Cheers. I think most fans get that. It was just disappointing to see two better-than-expected performances and then a genuinely bad one. We’ll get there.
I was all for keeping our powder dry and waiting for the summer, but now I think we have to bring a couple of new faces in as we look absolutely toothless.
Luis impressed me, the whole game we struggled to break the midfield Luis comes on takes it through two palace players and we go on break. He definitely has quality
It's better than that... off the ball Guilherme has crazy good range. You can tell, especially defensively, he's a bit timid. Time on the pitch will help.
I watched Bournemouth destroy Newcastle earlier and the contrast between their squad and ours is insane. They've got explosive pace & energy all over the pitch whereas we have snail pace players who can't even run past players or drive the ball forward.
Pace is crucial in the premiership, and apart from a few players we lack pace defensively, in the midfield and in attack. Steidten obviously didn’t consider this to be a vital quality in the transfer window, apart from AWB and Summerville. Potter highlighted the team looked leggy and second to the ball today , and I don’t feel it’s all down to tiredness because of the amount of games played over a short period, I just feel they got outdone for pace on a number of occasions.
100% agree about our lack of pace. I watched Bournemouth too and during the game kept thinking about the contrast between them and us. It’s not just Bournemouth; we are the slowest team in the Premier League
None of this is Potter’s fault. It’s Sullivan to blame. This squad has been criminally mismanaged and the recruitment has been nothing short of horrific. The overall strategy of this club is literally just to exist within the prem but I’ve said this before that we can only ride our luck before we find ourselves in the bottom 3.
@@akwamarsunzal Steidten, Lopetegui and Sullivan all responsible. What kind of well run club has a transfer committee pulling in different directions? Sullivan is the orchestrator of this though, make no mistake. We’ve seen it with Big Sam, Moyes etc.
Scarles - for me is now our starting left back offered so much more than Emerson going forward and was more solid defensively. Orford - has shown he could play instead of Guido. Guilherme - there’s a player there and with a run in the side and a bit of licence to get things wrong could be a wonderful player.
Really well thought out balanced review Gonzo. It was not good today but neither was it a disaster. The mistakes and the lack of energy are fixable. We clearly lack creativity and that is a key issue.
Also agree. We are going to have our bumps along the way for the rest of this season. I think the very best thing Potter did today was inject youth in the 2nd half... when it was clear we did not have energy and really didn't impose a scoring threat.
A back three at West Ham hasn't worked since Moyes' first tenure, when we had Rice, Ogbonna and Cresswell at the back, and just about stayed in the Prem. If I were, Potter I'd stick with a back four till the end of the season (maybe sometimes switching to a three during a match) and leave the major surgery to the summer. Just play pragmatic, horses-for-courses football and try to get as many points as we can.
Realistically we have lost our entire front line apart from Kudus. What are a team of defenders and mids gonna do really. Its not gonna pretty for a while, once the attack is back on the pitch well see better stuff. COYIs
Let’s not forget todibo too , once he’s back defence will be better and todibo is good at driving the ball up the pitch we just desperately need a energetic midfielder too our attack when fully fit is no problem at all Summerville Bowen and kudus all have a lot of pace
Mountain to climb for Potter. That was a relegation performance. Screaming at Kilman to put a challenge in against Mateta. Said it twice I'll say it thrice, the man is allergic to a slide tackle. Need Todibo back as Mavro is just shocking too. Absolutely right about the youth players, would have started them all including Guilherme. Good thing with starting with Scarles would mean Emerson could temporarily play LW until Summerville is back.
Pound for pound Kilman has to be up there with the club's worst ever signing. If we paid 15 mil he would be ok. But we have overpaid for a poor premier League centre back who doesn't like to defend or impose himself on the attackers
Great that Potter used the kids. Finally. He‘s three games in and he is already using Scarles, now Orfy and young Luis. Bring back George Earthy from Bristol City as well. Do we have the possibility to bring Ward-Prowse back? He probably won’t want to come given how Forest are doing but I would rather have him with us than some of the others. Mavrapanos is a liability. He can play well but you know he will drop it at anytime. Plus his distribution is appalling. He isn’t Premier League. Simple as. Today I didn’t even get angry at the TV. No point. He’s got mostly square pegs for round holes just now. I wanted Potter from the start. Once Moyesball became a low block 23% possession borefest it was clear his time was done. No youth players coming through, just same old same old. Julen upped the possession but changing 4 years of Moyes tactics in 6 months was never gonna happen. We now need another defender, midfielder and a striker clearly. With what West Ham will pay they should try for Tim Kleindienst from Gladbach or Patrik Schick from Leverkusen. They are apparently chasing Silva from Leipzig but he isn’t doing anything for them and hasn’t for some time. Johnny Burkhardt from Mainz 05 would suit us really well, but Bayern are after him so that will probably put Sullivan off. I don’t see too many more points in January. It could turn into a relegation fight if the don’t get the right bodies in quickly. Classic West Ham isn’t it. Wasted so much time and talent.
Dinos is unfortunately the perfect example of how you can be built like an athlete and have a career in the modern game. His positional sense is so poor, he only offers the odd rabbit in headlights burst from the back, makes continuous silly mistakes. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, however he’s not a Premier League footballer. On half a seasons evidence Kilman isn’t much better. Better with his feet and you can tell there’s a football brain there, but he’s not aggressive enough, lumbers around - at his best when he’s sliding in for a last gasp block. Not the sign of a top defender. Scarles looks like a player - good ability, brave, needs games now. As a team however, injury ravaged, leggy, basic. Potter has a very big job on his hands over the coming windows
If we are leggy now what were we like when we were playing 12 European games a season for the last 3 years? Many of these players were not even there for that.
@ most of the teams in that were like playing League 2 opposition. More leggy in that there’s no penetration, the vast majority of players in our squad are slow. If we were in Europe this year we would’ve have gotten out of a group
We are desperate for young skillfull players with energy yet these managers only give him 10 minutes, not enough time to get up to the pace of the game, is this being done on purpose through other influences so Steidtens players are hindered from showcasing themselves, he needs at least 45 mins, especially after seeing what we had on the pitch today ⚒
Only so much tactical acumen can do to patch up weaknesses our pedestrian central defence and midfield offer and no striker option. Think we must look at some January window transfers. A week before Villa is just as well given work required on and off training pitch.
Totally agree with all the injuries, squad in decline, potter has it worse that JLo with the players he’s had to work with added by a leaky defence and a sloth like midfield and non existent striker, we just have to carry on use the rest of the season as a pre season add a few in this window and plan for the new season in August.
It's been obvious for a long time that it's the midfield that needs addressing not necessarily the defence. Speed and creativity is needed. I also think both our keepers are shot Fab is 40 isn't he? New keeper needed as well I think.
Everything happens for a reason....... By August, some of our senior players will have left (or retired). If it's possible to blend a few of our youngsters with Bowen, Summerville, Wan-Bissaka and whoever is staying - plus some new signings - then that has to be the way forward. Have faith...... Potter will sort it out.
We were awful and I think some of the lack of atmosphere was a result of seeing the line up, the lack of options Potter had on the bench and resigning ourselves to a very tough afternoon, and so it played out. Maybe this was a game too far after the efforts against Fulham and Potter has had very little time to really look at what the players can and can't do on the training pitch. He learnt a lot this afternoon. We so need players in...and Killman is not a £40m defender !
The primary thing right now is for Potter to do enough to avoid relegation. With a depleted team, I'm not sure fans should be surprised to see an occasional lethargic performance. I don't think it's lost on Potter that we're old and slow. I'd prefer Potter continue his evaluation of players... and if he feels we should keep our powder dry in this transfer window, we should very well do just that and wait until summer. I also still believe some of our players will improve markedly as confidence in roles improves.
Before people jump on Kilman for not tackling Mateta - he did everything correct. He closed the angle, making the goal a third its size. The rest is down to Fabianski, should have done better to protect near post.
The plan looked like we were set up to get to half time at nil nil then bring on Soler for some creativity. Unfortunately as we often do we conceded early in the second half. Mav makes many errors that sometimes he gets away with and sometimes it costs us. He did have a good game up until his dismissal. Kudus amd and AWB were our only options going forward. Until Scarles came on. As you rightly say, we cannot be starting Soucek, Alverez and Rodders in midfield. Its suicide. Deathly slow.
When saw line up was obviously going to be to slow midfield nothing going forward i heard soler did not start because he had bit off knock but was on bench , definitely need another central back and midfielder striker and probably more
Gonzo what choice did Potter have with the card she was dealt, Solar had a knock from the Fulham game so they didn’t take a chance on him. Looking at that starting 11 only 4 would be here in the summer. Potter has been here a week
There was no pace to get behind Palace so slow in buildup . They smothered our one threat in Kudus . As soon as he had the ball there was three around him . Sticking like shit to blanket . Soon as they scored game was won never looked like scoring . Really good press by Palace the whole 90mins deserved win
Not expecting a response but you previously have said that the club should not make a signing this window and wait till summer but I feel we should make an offer for Gomes and David now rather than wait. Im a season ticket holder and I dont want to go through another awful season and without signing Potter doesn’t stand a chance. When Moyes went and Floppy came in I gave the club one more chance and now can see renewing if we just go through the motions.
Looking at the state of our bench today, is nothing short of criminal. Given the club are charging us top dollar for tickets, the way they spend our money is disgraceful.
The board have got to act quickly to rescue this season, as Potter is working with barebones. Summerville and Bowen along with Fullkrug and Antonio is a huge loss. As good as Paqueta and Kudus are they are playing in a team that is currently very unbalanced. The Villa game first half gave me hope, but that was primarily down to the pace of Summerville supported by AWB and Kudus , but we had none of that today.Desperately need a striker or two and ball carrying midfielder . Good to see Potter using the youngsters who done fine.
if he didn’t know it already,potter has a huge job on his hands, midfield of destroyers with 0 creativity means the struggles will last all season unless proper players are recruited, it looks awful out there,laboured & negative,in my 40 years of supporting this club now has to be the worst for both quality & effort,no commitment whatsoever,team of lightweights hopefully get binned off in the summer
Potter said Soler had a little niggle this week in training thats why he didn't start and if wasn't for how crap we were I don't think he would have come on, we need Todibo back in defense and Mav sitting out and I honestly think Areola needs to be back in between the sticks
I doubt Potter would sacrifice a game to impress upon Sullivan that we need signings, but if he were to do that, I suspect that is what it would look like.
How this squad has got like this is utter incompetence . It's old, bad and most of the time disinterested. How much money has been spent on these has beens. Potter knew what he was coming into but didn't really have any options. Sullivan, moyes, lopetegi and steidtman have together ruined this squad. It so bad it stinks. What chance has potter got? None.
@@LeafBurrower another slow midfielder but is 100 times better then what we have plus also he knows the game inside out, has a good footballing brain. Example look at pirlo no pace what so ever.
Who'd have known, when looking at that starting team, that not only would we not score , we'd not even get a shot on target. What utter dross. Bored to tears.
Not your fault Gonzo but Potter said Soler was not 100%. If we has I am sure he would have started because him and Pacqueta are our only creative midfields
I think our two CB’s are no good. Both need replacing and the midfield needs a complete rebuild. As it stands we have (when all fit) four maybe five players at a push that are good enough for the PM. That’s not including the youth where I’m sure we have some diamonds
It was truly awful. We were completely played off the park. Any WHU possession went precisely nowhere. Talk already of doubting Potter? For goodness sake; ridiculous. But this game has exposed the multiple West Ham deficiencies
It's now down to Sullivan to get his hand in his pocket next week. This shit side is down to Moyes/Lopetegui combined. Potter NEEDS help ASAP to start to create some stability and rebuild.
The whole set up of this club is so wrong. Please Sullivan put up the club for sale. Never had good owners going back to the sixties and hence same with managers/coaches. The fan base has been starved of consistency.
Need Bowen and Summerville back asap once there back our attack will be good Bowen up top do say especially if we don’t sign a striker , Summerville left forward kudus right forward then possibly Paqueta and soucek midfield . This is if we don’t make more singings if we do where is everyone actually going to play ??
This is also if he used the 5 at the back formation if 4 at the back then another midfielder to add to Paqueta and soucek in midfield then Bowen up top and Summerville and kudus wingers
Abysmal. Didn't help that Rob Green slagged us off for 90 minutes on the live feed I watched. This is beyond a problem of who's available to play. It's about player attitude. For example every time we had the ball there was a swarm of Palace players around us closing us down. Kudos was being triple marked and at times had 4 players around him. Despite that, he played well. Conversely, when Palace had the ball, we stood off. We have a history of letting the opposition play but this was something else. Potter has a lot of work to do in getting the players to close down the opposition when they have possession. Kudus and AWB were stand out performers for us, brilliant. Alvarez (attitude) & Mavropanos (abaility) need to go. I don't blame Fabianski for the pen - he actually nearly saved it. COYI ⚒
I thought people would be giving GP a free hit for the next 8 months as it’s pretty much a pre season for him , I blame Steidten, Sullivan & Lop For essentially wasting 120M+ just imagine if GP had that all to use. People are being well negative towards him even when they know the current problems GP faces 🤔
Massive downfall since we won the conference league. Between moyes and loppy our team is awful. Feel for potter, really hope he does well. But the team is fucked. Right this year off and judge him on next season. Lot of players need to go. Some big names aswell, kilman is so bad. 40 mil!! Wouldn’t mind seeing the back of kudos now if I’m honest
Potter has to take some blame in this, although he's on the list behind Moyes,Lopetegui and Sullivan however Potter chose this team today, why change a winning side. Everything we did well against Fulham was non existent today. We had no control as Soler was dropped, we had no pace as Cresswell was selected above Scarles. Yes Potter is working with a poor injury ridden squad however he could have helped himself a bit more today. Players that shifting in the summer (we have been saying some of these players have needed selling for 4 windows) Coufal, Cresswell, Rodriguez, Mavrapanos, Emerson, Soucek, Fabianski (poss even Areola), Ings, Kilman. We spent 75 million on CB's and our defence is pony, whether Mav or Todibo is in the side we are still pony.
Slower than a slow thing in midfield transition awkward and unwieldy in defence unsurprisingly toothless going forward the recruitment has been a clusterfuck that’s all on the board Moyes and floppy. Potter has been there a couple of weeks he’s no doubt still watching learning and making decisions it says a lot when our youngsters look among the best players we’ve got despite his name he’s not a magician he’s going to need time and money. A lot of it.
Slow squad with very few ball players. Not built for the modern era and woefully exposed if you remove a few players. Kudus was well handled and Paq needs to be deeper to release his creativity. Never want to see Soucek, Guido and Alvarez start in midfield together again. Palace are a decent team and should be higher in the league really, we're pony. Much work to do for Potter, so let's see how he responds next game. Should've learned a lot there 😂
Exactly..we didn't need Kilman he's crap Wolves robbed us of 40 million...that's on Lopetegui the worst manager in WH's history. Rodriguez,Alvarez are dogshite..as for Mavropanos...these players are dreadful lucky there are worse teams or this lot would go down..
Hammers fans are pinning alot of their hopes on Potter to change the teams fortunes,but judging by the starting lineup it might be the hope that kills everyones confidence, shocking!!! Did anybody really expect a positive outcome once they had laid eyes on the terrible team selection with the mish mash of players choosen to start, absolutely awful & what the hell was Potter thinking? or maybe wasn't thinking at all, ridiculous!!! 🤔???=💩✔️💯%....☹️⚽👎
Hi Gonzo I know some people my tank I was all four Julian I didn't think the performance of God under him we had some good win against Newcastle some good drawers He was sacked after 19 games no problem who's the team if we play like that from here on in Graham Potter should be judged on the same half of the season I'm not saying I want him sacked for today's performance what is bad has any game Julian Graham Potter knows exactly what he's doing playing all these youngsters we have nobody else and he is trying to win over the fans The youngsters should be giving all the chances now because we have nothing to play for no problem using these young players I know we have a lot of interest and we need to buy in But we have a bigger problem done this transfer window We have a lot of players out of contract shortly so really yes it's a big job and he has to concentrate on the window at the moment but he should be looking further down the road as well I think he should be judged Honda shine amount of games because it's exactly 18 games left and I know we will probably win against Ipswich Southampton Leicester We might have done with the previous manager We just don't have it we just don't have it and now we will have to play a young centre back next week is John Claude is not fit I'm not against Graham Potter in any way hope he does well for us the fans.... I think West Ham's problems are bigger Julian we're just not a good team Anyway kind regards Irish JP
Brighton fan - For the first half a season we called Potter the ‘tinker man’.
He needs time to put his system in place.
Let him cook.
100% he needs to try everyone and make his own mind on players from close up. He has this season to do it then judge him next season
Cheers. I think most fans get that. It was just disappointing to see two better-than-expected performances and then a genuinely bad one. We’ll get there.
That's if Sullivan will let him. Sullivan is no Tony Bloom.
Yep. He desves time..and investment. It might be smart not to buy january,but we do need loanees
@@ultra5057 As far as managers go, Sullivan won't sack a manager until the fans turn.
I was all for keeping our powder dry and waiting for the summer, but now I think we have to bring a couple of new faces in as we look absolutely toothless.
Yeah, I'm the same mate, we need fresh faces but like you I was willing to wait but something needs to be done this window.
Thanks for the £ mate
Use the youth players FFS costs nothing with way less risk then spending millions on rejects
Luis impressed me, the whole game we struggled to break the midfield Luis comes on takes it through two palace players and we go on break. He definitely has quality
It's better than that... off the ball Guilherme has crazy good range. You can tell, especially defensively, he's a bit timid. Time on the pitch will help.
He and Scarles were the 2 players looking to find space, everyone else was a bit static.
I watched Bournemouth destroy Newcastle earlier and the contrast between their squad and ours is insane. They've got explosive pace & energy all over the pitch whereas we have snail pace players who can't even run past players or drive the ball forward.
Depressing reading! Wasn't able to watch the game but it sounds like pathetic is the only way to describe our performance!
We beat Newcastle at their place, too, but we had Bowen, Antonio, and Summerville starting.
Pace is crucial in the premiership, and apart from a few players we lack pace defensively, in the midfield and in attack. Steidten obviously didn’t consider this to be a vital quality in the transfer window, apart from AWB and Summerville. Potter highlighted the team looked leggy and second to the ball today , and I don’t feel it’s all down to tiredness because of the amount of games played over a short period, I just feel they got outdone for pace on a number of occasions.
Who appointed Steidten? Not Sullivan… he would have applied his ‘must have prem experience’ rule
100% agree about our lack of pace. I watched Bournemouth too and during the game kept thinking about the contrast between them and us. It’s not just Bournemouth; we are the slowest team in the Premier League
None of this is Potter’s fault. It’s Sullivan to blame. This squad has been criminally mismanaged and the recruitment has been nothing short of horrific. The overall strategy of this club is literally just to exist within the prem but I’ve said this before that we can only ride our luck before we find ourselves in the bottom 3.
Not Steidten then? 🤔
Steidten?
Sullivan didn't pick that attrocious MF, Potter did. He could have picked the same MF as he did vs Fulham but he didn't.
The only saving grace is that there are 3/4 really poor teams in the Premier League this season. Otherwise I be really worried.
@@akwamarsunzal Steidten, Lopetegui and Sullivan all responsible. What kind of well run club has a transfer committee pulling in different directions? Sullivan is the orchestrator of this though, make no mistake. We’ve seen it with Big Sam, Moyes etc.
Scarles - for me is now our starting left back offered so much more than Emerson going forward and was more solid defensively.
Orford - has shown he could play instead of Guido.
Guilherme - there’s a player there and with a run in the side and a bit of licence to get things wrong could be a wonderful player.
How long did LG get on the pitch today ??
It’s very positive Potter had brought these lads in its based on merit too it’s no nepotism
Play them all what's the worst can happen!
Agreed
Very much agreed. And Gonzo had a decent read on the young group, except for Guilherme who I thought was timid but showed great range.
Really well thought out balanced review Gonzo. It was not good today but neither was it a disaster. The mistakes and the lack of energy are fixable. We clearly lack creativity and that is a key issue.
Totally agree. It was boring as hell first half but we didn't look like we were going to concede.
Also agree. We are going to have our bumps along the way for the rest of this season. I think the very best thing Potter did today was inject youth in the 2nd half... when it was clear we did not have energy and really didn't impose a scoring threat.
A back three at West Ham hasn't worked since Moyes' first tenure, when we had Rice, Ogbonna and Cresswell at the back, and just about stayed in the Prem. If I were, Potter I'd stick with a back four till the end of the season (maybe sometimes switching to a three during a match) and leave the major surgery to the summer. Just play pragmatic, horses-for-courses football and try to get as many points as we can.
Orford made some really nice passes. He also took some defenders on. I say he played better than many of our seniors.
Realistically we have lost our entire front line apart from Kudus. What are a team of defenders and mids gonna do really. Its not gonna pretty for a while, once the attack is back on the pitch well see better stuff. COYIs
Let’s not forget todibo too , once he’s back defence will be better and todibo is good at driving the ball up the pitch we just desperately need a energetic midfielder too our attack when fully fit is no problem at all Summerville Bowen and kudus all have a lot of pace
I was giving Mavrapanos a chance but he's done! Need a least a center forward and center back desperately to salvage this season!
Mountain to climb for Potter. That was a relegation performance. Screaming at Kilman to put a challenge in against Mateta. Said it twice I'll say it thrice, the man is allergic to a slide tackle. Need Todibo back as Mavro is just shocking too. Absolutely right about the youth players, would have started them all including Guilherme. Good thing with starting with Scarles would mean Emerson could temporarily play LW until Summerville is back.
Bottom of the table performance
Pound for pound Kilman has to be up there with the club's worst ever signing. If we paid 15 mil he would be ok. But we have overpaid for a poor premier League centre back who doesn't like to defend or impose himself on the attackers
@@hi-tech55 Haha, Southampton won't get as many points as we have now all season.
Loppys No 1 ‘must have’ player?
Great that Potter used the kids. Finally. He‘s three games in and he is already using Scarles, now Orfy and young Luis. Bring back George Earthy from Bristol City as well.
Do we have the possibility to bring Ward-Prowse back? He probably won’t want to come given how Forest are doing but I would rather have him with us than some of the others. Mavrapanos is a liability. He can play well but you know he will drop it at anytime. Plus his distribution is appalling. He isn’t Premier League. Simple as.
Today I didn’t even get angry at the TV. No point. He’s got mostly square pegs for round holes just now. I wanted Potter from the start. Once Moyesball became a low block 23% possession borefest it was clear his time was done. No youth players coming through, just same old same old. Julen upped the possession but changing 4 years of Moyes tactics in 6 months was never gonna happen.
We now need another defender, midfielder and a striker clearly. With what West Ham will pay they should try for Tim Kleindienst from Gladbach or Patrik Schick from Leverkusen. They are apparently chasing Silva from Leipzig but he isn’t doing anything for them and hasn’t for some time. Johnny Burkhardt from Mainz 05 would suit us really well, but Bayern are after him so that will probably put Sullivan off.
I don’t see too many more points in January. It could turn into a relegation fight if the don’t get the right bodies in quickly. Classic West Ham isn’t it. Wasted so much time and talent.
was great to see orford get so many minutes. Would never ever ever happen under the previous managers
Dinos is unfortunately the perfect example of how you can be built like an athlete and have a career in the modern game. His positional sense is so poor, he only offers the odd rabbit in headlights burst from the back, makes continuous silly mistakes. I’m sure he’s a very nice man, however he’s not a Premier League footballer. On half a seasons evidence Kilman isn’t much better. Better with his feet and you can tell there’s a football brain there, but he’s not aggressive enough, lumbers around - at his best when he’s sliding in for a last gasp block. Not the sign of a top defender. Scarles looks like a player - good ability, brave, needs games now. As a team however, injury ravaged, leggy, basic. Potter has a very big job on his hands over the coming windows
If we are leggy now what were we like when we were playing 12 European games a season for the last 3 years? Many of these players were not even there for that.
@ most of the teams in that were like playing League 2 opposition. More leggy in that there’s no penetration, the vast majority of players in our squad are slow. If we were in Europe this year we would’ve have gotten out of a group
I wish George Earthy wasn’t loaned out. Feel like he’d be a great addition to that midfield right now. He’s young but that’s our future
Guilherme looked good when he came on, a few good passes and 1 take on I believe
We are desperate for young skillfull players with energy yet these managers only give him 10 minutes, not enough time to get up to the pace of the game, is this being done on purpose through other influences so Steidtens players are hindered from showcasing themselves, he needs at least 45 mins, especially after seeing what we had on the pitch today ⚒
@IanLegg-mc3zi Guilherme, Orford, and Scarles would have got no time _at all_ under the last two managers.
@IanLegg-mc3zi absolutely mate, I really like Guilherme and he looks to do pretty damn good in the training videos
@@LeafBurrower true story bro
How the did west ham come to the conclusion, that killman is worth 40mill,that alone tells you the state of the club!
Lopeteguei insisted he wanted him
Kilman had a decent game…..once………that was many moons ago, he is crap, doesn’t like a challenge and a ball over the top just wipes him out.
Only so much tactical acumen can do to patch up weaknesses our pedestrian central defence and midfield offer and no striker option. Think we must look at some January window transfers. A week before Villa is just as well given work required on and off training pitch.
Orford and Scarles watch these videos 100%
Totally agree with all the injuries, squad in decline, potter has it worse that JLo with the players he’s had to work with added by a leaky defence and a sloth like midfield and non existent striker, we just have to carry on use the rest of the season as a pre season add a few in this window and plan for the new season in August.
I thought the crowd did their best to get an atmosphere going and were singing up to the penalty, from I was sitting in 240 anyway
It's been obvious for a long time that it's the midfield that needs addressing not necessarily the defence. Speed and creativity is needed. I also think both our keepers are shot Fab is 40 isn't he? New keeper needed as well I think.
Everything happens for a reason....... By August, some of our senior players will have left (or retired). If it's possible to blend a few of our youngsters with Bowen, Summerville, Wan-Bissaka and whoever is staying - plus some new signings - then that has to be the way forward. Have faith...... Potter will sort it out.
We were awful and I think some of the lack of atmosphere was a result of seeing the line up, the lack of options Potter had on the bench and resigning ourselves to a very tough afternoon, and so it played out.
Maybe this was a game too far after the efforts against Fulham and Potter has had very little time to really look at what the players can and can't do on the training pitch. He learnt a lot this afternoon. We so need players in...and Killman is not a £40m defender !
Apparently Soler had a knock and he didn’t want to risk him from the start.
The primary thing right now is for Potter to do enough to avoid relegation. With a depleted team, I'm not sure fans should be surprised to see an occasional lethargic performance. I don't think it's lost on Potter that we're old and slow. I'd prefer Potter continue his evaluation of players... and if he feels we should keep our powder dry in this transfer window, we should very well do just that and wait until summer. I also still believe some of our players will improve markedly as confidence in roles improves.
Think the last time we had a good defence was Alvin Martin Tony Gale days. These expensive jokers are championship quality.
Before people jump on Kilman for not tackling Mateta - he did everything correct. He closed the angle, making the goal a third its size. The rest is down to Fabianski, should have done better to protect near post.
The plan looked like we were set up to get to half time at nil nil then bring on Soler for some creativity. Unfortunately as we often do we conceded early in the second half. Mav makes many errors that sometimes he gets away with and sometimes it costs us. He did have a good game up until his dismissal. Kudus amd and AWB were our only options going forward. Until Scarles came on. As you rightly say, we cannot be starting Soucek, Alverez and Rodders in midfield. Its suicide. Deathly slow.
A major impact was the game on Tuesday our players were shattered
When saw line up was obviously going to be to slow midfield nothing going forward i heard soler did not start because he had bit off knock but was on bench , definitely need another central back and midfielder striker and probably more
Potter said after the game they were concerned about solers fitness with his hamstrings which is why he didn’t start.
Hamstrings again,what is it with the fitness of this squad. It’s been allowed to drop to an unacceptable level for the premiership.
Gonzo what choice did Potter have with the card she was dealt, Solar had a knock from the Fulham game so they didn’t take a chance on him. Looking at that starting 11 only 4 would be here in the summer. Potter has been here a week
There was no pace to get behind Palace so slow in buildup . They smothered our one threat in Kudus . As soon as he had the ball there was three around him . Sticking like shit to blanket . Soon as they scored game was won never looked like scoring . Really good press by Palace the whole 90mins deserved win
Not expecting a response but you previously have said that the club should not make a signing this window and wait till summer but I feel we should make an offer for Gomes and David now rather than wait. Im a season ticket holder and I dont want to go through another awful season and without signing Potter doesn’t stand a chance. When Moyes went and Floppy came in I gave the club one more chance and now can see renewing if we just go through the motions.
Looking at the state of our bench today, is nothing short of criminal. Given the club are charging us top dollar for tickets, the way they spend our money is disgraceful.
Always look on the bright side of life 😊
The board have got to act quickly to rescue this season, as Potter is working with barebones. Summerville and Bowen along with Fullkrug and Antonio is a huge loss. As good as Paqueta and Kudus are they are playing in a team that is currently very unbalanced. The Villa game first half gave me hope, but that was primarily down to the pace of Summerville supported by AWB and Kudus , but we had none of that today.Desperately need a striker or two and ball carrying midfielder . Good to see Potter using the youngsters who done fine.
This window we should be looking at a centre back for backup and a CM
That team today just shows you that we just don’t have the body’s if we get injuries and we need some help now firepower and two new CB
if he didn’t know it already,potter has a huge job on his hands, midfield of destroyers with 0 creativity means the struggles will last all season unless proper players are recruited, it looks awful out there,laboured & negative,in my 40 years of supporting this club now has to be the worst for both quality & effort,no commitment whatsoever,team of lightweights hopefully get binned off in the summer
Think I heard Soler had taken a knock in training so didn't start.
We have too many defensive players that are unorganized. Alvarez and Rodriguez are an imbalance.
Potter said Soler had a little niggle this week in training thats why he didn't start and if wasn't for how crap we were I don't think he would have come on, we need Todibo back in defense and Mav sitting out and I honestly think Areola needs to be back in between the sticks
Emerson was muck today. Put him on the bench and let scarles play. Make Emerson play for his spot
The leftover potluck meal out of the fridge didn’t taste very good today Geo. No seasoning or anything.
I doubt Potter would sacrifice a game to impress upon Sullivan that we need signings, but if he were to do that, I suspect that is what it would look like.
How this squad has got like this is utter incompetence . It's old, bad and most of the time disinterested.
How much money has been spent on these has beens.
Potter knew what he was coming into but didn't really have any options. Sullivan, moyes, lopetegi and steidtman have together ruined this squad. It so bad it stinks. What chance has potter got? None.
They seemed OK earlier in the week
@@LeafBurrower There are players from Pelligrini, Bilic and even Big Sam in the squad if you want to pad out the list. Sorry Avram!
The youngsters inject ‘hope’ for the fans-the way the team were playing gave us none!
Thats why I told ya we need to recall JWP
100% agree with you......massively missed.
Another _slow_ midfielder
@@LeafBurrower another slow midfielder but is 100 times better then what we have plus also he knows the game inside out, has a good footballing brain. Example look at pirlo no pace what so ever.
@ JWP/Pirlo??
THE ONLY REVIEW THAT WAS SPOT ON! FROM THE MIDFIELD TO NOT TRUSTING THE YOUTH IN POSITIONS IS EXACTLY WHY WE WERE ABSOLUTELY POOR
WHY CAPS LOCK
Who’s the next manager
Who'd have known, when looking at that starting team, that not only would we not score , we'd not even get a shot on target. What utter dross. Bored to tears.
Can you right of this season hoping we do not get dragged into a relegation fight with playing the way we are we look so desperate
Not your fault Gonzo but Potter said Soler was not 100%. If we has I am sure he would have started because him and Pacqueta are our only creative midfields
"Crisis of Creativity" Then proceeds to take Paqueta off the pitch🤣🤣🤣🤣
at this point if we are going to lose then I'd rather lose whilst playing youth!
What the hell is going on with this fitness issue
I think our two CB’s are no good. Both need replacing and the midfield needs a complete rebuild. As it stands we have (when all fit) four maybe five players at a push that are good enough for the PM. That’s not including the youth where I’m sure we have some diamonds
AWB had his first awful game for us was absolutely terrible
It was truly awful. We were completely played off the park.
Any WHU possession went precisely nowhere.
Talk already of doubting Potter?
For goodness sake; ridiculous.
But this game has exposed the multiple West Ham deficiencies
It's now down to Sullivan to get his hand in his pocket next week. This shit side is down to Moyes/Lopetegui combined. Potter NEEDS help ASAP to start to create some stability and rebuild.
Not Steidten then? 🤔
@akwamarsunzal Him aswell
Not Pelligrini Big Sam and Bilic, there are players from there time here too! Sorry Avram!
There were time when the crowd especially around us for Olly to get the ball but didnt and when we did it was the wrong choice and too late.
I didn't see the game but when i saw the line up i thought we cant win with 7 defensive players
*the CRYSTAL PALACE FOOTBALL CLUB! since 1861* 🫵🏼👍❤️
The whole set up of this club is so wrong. Please Sullivan put up the club for sale. Never had good owners going back to the sixties and hence same with managers/coaches. The fan base has been starved of consistency.
Need Bowen and Summerville back asap once there back our attack will be good Bowen up top do say especially if we don’t sign a striker , Summerville left forward kudus right forward then possibly Paqueta and soucek midfield . This is if we don’t make more singings if we do where is everyone actually going to play ??
This is also if he used the 5 at the back formation if 4 at the back then another midfielder to add to Paqueta and soucek in midfield then Bowen up top and Summerville and kudus wingers
Steidten needs to offload the 'star' players and go shopping in the Championship! These overpaid, underperforming 'heros' are shite!
Strident needs to be sacked
Central midfield is not souceks role he is not creative at all and he needs to be dropped
Felt like orford would’ve looked much stronger had he got the ball more often
I think Dinos gets leggy and thats when he starts making most of his mistakes
Irving is technically good at st mirren
Abysmal. Didn't help that Rob Green slagged us off for 90 minutes on the live feed I watched.
This is beyond a problem of who's available to play. It's about player attitude. For example every time we had the ball there was a swarm of Palace players around us closing us down. Kudos was being triple marked and at times had 4 players around him. Despite that, he played well.
Conversely, when Palace had the ball, we stood off. We have a history of letting the opposition play but this was something else. Potter has a lot of work to do in getting the players to close down the opposition when they have possession.
Kudus and AWB were stand out performers for us, brilliant. Alvarez (attitude) & Mavropanos (abaility) need to go. I don't blame Fabianski for the pen - he actually nearly saved it. COYI ⚒
Potter needs time, there are going to be a few bumps in the road. We will be OK.
I thought people would be giving GP a free hit for the next 8 months as it’s pretty much a pre season for him , I blame Steidten, Sullivan & Lop For essentially wasting 120M+ just imagine if GP had that all to use. People are being well negative towards him even when they know the current problems GP faces 🤔
It’s the modern game mate. The guys been here just over a week
Massive downfall since we won the conference league. Between moyes and loppy our team is awful. Feel for potter, really hope he does well.
But the team is fucked. Right this year off and judge him on next season.
Lot of players need to go. Some big names aswell, kilman is so bad. 40 mil!! Wouldn’t mind seeing the back of kudos now if I’m honest
We finished 14th when we won the Conference so wasn't great then either
2nd comment too. I fell asleep listening to game.
Yeah . . . it was a hard watch, particularly the first half.
Still we were shit last season and Kudus actually cared more. He wants out. 30 million he on transfer websites. Bout right
Disclaimer give or take. Lucky if we get 40 max
Paqueta btw b worth wot we paid aswell btw now
We depreciate everything we touch.
Scarles should be first choice left back no argument
Potter has to take some blame in this, although he's on the list behind Moyes,Lopetegui and Sullivan however Potter chose this team today, why change a winning side. Everything we did well against Fulham was non existent today. We had no control as Soler was dropped, we had no pace as Cresswell was selected above Scarles. Yes Potter is working with a poor injury ridden squad however he could have helped himself a bit more today.
Players that shifting in the summer (we have been saying some of these players have needed selling for 4 windows)
Coufal, Cresswell, Rodriguez, Mavrapanos, Emerson, Soucek, Fabianski (poss even Areola), Ings, Kilman. We spent 75 million on CB's and our defence is pony, whether Mav or Todibo is in the side we are still pony.
Young players will give you energy
I think Jurgen klopp could not do anything with this squad. If we don't buy in 4 games time we will be in a relegation battle.
We are slow and old. It's like they're waiting for retirement
BIG BARRY TO THE RESCUE 🛟
Honestly, have we had a decent proper striker since Dean Ashton?
No.
Bournemouth won 4 1 at Newcastle without a forward
Mav must never play for us again and kilman should apologise because wtf was that backing away
Hate to say it but I think we got better when we went down to 10 men
Slower than a slow thing in midfield transition awkward and unwieldy in defence unsurprisingly toothless going forward the recruitment has been a clusterfuck that’s all on the board Moyes and floppy. Potter has been there a couple of weeks he’s no doubt still watching learning and making decisions it says a lot when our youngsters look among the best players we’ve got despite his name he’s not a magician he’s going to need time and money. A lot of it.
Slow squad with very few ball players. Not built for the modern era and woefully exposed if you remove a few players. Kudus was well handled and Paq needs to be deeper to release his creativity. Never want to see Soucek, Guido and Alvarez start in midfield together again. Palace are a decent team and should be higher in the league really, we're pony. Much work to do for Potter, so let's see how he responds next game. Should've learned a lot there 😂
Swap Kilman for Aguerd. With Todibo he could work
Exactly..we didn't need Kilman he's crap Wolves robbed us of 40 million...that's on Lopetegui the worst manager in WH's history. Rodriguez,Alvarez are dogshite..as for Mavropanos...these players are dreadful lucky there are worse teams or this lot would go down..
Hammers fans are pinning alot of their hopes on Potter to change the teams fortunes,but judging by the starting lineup it might be the hope that kills everyones confidence, shocking!!! Did anybody really expect a positive outcome once they had laid eyes on the terrible team selection with the mish mash of players choosen to start, absolutely awful & what the hell was Potter thinking? or maybe wasn't thinking at all, ridiculous!!! 🤔???=💩✔️💯%....☹️⚽👎
Our CBs are absolute trash
Kilman is absolute shit, no pace, won't tackle and can't pass to feet, always behind. Mav's an accident waiting to happen every week
2 Mediocre Centre Backs Championship players
Potable will lead you to drink 🤔
thinking about angel gomez got your pexker up? Suit you sir, suit you
Yesterday you were talking about how the club should wait to sign players
Now your saying the opposite
Only took 24 hours 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
Hi Gonzo I know some people my tank I was all four Julian
I didn't think the performance of God under him we had some good win against Newcastle some good drawers
He was sacked after 19 games no problem who's the team if we play like that from here on in Graham Potter should be judged on the same half of the season
I'm not saying I want him sacked for today's performance what is bad has any game Julian
Graham Potter knows exactly what he's doing playing all these youngsters we have nobody else and he is trying to win over the fans
The youngsters should be giving all the chances now because we have nothing to play for no problem using these young players
I know we have a lot of interest and we need to buy in
But we have a bigger problem done this transfer window
We have a lot of players out of contract shortly so really yes it's a big job and he has to concentrate on the window at the moment but he should be looking further down the road as well
I think he should be judged Honda shine amount of games because it's exactly 18 games left and I know we will probably win against Ipswich Southampton Leicester
We might have done with the previous manager
We just don't have it we just don't have it and now we will have to play a young centre back next week is John Claude is not fit
I'm not against Graham Potter in any way hope he does well for us the fans.... I think West Ham's problems are bigger Julian we're just not a good team
Anyway kind regards Irish JP
I hope you pick one or two of these points health for tomorrow's video
Kind regards Irish JP
Guillerme 10 mil
3 games in seven days bare eleven youngsters on the bench we need new blood or its going to be a long winter come on you irons
Mavropanos is just not good enough. He needs to go. He is really poor.
Not his fault, attackers all injured
What has that display got to do with lack of attackers. The defence and midfield were abysmal