Unwritten Rules of Ham Radio

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  • Ham radio exams cover RF, regulations and ohms law, but how do you learn what to say and when? Let's listen to the radio and uncover secret conventions and best practices. Don't be a Lid! With a little luck, you can be your own best operator! :)
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  • @cosmicinsane516
    @cosmicinsane516 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Hams never find a lack of reasons why other hams are hamming wrong.

    • @tedmead465
      @tedmead465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sad hams that is.

    • @ChoppingtonOtter
      @ChoppingtonOtter หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seems like that what the hobby is actually about for many.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Too many new hams think they know how to ham right when in-fact they are hamming wrong.

    • @WhiteCavendish
      @WhiteCavendish 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So many sad, sad hams. One of the biggest reasons I don't bother with ham radio.

    • @daveengstrom9250
      @daveengstrom9250 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You got that right. Those are the fat guys in their mom's basement... you know, tough guys.

  • @nealbeach4947
    @nealbeach4947 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ive called CQ on the 2m simplex frequencies for 44 years as have most of the old guys in my area but never on a repeater frequency.

  • @chichimus
    @chichimus ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Good topic, good channel :)
    A few points I'd like to add.
    ZED is used because ZEE is too easy to confuse with b,c,d,e,g etc.
    I would still encourage hams to use the phonetic alphabet anytime they're on the radio. Gets you familiar with it and it was designed for clarity. It does help. Especially if you have any hint of an accent which you probably do to someone out there. My first call had an "F" in it and it was constantly misheard, even on 2m, as "S"
    You may hear a rare(ish) station ragchewing on HF. No matter how much you want to contact them, wait. Do Not start barging in on the conversation. They don't owe you a contact.
    You forgot one of my favourites, The ham who is on HF calling CQ "CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, CQ, XYZ123" and waits 2 seconds and repeats. Please don't do this.

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zed is the way to go 😉

  • @utahradioman
    @utahradioman หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always use phonetics on VHF UHF FM, especially when I'm the NCS running our club net and checking in late or missed, and visitor stations. And phonetics are required for DEM RACES Nets.

  • @cbman4767
    @cbman4767 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The reason it is called "LID" is back in the day the new operators would build a receiver that would tap on a coffee can lid to receive Morse code. They still had more then the basic hams of today.

  • @totally_not_a_robot1342
    @totally_not_a_robot1342 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hell I have my extra class license but am so busy with school that I forget lots of the small things. Best of luck with your ham radio hobby and thanks for the great video.

  • @wb2dx717
    @wb2dx717 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    when checking in to a net on vhf it is generally preferred to use phonetic alphabet to aid the net control station, this helps in 2 ways. one is to clarify your call and second is to give the NCS time to write it down. and usually goes like this, this is wx2y , whiskey Xray 2 Yankee, also use of phonetics is standard practice when one makes contact with a new station on any ham band.

    • @ag1382
      @ag1382 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always considered HF Q codes and Phonetics were not used with FM Analog and definitely not with Digital voice. Exceptions would be a net control station requesting phonetics as a normal procedure for the net, or by a station attempting to hear a station that may be extremely difficult to hear. How about LOUD and Clear report using DMR, C4FM, etc., LOUD usually represents terrible audio.

  • @jackK5FIT
    @jackK5FIT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great suggestions along with a great delivery. Thanks. We have a bunch of new hams and I will show this video at our Jan. club meeting. Thanks again.

  • @DonzLockz
    @DonzLockz ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great for new guys like me. You are right, some of this was not fully communicated in training well enough I think.
    I am guilty of kerchunking cause of suffering "mic fright". 🤷‍♂️
    Thanks Craig,....my name is Don and I'm a LID!😆🙋‍♂️73

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      literally made me LOL Don! thanks for the support ;)

    • @skullyface
      @skullyface ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A lot of hams dealt with (or deal with) mic fright. Just remember, you aren't talking to perfect people...we don't expect you to be perfect either. I got my ticket in 2017 and I STILL flub my own call sometime. You will eventually get to the point where it comes natural.

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm going to get a fellow commonwealth station on HF one day.... 🙏... One day...

  • @CliffFoxKU4GW
    @CliffFoxKU4GW ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The most common method to break in and join a QSO on a repeater is to key up between the other station's transmissions and simply say your callsign.

    • @nativetexan9776
      @nativetexan9776 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah that is great as long as they are not quick keying and not leaving room to break in..

  • @NeatFreq
    @NeatFreq ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mr. Jones - Counting Crows

  • @GH0ST369
    @GH0ST369 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the ham etiquette.

  • @dennism.calderone9461
    @dennism.calderone9461 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My Elmer taught me to also tune HF in a different mode and lower power, for instance, if I am tuning I switch from USB or LSB to AM and reduce poser to 15 watts. Tune the radio to the antenna and then switch back to USB or LSB. Power should be back at original setting, if not bump up to the power level you need to transmit and make the contact.

    • @eugenecbell
      @eugenecbell 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why is this procedure desirable?
      I’m new and don’t get it.
      Your odd mode will still transmit on the frequency you are trying to not interrupt, no?
      I’m also not understanding if the auto antenna tuning actually has to transmit.

  • @robertdaniel2735
    @robertdaniel2735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video... you have described my issues exactly... and solved my issues. Thank you! Out of Canada 73.😀👍

  • @jeffsimmons4686
    @jeffsimmons4686 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff here for a brand new tech, namely me. Guitar player also :) Thank you, learned a lot here.

  • @nativetexan9776
    @nativetexan9776 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If it is not listed on FCC rules and regs, it is gentleman's agreement passed down through decades of operators and needs to be respected by incoming CB operators

  • @williambrooks6629
    @williambrooks6629 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video. You covered a big subject and there are a lot of Hams out there who want to do things their way. I don't want to come across as being dramatic but particularly on HF, you are representing your country. When you give your callsign, the world is listening. 73 Will VK5WB

  • @thomaslange2262
    @thomaslange2262 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Highly recommend Don Keith's N4KC book Riding the Shortwaves. that covers a bunch of "now what" info that is perfect for new ham's.

  • @roscoe1052
    @roscoe1052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, this vid was very helpful.

  • @Terry-ib6uv
    @Terry-ib6uv ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "Q signal", "R-S-T system" and "S meter" are three separate methods of signal reporting. For example, S-7 (S meter) does not necessarily equate to 5-7 (RST system). S meters are indicating a physical relative signal at the receiver antenna terminals. RST reports are based upon what you are hearing. Wikipedia is misleading on the relationship between S meters and RST. Telling someone they are "5-9 plus _" is nonsensical. Best of best regardses Craig ...a fun video! 😊

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The R in the RST system is based on how well you're hearing. The S in RST is in fact your S meter reading.

  • @1912rider
    @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are no "radio checks" in amateur radio, they are however available and abundant on CB channel 19 and any of the various GMRS repeaters.

  • @Roddy1965
    @Roddy1965 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I find many ops say their call so darn fast on VHF you can't get the call. That's ok for when they're talking to their buddies, and know how they sound etc., but otherwise it can be really different to hear the 'speed mumble' callsign.

    • @bensmith4563
      @bensmith4563 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think most say their call too fast on every band

    • @Henryham-g8tmh
      @Henryham-g8tmh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just ask them to repeat it slowly , but yes a lot of stations tend to rush their callsign.
      Guess it’s an offshoot of the high pressure fast lives we live.

    • @eugenecbell
      @eugenecbell 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They even do it at the ham club, they all know each other for years and I’m new. I think they think I’m retarded because I give my call with the phonic alphabet.

  • @skullyface
    @skullyface ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video. I could have used this when I was a noob. Thanks for mentioning tuning up on a frequency. It's one of my pet peeves and results in an instant "LID" comment under my breath.
    Others have already mentioned the use of phonetic alphabet on VHF/UHF. Some nets will actually require phonetic check-ins. It's best to listen for a while and see what other hams in your area are doing. If you are on a net like an ARES net, for example, follow their rules on check-in procedures. Usually they will ask for a full phonetic callsign only once at check-in.
    Excellent video. Keep up the great content. 73

  • @brentjohnson6654
    @brentjohnson6654 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video on the practice of ham radio. I am recently licensed Tech & General in 2020. I am slowly building up my hardware for both home (QTH) and mobile. I like the treat others as you want to be treated. Al the best. 73 de KI5HXM

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fun fact: QTH is the spot where you are at the moment, be you mobile or stationary.

  • @eugenecbell
    @eugenecbell 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When I was in college a LID was a good thing.

  • @jimedwards9310
    @jimedwards9310 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All good advice. ❤

  • @theodoreroberts3407
    @theodoreroberts3407 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm on my second license and I'm still a lid. Only my club told me about some of the best practices. I am willing to listen so I can become a better operater. 2 and 70 cm.
    To date, I have never argued with anyone. The repeater does cut me off when I'm gving my call sign.

  • @snort455
    @snort455 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is good stuff. Thank u

  • @dougtaylor7724
    @dougtaylor7724 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you are curious about what NOT to do, listen in on 7.200 or 3.927. They will gladly demonstrate how to be a complete pain in the rear.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      truth! Same with 146.520 in most metro areas of the US

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Perhaps you don't realize 80m is regional and the internet is global.

  • @tpobrienjr
    @tpobrienjr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being a LID is knowing better and still doing it.

  • @robertbower9862
    @robertbower9862 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe I missed it, did you mention the dreaded Roger beep? It seems to be the most hated sound on the VHF/UHF bands.

  • @sacsmitty
    @sacsmitty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny, I just now discovered the channel, so much content to catch up with. I was told to never use the term “monitoring” at any time. Is it appropriate to give someone a 5 9 signal report on a repeater?

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL - thanks for hanging out with us. sooo, no on the 59 on a repeater. Unless they want to know how well you receive the repeater itself. For some reason on VHF we give "percents"... " you're about 80% into the repeater"

    • @sacsmitty
      @sacsmitty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KM6LYW I’ll own it, I use “arm chair copy” for a solid signal into a repeater. I have no idea if that’s objectionable, I just enjoy saying it.

    • @thomasmanson1119
      @thomasmanson1119 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hey, thanks for this Craig, this is a great topic especially for us old guys that have lot touch with current ham stds! I’m a EE that really just took my general test a few years ago and never spent a lot of time rag chewing or contesting, these unwritten rules are perfect for me. 73 Tom KC3QAC

  • @rftech1608
    @rftech1608 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    best bumper music ever! what is a lid? lol

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A lid is a noob operator

  • @ProspectorsGhost
    @ProspectorsGhost หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can remember back years ago when I was young back in the 1960’s that Hams loved to fire up a ham radio and talk to other hams either locally or around the world about things such as what equipment they had either bought or personally built etc.. Yes, they also did contests pertaining to seeing how many contacts they could reach around the world sort of like what CBers would call “Shooting Skip” as well. But, from What I’ve seen and heard by many of the hams here on youtube that’s no longer the case. It has now turned into a world of nothing more than “Round the World” Contest’s and they frown upon other hams if all they just want to do is use their ham radio’s for nothing more than talking to other hams either locally or around the world about things such as what equipment they had either bought or personally built etc.. From their own mouths, Quote, “You have to keep it short and sweet” unquote. They conveniently imply without saying so that anything else is not acceptable. Evidently it’s become nothing more than keep it short and sweet with only a 30 to 60 second “Shoot Skip” style of contact to as many contacts as they can or else it is in violation of FCC Ham Radio rules and regulations as well as ham radio etiquette because it interferes with and interrupts other ham radio operators doing their contests. To me it’s sad that the World of Ham Radio has become that way. With that in mind it’s no wonder why they have trouble getting more people into ham radio as it is no longer fun.

    • @ProspectorsGhost
      @ProspectorsGhost หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1912rider Thank You Sir. Here are a couple more questions.
      According to FCC rules and regulations a person is only allowed to hold one license. Ok, here is a real life scenario. If you are already licensed for GMRS and you have a GMRS call sign and you decide to upgrade to Amateur Radio and you actually pass the tests and get a ham license does the FCC issue you another call sign. If so, then it brings up the following 2 questions.
      Question one. - What happens to the GMRS license and call sign? Does the GMRS license and call sign stay valid and you have to use the GMRS call sign on GMRS frequencies and the Ham Radio license and call sign on the Ham frequencies or does the Ham license and call sign override and invalidate the GMRS license and call sign and you can only use the Ham radio license and call sign on and for both GMRS and Amateur radio frequencies?
      Question 2. - When you apply for a GMRS license you have to apply for and get an FCC ID number prior to applying for the GRMS license. When you pass the test for a Ham Radio License do you use the same FCC ID number you applied for and received for GMRS for the Ham Radio license or do you have to apply again for a different FCC ID number prior to applying for a Ham Radio license and call sign?.
      Just curious, as I’m already a licensed GMRS operator and now I’m trying to study for and get a ham radio Technician’s class license.
      Do you or anybody else out there know the answer to those questions?

  • @kellydiver
    @kellydiver 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve never heard of ”don’t use the phonetic alphabet on VHF” before. Is that really a thing? I always use phonetic the first time or when the signal is not clear, as it was developed to improve clarity of comms.

  • @FirstLast-fl7mo
    @FirstLast-fl7mo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phonetics are really useful for the whole B, D, E, V confusion

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      .... P, Z, C, G, T

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@KM6LYW Always pronounce your Z's as zed (as every single English speaking country in the world except one does) and you can remove that one from your list.

  • @MountainMan7.62x39
    @MountainMan7.62x39 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    OMG I had no idea about the tuning sound

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're putting out a carrier while tuning - that's a tone.

  • @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595
    @echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 ปีที่แล้ว

    New tech question. I know the FCC wants hams to communicate in English, but if you’re in range of a repeater in Mexico for example, what language should you use?

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      good question, i don't know if there is a regulation, however I hear people start in English, then switch to a favorite language.

    • @JakeSweeper
      @JakeSweeper ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As to that, my understanding of the rule is that only the callsign needs to be said in English, preferably phonetically, at the beginning, about every 10 mins of transmission, and at the end of the contact. So long as that rule is obeyed along with no encoded messages (hidden meanings), the conversing stations can talk in whatever language they desire.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is no FCC requirement to communicate in English on amateur radio. 97.119 requires your ID on phone to be in English, that's it. Your ID needs to be at the end and every 10 minutes during a contact. There is no FCC requirement to ID at the beginning of a contact, but it is good practice so the person talking to you knows who to call.

  • @dolphstarwind1183
    @dolphstarwind1183 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I may have been guilty of accidentally hitting the siren button on my Baofeng while tuned to a repeater. I don't have my license yet and was just listening. I panicked and just quickly turned off the radio and kept it off for a while.
    On a related note, there is an option in the menu to have that panic noise just played through the speaker and not transmitted, which i quickly did when I got home.

    • @craig9309
      @craig9309 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We've all been there! "hey what does this..." SIREN SIREN SIREN! :)

    • @Jeff-sp7bg
      @Jeff-sp7bg หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't worry about it. Ham radio would be dead without jammers

  • @lickablestinkage7783
    @lickablestinkage7783 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had a lot of intrest in amatuer radio during high school, my science teacher was a huge radio guy, unfortunately I kind of lost intrest after high school, but Im starting to get intrested in it again and thinking about getting an amatuer radio liscense now. These tips will help a lot if I do

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wish you luck in your pursuit of an amateur license. Even if you don't get on the radio often, the license and the radio are good things to have. You never know when you might need it.

  • @joel6221
    @joel6221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @11:24 What is the gizmo that says "ALDER"?

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Welcome to the channel :). i go on and on about that thing. digipi.org

  • @greenflagracing7067
    @greenflagracing7067 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    good vid, you got a subscriber. 73s good buddy.

    • @greenflagracing7067
      @greenflagracing7067 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ToppKatt7 one day, YL, you'll discover the concept of a joke. 73s, putz.

  • @Ardren
    @Ardren ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I don't understand why I shouldn't call CQ on 2m/70cm? How else are you meant to announce that you're trying to make a contact on simplex frequencies? (I know people are funny about saying CQ on a repeater, but saying "Listening" means exactly the same IMO).
    (Edit: Referring to the image that was up on the screen)

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yah, i'll admit I've called CQ on 146.52, repeaters, not so much.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Simple: "any station on frequency this is (your call)" - make that calla few times on either a somplex frequency or on an open repeater frequency. Or you can say something like "(your call) listening and standing by for a call". Or, you can call CQ on 2 meters and not get the response you're looking for. Oh, someone will talk to you, but it will probably be someone explaining to you why we don't call CQ on 2 meter FM.

  • @JoJa015
    @JoJa015 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am new to Ham Radio. Is it possible to use digital aids to help interpret and communicate in CW?

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! checkout "fldigi", it can decode and encode CW. At least it tries.

    • @JoJa015
      @JoJa015 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KM6LYW I assume by you saying it tries, it is not the best at decoding it right? I wonder with machine learning if a model could be trained to decode Morse code.

    • @cwguy8960
      @cwguy8960 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Learning morse code is not difficult - despite what you might be led to believe. Many thousands of hams were required to learn it back in the day. 26 letters, 10 digits, a few other symbols...I recall learning it in a week - but after that, practice makes perfect. It's still my favorite mode. I learned off of a Radio Shack cassette tape back in 1980 using the EISHTMO method. Right there are 7 letters you can teach yourself tonight! Good luck - I hope to hear you on CW sometime!!

    • @bensmith4563
      @bensmith4563 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @cw guy I find it to be incredibly difficult to learn code what is easy for some isn't for others

    • @cwguy8960
      @cwguy8960 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bensmith4563 Yes, totally. I practiced daily for a long time, and then when I could get on the air, I tried to use it daily, or at least copy code if I wasn't in a qso. To this day, over 40 years later, I still try to listen most days, even if I have to stream it through my iphone via an online SDR receiver for a few minutes. It seems that constant exposure hammers it home. There are several techniques for learning - perhaps you might want to try a different method that works better for you. I really hope you succeed!!

  • @jukingeo
    @jukingeo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:30 Mr. Jones - Counting Crows. Wow! A lot of good info here. I had been on the fence about getting a ham license for a while. However, I really didn't fully know what it is that ham radio operators do. Most videos I have seen, it seems as if a ham radio operator makes a contact, and the two parties identify each other, and discuss location and maybe a few words about gear and / or the weather in their area and then they move on. Conversations seem to be very short and very monotonous. There is very little small talk or what ham operators refer to as "rag chewing". While that might be fine or even fun for those wanting to ONLY make DX contacts, it has me wondering if you want to have a lengthy conversation with someone. I have even heard that repeaters can time you out! So, that being said, I been getting the gist that "rag chewing" is frowned upon. I am wondering now, if I might be better off going the route of CB radio as the investment is far less and you don't need a license. Rag chewing is a big thing there...or at least as far as I remember. I remember that CB was very big in the 70's and a good part of the 80's. I have heard that truckers still use CB today, but not to the extent as it used to be. The problem with CB is the limited power and range, even though I have heard of instances of where it is possible to "skip" transmissions off the atmosphere and long distance communication is possible. But, while it is cheaper, I am not sure if I should make the investment into CB gear, only to find that no one in my area is using CB radio. Whereas, I know the field of Ham radio is alive and well and can definitely do DX work. So even though your video has shed some more light on what it is that ham operators do and the unwritten rules they follow, I am still very much on the fence about getting into ham radio. I been thinking about getting a receiver only radio and perhaps just listen to what is going on, at least that isn't as big of an investment as a transceiver. I don't know. I guess I just still need more information.

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup! MrJones! Ham radio is what you make of it. It's about community. each repeater has a different "vibe" just like any other chat room. some are for ragchewing, some are literally for search-and-rescue operations. get that scanner! in a busy area you'll get a feel for the communities. On HF, on contest days, it's just callsigns and gridsquares being exchanged, and that's okay too.

    • @jukingeo
      @jukingeo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KM6LYW Up to now, I was mostly watching TH-cam clips and was getting the gist that Ham radio seems to be about quick contacts, unless there is an emergency situation to talk about. But outside of that, I would think that just looking for contacts alone would get pretty stale, after a while. But yeah, I would be more along the lines of rag-chewing. At any rate, it did look like I was going to have to buy some kind of radio to see what was out there. I did some research and had come across a classic radio that might fit the bill. It is the Panasonic RF-1150. It features SW with SSB and also the CB band. It also has AM/FM too. It has connections for an external antenna and runs off batteries. So I am probably going to go with that, just to see what is out there. Thanks for the input!

  • @goodoz9942
    @goodoz9942 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here's the best way to chase me away from a QSO/rag chew. Part 97 requires that a station/operator identify "their station call sign" to begin, every 10 minutes thereafter and to end a QSO. When I respond to an operator's CQ and realize that they are in the habit of identifying both my call sign and their call sign at the end of "every" transmission, I may try to hang in for a few exchanges depending on my level of interest. But in general, one of my next transmissions will usually be, "hey, something just came up...gotta' run, 73." To make that even more annoying (IMO), many do that using phonetics. We already stated and acknowledged each other's call sign at the beginning of the qso...there's no need to keep sounding it out as if I don't know who you are (or who I am). We're not trying to land a 777...can't we just have a pleasant talk, exchange some knowledge, express some humor? Having said all of that, I usually do check out of a QSO by stating the other station's call sign followed by mine...without phonetics! If, at that point, the other station still did not copy my call sign, they are welcome to ask...no problem. Everyone goes in the log and I sometimes forget too! Cheers and 73!

    • @jaym1301
      @jaym1301 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's probably just a newbie afraid he or she will go over the 10 minute rule and get into trouble so they err on the side of caution and exchange callsigns in every over. I wouldn't worry about it, I'd just ignore it. Pretty soon they'll be comfortable enough talking on the radio that they'll forget to ID the way most of us do. :)

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      You might consider which band you're working. Some foreign nations regulatory agencies require their licensees to ID both their station and that of the foreign station. So, if you're working the HF bands, while not particularly common, it is possible you will hear a station ID their station and the station they're QSOing. 30 years ago when I was coming up it was said to me that there is only one (my call) on the planet, say your call proudly and frequently. Every over, probably a bit much, but there is no rule prohibiting it.

  • @ml.2770
    @ml.2770 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can call cq wherever I want including 2m fm.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      certainly you can, but you might not get the desired response if you call CQ on VHF / UHF FM

  • @Insaniac99
    @Insaniac99 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just about everyone of these (except kerchunking the repeater) I've heard people explicitly advise the opposite of you, LoL

  • @sacsmitty
    @sacsmitty 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The one urinal rule!!! 😂😂😂

  • @joel6221
    @joel6221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We say Q R ZED because saying "Zee (Z) can sound like "See (C)"

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And because the 26th letter of the alphabet is pronounced zed in every English speaking country in the world except one.

  • @Henryham-g8tmh
    @Henryham-g8tmh 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you want to call CQ on 2mts go ahead. If I hear a station doing it I will still reply to them the same as any other calls I hear.
    The only thing you need to worry about is, keep within your license privileges.
    K.I.S.S.
    A little common sense and listening will get you through the rest.
    Don’t make a very simple thing like talking on your radio so complexed.
    Enjoy the ride, you ain’t never going to kill anyone by playing radio.
    73

  • @Andrew-bj1tk
    @Andrew-bj1tk 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are still a lid!

    • @craig9309
      @craig9309 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      w00t! take off eh!? ya nob

    • @eugenecbell
      @eugenecbell 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lol

  • @AI5DQ
    @AI5DQ ปีที่แล้ว

    That was Mr. Jones wasn't it?

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว

      Winner! Counting Crows, Mr Jones

  • @Bedsheet_Necktie
    @Bedsheet_Necktie 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought a Lid was 1/4 lb of doobage. Oh well..... Smoke em' if You Got em'
    🙃🙃🙃🤪🙃😉🙃

  • @AubsUK
    @AubsUK ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:36 - It's Zed not Zee, because that's how the letter is supposed to be pronounced in English (aka British English)! 😜
    "zed is technically the correct version in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canada, India, Australia, and New Zealand, and zee is technically correct in the United States"

  • @the1spyderryder
    @the1spyderryder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's not required to have music. LID is a CBr

  • @pale_2111
    @pale_2111 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. I had a few experiences with lids in my short time as a HAM. One time I was on 15m in early 2022 calling CQ. Made a few contacts that day and had some nice 10 to 15 min QSO'S. One station from Hawaii came back to me.
    Just after we finished our QSO, some station called the gentleman from Hawaii, completely ignored me. Didn't put his call and waited to be recognized. Nope, just called the station in Hawaii so he can work them on SSB.
    Needles to say, I got heated over it. I'm perfectly fine with people wanting to join in on a qso, but put out a callsign and wait to be recognized, we'll get a round table going.
    Don't call a station when there's a qso going on, even if one hasn't worked whatever country, state or county. Just wait until someone has recognized you. Don't just start calling stations when the frequency is in use.
    73, W4ISB
    Mike in Tennessee

  • @seandrake7534
    @seandrake7534 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So how are you supposed to tune in a signal if you go yo a different frequency to tune what am i missing here
    Yeah im not even a lid yet

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  หลายเดือนก่อน

      that's a great question - most tuners use the same tuning solution for a 10Khz range or so. go up 3Khz, and it's no different.

    • @seandrake7534
      @seandrake7534 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@KM6LYW I'm still confused how are you supposed to tune the person in when you change the frequency don't you have to be able to hear them when tuning them in I'm assuming you are talking about fine tuning and why is the radio transmitting noise while you're turning them in

  • @caseykc7abc499
    @caseykc7abc499 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Signal check not radio check!

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen!

  • @edschroer613
    @edschroer613 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What am I missing? I was taught "Z" is Zulu.

    • @travisbakeriii3053
      @travisbakeriii3053 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zulu is in the alphabet. I use Zed from time to time. I'm aware British and Canadians say Zed for Z. They're interchangeable and I haven't been criticized for it. QRZed is always used to move on to another call in a contest.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Zed is the Latin script letter "Z". Just like metric measurement, most folks around the world use Zed.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Zulu is the phonetic for Zed. Zed is the name of the 26th letter of the alphabet in every English speaking country in the world except one.

  • @stargazer7644
    @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don't use phonetics on VHF? Say what? You use phonetics any time clarity is needed, regardless of what band or voice mode you're using.

  • @XJwolf4
    @XJwolf4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Found a video of the baofeng siren. Yeah, its annoying as hell.

  • @justawfulgamer7738
    @justawfulgamer7738 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rule #1. Don't be a dick

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Amen!

  • @cbman4767
    @cbman4767 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The other thing is NEVER talk about religion or politics on Amateur radio.

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was literally on my notes -- i skipped it somehow. :) Agreed.

    • @alzeNL
      @alzeNL ปีที่แล้ว +4

      meanwhile on 80 meters.... ;)

    • @KM6LYW
      @KM6LYW  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alzeNL I know right? anything goes

    • @JakeSweeper
      @JakeSweeper ปีที่แล้ว

      Heh... We get that too often on CB; channel 19 can get like an audio version of Twitter.

    • @chrisbeerad8835
      @chrisbeerad8835 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      in todays political environment and censorship i think we should be discussing politics a lot.

  • @electrolytics
    @electrolytics หลายเดือนก่อน

    Use the NATO phonetics. Hams out there picking random words out of thin air to use for phonetics is confusing and annoying.
    That's why it's standardized.
    Is this really because people can't remember Alpha, Delta, Charlie etc.....

  • @chrisbeerad8835
    @chrisbeerad8835 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    im done with weather reports . Im done with people being too scared to talk about life changing events . its gutless . . taking antennas down asap and get involved with people and hobbies that create strength not poor health and weak minds . seven threes all . enjoy ya 5 n9 60 degrees windy and 70 % humidity for the next 20 years i got a life to live .

  • @cbman4767
    @cbman4767 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Use the Phonetic Alphabet when checking a net on ALL frequency's, (HF, VHF and UHF). It is to respect the net controller. Some may have over 200 hams checking the net all with different accents and please DON'T use the US crap like Adam, use the real version Alpha.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    '7 3' is inappropriate to say. The expression is '73'. No 'seven-thirds'. No seventy threes'. No '7's and 3's'. No '7 3'. Just say 'seventy three'.

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wrong. It is "Seven Three". That's it. Not "seventy-three" or "seventy threes" or even "seven threes". I'm not sure which bands / frequencies you're listening to, but it's been "seven three" globally for a little more than a century.

    • @johnwest7993
      @johnwest7993 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@1912rider, On sideband in the 1960's on HF in the USA I heard 73. I listened to a whole lot of hams say just that. I can only point out what I heard thousands of times.

  • @junkman2758
    @junkman2758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Zed is a word not a letter or a proper phonetic in the US. Free America please say QRZ. Rest of the stuff sounds pretty good

    • @jamess1787
      @jamess1787 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Boo.
      It's QR zed, don't be lazy. Zee is too easily confused with too many other letters in the Q list.

    • @bensmith4563
      @bensmith4563 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most of the rest of the world z is zed not zee

    • @junkman2758
      @junkman2758 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bensmith4563 yea well in America unlike the rest of the world we still use freedom units to measure not metric.
      I’ll still say zee or if needed phonetically “Zulu” because “America”

    • @Man0fMeans
      @Man0fMeans 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Q R Zulu

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Zed is the name of the 26th letter of the alphabet in every English speaking country on the planet except one.

  • @jimglover6448
    @jimglover6448 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    delay = "0.5" #number of seconds to pause after displaying each line
    while IFS= read -r line;
    do echo $line
    sleep $delay
    done

  • @Col_Sanders
    @Col_Sanders 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think it's funny when people on brandmeister worldwide TG tell me that I'm coming in 5-9.

  • @N1IA-4
    @N1IA-4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be great if the ARRL took the lead on educating new hams on ethics and courtesy on the air. 20M SSB is a terrible place to be on, imho. A lot of rude and crazy boomers who run way too much power and talk way too much about nothing. Thinking of others, keeping it brief, and LISTEN are key touchpoints. Good video.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And you think calling someone a "crazy boomer" isn't being rude?

    • @N1IA-4
      @N1IA-4 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stargazer7644 this didn’t go over the air - this is TH-cam

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@N1IA-4 And that makes a difference how?

    • @N1IA-4
      @N1IA-4 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stargazer7644 The topic of the video is on-the-air practices. Not social media practices. People think they can do what they want on the air with zero consequences. This video is educational. My opinion about the video - and those whom it refers- on a social media platform is my right and irrelevant. The FCC has rules about on the air conduct. TH-cam has totally different rules about speech. But it isn't limited just because it hurts someone's feelings.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@N1IA-4 Or maybe you're just a richard wherever you go.

  • @TonyYork-KB9RAO
    @TonyYork-KB9RAO 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kerchunking a repeater is also illegal, transmitting without Identifying yourself.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's perfectly legal so long as you ID within 10 minutes. It just isn't proper.

  • @anonymousperson8487
    @anonymousperson8487 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ham Karen. Zzzzzz

  • @VK5FUSE
    @VK5FUSE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good information thank you 👍 73

  • @chrisbeerad8835
    @chrisbeerad8835 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i use 10.4 on 20m . who cares? hf is hf put ya top hat away

  • @garycook5125
    @garycook5125 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Right between the "no music" rule and the "no broadcasting" rule (that you mentioned), is the rule that's most often violated. That one you skipped, is the rule that says not to use the ham frequencies for "communications on a regular basis". It says to use other available radio services, instead (CB radio, cell phone, GMRS). All of these rules fall under "FCC 97.113 Prohibited Transmissions". Remember, the FCC requires a test, because they want assurance that they are only going to issue a license to those who will respect (and follow), all of their rules. If any of the FCC rules weren't important, they wouldn't have created, and published them. All repeater communities are expected to follow the same set of rules (those published by the FCC). These rules aren't up for interpretation; they're very clear.
    The constant talking over the Amateur Radio Service bands by licensees, as if they were using a CB radio, shows disrespect for their license, and the license of Hams who choose not to violate the FCC rules. If the rules aren't important, there's no point in taking a test and getting an Amateur Radio Service license, just start transmitting on ham frequencies (like a CB radio operator); you don't need a license to break the rules.

    • @DonzLockz
      @DonzLockz ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What about regular Net's? Is that allowed officially, do they define regular communications?

    • @garycook5125
      @garycook5125 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DonzLockz 99% of so-called "Training Nets" are nothing more than round table roll calls, and "ragchew" gossip sessions that unnecessarily tie up repeaters. This also violates FCC 97.113 (specifically subsection a,5). During extended times of national emergencies where other communications are unavailable, checking on people via radio is encouraged. Under no emergency, these "nets" are only playgrounds for bored people, and do nothing to serve the public.

    • @christophermcclellan8730
      @christophermcclellan8730 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      How dare people use a radio to *gasp* talk to people?!
      I mean, don’t use the National calling frequencies to chat with your buddy. Move it to a different frequency, but good grief dude… I wonder why younger guys feel like they’re not welcome in the hobby.

  • @riaanzs1zarconradie291
    @riaanzs1zarconradie291 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hit the PTT and wait at least 2 seconds before transmitting. MOST guys are scanning multiple repeaters and simplex frequencies. Your transmission might be so quick that nobody even pick up your transmission. It's over before the radios scan sequence reach your frequency. 73/88

  • @hayato4574
    @hayato4574 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please use the NATO Alphabet. Italy, sugar, kilowatt, sansibar or radio are NOT part of this alphabet. Each time i hear this substitutions my blood preasure is increasing. 😫

    • @jiml40
      @jiml40 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don’t let the little things get to you 😊

    • @1912rider
      @1912rider หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Amen! I do not respond to ops using alternate phonetics.

    • @eugenecbell
      @eugenecbell 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This for the same reason we don’t learn CW by counting. Both cause extra brain activities to be performed and are to be avoided.

    • @Bedsheet_Necktie
      @Bedsheet_Necktie 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I like Naughty Phonetics
      A as in Adultery
      B as in Bondage
      C as in Crapped my pants......
      🤪

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That would be Zanzibar. It's an island in Africa.

  • @randyhavener1851
    @randyhavener1851 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!! I wish someone had done this discussion when I got my license a few years back!!
    73 de N9RANdy

  • @stephenweiss8457
    @stephenweiss8457 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Like the video FROM Nova Scotia, Canada, Stephen VA1SIW (Glenmont N.S. VE1AEH-R #144.180, NODE 309062.) 73