Zwift Climb Portal: Gamified Virtual Climbing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
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Zwift just released a new feature called the Climb Portal with a gamified approach. This feature lets Zwifters virtually tackle some of the most challenging and famous real-world climbs.
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00:33 The Climb Portal Details
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The gradient colour is a nice touch, but I'd prefer a simple generated enviroment around it. It doesn't have to look like the real climb, just use the Alpe, Ventoux and Epic Climb assets to quickly generate something.
You know what would be cool? If we could implement the climbs in our own backyard into a feature like this.
A virtual training platform could be able to extrapolate the elevation profile and curvature of the roadway from something like a strava segment to creature a visual fest similar to this.
In RGT you can take any GPX file and turn it into a virtual road you can ride in game and it's the best bit about RGT, you can practice for upcoming races or trips or visit interesting places e.g. formula 1 tracks. Doing it in zwift in this style would be awesome!
The HACK around this is to load a course into Best Bike Split, get the optimal power outputs and then turn that into a workout. I've done this for several TT race preps. I tend to do these for race prep on a flat flat route so it doesn't get weird because the terrain definitely won't correspond. An RGT-type upload a GPX with this simple colored layout like this would be great.
Try RGT Magic Roads.
ROUVY does that
Rouvy has many cool climbs and it even shows real videos of the places so super real feeling
As much as I'd prefer them to recreate the climbs visually and don't care much for the graphics. I think this allows them to put out more climbs in a quicker time. The color changing with the gradient is useful too. Great addition. Would be nice if we were able to have access to all the climbs on a daily basis and be able to choose which one we want to ride. But this is a nice feature, looking forward to using it.
I think you can choose which one to ride. but only from the menu. I rode platzerwasel yesterday although an other climb was on.
I have mixed feelings about it. I have been wishing they would add another big climb or two. This does that, but without environmental graphics and, it seems, without other riders - two things that make climbing the Alpe du Zwift more fun. The cynic in me thinks they did it this way just to get away with not having to model the environment. Probably true, too, because they plan to feature more than one climb (which is, admittedly, nice). However, I'm not so much a fan of this style over the Alpe, so hopefully they can implement something like what roguelikes do in games - add procedurally generated graphics for the climb. Or at least, allow other riders in too (with the ability to ride it solo if that's your desire). I'm kind of mixed on it. I got Zwift originally to help with the tedium of indoor training, and not having to stare at a power graph or the wall during my workout. This really is not all that far from that.
Yeah. I don't see reason for this approach in Zwift. If i want to challenge myself i race. If i want regular training session i rather train with ERG-mode and just zone out from the Zwift itself (rather watch some videos or play games).
Then again maybe these would be good when finding a good climb, evading all the hassle to navigate to particular climb. And maybe the format gets me more involved with Zwift, not use it just for racing and ERG-mode. There is something nice of finding a good climb and mastering it in the meat-space. Maybe something similar could happen with this as well.
I liked Sufferfest's/System's video-format as well even if it seemed lame at first.
+1 My thoughts exactly!
Great video as always! Keep up the good work.
Awesome love it😊😊🚴🏻😃 great review
Personally this is exactly what i always wanted from Zwift
The same here. Always wanted this. When I started on zwift I was specting something like this.
Cant wait to try this out. Great way to add a lot of "routes".
Love your idea on the landscape for training workouts... Genius!
That would be sweet if Zwift implements something like that for workouts.
Cool. I’ve been building my own climbs in RGT. Look forward to trying this.
I really like your idea about using these graphics for workouts.
Hate the look - but the idea of having the most famous climbs is actually cool. I get why they did it this way, easier to pull in just the elevation data, but they could learn a thing or 2 from the sim racing modding world about pulling in worlds quickly. I was already looking at RGT to do the famous climbs any ways, I may still do it that way to be honest.
I pretty stoked about the climb challenges, great they try new styles. I don‘t need shiny worlds, looking forward with great hopes.
Looking forward to the release
Would love to hear your thoughts on the new portal once you give it a try. Thanks for watching!
for those of us in timezones that aren't currently getting good signups, being able to iTT a whole bunch of new climbs instead is a welcome addition. very cool.
This is super cool. Like not enough to make me switch back to zwift as a platform, but great for people already subscribed to it.
Fresh tarmac without having to bother their arse creating any graphics whatsoever then pass it off as a ‘feature’, how very Zwift.
if u don't like u don't have to eat it...ride outdoors and save us your crap !!
Everyone is entitled to their own view and tbh it's a very valid point. I think looking at that would give me a headache.... Think I'll be sticking with IndieVelo.
@@dangerfulmind u always have the option to ride outdoors or use another platform.
@@Daimoku1938 very true, I ride outside and indoors year round, but the fact remains that the original comment is a point of view anyone is entitled to make without ridicule.
I'm a chubster that likes to climb. The gradient colors will be nice to throw in intervals on non z1/2 days. Nice variety.
This is great if it means we can get new routes. I hope that this done not stop them from developing Waitopia. Several of these climbs linked together would be great.
The safety bike select 👏 😄
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It's interesting to say the least, although you made a very good point - they can now add new "routes" much more often.
This feels weird. If I want to climb the famous climb, don't I also want to see the surrounding? With this graphic style (that I think looks actually cool) every climb would look the same, right? To me it always feels special to climb the AdZ and see the nature changing with every meter of elevation. That would be missing, I guess. We'll see. I will surely give it a try.
Take a look at Rouvy! Absolutely brilliant for climbing.
Sounds interesting
Tried two, I think they are great.
Very cool t-shirt. I'm going to get one. Lighter colors(gray, white,...) would be nice.
Can definitely add different colors :)
Once we can upload our own segments to train the stuff in our backyards or places we plan to go in the future, it will be great. Until then, it’s cool and I’ll use it but I’m not blown away by it.
As someone who finds climbing the relatively bare slopes of Ventoux in Zwift dull, I'm REALLY looking forward to these climbs...
Glad to see you covered this new feature. This answered a few questions I had. Btw will you be reviewing Rolla in the future?
Yes, I am looking into Rolla.
I love it, Zwift keeps getting better and better. Love the new Zwift Play devices also! Thanks for the update, always appreciated!
Love that they're trying something new! Looking forward to riding all of these.
This runs at 100%. You'll be down in the grunt rings.
It's all the stats. Which I like. Since it is incremental to the platform I think its good. More options for me. Besides, I've got a low gear bike on my Kickr now!
My weak points other then cake is climbing. Would really like structured climbing training as that is where i get dropped while racing. Thank you for the quick update.
great video- easy question. at 1:06 into the video when you first enter the portal you can see in the data it says 10.67 mi, 3989 ft and ETA 96:13. Is this for the portal including the descent or just the climb portion itself? I did my 1st yesterday and as I am learning the descent is part of the portal right? thanks!
I want to be able to chain all my favourite climbs together, Alpe d' Huez, Galibier, Croix de Fer, Zoncolan, Granon, Mortirolo, Angliru, Ventoux and Stelvio.
Maybe they can just randomly select another climb to add on to the end of the current climb so one can have an infinite climbing session.
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So far I’m liking it. I don’t mind the simple graphics since I’m focused more of the effort based on the gradient. Would be nice to have some options to change the color background / theme.
Glad to hear that you are liking it. Having the option to change colors is an interesting one. We will see what Zwift does as they listen to all the feedback from users.
The graphics actually put me off trying this but I will give it a go once the update is available. I’ve just got the email from Zwift about this. They also mention the haptic feedback is being enabled on the play controllers. It also mentions video recording of highlights is being rolled out to a percentage of Apple TV users.
Well done for beating DC Rainmaker and GP Llama to the first TH-cam video about this update
love to see zwift leaning into the game elements, thats what sets zwift apart from competitors like rouvy.
If it means they can (and do) roll out new real world climbs more often then I’m all for it. If you’re riding these indoors and putting in effort then you’ll be sweating out of your eyeballs so having detailed scenery is a waste! I hope they build a library of climbs ranging from ones you can tackle in 15/20 minutes to beasts that take 90 minutes+
How do the segments look on Strava?
They really need to just add a generative AI system that can use public mapping and satellite data.
Another great review, this is one of the best place on TH-cam about smart bike trainers, I'm looking forward to try this new feature, thank you.
I have been cycling for a while (MTB, Road, Gravel) and used other smart trainer platforms and on Zwift for the last 6 months. To my surprise Zwift keeps things interesting because they are not shackled by reality. They can make the pavement change color with gradient, I can teleport into another group ride, take a coffee brake and stay in the group, train, do A-B-C-D group rides/races with or against fellow cyclists from all over the world. They keep coming up with new ways for me to enjoy riding.
What do you think about virtupro? I really like the singleplayer aspect of it but i barely find any videos about it. why is that? Is it legit?
do you get a badge for completing any of the new climbs?
This is awesome, love it, hope we get non-climbs and races in this environment also!
Is it gamified, or is it also a way to bypass Zwift's severe limitations within the game engine in developing new roads and routes? A generic background - it's all a big CSS snowflakey for my taste, is much easier to render if it's effectively a randomly generated set of sprites on a blank canvas.
Couldn’t agree more. The number of people who don’t get that this is just a lazy hack to rush out the climb portal is mind-boggling.
Really cool concept that really speeds up the time it takes the developers to release new climbs. Obviously we'd like to feel more immersed in the visuals of each climb itself, but this is a great alternative. Excited (and already intimidated) to try some of the TdF climbs!
Let’s give it a try. Just bought the game controller for fun but won’t be using it until the weather turns. Out and about.
For me this looks like another kids video game. I enjoy climbing real routes in Rouvy. Getting to see the difference in scenery helps the climb go by. Try mamiky's SteIvio route if you want a tough challenge. 15 miles at 6 to 8 percent for the whole climb. I think staring at these fake colorful video game graphics would get old pretty quick.
Thanks good review as usual :) Hmmm... nope. Like the data features (slope, ft to climb remaining etc.), understand that they can spin up new worlds more quickly this way... but... the look and feel... compared to FulGaz for example...
Interesting - very different from their previous expansions but I think I dig it. The road colour by gradient is kinda neat, but I can see how some purists will want trees/rocks/etc. At the end of the day, the rider stats will tell the story.
Feels a lot like Rainbow Road in MarioKart.
How are XP distributed? Every mile/kilometer, finish of climb, other?
How about the ability to upload a route ourselves and ride it in Zwift. Similar I guess to RGT but in Zwift.
Seems like this is a great way to let users upload GPX files are pre-ride/re-ride courses they have done or made online. I would be way down to practice some triathlon bike routes with this format.
Sadly they specifically said this won't be happening.
@@HobbyHoarder well then the winter-only subscription will continue for me haha real bummer
I like it because if you are only interested in climbing you can skip all the routes and head straight to the climb.
What a cheap solution from Zwift to add some climbs to the platform. Rouvy is making huge steps in the right direction.
I want trees and rocks ;-)
Looks like you’re riding on Veloviewer
i like it
There are generally two kinds of riders using Zwift. 1) Numbers riders who care about elevation, watts, draft percentages, race placement, etc., and don't care as much about the look beyond the edges of the road. 2) Experience riders who like the immersive experience of being in an environment. #1 will love this and #2 won't. I definitely lean to #1, personally.
I'm #2 and very disappointed already!
Not for me, but I get this is what some people really want.
Can you see other riders on these portal climbs?
That was a pre-release preview so no riders were around. Once it is open, you should be able to see other riders on the climbs.
great
What bike does you avatar have?
It’s the Safety frame
LOVE this. Now I just want to be able to choose what actual climb I'm riding instead of random and it will be perfect.
To be honest I never cared about the "environment" aspect of zwift. Or other people. If it's a casual ride or a race, sure, love those. But if I'm doing interval sessions where all I care is my power output and hitting the numbers on my intervals, I don't even pay attention to the graphics. I'm busy sweating through my eyeballs.
I like the concept but not sold on the Mario Kart Rainbow road visuals
Its rainbow road from Mario Kart
Hmmm… just imagine… what if someone had already created an indoor cycling app that accurately recreated real-life climbs? I mean, in a really real environment… that would be a real “game”-changer, right? 🤔🤠
you bet
Is Rouvy available via AppleTV?
@thelilprokids8105 and it works great on AppleTV!
@@thelilprokids8105 yeap
and how do I go to this portal ?
Currently you can register for it. You will find the registration option right on the home page. Should be open June 30th. Make sure your app is up to date.
With nothing of interest, such as nice scenary, to focus my attention on, I can see my attention shifting to how much my legs hurt and judging by these graphics that looks like happening after around 200 meters.
Agreed. What's the point of recreating real world climbs with rainbow vomit graphics? This makes no sense to me. Why recreate famous climbs like Col d'Aspin if you can't see what it actually looks like. That's one of the things that I really like about Alpe du Zwift. When you're going around Dutch Corner, you know it. Might as well make some arbitrary gradient changes and call it good.
A little too much bubblegum LSD - really don't like the floating white things and odd sounds.
Nice touch with colour for gradients, but could alredy be integrated to existing roads on climps.
About the grafic - It does not take a long time to build those grafics and a well coded AI/algorithem could easylig crate putt inn grafic and then have light rendering after.
What would be nice is a feature where you upload a GPX profile and then ride it in swift.
I like the route and elevation profile on the right hand side. But the graphics are a bit, meh. It seems like a quick cheap fix from zwift to add more climbs without having to create the environment around it. Will it have other riders on the route as well?
Yes it should have other riders on the routes as well once it is open. I had an early access to this feature. that’s why I was all alone :)
Be sure to raise your front wheel. Otherwise you are just quad dominant riding into a headwind
I think the addition of the Climb Portal is fantastic but I hate, hate, hate the graphics.
I hear you. It seems like the Climb Portal concept is exciting but the graphics aren't hitting the mark for many. Thanks for sharing!
This is great, and I hope the "video gaming" style evolves to keep you engaged while training. Sometimes it gets a bit boring.
I'm okay with this change. It's clean, it's soft on the eyes, and it's better than waiting a year for Zwift to recreate the environments of so many roads. I'd also love to see this used on workouts but with some sort of visual cue for cadence requirements. Since these visuals are dynamic, I'd love to see the environment distort when my heart rate is raised - maybe a basic radial blur when you're in the red. And its okay with me if this development + Repack rush leads us to further gamification. I want to work out AND have fun sometimes.
Personally I'm not sold on the idea. I have seen Rolla which I see as a competitor to zwift come out with some awesome graphics. I think people want to feel a lot more in game. I have no issues with them releasing climbs early without the graphics and then update the climbs later but want to see more climbs, more worlds, more options
You've raised some valid points. Your idea about releasing climbs first and then updating graphics later is interesting. Thanks for watching!
I’m not sure I care about realistic graphics. Coloring the climb based on gradient would help me pace it better I think.
I think it looks good and I like the stripped down graphics and the visual style that shows the gradients like veloviewer but I find it frustrating that they don’t just release a list of climbs and you can choose which one and when you want to ride it rather than having just one at a time
More real world climbs is great. Simplifying the graphics to allow for more climbs is a fine trade.
I want to see a real world, animals, birds. That’s why I ride. Zwift is just cheating out.
Have they run out of graphic designers?
They are just cutting down their overhead and expenses to launch new routes while their revenues increase. More profit !
This is very cool stuff. To be able to ride climbs you only dream about or see the pros climbing is a great addition, and the fact that they will continue to build routes is excellent for a realistic climbing library. The only PROBLEM is that WE ARE NOT PROs! My point here is this might cause more competition and injuries or worse! The climbs the pros do are certainly not park rides, and folks will have to take care not to overdo it, which we will. The IF and TSS scores for these routes will be off the charts compared to all routes except for ADZ. In summary, fitness is good, and challenging oneself is excellent, but as one who has overdone it on Zwift and required several weeks of recovery, I advise enthusiastic caution!
Meh …. looks to me that Zwift are doing things on the cheap. I enjoy the visuals on the regular Zwift climbs and use various waypoints to break down the climb into sections. As Rolla dials up the graphics of indoor riding, Zwift does this.
I'm personally indifferent about the climbing portal. Cool idea, though. I would like more QOL upgrades for organizing your garage, more colors/customization for bikes, and a fcking in-game lap button.
RGT Magic Roads copy gone horribly wrong !
I like climbing but this does not seem like of an improvement to zwift. I can do this on many other platforms with video/graphics of the climb and/or others also on the climb. Zwift is great (at least for me) since it seems like you can jump on the trainer and find groups of people to ride with any time of the day.
I kind of think it looks cool but hey I don't even have the app yet etc colors norm make me feel better etc
I have mixed feelings about this. For me, even though I ride mostly solo on Zwift, it's being able to see other riders zoom around like in real life that makes Zwifting feel more realistic. This doesn't seem to include other riders when riding solo. Also, I'm not so sure about the "Toys-R-Us" roads. What about proper pavement, with maybe, AI generated graphics? Having said that, I'll need to experience it first before I give a final verdict. I'm hoping it's more fun than my first impression...
There are no other riders in this video because it's a feature that wasn't released to all at the time it was recorded. Once it's out, all riders will see each other in here while riding.
Nice idea but for what they charge a month, and keep upping the payments, rather see the other climbs. Honestly, i think zwift has become very complacent over the last few years
Since scenery/visuals is half the fun for me and an important reason to use Zwift, it looks very boring to me, riding like that. For those climbs I would change to other software with real visuals about the surroundings.
Oh wow, these climbs look hideous! I was very excited for that feature, to be able to ride more real climbs, but these visuals completely turn me off. I probably won‘t even try them.
I think this looks cool. I'm for making it look more like Mario carts. But i always make excuses about using the trainer. I'd rather ride outside even in 100f
Just seems to me zwift have given up trying no more real routes and basically becoming a game I left 2years ago and with price raises and the lack of new just not temped to go back
ok, so tron bike slightly less boring to get
Those graphics are wildly uninspiring. Some of the fun of climbing AdZ is recognising different visuals. I'm a lightweight climber, but this does not look like something I will put a lot of time into