East, in the West they had to face the Spitfire, also there were more Bf 109's than any other WW II fighter. There is also the slight problem of German records being released which show many of their claims were false.
Yes both plane are amazing I wish I could fly or owned both but I know it's a very expensive hobby but it's the greatest hobby it hurts so much that could probably never have the chance to fly those war birds
Both great, classy planes but (and I speak as a Brit) the P51 had the edge - remember though it came along a decade after the first Spitfire. The real star of the show though? The cameraman. This was the best airshow video I've seen - for that many thanks.
A decade? The first Spitfire entered service with the RAF in 1938. The Mustang MkI entered service with the RAF in 1941. I have no idea where you got the information that these two airplanes are 10 years apart.
The basic difference was that the Mustang had a lower drag semi laminar flow wing, so it could fly further and was faster on the same engine horsepower. A P51D was about 35mph faster than a Spitfire IX with virtually the same engine and had much longer range, although the Spit was not fitted with the rear fuselage tank fitted to the Mustang, the tank was unnecessary for the Spit’s later war role, air superiority over the battlefield rather than long range escort and air superiority over Germany. The Spit could out turn the Mustang and Griffon engined Spitfires were as fast and climbed much faster. The last Spitfire model, the Seafire 47, went 450mph and had similar range to the P51D, although the fastest piston engined fighter of the war was the P51H at 480-490mph.
@@PoochAndBoo The spitfire was first ordered in 1934 to a design from 1932. The P51 in 1940 so no it wasn't a decade but either 6 or 8 years depending on your point of view. You really must excuse me from further discussion but I find entering into conversations with querulous little turds like you quite nauseating.
@@SvenTviking Not quite it was not the wing which gave the P 51 higher speed or range, the P 51 had a different radiator for cooling that helped for speed and the range was because it carried a lot more fuel, also some Spitfire Mk IX had rear fuselage tanks which gave up to 75 gallons extra, some also had extra fuel in the wings and I do not make 442 mph 35 mph more than 418.8 mph which the Spitfire achieved in 1943, the Spitfire Mk IX also had better acceleration and climb than the P 51 and went higher. The P 51 H which was too late for the war had some issues, in 1945 when flight tested it could not get over 450 mph, after much work a year later they still had problems and reached 451 mph
@HiWetcam Recently, I got up close and personal with a Sabre engine in a museum in Nelson, New Zealand. My gods! That thing is a monster! I have an audio track of a Sabre starting up, taxiing, take-off and high-speed fly-by. I'm hoping to hear the real thing one day. (I'm also hoping to see someone walk on Mars. I wonder which will come first)
They rebuild quite a few P40"s here in NZ, Keith Skilling rates it as a favourite in handling down low, really quick roll rate and easy to fly, The RNZAF had them in mass during ww2 so we have quite a soft spot for them.
Speaking of Ford Henry Ford actually developed an aluminum V12 60° dual overhead cam aircraft engine that was better than the Merlin but the government didn't want to go with it because it was already obligated to other contracts at the time. That and all the mechanics and spare parts that were already in the field for Allison and the Merlin engines.
@@jonadam5392 No Henry copied the Merlin illegally when he was asked to build the Merlin and had the drawings copied . The US Government rightly turned him down Otherwise the Ford company would have faced a almighty court case.In both countries
My grandfather was a Mustang pilot in WW2... My father was a missile guy (Hawk) 6th Batt in Vietnam, and I was a 1 alpha 7 door gunner in Iraq and Afghanistan... my grandpa had the best job.
Andre Robert Drouin Actually no, you’re clamping down on part of the story. The usual scoop is that popular media promotes the Spit and ignores the Hurri. As far as actual history, there were more Hurris, but the Spit was there too and fought just as hard.
@@andrerobertdrouin3642 you know the war went on after that, right? Not saying the Hurricane was not an amazing airplane but it was outshone by the Spitfire and Mustang.
Seemingly the spitfire got its name by accident, when testing the guns, it set fire to the target...... Some smart ass said it looked like it was spitting fire, and a legend was born.
P-51 is way fast. But the roles of these aircraft are so different. Then again, in the Pacific theatre, get engaged with a Zero, watch your ass. They are like butterflies. Never turn against one. .
the pilot in that spit turns it like a dime 2 amazing pilots 2 amazing aircraft. The Story of the Spitfire is the most fascinating financially funded story of an aircraft, EVER! LONG LIVE THE BRIT CAPITALISTS!
A Great Video! I'm So Glad You Used The Natural Sounds & Not Some BS Music. I Would Like To Know How Accurate Lope's Hope Livery Is. I've Read Don Lopez's Two Autobiographies Many Times & Recommend Both To All Who Love Aviation . . .
You can’t compare them they’re built for different things. The Spitfire was originally meant for intercepting enemy aircraft while the P51 was a long range fighter aircraft.
@@barrierodliffe4155 BULL$HIT !!!!! Mustang had twice the internal fuel then add the wing tanks !!! And the P51A's the Allison version are pictured in Mustangs in Action with drop tanks to escort medium bomber, as altitude was no problem !!!! DUUUHHH !!!
One has better performance, much better acceleration and climb, better service ceiling, better maneuverability, higher dive speed and it is the smaller lighter of the two. The other had very poor performance until it got the Rolls Royce Merlin engine.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Mustang Never used a RR Merlin engine !!!! ALL Merlin powered Mustangs in production used ONLY the PACKARD Built in AMERICA Merlin, different version !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!!
What causes the difference in engine sound from the P-51B and the Spitfire? Is it the supercharger or propeller? It is the same Merlin engine isn’t it?
05:50 There are few sights in aviation more evocative than the shape of the Spitfire wing. In the opinion of some aviation fans... 10:24 There we go! That's worth the time spent watching this video, right there.
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P51 wasnt a great plane until it borrowed a British engine. Spitfire also wasnt that great and required American high octanes to gain the power that German large displacment planes such as the me109 were using. Germans had the best planes but you arent alloweed to know this since the allies won. Why the allies win? Simple alliies had tons and never ending resources and petrol. Shhhh you not suppose to know.
@Hoa Tattis how much enough to challenge Germany in ww2 no way. British lost ww2 when then went begging the world for help. How could so many of you historians be so ignorant? How does this happen what are you guys eating? No fruits and vegetables perhaps or fear of the truth
These are both beautiful and fantastic aircraft ....
@Ben Cobley Yes they did not show the Mk IX climbing with the P51 because it would leave it behind nor did they show the P51 taking the Spitfire on in the Roll or the turn because the Spitfire was better
@Ben Cobley My info Mk IX 406 mph @ 25000 ft P51B 422 mph @ 25000 ft ? Climb rate Spitfire by 800 ft/min with Spit Mk IX JL165 Merlin 66 [ so late] 25lb boost 5080ft/min MS gear
Cont: With FS gear radiator flaps open 4750 ft/min
@@jacktattis143 Nor did they show the P51 flying 700 miles further or going all-out at 70mph faster the than the Spit. Two great planes built for two purposes, both turned the tide of WWII.
@@jbrowne9381 Not 700 miles further about 450 miles further without Drop tanks
They could not show 70 mph faster because it was only 30 mph faster and only at 25000 ft
And you are right both were great aircraft
Awesome - lest we forget those young lads from the US and the UK in WWII who sacrificed their lives flying these amazing metal birds
We are lucky that people keep these old planes flying - great to watch 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇨🇦🇦🇺🇳🇿
Absolutely. Two of the finest aircraft ever built in my opinion. That sound though eh? 👍
You just forgot 🇵🇹
@@nuno3095 How could I forget Portugal, Englands oldest aIly. I have had two happy visits to Central Portugal and loved it 👍
@@blackdog5354 Many people are visiting Portugal this summer ... Although we are a small country our history is very important for humanity ... You will always be welcome here
@@nuno3095 Thank you Nuno 🇵🇹 🇬🇧😊
WOW, the sound of the Rolls Royce Merlin..... such a beautiful sound... arguably the sound of freedom from WWII
@Jim Barrows
Not only a much better sound but a much better and more important engine, it powered the best US fighter of WW II and the best fighter of WW II as well as the best multi role aircraft of WW II and the best bomber of WW II.
Mark Acker except the Mustang was powered by the PACKARD modified and updated version of the Merlin !!! Different American supercharger/intercooler and controls that the lessor British version !! ! PLUS the wider bladed Hamilton prop put out more thrust !! Why the Mustang was FASTER inspite of being 2,000# heavier !! And more aerodynamic, smoother less drag !!! Just the fact ol bean and not the Hype or British BULLSHIT !!!!
@Jim Barrows Pratt Whitney produced more engines in WW II than all of Rolls Royce.!!!! 125,000 R2800 200,000 R1820's and a bunch of R2000 to boot !!! and then throw in the 200,000 Plus Wright R1830's and the R3350 and the 70,000 R2600 and the measly output of RR fades off into obscurity !!!
Willy Wanker.
The P 51 was powered by the Rolls Royce Merlin, Packard were well paid by Rolls Royce to make the Merlin 66 which was not modified by Packard at all, a different heavier US supercharger and the not so good Hamilton prop, you keep comparing it to the Spitfire Mk IX of 1942 which had the earlier Merlin 61 engine and used less boost, the P 51 was a bit faster but with less acceleration, climb, lower service ceiling and far less maneuverable than the 1942 Spitfire Mk IX. All the facts unlike your cherry picking and lies.
Willy Wanker
Pratt & Witless may have made a lot, they had to because they had to be replaced so often, Packard made many less than Rolls Royce. and the Packard copy was not as good.
Wow. All they needed was a 109 and 190 up there pounding it out with them. Beautiful.
I love watching The Battle Of Britain and hearing the 109 pilots scream “Speetfiya!” just before the Spits jump them.
Exactly 👍
My aunt Betty flew spitfires to the young RAF boys she loved it and she flew one Lancaster she died 95
Bless her
@@fistpunder Hats off to your aunty Betty.
@@fistpunder thank you thanks james
These ladies did a wonderful job, and even now they are not recognised enough. Thank God for your aunt Betty.
@@Shoshun2 thank you on her behalf
Two beautiful aircraft, with two very distinct Roaring Merlin's!
Two of my favorite aircraft
Two fantastically beautiful aircraft. Makes me almost wish I could have lived during the '40's (almost).
Me too, until you need a dentist, then right back to now thanks!
always a treat to see an Airshowstuff vid as soon as it comes out
Some things cannot and should not be compared !!!
Well my friend sometimes it's just invitiable!
@@ckelley63 come on Americans and british will always compare one another, Britain's still hurt we won the revolutionary war lol just playin around
I flew both these planes during the war ......I was getting badly shot up over France by a squadron of Me 109s and facing certain death when I was suddenly saved by my alarm clock
Dis Count that’s good
Oh thank god you’re here to tell your story
@@andregoncalves5200 Dude, it's a joke
Paul Marchi no shit, Sherlock 🕵️♂️
Dis Count...
Hey! Just love it!
Luv all WW2 aircraft , but will always side with the the spit , as I'm a Brit lol. My mum remarried and her husband's father flew spits in the war , big respect to those guys 🇬🇧
A truly magnificent pair!
Just remember the Spitfire was ready in 1940, and the only other reliable fighters were the Hurricane and P-40. As we found out the Spitfire was an amazing aeroplane that took the fight to the Nazis. The Mustang came along in the middle, and carried the allies to the end of the war with many other fighters that were designed after 1940. Before anyone says the P-38 was ready in 1940, it also had major problems and was not as reliable then.
The P 40 was too late for the Battle of Britain and not good enough. The Spitfire carried the allies to the end of the war with a couple of other fighters that came later.
Hurricane and Spitfire first combat Oct 39. P51D Jun 44 almost 5 years
I love both of the aircraft, but the growl of the Merlin engine and the Spitfire catches your heart and your eye due to it's design by RJ Mitchell.
Lope's Hope is such a good looking Mustang!! The restoration behind Lope's Hope is beyond PHENOMENAL. I'd love to see that bird in person. Keep up the GREAT work. 👍👍
Eww to comment with a quick lecture on why ones is better than the other! How about just enjoy two great air planes smartatoids !
Exactly, equal admiration. 👍
Very well said,together are stronger.
I know right. Obviously the p51 is better.
@@justintime41776
Of course it is, the slower aircraft with poor acceleration, climb and maneuverability is bound to be better.
Willy Wanker
The Spitfire did many jobs the P 51 could not do, including escorting USAAF bombers in 1943, and for 3.5 to 4 hour missions, slightly slower is like 2,000 ft/min less and a 1944 P 51 taking 6 minutes more to get to 40,000 feet than a 1942 Spitfire. the slightly less turn radius was about 200 feet unless the P 51 used full flap and turned very slow, still 60 feet more radius at lower much speed than the Spitfire If the Spitfire was so hard to make why were so many more made than P 51's and why did NAA go to Supermarine to try to find out how to make a light strong fighter before they made the much altered P 51 H ?
Poor little Willy, you really have no idea do you?
The B and C model Stangs are gems. Stellar footage!
@Hoa Tattis No, the D Model has the Bubble Canopy, while the C and B (Razorback Canopy) models were made at different plants
Both beautiful aircraft , built for different mission statements which they both achieved brilliantly.
To compare is Apple's to Oranges.
Yes as you have stated both types were designed to different roles. The P 51 was an excellent long range escort fighter without which continued daylight strategic bombing would have been difficult if not impossible, and making an invaluable contribution to victory. The Spitfire was designed to the very opposite... It was an interceptor design to attack raids and deal with escort Fighters. The Spitfire of cause went on to for fill other role excellently. But the defence of Britain in the Summer of 1940, ensured victory.
There's nothing wrong with comparing apples to oranges - why not?
@@stumccabe
Didn't say there was anything wrong with it.
Exactly my thoughts, one is s shortish range dog fighter, one s long range escort. One turns inside and out climbs, one swoops and dives.( Only one had its own warning when spotted though.)
@@rogerduncan2603
Achtung Spitfire.
How could you pick just one?
They are gorgeous!
"A beautiful machine usually flyes beautifully" (A. Tupolev)
That's some fantastic low & fast flybys! Pity the radio couldn't have been turned off though.
Awesome, North American P-51C Mustang, Awesome, Supermarine Spitfire MkIXc, Like...
Antonio: The Brits did not use IX C they had the F LF HF
Jack Tallis... The "C" designation refers to the wing design. It is the first used "universal" wing...ie could be fitted with 8 guns(not used to best of my knowledge), 4 guns and 2 cannon(most common configuration like the "B" wing) or 4 Cannon (rarely used). Late version were equipped with the"e" wing which replaced the 4 0.303 guns with 2 50 cal, or 4 cannons.
The "HF"," F", and "LF" refers to the optimal altitude setting for a particular aircraft... HF had Merlin's optimised for high altitude ( over 35,000 ft)and may have pointed extended wings but not necessarily. F aircraft were "standard" configuration optimised for 15,000 to 30,000ft. Finally LF were low altitude fighters with Merlins suited to altitude below 20,000 ft and often with clipped wings.
So in short yes the RAF did use Spitfire HF/F/LF MkIXc .
@@keithyork7691 I will check thanks
@@keithyork7691 You are right thanks
@@jacktattis143 no problems Jack.
No doubt both are amazing. I love seeing these in our local airshows. Yak3 bf109 Zero Corsair 👍👍
Two most beautiful and no words about these man made birds there sound and there look
I am not a follower of air shows or anything, but I really appreciate being able to see (and hear) these two wonderful machines perform, and I thank the poster and the two pilots. At 09:41 do I hear two engines revving so close you can hear them beating?
Having been born in the early Fifties, I remember these two planes as ones a schoolboy would want to know about and admire. (Well, at least me and my later-to-be-called "geeky" friends.)
Isn’t that sound so good
Sounds better in a spit 😉
P51 and spitfire both fantastic aircraft both did there jobs well
lol they won the land war in fairness. spitfires with hurricanes with merlin engines saved the battle of Britain they gave a bridgehead to invade nazi held Europe the mustangs with merlin's could go all the way with bombers there and back and do there own missions on top
If it not for the Merlin the Mustang would never have served so well. Thank you Rolls Royce.
Well, it would, just with an Allison V1710.
No, the Allison at the time was not up to the job. so the Merlin had to be the choice.
But it was Packard that took the Rolls Royce to the next level, making a great engine even better!!
Sorry but it is you trying to re-write history. The Mustang was designed to use the Allison V-1710 engine (which had limited high-altitude performance in its earlier variants). The aircraft was first flown operationally by the Royal Air Force (RAF) as a tactical-reconnaissance aircraft and fighter-bomber (Mustang Mk I). Replacing the Allison with a Rolls-Royce Merlin resulted in the P-51B/C (Mustang Mk III) model and transformed the aircraft's performance at altitudes above 15,000 ft (4,600 m) (without sacrificing range),[8] allowing it to compete with the Luftwaffe's fighters.[9] The definitive version, the P-51D, was powered by the Packard V-1650-7, a license-built version of the two-speed two-stage-supercharged Merlin 66
@@SvenTviking V170 worked with older aircraft, but just wasn't powerful enough for the Mustang. That's why most Allison-engine P-51s were redesignated A-36 Apaches and used in a ground attack role. P-51As were, to my understanding, somewhat rare in dogfights, especially once the Merlin-equipped P-51Bs and Cs came around.
Brothers in arms at the end and to the end.
Why is the term "vs" used in the title, it didn't look like they were competing?
Bob, I agree; the term "vs" usually applies to a competition, but I think that in this instance the term was meant to be used rather loosely. Also, neither of these great fighters made any unusual maneuvers or acrobatics that any other fighters, or even some bombers of the WWll era, could not do. But I still loved watching and hearing these 2 iconic WWll fighters roaring around.
@@marbleman52 I loved the video too but I think that the term "vs" is really over used on youtube.
@@BDOutdoorsCanada Yes, and there is a news channel, Golden State Times, a conservative news channel, that uses headlines like this : "President Trump's SHOCKING news conference..." . The news conference was just an uneventful news conference by Trump with the usual and expected idiotic questions by the liberal press, but there was nothing "SHOCKING" about it at all. This channel does it for every video. Just because I am a conservative and this channel is apparently also conservative, that doesn't mean that I'm gonna let them slide for deliberately using a misleading and dishonest title. I have made my thoughts known on several of their videos but, and as I expected, I have never heard any response from them. Yea, I know that it's to hopefully increase the viewership and such, but it is still dishonest and misleading.
bOB: No ,if they were the Spitfire would leave in for dead in the climb roll and turn and on the deck the Spit was slightly faster but up at 25000 ft the P51 was the faster
@@jacktattis143 These two aircraft were not designed for the same role, the Spit was a defensive interceptor but the Mustangs attributes were such that it excelled at being a long range air superiority fighter. The Mustang was also designed 4 years after the Me 109, the Hurricane and the Spitfire first flew so North American had lots of time to study the world's best fighters before designing the mustang. Even then, they put an inferior engine in it and it still couldn't out fight the Spit!
By far the spitfire is my favorite aircraft but I still have great love for the mustang.
What two beautiful airplanes how can we even compare them ?!
Respect and honor for this scarified generation.
Nice tracking by the cameraman btw
Man those pilots were enjoying themselves. And beautifully shot too - a joy to watch.
im sure that the spitfire is probably one of the most globally recognised aircraft but it truly is a magnificent piece of engineering. proud british sip my badger bitter
Gorgeous.
Beautiful!
Great video,really nice detail on the aircraft.Love building models and good for reference.Thanks.
Both beautiful planes, but as an Englishman, I am sorry but I am biased for the Spit . It just looks and sounds more purposeful and menacing .
I would expect no less. As an American, I'm a Mustang fan, but that's not to take anything from the Spitfire. Also, we owe the Brits both for the idea of the Mustang and the engine that made it what it came to be after the Allison experiment failed.
Both great aircraft; both with Rolls Royce Merlin engines. the only difference was that the Mustang engine was made under licence from RR by Packard.
@@jamesmartin9401 ; Agreed. The Mustang is an `awesome` creation, and was very highly regarded in GB WWII, but the Spitfire is deeply ingrained in British iconography, having been created almost single handed by the genius Mitchell, dying from cancer and desperately working to get this plane ready for the coming troubles. Up close, and in the air it never fails to put a chill in the back, as does the Hurricane. I would love to see a play off between a Mosquito or Whirlwind and that other great US fighter, the Lightning.
@@Shoshun2 ; Both create the very best man-made sounds. Mechanical poetry.
How could the Spitfire sound differently? They had the same engine!
Seeing them flying side by side in the video's thumbnail you notice how near identical their noses look, makes sense as the engine is the same.
The Spitfire is my favorite warrior and Warbird to every own besides the Mighty P-51 Mustang
A Mustang and a Spitfire. Both names are a type of a wild or spirited horse.
The spitfire was named after Robert Mcleans daughter, tomboys were known as spitfires in those days, Mitchell wasn't happy, he wanted to call it the shrew
Shrew? Maybe he really wanted to name it after his wife? ;)
@@rafsmith1993 goddamn now that is funny!!!
@@watsondove849 Yes, as a matter of fact, when Mitchell heard that the RAF had chosen the name Spitfire he said, "That's just the sort of silly name they WOULD give it!"
@fifthof BUT MUSTANG is an American name of the wild free roaming horses of the southwest western USA !!!
Great catch. Not sure how many B model Mustangs are still flying but can't be many. Nice looking Spit too. You guys always deliver. Thanks for sharing.
Lope's Hope is a P-51C although the only differences in the B and C are the factory they were made in. There are some great videos of Kermit Week's P-51C (also videos of his D model) on his youtube channel.
@@ginacalabrese3869 You're right about difference in B and C model Mustangs. Same plane but B model was assembled in Los Angeles; C model was assembled in Dallas, Texas.
@@gregmctevia5087 inglewood and dallas*
@@donoteventry4298 that's right Inglewood. I seem to recall that North American stored finished Mutsangs waiting for transfer on the grounds of Hollywood Park race track which was closed for the duration of WWII. Hollywood Park has now been demolished and is the sight of the new stadium for the Rams and the Chargers.
Man, do i love the old war-birds! Thanks for sharing, and greets from the Netherlands! T.
My thanks to the men who piloted these war birds to provide us freedom today.
I'm wondering which of the old war birds actually make the best aerobatic planes ?
This week I bought an RC Spitfire and I'm happily surprised at how well it performs aerobatics.
lw216316 maybe a Policarpov I-15 or I-16, if you want monoplanes then A6M or Spitfire.
@@HawkerMkIII not very fond of RC biplanes, a guy at our club has the Zero,
so looks like I am blessed it was a used Spitfire that I bought - she is doing very well at the aerobatics I've tried so far.
Lucky and priviliged. The Spitfire is built to be aerobatic, it had to be, to counter the brilliant M109's. Good luck with her.
If you want roll rate Fw190 followed by Clipped wing Spitfire, Dive always Spit, Turn Zero or Hurricane Climb rate at zero feet Spitfire /Tempest Acceleration down low Spitfire and Tempest.
Thanks guys for such amazing performance and keep This passion Alive best of luck from Carlos Portugal
Awesome airplanes!
Why on earth are there 29 dislikes?! I wasn’t aware there were 29 people in all the world who would dislike seeing an early Mustang display followed by a beautifully flown Spitty, must be horse people on the wrong channel
I've always felt the Mustang was the result of a Spitfire and BF109 having a night of angry drunken unprotected sex and the Spit decided to keep it
😂 Nice one
🤣🤣🤣I'm glad it did keep it!! 👍👍👍👍👍
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
You can see why they wanted to bang so badly. That engine sound could make anyone hard
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Great sound!!!
They have the same type of piston engine's right.
More than that, the Rolls Royce Merlin transformed the sluggish Allison powered Mustang from being a very average late WW2 aircraft into a top 5 aircraft. Excellent planes though.
yes the P51 had a Packard Merlin and the Spit had an original Merlin
@@Gez492 Popular, but wrong. The Allison equipped Mustangs were excellent from the start, but because they only had a single stage supercharger, they did not have the necessary high altitude performance to escort bombers. Remember, early war Merlins also only had single stage superchargers. Using the same design of supercharger on the Allison engine would have had a very similar result. More information here: ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/what-was-the-problem-with-the-allison-engine.29243/
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The Allison engine Mustang lacked performance at low altitude as well, it was not slow but it had poor acceleration and climb, that is compared to the single stage supercharged Merlin engine.
@@yosemite-e2v The historical fact is that the Mustang would never have achieved the appreciation it did, had they not opted for the merlin. It would have failed and become just another mediocre US aircraft. Instead it is a legend.
I can’t split them. Nothing but admiration for those who flew them in anger during WWll.
Great video. Two great fighters. The Spitfire, hands down is the most graceful fighter design of all time, an absolutely gorgeous aircraft. Watching the aerobatics demo here, my instinct is that the P51C is better at "boom & Zoom"; the P51 picks up dive speed quicker and zooms to the top of the loop a bit quicker. The Spitfire, however seems much more nimble, with a better fine level of control by the skilled pilot.
Yep fully agree with you. No matter what airshow you go in the uk it goes silent when the spitfire arrive .
63DW89A The Mustang is heavier and more aerodynamic so yes it dives faster and more speeds means it will climb faster also !!!
@@wilburfinnigan2142 Not correct Wilbur P51 initial climb rate 3475 ft/min MkIX Spit 4800ft/min Mk VIII 5400 ft/min
This is about as cool as it gets.
I thought the Spitfire had a problem inverting completely because of it's carburetor ? Or just the early version ?
Only the Mk1 after that they had direct fuel injection and the problem was solved
@@Shoshun2 Damn I didn't know that
Hate to rain on the parade, but the ME 109 shot down more aircraft than any other in battle.
Aussie Deplorable what does this have to do with the conversation
@@aussiedeplorable8670
Mostly in the East, in the West they had to face the Spitfire, also there were more Bf 109's than any other WW II fighter. There is also the slight problem of German records being released which show many of their claims were false.
These two guys make a better job of it than I do putting my bloody socks on!
Yes both plane are amazing I wish I could fly or owned both but I know it's a very expensive hobby but it's the greatest hobby it hurts so much that could probably never have the chance to fly those war birds
Both great, classy planes but (and I speak as a Brit) the P51 had the edge - remember though it came along a decade after the first Spitfire.
The real star of the show though? The cameraman. This was the best airshow video I've seen - for that many thanks.
A decade? The first Spitfire entered service with the RAF in 1938. The Mustang MkI entered service with the RAF in 1941. I have no idea where you got the information that these two airplanes are 10 years apart.
The basic difference was that the Mustang had a lower drag semi laminar flow wing, so it could fly further and was faster on the same engine horsepower. A P51D was about 35mph faster than a Spitfire IX with virtually the same engine and had much longer range, although the Spit was not fitted with the rear fuselage tank fitted to the Mustang, the tank was unnecessary for the Spit’s later war role, air superiority over the battlefield rather than long range escort and air superiority over Germany. The Spit could out turn the Mustang and Griffon engined Spitfires were as fast and climbed much faster. The last Spitfire model, the Seafire 47, went 450mph and had similar range to the P51D, although the fastest piston engined fighter of the war was the P51H at 480-490mph.
@@PoochAndBoo The spitfire was first ordered in 1934 to a design from 1932. The P51 in 1940 so no it wasn't a decade but either 6 or 8 years depending on your point of view. You really must excuse me from further discussion but I find entering into conversations with querulous little turds like you quite nauseating.
@@SvenTviking
Not quite it was not the wing which gave the P 51 higher speed or range, the P 51 had a different radiator for cooling that helped for speed and the range was because it carried a lot more fuel, also some Spitfire Mk IX had rear fuselage tanks which gave up to 75 gallons extra, some also had extra fuel in the wings and I do not make 442 mph 35 mph more than 418.8 mph which the Spitfire achieved in 1943, the Spitfire Mk IX also had better acceleration and climb than the P 51 and went higher.
The P 51 H which was too late for the war had some issues, in 1945 when flight tested it could not get over 450 mph, after much work a year later they still had problems and reached 451 mph
arthur lewis how is 1938 to 1940 a decade ????? New math ????
i wish they had hawker tempests in flying condition,my favourite ww2 fighter plane
There's 2 being rebuilt currently aside each other in UK- mk 1 and 2.
Totally agreed 😊
@@bigglesmcg great news, i think this great fighter plabe is very underrated
@HiWetcam Recently, I got up close and personal with a Sabre engine in a museum in Nelson, New Zealand. My gods! That thing is a monster!
I have an audio track of a Sabre starting up, taxiing, take-off and high-speed fly-by. I'm hoping to hear the real thing one day.
(I'm also hoping to see someone walk on Mars. I wonder which will come first)
And its close relative the typhoon too
Great camera work.
...since you're doing this mostly down on the deck, throw a P-40 in the mix, and you'll be impressed... :)
They rebuild quite a few P40"s here in NZ, Keith Skilling rates it as a favourite in handling down low, really quick roll rate and easy to fly,
The RNZAF had them in mass during ww2 so we have quite a soft spot for them.
Yet the Spitfire was better at any height.
@@barrierodliffe4155 NOT !!!! The P40 had the best roll rate of any fighter !!! Period !!!
Mesmerising display.. very nicely done by both pilots 👌🏼
I first heard the grunt of a Spitfire at an Air show at Swartkops South Africa.
Reminded me of an old Ford with no exhaust manifold....
Speaking of Ford Henry Ford actually developed an aluminum V12 60° dual overhead cam aircraft engine that was better than the Merlin but the government didn't want to go with it because it was already obligated to other contracts at the time. That and all the mechanics and spare parts that were already in the field for Allison and the Merlin engines.
@@jonadam5392 No Henry copied the Merlin illegally when he was asked to build the Merlin and had the drawings copied . The US Government rightly turned him down Otherwise the Ford company would have faced a almighty court case.In both countries
Two Queens of cool. Bravo
I have flown many aircraft... But the Mustang will always be my favorite
My grandfather was a Mustang pilot in WW2... My father was a missile guy (Hawk) 6th Batt in Vietnam, and I was a 1 alpha 7 door gunner in Iraq and Afghanistan... my grandpa had the best job.
Those two airplanes won WWII
Actually the battle of Britain was won with the hawker hurricane
Andre Robert Drouin Actually no, you’re clamping down on part of the story. The usual scoop is that popular media promotes the Spit and ignores the Hurri. As far as actual history, there were more Hurris, but the Spit was there too and fought just as hard.
@@andrerobertdrouin3642 you know the war went on after that, right?
Not saying the Hurricane was not an amazing airplane but it was outshone by the Spitfire and Mustang.
@@bazonka1 I do think that the hurricane is rather underrated though. I mean it saved our countries arse many a time
Without the spitfire the British would have lost the Battle of Britain. Don't get me wrong but the Hurricane was an amazing airplane too
Beautiful Charlie model P-51! Didn't any of those were still flying
Fantastic aircraft fantastic video but my most favorite aircraft is still the spit!!
Clearly, one wouldn't really exist without the invention and design of the other Mustang became a great aircraft too though
To true they are both Fantastic aircraft tho I love them both!!
Except for the Mosquito ! ;-)
This is such an awesome video two plane flown how they should have been awesome
Spitfire is easily my favorite plane but the early mustangs looked so much better than the more recent ones
Seemingly the spitfire got its name by accident, when testing the guns, it set fire to the target...... Some smart ass said it looked like it was spitting fire, and a legend was born.
Not true One of the designers had a very willful daughter and she was called a Spitfire
P-51 is way fast.
But the roles of these aircraft are so different.
Then again, in the Pacific theatre, get engaged with a Zero, watch your ass. They are like butterflies. Never turn against one.
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Nice flying, so clean !!!! Love it !!!!
Mustang very nice but nothing compares to a Spit.
Wow ... great stuff!
How does the Corsair compare at yankin' and bankin' with the Mustang and the Spitfire?
this plane is original or modern replika ?
Mirek Replika ???? What the fuk !!!! These BOTH are restored original planes !!!!
Awesome video as always thank you for your duty at the airshows. It's a rough job and you do it very well. Always watching ✌️😎 ✌️
Duas lendas.
the pilot in that spit turns it like a dime 2 amazing pilots 2 amazing aircraft. The Story of the Spitfire is the most fascinating financially funded story of an aircraft, EVER! LONG LIVE THE BRIT CAPITALISTS!
Actually it had government backing. Rolls Royce and Dowding and Chamberlain knew it was going to be a winner.
What model Mustang? A-B-C. No teardrop canopy.
TYPE C
No "whistle" on the Mustang? Strange...
Smooth leading edge on the wings, it's the gun ports / barrels that whistle.
only the D/K models had the whistle this is the earlier C modelless guns !!!
I'm a Mustang guy but I'd give the edge to the Spit, in this one.
A Great Video! I'm So Glad You Used The Natural Sounds & Not Some BS Music. I Would Like To Know How Accurate Lope's Hope Livery Is. I've Read Don Lopez's Two Autobiographies Many Times & Recommend Both To All Who Love Aviation . . .
You can’t compare them they’re built for different things. The Spitfire was originally meant for intercepting enemy aircraft while the P51 was a long range fighter aircraft.
The P 51 was not built as a long range fighter, in fact it did not have the range or performance to escort bombers until 1944.
Barrie Rodliffe But they could carry extra fuel under the wings I believe which I think the spitfire couldn’t
@@RyanTheHero3
Spitfires from the Mk V could carry up to 170 gallons in a drop tank, that was well before the P 51 had any provision for drop tanks.
@@barrierodliffe4155 BULL$HIT !!!!! Mustang had twice the internal fuel then add the wing tanks !!! And the P51A's the Allison version are pictured in Mustangs in Action with drop tanks to escort medium bomber, as altitude was no problem !!!! DUUUHHH !!!
Both these aircraft are fantastic in terms of performance.
One has better performance, much better acceleration and climb, better service ceiling, better maneuverability, higher dive speed and it is the smaller lighter of the two. The other had very poor performance until it got the Rolls Royce Merlin engine.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Mustang Never used a RR Merlin engine !!!! ALL Merlin powered Mustangs in production used ONLY the PACKARD Built in AMERICA Merlin, different version !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!!
If it weren't for these magnificent machines, the war would have had a different outcome.
Ahhh the wonderful sounds of freedom in the air
So cool !!!!
What causes the difference in engine sound from the P-51B and the Spitfire? Is it the supercharger or propeller? It is the same Merlin engine isn’t it?
Súper cool
Wow! What a Prestige aircraft with the roaring sound of a Merlin Engine flying pass you at 449 miles n hour is a good feeling
05:50 There are few sights in aviation more evocative than the shape of the Spitfire wing.
In the opinion of some aviation fans...
10:24 There we go! That's worth the time spent watching this video, right there.
It's funny how despite both planes being rr merlin engined that the spit still sounded smoother to the ear.
lashah ALL Mustangs used the PACKARD Made in America version, and yes they were different why they sound different, Mustang was meaner
Rien que le bruit du moteur du spit j'ai envie de pleurer 😢tellement c'est beau ! Merci beaucoup pour tout ça 👍😘🌹🌹🌹🇫🇷
Emotional , beautiful and exotic to watch