Prince Explains the Secret to Jimmy Page's Style
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John Paul Jones’s arrangements and bass playing shouldn’t be underestimated.
Led Zeppelin were so much bigger than the sum of their parts!
I think it was part John Bonham, and part John Paul Jones….who NEVER gets the respect he deserves! Man was a musical monster!!
I'm working on a vid about JPJ's underappreciated contributions. You're right about him being undervalued!
Page was a rare talent, great playing, great song writing, and great studio work
I think the x-factor was Page's songwriting.
You nailed it, and his ability to perform!
And his production.
@@TalkLinkMusic-gd7fz Plants voice and melodies took pages song writing to a whole new level. Bohham made it all come alive though and glued it together like magic. Also Jones wrote the main sequence for No Quater and the Riff for Black Dog and also helped page find chord changes for songs that work..... you can see this in jimmy and jones working on stairway to heaven, ....jones hands page the chord when jimmy page is stuck
I think the secret to the band's success was the chemistry between all four members, which created a fifth element. If any of the members of the band were taken out, it would not have been as successful. Every member's playing (to me) sounds more inspired when in that band, than when they have done other projects. Page and Plant formed a kind of cosmic yin/yang balance of energies, Bonham was the foundation and Jones tied everything together.
Absolutely true!
Of course,that’s why they quit when he died.
All 4 weRe unique and great. They combined to make a perfect storm.
Agreed.
Bonham was exceptional. Next level and he was in tune with page esp up to 75. Call and response and really listened to page. Pushed the whole band
Yes it's true: John Bonham was using the drums like a solo instrument, and accompaniment to every note that was played, like nobody else; that pop element he liked as well.
Agree. He's such a powerhouse that his melody and hooks often get overlooked. Sometimes it's like a thunderstorm playing in tune. Others, he's caressing his drums and cymbals...
Fell asleep in my bed with the radio on at night when I was a little twat and was woken up by Robert Plants haunting voice on the immigrant song. It scared the sh*t out of me and I was wondering what kind of demonic band is this ? 😯 lol. Plant's voice is what made Zeppelin, Zeppelin . Page was just along for the ride $
All 4 members of Led Zeppelin were phenomenal at what they do. Led Zeppelin was Jimmy Page's band...that's a fact and there's no debate about that. Was Robert Plant a great singer?...hell yes, just like Bonzo was a great drummer and JPJ was a great all around musician but you can't say Jimmy Page "was along for the ride"....that's just ignorant
Couldn’t disagree more…Zeppelin’s allure was the sum of all 4 guys but mostly the musicianship of the 3 guys performances that inspired Plant’s vocals. He was def good but his solo stuff without Bohnam, Page and JPJ is mostly sterile. However his first one Pictures at Eleven smoked!
Fascinating take!
JPJ was the Swiss army knife in Zep. Jimmy was a solid producer and super emotive guitarist. Robert was a fantastic voice with charisma galore. Bonzo was a human metronome and had a producer who experimented with how Bonzo was miked in the studio. Without Jimmy, Zep would have been successful but Page made them the greatest band of all-time. JMO
Agree, the impact of Page's production can never be overestimated. 😎
Alex Van Halen said Eddie didn’t keep time without him either.😂 Alex would tell Eddie on four and when Eddie would play Alex would tell Eddie that was was five.😂
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Page sounded great in The Firm when he wasnt loaded
Every song started with pages riffs , they contributed to band equally Bonham revolutionized the drums as an instrument and gave music more sonic trajectory to blues which eventually became "rock"
The alchemy between the for melted into gold.
Oddly enough I felt the same way about Hendrix. Mitch Mitchell was his secret weapon. Hendrix was never the same after he fired Mitchel and he paid for it with his life because deep down- he knew it.
I mostly agree with you here. Mitch is arguably the most underrated drummer of all time and, also, arguably the most important underrated drummer. 😎😎
@@TalkLinkMusic-gd7fz I saw Hendrix twice and both times I couldn't take my eyes off Mitch Mitchell.
He got Mitchell back, did you miss that somehow???
@@mrJimCharles Relax dude:) Take a chill pill:)
Page and Jones were studio musicians, they could play together in any time signature with ease. I think they both realized what a rare player Bonzo was and the rest is history.
I started playing drums because of John Bonham and respect his approach, chops and innovation. I think what little work he did with other bands like McCartney sounds fairly undistinguished compared to Zep. I realize McCartney hired Bonham for a few sessions & their musical relationship didn't have the depth of Bonzo's career with Page because
Paul wrote songs that made Paul sound good. Fortunately Page wrote songs so Led Zeppelin could rev its mighty engine.
To me the biggest part of Zeppelins success was Robert Plant's voice. Amazing!
All four of the members of Led Zeppelin were unique talents, but I do agree that Bonzo's drumming was a key ingredient of their sound. His power and his feel were one of a kind. His bass drum work was unmatched. I'm a multi-instrumentalist and songwriter who spends most of my time playing acoustic guitar and singing these days, but way back in the 80's I started my musical journey as a drummer, and nobody was more influential to me in that regard than John Bonham.
His drumming literally changed music. 😎 Great insights, thanks for commenting!
Prince was right. If you watch any videos of Zeppelin live you will see that Jimmy Page is playing off of John Bonham's drumming, It's there if you look. Page is listening intently to what Bonham is doing and reacting to it. Bonham is reaacting to what Page is doing as well so it is very symbiotic. And behind them both is John Paul Jones adding in his brilliance.
Ya, Page has commented on that himself, how they all grouped around Bonham live. Thanks for your comment!
page was the most important piece of the puzzle. JB was great but he wasn't the spark that made it all happen.
It was def. Jimmy's band from the start... He was master of ceremonies no doubt.
This is all true but if you know your Mighty LZ history…. then you know that LZ was a complete concept before Page discovered Plant and Bonham …it was always Pages puzzle before they were even considered as pieces to competing it….also don’t forget the band has always said no Bonham no LZ….
True that. I've actually got a vid that talks about the Led Zeppelin contracts and how Page was the only member directly signed to Atlantic. the others were hired hands. Great comment appreciate your input.
I could hear Prince jamming with Metallica because he and Kirk Hamett shared Jimi Hendrix and Jimmy Page as their common guitar heroes.
I woulda loved to hear that!
Yes, but Page was a prolific and successful session guitarist long before Led Zep
I think Bonham was great and it's hard to imagine someone in his place being as effective, but I think Page, Plant and Jones all had to be there for it to be what it was. Page is an idiosyncratic guitar player, but he still rips, especially for the time. Plant's voice was absolutely imperative, no question. Jones was a glue that held things together during experimental phases as he was the most proficient multi instrumentalist and was able to add unique elements that the others weren't capable of. They were just a killer band all in all.
Well said 😎
Led Zep were the perfect storm. Just 4 incredible musicians coming together. Remove any 1 of them, and it's no longer The Greatest Rock band of all time.
Agreed.
I think it's partly true but, you could state that Zep wouldn't have been as successful if you took out ANY of the four individual members.
That's true.
Why the blurry photos?
D-oh -- bit of a CQ issue. Do better next time! Thanks for the catch!
Corky Laing would make any band great.
Bonham believed.
Each of the four members was an element: fire, water, air, and earth.
Sorry but this is incorrect. You have fire, air and two earths in Led Zeppelin. ;)
@@DrTomoculus John Bonham was water, not earth.
@@jeremygrahamellis John Bonham was born May 31st, 1948. This makes him GEMINI. Air.
Robert Plant is LEO (going onto the cusp of Virgo)
John Paul Jones and Jimmy Page are both CAPRICORN.
Air. Fire. Two Earths. ;)
@@DrTomoculus The astrological sun signs of the band members have nothing to do with the magical assignment of the members in the band according to the four elements. 93 "Do What Though Wilt"
@@jeremygrahamellis Then one should explain that difference, to those who are unaware of Crowley and Magick.
Sorry, as much as I may love Cream and adore the Stones, it kinda boggles my mind how any serious musician could have something negative to say about John Bonham's drumming in the context of Led Zeppelin, Zeppelin never would have been what they were without him, especially live. But that goes for all four. I think that Baker and Clapton were just butthurt about Zeppelin overshadowing the big finale of their own band, that's just a guess because I remember Jack Bruce also saying negative things about zep.
Keith Richards? I don't know, he's one of my all time favorite musicians and songwriters but he's just flat out wrong about this topic.
Ironically, I love Prince and obviously Zeppelin, but I was not a fan of the couple of versions of WLL I heard him do. He sang it in his falsetto voice and it took a lot of the power away from it, imo.
Great points!
@@TalkLinkMusic-gd7fz thanks. I just checked out your channel and I subbed cuz it looks like you have a lot of cool and interesting videos to check out. But yeah, don't get me started on Bonzo, back in my drinking days , if zep came on the jukebox all my buddies would get a scared expression on their faces because they knew I was about to go into one of my drunken, extended rants about why John Bonham will always be the greatest drummer that ever lived 😁.
I saw in a reply you made to someone else that you're working on a JPJ video, I'm looking forward to that. JPJ is soooo underated by the masses. His bass playing is off the hook him and Bonzo are the main reason I love listening to live Zep bootlegs, and when Jimmy's dope habit really made a negative impact on his playing during 77 and Plants voice was blown out those two totally carried the band live (JPJ and JB, that is), although by the final tour in 80 Jimmy was playing better even though from all accounts, including his own, he was most definitely still strung out...go figure
Look, Page was an accomplished studio guitarist long before meeting Bonham and before Prince was out of kids’ sized shoes. That he couldn’t count time is ludicrous. And while he was a musical savant/polymath, Prince’s take on others dulled that shine considerably.
Good points. I think it's actually just a bit of hyperbole -- because it's so damned hard to quantify Bonzo's brilliance. 😎
Eric Clapton has zero right criticizing anyone. He is highly over rated. I'm not saying he's not good. Just not one of the best, not even close.
Clapton seems to really hate LZ.
Page is over rated.......
Sure he is
funny, since page told bonham to follow the guitar and they would take his extra bass drum away from him.