Our F-150 Hybrid has been a heck of a partner for more than three years. Would you go PowerBoost over a gas-only engine in your F-150? Let us know in the comments!
You guys are unbelievable. If an EV provided 20% less range and lost 50% of its value over 45k miles you would pan it. Instead you say this car is great.
10,000 mi oil changes on a turbocharged engine. Direct injection are absolutely crazy. That is why they fail. Do it every five and you'll have no issues
@@HeyyImMatt I've done a ton of used oil analysis on my vehicles. Wear metals stay realistically low at 3-4 k oil changes. My oil analyzer recommends I go 5k based on results. However at above 5k the wear curve becomes exponential because as you increase debris in oil, you increase wear. I highly recommend speeddiagonstix over others it's best $49 you could spend to know your numbers. We have done a ton of playing with things to get our numbers the best they can be. I'm currently running one oil spec above in my company car. (It's a ow-20 spec and I'm using 5w-30 Valvoline r&p changed every 3500 miles. We are also adding 6oz of marvel in each gas tank to add as an upper engine lubricant. Good uoa are 5ppm per/1000 miles driven. I'm achieving 1.4ppm/1000 miles driven which is off the charts good.)
Great review! I bought a used 22 Powerboost Supercrew with 6.5 bed in XLT High. Didn't want a hybrid but a 6.5 bed. After 40k miles of 80% highway, I am pleased. Lifetime mpgs is just shy of 21 mpgs. Powered our house on three separate multiple day outages with the 7.2kw inverter. Camped with Scouts and powered up things all over camp! I didnt want this hybrid but darn it is the smoothest powertrain i have ever driven. I had 2.7 and 3.5 and Chevy 5.3 and 3.0 and 6.7 diesels. Enjoyed all of them. But this truck is by far the most comfortable with the long wheel base and hands free things to do office calls and quiet, etc. My only complaint is lack of payload as the yellow sticker is about 1400 pounds. I didnt want 20-inch tires or a moonroof or fx4, so i lost payload on those options. I have tow mirrors that I love, but I wish Ford offered power fold on lower trims. For a highway cruiser, this thing is the bomb. If Ford put the HDPP rear axle (4850 gawr) in this truck i would buy another in a heart beat because i could put a slide in popup camper in it and take long road trips with that 6.5 bed...something you lightning owners cant do.
I actually clicked this to see if they would talk about the power outputs. Not sure how much work it is to make my house compatible with the truck, but it would be handy to just keep on with the truck when the power is out (happens here once every 4-5 years or so).
I’ve had my ‘24 PB for about 6 months and 6k miles and avg 21mpg in mixed driving. 24mpg on highway. I’ve had every other powertrain combination that Ford offers in F150 and this is by far the best.
I have a 21 powerboost, with 65,000 miles on it. Have average 23 mpg seen as good as 29 mpg, I put a livernois tuner on it. Now has more power than a truck needs, and 3mpg better
I have never reset “Trip 1” on my PB since I took delivery back in 22’, and 32K miles later I’ve been averaging 23.2MPG with 5,200 of those miles being all electric. Mind you I live in cold climate state (MN) and occasionally tow small loads. If you drive these correctly they can be extremely efficient.
@a_homeless1994 after posting the comment, I realized I read someone's Lightning Pro $45k purchase in the comments and mixed up the MSRPs. It's still 50%, which is still a very respectable number.
50% in 3 years is terrible; it’s basicly like leasing a base model half ton for $1000 a month. This is the drawback of buying during dealer gouging then selling after market correction.
@@mikejones762 The workers on the line at Ford, GM and Stellantis shop at the same grocery and hardware store that the Toyota workers do. Unless you're in the same camp as Elon Musk, what issue do you have with workers representing themselves?
Happy with my '23 F150 Ltd Hybrid with no issues. I still have my '16 F150 Ltd w/150k miles to compare. The '23 is a better vehicle. MPG has been better than advertised. Got 29 MPG driving from San Diego to LA in stop and go traffic. Can't complain about that. Around town where the electric motor kicks in MPG consistently beats EPA estimates. I don't understand Consumer Reports rating on this vehicle but I don't give a lot of credibility to CR...
No mention of payload? Depending what you're towing or hauling, the powerboost may not be the setup you want. Payload will be a limiting factor since the truck is so heavy. For my needs, it would not have been enough payload, so I went with the regular 3.5 ecoboost.
Nah. The 3.0 Duramax is nice but the rest of the Silverado is big compromise IMHO. The fact that you can't get a 2 speed transfer case and the max tow package on a 3.0 duramax truck sucks. The 24 gallon tank fuel sucks. The tiny wheel wells suck.
That is too bad Ford is not having the hybrid in an XLT. I went for the V6 rather than the V8 this time when our lease expired earlier this year. What my dealer pointed out to me is you can add leather on a XLT and be thousands under a Lariat Value package with almost the same options. Ford maybe realized this and is stopping it on the hybrid. My salesperson talked me out of the hybrid, because many customers don't like how the hybrid pulls a trailer compared to the 3.5 ecoboost gas or the V8. We periodically pull 10K flatbed with our max tow F150 and both the V8 and the 3.5 handle it well.
Very happy with our 24 PB Lariat. Coming from a 19 Ram limited, the Ram had a much nicer interior but was not aging well. Only thing I miss from the 19 was the buggy air suspension. Avg 22.5 mpg in the 24PB, 19 hemi was about 17. I’m light on the gas and mostly city driving. Not a fan of the brake pedal transition clicking from hydro to electric braking. Got 38k after covid for ram trade in with 32k miles. Full size trucks suck for trade ib
As a 2022 Lightning Pro owner, there’s no way I’d swap for the hybrid. I paid a paltry $41,769 in 2022 plus got my $7,500 rebate when I bought in July 2022. It has more power, torque, and costs far less to operate not to mention it’s seemingly $30k less sticker to sticker. Just got my Tesla adaptor this week from Ford which makes my truck even more usable on road trips. Get the Lightning people!
Agreed! Saying "we would go hybrid over Lightning for the driving experience" is insane. It's less efficient than an Ecoboost and far more complicated. You still have to stop for gas every few hundred miles, has far higher cost to run plus maintenance. Seems like a huge blind spot here. The Lightning is better in most cases.
As great as a concept as that is, a Lightning cannot manage a 300+ mile road trip (especially while towing) without at least 1 45min+ pit stop, assuming the charging station is giving you max kW. Also, a new Pro SR was $52k, and now they're not available. Base is XLT at almost $60k. It closes the gap fast. I was on reservation for a Pro, and they made them $60k by the time I could order 😅
I’d love to try one but with my towing needs I just don’t think it’ll work out too well. Might be doable but the increased effort with current infrastructure seems to just make it less palatable.
Towing aside, get the Lightning. Hybrid truck is still very nice. But it’s $70k still so it better be nice. Used Lightning Pro’s may be a real bargain soon as they get into the market.
9 years later 350k miles on mine , but note that I kept up with maintenance on mine , my coworker messed up his f150 because he thought using 10w50 since he got it and cheap fuel would be good idea , then you hear these people complain like karen when in reality they made bad decisions , human errors
I have a 2022 F150 crew cab XLT Sport in the same colour with the 5.0 v8 and I average 19mpg in daily use. On the highway it’s upto 24mpg as the engine doesn’t have to work hard.
"It was the first full-size pick-up to offer a hybrid powertrain." Didn't GM produce hyrbids for a short while with the Sierra and Silverado (around 2010 or so)?
I guess that depends on what you would consider a “hybrid”. The f-150 would be the first “full hybrid” meaning that it can run solely on electric power with the engine shut off. Those GM trucks were more of a “mild hybrid” with a really small electric motor in the transmission to just assist but was unable to run on electricity alone.
You need to really do the math to see if the more expensive on both upfront and long term maintenance costs are worth it and here this was not addressed. I would take the 2.7L over its hybrid version.
I'm not sure why you mentioned the touch screen because that's not specific to a hybrid F-150 venue overpaid because of covid and want to complain about depreciation plus you should have done something with the pro power on board so you really missed your chance on that one
1. The hybrid battery is not under the backseat. All F150's have a small 7.5Ah battery under the seat and this has nothing to do with the hybrid. Edmunds clearly does not read the owners manual. 2. The hybrid can be had in an XLT trim in 2025. 3. The bed camera is not available in any trim except the top tier Platinum. 4. The brakes might feel mushy to some because it is a 6000 lb truck and not a small California crossover SUV. 5. If you only get 19.5 MPG out of this truck then you are racing from stop light to stoplight or drive like hell. In short, the quality of information from Edmunds and other TH-cam car reviewers is getting worse and worse. Why didn't you mention that for $66K you don't get a garage door opener?? These are the everyday trivial things that grind the gears of the average person instead of your uninformed and ill-read point of views.
Ford hybrid systems are know to make clunky noises and lurching movements when coming to a stop. Some mistakes the lurching as brake issues but it’s actually malfunctioning hybrid clutch system.
Jesus christ... does Edmunds have like 600 different editors on staff or what? Hard to believe its a profitable business with THIS many mouths to feed.... esp in southern California of all places to live.. yikes
Surprised it made it this far. The PowerBoost is a known lemon. Lots of people with completely dead trucks that Ford had to buy back under lemon law, including a friend at work.
So bc of the buyback that you’re aware of, all of them are bad? 😂 I’m on my 3rd one, never had one issue. Change the oil every 5k and tows my 34ft camper with no issues.
@@berniesoprano6980 lol, no. Ford put a stop sale on them for a while, CR put out a special “do not buy a PowerBoost F-150” report in 2022 saying it was the least reliable vehicle on sale, this year KBB named it the third least reliable vehicle on the market, and there are entire forums with owners that have had their PowerBoost completely die. If you are already on your third one in a truck that was introduced for the first time in 2021… what does that say about you or the truck?
To be fair, even the least reliable new vehicle today is still pretty darn reliable from an owners standpoint. No OEM is immune from issues or recalls or major scandals.
Bunch of liberal in checkered shirts trying to drive a truck doing 10,000 miles oil change let me guess with the synthetic blend the dealers pour in and not full synthetic? And they call it themselves Edmund thinking they are pros at reviewing cars lol😂
that engine is a POS...drive it for a long long term...also the battery warranty is garbage, if they are failing but not failing enough according to the warranty its not covered under warranty so you are out thousands...why didnt you do a battery degradation test? the software is out there
Our F-150 Hybrid has been a heck of a partner for more than three years. Would you go PowerBoost over a gas-only engine in your F-150? Let us know in the comments!
You guys are unbelievable. If an EV provided 20% less range and lost 50% of its value over 45k miles you would pan it. Instead you say this car is great.
10,000 mi oil changes on a turbocharged engine. Direct injection are absolutely crazy. That is why they fail. Do it every five and you'll have no issues
100% correct. I change the oil in my powerboost every 4k miles.
Can you show any proof that the turbos are failing with doing 10k oil changes or are you just assuming they will?
Not so. Oil every 4 and cam phasers at 45.
@@HeyyImMatt I've done a ton of used oil analysis on my vehicles. Wear metals stay realistically low at 3-4 k oil changes. My oil analyzer recommends I go 5k based on results. However at above 5k the wear curve becomes exponential because as you increase debris in oil, you increase wear. I highly recommend speeddiagonstix over others it's best $49 you could spend to know your numbers. We have done a ton of playing with things to get our numbers the best they can be. I'm currently running one oil spec above in my company car. (It's a ow-20 spec and I'm using 5w-30 Valvoline r&p changed every 3500 miles. We are also adding 6oz of marvel in each gas tank to add as an upper engine lubricant. Good uoa are 5ppm per/1000 miles driven. I'm achieving 1.4ppm/1000 miles driven which is off the charts good.)
May 155,000 2015 Lariat 2.7 FX4 agrees. 5000-6000 OCI with Mobil 1 EP. Zero issues with the engine.
Great review! I bought a used 22 Powerboost Supercrew with 6.5 bed in XLT High. Didn't want a hybrid but a 6.5 bed. After 40k miles of 80% highway, I am pleased. Lifetime mpgs is just shy of 21 mpgs. Powered our house on three separate multiple day outages with the 7.2kw inverter. Camped with Scouts and powered up things all over camp!
I didnt want this hybrid but darn it is the smoothest powertrain i have ever driven. I had 2.7 and 3.5 and Chevy 5.3 and 3.0 and 6.7 diesels. Enjoyed all of them. But this truck is by far the most comfortable with the long wheel base and hands free things to do office calls and quiet, etc.
My only complaint is lack of payload as the yellow sticker is about 1400 pounds. I didnt want 20-inch tires or a moonroof or fx4, so i lost payload on those options.
I have tow mirrors that I love, but I wish Ford offered power fold on lower trims.
For a highway cruiser, this thing is the bomb. If Ford put the HDPP rear axle (4850 gawr) in this truck i would buy another in a heart beat because i could put a slide in popup camper in it and take long road trips with that 6.5 bed...something you lightning owners cant do.
I actually clicked this to see if they would talk about the power outputs. Not sure how much work it is to make my house compatible with the truck, but it would be handy to just keep on with the truck when the power is out (happens here once every 4-5 years or so).
You say the '25 XLT doesn't offer PowerBoost anymore, but the online configuration for 2025 shows it available on XLT SuperCrew for around $58,600.
Yeah, but when you contact the dealership, they tell you that Ford isn’t accepting orders for that configuration.
@@Cloud30000
I have a 2025 XLT Powerboost Hybrid ordered. it is being built 1st week of January 2025
I’ve had my ‘24 PB for about 6 months and 6k miles and avg 21mpg in mixed driving. 24mpg on highway. I’ve had every other powertrain combination that Ford offers in F150 and this is by far the best.
I like that you showed a tiny u-haul trailer when you were describing towing with a "big, giant box trailer"
I have a 21 powerboost, with 65,000 miles on it. Have average 23 mpg seen as good as 29 mpg, I put a livernois tuner on it. Now has more power than a truck needs, and 3mpg better
I have never reset “Trip 1” on my PB since I took delivery back in 22’, and 32K miles later I’ve been averaging 23.2MPG with 5,200 of those miles being all electric. Mind you I live in cold climate state (MN) and occasionally tow small loads. If you drive these correctly they can be extremely efficient.
My 21 has been great. No issues.
Awesome. Thank you Edmunds.
3 years, 45,000 miles, and it's worth ~75% of its MSRP. I'm not sure there's much to complain about there.
Not sure how you came up with 75%. They spent $66k on it, and it's now worth $32k
@a_homeless1994 after posting the comment, I realized I read someone's Lightning Pro $45k purchase in the comments and mixed up the MSRPs. It's still 50%, which is still a very respectable number.
50% in 3 years is terrible; it’s basicly like leasing a base model half ton for $1000 a month. This is the drawback of buying during dealer gouging then selling after market correction.
Informative, entertaining and collaborative. Well done!
Glad I bought my PB when I did. XL trim... out the door at about 44k
Great review…. Thank you
I’m looking into buying one, thanks for the video
Still more reliable than the new tundra.
yea but better then giving money to UAW. so i’ll take the yota
@@mikejones762 The workers on the line at Ford, GM and Stellantis shop at the same grocery and hardware store that the Toyota workers do. Unless you're in the same camp as Elon Musk, what issue do you have with workers representing themselves?
We need workers that will work for $15\hour so I can get a truck for $20k again.
@Cloud30000 the Mavericks are built in Mexico. They are 28-31K brand new. How much go they pay those workers down there?
Nice! I'm on 63K in on my 21 lariat, it's a great truck!
I think that GM did a parallel hybrid in 2004?
Happy with my '23 F150 Ltd Hybrid with no issues. I still have my '16 F150 Ltd w/150k miles to compare. The '23 is a better vehicle. MPG has been better than advertised. Got 29 MPG driving from San Diego to LA in stop and go traffic. Can't complain about that. Around town where the electric motor kicks in MPG consistently beats EPA estimates. I don't understand Consumer Reports rating on this vehicle but I don't give a lot of credibility to CR...
No mention of payload? Depending what you're towing or hauling, the powerboost may not be the setup you want. Payload will be a limiting factor since the truck is so heavy. For my needs, it would not have been enough payload, so I went with the regular 3.5 ecoboost.
Better off with GM’s 3.0 diesel if you want smooth power and efficiency. Easily 24-30 mpg depending on configuration.
Nah. The 3.0 Duramax is nice but the rest of the Silverado is big compromise IMHO. The fact that you can't get a 2 speed transfer case and the max tow package on a 3.0 duramax truck sucks. The 24 gallon tank fuel sucks. The tiny wheel wells suck.
Stop with the 10K oil change, that is a big no no,
Unfortunately they probably have to drive it and maintain it like the average doofus would so 10k miles it is.
That is too bad Ford is not having the hybrid in an XLT. I went for the V6 rather than the V8 this time when our lease expired earlier this year. What my dealer pointed out to me is you can add leather on a XLT and be thousands under a Lariat Value package with almost the same options. Ford maybe realized this and is stopping it on the hybrid. My salesperson talked me out of the hybrid, because many customers don't like how the hybrid pulls a trailer compared to the 3.5 ecoboost gas or the V8. We periodically pull 10K flatbed with our max tow F150 and both the V8 and the 3.5 handle it well.
ive had my '22 F150 for 2years now, 30k miles, i average 30mpg 640-740miles on a tank mixed city and highway...granted mine was RWD.
Great review - I got a lariat powerboost and wish I just went with an XLT.
You know someone isn't a real vehicle person when they're declaring 45k miles a win. After 70k or 100k is when the true test begins.
Very happy with our 24 PB Lariat. Coming from a 19 Ram limited, the Ram had a much nicer interior but was not aging well. Only thing I miss from the 19 was the buggy air suspension.
Avg 22.5 mpg in the 24PB, 19 hemi was about 17. I’m light on the gas and mostly city driving. Not a fan of the brake pedal transition clicking from hydro to electric braking. Got 38k after covid for ram trade in with 32k miles. Full size trucks suck for trade ib
Ford build tool has hybrid as an option on XLT trim both 2024 and 2025 model years.
As a 2022 Lightning Pro owner, there’s no way I’d swap for the hybrid. I paid a paltry $41,769 in 2022 plus got my $7,500 rebate when I bought in July 2022. It has more power, torque, and costs far less to operate not to mention it’s seemingly $30k less sticker to sticker. Just got my Tesla adaptor this week from Ford which makes my truck even more usable on road trips. Get the Lightning people!
that would be nice, I believe Elon wants to get rid of the EV tax credit so we're not going to see the same deal going forward.
Agreed! Saying "we would go hybrid over Lightning for the driving experience" is insane. It's less efficient than an Ecoboost and far more complicated. You still have to stop for gas every few hundred miles, has far higher cost to run plus maintenance. Seems like a huge blind spot here. The Lightning is better in most cases.
As great as a concept as that is, a Lightning cannot manage a 300+ mile road trip (especially while towing) without at least 1 45min+ pit stop, assuming the charging station is giving you max kW.
Also, a new Pro SR was $52k, and now they're not available. Base is XLT at almost $60k. It closes the gap fast.
I was on reservation for a Pro, and they made them $60k by the time I could order 😅
I’d love to try one but with my towing needs I just don’t think it’ll work out too well. Might be doable but the increased effort with current infrastructure seems to just make it less palatable.
Towing aside, get the Lightning. Hybrid truck is still very nice. But it’s $70k still so it better be nice. Used Lightning Pro’s may be a real bargain soon as they get into the market.
9 years later 350k miles on mine , but note that I kept up with maintenance on mine , my coworker messed up his f150 because he thought using 10w50 since he got it and cheap fuel would be good idea , then you hear these people complain like karen when in reality they made bad decisions , human errors
I have a 2022 F150 crew cab XLT Sport in the same colour with the 5.0 v8 and I average 19mpg in daily use. On the highway it’s upto 24mpg as the engine doesn’t have to work hard.
We need more emme!
I average 19.5 mpg in my 5.0 2023, 22 on hwy only. Not sure what the benefit would be if the hybrid unfortunately
Make it a two door with a 6.5' bed and you have a good all around work/play truck.
"It was the first full-size pick-up to offer a hybrid powertrain." Didn't GM produce hyrbids for a short while with the Sierra and Silverado (around 2010 or so)?
I guess that depends on what you would consider a “hybrid”. The f-150 would be the first “full hybrid” meaning that it can run solely on electric power with the engine shut off.
Those GM trucks were more of a “mild hybrid” with a really small electric motor in the transmission to just assist but was unable to run on electricity alone.
@@mterwill9 And they sucked and provided no MPG improvement.
You need to really do the math to see if the more expensive on both upfront and long term maintenance costs are worth it and here this was not addressed. I would take the 2.7L over its hybrid version.
This is the first car that made me realize, “wait, Toyota isn’t the only company that’s doing port and direct injection on their engines”
They should’ve gave it to landscaping companies
Can u do the 6.8 minizilla
I'm not sure why you mentioned the touch screen because that's not specific to a hybrid F-150 venue overpaid because of covid and want to complain about depreciation plus you should have done something with the pro power on board so you really missed your chance on that one
Screen breaks, but that's considered "rock solid".
Maybe for a Ford.
Why tf would you use a microfiber towel to check the oil???
I use em all the time. Then I use the same one to wipe down my mountain bike chain.
I would NEVER ever change oil at 10,000 miles...no way oil is cheaper than an exspensive motor
Less than 20 MPG is not good
That might be 2 MPG better than a Coyote V8, but it's a long way from 24
I get a Coyote with XLT 4x4 for $60,000 out the door and more reliable.
Did anyone experience " the wheel of death.?" Or is that a f250 thing?
Heavy Duty trucks only - no solid front axle on 1/2 ton Fords.
1. The hybrid battery is not under the backseat. All F150's have a small 7.5Ah battery under the seat and this has nothing to do with the hybrid. Edmunds clearly does not read the owners manual. 2. The hybrid can be had in an XLT trim in 2025. 3. The bed camera is not available in any trim except the top tier Platinum. 4. The brakes might feel mushy to some because it is a 6000 lb truck and not a small California crossover SUV. 5. If you only get 19.5 MPG out of this truck then you are racing from stop light to stoplight or drive like hell. In short, the quality of information from Edmunds and other TH-cam car reviewers is getting worse and worse. Why didn't you mention that for $66K you don't get a garage door opener?? These are the everyday trivial things that grind the gears of the average person instead of your uninformed and ill-read point of views.
Ford hybrid systems are know to make clunky noises and lurching movements when coming to a stop. Some mistakes the lurching as brake issues but it’s actually malfunctioning hybrid clutch system.
I test drove a 23 and was so damn confuse why i felt a lurch…. I wonder if the 24 25 is better with that
21 here with 112,000 miles. 3 years and only 45,000 miles???? Haha.
Moral of this video - buy a 2022 not a 2021
Buy used. Change the oil every 5K. Probably will get close to 24MPG with all seasons.
My 2010 give me 11 mpg
If it doesn't have a 8' bed, I don't see the point
Why stop at 8'? Why dont you go get a F550 chassis cab with a 205" wheelbase and throw a 20' utility bed on it?
lol at thinking thats a massive trailer. Its a box it doesnt weigh much
10k mile oil changes!? Your nuts…..it’s oil basics 101 to not exceed 5k if you want a reliable long lasting experience
depreciation is always worse thing about a ford.
My dad sold his F250 after buying it new and driving it 8 years for only $5k less than he bought it for… outstanding truck
Jesus christ... does Edmunds have like 600 different editors on staff or what? Hard to believe its a profitable business with THIS many mouths to feed.... esp in southern California of all places to live.. yikes
Inexcusable display failure (2x) and sickening depreciation, no thanks.
45k miles is long term? Try 150k miles
For an automotive journalist, 45,000 is long term.
Surprised it made it this far. The PowerBoost is a known lemon. Lots of people with completely dead trucks that Ford had to buy back under lemon law, including a friend at work.
Still more reliable than the new tundra.
So bc of the buyback that you’re aware of, all of them are bad? 😂 I’m on my 3rd one, never had one issue. Change the oil every 5k and tows my 34ft camper with no issues.
@@berniesoprano6980 lol, no. Ford put a stop sale on them for a while, CR put out a special “do not buy a PowerBoost F-150” report in 2022 saying it was the least reliable vehicle on sale, this year KBB named it the third least reliable vehicle on the market, and there are entire forums with owners that have had their PowerBoost completely die. If you are already on your third one in a truck that was introduced for the first time in 2021… what does that say about you or the truck?
To be fair, even the least reliable new vehicle today is still pretty darn reliable from an owners standpoint. No OEM is immune from issues or recalls or major scandals.
I have 8 of them in my work fleet (STX powerboost) and they haven’t had any issues. I normally only buy the 2.7s but they have been outstanding
Bunch of liberal in checkered shirts trying to drive a truck doing 10,000 miles oil change let me guess with the synthetic blend the dealers pour in and not full synthetic? And they call it themselves Edmund thinking they are pros at reviewing cars lol😂
that engine is a POS...drive it for a long long term...also the battery warranty is garbage, if they are failing but not failing enough according to the warranty its not covered under warranty so you are out thousands...why didnt you do a battery degradation test? the software is out there
You can get a new battery put in for $700 in the aftermarket
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