Has WARN Lost Their Mind? 16.5 Ti-s Winch
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I'm skeptical about the durability of synthetic. Sounds good on paper, but it may not endure the less than perfectly ideal lab conditions of the real World.
Glad you’re back! Enjoyed the distraction. Thanks as always!
GLAD YOU FEEL BETTER BROTHA👍
Must be that loose sticker making all that noise.
Synthetic works great. Only thing I've been using for several years now.
I think you should recreate the conditions when you destroyed the Badland and see how the Warn handles it.
I hope he does also
I’d like to see that. Also I understand if he doesn’t wanna risk having to do the install a third time :-)
Yeah he’s not gonna do it , it’s a shame too because he gets to keep bad mouthing the Badland
@@lefthandthreadz4303 the badland broke, it's not bad mouthing.
@@python3574 the badland broke due to user error , you can’t hook a winch between two immovable objects and expect something not to break, it’s just not fair to HF to get on TH-cam in front of a audience the size of Cody’s and claim the Badland “ let us down “
it’s not right .
Man with all that power draw you might just need a 3rd alternator
He wasn’t sick. He was just so distraught about not buying a warren he fell ill. Now he’s all better.
😂😂😂
Nice
If that stump is still around it sure would make a good video to pull it out with the Warn winch!
I still hold to the belief that there was an issue with installation on the APEX winch. I don't think it was mounted securely and it flexed causing the issues
I believe so as well, mine has done great and I feel even better knowing it's ⅕ the price of the warn.
except if you look at the video the only thing that moved was the winch when it broke in half
The winch didn’t fail, it’s gave 150% and didn’t stop till it destroyed its self. 12000lbs is a lot but with no limits it kept pulling till something gave. My concern with the warm is the limit switch. The capacity and function of the motor is relying on switch. Not of the instinct of the user….. scary design if you need it at 3am in a snow storm. Great looking winch though.
I had the same experience with hobo freight wenches in the past
Indeed, that is what he was complaining about prior, that the Warn kept turning off on him. That should have been enough warning already.
But didn't reel up under tension, bolt snaped prior to the ending, but he still was on the trigger.
WOW CODY!! That is one big winch! But I am afraid you might have to install a 3rd alternator to get full use of it.😁😁
Lol 😆🤣😂
🤣🤣
The only way you're going to get full use out of this wench, is if you can find a stump like that last one. I honestly don't think this wench is capable of taking that stump out either.
Agreed I think the harbor freight winch would have been fine for most guys I love Cody and his vids but I think that harbor freight winch was abused just a tad
I’ve had one for over 4 years on a f350 bucket truck and it’s been a good winch
That was one clean installation, can't wait for you to put it through the same conditions as the Harbor Freight winch . Hope you are feeling better.
Glad you're feeling better.
Have the same winch on my 19 F250. It's a beast and have never had regret saving a little longer to get it. Love your videos and appreciate it them
God bless you and your family.
i got the step down from the badlands apex (the 12000lb er). Been abusing it for months. No problems. I would like the wireless remote.
I’ve had the the 16.5ti on my 2017 f250 for 4 years now, it’s a beast! And the way it mounts gives it incredible strength in the frame of the winch and in the bumper.
I pulled out my skid steer buried over the tracks in mud. I had to anchor the truck to a tree. I had just switched to synthetic line and used a snatch block. Was blown away with the strength of the synthetic line. The winch never even broke a sweat.
Glad you’re feeling better and welcome back. I thought you were probably just taking a break after the loss of your father which would have been reasonable and understandable. But to follow up your loss with COVID just the worst. Thank you for your prayers and we will keep you in ours.
Glad your feeling better!!
Nice to see you back at it Cody.
Great looking winch, and a $3000 dollar winch on a... ? How much truck? yeah, makes sense to me.
God Bless and cheers from Tokyo!
Stu
Awesome fit! To know what size winch to get, find out how heavy the biggest Dodge around is so you can pull it dead.
Welcome back brother. Great to see you standing. Wish the best for the Loaf!
Can I just say it's good to have you back , hope you are back to full health physically and mentally ....take it easy from England
I have a 12k Warn PowerPlant winch (made in China) mainly for the air compressor on my Ram 3500. The free spool locked up because it wasn't lubricated well from the factory or sat on the shelf too long at the store. Free spool was never smooth and barely able to operate when I first got it so I didn't use it. Rain must of gotten in and rusted up and was even worse where I had to take my Warn apart to get the free spool to work again. All manufactures have their problems.
The Warn 16Ti is a mounting foot forward design which is stronger than the mounting down designs in the 12k and lighter winches. If the bumper flexes, it is likely to bend the connecting bars on the 16Ti winch but since the contactor is separate, not likely to see the same failure as the Badlands.
"Destroyed itself" also failed to properly do root management on trunck....
Thank you
Smittybilt makes a 17.5 thousand pound H2O wire rope winch it's huge works good but haven't put it through a torcher test yet. It's definitely not a warn but it only cost around 800 about a third of a warn.
You should go out an abuse this one by trying to pull out a rooted tree stump too. Make it a fair comparison ;)
It’s good to have you back Im glad your feeling better!!
Man, I'm glad you're feeling better and back. With limited disposable income, I live vicariously through you. Really enjoy your channel and appreciate the man you are. None of us are perfect but a real man knows that. An east coast guy with a thick skin!
Good to see you getting back to normal. God Bless you and your family!
Cody, I know you're not a huge fan of Carhartt. However, we just bought the Carhartt seat covers and panel organizers for our work truck fleet, and I am thoroughly impressed! I actually hinted to my wife that those would make a good Christmas gift for anyone in the trades who has leather seats in a vehicle to keep them protected against getting messed up(I just so happen to have leather seats in my Lariat) lol
That is one loud warn winch wow cody @WranglerStar
Its so good to have you back, I wish you and your family well
I work for a power company, and we have these on our smaller bucket trucks, one could rainy night I had my larger F800 bucket truck about 60 ft off the road and it was stuck and the only winch we had was on a small bucket .I pulled the smaller unit up to the curb to help hold it in place and that 16.5 pulled a 25k pound truck out of that situation.
Cody almost sounds like he had a JFK "vitamin" shot lol. Glad to see you are so energetic after being so down and out you had to take a sick WEEK! Heck Cody you hardly leave us for a day without an upload so we know you were hurting
He must have done some serious prayer. Deo Gratias for his recovery.🙏😇
I have some ocean front property for sale!
The only way you’re ever getting 16 tons of straight line pull is if your truck weighs 16 tons.
That is one beefy winch. Glad to see that you're on the mend. I do include you and your family in my prayers, but I didn't realize that you had been sick until this morning's video.
I appreciate that
Sounds like that planetary needs some grease. Sounds like my Harbor Freight winch before i took apart and greased. It's quite now.
Now to be fair go pull a stump out of the ground with it. If it can do it I'll be convinced. The noise on the thing doesn't instill confidence. Perhaps the gears just need to grind themselves together.
Is it normal for the winch to be that loud? I don't have any experience with winches, but I thought it was really noisy before you said it.
You just ended the sentence “so I can be objective” with “I love warn”. Yep. Totally objective, no preconceptions at all :P
Seriously though man, great video.
I appreciate you. Thanks for sharing your experience
I’m all about buying quality American things but my china nock off 12500 lb winch on my half ton pickup costs 1/10 of the price of a warn and has pretty much the same specs and similar guts. Granted I use it for pulling myself out and I’m not maxing the capacity out.
I really really don't like the factory battery clamps. This is why. You can't put a set of jumper cables on them. My truck have a lot more cables attached to the battery posts than yours. I could not get a good set of jumper cables to reliably clamp. If would have been better to have a large off battery terminal to mount all the high amp accessories. I finally purchased a tow truck bumper mount and wired directly to one of my batteries. I how have a set of 30' heavy gauge cables. But they were not cheap. My old jumper cables were 20' and 00 I have had them for 40+ years. Why should I have to replace something that has been working fine for years?
There are a few nice things about the new cables. The connector is polarity conscience. The ends have a tester which lights up when proper polarity. Just in case there is any question. Also you don't have a to raise the hood to get a jump going. You can connect to the dead car and then pop in the cable on the bumper so there is no chance of arcing around the battery.
Are you going to go try to pull out that same stump that destroyed the harbor freight winch? You totally abused that one. I'll be waiting.
Winches are just amazing, I remember 4x4ing with my dad in the mountains, a light snow came in and then melted. So now that steep stretch of tilted cork screw road with a cliff on one side and ditch on the other was now slick with gooey mud and slick surface below and we had to go back across it to get out of there. Luckily forested with trees along the road, my dad had to go from tree to tree to tree with that winch to get us out of there with out sliding down the cliff or getting too close to the ditch. What a boss. lol So happy to see you are doing well Cody!
Winch's get you stuck in in-accessible area just as a GPS lets you know exactly where you are when your lost..
It’s blows my mind that they can make a winch that powerful that just runs on 12volts. So crazy.
So when are you going to go out and hook it up to the same thing that destroyed the harbor frieght winch and actually see if this warn can survive??
Happy you're back to feeling better, Cody. We were all prying for you
Yea go ahead and stick that winch on that tree and see if it gets it out. As nice as a warn is. That warn won’t outlast 7 harbor freights.
I can appreciate the solid vid, no fuss, or complaining, just interesting and informative. I always give u a thumbs up, but today's thumbs up was worth it.
Y'know what? I wasn't happy with the badlands video and I left a comment to reflect that. I really felt like he treated it poorly and didn't give the company a fair shake when he broke it... But, Cody, I've decided to support your choice on this. There's no shame in going back to a trusted brand after a bad experience. Its you truck, your channel, and your preference. If you like the Warn, and it works for you, then theres nothing more to say on the subject. I hope you get years of joy out of your fancy new toy! I'm jealous, I don't even have a truck yet.
@@r.rodriguez4991 I thought winches had clutches with slip or some sort of overload protection? Impossible to know how much pulling force you are applying when pulling things out in the wild? IMHO the winch should just turn off and brake/hold the rope when the load is too high.
@@r.rodriguez4991 Aha I missed that, that location, being the same as the new winch? Or did he just omit to anchor it using all 6 bolts?
Very well said I share the same sentiments
But I would like to see this one go through the same torture tests. And for 99% of us professional homeowners the apex at 1/3 rd of the cost would probably suffice just fine
Sorry not 1/3 more like 1/5
I would say that 600ish$ to 3k$ you got your monies worth out of the apex lol
Warning for head phone users when the winch gets started up
What a beast!
2 part it and mount it to a trolley and hang it from a beam, in the peek of my garage.
Good looking truck and winch. Very thankful you are feeling better. I know you have no clue who I am but I’m glad God has his hand on your life.
Damn, that’s a loud winch. I almost thought something was wrong with it or that the gears needed to be greased. It’s just great to see you back to yourself and doing the things you enjoy. I agree with the cost factor. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for. As well, some stuff is just overpriced garbage. With Warn, you’re going to pay, but you are paying for a quality item that is dependable and reliable. A winch is like a truck... it’s just better to have more than you need. It’s always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Did they forget to add lubrication to the gearbox?
I think the planetary gear models are louder. I know mine is
I'd love to have one but just can't afford it....
can you do a simple tutorial on the torque wrench? I was gifted one but am clueless.
Although I'm a Warn fan as well, my Zeon platinum 12-s has the internal solenoid (which engages the gearing) failed, after just two years. Although covered by the warranty, I still have to send it off for repair. It's kind of dampened my confidence in Warn, especially for use during emergencies (as Cody so aptly described).
Looking good! Keep crushing it!
Yeah that piece back at HF en tell them to put some more quality on it 😂 No doubt I DO like that WIRE ROPE ant nothin' quit like draging your hands across a frayed steel cable whil'st fighting whit those tight kinky loops of memory IT IS a bit confusing that regular steel cable 3/8 and above is also called wire rope I guess the word synthetic is the operative word that set them apart although I've went around in some frustrating circles with some cable distributors insisting that regular cable and synthetic wire rope are one in the same👍
I bet that winch will still not pull out that same stump.
Not fair saying that the badlands winch is inferior. Your stupidity broke it. You had it hooked to something that would not move and kept pinching.
But it is inferior,
i love following Cody along with his projects. feel free to take time and do what You like its always a treat just to be in the shop and having you share your process and valuable information you've learned.
It's called a fairlead and it's good to put the hook to the side and reel in the slack. The fairlead has a polished surface, winching the hook into it can raise burrs that would wear on your rope. According to the specs, the sound of the winch, at 8 feet, should be 70 dB. Your winch sounds like they forgot to fill the gearhead with lube. I'd get it checked. It could happen. I had a friend, that bought a new Ford truck, 30 years ago. Drove it about 100 miles and the passenger rear wheel and axle came off. When it left the factory, the diff was bone dry.
I am so glad I don't need a winch. Cody, you're costing me a fortune... I'm still buying Wavian fuel cans...
Glad you're feeling better. My best to you and yours...
Great to see you back Cody. That winch is a proper beast. Would be interesting to see what warren say about your QC on the sticker as like you said when your paying 3grand for something it should not be happening.
I thpought all the big winches were supposed to be mounted to the face???? then the torque is only on the drum and not the body. I'm jealous either way!!! That's a big bad boy there!!!!! We got a pile of snow already ! Glad your feeling better!!!
With all thats happened in our world and yours, I am ecstatic to see you alive and well; let alone still making videos.
Who needs covid vaccines buy yourself a warn winch😁
Happy to see you're feeling well 👍
Quick question: Isn't it a Warn 16.5 Ton? You kept saying 16.5 thousand pound.
It’s small compared to the 8,000 vertical lift Warn that I bought back in the 1970’s. 😳
That was an easy install. Idk why he took so long to replace it.
Nice touch making the video 16.5 minutes long
7:25 When Mrs. W finds out you bought a truck wench, she's not going to be very agreeable. I made the same spelling mistake while shopping for a boat winch once. Oh the difference a letter can make.
I was thinking the same! HA!
3k, still wired
that truck is asking for extra lights on the roof
I think it's always good to disclose who paid for something you're doing a review on. Sometimes people are more biased about things they paid for with their own money. Anyways, great video and cool winch!
Can someone answer WHY so many idiots here support the Badlands brand? Warn employs AMERICANS to make these winches (except VR models) They have like 500 employees plus they make a far better winch. Every winch can get a bad name when some whiner complains because they didn't use it correctly but Warn and Ramsey are USA made and have far better quality parts internally and yes, are more expensive but you get what you for. I service winches every day so don't bother arguing the points. Rednecks supporting Chinese winch brands is the most ironic thing I know of. And just to add to the above, the 18000lb is their biggest of that type of winch. The much heavier winches above that start at 20,000lbs but wont fit any typical pick-up or SUV due to massive weight alone.
Would you say Dual Alternators are going to make this winch work better? 😆
It seems like a really nice wench Cody. But do you think that your truck will have enough alternator to handle the power draw? :-)
lol some of warns winches are the best, however check out their 2000-5000lb atv winches that use a plastic ring gear/chassis
This jokerstar keeps running a winch after having it more than doubled, mounted to an aluminum bumper, hearing a mechanical failure of some sort and then continues to badmouth a brand because of user error?
Or is he just playing everyone so he could get a free warn?
In the name of transparency he should have shown what the initial failure was and then shown his bumper wasn’t deformed by putting a straight edge on it.
Everyone says that you cant use rollers with synthetic line. Why? I don’t think thats true. What is true is that synthetic has a much smaller minimum ben radius allowing you you to pull at a greater angle and use tools like the x block. Wire has a much larger minimum bend radius and the roller help maintain that radius. They make steel non rollers that are lager as well allowing for that larger minimum bend radius.
Great to see you are feeling better! Prayer is powerful. Thanks for the vids really enjoy the information from a professional homeowner.
I was very concerned for you and your family’s welfare these last few weeks. I am glad you are on the mend. The Refiner’s fire is powerful stuff! Keeping you, your family, and especially the Sweetloaf in our prayers.
Canadian Prepper just tried to take a screw to your saw review because all he sells is overpriced Silky's.
Funny that he loves the branding on the fairlead from Warn but complains about the same branding on the Badland fairlead.
You should make another video with this truck on the 10 ways to prep your truck for winter like you did 5 years ago…
Also I’m so glad your feeling better!!!
Thoughts and prayers ❤️
if i was going to spend $3000 i would have bought a new 8274-50 or 70 they will last a lifetime
Cody can you do a video with all your chainsaws? You did one years ago on the old channel I remember. Thanks!
Saweeeet. Warn is the only winch to consider. Something else to consider: swap the hook for. Factor 55 Splicer. Personally I prefer closed loop for recovery. No latches or springs to fail.
☝️ I agree! Factor 55 makes some damn good stuff that makes recovery so much easier and safer! Soft shackles are a must and you can never have too many!!
No, no...naw! A $3000 winch is not even the same thing as that Harbor Freight and to to be honest when I looked this Warn up, I was a little pissed. I like things to work too, but $3000 is just plain irresponsible for me and my life. I couldn't have done $3000 even when I was still pulling down 200K/yr!
If it could save my life...maybe, but all it's going to do really is keep me from having a really crappy day. Damn, that is 2 sets of tires(35"), $3K could replace the bent up bed on the truck, OR it would buy a whole separate crappy car that could probably pull as hard as the Warn. So...no. I don't see it at all.
Thousands of dollars in Top of the line power tools.. Uses Allen Wrench! Lol
I know why, but I just find it amusing! You should thank Cody for working harder than he has to. Just to give top notch video content. Obviously you can't talk during the 0.02secs of using a Impact driver. But you can during the 5mins of using a T-handle Allen Wrench! Bahaha! BUT! Sarcasm aside, I think that's what makes his content so consuming. It has that warm fuzzy feeling. Kind of like we got watching Mr. Roger's Neighborhood! Keep doing you Cody! Just giving you a hard time! I wouldn't want u to change a thing!
Sorry to use you as a sounding board, but I have another issue with Buckstop Bumpers that you might want to be aware of. I have a 2004 Chevy 2500HD with Buckstop's Outback Version, plus a Rear Bumper as well. With Shipping, I spent about $4200 on both and after about 18 months of ownership noticed that the thin Powder Coating on both was beginning to peel off. Phone calls to Buckstop indicated that they had some quality control issues during the time I purchased these and due they were beyond the 12 month warranty would not do anything about them. And sadly, they seemed pretty rude about it i.e. they really didn't seem to care. If you look at Buckstop's Yelp Ratings, they are only a 2.5 out of 5 with primary complaints being failing to respond to phone messages or emails, poor customer service, a Power Coat that Peels and long lead times for their products. That said, the next time I decide to buy a Winch Mount I'll look elsewhere.
For this kind of price, the labels should be laser etched. I find many companies these days seem to be cutting corners. Some of the biggest companies feel that they are go to companies for certain products so they say "What The Heck", people will buy our products even if we do cut corners because they are pre-programmed to buy us anyway. This is pure nonsense. You do not see Patek Phillipe or Rolex cutting corners, you do NOT see Porsche or Ferrari cutting corners, you do NOT see Luxx or Orion optics cutting corners. You do NOT see Siemens, Stahlwille, or Wright tools cutting corners and so on. If Warn is watching this pay attention because some of us are willing to pay top buck for our items but can also drop you like a bad habit if you cut corners. Don't just try to live on past reputations, continue to build on those reputations by continuing to make your products even better and more revolutionary. I work hard for my money and if I am going to part with it you better give me something GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! in return.
Cody, I think your Warn and Badland winch failures were due to the aluminum bumper that flexed enough to cause the failure of the Badland and if the Warn would have held on long enough it to probably would have had the same failure, the all-aluminum bumper mount flexing too much.
Hey Cody glade to see you Healthy & Happy-- must be because of All the " Prayer Warriors " who watch the Channel. Praise the Lord-JESUS. Shur hope that expensive "Grind-a-Matic" (the way it sounds) holds up or you are going to say a lot of prayers when you Really Need It.
Cody, knipex recently bought out a slipjoint plier which would not only be a great replacement for the one you were complaining about but you could also make a video on it.
That's the biggest 12v, I believe. They also have industrial grade, severe duty, and G2 24v 18k lbs wenches that are larger and also hydraulic continuous duty 30k lbs. ones available.
I just installed a warn zeon 12-s on my 2013 ram 2500 and love everything about it! Going to come in real handy this winter!!
You should do a 1 year update video about your winch.
That is one nice winch. My only complaint is the comparison of a 3k dollar winch with one that I can get at harbor freight on sale for 500 dollars. I paid 275 dollars for there badland 12000lb winch and it has not let me down yet(05 F250). Have not tried pulling a stump out yet, might try if I get the opportunity.
LOL, I'm thinking the last thing Cody needs is a conversation piece. EVERYTHING you have at your place is a conversation piece ! LOL.
Witam
Czy celowo do warn wziołes sprzęgło manualne a nie ałtomatyczne?
Dlaczego nie montujesz wyłącznika awaryjnego?
Można zamontować jeszcze urządzenie skokowo podnoszące napięcie które zwiększa szybkość zwijania i ochładza sterownik
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So funny to watch this entire series of ”winch battle“.
1. " I think the maturfactruer should give options not to show their branding on the winch hawse" for the badland, then "it'd be great to have that warn logo on there" for the warn
2. "I dont think Im gonna put hook strap on" for the badland, then leaves the strap on warn.
I don't know what youre into Cody but this is something funny.