HUGE thank you for providing this video! I recently acquired a 1SC-227F Magnavox console. I followed your steps and quickly freed up the motor. I'm moving on to the 2nd video to learn about other adjustments but I can't thank you enough. This is awesome.
Great job on that motor. I really enjoy these multi part series fixes because you have more time to show a detailed fix. Highly edited vids offer limited learning opportunities because they rarely show the pit falls or work around. Thank you for this awesome fix and can hardly wait for part two. 👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍
Jordan, I have a service manual for this (similar unit) The pulley come off by holding the fan and turning the pulley counterclockwise. This is how you adjust the height of the pulley to align with the idler wheels. The fan also come off by using two pry bars.
i have a similar turntable that had a wire break off the motor very close to the winding but don't know if a replacement motor can be found without buying a whole turntable
Hi Jordan. This video was extremely helpful getting my collaro working! I have the same exact model. Do you have any advice on adjustments to improve tracking / reduce skipping? Thank you!
I don't recall if there are any specific tracking adjustments. Some Collaro have a thumbwheel or screw adjustment under the back of the arm that will allow you to adjust the weight. I've always stuck some speaker gasketing material (kinda like putty) in empty places of the tonearm by the cartridge if there is room to add weight. These should be able to track around 3 grams. If yours isn't I would suggest looking at sticky bearings on the tonearm, a mechanism that isn't fully releasing or an impediment like too tight a wiring harness coming out of the arm.
There's a similar turntable on ebay but the seller said the motor hums, could poor maintenance be the only cause? i had a turntable like that many years ago and it was very sturdy
i just bought a Micromatic changer that has the older type jack with both sides that look the same unlike the later ones that the plug can only go in one way .Do you know where i can get a cord with this type of plug
Hi JP. I got the motor fan spinning well and idler wheel. When I start the mechanism, the arm swings over, but the plate that the record drops onto is not spinning. Any troubleshooting tips?
Video and narration well done. I've done my share of those back in the day when they were only 20 years old, rather than 55. Might I suggest getting a tripod and a head for the video-recording device/phone for those shots where you need two hands.
My magnavox console had one of these but not this exact model. It looked the same on top but underneath it had a green plastic gear that was stripped. I bought a parts one and it also had the green gear’s teeth stripped off. I gave up and changed it over to a w-600
Hi Jordan. I have a Collaro from a 1960 or 1961 Magnavox. Your video helped immensely. I was able to free up the motor and the speed changing mechanism. I'm still having an issue but the Collaro in your video is a little different from mine so the video couldn't resolve all my issues. Here's what I'm seeing. I put it together and the turntable won't come up to speed. I believe the idler wheel isn't making great contact with the motor. It is designed to move but there's nothing to keep it tight against the motor. Is there supposed to be a spring? Also, I'm only getting 2 speeds. I believe 16 and 33 RPM. I'm less concerned about that though and more concerned about getting the platter to speed up. Any help you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks. @JordanPier
The centrifugal forces usually dont require a spring on these models. However the idler wheel needs to be perfect. If its slick, hard or has shrunk it wont work well. Also check thet the motor itself is good. Using a screwdriver to the motor body, but your ear yo the handle of the screwdriver. If the tone is warbly, the motor is defective. If constant its ok and the idler needs rebuilding
i have a 1960 custom with similar tonearm and balancing arm but the assembly the tonearm is screwed on to is rather stiff can you tell how i can fix that?
Likely the clutch used during cycling has become stuck to the base of the arm. This happens when the unit gets stuck in a cycle then sits for a long time. I spray it down with fader lube, let it sit awhile, heat it, then rap on it while moving the arm back and forth. This usually busts it loose. Otherwise gotta take the arm apart - which really sucks on these
I just came across one of these in pretty good condition. It's clean and works for the most part but I can't seem to get it to play at normal speed, only fast. Do you have any thoughts that could help me out?
Pull the platter and check idler height and interaction with the motor pulley when in the on position. Also make sure body is supported and it's not resting on the motor, which will change its height - which effects speed
I know it's just my opinion, but I think your record changer videos are some of your best---they help a lot of people. I didn't know how to service VM changers until I watched your videos, but now after doing a few I'm pretty good at it. When I got stuck, I referred to your videos a few times, and it always helped. I'm recapping a motherboard right now...I'd much rather be servicing a changer lol
i bought some spray lubricant at dollar tree that would makes things easier. i ised it on a magnavox changer made about 1972 and it loosened things up so quickly
I have the service manual for this and the pulley comes off if you hold the fan and turn the pulley counter clockwise. This is how you a just the hight to align it with the idler wheel
my magnavox changer came today and the motor wouldn't turn so i took the motor completely apart and took the sleeve out that holds the upper armature . the top end on the armature was FILTHY i'm amazed the motor didn't burn out
My exact model! So glad you're on this! -as I doubt I'll ever use the record wrecker (changer) mech.. is it possible to just leave it all in barnacle state and just get the single-play/return working? also, anxious to see how available that cartridge is...
Magnavox changer models created In 1960 the first micromatic mechanism was : Model K-600 1960 -early 1961 gold changer Labeled Magnavox Custom IN 1961-62, Model S- 600 IMPERIAL MICROMATIC AND , IMPERIAL IN 1963 Model G-600 FIRST SIMPLER MICROMATIC FOLLOWED BY W603 Later 1963 most abundantly found Model made 1963-65, W604 Astro sonic with 11 " platter 1965-66 W611 last Model with black tonearm 1966-67 W620 New thin tonearm design 1968 W624 DESIGN IS CHANGED TO SINGLE 1 WHEEL OPERATION, NO MORE 2 IDLER WHEELS
HUGE thank you for providing this video! I recently acquired a 1SC-227F Magnavox console. I followed your steps and quickly freed up the motor. I'm moving on to the 2nd video to learn about other adjustments but I can't thank you enough. This is awesome.
Great job on that motor.
I really enjoy these multi part series fixes because you have more time to show a detailed fix.
Highly edited vids offer limited learning opportunities because they rarely show the pit falls or work around.
Thank you for this awesome fix and can hardly wait for part two.
👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍⭐👍
Thanks Jordan! Man, that thing looks like a nightmare under there!
Rebuilt two of those, such a fun nightmare. Thankfully my motors were not seized up by the time I got them.
Jordan, I have a service manual for this (similar unit) The pulley come off by holding the fan and turning the pulley counterclockwise. This is how you adjust the height of the pulley to align with the idler wheels. The fan also come off by using two pry bars.
Very helprful video Jordan. Thank you!
i have a similar turntable that had a wire break off the motor very close to the winding but don't know if a replacement motor can be found without buying a whole turntable
Awesome Video! Thank you! Do you know what the white wire goes to? Mine is off, and I can't figure out where it goes. Cheers!
Which wire is hot and which is neutral coming out of that molex connector on the thing?
Hi Jordan. This video was extremely helpful getting my collaro working! I have the same exact model. Do you have any advice on adjustments to improve tracking / reduce skipping? Thank you!
I don't recall if there are any specific tracking adjustments. Some Collaro have a thumbwheel or screw adjustment under the back of the arm that will allow you to adjust the weight. I've always stuck some speaker gasketing material (kinda like putty) in empty places of the tonearm by the cartridge if there is room to add weight. These should be able to track around 3 grams. If yours isn't I would suggest looking at sticky bearings on the tonearm, a mechanism that isn't fully releasing or an impediment like too tight a wiring harness coming out of the arm.
There's a similar turntable on ebay but the seller said the motor hums, could poor maintenance be the only cause? i had a turntable like that many years ago and it was very sturdy
i just bought a Magnavox portable stereo that has a changer like that but no drop sensor that stopped making them with those in mid 1958
are there Harbor Freight stores in CA?
i just bought a Micromatic changer that has the older type jack with both sides that look the same unlike the later ones that the plug can only go in one way .Do you know where i can get a cord with this type of plug
Hi JP. I got the motor fan spinning well and idler wheel. When I start the mechanism, the arm swings over, but the plate that the record drops onto is not spinning. Any troubleshooting tips?
Check for free movement of the idler pivot arm. Then make sure idler is soft and pliable.
Video and narration well done. I've done my share of those back in the day when they were only 20 years old, rather than 55. Might I suggest getting a tripod and a head for the video-recording device/phone for those shots where you need two hands.
i just bought a similar changer but it doesn't have the "drop sensor"
My magnavox console had one of these but not this exact model. It looked the same on top but underneath it had a green plastic gear that was stripped. I bought a parts one and it also had the green gear’s teeth stripped off. I gave up and changed it over to a w-600
Hi Jordan. I have a Collaro from a 1960 or 1961 Magnavox. Your video helped immensely. I was able to free up the motor and the speed changing mechanism. I'm still having an issue but the Collaro in your video is a little different from mine so the video couldn't resolve all my issues. Here's what I'm seeing. I put it together and the turntable won't come up to speed. I believe the idler wheel isn't making great contact with the motor. It is designed to move but there's nothing to keep it tight against the motor. Is there supposed to be a spring? Also, I'm only getting 2 speeds. I believe 16 and 33 RPM. I'm less concerned about that though and more concerned about getting the platter to speed up. Any help you can provide would be appreciated. Thanks. @JordanPier
The centrifugal forces usually dont require a spring on these models. However the idler wheel needs to be perfect. If its slick, hard or has shrunk it wont work well. Also check thet the motor itself is good. Using a screwdriver to the motor body, but your ear yo the handle of the screwdriver. If the tone is warbly, the motor is defective. If constant its ok and the idler needs rebuilding
As far as it not changing speeds make sure the mechanism is cleaned and lubricated. Platter may have to be rotating to successfully change all speeds.
Magnavox also provided a brown 3 conductor cord in the late 60's and early to mid 70's
all the changers i have that are simialr have a ceramic capacitor to prevent arcing of the switch
How did you get the platter off....?... Woops... I missed it....
There's a c or e clip around the spindle at the base to hold the platter on.
is the fan on that motor aluminum or tin
I have a similar changer and i cannot figure out how to get the Platter off, How did you do that?
Should be a snap ring or c clip holding it on at the base of the spindle
@@JordanPier Wow thanks you're right!
What oil did you use on the turntable? I didn't catch what it was.
Mo98 zoom spout
I agree re: the changers like that are more difficult because the drop sensor makes extra parts necessary
i have a 1960 custom with similar tonearm and balancing arm but the assembly the tonearm is screwed on to is rather stiff can you tell how i can fix that?
Likely the clutch used during cycling has become stuck to the base of the arm. This happens when the unit gets stuck in a cycle then sits for a long time. I spray it down with fader lube, let it sit awhile, heat it, then rap on it while moving the arm back and forth. This usually busts it loose. Otherwise gotta take the arm apart - which really sucks on these
@@JordanPier great, I'll keep that in mind
@@JordanPier i forgot to ask : which part is the clutch ?
i just re-built and cleaned a motor just like that,i cleaned the hole the bottom end of the armature goes in with a swab moistened with lighter fluid
i was able to find a lone motor and it just needed a little lubication
i bought some rubber rejuvenator from amazon for my tape decks that helps the rubber turntable parts
I just came across one of these in pretty good condition. It's clean and works for the most part but I can't seem to get it to play at normal speed, only fast. Do you have any thoughts that could help me out?
Pull the platter and check idler height and interaction with the motor pulley when in the on position. Also make sure body is supported and it's not resting on the motor, which will change its height - which effects speed
I know it's just my opinion, but I think your record changer videos are some of your best---they help a lot of people. I didn't know how to service VM changers until I watched your videos, but now after doing a few I'm pretty good at it. When I got stuck, I referred to your videos a few times, and it always helped. I'm recapping a motherboard right now...I'd much rather be servicing a changer lol
i just bought one similar to that but it has the later size detection system
mini-alligator clips can be found at ACE
Do you work on cassette decks? If so do you do mail in repairs?
the platter clip bent so a bsr platter clip fit before i order
Nope, not the same
doo you no where i can find one
@@JordanPier
I bought the changer I mentioned recently and got it loosened up with super-tech
I have a similar changer, but it is slightly updated. The only trouble it has is with the reject.
does your have the drop sensor?
wow that is one tough motor
i bought some spray lubricant at dollar tree that would makes things easier. i ised it on a magnavox changer made about 1972 and it loosened things up so quickly
great video !
i use an1875 watt hairdryer and it really works well
Can you repair my equipment ???
5 or 6 mm will work where you'd use a 9/32" socket
I found that the idler pulley will come of the motor just by pulling on it
I have the service manual for this and the pulley comes off if you hold the fan and turn the pulley counter clockwise. This is how you a just the hight to align it with the idler wheel
my magnavox changer came today and the motor wouldn't turn so i took the motor completely apart and took the sleeve out that holds the upper armature . the top end on the armature was FILTHY i'm amazed the motor didn't burn out
My exact model! So glad you're on this! -as I doubt I'll ever use the record wrecker (changer) mech.. is it possible to just leave it all in barnacle state and just get the single-play/return working? also, anxious to see how available that cartridge is...
judging from the 2nd installment.. for the single-return, w/o the changer.. like nah. lol
Magnavox changer models created
In 1960 the first micromatic mechanism was :
Model K-600 1960 -early 1961 gold changer
Labeled Magnavox Custom
IN 1961-62, Model S- 600 IMPERIAL MICROMATIC AND , IMPERIAL
IN 1963 Model G-600 FIRST SIMPLER MICROMATIC
FOLLOWED BY W603 Later 1963 most abundantly found Model made
1963-65, W604 Astro sonic with 11 " platter
1965-66 W611 last Model with black tonearm
1966-67 W620 New thin tonearm design
1968 W624 DESIGN IS CHANGED TO SINGLE 1 WHEEL OPERATION, NO MORE 2 IDLER WHEELS
i have a magnavox collaro made england just don't have the needle. who knows you are interested in buying it I live in Indonesia.
i take those motors off completely to work on them
PBBlaster is another good penetrant/lubricant
Seafoam deep creep is better. Not only does it penetrate better but it doesn’t stink like pb blaster does
someone on ebay is selling one of these, i might get it
the f-200c replaced this changer
Collaro stopped making those i should say