thats already a better title then the title of the video. its confusing to separate the macedonians from the other greeks like the title of this video does. why people still do this...
Northern Macedonians are Ancient Greeks!! Philip and his Son the Greek Alexander spread Greek language and Culture not Macedonian. I'm sure all of you know this lol Alexander did this through a process called Hellenization!!! When Alexander the Great expanded his empire, he established Greek city-states, appointed Greek administrators, and brought in Greeks to govern. These leaders made their regions "Greek" to gain Alexander's favor, promoting Greek culture. His approach facilitated easier governance through cultural uniformity.
@@MrAndyTrejo You need to read the primary sources. Macedon was hegemon over Greece. Why is it called the Macedonian Empire? Greeks never had an empire. The Greek forces in Alexander's army were only 7000, and he dismissed them once he had consolidated his power in Persia. He could never trust the Greeks because they revolted several times. First, Philip had to crush them at Chaeronea and force them to make him Strategos Autokrator. When he died, the Thebans, Funded by Darius III, and supported further by Athens and other smaller Greek city-states, revolted against Alexander while he was campaigning against the Illyrians and Thracians, which had forced him to draw heavily from the troops in Macedonia that were maintaining pressure on the city-states of southern Greece to keep them in subjection. Alexander ended his campaign and moved so fast into Greece and caught the Thebans by surprise which led to the Battle of Thebes. He crushed them and razed Thebes to the ground and sold thousands into slavery; Thebes never fully recovered. The rest of the Greeks, frightened by this stopped any plans of revolting, which they were planning but hesitant to do. They conferred upon him even greater honours than they did Philip. When Alexander was busy campaigning in Persia, the Greeks again revolted, and it was the Spartans this time. Antipater had to leave Macedon and move south to face king Agis and his Spartans, which he did and crushed them. Then again the Greeks collaborated with Memnon of Rhodes while Alexander was in Persia, to attack his supply lines but Memnon died of illness and the whole thing fell apart. The Greeks were always ready to betray Alexander even taking Persian money in the process. 1. Why would they constantly undermine him if the campaign was for Greece? 2. Why did he get rid of the entire 7000 Greek force, only leaving a handful of Greek generals, who were his friends, if the campaign was for Greece? 3. Why did he not send to Greece a single coin from the treasure captured in Persia but instead sending it to Macedon? 4. Why is it recorded in history as the Macedonian Empire and not the Greek Empire? The Macedonians and Greeks did not have the same culture nor language. The Greeks referred to them as barbarians. The Macedonians weren't even allowed to take part in the Olympic Games, and there's no evidence of them ever taking part in the Games for at least 200 years until king Alexander I, wanting to take part in the Olympics claimed that his dynasty was founded by Perdiccas, the son of Temenus, a descendant of Heracles. Only then did the Greeks allow Macedonians to take part. You do know Demosthenes do you? Let's look at what he said to the Greeks about Philip and the Macedonians: "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31. The famous words that this Greek orator from Athens used to describe the Macedonian king Philip II, and the Macedonians. As for the Macedonians having a different language, I refer you to the Trial of Philotas in Curtius' - Histories of Alexander. ''One charge made against me is that I disdain to communicate in my native language, that I have no respect for the Macedonian customs (which means I have designs on an empire I despise!). That native language of ours has long been rendered obsolete through our dealings with other nations, and conquerors and conquered must learn a foreign tongue.'' - Curtius VI. 23. These words by Philotas reveal - a) His native tongue was Macedonian b) Macedonians must learn the tongue of people they conquer c) Greek is referred to as a foreign language (Greeks were conquered by the Macedonians and forced into submission as we've seen from the battles they lost to Philip, Alexander and Antipater) d) He doesn't respect Macedonian customs; which if you read the ancient sources, are different to Greek ones Similarly, a passage from Pausanias (Paus. IV, 29) describes a Macedonian attack on Messene in 214-213 B.C. ''The people of Messene thought it was the attack by the Spartans, but from their 'weapons and voice' understood them to be Macedonian.'' Cleitus' episode [Plutarch: The Age of Alexander]: ''But Alexander leaped to his feet and shouted in the Macedonian tongue for his bodyguard to turn out, a signal that this was an extreme emergency'' (p.309). Plutarch-Greek Lives (p.360): ''called out in Macedonian for the Shieldbearers.'' Now, please provide your proofs from the primary sources (Arrian, Plutarch, Curtius Rufus, Diodorus and Justin) that Philip and Alexander spread the ancient Greek language and culture. Counter the proof that I've provided that there was a Macedonian language; don't use any modern day sources, use the ancient sources, people who lived in Alexander's time or those who wrote their histories from the primary sources that they took from.
Macedonia was at this time truly a force to be reckoned with, Phillip learned much from the likes of Epaminondas and Pammenes of Thebes. Phillip turned Macedon from a back water relatively weak and unimportant Greek Kingdom, to the mightiest power in the Hellenic, and known world. Astonishing. Thank you for the video.
@hellfruit5612 Save for the fact that they self identified as Hellenes, and their land as Hellas, spoke Greek, wrote Greek, worshipped Greek Gods, descended from Greek tribes, and participated in the exclusively Greek only Olympic games, if not Greek then what?
Glorious battle! Very well done. Most TV documentaries could learn something from you. Also, thank you for reminding me of the times when I played the Europa Barbarorum mod for hours without end.
One of my fave battles. I heard Alexander was only 17 here weeks before he turned 18. He had proved himself as a Regent at age 16 when Phillip II left for Byzantine. Sensing the weakness of a teen, some men staged a rebellion. Alexander organized a task force and squashed it, impressing his father and everyone by his leadership and courage and skill. They say he had a magnetic personality and could lead a team well.
😏 "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31. The famous words that this Greek orator from Athens used to describe the Macedonian king Philip II, the father of Alexander the Great, prior to Philip’s conquest of Greece.
It would be accurate if instead of "Greeks" the title "South Greeks" was used , because Macedonians were also another Greek tribe, Greeks of the North.
Battle of Chaeronea was fought between the allied Greek states of Argos, Macedonia, Thessaly and Arcadia AGAINST the allied Greek states of Athens Thebes Corinth Megara Achaea and Chalcis.
Isocratis one of the most famous tutors was convincing Athenians to follow Philip as the greek leader of all Greeks, and just read what Alexander the great told, the greatest Macedonian of all, if Macedon was greek or not: In a letter that Alexander sent to the Persian king Darius III of Persia in response to a truce plea he said: your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you” Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II, 14, 4
The battle of Chaeronea was a battle between the allied Greek states of Thessaly, Macedonia, Argos and Arcadia.........VS............the allied Greek states of Athens, Thebes and Corinth etc
@@branislavpavlovic9918 Actually Philip never said that. Its actually you saying that. Philip actually procaimed proudly that he was Greek and wished to be the 'hegemon' - leader of all the Greeks.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse actually you would love he didn't say that. Actually he did x and you will find it if you read more. You will also find lines as : " In the Alexander's army , there are two confronted nations, MACEDONIANS and HELLENS." ( Buy glasses 🤓)
@@branislavpavlovic9918 No he didn't. And lets quote Professor Donald Kagan, Sterling professor of Greek history, Yale University. *_"The Macedonians claimed very proudly, powerfully and insistently that they were Greeks"_*
200 dead with 2k for the greeks.... actually not that bloody if you do think about it without the movie views creeping in. Civil War, Great War or WW2 battles were worse by far. The real hell scene would have been a city like Tyre, where Alexander put it to the sword after siege. Thousands of men women and children killed, thousands more raped and brutalized with survivors sold as slaves. Makes you long for the comparative safety of the battlefield.
@@katwooten905 It's part of human history and prehistory, probably began with the elimination of the Neanderthals. Mass murder has happened again & again. Today's woke horror of colonialization is amusing considering extermination often the alternative. My first shock to romanticising antiquity was what the "noble" Athenians did to Melos. Just wait until the "glories" of WWIII.
@@katwooten905 Or what he did to Thebes after Chaeronea, the near total destruction shocked the other Greek city-states. Alexander's army was not well funded either; they had to win to eat after this as they went south. They were broke. That changed when they got Darius's gold later.
Macedonians are greeks like Athenians , Spartans etc.. This was one more battle for domination over the Greek world , just like the peloponnesian war and so many other battles between the greek states . The title is misleading ..
Connais tu vraiment l histoire par tes propres recherches Ou tu connais ce que ont nous raconte depuis 17-18 siècle Le nome grece n existant pas à l époque Tu veux rire ce que ont appelle aujourd’hui grece eux même ils déteste ce nome Ça n’a jamais existé Ils été tous ilirian
Great content as always ! Two monumental works regarding the legacy of the Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia are: “The Rise of the Greeks” of Michael Grant and “Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C.: A Historical Biography” of Peter Green. Truly masterpieces.
Ineed, very personal too, not like today where we majority fight and kill at a distance, this warfare was in close. You had to physically dispatch the man in front of you and so on, you looked the man in the eyes when you fought him, and If you killed him, or as he kills you.
Just imagine if you can what it was like, to be standing side by side with your friends and family, in a slug fest with spear, sword and shield. What an absolutely horrible view. The screams the blood so thick you would lose your footing it was everywhere! I can’t even fathom to see such a spectacle. 😔
@gmwwc fear , group think, imaging being on the front lines with a wall of men pushing you from behind. The Greeks managed a 10 to 20% casualty rate , by the time of Alexander he managed a 50% kill rate and by the time of the Romans close to 80% . Men butchering other men like cattle
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 These people are delusional with their Japanese flag. There is no ‘Ski’ in the Macedonian language. They arrived I the area 600AD and they claim to be descendants of Alexander. Make Vardaska Great Again instead of trying to steal other people history
it is quite odd that no accounts refer to Antipater, Parmenion, Perdiccas, Poliperchon, Cleitus the Black and other generals and senior officers at Phillip's court. I'm sure they all - or almost all - were engaged in this battle, and yet no mentioning of them in any sources. It is especially strange as just 2-3 years from then, during Alexander's eastern campaign, the reports are so detailed about his army's formation, naming literally each battalion commander in every battle they held in Asia and India.
We have so many detailed information about Alexander's campaign because Anabasis of Alexander was written by Arrianus ,who was a military commander. It was written almost 4 centuries after Alexander the great but he had access to the original script of Ptolemy's "Alexander's Actions".
@@thanostnt correct! but the reasons of so so meagre data on Chaeronea still remain unclear. Hellenic world was a highly advanced society then, and their bureaucracy must have included scrutinized accounts on such an epochal event. If we can know that 300 Spartans "had been combing their hair the night before the last battle at Thermopylae" some 150 years hitherto, or the names of all and sundry Persian courtier during Xenophone's Anabasis, how come there's no mentioning of such outstanding figures as Parmenion and/or Antipater who - most probably - were around Phillip that day?
It has been written that Philip took a tour of the battle after it was all over and, coming upon the sight of where the Sacred Band of Thebes had fallen, wept at the death of such brave men...you won't find that sort of humanity among too many military leaders today...
are you a professional historian and do you agree with the opinion presented in the title that the macedonians were not greek? if you agree with this your educational and intellectual level is lower than amoeba.
@@Euro.Patriot a kingdom of which both royals and peasants were speaking greek, believed the greek gods, participated in the Olympics, had greek names defeated Athens and Thebes. Buddy this is literally every day in the greek world. A battle royale if you want to say, in which the greek kingdom of ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝ came out on top. If you want to speak about the supposed "macedonian language" you don't need to. The Pella curse tablet already shows enough. If you want me I can also debunk the new "macedonian" identity 👍
Partially because of the newer game engine, and partially because these videos lack the cheesy "game show format", these are a hundred times better than Time Commanders. Not as funny for obvious reasons, but much much better.
THE WHOLE TITLE IS WRONG.ACTUALY MACEDONIA-NIANS ARE GREEKS... they butched up parts of history...Athens-Theves-Sparta-Corinthus-Plataees-Macedonia-Mycenaes-Thessaly-Epirus were Cities-States AND THEY WERE ALL GREEKS.Of course they fought each other ..just for training against Persia all together except Sparta for one battle or so. ..I Liked it tho tbh!
@@WarAndHistory. You are so very welcome ..I suggest the name of the title to change a bit like to be more topicistic,i mean for ex. Macedons Phalanx VS Athenians or smthing like this.Greeks is a very general call.
A VERRY NICE TRU DETAIL IS FORGOTTEN TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS BATTLE . The theban 300 sacred band where a elite force of lovers ! Thebans believed they would fight much harder to save there lovers in battle . Yes they where homo sexual ... They where the elite from the thebe armie. Because they fought so brave King fillip shouted " doomed are the man who think this men did wrong things in there lives !!!! " In greece those times homo sexual men where supposed to be real men and they looked up to them and being adored . For the greeks the male boddy was a kind of art. This is why archeolgic find so much sculptures of naked men....
Hi, thanks for youre reaction., it probably will depend wich state it was. In Athena they admire the naked male boddy, in thebe to . This iw why the greeks maded so much naked sculptures of men; Probably in sparta this was not the case...Spartans would not allouwd homo's .... I'm not gonna discus it with you, because I have readed this in manny books . Probably you also would have noticed it depends of who have written the book. There so manny books about the ancient greeks....@@SILK_7744
the spartans thought of letting a man have anal sex with him was the greatest respect but it dosent matter how looked at the male body some of there greatest philosipers though of homosexality as a un natrual act since animals did not do it they had many bad words for gays and the idea that you woulkd fight harder to protect your lover makes no sense as you would be worried for them the whole time it made much more sense that they may had been freinds not lovers in fact that whole idea came about durning the fight for gay rights by one historian the athenans made fun of gays calling them women @@peterderidder9922
In fact, the Athenians did manage to repel and push back the Macedonian right flank,it was not a King Philip's planned retreat.However the inexperienced Athenian commander in charge made a hasty decision and ordered his flank to pursue the Macedonian right flank, ignoring the warnings of his subordinates who advised maintaining their ground. This misstep was seized upon by Alexander, who capitalized on the opportunity to attack and flank the coalition army without his father's orders. Realizing their mistake, the Athenians eventually fell back, but it was too late. However, they managed to retreat in an orderly manner. The casualties were relatively low for both sides because Philip, known as a military and political genius (some even claim he surpassed Alexander in this regard), aimed to win the sympathy of his fellow Greeks. He wanted them to support him against the Persian Empire, and he achieved this by demonstrating care for the fallen Athenian and Theban soldiers and releasing the prisoners.Amother reason is that It was always a bad and costly idea to attempt to completely destroy an army of hoplites once they had accepted defeat. Alexander failed to learn this lesson, and he paid the price in the future when he faced a Greek mercenary force fighting for the Persians. After their defeat, these mercenaries offered their services to Alexander, but he decided to eliminate them. In the subsequent battle, he lost more men than he had lost in his entire Asian expedition.
Alexander saw them as traitors so he killed them out of anger or to send a message. The losses were possibly worth the reward of all Greeks knowing they would be shown no mercy if they joined Persia.
Alexander learned his lesson. The Greeks his father spared were the core of those who revolted against his rule…and Alexander burned Thebes to the ground.
Eternal glory to King Alexander who fulfilled the unification of all Greek City States & Kingdoms, in order to avenge the Persians invasions 150 years before… His father King Phillip II had already established this monumental Hellenic League - the League of Corinth. Eternal Hellas 🔥🏛️🇬🇷
Alexander the Great visited the site of Ancient Troy in 334 B.C., as he embarked on his campaign against the Persian Empire, leading a unified Greek Army (Hellenic League). The visit to Troy held both personal and strategic significance for Alexander. On one hand, it fulfilled his long-held desire to pay tribute to his hero Achilles and connect with the glorious past of Greek mythology. On the other hand, the visit served as a powerful symbolic gesture that showcased his intention to unite the Greek world under his rule and carry on the legacy of the legendary heroes. Upon reaching the Tomb of Achilles, Alexander took a moment to pay his respects and acknowledge the greatness of the legendary warrior. Then, Alexander poured oil over the tomb, a customary practice in ancient Greek funerary rituals, symbolizing purification and sanctification. He also placed garlands of flowers and foliage on the tomb, signifying honor and respect for the deceased. Next, Alexander and Hephaestion sacrificed animals, likely horses, to honor the spirits of Achilles and Patroclus. This ritual was meant to appease the souls of the dead and seek their favor. Finally, Alexander is believed to have organized athletic games at the site, following the ancient Greek tradition of hosting such competitions in memory of deceased heroes. By paying homage to Achilles, Alexander was reinforcing his connection to the heroic past and legitimizing his claim to lead the Greek world. After Troy and his first victory at the battle of the Granicus, while leading a unified Greek Army (Hellenic League) to avenge the Persian invasions in Greece 150 years prior, Alexander the Great sent 300 suits of full Persian armour (to honor the legendary last stand of the 300 Spartans in Thermopylae) to Athens, as a votive offering to Goddess Athena, to be hung on the Acropolis. He ordered an inscription to be fixed over them; “Alexander, son of Philip and all the Greeks, present this offering from the spoils taken from the barbarians inhabiting Asia". A statue group, known as the Granicus Monument, was erected by Alexander in the sanctuary of Zeus at Dion. This consisted of bronze statues by Lysippus, of Alexander with twenty-five of his companions who had died in the initial cavalry charge, all on horseback. Alexander the Great is a sacred, immortal, legendary figure for us Greeks. Mostly for uniting all Greek City States and Kingdoms and spreading the unique Hellenic culture to the edges of the world. The rightful descendant of Achilles. Eternal Hellas 🔥🇬🇷
@@ΑνδρέαςΖουμπουρλάς-ν9ε Το απαγορευει η θρησκεια κυριε να αναφερουμε τους πολεμους μεταξυ Ελληνικων πολεων-κρατων ή σου θιξαμε την τιμη και την υποληψη;
A list with some notable history books by credible Historians, regarding the legacy of the Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia; “Alexander the Great. Man and God”, Pearson, Harlow 2004, by Ian Worthington. “The Miracle that was Macedonia” by N. G. L. Hammond. “By the spear. Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the rise and fall of the Macedonian empire”, Oxford University Press by Ian Worthington. “The Rise of the Greeks” by Michael Grant. “Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C.: A Historical Biography” by Peter Green. Truly masterpieces.
Isocratis one of the most famous tutors was convincing Athenians to follow Philip as the greek leader of all Greeks, and just read what Alexander the great told, the greatest Macedonian of all, if Macedon was greek or not: In a letter that Alexander sent to the Persian king Darius III of Persia in response to a truce plea he said: your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you”
The title is historically incorrect, The Macedonians did not conquer Greece, the intention of Philip and his son Alexander was not to conquer Greece but rather to bring stability to Greece and unite all the warring city states of Greece.. The Macedonians of course proudly proclaimed they were Greek and fiercely defended their Greek identity. Philip united Greece and created the pan-Hellenic league of united Greek states with Macedon as the leading Greek state.
There is no evidence of Uniting Greece and there is no evidence that Philip 2 and Alexander wanted to unite Greece Plus There is no Greece in the maps until 1852 lol
Diodorus Siculus who describe the sacking and destruction of Thebes by the Macedonians :........... *_"So it was that many terrible things befell the city. Greeks were mercilessly slain by Greeks, Kinfolk killing kinfolk, and even a common dialect induced no pity. In the end, when night finally intervened, the houses had been plundered and children and women and aged persons who had fled into the temples were torn from sanctuary and subjected to outrage without limit"_* . (Diodorus Siculus XVll, 13, 16)
No amount of reason will shake modern Greek faith in the Hellenic ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians and their kings. It is more than a political prefer ence: many Greeks see it as a necessity, despite the inconclusive ancient evidence on the nationality of the Macedonians. But recent scholarship has begun to provide a response to old Greek arguments. There is an insufficient amount of evidence-the existence of Greek inscriptions in the kingdom of the Macedonians notwithstand ing-to know what the native language or dialect was. E.g., several dialects of Greek were used in ancient Macedonia, but what was the Macedonian dialect? The evidence of ancient writers suggests that Greek and Macedonian were mutually unintelligible languages in the court of Alexander the Great. Moreover, if contemporary or his torical opinion from antiquity means anything, the ancient world from the fourth century B.C. into the early Hellenistic period-roughly the age of Philip and Alexan der-believed that the Greeks and Macedonians were different peoples. None of which, incidentally, denies that the Macedonians, at least in their court and gentry, were quite highly hellenized, as recent archaeology has clearly shown. See E. Badian, "Greeks and Macedonians," Macedonia and Greece in Late Classical and Early Hellenis tic Times, Studies in the History of Art 10, ed. B. Barr-Sharrar and E. N. Borza (Wash ington, D.C., 1982). 33-51: Eugene N. Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon, rev. ed. (Princeton, 1992), ch. 4 and pp. 305-6; id., "Athenians, Mace donians, and the Origins of the Macedonian Royal House," in Studies in Attic Epigra phy, History, and Topography Presented to Eugene Vanderpool, Hesperia suppl. 19 (1982). 713: id., "Ethnicity and Cultural Policy at Alexander's Court." AncW 23 (1992): 1999. The eye expanded. Berkeley, Calif.: University of California Press, p.263.
Rubbish. "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31.
Τι άλλο περίμενες να λένε;; Ανθελληνική προπαγάνδα των παιδιών με τις μακριές μύτες. Ματσε ντόνιαν, χιπα σπίστεν, χοπλίτς κ.λ.π. Ξεκίνησαν με τον Τρωικό πόλεμο που αντί ΑΧΑΙΟΙ λένε Ελληνες εναντίων Τρώων. Σε λίγο θα λένε για τον Πελλοπονησιακό πόλεμο: Πελλοπόνιανς εναντίον Ελλήνων. Και στις ειδήσεις σήμερα αντί Ελλάδα λένε Αθήνα. Συμπέρασμα: 'Ελληνες αποδέχονται μόνο τους Αθηναίους κατοίκους-εκεί είναι η Τράπεζα της Ελλάδος του Ρότσιλντ και το ΚΙΣ. Τι δεν καταλαβαίνουμε ακόμα;;;
@@dadrider3 hahahah good one find me one greek who looks europian you win the argument ,it was ALWAYS macedonians vs greeks ,last time was in 1946-1949 and i hope next time will be soon
Grčka tada nije postojala samo razjedinjeni polisi dok je ovo bila ozbiljna država koja je postala2 globalno srpsko carstvo a Makedonija je teritorijalna odrednica za polja gde se uzgajao mak u okolini soluna no niko nereče kako se prezivao taj velikan istorije nemoguće da nije imao prezime.
It is "Macedonians versus the rest of Greeks". Ancient Macedonians characterized themselves as Greeks and their war as an effort to unify all Greeks. They achieved that and started their campaign against Persia. The only Greeks who refused because they wanted the leadership instead of accepting Alexander's, were the Lacoedemonians (Sparta)
Truly, the death and fight animation on Rome II are by far the best animation on all Total war, each time i'm amazed with that level of animation with thousand of soldiers. I hope in the next total war, we will see those features again
Macedonia for the Macedonians -William Gladstone British Statesman and British Prime minister on the 19th of January 1897 speaks of the glorious heritage of the Macedonians. And he clearly notes that Phillip II, Alexander, Aristotle, Cyril and Methodius are Macedonians. That Macedonians are not Slavs and that are not Greeks. "Macedonia-for the Macedonians" he declares.
Macedonia for Macedonians the Bulgarians are Tatars and Macedonians are not Greek and they will never be, you Greeks always use lies to cover the truth maybe you German king Otto of Bavaria is also a Greek and something else Macedonians are not mentioned in Iliad as a Greek tribe
Greater ciganin than you tatarski asparuh and asen is not to be found in the world and all the Bulgarians were tatars and allies of fascist in WWII war and also read the Bled agreement Long Live Pirin Macedonia
Great video. Alexander the Great was only 18 years old here and this was his very first ever battle. It's a testament to his brilliance how he was able to not only lead his men, but how he was able to spot the gap in the Athenian and Theban line ans how he knew to order his infantry on the Macedonian right to attack the Athenian and Theban left flank head on while he and the cavalry exploited the gap and attacked the Thebans from the rear. It was a brilliant move that won them the battle.
what do you mean by Great Video? The Macedonian Empire did not Conquer Greece. A city-state called Macedonia conquered the rest of the City States. The Roman Empire conquered Greece. The Ottoman Empire conquered Greece. When the Spartans attained Hegemony over Greece, we don't say the Spartan Empire conquered Greece.
@ektorpolykandriotis635 it's a great video because he did a great job visually showing it, it was very easy to understand what happened. I know the Macedonians were Greek.
@@ektorpolykandriotis635 To be accurate , it was not "a city state". It was a Greek/Hellenic kingdom, that united the rest of the Greeks , with the aim to attack Persia. The unification of course was violent. In Greece/Hellas, there were many different political statues at the time, there were city-states, there were kingdoms too (like the Macedonian kingdom [Μακεδονικό βασίλειο] and the kingdom of Ήπειρος , where Pyrros [Πύρρος] became a king some years later). The re were also Greeks in north Italy and the whole Sicily, usually in city states. Those Greeks were not part of the political unification that Philip and Alexander did, they had their own problems with Romans and Carthage , they did not care about Persia.
I get into your channel by an accident when I was seeking battle of the great Hannibal. And damn me...keep on making those videos. As a passionate with history this is stunning to watch. The informations on each video is on point!
The Macedonians were anxious to assert their Greekness (the Athenian orator Demosthenes called them barbarians), but their own language (apparently unintelligible to other Greeks) lacked the cultural prestige to match their imperial ambitions. New Testament Greek: A Reader (Reading Greek) by Joint Association of Classical Teachers (Author) pp.204
*doesnt elaborate on the countless Athenian orators having a completely opposite opinion* *proceeds to quote the Bible that literally doesn't make a distinction between the Macedons and the rest of the Greeks*
During soccer matches Athenians today will call Thessalonikeans "Bulgarians". It is a derogatory term. Thessalonikeans call Athenians of Olympiacos "smelt" or "gavros" which is a tiny fish. In your genius analysis that is proof that people who live in Athens are actually fish. The Macedonians participated in the Olympics. Only Greeks could do that. There are infinite other references (Alexander's answer to Darius for example) that prove beyond doubt that Macedonians were and are as Greeks as anyone can be.
Go read Daniel 8:1-27 and come back to me more educated. There (in bible) Alexander the Great is referred by archangel Gabriel as the GREEK King and Macedonia as the Greek Kingdom! *Mic drop*
you are just laughable with how uneducated you are. many ancient Greeks when they disliked each other insulted each other by calling the barbarian, unwashed, uncivilized and others. if they wanted to say that the Macedonians were not Greek they would have called them foreigners not barbarians. Macedonians are Greek with Doric roots. I challenge you to find me an ancient source that says and proves that the ancient Macedonians were not Greek, otherwise you are uneducated and a fraud.
Let's make something clear for once and FOREVER wasnt Macedonia vs Greece here was Macedonian s vs Athens and Thebes ,A Macedonian s first Ruler was Makednos from Bloodline of Hellen son of Deucalionas king of Thessaly they spoke Greek similar to Doric Dialecte and have absolutely the same Gods with rest of Greek in their Southern border with Thessaly located the Olympus mountain the sacred mountain of all Greek s and the point Greek Mythology begin s ( Olympians vs Titans) much Later from Makednos came to Macedonia Nobles Refugees from Argos of Pelloponese became Later kings The Argean Dynasty Alexander The Grate was deshendant by them , one Alexander Ansestor took part in the Olympic games in who only Greek s can participate, B Thebans was the only Greek city wad Always in good relationship with Persia thats why Alexander destroy Thebes ,C In Athens was a Political party anti Macedonian under Demosthenes,And a Political party Under Issocratis who support Union of Greece under Philip the time of the conflict of Cheronea the anti Macedonia n party was in Power,D Alexander was under guidance of Delfi oracle to unite Greece against Persians ,Thats why The campaign was Panhellenic and his title was " chief General of the Greek s" when you say Macedonian vs Greeks is like you say Celts vs Irish
This is the show I wish netflix or history channel(not that they do history any more) would pick up 10 out of 10 there are some new greek hd and rome hd mods def worth checking out as well
TotalWarBattles it is constantly emphasized Makedonians and Greeks, Makedonians and Greeks???? Makedonians were Greeks, Dorian Greeks, it was a civil war, one of the many that the Greeks fought among themselves.
Macedonians had a great deal of Greek origin but due to their willingness to intermingle with " barbarian " cultures everyone agrees that they barely even were to be considered Greeks and were often looked down on by the other city states... granted they were often apart of Greek politics but they were so different from their brothers down south that it's easier to just refer to them as their own thing...after all they didn't refer to themselves as the new Persian empire, or the Greek empire ,they called themselves the Macedonian empire... like how the Romans were called Romans not Italians or Latins.
Ајде не сери дебилу, не знаш ништа од реалности, насео си на германско англосаксонске фабрикатеисторије!!! Филип ll КАРАНОВИЋ је био ТРИБАЛ (српско племе), жена му Атена ИЛИРКА (српско племе) имадоше сина АЛЕКСАНДРА КАРАНОВИЋА алијас ВЕЛИКИ, који нема везе са називом "Македонски", иначе, област МаЦедонија, је од 1922 године у данашњој Грчкој, до тада беше Илирска терирорија!!! Радња ове анимације сеже преко 1500 година уназад, када су Грци живели на Пелопонезу, острвима и данашњој Турској, зато не серендај глупости него погледај другу страну "медаље" зване "Македонија", бар сада је то лако !!!
If Netflix gave you a million bucks for a documentary series, it would be worth every penny. Awesome job!
They'd make the Greeks sub Saharans
@@firstnamelastname42069 lol brilliant
@nathancreel1311 yeah like what they're doing with Cleopatra.
Anything done in Hollywood or Netflix is garbage.
Lol
Title of the Video: Macedonian Empire Vs Athens & Thebes: Historical Battle of Chaeronea 338BC | Hellenic Wars Cinematic
thats already a better title then the title of the video. its confusing to separate the macedonians from the other greeks like the title of this video does. why people still do this...
Hellenistic wars are not Greek as "Greece" is Roman name and claim.
Northern Macedonians are Ancient Greeks!! Philip and his Son the Greek Alexander spread Greek language and Culture not Macedonian. I'm sure all of you know this lol Alexander did this through a process called Hellenization!!! When Alexander the Great expanded his empire, he established Greek city-states, appointed Greek administrators, and brought in Greeks to govern. These leaders made their regions "Greek" to gain Alexander's favor, promoting Greek culture. His approach facilitated easier governance through cultural uniformity.
@@pgsa1190makedonaca su jedno a grka drugo, to nikad ni je bilo isto, Makedoni je okupirana od grka , zahvaliući na francuza nemaca i britanaca..
@@MrAndyTrejo You need to read the primary sources. Macedon was hegemon over Greece. Why is it called the Macedonian Empire? Greeks never had an empire. The Greek forces in Alexander's army were only 7000, and he dismissed them once he had consolidated his power in Persia. He could never trust the Greeks because they revolted several times. First, Philip had to crush them at Chaeronea and force them to make him Strategos Autokrator. When he died, the Thebans, Funded by Darius III, and supported further by Athens and other smaller Greek city-states, revolted against Alexander while he was campaigning against the Illyrians and Thracians, which had forced him to draw heavily from the troops in Macedonia that were maintaining pressure on the city-states of southern Greece to keep them in subjection.
Alexander ended his campaign and moved so fast into Greece and caught the Thebans by surprise which led to the Battle of Thebes. He crushed them and razed Thebes to the ground and sold thousands into slavery; Thebes never fully recovered. The rest of the Greeks, frightened by this stopped any plans of revolting, which they were planning but hesitant to do. They conferred upon him even greater honours than they did Philip.
When Alexander was busy campaigning in Persia, the Greeks again revolted, and it was the Spartans this time. Antipater had to leave Macedon and move south to face king Agis and his Spartans, which he did and crushed them. Then again the Greeks collaborated with Memnon of Rhodes while Alexander was in Persia, to attack his supply lines but Memnon died of illness and the whole thing fell apart. The Greeks were always ready to betray Alexander even taking Persian money in the process.
1. Why would they constantly undermine him if the campaign was for Greece?
2. Why did he get rid of the entire 7000 Greek force, only leaving a handful of Greek generals, who were his friends, if the campaign was for Greece?
3. Why did he not send to Greece a single coin from the treasure captured in Persia but instead sending it to Macedon?
4. Why is it recorded in history as the Macedonian Empire and not the Greek Empire?
The Macedonians and Greeks did not have the same culture nor language. The Greeks referred to them as barbarians. The Macedonians weren't even allowed to take part in the Olympic Games, and there's no evidence of them ever taking part in the Games for at least 200 years until king Alexander I, wanting to take part in the Olympics claimed that his dynasty was founded by Perdiccas, the son of Temenus, a descendant of Heracles. Only then did the Greeks allow Macedonians to take part. You do know Demosthenes do you? Let's look at what he said to the Greeks about Philip and the Macedonians:
"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31. The famous words that this Greek orator from Athens used to describe the Macedonian king Philip II, and the Macedonians.
As for the Macedonians having a different language, I refer you to the Trial of Philotas in Curtius' - Histories of Alexander.
''One charge made against me is that I disdain to communicate in my native language, that I have no respect for the Macedonian customs (which means I have designs on an empire I despise!). That native language of ours has long been rendered obsolete through our dealings with other nations, and conquerors and conquered must learn a foreign tongue.'' - Curtius VI. 23.
These words by Philotas reveal -
a) His native tongue was Macedonian
b) Macedonians must learn the tongue of people they conquer
c) Greek is referred to as a foreign language (Greeks were conquered by the Macedonians and forced into submission as we've seen from the battles they lost to Philip, Alexander and Antipater)
d) He doesn't respect Macedonian customs; which if you read the ancient sources, are different to Greek ones
Similarly, a passage from Pausanias (Paus. IV, 29) describes a Macedonian attack on Messene in 214-213 B.C. ''The people of Messene thought it was the attack by the Spartans, but from their 'weapons and voice' understood them to be Macedonian.''
Cleitus' episode [Plutarch: The Age of Alexander]: ''But Alexander leaped to his feet and shouted in the Macedonian tongue for his bodyguard to turn out, a signal that this was an extreme emergency'' (p.309).
Plutarch-Greek Lives (p.360): ''called out in Macedonian for the Shieldbearers.''
Now, please provide your proofs from the primary sources (Arrian, Plutarch, Curtius Rufus, Diodorus and Justin) that Philip and Alexander spread the ancient Greek language and culture. Counter the proof that I've provided that there was a Macedonian language; don't use any modern day sources, use the ancient sources, people who lived in Alexander's time or those who wrote their histories from the primary sources that they took from.
Macedonia was at this time truly a force to be reckoned with, Phillip learned much from the likes of Epaminondas and Pammenes of Thebes. Phillip turned Macedon from a back water relatively weak and unimportant Greek Kingdom, to the mightiest power in the Hellenic, and known world. Astonishing.
Thank you for the video.
I'm going to be remastering this video in the future, I think itll be twice as good
@WarAndHistory. I'll be here for it mate.
Yeah those 16 foot spears kept the Hoplites at bay on a skewer.
Not a "Greek" anything, but sure
@hellfruit5612 Save for the fact that they self identified as Hellenes, and their land as Hellas, spoke Greek, wrote Greek, worshipped Greek Gods, descended from Greek tribes, and participated in the exclusively Greek only Olympic games, if not Greek then what?
Glorious battle! Very well done. Most TV documentaries could learn something from you. Also, thank you for reminding me of the times when I played the Europa Barbarorum mod for hours without end.
One of my fave battles. I heard Alexander was only 17 here weeks before he turned 18. He had proved himself as a Regent at age 16 when Phillip II left for Byzantine. Sensing the weakness of a teen, some men staged a rebellion. Alexander organized a task force and squashed it, impressing his father and everyone by his leadership and courage and skill. They say he had a magnetic personality and could lead a team well.
Well done, mate, fabulous video, please post more like this
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"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31. The famous words that this Greek orator from Athens used to describe the Macedonian king Philip II, the father of Alexander the Great, prior to Philip’s conquest of Greece.
It would be accurate if instead of "Greeks" the title "South Greeks" was used , because Macedonians were also another Greek tribe, Greeks of the North.
Battle of Chaeronea was fought between the allied Greek states of Argos, Macedonia, Thessaly and Arcadia AGAINST the allied Greek states of Athens Thebes Corinth Megara Achaea and Chalcis.
Those bloody Thessalians again.
The narrator did a great job on this one!
Isocratis one of the most famous tutors was convincing Athenians to follow Philip as the greek leader of all Greeks, and just read what Alexander the great told, the greatest Macedonian of all, if Macedon was greek or not: In a letter that Alexander sent to the Persian king Darius III of Persia in response to a truce plea he said: your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you”
Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II, 14, 4
Magnificent batlle!!! One od the bes od total war series!!!👍💪
The battle of Chaeronea was a battle between the allied Greek states of Thessaly, Macedonia, Argos and Arcadia.........VS............the allied Greek states of Athens, Thebes and Corinth etc
Bull shit.. -" GREEKS don't know how to win"- said Philip during the battle.
@@branislavpavlovic9918 Actually Philip never said that. Its actually you saying that. Philip actually procaimed proudly that he was Greek and wished to be the 'hegemon' - leader of all the Greeks.
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse actually you would love he didn't say that. Actually he did x and you will find it if you read more. You will also find lines as : " In the Alexander's army , there are two confronted nations, MACEDONIANS and HELLENS." ( Buy glasses 🤓)
Please inform me when you do find those lines in history sources. Ok?
@@branislavpavlovic9918 No he didn't. And lets quote Professor Donald Kagan, Sterling professor of Greek history, Yale University. *_"The Macedonians claimed very proudly, powerfully and insistently that they were Greeks"_*
Fun to watch, but to imagine actually being in such bloody battle is actually quite horrifying.
200 dead with 2k for the greeks.... actually not that bloody if you do think about it without the movie views creeping in. Civil War, Great War or WW2 battles were worse by far. The real hell scene would have been a city like Tyre, where Alexander put it to the sword after siege. Thousands of men women and children killed, thousands more raped and brutalized with survivors sold as slaves. Makes you long for the comparative safety of the battlefield.
@@katwooten905 It's part of human history and prehistory, probably began with the elimination of the Neanderthals. Mass murder has happened again & again. Today's woke horror of colonialization is amusing considering extermination often the alternative. My first shock to romanticising antiquity was what the "noble" Athenians did to Melos. Just wait until the "glories" of WWIII.
@@katwooten905 Or what he did to Thebes after Chaeronea, the near total destruction shocked the other Greek city-states. Alexander's army was not well funded either; they had to win to eat after this as they went south. They were broke. That changed when they got Darius's gold later.
Macedonians are greeks like Athenians , Spartans etc..
This was one more battle for domination over the Greek world , just like the peloponnesian war and so many other battles between the greek states .
The title is misleading ..
go cry vasilis macedonia is not greek u are steling monkeys
You are misleading.
Great video!
We are lucky some of this ancient drone footage survived.
Glad to see Kaisa still creating Epic cinematics after all these years !
Missed the times of yours and Wolfmans machinimas XD
thank you man! I see you're an OG😎
@@KaisaMachinimas 👴"Too Old to Rock ’n’ Roll Too Young to Die"👴
Greek history is always fascinating
Connais tu vraiment l histoire par tes propres recherches
Ou tu connais ce que ont nous raconte depuis 17-18 siècle
Le nome grece n existant pas à l époque
Tu veux rire ce que ont appelle aujourd’hui grece eux même ils déteste ce nome
Ça n’a jamais existé
Ils été tous ilirian
@@pellazgilirianArbëriaget in line, there’s many nations envious and claim the Greek history .
@@malamatinas1 Some also claim Macedonian history even though they were crushed by the Macedonians.
@@qaidikramuddin history might be a little too complicated for you. Stick to things you can comprehend.
Jesus it doesn’t get more realistic than that does it ? Wonderful animation .
it's a game
total war rome 2 if im correct
@@rory6860 Oh i didn't know that. Thank you!
"Animation"? I thought it was surveillance. hehe
It’s far from realistic but these videos will improve iver time
That is an incredible animation awesome!!
With some rare satellite footage, I think. ;)
Great content as always ! Two monumental works regarding the legacy of the Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia are:
“The Rise of the Greeks” of Michael Grant and “Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C.: A Historical Biography” of Peter Green.
Truly masterpieces.
Nice battle i love Macedons👍🏻👌🏻
We love you too ,but we don't like greeks, the same like over 2000 years ago, that's the case even today, 🙋👌
Makedonet e lasht nuk kan të bëjn me Makedonet sllav...
Ata ishin Poppulli pellazg
Great MACEDONIAN war machine.✨✨✨👑👑👑
Lets gooooooo, finally get to see Philip in all his glory
'Calvary is the hammer and infantry is the anvil.' King Philip II of Macedon.
These battles wouldve been absolutely fucking nuts to see first hand
And more gruesome than the lame animations.
Very bad language
Ineed, very personal too, not like today where we majority fight and kill at a distance, this warfare was in close. You had to physically dispatch the man in front of you and so on, you looked the man in the eyes when you fought him, and If you killed him, or as he kills you.
This is Great I always loved history Especially Ancient Times since I was a kid.
Just imagine if you can what it was like, to be standing side by side with your friends and family, in a slug fest with spear, sword and shield. What an absolutely horrible view. The screams the blood so thick you would lose your footing it was everywhere! I can’t even fathom to see such a spectacle. 😔
Right? Close to 70000 men slaughtering each other in literally hand to hand combat. It's absolutely terrifying
@@andreaspitsinis255 motivation?? One shudders to think what was in their minds.
@gmwwc fear , group think, imaging being on the front lines with a wall of men pushing you from behind. The Greeks managed a 10 to 20% casualty rate , by the time of Alexander he managed a 50% kill rate and by the time of the Romans close to 80% . Men butchering other men like cattle
Ποιος ανιστοριτος σχολιάζει;;;
What most people don’t know is you can visit Philips tomb in Macedonia. It survives intact and is one of the greatest things on earth to see.
My friend, you got yourself many compliments to your work and a new subscriber!
This is one of yours best! Exelent Works!👍
Good job mate love your work from Macedonia 🇲🇰
This is about the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia and not the Former Yugoslav SLavic Republic of North Macedonia.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 filip King macedonian grek 🖕🖕🖕
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 These people are delusional with their Japanese flag. There is no ‘Ski’ in the Macedonian language. They arrived I the area 600AD and they claim to be descendants of Alexander.
Make Vardaska Great Again instead of trying to steal other people history
This has nothing to do with your slavic background. Get a life
Whatever bulgarovsky
Well done! Thank you!
Really good video ❤
it is quite odd that no accounts refer to Antipater, Parmenion, Perdiccas, Poliperchon, Cleitus the Black and other generals and senior officers at Phillip's court. I'm sure they all - or almost all - were engaged in this battle, and yet no mentioning of them in any sources. It is especially strange as just 2-3 years from then, during Alexander's eastern campaign, the reports are so detailed about his army's formation, naming literally each battalion commander in every battle they held in Asia and India.
that would be another lesson, only so much can be crammed into 17 minutes, just saying
Concordo totalmente.
We have so many detailed information about Alexander's campaign because Anabasis of Alexander was written by Arrianus ,who was a military commander. It was written almost 4 centuries after Alexander the great but he had access to the original script of Ptolemy's "Alexander's Actions".
@@thanostnt correct! but the reasons of so so meagre data on Chaeronea still remain unclear. Hellenic world was a highly advanced society then, and their bureaucracy must have included scrutinized accounts on such an epochal event. If we can know that 300 Spartans "had been combing their hair the night before the last battle at Thermopylae" some 150 years hitherto, or the names of all and sundry Persian courtier during Xenophone's Anabasis, how come there's no mentioning of such outstanding figures as Parmenion and/or Antipater who - most probably - were around Phillip that day?
@@thanostnt See, this is why I LOVE ancient history.
It has been written that Philip took a tour of the battle after it was all over and, coming upon the sight of where the Sacred Band of Thebes had fallen, wept at the death of such brave men...you won't find that sort of humanity among too many military leaders today...
Terrific video. Like being there. And I’m a professional historian of the ancient Mediterranean. Well done!
Thank you
are you a professional historian and do you agree with the opinion presented in the title that the macedonians were not greek? if you agree with this your educational and intellectual level is lower than amoeba.
art eckstein .Do you agree that what distinguishes the Makedonians from the rest of the Greeks? And you are also a historian unacceptable.
the cinematography is truly awesome here, as well as the voice acting
Macedonia #1
History Greece wants you to forget
Wdym?
Why would greeks want to forget their own history?
@@t30dore59 Macedonia defeat United Greece
@@Euro.Patriot a kingdom of which both royals and peasants were speaking greek, believed the greek gods, participated in the Olympics, had greek names defeated Athens and Thebes. Buddy this is literally every day in the greek world. A battle royale if you want to say, in which the greek kingdom of ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝ came out on top.
If you want to speak about the supposed "macedonian language" you don't need to. The Pella curse tablet already shows enough. If you want me I can also debunk the new "macedonian" identity 👍
@@t30dore59 Video shows Macedonia defeating United Greece go Macedonia #1
@@Euro.Patriot find me a single ancient inscription in North "Macedonia" which isn't greek 🤡
Partially because of the newer game engine, and partially because these videos lack the cheesy "game show format", these are a hundred times better than Time Commanders. Not as funny for obvious reasons, but much much better.
The Macedonians are a super massive army.
Awesome recreation. I was there this summer took a pics with Lion of Chaeronea.
Imagine being one of those Macedonian infantry and you know King Philip and his heir Alexander are both leading the army.
Victory is assured
THE WHOLE TITLE IS WRONG.ACTUALY MACEDONIA-NIANS ARE GREEKS... they butched up parts of history...Athens-Theves-Sparta-Corinthus-Plataees-Macedonia-Mycenaes-Thessaly-Epirus were Cities-States AND THEY WERE ALL GREEKS.Of course they fought each other ..just for training against Persia all together except Sparta for one battle or so. ..I Liked it tho tbh!
thanks for your friendly feedback 👍
@@WarAndHistory. You are so very welcome ..I suggest the name of the title to change a bit like to be more topicistic,i mean for ex. Macedons Phalanx VS Athenians or smthing like this.Greeks is a very general call.
@@WarAndHistory. The title is correct. The ancient sources were very clear that Macedonians and Greeks were not the same.
Excellent work!!!!!!!!
A VERRY NICE TRU DETAIL IS FORGOTTEN TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS BATTLE . The theban 300 sacred band where a elite force of lovers ! Thebans believed they would fight much harder to save there lovers in battle . Yes they where homo sexual ... They where the elite from the thebe armie. Because they fought so brave King fillip shouted " doomed are the man who think this men did wrong things in there lives !!!! " In greece those times homo sexual men where supposed to be real men and they looked up to them and being adored . For the greeks the male boddy was a kind of art. This is why archeolgic find so much sculptures of naked men....
they wernet in fact homos where bad in the eyes of the greeks thry belived that for a man to take it was to be a women
Hi, thanks for youre reaction., it probably will depend wich state it was. In Athena they admire the naked male boddy, in thebe to . This iw why the greeks maded so much naked sculptures of men; Probably in sparta this was not the case...Spartans would not allouwd homo's .... I'm not gonna discus it with you, because I have readed this in manny books . Probably you also would have noticed it depends of who have written the book. There so manny books about the ancient greeks....@@SILK_7744
the spartans thought of letting a man have anal sex with him was the greatest respect but it dosent matter how looked at the male body some of there greatest philosipers though of homosexality as a un natrual act since animals did not do it they had many bad words for gays
and the idea that you woulkd fight harder to protect your lover makes no sense as you would be worried for them the whole time it made much more sense that they may had been freinds not lovers in fact that whole idea came about durning the fight for gay rights by one historian the athenans made fun of gays calling them women
@@peterderidder9922
Then it was only the Macedonian Kingdom, the Macedonian Empire became after the conquests of Egypt and Persia
Did you understand the formation of the flanks? Me too! 😅 Awesome video, nonetheless!👏👍
The Macedonian Companian cavalry should be in wedge formation and the Thessalians in rhomboid formations. Otherwise done nicely.
In fact, the Athenians did manage to repel and push back the Macedonian right flank,it was not a King Philip's planned retreat.However the inexperienced Athenian commander in charge made a hasty decision and ordered his flank to pursue the Macedonian right flank, ignoring the warnings of his subordinates who advised maintaining their ground. This misstep was seized upon by Alexander, who capitalized on the opportunity to attack and flank the coalition army without his father's orders.
Realizing their mistake, the Athenians eventually fell back, but it was too late. However, they managed to retreat in an orderly manner. The casualties were relatively low for both sides because Philip, known as a military and political genius (some even claim he surpassed Alexander in this regard), aimed to win the sympathy of his fellow Greeks. He wanted them to support him against the Persian Empire, and he achieved this by demonstrating care for the fallen Athenian and Theban soldiers and releasing the prisoners.Amother reason is that It was always a bad and costly idea to attempt to completely destroy an army of hoplites once they had accepted defeat. Alexander failed to learn this lesson, and he paid the price in the future when he faced a Greek mercenary force fighting for the Persians. After their defeat, these mercenaries offered their services to Alexander, but he decided to eliminate them. In the subsequent battle, he lost more men than he had lost in his entire Asian expedition.
Alexander saw them as traitors so he killed them out of anger or to send a message. The losses were possibly worth the reward of all Greeks knowing they would be shown no mercy if they joined Persia.
Alexander learned his lesson. The Greeks his father spared were the core of those who revolted against his rule…and Alexander burned Thebes to the ground.
Eternal glory to King Alexander who fulfilled the unification of all Greek City States & Kingdoms, in order to avenge the Persians invasions 150 years before…
His father King Phillip II had already established this monumental Hellenic League - the League of Corinth.
Eternal Hellas 🔥🏛️🇬🇷
Occupation, not unification 💪🤫🇲🇰
Macedonia® 🇬🇷
Alexander the Great visited the site of Ancient Troy in 334 B.C., as he embarked on his campaign against the Persian Empire, leading a unified Greek Army (Hellenic League).
The visit to Troy held both personal and strategic significance for Alexander. On one hand, it fulfilled his long-held desire to pay tribute to his hero Achilles and connect with the glorious past of Greek mythology.
On the other hand, the visit served as a powerful symbolic gesture that showcased his intention to unite the Greek world under his rule and carry on the legacy of the legendary heroes.
Upon reaching the Tomb of Achilles, Alexander took a moment to pay his respects and acknowledge the greatness of the legendary warrior.
Then, Alexander poured oil over the tomb, a customary practice in ancient Greek funerary rituals, symbolizing purification and sanctification.
He also placed garlands of flowers and foliage on the tomb, signifying honor and respect for the deceased.
Next, Alexander and Hephaestion sacrificed animals, likely horses, to honor the spirits of Achilles and Patroclus. This ritual was meant to appease the souls of the dead and seek their favor.
Finally, Alexander is believed to have organized athletic games at the site, following the ancient Greek tradition of hosting such competitions in memory of deceased heroes.
By paying homage to Achilles, Alexander was reinforcing his connection to the heroic past and legitimizing his claim to lead the Greek world.
After Troy and his first victory at the battle of the Granicus, while leading a unified Greek Army (Hellenic League) to avenge the Persian invasions in Greece 150 years prior, Alexander the Great sent 300 suits of full Persian armour (to honor the legendary last stand of the 300 Spartans in Thermopylae) to Athens, as a votive offering to Goddess Athena, to be hung on the Acropolis.
He ordered an inscription to be fixed over them; “Alexander, son of Philip and all the Greeks, present this offering from the spoils taken from the barbarians inhabiting Asia".
A statue group, known as the Granicus Monument, was erected by Alexander in the sanctuary of Zeus at Dion. This consisted of bronze statues by Lysippus, of Alexander with twenty-five of his companions who had died in the initial cavalry charge, all on horseback.
Alexander the Great is a sacred, immortal, legendary figure for us Greeks. Mostly for uniting all Greek City States and Kingdoms and spreading the unique Hellenic culture to the edges of the world. The rightful descendant of Achilles.
Eternal Hellas 🔥🇬🇷
Excelent video as always
Can somebody please tell me the name of the song that played when Alexander and his cavalry charged?
its from a total war saga troy
@WarAndHistory Many thanks.
Mainland Greece was and it is until today the Macedonia, it was about Greeks vs Greeks
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There was a civil war between Greeks.
Peloponnesian civil war, that is Sparta versus Athenians ,was the worst and lasted 27 years.
pff greeks steal histroy
@@ballerina5876 he talking about war between macedons and other greek tribes
@@ΑνδρέαςΖουμπουρλάς-ν9ε Το απαγορευει η θρησκεια κυριε να αναφερουμε τους πολεμους μεταξυ Ελληνικων πολεων-κρατων ή σου θιξαμε την τιμη και την υποληψη;
There's always a civil war in Greece 😅
Verey nice battle, I really like the in depth study of the information that is being provided of what happened during the battle.
A list with some notable history books by credible Historians, regarding the legacy of the Ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia;
“Alexander the Great. Man and God”, Pearson, Harlow 2004, by Ian Worthington.
“The Miracle that was Macedonia” by N. G. L. Hammond.
“By the spear. Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the rise and fall of the Macedonian empire”, Oxford University Press by Ian Worthington.
“The Rise of the Greeks” by Michael Grant.
“Alexander of Macedon, 356-323 B.C.: A Historical Biography” by Peter Green.
Truly masterpieces.
Greek people would be so angry at ur documentary and title
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History lover in general not just greek
i think greek or no greek , the title is not correct. its confusing to say the least for the ignorant.
Isocratis one of the most famous tutors was convincing Athenians to follow Philip as the greek leader of all Greeks, and just read what Alexander the great told, the greatest Macedonian of all, if Macedon was greek or not: In a letter that Alexander sent to the Persian king Darius III of Persia in response to a truce plea he said: your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Hellas [Greece] and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you”
@@wankawanka3053 No.
I don;t get these old world battle tactics, but they are fun to watch..
The title is historically incorrect, The Macedonians did not conquer Greece, the intention of Philip and his son Alexander was not to conquer Greece but rather to bring stability to Greece and unite all the warring city states of Greece.. The Macedonians of course proudly proclaimed they were Greek and fiercely defended their Greek identity. Philip united Greece and created the pan-Hellenic league of united Greek states with Macedon as the leading Greek state.
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Few years back I got to go and see Philips tomb, very odd experience you should go check it out
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This is absolutely the most stupid comment on the whole youtube
There is no evidence of Uniting Greece and there is no evidence that Philip 2 and Alexander wanted to unite Greece Plus There is no Greece in the maps until 1852 lol
Boy I thought those sacred warriors were going to play an important part in the battle... Wrong lol
Another total war battles classic.
Thanks friend
@@WarAndHistory. stay real my brotha
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Diodorus Siculus who describe the sacking and destruction of Thebes by the Macedonians :........... *_"So it was that many terrible things befell the city. Greeks were mercilessly slain by Greeks, Kinfolk killing kinfolk, and even a common dialect induced no pity. In the end, when night finally intervened, the houses had been plundered and children and women and aged persons who had fled into the temples were torn from sanctuary and subjected to outrage without limit"_* . (Diodorus Siculus XVll, 13, 16)
There was a Greek contingent in the Macedonian army that sacked Thebes.
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Beautiful job 👏👏👏
"Sacred Band" - nicely dodged.
A very good history documentary and epic battle movie at the same time! Great!
he falsifies history and presents the Macedonians as non-Greek. The guy knows nothing about history.
What mod gave you the new greek units?
It wasn't Macedons Vs Greeks, it was Greeks Vs Greeks.
No amount of reason will shake modern Greek faith in the Hellenic ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians and their kings. It is more than a political prefer ence: many Greeks see it as a necessity, despite the inconclusive ancient evidence on the nationality of the Macedonians. But recent scholarship has begun to provide a response to old Greek arguments. There is an insufficient amount of evidence-the existence of Greek inscriptions in the kingdom of the Macedonians notwithstand ing-to know what the native language or dialect was. E.g., several dialects of Greek were used in ancient Macedonia, but what was the Macedonian dialect? The evidence of ancient writers suggests that Greek and Macedonian were mutually unintelligible languages in the court of Alexander the Great. Moreover, if contemporary or his torical opinion from antiquity means anything, the ancient world from the fourth century B.C. into the early Hellenistic period-roughly the age of Philip and Alexan der-believed that the Greeks and Macedonians were different peoples. None of which, incidentally, denies that the Macedonians, at least in their court and gentry, were quite highly hellenized, as recent archaeology has clearly shown. See E. Badian, "Greeks and Macedonians," Macedonia and Greece in Late Classical and Early Hellenis tic Times, Studies in the History of Art 10, ed. B. Barr-Sharrar and E. N. Borza (Wash ington, D.C., 1982). 33-51: Eugene N. Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon, rev. ed. (Princeton, 1992), ch. 4 and pp. 305-6; id., "Athenians, Mace donians, and the Origins of the Macedonian Royal House," in Studies in Attic Epigra phy, History, and Topography Presented to Eugene Vanderpool, Hesperia suppl. 19 (1982). 713: id., "Ethnicity and Cultural Policy at Alexander's Court." AncW 23 (1992):
1999. The eye expanded. Berkeley, Calif.: University of California Press, p.263.
@@papazataklaattiranimam Yep.
Where were the Southern Slavs/Bulgars of Yugoslavian-Vardaska at this battle between these three Greek States???
On the other side of the Sarisa, were the Helens are hanged on
A civil war. Greek tribes of the North (Macedonians and others) vs. Greek cities of the South...
Rubbish. "... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave" - Demosthenes, Third Philippic, 31.
This is good battle executed with clear views.
Actually, Macedonians were and still are Greeks. Why does the video distinguish them?
Title of the Video: Macedonian Empire Vs Athens & Thebes: Historical Battle of Chaeronea 338BC | Hellenic Wars Cinematic
It was greeks vs greeks as itvwas so common in the ancient times. (Eg athenians vs spartans vs thiva vs korinth vs macedonians etc)
Τι άλλο περίμενες να λένε;; Ανθελληνική προπαγάνδα των παιδιών με τις μακριές μύτες. Ματσε ντόνιαν, χιπα σπίστεν, χοπλίτς κ.λ.π. Ξεκίνησαν με τον Τρωικό πόλεμο που αντί ΑΧΑΙΟΙ λένε Ελληνες εναντίων Τρώων. Σε λίγο θα λένε για τον Πελλοπονησιακό πόλεμο: Πελλοπόνιανς εναντίον Ελλήνων. Και στις ειδήσεις σήμερα αντί Ελλάδα λένε Αθήνα. Συμπέρασμα: 'Ελληνες αποδέχονται μόνο τους Αθηναίους κατοίκους-εκεί είναι η Τράπεζα της Ελλάδος του Ρότσιλντ και το ΚΙΣ. Τι δεν καταλαβαίνουμε ακόμα;;;
no it was not ,it was Macedonians vs Greeks stop faking history
@@pecekum whatever you say honey. Anyway what is your problem? You are slav, bulgarian, you came in the region 1000 years later.
@@dadrider3 hahahah good one find me one greek who looks europian you win the argument ,it was ALWAYS macedonians vs greeks ,last time was in 1946-1949 and i hope next time will be soon
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Wonderfull job
Just one thing
Chaeronea should be pronunced with a C which sound like a K. It should has an hard sound
Amazing, thank you for the many historical works💪🏿💯
It's a intentional lie he speaks!
Macedonians was a Hellenic tribe like the all the others Athenians Thessalians Thivians Spartans and many others stop the ridiculous propaganda
What do you recommend as an alternative?
@@WarAndHistory. what do you think?
Grčka tada nije postojala samo razjedinjeni polisi dok je ovo bila ozbiljna država koja je postala2 globalno srpsko carstvo a Makedonija je teritorijalna odrednica za polja gde se uzgajao mak u okolini soluna no niko nereče kako se prezivao taj velikan istorije nemoguće da nije imao prezime.
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Can you tell me which soundtracks you put in the background?
Let me check
It is "Macedonians versus the rest of Greeks". Ancient Macedonians characterized themselves as Greeks and their war as an effort to unify all Greeks. They achieved that and started their campaign against Persia. The only Greeks who refused because they wanted the leadership instead of accepting Alexander's, were the Lacoedemonians (Sparta)
Truly, the death and fight animation on Rome II are by far the best animation on all Total war, each time i'm amazed with that level of animation with thousand of soldiers. I hope in the next total war, we will see those features again
Will you be doing a series on the Three Kingdoms?
Macedonia for the Macedonians -William Gladstone British Statesman and British Prime minister on the 19th of January 1897 speaks of the glorious heritage of the Macedonians. And he clearly notes that Phillip II, Alexander, Aristotle, Cyril and Methodius are Macedonians. That Macedonians are not Slavs and that are not Greeks. "Macedonia-for the Macedonians" he declares.
There is GREEK MAKEDONES and there is Bulgarian slavs!!! Nothing else
Macedonia for Macedonians
the Bulgarians are Tatars and Macedonians are not Greek and they will never be, you Greeks always use lies to cover the truth maybe you German king Otto of Bavaria is also a Greek and something else Macedonians are not mentioned in Iliad as a Greek tribe
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Greater ciganin than you tatarski asparuh and asen is not to be found in the world and all the Bulgarians were tatars and allies of fascist in WWII war and also read the Bled agreement
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Insane video! Like watching a documentary
14:56 300 Theban Sacred Band; elite of the elite.
Alexander and the Macedonians were not Greeks?!
Great video nonetheless
Thanks for the feedback
macedonier vs greeks? wrong. greek coalition vs a greek kingdom. read history before you make videos
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Great video. Alexander the Great was only 18 years old here and this was his very first ever battle. It's a testament to his brilliance how he was able to not only lead his men, but how he was able to spot the gap in the Athenian and Theban line ans how he knew to order his infantry on the Macedonian right to attack the Athenian and Theban left flank head on while he and the cavalry exploited the gap and attacked the Thebans from the rear. It was a brilliant move that won them the battle.
what do you mean by Great Video? The Macedonian Empire did not Conquer Greece. A city-state called Macedonia conquered the rest of the City States. The Roman Empire conquered Greece. The Ottoman Empire conquered Greece. When the Spartans attained Hegemony over Greece, we don't say the Spartan Empire conquered Greece.
@ektorpolykandriotis635 it's a great video because he did a great job visually showing it, it was very easy to understand what happened. I know the Macedonians were Greek.
The way Alexander leading his cavalary across the field between Macedon army and Greek lines is great
@@ahmarelvirgio823 both belligerents were Greek.
@@ektorpolykandriotis635 To be accurate , it was not "a city state". It was a Greek/Hellenic kingdom, that united the rest of the Greeks , with the aim to attack Persia. The unification of course was violent. In Greece/Hellas, there were many different political statues at the time, there were city-states, there were kingdoms too (like the Macedonian kingdom [Μακεδονικό βασίλειο] and the kingdom of Ήπειρος , where Pyrros [Πύρρος] became a king some years later). The re were also Greeks in north Italy and the whole Sicily, usually in city states. Those Greeks were not part of the political unification that Philip and Alexander did, they had their own problems with Romans and Carthage , they did not care about Persia.
Impressive, what is your CPU? I want to build a PC only for play Total war with many Men
I get into your channel by an accident when I was seeking battle of the great Hannibal. And damn me...keep on making those videos. As a passionate with history this is stunning to watch. The informations on each video is on point!
The Macedonians were anxious to assert their Greekness (the Athenian orator Demosthenes called them barbarians), but their own language (apparently unintelligible to other Greeks) lacked the cultural prestige to match their imperial ambitions.
New Testament Greek: A Reader (Reading Greek) by Joint Association of Classical Teachers (Author) pp.204
*doesnt elaborate on the countless Athenian orators having a completely opposite opinion*
*proceeds to quote the Bible that literally doesn't make a distinction between the Macedons and the rest of the Greeks*
completely ignoring that the official language of Macedon at the time was Attic Greek.
During soccer matches Athenians today will call Thessalonikeans "Bulgarians". It is a derogatory term. Thessalonikeans call Athenians of Olympiacos "smelt" or "gavros" which is a tiny fish. In your genius analysis that is proof that people who live in Athens are actually fish. The Macedonians participated in the Olympics. Only Greeks could do that. There are infinite other references (Alexander's answer to Darius for example) that prove beyond doubt that Macedonians were and are as Greeks as anyone can be.
Go read Daniel 8:1-27 and come back to me more educated. There (in bible) Alexander the Great is referred by archangel Gabriel as the GREEK King and Macedonia as the Greek Kingdom! *Mic drop*
you are just laughable with how uneducated you are. many ancient Greeks when they disliked each other insulted each other by calling the barbarian, unwashed, uncivilized and others. if they wanted to say that the Macedonians were not Greek they would have called them foreigners not barbarians. Macedonians are Greek with Doric roots. I challenge you to find me an ancient source that says and proves that the ancient Macedonians were not Greek, otherwise you are uneducated and a fraud.
Hi friend, how did you record your game? I mean by what application?
Let's make something clear for once and FOREVER wasnt Macedonia vs Greece here was Macedonian s vs Athens and Thebes ,A Macedonian s first Ruler was Makednos from Bloodline of Hellen son of Deucalionas king of Thessaly they spoke Greek similar to Doric Dialecte and have absolutely the same Gods with rest of Greek in their Southern border with Thessaly located the Olympus mountain the sacred mountain of all Greek s and the point Greek Mythology begin s ( Olympians vs Titans) much Later from Makednos came to Macedonia Nobles Refugees from Argos of Pelloponese became Later kings The Argean Dynasty Alexander The Grate was deshendant by them , one Alexander Ansestor took part in the Olympic games in who only Greek s can participate, B Thebans was the only Greek city wad Always in good relationship with Persia thats why Alexander destroy Thebes ,C In Athens was a Political party anti Macedonian under Demosthenes,And a Political party Under Issocratis who support Union of Greece under Philip the time of the conflict of Cheronea the anti Macedonia n party was in Power,D Alexander was under guidance of Delfi oracle to unite Greece against Persians ,Thats why The campaign was Panhellenic and his title was " chief General of the Greek s" when you say Macedonian vs Greeks is like you say Celts vs Irish
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This is the show I wish netflix or history channel(not that they do history any more) would pick up
10 out of 10 there are some new greek hd and rome hd mods def worth checking out as well
Молодцы . Красиво всё показали . Вот времена были .
Awesome and entertaining video 😊
But it was recommended to me the moment I opened the App
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TotalWarBattles it is constantly emphasized Makedonians and Greeks, Makedonians and Greeks???? Makedonians were Greeks, Dorian Greeks, it was a civil war, one of the many that the Greeks fought among themselves.
What do you recommend as an alternative?
@@WarAndHistory. Makedonians and Athenian alliance or Athenians and the allied cities states.
@@WarAndHistory. Unfortunately the civil war's did a lot of damage to Greece.
Macedonians had a great deal of Greek origin but due to their willingness to intermingle with " barbarian " cultures everyone agrees that they barely even were to be considered Greeks and were often looked down on by the other city states... granted they were often apart of Greek politics but they were so different from their brothers down south that it's easier to just refer to them as their own thing...after all they didn't refer to themselves as the new Persian empire, or the Greek empire ,they called themselves the Macedonian empire... like how the Romans were called Romans not Italians or Latins.
Ајде не сери дебилу, не знаш ништа од реалности, насео си на германско англосаксонске фабрикатеисторије!!!
Филип ll КАРАНОВИЋ је био ТРИБАЛ (српско племе), жена му Атена ИЛИРКА (српско племе) имадоше сина АЛЕКСАНДРА КАРАНОВИЋА алијас ВЕЛИКИ, који нема везе са називом "Македонски", иначе, област МаЦедонија, је од 1922 године у данашњој Грчкој, до тада беше Илирска терирорија!!! Радња ове анимације сеже преко 1500 година уназад, када су Грци живели на Пелопонезу, острвима и данашњој Турској, зато не серендај глупости него погледај другу страну "медаље" зване "Македонија", бар сада је то лако !!!
The commentary seems VERY FAMILIAR to the HistoryMarche video of this, good vid either way