Quick answer to WHY: People watching TV in their living room complain when they have to ride the volume up & down in order to hear everything without disturbing the neighbors. Manufacturers seem to assume that most customers never want high dynamic contrast. It’s the same in the music business, as you know. But I agree that there’s no excuse for not making the compression switchable!!
Not being able to turn it off should be a crime, and don't we get started on AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the tracking data these TV's collect about you.
I really wish media came with an alternate audio track for home use where you have thin walls and you really don't want the neighbours three doors down hearing explosions just so you can make out the dialogue. It would completely obviate this kind of client-side normalisation.
It would be so nice if we could have dynamic audio range, *and* have dialogue we can actually hear. Content creators will tell you to upgrade your sound system, but streaming platforms only use stereo or 5.1, and it doesn't seem to matter if you have a premium Atmos sound system even with Blu-rays, I can't hear a thing people are saying half the time.
I don't have a TV, but I do have a custom script to automatically increase a volume beyond 100% in TH-cam for the same reason. (TH-cam computes the content loudness and lower the volume appropriately, but doesn't do the opposite for many reasons.) Originally I used to have a dynamic compressor but it was horrible for the exact reason this video shows. Thankfully TH-cam does show the exact content loudness in its debug information, so I can use that information to do the consistent volume adjustment. THAT should be allowed in my opinion---I want the loudness to be consistent when the overall loudness is within some range (so that a whisper can still stay a whisper), and otherwise keep it as is. Doing this in a TV is destined to fail because it doesn't know the content boundary at all.
And of course it took at least 5 attempts of pressing the button to turn it off. In fact its possible it doesn't work until you put the video in vertical mode
Man, "Stable Volume" in the TH-cam app is pretty useful for watching creators who don't know how to mix sound. I don't know why these companies would enable it by default for professionally mixed stuff though 🤦♂️
i had no idea that setting even existed until reading your comment and you’re totally right turning it off (it was on by default) made the sound test at 2:08 sound just as intended! *gasp* that means the years i’ve been watching youtube on my ipad (as i am now) i’ve been experiencing the auto-gain-ified version?!!
Thanks, I just turned it off and did the test again. Now it is a lot better, but I can still clearly hear some compression, just a lot less and with a faster release
That's because the dialog usually happens on the Center channel and most systems are too stupid to mix down to Stereo and just take the Front-L and -R channels, dropping everything else.
@@mbirth I'm on PC, and the center channel does get mixed into my L and R channels. The bigger problem lies in the mixing, and overall lost ability of the actors to speak clearly.
@@Vassay It's not the actors my friend. I have been a Production Assistant and 2nd Camera Assistant in many productions and made a few shorts myself. Feature films are mastered for cinema, where you don't have to worry about neighbours and such. For some reason, the entire filmmaking cabal wants you to go to the cinema, and not watch the movies from the comfort of your own home...all of this because that's where they earn the most. DVD sales and Netflix are just a bonus to the first big paycheck.
The Spotify normalisation isn't like this though. In the default "normal" settings it just punishes mastering engineers who live in the 90s and haven't read the loudness guidelines by turning down the whole album to -14 LUFS. And if you master very quietly it will only ever go to -1 dBTP even if that ends up below -14 LUFS. The limiter only comes in when you manually set normalisation to "loud".
Good to know. It was the first setting I've turned off years ago. A little annotation for people who don't work with music: Mastered -14 LUFS can be LOUD for a normal human being which doesn't visit metallica or In Extremo concerts. People who worked with music pre 90's were mostly deaf srsly. Sorry for the bad grammar I'am just a native german speaker.
@@MrNo0p As a note from a mastering engineer: -14 LUFS is both not a hard goal for mastering in 2024 (although it is a *very* common normalisation target, including on Spotify and TH-cam), AND it is not necessarily very loud when observed as a measurement of finished music recordings. The "loud" music you referenced can indeed measure across a full track in excess of -7 or -5 LUFS when in the hands of people that know how to get things loud and not sound bad, but that is not necessarily the norm. At the same time, most recordings are not mastered *to be* -14 LUFS, and often land much higher simply because it guarantees a good experience no matter the medium. Loudness normalisation in streaming platforms more or less provides engineers with a "margin" in which there is only a headroom penalty, provided no harm is done. Generally speaking, lower headroom on playback simply means fewer dynamics, more consistency, and more risk of unpleasant distortion, and at the confluence of all three, there's a very adequate compromise for all listeners, since lower peak level will sound more even/controlled. The -14 figure gets thrown around quite a bit, but really only comes into play when setting a sensible maximum amount of headroom on playback, and very little music actually is set that low on distribution. After all, as a listener, *you* have the volume control. Not me. And a note for @lazyposy: Indeed @sec21 is correct, Spotify's limiter generally does not get touched anymore, as the way they process loudness has been changed a) to use LU as the measurement, and b) to set -1 dBFS as the absolute maximum peak level without setting normalisation to "loud." Doing so really only works if most tracks on playback are within a much smaller margin of loudness, I believe -10 LUFS and up, and everything below that would be damaged, so it's a risk some listeners might take if they just want louder output. All other settings, though, "Normal," "Quiet," and "Off," now consider maximum peak level--or nothing at all--when normalising loudness. Also! Most of the auto-gain features are for playback on extremely limited-response systems like the TV speakers themselves at very low in-room loudness, and often times the huge dynamic range of broadcast and film content is actually a source of complaints, where dialogue can hardly be heard or understood, and adjusting volume to get a clearer understanding results in those impacts or stingers becoming ASTOUNDINGLY loud and forcing the listener to reach for the volume control mid-program. The auto-gain/"stable volume" features being turned on by default usually reduces complaints and makes for a better/smoother experience for most TV users. Anyone interested in the full dynamic range usually knows where the settings are. All this not even mentioning how some soundbars have to perform compression to meet their ambitious extended frequency response/output loudness figures with such small drivers and cabinets. The days of the hifi system are truly over.
Posy! There's autogain on my ears too! When I went to the stadium, I was unfortunate to sit next to a guy with a horn, and now my left ear is still at a lower volume! WHYYYYYYYYYY??????????
I was surprised to hear that the noise at 2:10 was actually not constant on iOS. Turns out the feature is called “Stable volume” and it is indeed enabled by default! Thanks for the PSA, Posy! Also, nice barely suppressed “godverdomme” at the end there. 😄
Having worked with video and audio, knowledge in this is a curse. People are blissfully unaware, but once you learn it you can never un-see it EVERYWHERE.
Forced ReplayGain was good to fight loudness war. But that applies to the whole file at once. AGC or level compression is just baffling sort of. Like OK you might want it in a noisy environment like open headphones outdoors or in a car but you'll usually NOT want it. These hardware and distribution companies shouldn't make the choice for the listener.
But I love motion smoothing. It makes everything look more ALIVE, as if I'm watching real life. It's amusing how motion smoothing makes hundred-million dollar movie sets and costumes look fake and cheap and artificial. They ARE fake and artificial. It's nice.
@@FranklyPeetoonsTVs just don’t have enough processing power to do frame interpolation properly. If you want good motion smoothing, you should use something like Topaz Video AI or AMD Fluid Motion on a PC.
@@ma_er233 A few years ago someone gave us a 46" Samsung UN46FH6030FXZA, which originally cost $10K in 2010. Everything about it screams luxury. It weighs about 30 pounds. It has the best motion-smoothing I've ever seen, in addition to a generally great (HD) picture. I've owned newer, normal-priced HDTVs, and their smoothing had little "hiccups" every now and again.
Kind reminder before watching this video: check to see if that stupid "stable volume" setting in your youtube settings is turned off. If it is, good, have a nice day. If it isn't, turn it off, also have a nice day. Btw for laptop users who have an included EQ app (dolby audio, B&o audio control, dts or some other thing), if you want to "get" more bass, lower the higher frequencies, don't boost the lower ones! Otherwise a similar effect will happen where it'll bring the entire volume down so that the lower frequencies don't peak too much. Some laptops do it more aggressively than others, depending on how garbage their processing is. Learned this rn as I was watching this video lmao
I guess its the same reason that tv manufacturers force smooth motion / motion flow / motion clarity filters (or whatever they call it) on by default, or why game developers insist on putting mouse acceleration into their games, or why mixing engineer decide to brick wall the dynamic range in music - no one really knows, but someone out there must think its a really good idea.
Mix engineers (mostly rather mastering engineers) typically only do what they think actually sounds best. We’re not in the loudness wars of the 90s and 2000s anymore, where that was thought to be necessary. Unfortunately for some, many of todays engineers actually prefere the modern “louder“, less dynamic sound, maybe subconsciously because they grew up in that era. It often is a deliberate stylistic choice nowadays.
Back in 2009, we had living room's Satellite-dish Set-top-box TV aired into our kid bedrooms thru RF cables as an analog channel. (A dedicated analog RCA to RF modulator.) For some reason, our Samsung's LCD TV's automatic volume just made the analog channel so quiet, having the volume at 100% was not enough. DVB-T's uncomfortably loud volume was at 15%. Every. day. My childhood was plauged with jumpscares from switching to a digital TV channel or a VCR/DVD combo. :'D Soooo I got my own opinion about automatic volume This Smart TV limiter is somehow even worse. Good thing I still play from my PC hooked up to TV, yikes.
It’s better now, but I remember as a kid in the 2000s watching TV ads that were like actually distorting a little, just so they could be as loud as possible, and we often had to turn down the volume during ad breaks, if we still wanted to hear when they were over
There has been many times where I have seen others and myself included having to raise the volume on very low volume scenes and then a loud thing happens and you have to lower the volume again. You end up having to change the volume constantly and a modern tv's digital volume control is not fast you have to push several times and it becomes super annoying. There's many situations where auto gain is nice: when you want to hear at low volume at night, when you live on an apartment with noise sensitive neighbours, when your hearing is not great, when you don't want to miss words spoken, when you're on a noisy environment... But, if you don't live in a flat, don't have neighbours, and you're using good speakers, then auto gain off is the way to go.
@@computer_toucher if only that were possible, as demonstrated in the video it is not on streaming plattforms really doesnt matter if my TV isnt doing it if Hulu/netflix/yt is doing it already
Yeah I meant there's no point in watching properly mastered offline media if one does not also turn off auto gain on the TV if it's on... @@Space_Reptile
Holy shit, both my tv and my phone are doing the auto gain thing and there is no setting I could find to turn it off... motherfuckers! My computer speakers are the only audio device in my home I could trust now, the rest of them are dirty LIARS
That's why i hate all those "smart" devices. I will hang on to my 15yo LG tv till it's death. I was also talking about EBU R128 just this afternoon, and i never realized how important and useful that standard is.
This would be a very useful feature for my father who likes to watch action movies but whenever dialog stops and action starts, he turns the volume down then back up again.
Correct, it's a useful option to enable when needed, as an accessibility feature. On Apple TV it's called 'reduce loud sounds' which is what compression does, but many would be confused by that description. "Equalise loudness" would probably make more sense to the average person.
My brother and I play a lot of games and watch tons of movies but always had to have the controller right besides us to immediatly turn it up or down when loud noises came in or the sound was too low, didn't know autogain was a thing
Personally I love putting a full studio compressor rack with a low threshold and high ratio on all my audio devices in my house. Just to make sure everything sounds overbearing all the time.
I have a compressor in my chain that I can enable in one click for youtubers that can't figure out how loudness works.. I hate watching a vlog where they are just talking and then a montage happens with super loud music... to be honest I like the spotify loudness compensation it take the whole tracks loudness in lufs and then makes a single adjustment to the whole track to match it to their recommended lufs. if an artist delivers a track that is lower than the recommended lufs it's their fault the track is run through an aggressive limiter. if an artist delivers a track that is to loud the only thing that happens is it gets turned down a few dB. and this only happens in a playlist. when listening to an album the whole album is considered so that quiet track stay quiet as intended.
The mad British inventor Colin Furze mixes like that, normal voice audio then suuper loud metal montage. I have to watch with a hand on the volume knob.
I wonder if the new "Stable Volume" feature on TH-cam mobile app is doing the same. Edit: just checked using the signal from 2:45 and yes, it is exactly like the TV version. Make sure you disabled it!
Posy, I share your anger. A reason why I never even bought a smart TV. Some even does not support the highest bitrate for the streaming videos... But I would also imagine, that the audio they play, is a different version for the apps, and a differently mixed file already on their servers. So maybe the compression is not applied in the app. Hence noone can turn it off. Btw, nice studio and speakers you have there :)
I literally just found out prior to watching this video that the TH-cam app on mobile had this "Stable Audio" turned on by default under Additional settings
OH GOD. I commented on a video of Simpleflips that the editor should be less aggressive with the gain on the audio!!! I feel so bad now! ;w; this is definitely because of my TH-cam app. EDIT: THERE IS AN OPTION TO TURN IT OFF. THANK GOD
Auto-gain, dialogue enhancement, frame interpolation, enhanced contrast, backlight-dimming (I HATE this one), and so on are all ABOMINATIONS that for some reason are defaulted to on on every modern TV and smart speaker system, and it frustrates me to no end that the cheaper ones usually don't have ANY way of turning them off.
Since I use an AVR for sound, and don't use any TV apps, I never run into this one. But a similar thing seems to happen with TV brightness -- Even with every single possible contributing option disabled, on the PC, on the AVR and on the TV -- it STILL happens that the brightness gets adjusted based on the darkness of the picture.
Most people listen through their TV's rear facing, teeny tiny speakers. Compression reduces the dynamic range of the signal and allows most people to have a better listening experience. It also butchers the audio, but more importantly for these companies it makes the majority of their clients happier.
That's quite a huge difference. Yikes. I knew TV sound editing has been... quite a doozy (especially in the ad department lol), but I did not know there was such aggressive normalization going on in hardware too Good thing our TV has been collecting dust lol
Like what was the point of ending the loudness wars, when you then just drive it into a heavy limiter again at the playback stage? I just disabled TH-cams auto gain setting and did the 2:08 test again and it made a massive difference. But I still hear some obvious compression, just a lot less of it and with a faster release…
I'm more with Louis Rossmann: If you paid for the content to be available in 4K, you should be able to watch it on anything you want, not just on their closed-source TV software. Because the other way, Jack Sparrow is providing a better service.... For free!
On browsers, the culprit is the new "Stable Volume" option, which we can now turn off, luckily.. no idea if the autogain/normalizing was there before we had the toggle, but it's surely horrendous..
well on the web there are extensions, on tvs there are apps or plugins that you can use, but you didnt hear it from me. possible to also software boost over 100%, or remove volume normalization, especially handy on the browsers for better music listening.
The newest version of OxygenOS (Android for OnePlus devices) automatically cuts your volume in half if it has been above 3/4 for more than 20 minutes. Why?!? I use open ear headphones that are very quiet, and high impedance in ears. Very annoying
@Lazy Posy, ik was stomverbaasd te merken dat de white noise steeds harder werd bij dit stukje @2:03. Blijkbaar heeft mijn Marantz surround versterker dus een autogain die je nergens uit kan zetten.. Ik dacht dat Marantz een goed merk was dat zo eerlijk mogelijke audio wil leveren. Wat ik wel vreemd vond echter was dat als ik een white noise youtube video op zet ik wel een contant volume ervaar.. Enig idee hoe dat kan?
The problem is that movie guys keep trying to master the audio to be BOOOM whisper whisper whisper BOOM whisper whisper whisper BOOM BOOM BOOOOOOOM so this is the only way my eardrums won't explode
WHY? The same reason FM radio stations do this as well as the music loudness wars. While driving, channel surfing on your FM radio, could you imagine if 4 out of 16 radio stations were proper volume, broadcasting at what would sound like 1/4 volume. What would you do, skip those 4 of 16 stations, or manipulate the volume inbetween channel surfing while driving. It's a sad way to go, but believe it or not, going the pirate route with high quality public-domain third party players will offer you the true audio level in most cases. Now, take it to the 'Extreme', in windows Speaker Properties / Enhancements - Loudness Equalization - Enable this guy with 'Short' settings. Keep all your player volume settings to the max ans just use your System Master Volume to choose a volume and all videos and audio will come out at 1 perfect single volume to your ear. (Do not use this on you editing workstation PC, it will mess you up.)
Yeah add to this the fact that if you don't have the correct hardware you will be forced to watch a 720p stream on many platforms and you have a recipe for a great watching experience.
I always wonder why music is insanely loud and speaking is inaudible. I wish TV programs had those volume sliders you see in games where you could change that stuff yourself.
After seeing this, I tested my setup: Audio from TV (LG OLED48CXPUB) optical into DAC (RME ADI-2) TH-cam / Chrome / Windows 10 Pro / HDMI -> No auto-gain TH-cam / TV App -> Yes auto-gain
Shocking! I am one of the very small number of people who primarily watches TH-cam via the TV app and now extremely annoyed there's no way to turn this off. It also could be another factor why movies sound sooo much better on disc than streaming (in addition to lossless audio)
In my opinion, client side normalization shouldn't be constant dynamic, it should be fixed dynamic; Volume correction should calculated by pre-buffering the entire audio track and scaling based on the loudest point(s) in the waveform. I dislike having to readjust my sound output for each audio source, but I agree; this aint it.
The easiest solution is to use a PC for media. Install Equalizer APO (or another a vst host/container) then put in a VST compressor and limiter ( there are tons of free ones). If you set it up right, it preserves dynamic range while never being too loud or too quiet.
Recently I turned on TV(Like normal TV channel as today 90% of its biased cancer so no point of watching it)... volume difference between commercials and actual content is MASSIVE, like one time I put decibel meter near TV, movie was around 60dB and commercial was hitting almost 90dB And it was on all channels, with or without "sound enchantments turned on". Hell, most of setting relegated to balance audio made sound even worst as all it do really is just bump mid parts up... Adverts on TV are bumped in volume so if someone often watch tv need to constantly set volume down when commercials hit, and then bump it up when movie start.... where are laws that supposed to prevent that? As they are laws for that because I remember reading about it few years ago... Also If that make you mad think about most stupid idea ever.... putting volume warning on all phones, one that pop up when you try to bump it over 50-60% What the F is point of that?! It dont help or prevent "hearing problems" at all, as most of audio sources are not normalized anyway so you need to often set volume high or low, and that useless popup dont do crap beside making you unlock your phone and click ok to bump it higher
Oh great, the loudness wars came to TV. I always thought streaming service audio sounded crappy compared to Blu-Ray and even DVD copes of the same films, now I know exactly why. I thought it was just them trying to save bit-rate. And don't even get me started on the "Soap Opera Effect"
THERES FINALLY A SETTING FOR THIS (at least on mobile. I haven’t tried it on any other platform. But it’s called stable volume!!! Also, I had submitted a complaint to TH-cam about this when i first saw this video a few weeks back because I also hate audio normalization but I never bothered to complain about it until then. I wonder if anyone else had the same idea. Perhaps there’s power in numbers?)
Auto-gain is really useful when falling asleep to youtube videos. I use a separate program called Easy Effects that aggressively auto gains. No more waking up in the middle of the night because one of the videos in my queue was mixed really hot. No more antagonizing the neighbors. :D I don't use auto gain when listening to music. That would be sacrilege. But it is quite useful for silently mixed, poor audio quality videos like police interviews. Especially combined with noise reduction. Edit: I use a desktop computer and an old "dumb" TV which has none of that app nonsense.
I makes putting sound through a good quality AVR for sure... I spend half my time turning stuff up or down or wondering why the sound has changed so much.
I LOVE autogain. Consistent loudness that's comfortably audible, but not so loud that it annoys other people is amazing....but there should always be an option to turn it off
TH-cam, at least in the browser version and on phones now, have a "stable volume" toggle that's on by default. I admit it's nice sometimes listening to people making stuff and who don't know how to use a compressor or if you have to be quiet, but at least you can turn it off. Tho probably a lot of people won't ever notice that it's there.
ingenious, just found your "new" channel (did not yet get a yt recommendation but actively searched for posy today), and man, now i hate this ducking more than old atrac compression ... and my macbook pro 14" does it too, just like others have noticed with your unlisted video ... hate this, but love you for that ... will haunt us, but we are aware and a loooooot of people will listen tho your clip on almost all their devices 😂 i'll search for my 1st gen ipod mini to test it too ... btw: can you set up a raw audio download link for it, just to make sure ? thx and greetings 👍🤗
Watching this on my old Dell PC running Windows 7 Pro. Video and audio are going through a Display Port-to-HDMI cable into my 32" LG TV that I bought in 2010. No autogain whatsoever! :)
You should make a video about ice. You could include dome timelapses of ice freezing ans such. There are so many nice ice crystals in nature to film. Perhaps not in the Netherlands though.
I prefer compressed audio because I don't like turning the volume up and down all the time. You're right though, the user should be given a choice in the matter
The thing with youtube is, not everyone who uploads are audio engineers. some are just grandpas doing gardening vlogs with a phone camera and builtin mic that are constantly moving between being too close and too far away. I would say if im not watching a movie or listening to music i don't care that much if I'm not exactly "listening the way the creator intended". I do think for platforms that hosts professionally made contents it makes no sense to do it by default in app.
I think I have just experienced this on Disney+. I almost never watch stuff on it, but just now trying to watch a show it sounds like a compressor is constantly trying to duck down any "monotonous" noise, like a car engine in a car scene with dialogue, but it's so bad it even tries to lower sustained string notes! It sounds so bad and constantly takes you out of what you're watching cause the volume keeps going to almost zero at random times. It's baffling that such "features" make it past being conceived, all the way to being implemented. Do people not have ears?
You can make the same video about picture quality. TVs have a lot of "image enhancements": eco mode, auto brightness, dynamic contrast, noise reduction, sharpening/edge enhancement, motion smoothing/frame interpolation... Terrible features.
I just noticed an option in the iOS app called “stable volume”. Hadn’t seen it before, weird timing. Turning it off removed the bs auto gain control. By default it’s on.
As a cable guy, I might see around a dozen different TVs a day. I do installations *and* service calls, and see all walks of life. After nearly two decades of dealing with this crap, I really want to get out of this industry 😖
BECAUSE OF THE LOUDNESS WARS AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE CONSUMING CONTENT ON PHONES OR TVs WITH SUBPAR AUDIO SYSTEMS SO A HEAVILY COMPRESSED/NORMALIZED AUDIO STREAM SOUNDS LOUDER ON THOSE DEVICES (this comment has auto gain enabled)
I have auto-gain on TH-cam desktop in Chrome on Windows 10. However... it doesn't seem to be present in incognito mode. So it's likely some hidden setting tied to my user account.
It must be optional. Urgh. Not everyone is using a TV though it's internal speakers or some crappy side bar. My old, second hand, low cost front speakers are three way, dual 15-inch bass drivers per box. Giant things. I do not want volume compression! I turn it on manually if I have to listen to something with dynamic range quietly, like when the kids are asleep. I use the Apple TV, and movies I 'own' on there (bought from Apple) are fine, and I have the 'reduce loud sounds' options I can turn on or off for them. But watching the same movie on a streaming service quite often the picture is cropped a bit to 16:9, fully saturated with sharpening, audio compressed, just ghastly! We don't have Netflix anymore for that reason. Many older movies there just look horrid.
This is a slap to the face of mastering engineers
To be fair, considering how shitty the sound mastering on many movies is, they deserve being slapped.
Quick answer to WHY: People watching TV in their living room complain when they have to ride the volume up & down in order to hear everything without disturbing the neighbors. Manufacturers seem to assume that most customers never want high dynamic contrast. It’s the same in the music business, as you know. But I agree that there’s no excuse for not making the compression switchable!!
Not being able to turn it off should be a crime, and don't we get started on AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of the tracking data these TV's collect about you.
I really wish media came with an alternate audio track for home use where you have thin walls and you really don't want the neighbours three doors down hearing explosions just so you can make out the dialogue. It would completely obviate this kind of client-side normalisation.
It would be so nice if we could have dynamic audio range, *and* have dialogue we can actually hear.
Content creators will tell you to upgrade your sound system, but streaming platforms only use stereo or 5.1, and it doesn't seem to matter if you have a premium Atmos sound system even with Blu-rays, I can't hear a thing people are saying half the time.
@@proxythe1337 so true, I feel like I do more than a DJ when I'm trying to watch a movie on my system
I don't have a TV, but I do have a custom script to automatically increase a volume beyond 100% in TH-cam for the same reason. (TH-cam computes the content loudness and lower the volume appropriately, but doesn't do the opposite for many reasons.) Originally I used to have a dynamic compressor but it was horrible for the exact reason this video shows. Thankfully TH-cam does show the exact content loudness in its debug information, so I can use that information to do the consistent volume adjustment. THAT should be allowed in my opinion---I want the loudness to be consistent when the overall loudness is within some range (so that a whisper can still stay a whisper), and otherwise keep it as is. Doing this in a TV is destined to fail because it doesn't know the content boundary at all.
As a sound editor for TV I completely understand your pain and it's one of the reasons I don't have a TV.
you being a sound editor for tv and not having a tv is fantastic hahah
@@wanote26 I was a cameraman and editor in TV, and nearly never watched TV, and did not since like 15 years :)
This actually just helped me identify the TH-cam mobile app now has auto gain and turn it off.
And of course it took at least 5 attempts of pressing the button to turn it off. In fact its possible it doesn't work until you put the video in vertical mode
Man, "Stable Volume" in the TH-cam app is pretty useful for watching creators who don't know how to mix sound. I don't know why these companies would enable it by default for professionally mixed stuff though 🤦♂️
i had no idea that setting even existed until reading your comment and you’re totally right turning it off (it was on by default) made the sound test at 2:08 sound just as intended!
*gasp* that means the years i’ve been watching youtube on my ipad (as i am now) i’ve been experiencing the auto-gain-ified version?!!
Aaaaaa I never knew this
Thanks, I just turned it off and did the test again.
Now it is a lot better, but I can still clearly hear some compression, just a lot less and with a faster release
man that’s so crazy, big thanks to you for making my music experience on youtube better
Where is that setting? Can't find it
And still I can't hear the actors who are constantly whispering in most recent movies :D
That's because the dialog usually happens on the Center channel and most systems are too stupid to mix down to Stereo and just take the Front-L and -R channels, dropping everything else.
@@mbirth I'm on PC, and the center channel does get mixed into my L and R channels. The bigger problem lies in the mixing, and overall lost ability of the actors to speak clearly.
@@Vassay It's not the actors my friend. I have been a Production Assistant and 2nd Camera Assistant in many productions and made a few shorts myself. Feature films are mastered for cinema, where you don't have to worry about neighbours and such. For some reason, the entire filmmaking cabal wants you to go to the cinema, and not watch the movies from the comfort of your own home...all of this because that's where they earn the most. DVD sales and Netflix are just a bonus to the first big paycheck.
the curse of being the sound guy
This is a great argument for physical media
The Spotify normalisation isn't like this though. In the default "normal" settings it just punishes mastering engineers who live in the 90s and haven't read the loudness guidelines by turning down the whole album to -14 LUFS. And if you master very quietly it will only ever go to -1 dBTP even if that ends up below -14 LUFS. The limiter only comes in when you manually set normalisation to "loud".
Ok maybe theyve changed it now, last time I checked was a few years ago 😁
@lazyposy didn't even bother to check, so lazy! 🥱
Good to know. It was the first setting I've turned off years ago. A little annotation for people who don't work with music: Mastered -14 LUFS can be LOUD for a normal human being which doesn't visit metallica or In Extremo concerts. People who worked with music pre 90's were mostly deaf srsly.
Sorry for the bad grammar I'am just a native german speaker.
@@MrNo0p As a note from a mastering engineer: -14 LUFS is both not a hard goal for mastering in 2024 (although it is a *very* common normalisation target, including on Spotify and TH-cam), AND it is not necessarily very loud when observed as a measurement of finished music recordings. The "loud" music you referenced can indeed measure across a full track in excess of -7 or -5 LUFS when in the hands of people that know how to get things loud and not sound bad, but that is not necessarily the norm. At the same time, most recordings are not mastered *to be* -14 LUFS, and often land much higher simply because it guarantees a good experience no matter the medium. Loudness normalisation in streaming platforms more or less provides engineers with a "margin" in which there is only a headroom penalty, provided no harm is done. Generally speaking, lower headroom on playback simply means fewer dynamics, more consistency, and more risk of unpleasant distortion, and at the confluence of all three, there's a very adequate compromise for all listeners, since lower peak level will sound more even/controlled. The -14 figure gets thrown around quite a bit, but really only comes into play when setting a sensible maximum amount of headroom on playback, and very little music actually is set that low on distribution. After all, as a listener, *you* have the volume control. Not me.
And a note for @lazyposy: Indeed @sec21 is correct, Spotify's limiter generally does not get touched anymore, as the way they process loudness has been changed a) to use LU as the measurement, and b) to set -1 dBFS as the absolute maximum peak level without setting normalisation to "loud." Doing so really only works if most tracks on playback are within a much smaller margin of loudness, I believe -10 LUFS and up, and everything below that would be damaged, so it's a risk some listeners might take if they just want louder output. All other settings, though, "Normal," "Quiet," and "Off," now consider maximum peak level--or nothing at all--when normalising loudness.
Also! Most of the auto-gain features are for playback on extremely limited-response systems like the TV speakers themselves at very low in-room loudness, and often times the huge dynamic range of broadcast and film content is actually a source of complaints, where dialogue can hardly be heard or understood, and adjusting volume to get a clearer understanding results in those impacts or stingers becoming ASTOUNDINGLY loud and forcing the listener to reach for the volume control mid-program. The auto-gain/"stable volume" features being turned on by default usually reduces complaints and makes for a better/smoother experience for most TV users. Anyone interested in the full dynamic range usually knows where the settings are. All this not even mentioning how some soundbars have to perform compression to meet their ambitious extended frequency response/output loudness figures with such small drivers and cabinets. The days of the hifi system are truly over.
Posy! There's autogain on my ears too! When I went to the stadium, I was unfortunate to sit next to a guy with a horn, and now my left ear is still at a lower volume! WHYYYYYYYYYY??????????
You went partly deaf my friend
@@Schody_lol It's okay, my doc prescribed me meds and I took them. Ear is all fine now.
@@denizo9263 phew! That’s good!
I was surprised to hear that the noise at 2:10 was actually not constant on iOS. Turns out the feature is called “Stable volume” and it is indeed enabled by default! Thanks for the PSA, Posy!
Also, nice barely suppressed “godverdomme” at the end there. 😄
Where do you change the setting? I notice it too but can’t find it.
Nvm found it! It’s in the TH-cam video settings where you would change the quality.
@@Schobbishi don't see it there
I didn’t know about this oh god argh
@@giddycadet in the video player tap the gear icon, then additional settings. In the TH-cam app, not iOS settings.
My car's media system does this and I've spent thousands trying to get it to stop. Genuinely, thank you for bringing attention to this.
Having worked with video and audio, knowledge in this is a curse. People are blissfully unaware, but once you learn it you can never un-see it EVERYWHERE.
Forced ReplayGain was good to fight loudness war. But that applies to the whole file at once. AGC or level compression is just baffling sort of. Like OK you might want it in a noisy environment like open headphones outdoors or in a car but you'll usually NOT want it. These hardware and distribution companies shouldn't make the choice for the listener.
Like what was the point of ending the loudness wars, when you then just drive it into a heavy limiter again at the playback stage?
Also motion smoothing and auto-dimming, absolutely cursed "features". Why don't they just make TV more like computer monitors?
Because they have to place more letters on the box so the average joe thinks it got a good deal.
But I love motion smoothing. It makes everything look more ALIVE, as if I'm watching real life. It's amusing how motion smoothing makes hundred-million dollar movie sets and costumes look fake and cheap and artificial. They ARE fake and artificial. It's nice.
@@FranklyPeetoonsTVs just don’t have enough processing power to do frame interpolation properly. If you want good motion smoothing, you should use something like Topaz Video AI or AMD Fluid Motion on a PC.
If you want the video to be displayed as input, you need a computer monitor.
@@ma_er233 A few years ago someone gave us a 46" Samsung UN46FH6030FXZA, which originally cost $10K in 2010. Everything about it screams luxury. It weighs about 30 pounds. It has the best motion-smoothing I've ever seen, in addition to a generally great (HD) picture. I've owned newer, normal-priced HDTVs, and their smoothing had little "hiccups" every now and again.
Kind reminder before watching this video: check to see if that stupid "stable volume" setting in your youtube settings is turned off. If it is, good, have a nice day. If it isn't, turn it off, also have a nice day.
Btw for laptop users who have an included EQ app (dolby audio, B&o audio control, dts or some other thing), if you want to "get" more bass, lower the higher frequencies, don't boost the lower ones! Otherwise a similar effect will happen where it'll bring the entire volume down so that the lower frequencies don't peak too much. Some laptops do it more aggressively than others, depending on how garbage their processing is. Learned this rn as I was watching this video lmao
It's great, I can't disable it anymore. It's forced on. Thanks youtube.
2:05 wake up babe, new Posy banger just dropped
I guess its the same reason that tv manufacturers force smooth motion / motion flow / motion clarity filters (or whatever they call it) on by default, or why game developers insist on putting mouse acceleration into their games, or why mixing engineer decide to brick wall the dynamic range in music - no one really knows, but someone out there must think its a really good idea.
Game Developers who turn on FXAA by default
Or game developers who leave FXAA as the ONLY option
Mix engineers (mostly rather mastering engineers) typically only do what they think actually sounds best. We’re not in the loudness wars of the 90s and 2000s anymore, where that was thought to be necessary. Unfortunately for some, many of todays engineers actually prefere the modern “louder“, less dynamic sound, maybe subconsciously because they grew up in that era. It often is a deliberate stylistic choice nowadays.
*Pirates of the Caribbean theme starts playing*
Back in 2009, we had living room's Satellite-dish Set-top-box TV aired into our kid bedrooms thru RF cables as an analog channel. (A dedicated analog RCA to RF modulator.)
For some reason, our Samsung's LCD TV's automatic volume just made the analog channel so quiet, having the volume at 100% was not enough.
DVB-T's uncomfortably loud volume was at 15%.
Every. day. My childhood was plauged with jumpscares from switching to a digital TV channel or a VCR/DVD combo. :'D
Soooo I got my own opinion about automatic volume This Smart TV limiter is somehow even worse. Good thing I still play from my PC hooked up to TV, yikes.
The youtube app on my Apple TV updated within the last few days with an option to turn it off. So there's at least some traction on this.
Compressor and Limiter abuse is the cause of so many ills in the world today... lets not forget ads with the audio processed to deafening levels
And THAT is exactly why we can't have nice things. Outrageous
It’s better now, but I remember as a kid in the 2000s watching TV ads that were like actually distorting a little, just so they could be as loud as possible, and we often had to turn down the volume during ad breaks, if we still wanted to hear when they were over
@@josuastangl7140 sounds a lot like TH-cam. ;)
I think it's hilarious how the ad breaks are when all these services decide that loudness normalisation no longer matters, so they switch it off.
There has been many times where I have seen others and myself included having to raise the volume on very low volume scenes and then a loud thing happens and you have to lower the volume again. You end up having to change the volume constantly and a modern tv's digital volume control is not fast you have to push several times and it becomes super annoying. There's many situations where auto gain is nice: when you want to hear at low volume at night, when you live on an apartment with noise sensitive neighbours, when your hearing is not great, when you don't want to miss words spoken, when you're on a noisy environment... But, if you don't live in a flat, don't have neighbours, and you're using good speakers, then auto gain off is the way to go.
Sure, so you should just have a "night mode" that you elect to turn on as necessary. But as demonstrated, we often don't even get the option.
another great reason to own all the media you consume and watch it OFFLINE
Just remember to turn off your TV's or sound system's auto gain :p
@@computer_toucher if only that were possible, as demonstrated in the video it is not on streaming plattforms
really doesnt matter if my TV isnt doing it if Hulu/netflix/yt is doing it already
Yeah I meant there's no point in watching properly mastered offline media if one does not also turn off auto gain on the TV if it's on... @@Space_Reptile
@@computer_toucher oh okay yea true, very true
Your anger is as righteous as your voice is ridiculous, go off king! And thanks for that unlisted video, defo gonna test my phone and tv with it now
Holy shit, both my tv and my phone are doing the auto gain thing and there is no setting I could find to turn it off... motherfuckers! My computer speakers are the only audio device in my home I could trust now, the rest of them are dirty LIARS
That's why i hate all those "smart" devices. I will hang on to my 15yo LG tv till it's death.
I was also talking about EBU R128 just this afternoon, and i never realized how important and useful that standard is.
This would be a very useful feature for my father who likes to watch action movies but whenever dialog stops and action starts, he turns the volume down then back up again.
Correct, it's a useful option to enable when needed, as an accessibility feature. On Apple TV it's called 'reduce loud sounds' which is what compression does, but many would be confused by that description. "Equalise loudness" would probably make more sense to the average person.
My brother and I play a lot of games and watch tons of movies but always had to have the controller right besides us to immediatly turn it up or down when loud noises came in or the sound was too low, didn't know autogain was a thing
I've been waiting for this video ever since the “Found Footage” video. Finally!
Personally I love putting a full studio compressor rack with a low threshold and high ratio on all my audio devices in my house. Just to make sure everything sounds overbearing all the time.
😂 That cracked me up
I have a compressor in my chain that I can enable in one click for youtubers that can't figure out how loudness works.. I hate watching a vlog where they are just talking and then a montage happens with super loud music...
to be honest I like the spotify loudness compensation it take the whole tracks loudness in lufs and then makes a single adjustment to the whole track to match it to their recommended lufs. if an artist delivers a track that is lower than the recommended lufs it's their fault the track is run through an aggressive limiter. if an artist delivers a track that is to loud the only thing that happens is it gets turned down a few dB. and this only happens in a playlist. when listening to an album the whole album is considered so that quiet track stay quiet as intended.
The mad British inventor Colin Furze mixes like that, normal voice audio then suuper loud metal montage. I have to watch with a hand on the volume knob.
I wonder if the new "Stable Volume" feature on TH-cam mobile app is doing the same.
Edit: just checked using the signal from 2:45 and yes, it is exactly like the TV version. Make sure you disabled it!
Posy, I share your anger. A reason why I never even bought a smart TV. Some even does not support the highest bitrate for the streaming videos...
But I would also imagine, that the audio they play, is a different version for the apps, and a differently mixed file already on their servers. So maybe the compression is not applied in the app. Hence noone can turn it off.
Btw, nice studio and speakers you have there :)
Posy ranting is the best content around
at least TH-cam allows you to disable "volume stabilization"
Thanks for pointing this setting out!
Where do I find this setting?
where setting is?
@@EggBastion on mobile i found it in the video's ⚙️, then Additional. Haven't checked if it is a thing on desktop.
it is glitchy though. sometimes it refuses to toggle... 🙄
I literally just found out prior to watching this video that the TH-cam app on mobile had this "Stable Audio" turned on by default under Additional settings
Yeah, turning that off seemed to disable auto gain
yeahh
but whyyyyy??!!😫
OH GOD. I commented on a video of Simpleflips that the editor should be less aggressive with the gain on the audio!!! I feel so bad now! ;w; this is definitely because of my TH-cam app.
EDIT: THERE IS AN OPTION TO TURN IT OFF. THANK GOD
Some Portable Bluetooth Speakers also have something like this that cannot be turned off and it drives me crazy, JBL GO is one I remember
*watching this video on my pc*
"Maybe one day autogain will be turned off by default!"
*bluescreen*
Thanks posy your rant killed my PC 😂
Auto-gain, dialogue enhancement, frame interpolation, enhanced contrast, backlight-dimming (I HATE this one), and so on are all ABOMINATIONS that for some reason are defaulted to on on every modern TV and smart speaker system, and it frustrates me to no end that the cheaper ones usually don't have ANY way of turning them off.
dialogue enhancement can be useful in some cases, but I agree with the sentiment
Since I use an AVR for sound, and don't use any TV apps, I never run into this one. But a similar thing seems to happen with TV brightness -- Even with every single possible contributing option disabled, on the PC, on the AVR and on the TV -- it STILL happens that the brightness gets adjusted based on the darkness of the picture.
Most people listen through their TV's rear facing, teeny tiny speakers. Compression reduces the dynamic range of the signal and allows most people to have a better listening experience. It also butchers the audio, but more importantly for these companies it makes the majority of their clients happier.
this is why i hook up a PC to my non-networked TV and pirate all my movies.
That's quite a huge difference. Yikes.
I knew TV sound editing has been... quite a doozy (especially in the ad department lol), but I did not know there was such aggressive normalization going on in hardware too
Good thing our TV has been collecting dust lol
Look like Davinci resolve for the video edit software, a good choice. This youtube channel is excellent, I learn a lot of interesting things.
Like what was the point of ending the loudness wars, when you then just drive it into a heavy limiter again at the playback stage?
I just disabled TH-cams auto gain setting and did the 2:08 test again and it made a massive difference.
But I still hear some obvious compression, just a lot less of it and with a faster release…
0:13 so THAT'S why rapp snitch knishes didn't sound as good as I remember. Thanks!!
I'm more with Louis Rossmann: If you paid for the content to be available in 4K, you should be able to watch it on anything you want, not just on their closed-source TV software. Because the other way, Jack Sparrow is providing a better service.... For free!
Nice allegory!
I am so ready for the era of Angry Posy
On browsers, the culprit is the new "Stable Volume" option, which we can now turn off, luckily.. no idea if the autogain/normalizing was there before we had the toggle, but it's surely horrendous..
well on the web there are extensions, on tvs there are apps or plugins that you can use, but you didnt hear it from me. possible to also software boost over 100%, or remove volume normalization, especially handy on the browsers for better music listening.
YOU CAN TURN OFF AUTO GAIN NOW
Clearly.. the user can't be trusted with the volume control any more..
The newest version of OxygenOS (Android for OnePlus devices) automatically cuts your volume in half if it has been above 3/4 for more than 20 minutes. Why?!? I use open ear headphones that are very quiet, and high impedance in ears.
Very annoying
Dumbed down technology for the masses just for "better UX". And sadly, dumb people prefer this way
Someone send this to Louis Rossman
Damnit Posy you have broken me. Now i recognize the auto-gain telltale everywhere and it ruins my experience.
I feel you. Recorded many songs from an online radio which compressed the music with some very inhumanely shitty settings.
Omg dude this is going to fricking bother me every time I hear it now
@Lazy Posy, ik was stomverbaasd te merken dat de white noise steeds harder werd bij dit stukje @2:03. Blijkbaar heeft mijn Marantz surround versterker dus een autogain die je nergens uit kan zetten.. Ik dacht dat Marantz een goed merk was dat zo eerlijk mogelijke audio wil leveren. Wat ik wel vreemd vond echter was dat als ik een white noise youtube video op zet ik wel een contant volume ervaar.. Enig idee hoe dat kan?
The problem is that movie guys keep trying to master the audio to be BOOOM whisper whisper whisper BOOM whisper whisper whisper BOOM BOOM BOOOOOOOM so this is the only way my eardrums won't explode
WHY? The same reason FM radio stations do this as well as the music loudness wars. While driving, channel surfing on your FM radio, could you imagine if 4 out of 16 radio stations were proper volume, broadcasting at what would sound like 1/4 volume. What would you do, skip those 4 of 16 stations, or manipulate the volume inbetween channel surfing while driving. It's a sad way to go, but believe it or not, going the pirate route with high quality public-domain third party players will offer you the true audio level in most cases. Now, take it to the 'Extreme', in windows Speaker Properties / Enhancements - Loudness Equalization - Enable this guy with 'Short' settings. Keep all your player volume settings to the max ans just use your System Master Volume to choose a volume and all videos and audio will come out at 1 perfect single volume to your ear. (Do not use this on you editing workstation PC, it will mess you up.)
I did not miss that fart you snuck in ;p
Thank you for bringing this up, it's just stupid! 🤨
TH-cam has now added a stable volume option on my phone, tv, and pc
i just realised something completely random but we here in Switzerland have the same tv box as you. didn't know that
Yeah add to this the fact that if you don't have the correct hardware you will be forced to watch a 720p stream on many platforms and you have a recipe for a great watching experience.
I always wonder why music is insanely loud and speaking is inaudible. I wish TV programs had those volume sliders you see in games where you could change that stuff yourself.
The mobile youtube app has an option to disable it!
After seeing this, I tested my setup:
Audio from TV (LG OLED48CXPUB) optical into DAC (RME ADI-2)
TH-cam / Chrome / Windows 10 Pro / HDMI -> No auto-gain
TH-cam / TV App -> Yes auto-gain
1:50 I think I have that exact model of VCR!
Shocking! I am one of the very small number of people who primarily watches TH-cam via the TV app and now extremely annoyed there's no way to turn this off. It also could be another factor why movies sound sooo much better on disc than streaming (in addition to lossless audio)
I Like Lazy Posy
This is the WORST, I just noticed this yesterday while listening to my music playlist!
In my opinion, client side normalization shouldn't be constant dynamic, it should be fixed dynamic; Volume correction should calculated by pre-buffering the entire audio track and scaling based on the loudest point(s) in the waveform. I dislike having to readjust my sound output for each audio source, but I agree; this aint it.
The easiest solution is to use a PC for media. Install Equalizer APO (or another a vst host/container) then put in a VST compressor and limiter ( there are tons of free ones). If you set it up right, it preserves dynamic range while never being too loud or too quiet.
Recently I turned on TV(Like normal TV channel as today 90% of its biased cancer so no point of watching it)... volume difference between commercials and actual content is MASSIVE, like one time I put decibel meter near TV, movie was around 60dB and commercial was hitting almost 90dB And it was on all channels, with or without "sound enchantments turned on". Hell, most of setting relegated to balance audio made sound even worst as all it do really is just bump mid parts up... Adverts on TV are bumped in volume so if someone often watch tv need to constantly set volume down when commercials hit, and then bump it up when movie start.... where are laws that supposed to prevent that? As they are laws for that because I remember reading about it few years ago...
Also If that make you mad think about most stupid idea ever.... putting volume warning on all phones, one that pop up when you try to bump it over 50-60% What the F is point of that?! It dont help or prevent "hearing problems" at all, as most of audio sources are not normalized anyway so you need to often set volume high or low, and that useless popup dont do crap beside making you unlock your phone and click ok to bump it higher
Oh great, the loudness wars came to TV. I always thought streaming service audio sounded crappy compared to Blu-Ray and even DVD copes of the same films, now I know exactly why. I thought it was just them trying to save bit-rate.
And don't even get me started on the "Soap Opera Effect"
THERES FINALLY A SETTING FOR THIS (at least on mobile. I haven’t tried it on any other platform. But it’s called stable volume!!! Also, I had submitted a complaint to TH-cam about this when i first saw this video a few weeks back because I also hate audio normalization but I never bothered to complain about it until then. I wonder if anyone else had the same idea. Perhaps there’s power in numbers?)
Auto-gain is really useful when falling asleep to youtube videos. I use a separate program called Easy Effects that aggressively auto gains. No more waking up in the middle of the night because one of the videos in my queue was mixed really hot. No more antagonizing the neighbors. :D
I don't use auto gain when listening to music. That would be sacrilege. But it is quite useful for silently mixed, poor audio quality videos like police interviews. Especially combined with noise reduction.
Edit: I use a desktop computer and an old "dumb" TV which has none of that app nonsense.
I personally love complaining. Thanks for giving me something new to complain about!
I've not watched TV in about 10 years, and even back then auto gain was a pain in my rear end!
I makes putting sound through a good quality AVR for sure... I spend half my time turning stuff up or down or wondering why the sound has changed so much.
I did like the little "squit" at the end though hehe
I LOVE autogain. Consistent loudness that's comfortably audible, but not so loud that it annoys other people is amazing....but there should always be an option to turn it off
What is "other people"?
/s
TH-cam, at least in the browser version and on phones now, have a "stable volume" toggle that's on by default. I admit it's nice sometimes listening to people making stuff and who don't know how to use a compressor or if you have to be quiet, but at least you can turn it off. Tho probably a lot of people won't ever notice that it's there.
ingenious, just found your "new" channel (did not yet get a yt recommendation but actively searched for posy today), and man, now i hate this ducking more than old atrac compression ... and my macbook pro 14" does it too, just like others have noticed with your unlisted video ... hate this, but love you for that ... will haunt us, but we are aware and a loooooot of people will listen tho your clip on almost all their devices 😂 i'll search for my 1st gen ipod mini to test it too ... btw: can you set up a raw audio download link for it, just to make sure ? thx and greetings 👍🤗
Watching this on my old Dell PC running Windows 7 Pro. Video and audio are going through a Display Port-to-HDMI cable into my 32" LG TV that I bought in 2010. No autogain whatsoever! :)
You should make a video about ice. You could include dome timelapses of ice freezing ans such. There are so many nice ice crystals in nature to film. Perhaps not in the Netherlands though.
I prefer compressed audio because I don't like turning the volume up and down all the time. You're right though, the user should be given a choice in the matter
The thing with youtube is, not everyone who uploads are audio engineers. some are just grandpas doing gardening vlogs with a phone camera and builtin mic that are constantly moving between being too close and too far away. I would say if im not watching a movie or listening to music i don't care that much if I'm not exactly "listening the way the creator intended". I do think for platforms that hosts professionally made contents it makes no sense to do it by default in app.
Posy you're literally so cool
I suppose you are refering to the time he spent outside taking the pictures for the blizzard video 😄
I think I have just experienced this on Disney+. I almost never watch stuff on it, but just now trying to watch a show it sounds like a compressor is constantly trying to duck down any "monotonous" noise, like a car engine in a car scene with dialogue, but it's so bad it even tries to lower sustained string notes!
It sounds so bad and constantly takes you out of what you're watching cause the volume keeps going to almost zero at random times.
It's baffling that such "features" make it past being conceived, all the way to being implemented. Do people not have ears?
this is why im using a computer for my entertainment purposes, I want control
i love bald man screaming at tech +1
You can make the same video about picture quality. TVs have a lot of "image enhancements": eco mode, auto brightness, dynamic contrast, noise reduction, sharpening/edge enhancement, motion smoothing/frame interpolation... Terrible features.
TH-cam in a browser now has "stable volume" checked by default
I just noticed an option in the iOS app called “stable volume”. Hadn’t seen it before, weird timing. Turning it off removed the bs auto gain control. By default it’s on.
As a cable guy, I might see around a dozen different TVs a day. I do installations *and* service calls, and see all walks of life. After nearly two decades of dealing with this crap, I really want to get out of this industry 😖
BECAUSE OF THE LOUDNESS WARS AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE CONSUMING CONTENT ON PHONES OR TVs WITH SUBPAR AUDIO SYSTEMS SO A HEAVILY COMPRESSED/NORMALIZED AUDIO STREAM SOUNDS LOUDER ON THOSE DEVICES (this comment has auto gain enabled)
🤣 sO trUe.
I have auto-gain on TH-cam desktop in Chrome on Windows 10. However... it doesn't seem to be present in incognito mode. So it's likely some hidden setting tied to my user account.
It must be optional. Urgh. Not everyone is using a TV though it's internal speakers or some crappy side bar. My old, second hand, low cost front speakers are three way, dual 15-inch bass drivers per box. Giant things. I do not want volume compression! I turn it on manually if I have to listen to something with dynamic range quietly, like when the kids are asleep. I use the Apple TV, and movies I 'own' on there (bought from Apple) are fine, and I have the 'reduce loud sounds' options I can turn on or off for them. But watching the same movie on a streaming service quite often the picture is cropped a bit to 16:9, fully saturated with sharpening, audio compressed, just ghastly! We don't have Netflix anymore for that reason. Many older movies there just look horrid.