@@stuffyoucando2 I am all over the State... State Contractor.. I know I have been there... Reasons I ask where it's ask... Memory is as faulty WDC has ever been... OK.. I have been all over Pa & NY okay not so much Jersey the place makes my hair stand up in Jersey...
And yes they did help especially with a full fresh tank. But in my case I do feel them when emply on average bumps but nothing too bad considering they are 1/2 inch from touching the axle.
The ride will be the same except for big bumps, that will cause some decent bucking. My experience was with the black springs which are a little harder.
I assume you mean an unloaded ride will be the same. It really depends on how close to the axle the spring is, which can be changed depending on if the provided spacer is used. In my case, I used the spacer, which put the spring very close to the axle, even unloaded. The spring contacts the axle during just about any suspension travel in that case, leading to a harsher ride. I didn't experience "bucking" though, which might be because you used the heavier duty springs. I considered getting those, but ultimately decided the blue ones would be more what I was looking for. Thanks for watching!
In my follow up video you can see that in my case, the spring was just touching the axle, but I had a cap on this truck as well, and I also had the spacer that the manufacturer provides installed. If I had left that out I would’ve had about a one inch gap. Here’s the link to that video: th-cam.com/video/d_gaPH8qYyw/w-d-xo.html
Good video, I went with Timbren SES on my 2020 F150 due to the bottom bracket they have. The risk of rubbing or pinching a brake line with the sumos worried me. The SES is progressive like Sumo, unloaded truck rides great.
@@outdoorsisbetter4u399 gotcha, maybe it is, I’m not sure. There are definitely some brake differences, at least on the electric parking brake equipped trucks.
With a 750lb TW the WD hitch should be all that's needed to level both the trailer & TV, (BOTH must be level to mitigate trailer sway). I get a kick that none of these 'reviews' include CAT weights. (the 'actual' load) on the axles & tires. Do you have the CAT weights of both the TV alone loaded for camping, the trailer alone loaded, and then hitched with and without WD set? That is really the best way to determine if the rig is balanced properly and that you are within the axle & tire load ratings. (something a lot of folks ignore) .
Thanks for your video...sorry if you already answered this question. I just installed SumoSprings and my concern is that the bottom of the new spring/pad/block now rests on the factory stop without any load on the truck. Should there be a gap? The factory spring/pad/block had about a 3-4 inch gap which was why I thought I needed the sumo. Thanks!
If you installed the spacer that’s provided you can remove that and you’ll get the spring an inch shorter. It’s not a problem if it touches, the ride will be a little stiffer because of it though.
Installed on my 2018 raptor. I used no spacer and cut the bottom ring off. It would hit when driving messing up my ride. With cutting the bottom ring off ride is perfect. Only lost 1 inch in sag till then hit the axle.
I had a similar problem, I decided to buy a set of the softer blue springs made for trailers, they are an inch shorter giving 2" of free ride before engagement. You can swap them back and forth with your long blue or black springs in less than 5 minutes without jacking the truck up. Costs another 250...that's the downside
On mine, the springs just barely touch the axle because I have the optional 1" spacer installed and a cap on my truck. The ride doesn't feel too much different, but I'd say it's a little stiffer than before without a load on it. If you install these and leave the spacer out, there would need to be more travel before the springs would touch, so the ride should be the same as stock when unloaded.
Thanks for sharing the video. I really didn't have an idea of how to take off the bump stop. Your video helped, thanks I just need to find out what size it is.
My question is did the height in the back of the truck change when not loaded and with the sumo springs installed? I have a tundra that I’m thinking about putting these on but I don’t want the back of my truck sitting any higher than it is now when it’s not loaded. I don’t like the front of the truck sagging look haha.
No, the springs do not lift the truck beyond the factory height. I have the 1” spacer installed that comes with the kit and it still doesn’t raise it. Leaving out the spacer would leave even more of a gap between the spring and axle.
You can check out part 2 of this review here: SumoSprings Truck Helper Spring Review Part 2 - Impressions After Towing th-cam.com/video/d_gaPH8qYyw/w-d-xo.html
Curious...When towing a trailer like you have, you should be using a weight distributing hitch. Ford actually requires it for any trailers over 5k#. I’m curious if you are using weight distribution, and if you are, did you have to readjust it after installing these. Currently I get zero sway, my truck rides with my trailer at the same height as when it’s unloaded when using the weight distribution. However I do have a ‘softness’ in my truck when towing. I don’t have heavy duty tires (which will help with stiffer sidewalls) but was looking for a something that might help in the mean time.
Yes I do use a WDH, and I mentioned in the video that SumoSprings are not a substitute for a WDH. As for readjustment, I did go through the set up procedure after the install as it did impact how the truck sat with the trailer on it. In fact, it’s a good practice to do the set up each time as the trailer tongue weight may differ depending on the trailer cargo, such as if the water tanks are full or empty. Thanks for watching!
I liked the simplicity of these over bags. I considered Timbrens as well but after reading other reviews decided to give these a try. The ride is stiffer, but I’ll note I had the spacer installed with allows less travel before the spring touches the axle. Without the spacer would be a little better, but it’s not unbearable, just noticeable.
Are you happy with the 1000lb sumospring or do you think you should have gone with the 1500lb? My trailer has similar hitch weight as yours with your cap. Is your hitch weight listed dry or actual?
@@alexhendrickson6124 I struggled a little with that too if you can tell in the video. You just need to keep a good grip on the spring while tightening the bolt.
It comes down to how much you want the suspension to travel before the axle touches the spring. No spacer will be a little better ride, but will sag more before getting any benefits from the helper springs.
Curious what air pressure you keep in the tires when towing? I have the same KO2's on my Silvarado. The door sticker on the truck says 35lbs per tire while the max load pressure printed on the tire is 65lbs.
Mine were load range D if I remember correctly and I think I used to run 45psi, more in the rear when loaded. You can experiment with it by trying the chalk test to dual in where you want to be.
Most of what I’ve read about Timbrens eluded that the ride would be pretty rough. On the same token, I used to drive a work truck with air bags and it was fairly harsh when there was enough air in them to support the extra payload. I also liked the simplicity of the SumoSprings and know someone who uses them on an RV with good results so I thought I’d give them a shot.
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I am trying to figure out where the heck this at. it's so familiar to me... Looks up near Berwick Pa...
@@thekingsilverado9004 nope, wrong side of the state.
@@stuffyoucando2 I am all over the State... State Contractor.. I know I have been there... Reasons I ask where it's ask... Memory is as faulty WDC has ever been... OK.. I have been all over Pa & NY okay not so much Jersey the place makes my hair stand up in Jersey...
Well that's what I needed to know, considering my wife packs for the apocalypse for a weekend camping trip this will help a lot..
And yes they did help especially with a full fresh tank. But in my case I do feel them when emply on average bumps but nothing too bad considering they are 1/2 inch from touching the axle.
Ditch those OEM rear shocks for a set of the yellow bilstein 4600's, you'll be glad you did.
Do they ride better or what? My 2018 F150 Max Tow rides like a hay wagon. Its terrible. Searching for ways to make the ride smoother.
I have a 2 inch lift should I be getting the 5100?
thank you for the review and your business!
The ride will be the same except for big bumps, that will cause some decent bucking. My experience was with the black springs which are a little harder.
I assume you mean an unloaded ride will be the same. It really depends on how close to the axle the spring is, which can be changed depending on if the provided spacer is used. In my case, I used the spacer, which put the spring very close to the axle, even unloaded. The spring contacts the axle during just about any suspension travel in that case, leading to a harsher ride. I didn't experience "bucking" though, which might be because you used the heavier duty springs. I considered getting those, but ultimately decided the blue ones would be more what I was looking for. Thanks for watching!
Very Helpful. Thanks. Would have liked to know what your unladen gap was between Summo spring and the axle.
In my follow up video you can see that in my case, the spring was just touching the axle, but I had a cap on this truck as well, and I also had the spacer that the manufacturer provides installed. If I had left that out I would’ve had about a one inch gap. Here’s the link to that video: th-cam.com/video/d_gaPH8qYyw/w-d-xo.html
@@stuffyoucando2
Thanks very much. I think I'm going to go this route for my F150. Appreciate your contributions and reply.
Thanks for watching!
Good video, I went with Timbren SES on my 2020 F150 due to the bottom bracket they have. The risk of rubbing or pinching a brake line with the sumos worried me. The SES is progressive like Sumo, unloaded truck rides great.
Thanks. I didn’t notice any concerns with brake lines on mine, where did you see/hear that?
@@stuffyoucando2 I have lines on the axle that are very close to where the spring would contact. Might be different on the 2015 to 2020 F150's
@@outdoorsisbetter4u399 gotcha, maybe it is, I’m not sure. There are definitely some brake differences, at least on the electric parking brake equipped trucks.
@@stuffyoucando2 I'm no pro, but I just put up a video. I think you are right, must be E brake lines th-cam.com/video/Gx_ggACXawQ/w-d-xo.html
With a 750lb TW the WD hitch should be all that's needed to level both the trailer & TV, (BOTH must be level to mitigate trailer sway). I get a kick that none of these 'reviews' include CAT weights. (the 'actual' load) on the axles & tires. Do you have the CAT weights of both the TV alone loaded for camping, the trailer alone loaded, and then hitched with and without WD set? That is really the best way to determine if the rig is balanced properly and that you are within the axle & tire load ratings. (something a lot of folks ignore) .
Thanks for your video...sorry if you already answered this question. I just installed SumoSprings and my concern is that the bottom of the new spring/pad/block now rests on the factory stop without any load on the truck. Should there be a gap? The factory spring/pad/block had about a 3-4 inch gap which was why I thought I needed the sumo. Thanks!
If you installed the spacer that’s provided you can remove that and you’ll get the spring an inch shorter. It’s not a problem if it touches, the ride will be a little stiffer because of it though.
Installed on my 2018 raptor. I used no spacer and cut the bottom ring off. It would hit when driving messing up my ride. With cutting the bottom ring off ride is perfect. Only lost 1 inch in sag till then hit the axle.
When you say bottom ring, you mean cut off a chunk of the material and the bottom indented area?
I had a similar problem, I decided to buy a set of the softer blue springs made for trailers, they are an inch shorter giving 2" of free ride before engagement. You can swap them back and forth with your long blue or black springs in less than 5 minutes without jacking the truck up. Costs another 250...that's the downside
When the truck is unloaded and without trailer, are the Sumo springs touching the axle? Do the springs affect the ride when unloaded? Thanks.
On mine, the springs just barely touch the axle because I have the optional 1" spacer installed and a cap on my truck. The ride doesn't feel too much different, but I'd say it's a little stiffer than before without a load on it. If you install these and leave the spacer out, there would need to be more travel before the springs would touch, so the ride should be the same as stock when unloaded.
Great video. I live in Texas now, but born and raised in PA; looks like footage from back in the Keystone??
Thanks, yep, in PA.
Thanks for sharing the video. I really didn't have an idea of how to take off the bump stop. Your video helped, thanks
I just need to find out what size it is.
Glad it was helpful, I can’t recall the size off the top of my head, but it’d be simple to figure out by crawling underneath.
My question is did the height in the back of the truck change when not loaded and with the sumo springs installed? I have a tundra that I’m thinking about putting these on but I don’t want the back of my truck sitting any higher than it is now when it’s not loaded. I don’t like the front of the truck sagging look haha.
No, the springs do not lift the truck beyond the factory height. I have the 1” spacer installed that comes with the kit and it still doesn’t raise it. Leaving out the spacer would leave even more of a gap between the spring and axle.
Ok thanks for the reply man!!
What's your opinion of these Sumosprings now that you've been using them for a while now? Has the ride changed while unloaded in any good or bad way?
You can check out part 2 of this review here:
SumoSprings Truck Helper Spring Review Part 2 - Impressions After Towing
th-cam.com/video/d_gaPH8qYyw/w-d-xo.html
What weight capacity sumo spring did you install? 1000, 1500, etc?
These are the 1000lb version.
Now put the sumo springs on the camper itself! Then you will see the change it how the camper handles.
Curious...When towing a trailer like you have, you should be using a weight distributing hitch. Ford actually requires it for any trailers over 5k#. I’m curious if you are using weight distribution, and if you are, did you have to readjust it after installing these.
Currently I get zero sway, my truck rides with my trailer at the same height as when it’s unloaded when using the weight distribution. However I do have a ‘softness’ in my truck when towing. I don’t have heavy duty tires (which will help with stiffer sidewalls) but was looking for a something that might help in the mean time.
Yes I do use a WDH, and I mentioned in the video that SumoSprings are not a substitute for a WDH. As for readjustment, I did go through the set up procedure after the install as it did impact how the truck sat with the trailer on it. In fact, it’s a good practice to do the set up each time as the trailer tongue weight may differ depending on the trailer cargo, such as if the water tanks are full or empty. Thanks for watching!
Where are you at bro? I grew up in Beaver County back in the 70s,looks familiar!
Not far, westmoreland county.
@@stuffyoucando2 I work for Tenaska power plant in Texas. Tenaska built a large gas burner power plant in Westmoreland County
@@923mercury yes, I know the plant you mean, near Smithton.
Did you look at these vs airbags and the other options? How is the ride quality?
I liked the simplicity of these over bags. I considered Timbrens as well but after reading other reviews decided to give these a try. The ride is stiffer, but I’ll note I had the spacer installed with allows less travel before the spring touches the axle. Without the spacer would be a little better, but it’s not unbearable, just noticeable.
Just installed them and unfortunately I still feel a hard bump here and there. Maybe I’ll give it more time
What do you mean hard bump?
Are you also using stabilizer bars on your hitch? I plan on using both but I would like your thoughts
Reese weight distribution hitch with sway control.
Tack weld the nut on your jack and run it up and down with a cordless impact or drill.
No…
Are you happy with the 1000lb sumospring or do you think you should have gone with the 1500lb? My trailer has similar hitch weight as yours with your cap. Is your hitch weight listed dry or actual?
I’ve been happy with the 1000lb springs with what I tow.
How did you get the spring tight when installing ? Mine wants to spin as I try to tighten it. I’m using the spacer with the spring. Thanks.
@@alexhendrickson6124 I struggled a little with that too if you can tell in the video. You just need to keep a good grip on the spring while tightening the bolt.
Sitting there with nothing hooked up was the ride height the same as factory or is it higher in the back?
Same as factory since the spring does not touch the axle until you put enough weight in the bed.
@@stuffyoucando2 awsome thanks
what made you determine to put in the spacer?
It comes down to how much you want the suspension to travel before the axle touches the spring. No spacer will be a little better ride, but will sag more before getting any benefits from the helper springs.
Curious what air pressure you keep in the tires when towing? I have the same KO2's on my Silvarado. The door sticker on the truck says 35lbs per tire while the max load pressure printed on the tire is 65lbs.
Mine were load range D if I remember correctly and I think I used to run 45psi, more in the rear when loaded. You can experiment with it by trying the chalk test to dual in where you want to be.
would be nice to see it installed under truck
At 4:55, it literally shows it installed under the truck. What more are you looking to see?
Why did you go with sumosprings instead of Airbags or Timbrens?
Most of what I’ve read about Timbrens eluded that the ride would be pretty rough. On the same token, I used to drive a work truck with air bags and it was fairly harsh when there was enough air in them to support the extra payload. I also liked the simplicity of the SumoSprings and know someone who uses them on an RV with good results so I thought I’d give them a shot.
You will fill the difference when you drive at the corner...
Can you post the link for this kit?
What vehicle do you have, these are vehicle specific, not universal.
Guess your shocks wont be doing their job with those in the way.
Guess you’re assuming the suspension no longer moves then?
Impact wrench
Biggest scam on truck market. Bought a set one trip the materials collapse and truck went back to where it was. Don't buy them
You should provide details on the truck, which model springs you bought, and the amount of weight you were putting on the truck.