Your videos have been extremely helpful in understanding the flooding and areas that were most affected. That area has been my home for 25 years. The lives of friends, acquaintances & neighbors have been forever changed. May God give them strength.
I’m an Asheville resident and was already a follower before Helene, but Geologist Philip Prince has been the man for the moment when it comes to making sense of why our landscape became such a hellscape during the storm. Thank you for continuing to add detail to the picture.
I moved from Montana into Western North Carolina 6 years ago and have been attempting to understand the topography/geology of the region. Your series have been instrumental in giving me a greater understanding of the home I have chosen. In coming East, my 1st choice was Asheville but due to various circumstances I've ended in Morganton and have been forever thankful. I feel for the folks further west. Again, thank your for your series!
Not one given to hyperbole, but your explanations are simply the best I've found to gain understanding of what happened and why. And your MSPaint skills very impressive. Thank you.
Thanks for making these videos. I was a subscriber before Helene because of my layman’s interest in geology. And as somebody who’s never been to western NC, your videos and drawings on these tragic floods really help show why these floods were so catastrophic in these areas.
People don't realize how close WNC actually is to the ocean. Whenever we wanted to go to the ocean from anywhere in the area we always went to Folly Beach, SC, next to Charleston. It was a 4.5 hour drive. If we wanted to go to the Outer Banks on the Eastern seaboard of NC it was about a 7 hour drive each way! So imagine driving from Marshall, NC all the way down to the ocean is just 4.5 hour drive. Helene didn't need to drive. It just pulled ALL OF THAT WATER, crested the highest ridges and duuuuummmmped all of that water into the highest peaks and lowest valleys. The original storm was one thing. Once the water made it's way down from the ridges it was madness. Add to that the rain we already had and the debris flows and it was a catastrophe. People claiming it's man made is just nonsense. I get their disbelief, because we've always been the place everyone in the South and Southeast escape hurricanes. I would be going about my day and suddenly downtown was FULL of out of town plates and finally we would all look around and realize, "Oh, there must be a hurricane." Mid week is a weird time to suddenly see tourists pour in. We would look around and figure out where the most plates were from and base it on that until we could grab a newspaper to see what was going on. (That dates me, doesn't it? Yah, pre Internet, I know)
You do a great job of explaining the interaction of topography and weather to create an event like Helene. Your knowledge of the rivers of this part of western North Carolina is also impressive.
Thanks for doing this one! I remember being one who asked for it. I pulled out a good old relief map of the Knoxville quadrant to illustrate to my daughter (tactile) how this event happened. Your videos are awesome!
I live in Blantyre, Transylvania County, about 1 mile from the French Broad River. That river floods regularly with frontal passages, thunderstorms, but never has it ever turned my area into a lake the way it did 9/27. I’m higher than flood stage, some aren’t…I had tree damage to my house, I am lucky as many lost everything to these rivers. It also doesn’t help matters that county commissioners routinely allow construction in flood plains, all in the name of the all mighty dollar.
Those dollars mean tax revenue. We all take calculated risks that fail catastrophically at times. There is probably a vocal contingent of tax payers that want more revenue for public works. Are you part of the governing committee that makes these decisions or just an unaffected critic from afar? Why not become involved and let the governing bodies learn from your expert opinions?
@@gottasay4766 Hi - looks like the OP is affected and I’m an affected critic too. Construction tends to come from outside developers and public comments on these projects are usually so well hidden since the county obviously wants the $, we have no real way to change the course of the development.
@@gottasay4766the tediousness of government and council meetings is something that I can’t stand .. law is like sausage .. if you like it … you don’t want to see it getting made
@@ohheyitskevinc If you stay involved in your community, you’ll know what is going on in you area.Your choice. I live 1000 miles away from Helene damaged area but I live in a coastal state. If my state prohibited beachfront properties, there goes tourism and then there goes the state. I strongly disagree with your statement that “outside” developers are responsible for development. Most development has local interest or local support or local approval or local funding.. My mother always said “If you like the view, you better buy it, otherwise it will be gone.” Welcome to America.
Your videos always give me a sense of understanding and I think so many of us in this expanded area of WNC, need to make sense of this storm. It was unbelievable to witness and even more so to see the devastation it left behind. We will be trying to make sense of all of this for years to come no doubt. You are a great part in helping us to understand. Thank you!
Enjoyed. I drive a cab part time in Asheville. As a semiretired guy, I have driven alongside or over every river you mentioned, including out West of Brevard, where the French Broad looks more like the Swananowa when docile. We have a contract with Mission Hospital that can send us a 100 miles away or more. My only recomendation is to explain the color coding in the maps. I'm sure I got it right, but as a first time observer, it was not explicit as to what colors meant exactly what.
Thanks for the video. I grew up in Botany Woods, which Driftwood Ct is part of. My parents still live in the neighborhood and I saw a glimpse of the destruction when I drove by the entrance to Riverbend Dr, the other street in the neighborhood on the Swannanoa River, a week after but the satellite image of the area from before and after really gives a scale to the destruction.
Rural Burke Co resident. I have absolutely fallen in love with this channel over the last month. I have subscribed, and i have a great fascination with geology. Request: deep dive into Linville Gorge.....please?
I have learned so much from you in the last month. Thank you! I have also shared a LOT of info and clips with my sin and students. Many do find it interesting, but they have also laughed and teased me about my excitement and nerding out. They ask, "Why didn't you become a geologist?" Great question! If only we had more time.😊 Anyway, I appreciate this do much Thanks again!
It's all about the terrain and population distribution. Johnson City Tennessee got the same amount of rain as Asheville North Carolina, yet Johnson City had minimal damage. Few people are in the lower elevations of the Appalachian Highlands here and the water pretty much just drained away.
Grateful for that initial over view of the placement of these valley and river systems within North America. Did notice that on some of the earlier videos that there was a slight presumption that folks, generally, would know where some of these place names were located. Also that, when the maps & models were rotated, it's still useful to know the orientation without a North arrow on the display. In the grand scheme it's just a minor point. Keep up these great explanations (the lectures pre-storm are also informative)
This is top notch content. Like a college lecture. Has me absolutely spellbound. I don't think it's necessarily your specialty but can you do a video covering the role that dams play in these river systems? There seems to be a lot of rather insidious misinformation out there saying that much of the flooding is because of dams, blaming it on the TVA, Duke Energy, the Asheville water district, etc. But when I look at the facts as I am able to discern, it seems that this is the opposite of the truth: in nearly every case where there is a dam, the flooding and destruction from Helene was much less severe downstream of the dam than what is seen upstream.
I live in Louisiana and am fascinated by geology, especially since the only rocks we have near New Orleans have been trucked in and purchased. You are an excellent teacher
Thank you so much for these videos. You are an excellent teacher and make me wish I had become a geologist. So informative to explain what devastation happened to my wonderful state.
It didn't help that we'd been unseasonably dry most of the summer. Then we got a bunch of rain earlier that week that softened everything up before Helene even got here.
9:36 The "funnel" effect is why New Orleans flooded so badly in Katrina, when Katrina hit Waveland in Mississipi, and not New Orleans directly. There was a shipping channel that focused the storm surge like a rifle barrel, it is called the MRGO. 9:36 this hydrology was argued in federal court, and the USACE, who cut the ship Channel, was found liable
Thank you very informative watching from west Wales some similar topography maybe not quite the same scale. The devastation is hard to fathom. Be well.
Is it true that when the French Broad is so high, it acts like a dam to the Swannanoa river and backs it up even more inundating Biltmore Village area?
is there anyone like you doing topography of the pnw videos similar to this? cause i'd love to follow them too. this has been such a great education you're giving us.
just glimpsing at the area i would have guessed asheville area would drain to the atlantic. so i guess the french broad must have existed before the appalacian mountain building even began? and as the mountains grew it just countinued. cutting through them? otherwise the area would have drained into the atlantic? no?
With all of the Appalachian, Great Smoky Mountains, et al having such massive mountains, ridges, ravines, and valleys, there is concentrated watersheds. All of these higher angles of repose, with unstable organic layers atop the bedrock, have landslides of forests and soil into the rivers - much like a modern volcanic lahar of mud and debris flash flood. All of these ravines adding in their waters (instead of getting absorbed into the soil) these waters create their own mini-floodings that feed a positive feedback cycle of increased multiple ravines adding in their portions of flash floods, creating massive volumes of additional flash floods and flooding - that are beyond anything 100-year cycle, 500-year cycle, or a 1000-year cycle.
Another informative video, but still somewhat confused. I think part of it is that I'm not visualizing some of the locations on the map, and I'm also unable to update things past 08/20/23 on Earth.
Did I hear you correctly? You can't cal the planar part of the landscape that floods a "floodplain" for fear of litigation? How is that going to help the public understanding of Earth Processes?
The north fork reservoir of the swannanoa did not release enough water before the storm that’s what swannanoa got pounded. It dumped too much all at once
@@TheGeoModels TVA has planned 13 dams further upstream on the French Broad and its tributaries, but local opposition shut it down in the 70's. I'm sure I would have sided with the locals because the lakes would have covered beautiful and well loved valleys. However, it's likely that the dams would have protected much of this area, just like they saved Knoxville and Chattanooga during this storm.
your asking why the flooding? if you lived in the area you would have known that for 3 days prior to Helene there were rains, the ground had already been saturated. Not hard to understand.
@@patriciablue2739 No lithium here, and if there were, someone would have mined. Google Search "Foote Mine" or "tin-spodumene belt" to read about it. The lithium is out in the Piedmont, in rocks very different from the ones under the French Broad. The quartz/silica mines are around spruce pine, and are associated with the spruce pine pegmatite district.
Not unless you consider that Exxon Mobil in Baton Rouge, and all the oil refineries changing the climate, are also cloud seeding the atmosphere with tons and tons of Particulate. But I don't think that's what you.mean
"This is the result of opening the top damn and keeping the others closed purposely to flood these areas as the system is meant to open the top and continue to open the others but they only opened one until everything flooded because when the water they let through hit the second one it spread out because it was closed and the water has no other way to go which caused it to over flow and continue to spread and get worse as it encountered every closed damn on the way down flooding out these towns which is also why many of the small creeks and streams are not destroyed but had it been rain it would of also destroyed all creek beds as well as the river beds had it been the rain the creek beds coming down the mountain would have been destroyed and widened and most of the creek beds didn't swell or get any damage only the river channels . Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will but look at the springs coming down the mountain are their sides destroyed like the river......"- Christine Taylor
"WAKE UP CALL:” imagine When raining Creeks fill W/water, we all witnessed The natural rise of Creekwater River water all our lives during snow melts, thunderstorms, etc. what causes 10 foot surges?” increase in depth of that water every 4 hours till A Maximum depth, 50ft is it achieved could the cause .. opening floodgates on four different dams or more, and or including several gates at a time on extremely large reservoirs which do exist north of this destruction be the reason for those surges that everybody testified in the region, it occurred specifically, North Carolina and Tennessee what increased that water they open the next gates you get another surge and an additional 10 feet of water the rivers already full. This is the reality of what happened. There’s no other reason for surge of that proportion in a natural rain in 60+ years on this earth, I’ve never witnessed such a surge until this storm surge i’m top of mountains is also the causes for the extreme displacement of anchored buildings to be washed off their foundations high waters have never done that only a surge can do that and once you got 40 feet of water full of every type of board wood toy, canned goods, bed, frames, cars, tractors, trucks, trailers, wagons, campers, propane, tanks, concrete foundation, blocks, blacktop, and concretebicycles, motorcycles , gas cans, rocks, trees with the roots and tact. Would that not also be the cause of the gorge left in its wake in excess of 20 feet and some locations deeper somethings not adding up and somebody’s lying and if that’s the case that would explain for no government help and a Media blackout in order to take the attention off of what really happened as far as I’m concerned all guilty parties would do everything and anything to make sure the secret didn’t get out & exposed & complete lack of empathy for human life and media attention creating another problem that the people pulling those levers in those locals not only change the land geographically permanently, but genocide their own people in their own communities neighbors kin folk strangers and anyone in their wake & are directly responsible & the ones that should be under the microscope seen as the guiltiest & 30 people could pull off a catastrophe this large, very very easily North Carolina and Tennessee has some very evil tratiors No living among them who will kill hundreds without the blink of an eye, and now that they done it they’ll have no problem repeating on a larger scale. These are dangerous. People must be found out and dealt with on an extreme level. there’s no safety in those communities until that is resolved." - Jeff Muzinoski
"This is the result of opening the top damn and keeping the others closed purposely to flood these areas as the system is meant to open the top and continue to open the others but they only opened one until everything flooded because when the water they let through hit the second one it spread out because it was closed and the water has no other way to go which caused it to over flow and continue to spread and get worse as it encountered every closed damn on the way down flooding out these towns which is also why many of the small creeks and streams are not destroyed but had it been rain it would of also destroyed all creek beds as well as the river beds had it been the rain the creek beds coming down the mountain would have been destroyed and widened and most of the creek beds didn't swell or get any damage only the river channels . Call me a conspiracy theories if you will but look at the springs coming down the mountain are their sides destroyed like the river......"- Christine Taylor
"Small creeks and streams are not destroyed" tell that to my neighbor whose tiny stream turned into a mudslide and destroyed their house. Tell that to everyone up Garren Creek who had everything washed out and there's literally not a dam here to hold or release water. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about - save this b.s. for facebook
There are dams above the Green River Gorge (famous whitewater destination) and Cove near Saluda, N.C. That area was devastated as well. The river has dramatically changed the surrounding landscape.
Your videos have been extremely helpful in understanding the flooding and areas that were most affected. That area has been my home for 25 years. The lives of friends, acquaintances & neighbors have been forever changed. May God give them strength.
I’m an Asheville resident and was already a follower before Helene, but Geologist Philip Prince has been the man for the moment when it comes to making sense of why our landscape became such a hellscape during the storm. Thank you for continuing to add detail to the picture.
We are sending positive energy your way.🙏🏽
Me too. This is really fascinating to me.
I hear Ya' ! :)
I moved from Montana into Western North Carolina 6 years ago and have been attempting to understand the topography/geology of the region. Your series have been instrumental in giving me a greater understanding of the home I have chosen. In coming East, my 1st choice was Asheville but due to various circumstances I've ended in Morganton and have been forever thankful. I feel for the folks further west. Again, thank your for your series!
Congrats on that move. I can apprecaite your angle and move from there (eg Rocky Mtn states).
Not one given to hyperbole, but your explanations are simply the best I've found to gain understanding of what happened and why. And your MSPaint skills very impressive. Thank you.
Thanks for making these videos. I was a subscriber before Helene because of my layman’s interest in geology. And as somebody who’s never been to western NC, your videos and drawings on these tragic floods really help show why these floods were so catastrophic in these areas.
thank you
Superb, erudite and clinical, the World is very lucky to have such a 'teacher', thank you!
Looking forward to watching! Again, your work is incredible for the layperson! Thank you sir
Thank you. Hope you find this one interesting.
Doctor Phillip, you are a treasure! Thank you!
I came here to say something like this
thanks again for these videos. the zoomed out look helps me to more wrap my head around things. much appreciated.
People don't realize how close WNC actually is to the ocean. Whenever we wanted to go to the ocean from anywhere in the area we always went to Folly Beach, SC, next to Charleston.
It was a 4.5 hour drive.
If we wanted to go to the Outer Banks on the Eastern seaboard of NC it was about a 7 hour drive each way!
So imagine driving from Marshall, NC all the way down to the ocean is just 4.5 hour drive. Helene didn't need to drive. It just pulled ALL OF THAT WATER, crested the highest ridges and duuuuummmmped all of that water into the highest peaks and lowest valleys.
The original storm was one thing. Once the water made it's way down from the ridges it was madness.
Add to that the rain we already had and the debris flows and it was a catastrophe.
People claiming it's man made is just nonsense.
I get their disbelief, because we've always been the place everyone in the South and Southeast escape hurricanes. I would be going about my day and suddenly downtown was FULL of out of town plates and finally we would all look around and realize, "Oh, there must be a hurricane." Mid week is a weird time to suddenly see tourists pour in. We would look around and figure out where the most plates were from and base it on that until we could grab a newspaper to see what was going on.
(That dates me, doesn't it? Yah, pre Internet, I know)
You do a great job of explaining the interaction of topography and weather to create an event like Helene. Your knowledge of the rivers of this part of western North Carolina is also impressive.
I forgot to mention that thanks to your videos, I received an A+ on my last imaginary Geo exam 😂 lol
Now you're talking!
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Another crystal clear explanation of the events driven by terrific charts and overlays. Thanks.
Thanks for doing this one! I remember being one who asked for it. I pulled out a good old relief map of the Knoxville quadrant to illustrate to my daughter (tactile) how this event happened. Your videos are awesome!
I live in Blantyre, Transylvania County, about 1 mile from the French Broad River. That river floods regularly with frontal passages, thunderstorms, but never has it ever turned my area into a lake the way it did 9/27. I’m higher than flood stage, some aren’t…I had tree damage to my house, I am lucky as many lost everything to these rivers. It also doesn’t help matters that county commissioners routinely allow construction in flood plains, all in the name of the all mighty dollar.
Those dollars mean tax revenue. We all take calculated risks that fail catastrophically at times. There is probably a vocal contingent of tax payers that want more revenue for public works. Are you part of the governing committee that makes these decisions or just an unaffected critic from afar? Why not become involved and let the governing bodies learn from your expert opinions?
@@gottasay4766 Hi - looks like the OP is affected and I’m an affected critic too. Construction tends to come from outside developers and public comments on these projects are usually so well hidden since the county obviously wants the $, we have no real way to change the course of the development.
@@gottasay4766 True, true, true! Thanks for saying it.
@@gottasay4766the tediousness of government and council meetings is something that I can’t stand .. law is like sausage .. if you like it … you don’t want to see it getting made
@@ohheyitskevinc If you stay involved in your community, you’ll know what is going on in you area.Your choice. I live 1000 miles away from Helene damaged area but I live in a coastal state. If my state prohibited beachfront properties, there goes tourism and then there goes the state. I strongly disagree with your statement that “outside” developers are responsible for development. Most development has local interest or local support or local approval or local funding.. My mother always said “If you like the view, you better buy it, otherwise it will be gone.” Welcome to America.
Your videos always give me a sense of understanding and I think so many of us in this expanded area of WNC, need to make sense of this storm. It was unbelievable to witness and even more so to see the devastation it left behind. We will be trying to make sense of all of this for years to come no doubt. You are a great part in helping us to understand. Thank you!
Always well-done and thought-provoking!
Thank you so very much for these invaluable videos.
Another good presentation, Thank You. Having 3 D Google Earth and lidar imagery, really helps put it all into perspective
Thank you for another excellent explanation of what occurred.
Enjoyed. I drive a cab part time in Asheville. As a semiretired guy, I have driven alongside or over every river you mentioned, including out West of Brevard, where the French Broad looks more like the Swananowa when docile. We have a contract with Mission Hospital that can send us a 100 miles away or more. My only recomendation is to explain the color coding in the maps. I'm sure I got it right, but as a first time observer, it was not explicit as to what colors meant exactly what.
yeah I usually do that…thought I did here. always glad these videos get to people who are actually there.
Thanks for the video. I grew up in Botany Woods, which Driftwood Ct is part of. My parents still live in the neighborhood and I saw a glimpse of the destruction when I drove by the entrance to Riverbend Dr, the other street in the neighborhood on the Swannanoa River, a week after but the satellite image of the area from before and after really gives a scale to the destruction.
Excellent video. Clear explanations and illustrations, very informative. Thank you for sharing!
You are a gem and we thank you for doing these! THANK YOU❤❤❤❤❤❤
Rural Burke Co resident. I have absolutely fallen in love with this channel over the last month. I have subscribed, and i have a great fascination with geology.
Request: deep dive into Linville Gorge.....please?
I have learned so much from you in the last month. Thank you!
I have also shared a LOT of info and clips with my sin and students. Many do find it interesting, but they have also laughed and teased me about my excitement and nerding out. They ask, "Why didn't you become a geologist?" Great question! If only we had more time.😊
Anyway, I appreciate this do much Thanks again!
It's all about the terrain and population distribution. Johnson City Tennessee got the same amount of rain as Asheville North Carolina, yet Johnson City had minimal damage. Few people are in the lower elevations of the Appalachian Highlands here and the water pretty much just drained away.
Thank you for your great explanations. Makes it easier to understand the interworkings of earth and water. Talk about super powers!!!
Grateful for that initial over view of the placement of these valley and river systems within North America.
Did notice that on some of the earlier videos that there was a slight presumption that folks, generally, would know where some of these place names were located. Also that, when the maps & models were rotated, it's still useful to know the orientation without a North arrow on the display.
In the grand scheme it's just a minor point.
Keep up these great explanations (the lectures pre-storm are also informative)
Great explanation. Thank you.
I’m looking forward to watching this. I live a few miles from the French Broad River in Madison County.
This is top notch content. Like a college lecture. Has me absolutely spellbound.
I don't think it's necessarily your specialty but can you do a video covering the role that dams play in these river systems?
There seems to be a lot of rather insidious misinformation out there saying that much of the flooding is because of dams, blaming it on the TVA, Duke Energy, the Asheville water district, etc. But when I look at the facts as I am able to discern, it seems that this is the opposite of the truth: in nearly every case where there is a dam, the flooding and destruction from Helene was much less severe downstream of the dam than what is seen upstream.
yep will do. you are correct; they are still standing and did pad the floor out quite a bit.
I live in Louisiana and am fascinated by geology, especially since the only rocks we have near New Orleans have been trucked in and purchased. You are an excellent teacher
Thanks a lot for all the great videos. So glad I found your channel.
Love your videos! Thank you. ❤
I'm from Ottawa Canada, thank you for all your content
Good Job Phillip!
Thank you so much for these videos. You are an excellent teacher and make me wish I had become a geologist. So informative to explain what devastation happened to my wonderful state.
Excellent-- This land has seen other massive floods. What's the history of those? What shaped this land?
It didn't help that we'd been unseasonably dry most of the summer. Then we got a bunch of rain earlier that week that softened everything up before Helene even got here.
9:36 The "funnel" effect is why New Orleans flooded so badly in Katrina, when Katrina hit Waveland in Mississipi, and not New Orleans directly. There was a shipping channel that focused the storm surge like a rifle barrel, it is called the MRGO. 9:36 this hydrology was argued in federal court, and the USACE, who cut the ship Channel, was found liable
Fascinating. I wish every homeowner and residents in that area could see this.
Thank you very informative watching from west Wales some similar topography maybe not quite the same scale. The devastation is hard to fathom. Be well.
Is it true that when the French Broad is so high, it acts like a dam to the Swannanoa river and backs it up even more inundating Biltmore Village area?
It would be well outside your usual content, but with your MS Paint skills, I'd love to see a video where you play Drawful or Gartic Phone.
is there anyone like you doing topography of the pnw videos similar to this? cause i'd love to follow them too. this has been such a great education you're giving us.
Before you buy land and build a home, please know how the water flows. Some land and homes are going to flood often. A flooded home is devalued.
Thank you sir for a most informative video.
just glimpsing at the area i would have guessed asheville area would drain to the atlantic. so i guess the french broad must have existed before the appalacian mountain building even began? and as the mountains grew it just countinued. cutting through them? otherwise the area would have drained into the atlantic? no?
Thank you so much!!!! Green river "-)
What happened with the Blue Ridge Parkway? Is it intact and driveable? (One of my favorite destinations.)
at least 33 landslides, so quite a bit of it is closed
this is such wonderful information to know
Rock On!! 🤘🏼Thanks🙏🏼
Thank you! ✨
You are going to get me a divorce when I discover a new Geo Models at 11:00 p.m. and play it in bed when I don't have earbuds. Her is not amused.
dangerous!
18:44 You forgot to put Zealandia and Seelie Castles in your drawing 😊
Man…so much to think about if you’re going to move anywhere. Especially if you want to live in the mountains.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the French Broad the oldest river in the western hemisphere? and how old is it approximately?
260-325 million years old
@ so it predates the Appalachians themselves.
With all of the Appalachian, Great Smoky Mountains, et al having such massive mountains, ridges, ravines, and valleys, there is concentrated watersheds. All of these higher angles of repose, with unstable organic layers atop the bedrock, have landslides of forests and soil into the rivers - much like a modern volcanic lahar of mud and debris flash flood. All of these ravines adding in their waters (instead of getting absorbed into the soil) these waters create their own mini-floodings that feed a positive feedback cycle of increased multiple ravines adding in their portions of flash floods, creating massive volumes of additional flash floods and flooding - that are beyond anything 100-year cycle, 500-year cycle, or a 1000-year cycle.
Another informative video, but still somewhat confused. I think part of it is that I'm not visualizing some of the locations on the map, and I'm also unable to update things past 08/20/23 on Earth.
I hope they can afford to give the river more space.
Did I hear you correctly? You can't cal the planar part of the landscape that floods a "floodplain" for fear of litigation? How is that going to help the public understanding of Earth Processes?
So the rivers are flowing north - west ? Direction of flow is important.
it flows to knoxville
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The north fork reservoir of the swannanoa did not release enough water before the storm that’s what swannanoa got pounded. It dumped too much all at once
The north fork held, it has an automatic spillway, if it had failed it would have caused even more destruction.
Is that the one they opened the flood gate on?
@@everlastinglife5978 It opened itself as designed, its a mechanical system
You need to cover the management of the floods downstream in the Tennessee River.
might try that in the river overview video. The amount of flood that went into Douglas Lake is incredible.
I saw video with a TVA man interviewed and basically Lake Douglas was already drawn down for the season and it absorbed the whole flood.
@@waterlevelroute It's amazing it can do that. The Pigeon, French Broad, and Nolichucky all go there. The volume of water is outrageous.
@@TheGeoModels TVA has planned 13 dams further upstream on the French Broad and its tributaries, but local opposition shut it down in the 70's. I'm sure I would have sided with the locals because the lakes would have covered beautiful and well loved valleys. However, it's likely that the dams would have protected much of this area, just like they saved Knoxville and Chattanooga during this storm.
Are you sure you’re not from Philadelphia?
your asking why the flooding? if you lived in the area you would have known that for 3 days prior to Helene there were rains, the ground had already been saturated. Not hard to understand.
discussed in video!
Marvelous....ly tragic...hindsight huh....?
Canno comprehend why there are structures in the flood planes. 100 year floodline not being respected?
Nobody understands what a flood plain actually is. Everything becomes a "flood plain" after 30" of rain.
CC would be nice.
like closed caption? I think it should be available eventually...TH-cam ought to process that up.
CC takes sometime to get it done. I’m watching 20 minutes after posting and it’s know available
@@TheGeoModels :ty
I have been to the Blue Ridge Mountains many times and nobody explained any of this before.
Those overlays eat memory like a virus! I tried to add a few overlays and crashed Google Earth.
build on a flood plain and sooner or later you are getting flooded.
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Do you study the mineral deposits in that area?
Not specifically, but I can comment on them, I suppose...what in particular?
@@TheGeoModels lithium, quartz
Lithium and the old epa areas
@@patriciablue2739 No lithium here, and if there were, someone would have mined. Google Search "Foote Mine" or "tin-spodumene belt" to read about it. The lithium is out in the Piedmont, in rocks very different from the ones under the French Broad. The quartz/silica mines are around spruce pine, and are associated with the spruce pine pegmatite district.
Phillip what are your thoughts on Helene being manipulated. If not by cloud seeding ?
Nope
Not unless you consider that Exxon Mobil in Baton Rouge, and all the oil refineries changing the climate, are also cloud seeding the atmosphere with tons and tons of Particulate. But I don't think that's what you.mean
"This is the result of opening the top damn and keeping the others closed purposely to flood these areas as the system is meant to open the top and continue to open the others but they only opened one until everything flooded because when the water they let through hit the second one it spread out because it was closed and the water has no other way to go which caused it to over flow and continue to spread and get worse as it encountered every closed damn on the way down flooding out these towns which is also why many of the small creeks and streams are not destroyed but had it been rain it would of also destroyed all creek beds as well as the river beds had it been the rain the creek beds coming down the mountain would have been destroyed and widened and most of the creek beds didn't swell or get any damage only the river channels . Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will but look at the springs coming down the mountain are their sides destroyed like the river......"- Christine Taylor
I call bullshit
Did 3 dams releasing water also play a part in this?
no. they are all downstream of this
Did you correlate DUKE ENERGY dam release?
"WAKE UP CALL:” imagine
When raining Creeks fill W/water, we all witnessed
The natural rise of Creekwater River water all our lives during snow melts, thunderstorms, etc. what causes 10 foot surges?” increase in depth of that water every 4 hours till A Maximum depth, 50ft is it achieved could the cause .. opening floodgates on four different dams or more, and or including several gates at a time on extremely large reservoirs which do exist north of this destruction be the reason for those surges that everybody testified in the region, it occurred specifically, North Carolina and Tennessee what increased that water they open the next gates you get another surge and an additional 10 feet of water the rivers already full. This is the reality of what happened. There’s no other reason for surge of that proportion in a natural rain in 60+ years on this earth, I’ve never witnessed such a surge until this storm surge i’m top of mountains is also the causes for the extreme displacement of anchored buildings to be washed off their foundations high waters have never done that only a surge can do that and once you got 40 feet of water full of every type of board wood toy, canned goods, bed, frames, cars, tractors, trucks, trailers, wagons, campers, propane, tanks, concrete foundation, blocks, blacktop, and concretebicycles, motorcycles , gas cans, rocks, trees with the roots and tact. Would that not also be the cause of the gorge left in its wake in excess of 20 feet and some locations deeper somethings not adding up and somebody’s lying and if that’s the case that would explain for no government help and a Media blackout in order to take the attention off of what really happened as far as I’m concerned all guilty parties would do everything and anything to make sure the secret didn’t get out & exposed & complete lack of empathy for human life and media attention creating another problem that the people pulling those levers in those locals not only change the land geographically permanently, but genocide their own people in their own communities neighbors kin folk strangers and anyone in their wake & are directly responsible & the ones that should be under the microscope seen as the guiltiest & 30 people could pull off a catastrophe this large, very very easily North Carolina and Tennessee has some very evil tratiors No living among them who will kill hundreds without the blink of an eye, and now that they done it they’ll have no problem repeating on a larger scale. These are dangerous. People must be found out and dealt with on an extreme level. there’s no safety in those communities until that is resolved." - Jeff Muzinoski
Paranoia and suspicion are man-made, this was not done on purpose. You have not listened to this man's video. This was a Natural Disaster.
Their are no gates to open no dams on the French Broad to open
Suspicion and paranoia is a man-made thing. I will listen to meteorologist and geologist not you.
@@davidcombs8989 look up...see google earth.
I heard they opened a dam.
No
I heard it through the grapevine
I could imagine them releasing water if they thought the dam was close to failing.
"I heard they opened a dam" WHICH DAM??? stop this crap
"This is the result of opening the top damn and keeping the others closed purposely to flood these areas as the system is meant to open the top and continue to open the others but they only opened one until everything flooded because when the water they let through hit the second one it spread out because it was closed and the water has no other way to go which caused it to over flow and continue to spread and get worse as it encountered every closed damn on the way down flooding out these towns which is also why many of the small creeks and streams are not destroyed but had it been rain it would of also destroyed all creek beds as well as the river beds had it been the rain the creek beds coming down the mountain would have been destroyed and widened and most of the creek beds didn't swell or get any damage only the river channels . Call me a conspiracy theories if you will but look at the springs coming down the mountain are their sides destroyed like the river......"- Christine Taylor
No dam above these areas
The small streams and creeks WERE destroyed. I'm guessing you're not from around here and just reading stuff from the Internet.
"Small creeks and streams are not destroyed" tell that to my neighbor whose tiny stream turned into a mudslide and destroyed their house.
Tell that to everyone up Garren Creek who had everything washed out and there's literally not a dam here to hold or release water.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about - save this b.s. for facebook
There are dams above the Green River Gorge (famous whitewater destination) and Cove near Saluda, N.C. That area was devastated as well. The river has dramatically changed the surrounding landscape.
There are no dams on the French Broad River and its tributaries. TVA planned to build 13, but local opposition shut this down around 1980.