Or was, Tesla's contributions are finally being put in the limelight and his influence has been in use all the time, it's just only recently more people are becoming aware that he made some of those decisions and not Edison. (AC for example)
It is tragic. I have met young people who think Bill Gates is the greatest because he gave us the personal computer. It is so wrong, and leaves out the work of so many. I was fortunate enough to work with Gary, and just the experience was life changing. Thanks for the reminder of this important history :-)
Yep ... I have too met such people who think bill gates is great or something ...and I usually enjoy their reaction ..when I tell them that he is just a thief with more than average intelligence
To be fair, gates did sent IBM to him first. Gates then had to decide if it was him or someone else after the failed meeting. Because Gary wasn't going to be it due to how they treated IBM. It he and his wife to blame for their failure.
IBM was asking a lot for a simple meeting, and they were known at the time to talk to small companies and steal their tech later. The NDA that they wanted the small companies to sign would have prevented those same companies from suing IBM if their tech got stolen. Meeting IBM was a big deal because of this. See Computer Chronicles' episode on Kildall to understand the whole situation.
Maybe IBM knew he was away and if anyone would sign a contract with a corrupt company, it would be his wife. Who knows? IBM certainly knew the circumstance and could've rescheduled to meet with Kildwell. Maybe I'm reaching.
Not entirely Bill's fault. What wasn't noted in this video was IBM specifically requested an OS as close to CPM as possible. Bill gave them what they requested.
Cold Fusion I love your channel - but The "Internet History Podcast" channel has a 90 minute video that goes deep into this myth and exposes the lie that is "Gary went flying". IBM did not hinge multi-million $$$ decisions on one "meeting" with a business owners wife in her kitchen. These negotiations went on for several weeks and ultimately failed because Gary was unwilling to commit to a per unit license exclusive to IBM. The irony is that Microsoft escaped that clause anyway.
You are right. Back in the early 1990's, I had heard that Gary was acting arrogant, and wanted to keep IBM dangling... until the right offer. Pride goes before a fall.
@@letusreason3554 I don't know about that but I hear speculation of bad blood with IBM. Kildall was on some board which got the chance to pick whether the university (University of Washington?) got a computer from CDC (Control Data Corporation) computer or an IBM mainframe. Kildall broke the tie (or something) and the school chose the CDC machine. However, IBM in their arrogance already had their computer en route on a freight train.
"Gates, being deterministic and opportunistic in nature, was never going to give Gary a second chance." Gates *SENT* IBM to Gary Kildall, he *CALLED* him to give a heads up that someone *IMPORTANT* was coming and that he should "treat them right" and Kildall was not at home. But it's Gates' fault who seized the opportunity when IBM went back to him. OK then...
Right on! I was thinking the same think. I was actually pretty shocked to see the part that Bill Gates actually let the opportunity pass by the first time!
imho, bill gates was a man of honor, IBM came to him first and didnt jump at the opportunity. I think IBM convinced Microsoft to do it because they know bill gates are more professional. If IBM were stuck with gary i am not sure gary will be that big. Sometimes the innovators are the one that are truly successful and not the inventors. This happened many times in new tech throughout the history. But kudos to gary for being the first one to develop the first real OS.
Kildall was just a few years ahead of me in graduate school. I remember when he came back to give a talk demonstrating a development system he had for an early Intel microprocessor. It’s a tragedy he didn’t play a bigger part in operating systems development, in addition to his personal tragedy. I have a couple of friendly criticisms. The analogy to car models is poor. A mainframe operating system would support many models of computer of one make, so it would be as if GM and Ford were incompatible, not different models of GM cars. Second, Q-DOS was not stolen. CP/M was written for the Intel 8080 microprocessor. Q-DOS was similar to CP/M to the user, but written for the 8086 processor. It was a “work-alike” system, not a copy of the actual code. The IBM PC used the 8088 processor, a variant of the 8086.
@@medes5597that's what I knew of as well. Patterson even lost a court case where he accused kildall of defamation, and the judge ruled that he can't prove he didn't copy the design... in my view killdal's work got "dirty room copied"
@Dagogo: dude! I know you love music but YOU are SO GOOD at telling these stories, I'm literally giddy like 10yr old on Christmas morning when I see a ColdFusion notification! well done, as usual! cheers mate!
Yes, this should be watch by people to remind them to not fly away when one of your friend calls you and remind you of important clients will be coming.
The real mistake was made by Apple who should have just licensed their operating system and let third parties build the hardware more cheaply. Windows and Microsoft would just be a footnote in history.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
If you've ever wondered where the underlying code for Microsoft Windows came from, ponder no longer. Sit back and enjoy the twisting story of Garry Kildall, the man who should have been Bill Gates - a section of my book "New Thinking" out later in the year. Enjoy!
just a bit of advice: make your branding clear in the thumbnail. Most peoples' feed is larger than the time they can dedicate to watching videos. Best way to make it clear from the feed is to have a recognizable thumbnail so people don't accidentally overlook your work. think: logo, colour scheme, art style, etc... just saying cause if I hadn't noticed the channel name; I myself would've missed this one.
We often say, "This person was responsible for this or that". But, the reality is, these things often take an army and we all stand on the shoulders of giants. An engine doesn't work without the seemingly smallest incidental part. Think of all the unsung hero's who don't even get the recognition that Gary has.
@@princejohn9630 Cream floats. Their will always be "A commander". Besides, the "commanders" of this world get more than their fair share of recognition and often, a place in history. The point is, maybe the credit is a little weighted on the side of the striker when a game of soccer takes a team.
And think of all the sociopathic thieves like Gates who stole the intellectual property of the actual creators. These are the group many erroneously refer to as the "elites", rather than the "predators"
Completely agreed. Even if a team of geniuses were to be assembled we need a leader to channel the efforts in the right direction. That's where bill gates came into the show.
@@marshallabam3335 Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
Let's see... Gary wasn't present for the deal even though he was pre-emptively warned about it. Yet he prefered to take a flight on a plane instead. I wouldn't blame her but him for not being able of make it possible. She was being protective as she didn't know completely what their intentions were with the contract and thought was best for them since most lawyers that work for these corporations tend to play dirty. I really wanna take his side but he had a shot and Bill took it for him. As for the divorce, well, I guess you could see that one coming.
This video is kind of misleading. 1. QDOS was not a "ripoff" of CP/M. QDOS was created by a company called Seattle Computer Products with the specific purpose of having a CP/M-compatible API - that is to mimic the behavior of CP/M so that software written for CP/M would run on it. Microsoft later licensed QDOS from this company (for actual money), ported it to the IBM-PC and licensed the resulting PC-DOS to IBM and whoever else built an IBM-PC compatible machine and wanted a ready-made operating system for it. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS) The true genius of Bill Gates (and the reason why Gary Kildall would never become him) was having the foresight to strike the right deal with the right companies at the right time to get in on the ground floor of a phenomenon that was to change the world. 2. MS-DOS would not "eventually become Windows", Windows is a completely different product that initially ran on top of MS-DOS and later became independent from it. Saying that MS-DOS "became" Windows is like saying that you can turn a bicycle into a car based on the fact that both have wheels.
1) So u mean QDOS is basically a reverse engineered CP/M? A reverse engineered Intellectual property is KIND OF like a ripoff. 2) A bicycle EVOLVED into a car, the ideas are the same "human sit on top of wheels". He is just trying to simplify the story.
It is how the world works. Someone makes something (lets keep it on topic). Say IBM invents the PC. Prices are very high. Other manufacturers think the markups are very high and they can do better. They buy a PC and reverse engineer it and make a cheaper version. AMD did the same with Intel. So there is nothing new or special about it. IBM also made their own OS. It was called OS/2. Not many people know that nowadays, you can guess why. Gary KilledAll [sic] just did not see it. When Microsoft stopped developing newer versions of MSDOS and concentrated more on Windows he even made a DR-DOS, which was a reversed engineered version of MS-DOS. It was reasonable popular as it had a builtin 'disk doubler'. So the circle was complete. CP/M -> QDOS -> MS-DOS - DR-DOS (as a result of previous Concurrent DOS versions)
Dr Kildall was very much the master of his own fate. At each juncture of his story his choices helped defeat him. While a sad tale, no one bares fault in it other than the good doctor himself.
@Victor Ross That’s _not_ true. I had no problem purchasing DR DOS 3.x. At that time you couldn’t purchase MS-DOS, it was only available bundled with the computer. I also had no problem running Windows 3.x on DR DOS, or 4DOS.
Two things: who put the $240 price tag on the CP/M? That's a really dumb move. Also: what the hell was wrong with Gary's wife, not signing the agreement, and then divorcing him for her mistake? Such a low blow.
STILL DONT FORGET GATES STEALING HIS OPERATING SYSTEM .. JUST MAKING BILL GATES A SALESMAN ,, WITH THOSES BILLIONS HE MADE HE LIKELY FOUND A TEAM TO BUILD WINDOWS LIKELY ADDING NOTHING BUT CASH AND RESOURCES TO THE TRUE DEVELOPERS OF MICROSOFT, THEN HAVING THE CONTACTS AND CONNECTIONS TO GET THE PRODUCT TO MARKET FAST !!!
Perhaps I misunderstood this part. I thought they just wanted her to sign the NDA so she wouldn't tell anyone that they were there. I don't see how that changed anything.
@Joe Bloggs , Get help if you believe any of that. I could debunk all that crap, but I assume I'd be wasting my time. Proof in word origins. Really? I assume you're implying the vaccination is cover for sterilization. Got ANY proof of that? Any at all? Why aren't all the people with vaccinations becoming sterile then? Sigh.
@Joe Bloggs 666 is actually a good number in numerology. It means redemption. That's why it's the number of the beast. Because the raging psychopaths that run our world somehow believe the right way to be is the opposite of the way the universe actually works.
@Joe Bloggs The point is, is when that number is being communicated to us, it doesn't have the meaning that the psychopaths say it has. For example, a co-worker was freaking out because he was seeing 666 all the time. He thought he was cursed or something. It turns out he was actually calling people in his past that he has hurt to apologize and make amends. He was redeeming himself. It was being communicated to him that he is doing that and to keep doing that. That is the point.
Sadly, Gary dwelled on that one failure too much and didn't look at the contributions he made to society. For those of us that grew up during the personal computer revolution Gary will forever be much more than a footnote.
As a developer it is more the case that rather than re-inventing the wheel you use existing code/libraries. You are often being paid by the hour for a project that has a specific release date. Now you can either go back to the basics and use bubble sorting.. Or you can use a sorting library to handle that function. In reality 99% code is essentially modules and routines all attached together to create an application. This is also the basis of OOC (Object Oriented Coding) where each module or routine can be seen as a black box with specific inputs and outputs. What happens inside is of no interest unless it impacts of speed and performance.
Gary also wrote GEM, the Graphics Environment Manager, that was used on the Atari ST and a few other microcomputers. This was written a decade before Windows was usable and had features that are still missing in modern eye candy OSes.
@@devin1234 Businessmen do this on a normal day. Bill got the best deal out of it. Who would pay 75000 for a software in the 1980s when software wasn't even a thing, that it had the potential in the future to make profit, Bill made this shrewd decision. It is this what is significant, more than the meeting at Gary's house.
I was in the Tech industry then & for 35 yrs . It's always this way Apple ,Atari ,Facebook.same story different faces! The programmers never got the market possibilities .
once they had CP/M mojo reversed engineered and figured out, his creator stood no chance. Just like how they spoiled Steve Job out of his own company... quick recipe for profits. 👍
I Remember when Gates was yelling at all the users groups about sharing OS's saying we can have an industry if you all just STOP! Well he got to any way I had a job ! Much better when I had my own company don't know if anyone will be able to have your own thing anymore? If you can DO IT! You will be happy!
Because 'tech' guys seldom have the skill set to take advantage of their other skills. Some of us are just satisfied what we can accomplish with tinkering and there is ALWAYS someone out there to capitalize on others.
This story, especially the part where Gates tells Gary to be ready for an important meeting, but couldn't tell him what, changed my LIFE. I was abroad in South Africa for 3 months when a coworker called me to say that I should drop everything and head back to Austin on the next available plane. I laughed and protested that I simply couldn't, my house was rented for 3 months, my wife was on this journey with me and I couldn't abandon her, etc. He said he couldn't tell me why but I would be "sad" if I didn't come. I thought about it for a couple hours, and remembered this story. I booked the next flight back to Austin, and turns out our startup had a buyer that wanted to meet the core essential team. Had I not been there they would not have considered me essential and I would have not been part of the buyout. I would have missed out on a lot of money and a big step in my career. I indeed would have been "sad"
that makes no sense. Every startup has contracts for founders, executives, early employees, etc. that outlines what they get in case of a buyout. Doesn't matter where you are located, if a buyout happens you get the benefits as per the contract. No contract, no benefits. Now if you said your presence at the meeting was essential for the buyout deal to happen, then that makes sense. Otherwise anyone's definition of "essential" is irrelevant as long as your contract is in place.
They laid off everybody else after the acquisition except for the "core" team. It's been several years now and my position is the best its ever been while my old colleages have had varying degrees of seccuess/failure.
So Bill Gates was the one who recommended IBM the software of Gary Kildall. It's Gary's fault that he didn't take his chance. I don't think Bill Gates done anything wrong
He didn't know what it was. Sometimes you have to make a choice with little information, it's easy to use hindsight. Also Bill Gates didn't reimburse him, even after plagiarising his system.
the point here that coldfusion gave him credit for his work and it was a great video he didn t say about anything that include wrong or right its just a contribution to acknowledge the guy that made the os !!! and because of that i know who realy was the first to solve the problem of os
Another story that depicts how human complacency is in fact as deadly as cancer, and again history shows that there are no good or bad people just the smart and complacent ones. Thanks again ColdFusion, I had read about Gary in Paul Allen's "Idea man" but his story wasn't put into focus as you did. Great video.
In the 1930s in Germany after Hitler won a significant portion of the parliament, he was well acclaimed as a smart person despite his anti-Semitic pathos. But then contemporaries regard him as evil but the truth is that he got complacent, disregarded the boundaries of his power and committed the atrocities...which paradoxically aided in propelling Germany to her present day position. Hitler just like any major figure in history in any field is a subjective topic.
Richard Henry, my reasoning here is just deductive. We could sit here all day debating about various personalities in history of whether they were smart or just complacent... It is all subjective!!!
Zuckerberg is the worst. Bill Gates at least for once pointed the IBM to Gary... Gary messed up missing the meeting. Bill Gates bought the software he didn't make the clone.
What people seem to forget is that Bill Gate's mother worked on the board of IBM and Bill Gates Sr. was very well connected. (and was also on the board of Planned parenthood) Bill Gates is also a Rockafeller's grandson.. so everything was pretty much set up for him to succeed.
So sad. I recall driving past his Digital Research business numerous times on Lighthouse Avenue in Pacific Grove, late 70's. He converted an old Victorian house to accommodate his business. Sadly his life ended in a local bar in Monterey, CA. RIP, Gary.
It was called quick and dirty. Those geeks were already fantasizing back then about how much porn they could download on their laptops so they could avoid engaging with real women.
Yes and no, the mcdonald's brothers did not like what mcdonald's is now, no matter how much money it made. Roy Croc totally changed mcdonald's with his powdered shakes and all that shit
Actually Gary KILDALL knew what he had. He was trying to build an industry. He had a PhD in computer science The problem was he was the antithesis of Gates. Gates wasn't a great technical person but a good opportunistic businessman. KILDALL was a brilliant technical person. He wasn't even a bad businessman. He made some mistakes. IBM had contacted Gates who had some software but no operating system. Gates was dependent on KILDALL for that. CPM. GATES sent IBM to KILDALL who for whatever reason turned IBM down. He was working on a operating system for the new 8086. Gates panicked but found just down the street in Seattle Tim Paterson who also with KILDALL help developed an operating system. KILDALL wrote several books from which Tim learned. Gates purchased some rights for Tim's work. He then refused to pay royalty to Tim.
@@Benaam007-z5s Actually i was not the shakes at all, Croc had a background in real estate so he combined real estate + franchise to make his business. Mc Donald's real profit comes from real estate not from selling burgers.
Bill is not evil like 70% of the comments saying. He mentioned his name to IBM it was Gary who missed the perfect opportunity become billionaire + his wife didn't even bother to stay after she realized Gary will never get a 2nd chance of becoming a BILLionaire.
I know people who have two private planes, and use one, and rent the other. It pays for the both of them. Anyone with the money to buy two will end up better off than those who buy one. However; if you only have one definitely rent it out when not in use.
I think the real reason to NOT buy them is the life. If you have enough money, buy a big mansion, build your VR headset lounge and have fun. Or, if you have more money than you know what to do with it, buy a 737 (not the MAX!) and hire good professionals to guide you accross the globe.
In modern times, anything described as 'innovation' is usually just a term applied as a buzzword to make customers think something was improved upon, but inside the business world, everyone knows it's meaning is 'figured out a way to sell shit that already existed' and generally that applies if you can sell it to people who don't want or even need it. i.e. Bottled water is very VERY innovative.
I knew bill was evil in 1999 - when my I.T tutor told me that the spreadsheet was invented by a man who put it on the internet for free - evil gates found it and patented it
According to Wikipedia he still ended up as a very rich man, owning several sports cars, multiple huge houses, and a private plane. I get you wanted the dramatic effect to end the video, but it's not like he died poor.
He was poor as compared to Bill. He could have bought companies who manufacture sports cars and private jets. And instead of living in a huge house could have bought half a dozen islands for himself. But that’s not how it happened.
He should have threatened to sue Bill. I know that it probably wouldn't have worked, but Bill might have given him a little bit of something-- just to make him go away.
@@letusreason3554 Threatened?? Are you joking? He could and should've sued him without any settlement whatsoever. He had a firm leg to stand on. The foundation of that software is HIS. Any competent patent/copyright firm would've taken his case and he would've reaped billions. It's a clear cut case that Gates would have to fork over billions. Gates got lucky two times in his life big time...one is that Kildall didn't sue and second is that IBM didn't stipulate exclusivity for the software.
@@totalbliss1 ... I agree with you in principal. But this is the real world, and the big deep pockets of Microsoft would have tied him up in knots for years. But if he would have amicably pursued a settlement with Gates... he would have at least gotten something.
Everyone believed Cp/m would pull it off with IBM. They had the PL/1 market and matched in technology. I was In Florida and heard of the sales pitch of Bill Gates - and was amazed that IBM sided with him.
From somebody who lived thru these times when CP/M was king. As evidence of that I can still remember the command tail in CP/M was stored at 100hex. The fact he went flying instead of receiving his IBM visitors was legendary at the time it happened - back then the story was that his ploy was to emphasis his power. The aspect that hasn't been brought out in this program is that IBM did not want to own the operating system BECAUSE they were going thru an anti-trust suite and it would have been a red flag to own it. I do feel sorry for Gary Kildall as it would be very hard to have your nose rubbed in the dirt of your own mistake for the rest of your life. Poor bastard. But then perhaps he might not have had the fore sight to exploit the graphical interface that Xerox pioneered or to give their sacked researchers jobs as Apple and Microsoft did in the firesale. We will never know. RIP Gary Kildall.
Bill Gates could have been more helpful to Gary/DRI when he called to tell them that he was going to have some important visitors. Or even after IBM got rejected by Gary's wife, and they came to Bill Gates again. Microsoft could have signed a licensing deal with DRI so DRI and Microsoft would both benefit from the deal with IBM. But Bill Gates was a little too greedy for that. And beyond the Microsoft/DRI issue, what about Microsoft buying Q-DOS for $75k? I imagine the creators of Q-DOS are also kicking themselves for selling their OS for such little money. I'm sure Bill Gates didn't tell them anything about Microsoft's plans with IBM, which Gates only knew about under NDA, of course.
While I'm unfamiliar enough with it to know about an anti-trust suit, if true, I have zero doubts that would be enough for IBM. For a company of their size, swallowing up technologies that are already encumbered with anti-trust would have been the most obvious blunder in the history of PCs.
Honnestly, it was a string of bad luck for him. First, Bill could have been more persuasive. Second, did IBM come out of the blue ? Do they expect for people to stay home all the time in case IBM visits ? Can't they come back the next day ? Third, his wife fucked everything up royally. She was not the secretary of the company, she could have handled it more gracefully, promising that garry is interrested, that he will visit them and sign the paper.
My recollection is it was an arranged visit by IBM execs and he thought he was in a power position. He was at the time and history hadn't shown the list of companies that were dominant, crashing to oblivion. A building near me is testimony to that. It has been rebadged four times by companies that were once dominant. @@PyromancerRift
His wife left him after realizing he's not gonna be a billionaire like she hoped, and he died in a fist fight in a random bar. Talk about a tragic ending for a once great man.
Where as Billy Gates was flying in Jefferey Epstein's planes outside of US jurisdictions. Super wealth seems to super-corrupt. Although I cannot attest to the fact.
Did not know about this till now even thought I have heard of Gary’s company. Why the wife left, honestly we won’t know as we were not there. When a man spirals down, its tough for the entire family, ain’t easy for the family. It’s a mixture of wrong time, wrong place and maybe there was not hunger? Well whatever it might be, a good lesson in life to be entrepreneurial...stay safe and stay masked folks. Cheers!
He didn't die in a fist fight. He fell at a bar (according to his own account anyway), and had a brief hospital stay. The "bar brawl" theory has also been highly disputed by scholars despite his own testimony that he simply fell. He died days later in his home from heart failure. There's been speculation that the heart failure MAY have been connected to the head injury somehow, but there has been no link or any evidence of such. To recap: he sustained a minor head injury at a bar. He stated that he fell. Witnesses stated that he fell. Scholars also deny there was a fight, and there has been no evidence or eyewitness corroboration that there was a fight. He had a brief hospital visit related to the injury and went home. He died several days later from heart failure. The "dying in a fist fight at a bar" makes a great tragic end for our hero in a TH-cam video story, but it's demonstrably false.
@@browncatwithblurredbackgro2461 He couldn't have told him who exactly was going to visit him due to the non-disclosure agreement he had signed. BIll Gates risked being sued if he told him.
@@browncatwithblurredbackgro2461 He told Gary to treat them right, Gary didn't. That's Gary's problem. Remember the NDA that Gary's wife didn't sign? If she had signed it, She and Gary would have been a lot happier. So Bill told them and Gary/wife blew it. I remember thinking I was going to buy CP/M for my first PC but when I saw the prices? "Hey Gary, this was not 1978 anymore" is what I thought. I should say I had paid almost $300 for my first copy of CP/M two or three years earlier for two S100 PC's I had put together with some soldering on my own.
While these facts were happening I had been working for years as a programmer in Honeywell and then on Cromemco systems. First in CPM and then, with multitasking, in Cromix (Cromemco Unix). As far as I can remember what is said @7:08, it was sort of a well known fact among sw producers at the time, since anyone who knew CPM understood immediately what DOS was. For example Gary Kildalls CPM used "PIP" (Peripheral Interfacing Program) where MS used the "COPY" command which was identical to PIP [it was also used to print files EXACTLY as in CPM] but with inverted parameters (source destination). Everyone in our software house thought it was a quick and easy way to make MS-DOS look as different as possible from the one it was ripped from! I still remember the screams and tears of the secretaries realizing that they had just accidentally destroyed a week's work by copying over it the contents of the previous week's security copies using the DOS "COPY" instruction with the CPM "PIP" syntax they where used to! It kept happening for a while... certainly MS-DOS was destined to leave a mark in computer history!
@@jshanker2005 Well because he did not. Gary was race car driver yaht owner. He had a high value Harley Davidson. Wen to a bar and fell down. No one knows if he was hit or just fell. He went to the hospital and died days later.
Jose Gonzalez No one know he was in Franklin Street Bar & Grill. He was standing fell down. Went to the hospital, a few times over weekend and died on Monday. He refused medial treatment at first. Gary was race car driver, pilot. He has need for speed not brand loyalty he had multiple bikes.
I love how you present things, the music theme plus the robot phone voice effect that causes such a sense of nostalgia on listener. Congratulations for the work. It's all simple, clean, direct and well composed. Cheers
Christy Axel Norman The first one Mary Maxwell Gates of course. Can't be the second wife Mimi Gardner because she would be 12 year old when Bill Gates was born.
@Levi im so glad u mentioned that coz it does matter. I read Bill Gates book: The road ahead. but i didnt know his mom was on the board. all he says is that his mom and other moms got them a computer at their school.
As an older coder, I was around when this happened. I also saw the code, cp/m's internal structure, register use, vector calls, parameter definitions were all copied without changes when MS Dos launched. I also had disassembled CP/M 8080 source in assembler. Yes, I think MS stole it. At the time, they denied the obvious evidence. I don't think they have ever admitted to this crime.
TFW who cares about this proprietary shit Linux already took over server and supercomputer market, now thanks to grass-roots power users it's spreading into desktops. Maybe in 5 years there'll be enough Linux games, so users switch and this shit is done
Intellectual property law allow businesses to "mimic" software functionality, provided they write their own code. Obviously this is a grey area because lawyers have to determine what is a copy and what is a rewrite. Gates purchased a CPM rewrite from a nearby developer for $70K ( as I recall ) .
Youwut mate lol linux is never becoming mainstream for because people are now used to Microsoft shit. Linus Torvalds himself admitted that linux failed precisely because its not unified. The kernel is, sure. But the kernel is only a part of the bigger piece. Right now, the best shot of a mainstream GNU/Linux OS is Ubuntu and even Ubuntu is not that friendly for a layman. I'll point out 2 specific reasons why Linux based OS will not be a hit in the Desktop sector. Firstly, the reason why Windows is so popular is because it's the default OS in laptops and premade desktops. Most people just buy a PC from the shop and be done with it. Not everyone likes messing with the OS and people are certainly not going to go out of their way to install a new OS. For most of the things, Windows does the job and in some cases like office suite and gaming, its better than Linux. There is no significant reason for an average user to switch. Secondly, installing software in linux is still terrible. There is no single package manager. Sure there is an app installer but it only has popular software. Any other 3rd party software and you have to go to command line or add repositories to the software installer. Contrary in Windows, you open the exe file and click next. It usually is a 2-3 click process. There isn't remotely anything user friendly like this in Linux. People complain about the lack of software but that is least of the problems. Once the user base is there, the software will follow. The problem is how to establish the userbase. Apple did this by providing really good user friendliness, cool branding, an functioning ecosystem around its PC and other products, security (linux does this too) and quality first party apps like Garageband, iMessage/Facetime, iCloud, iWork, a unified app store for developers to sell their software and most importantly, bundling their OS with their PCs. The day Linux comes preinstalled with laptops and starts appealing to mass market with some relevant benefits, it will dominate the PC market. I really wish that would happen because I am really tired of Microsoft's bullshit. Sorry for the wall of text :)
My first computer was a Heathkit H89, running HDOS on hard sectored floppy disks. I later upgraded (?) to CP/M. Today I am retired from programming Mainframe computers. Good times. 👍
The world is full of stories of missed opportunities, and 'what ifs'. The deciding factor is usually the individual with a vision and shrewd business sense. Steve Wozniak openly admits that even though he is the designer of the Apple 1&2, Apple would not exist without Steve Jobs. Xerox PARC could have been Apple, but Steve Jobs had the vision to see the value of their technology. I could have been a multi-millionaire today if I had the vision in 2005 to hold onto my 2000 shares of Apple at $18/shr before their cumulative 14:1 stock split and skyrocketing success of the iPhone and iPad. It takes more than just being in the right place at the right time. You have to really understand what you are looking at.
Steve Jobs didn't have the vision to utilize the technology pioneered and developed by a group within Xerox. The people who made those machines were light years ahead. Nobody outside of Xerox had anything remotely like their GUI. PCs of the time were still using cursor keys and old fashioned menus to manipulate their data & games. Steve Jobs was pretty good at stealing other people's brilliance to pass it off as his own. He freely admitted to that. It was the failure of the leading paper copying company to pay heed to the creations they sought to investigate in the first place. Story goes it was Xerox who was worried about a "paperless" office as their whole business relied on it. Besides without Wozniak there would be no Apple. He is the true genius behind that company. Did Apple employees hate him? Get him ejected from his own company? Nope...that special feat was reserved for supreme ass Jobs himself. Who went on to make a failed PC company at NeXT.
Alien Soup AMEN. I was fortunate enough to meet Steve Wozniak in person about a month ago and it humbled the fuck out of me. Made me realize that he’s a human being. More than anything it made me realize that Steve Jobs wasn’t a tech genius. He just made it pretty and sold it well. Vision is so important in the realm of technology these days because virtually anything you can think of is within grasp - it’s just a matter of intelligent use of the resources at hand. Yes, it may take many years. But we’re already on the brink of a mass market for space expeditions. Life is so crazy. The most exciting time in all of human history and we get to be a part of it.
Alien Soup, hindsight is always 20/20. I worked for a startup for almost four years and left them four months before they got sold to a tech giant. I lost hundreds of thousands in stock options, which were worthless when the company was private.
Great video man. Never knew of a man called Gary Kildall, although I am a computer engineer myself! Thanks for throwing some light on a very important but historically forgotten topic! Enjoying all of your videos. Do continue. Cheers.
just like how Warner Music Group complains about illegal copies of music on TH-cam translated from MP3 files. and didja know that Gary Kildall died on Suzanne Vega's 35th birthday, because Vega is "mother of the MP3". Vega and Kildall are both KEY PLAYERS in computer technology.
Yeah, tell me about it. It seems that the only people that actually care about software piracy and illegal copies are the ones that were involved in shady grey area tactics in the beginning themselves. The music industry is a total joke.. after all, it's not THEIR music. The aren't the artists who write it, they just want the money for selling it. Most artists, if they haven't been utterly screwed over by the contract that the record industry provided them (hmm, unlikely eh), they are happy with what they got.. Metallica and Napster was the ultimate fucking piss take - Metallica's first album 'Garage Inc' was alluding to the fact that the band started off by practicing in a garage, and they got popular in their neighbourhood through word of mouth when people copied tapes for one another.. The Napster if its day was hope taping and sharing.. They got mega famous and rich off that. Then they shit all over it for MORE money after they got famous and mega rich.
@@MOSMASTERING concerning Napster, well, Suzanne Vega was signed to A&M Records prior to the 2000s, but when A&M Records turned against Napster, Vega switched to the Blue Note label, and sometimes I wonder if that decision to switch to a different label was connected to that drama, seeing as Vega was regarded as 'mother of the MP3', also noting all the MP3 files Napster distributed.
Proof that real genius is a curse, not a blessing. The cemeteries are filled with the bodies of those who were killed by unscrupulous people with superior business skills.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I watched Computer chronicles every saturday morning from 1987 through 1990 skipping cartoons but I never knew Gary Kildall was one of the early hosts. That is very interesting
I remember having a copy of DR-DOS which was Digital Research's version of DOS back in the 90's. It was the best version of DOS I ever used until Windows 95 came out.
I don't feel bad for the guy, I mean, This is business, and bill gave him a chance, he called him, he said it was important and this guys just didn't care. He wasn't cut out for this type business anyway. And "essentially a ripoff" is not the same as pirating it. A lot of software/games are a ripoff of another but that's still 100% legal.
Gary was business man. He met with IBM that day and after the Wife sent the NDA to the lawyers Gary refused to sign it when he came home later that day. Also after the failure in 1981 his company profit doubled. tech-insider.org/personal-computers/research/1983/0221.html
Gary made his choice. He was told to expect company but he didn't care so he went about doing his own thing. Innovator and leaders have the foresight to recognize opportunity. Gary had no vision and turned out to be exactly what you would expect a talented visionless person to be.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I could not disagree more: Kildall was even informed that the visitors would be very important. What else could Gates have done? Instead he does not show up for the meeting. All well deserved.
"Refused to sign an NDA"... totally agree with you, Kildall and his COO (Mrs. Kildall) really brought this upon themselves with a total lack of business sense. Don't see any wrongdoing by Gates, he sent IBM to Digital Research, and they didn't want to play ball. IBM obviously wanted to work with another company and that was Microsoft.
@@garyt123 I'm not too sure on how to feel on the NDA part as it's glossed over and we aren't privy to the discussions and how much Mrs Kildall knew about the impact of these people. So I can't lay the blame too much on her... Kildall on the other hand was completely at fault here though. The man was given IBM on a silver platter by Bill Gates and he basically dismissed it in fact him suing IBM was really just him being sour grapes at missing an opportunity. If a friend calls you beforehand some important folks are coming you make sure you're there! Even *if* it was some small two bit company instead of IBM it's still a business opportunity!
IT was the first operating system I used. I ran a business off micro pro software and Aston Tates DEBASE II. The flurry of really bad software following IBM entry into the micro computer business killed off the inovators . As always, MONEYTIZIN !
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I used it briefly way back when, on some early notebook my Dad brought home... I couldn't tell the difference from DOS. There was no way for me to find out connections between the two in the early 80s. Bill is like Steve jobs in the sense that they are business people first and foremost... they find geniuses, and try to low-ball them.
This is the history of great "inventors" or "entrepreneurs", tesla vs edison, wozniak vs jobs, allen and kildall vs gates, musk vs all the guys who actually came with tesla and all the people who actually do something at space x, question a business man about the tesla vs edison thing and you'll see if they actually care about what they doing or they're there to make money off of other's work
@@josecarlosxyz are you kidding? Jobs died a billionaire, woz is not even close even tho he did the hard part and jobs even fucked him over. A lot of people knows who jobs was, not a lot of people outside of tech knows who woz is and how important his work is, much like the ones who actually created things that thomas edison stole the credit for. The comparison between edisom vs tesla is not meant to address their rivalry in business but the two personalities of someone who actually cares about what they doing and those who are pricks, who steal ideas and credit.
@@nenaradicevic8079 back then few women received credit … and Einstein certainly had his shortcomings … the other lady of that era struck it big when she married the right guy … and was recognized for her work
@@pymyriad She study with him in Suisse secretly she was a coauthor of his theory and it is not secret anymore for Science community She was better than him scientist but they have two sick children and she was behind him
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I met Gary in 1993 , didn't know it was him at the time, but he came to a Robot Group meeting in Austin. I did remember seeing a Porsche 911 in the parking lot which was unusual, but anyone could park in that lot for the businesses on that block on S. Congress. RG had a weekly meeting and after the meeting I do remember a pretty drunk guy bending my ear on how the next big thing was going to be TeleDildonics :) Sort of fits in with the robot theme of the meeting I guess. We talked for a while, bouncing some goofy ideas around before he took off. No idea who he was at the time, not until several years later did I connect the dots when I saw a picture of him and remembered the Porsche. And that he could hold a pretty in depth conversation about modems, latency, servomechanisms while slurring most of it. I'd loved to have talked more with him. I started out with an Altair 8800, and of course Bill Gate's 4K BASIC. My machine could never run CP/M as it only had 32K or RAM and a 71K floppy drive, CP/M needed more RAM and at least a full size 8" disk for it's OS. But I did work with CP/M and MP/M (multi-user CP/M) Altos and Ohio Scientific systems when I was in High School as a technician . It's sad the alcoholism took him, CP/M was somewhat Open, all the low-level IO and OS functions had Source so you could port it to any machine. I could see it running on smaller embedded systems like Arduinos or some of the ARM systems of today.
Way back when I was a HS tech, I worked on Altos systems with MP/M, they were nice, had 8" HDD and 4 users in a 4U sized long chassis. They also had Mini systems in an Altair sized chassis.
Over time, I feel more and more that Gates isn't the villain here: Not only did he initially pass up the "Greatest Deal in History" (he could have bought that CPM clone right away) but he went out of his way to give it to Kildall by directing IBM to him specifically even though Kildall was a competitor, afterwards he even personally tipped Kildall off IBM was coming - risking a lawsuit by potentially breaching his NDA with IBM. Gates then waited until negotiations between IBM and Kildall had failed and IBM came back to him with the problem of not having an OS. Realistically, what more could Gates have done here? Just let the company that made clone have the contract and reward them for being a bunch of lousy thieves?
totally on the side of gates here, told gary some important people were coming, he passed up the opportunity, so did the wife, its just stupidity. gates deserved it more
@@omarsaletovicprins9632 I think crucial pieces are missing - from what I was told back then, Paul Allen at a crucial moment was instrumental in keeping the connection between IBM and Microsoft in order.
without the MS+IBM deal existing (and specifically the way it was written) there likely wouldnt be a clone market. this means that whatever decision making happened it would not have factored in clones as a given.
I couldn't agree more. Gates informed the guy, it's Kildall's fault he decided to play dumb and stand up the IBM guys. The wife too f*cked up by turning down that agreement. Oh well.
There is so much bull shit in these comments IBM went to talk to Bill Gates because of his Basic Interpreter - which Microsoft had created for the Altair. They thought he had an OS. He tells them he doesn't and they need to talk to Gary. Gary's wife was the business person for the company - so she would have made the decision regardless of whether Gary was off flying his plane or not. IBM wants her to sign a non-disclosure deal - that was a one way thing. They could do whatever they wanted - but she couldn't do anything or tell anyone about it. She had something to lose. CP/M was the biggest OS in the 8 bit world. She didn't trust IBM so she wouldn't sign. The IBM guys didn't know what to do - because they weren't allowed to tell her why they were there - unless she signed. So, IBM goes back to Bill and Microsoft is like - "OK - we will get you an operating system." They go to Seattle Computer Products - which they knew had an OS for their own 8086 boards - and bought it. Patterson didn't just rip CP/M off entirely but may have used some of it. In any case - what was done and wasn't done - was between Seattle Computer Products and Digital Research. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Paterson In any case - Microsoft wasn't just ripping off CP/M. Microsoft bought a product from SCP - then began modifying it - and that is what IBM bought. Now - the big thing here - was that Microsoft reserved the right in their contract with IBM to sell their OS to other companies. IBM's attitude was that all the money was in the hard ware - so they knew about that - but didn't care. THEN all these clone makers came along and THAT is what made Microsoft rich. As noted in this video - there was a version of CP/M for the IBM but as pointed out - it cost $240 instead of $40 for the MS OS - so most people bought the cheap one. THAT is what did Digital Research in. The other thing was - Microsoft had more than just an operating system - and developed a whole line of other software and hardware products. I was there for much of this, watching as a consumer as it happened and what happened over and over again - was some company would become King of the Hill - then screw up - and get replaced by some one else. For example, in Word Processor Software - you had Word Star - then Word Perfect and then Microsoft Word. Each one being King of the Hill for a while (and I do mean KING) but screwing up and being replaced. A lot of these incidents were because of bad business decisions - not technology. THAT is one of reasons Bill Gates was so successful. He was not only a good technical person - but - he was also a good business man. People like to look at single incidents and say that these were the turning points - but it's not really true. Had Gary Kildale's wife signed that NDR - it doesn't mean he would have been what Bill Gates became. For one thing - there was nothing to stop Microsoft from buying that OS from SCP and developing it. We just won't ever know what IBM would have done - or what would have happened when all those clones came along. The clones were made possible because IBM used off the shelf components - so - anyone else could - and did - do the same thing. With MS selling an OS for $40 and DR for $240 - things just might have ended up the same way they did.
There's a lot of truth in this comment,it wasn't because of MS that made Gary go down. The decision to make your price higher for basically the same OS killed his chances.
@Bob Smith Excellent comment! I completely agree with you. Bill Gates did what he could do, legally, to do business. He didn't steal anything, nor cheated anyone. If the guy didn't see the opportunity coming (even with a heads up) then someone else would, and this someone else happens to be Bill Gates.
In the Seventies, I wrote an extensive article about a Windows Registry data structure. When Windows 3.1 came out, they adopted the same data structure I had described in my article.
"MS never mentioned that their deal was non-exclusive..." Yeah sure. because IBM's lawyers, the same that made you sign an NDA even just for looking at the logo, would just not read an agreement, and never notice a tiny little thing like "non exclusive". It is as if your mechanic would miss your car lacking wheels....
Stefano Papaleo people tend to overlook the simplest things. Lawyers are people too. Especially when it comes to new technologies. No one knew this was gonna be so important.
Of course. IBM as a company missed the greater importance of software, and a software standard, in future years. They didn't realize what they were giving up, and never would have happened if they did.
Plus they were dealing with a young boy, not a savvy businessman, or another team of lawyers. They were IBM, they practically owned the world. And probably Bill has the best poker face ever, because he knew exactly how important those little details are.
You guys are missing the point. I am not arguing that IBM overlooked the importance of software licenses, and the future of PC, and though they had made a great deal. I already read about this story 20+ years ago, knew who Kildall was, and used both CP/M and MS DOS etc.. My point is that the video says that MS never *mentioned* the non-exclusivity nature of the deal, and that is - obviously - BS. Don't get me wrong, I like Dagogo but here the whole thing is misleading and makes no sense. Just like IBM dropping CP/M because the guy was not home. These 'myths' are nice and charming but the are just myths, because companies, like nations, need a good origin story, with heroes and villains and fascinating adventures. The real world is another thing, much more boring, and much more PRAGMATICAL. So no, you don't get to be the biggest tech company of that time by overpaying fat retainers to legal teams who OVERLOOK a non-exclusivity clause, nor you cut deals shaking hands etc. You obsviously carefully draft WRITTEN CONTRACTS and you x-ray them before you sign them. IBM simply was not that hot about personal computing, and therefore thought that clause was unimportant, they were not in the dark about that. Or you think IBM was like an almost illiterate low-wage worker who blindly signs a mortgage agreement with no clue?
I admire Gary Kildall a lot, he developed CP/M, GEM, the CDROM driver.... he was a brilliant engineer. What he wasn't was a business and marketing person. He should've hired a "suit" - his own Bill Gates or Sculley type to run the company and gone out and been more cut throat. GEM should've been on ever PC and windows should've never happened. DOS was good, but CP/M had the potential to have been better. He literally gave away the CD-ROM driver. He was a great guy, but very business foolish.
So the suit he hires can then take advantage of him probably in the end, too. It seems good business people are rare then, much like psychopaths. I hate how we blame these unsuspecting people who had no idea what could happen, for being taken advantage of. We could all easily fall victim, we should stand up for them instead of justifying those who take advantage.
@@craigjensen6853 why don't you life in a farm, or isolated village somewhere in Africa, you will be happier there, you won't see any windows not everyone shared your opinion you know, there many people life benefit so much from microsoft os and software, without windows, people still wasting energy working inefficient
@@craigjensen6853 I remember a time before the standardized IBM, Microsoft, Windows and believe me it was not pretty. Multiple small computers each with their own address spaces. Nothing standard so to develop software you needed at least 4 computers to recompile on. Constant issues with incompatibilities.
@@jensenraylight8011 A big part also came about with easy to work with computer languages. Before Visual Basic and it's drag and drop form you spent weeks going through the MFC until you finally got a little "Hello World" application. I've been a programmer since 1975 so I should know the history because I LIVED it.
Thank you for introducing us with this legend. We can learn many things from this story. I don't understand why IBM didn't first approached Gary , since Gary had already invented CP/M ?
@Martyr4JesusTheChrist it's just distractions brother. These people are literally working for the enemy without realizing it. Dont waste your Pearl's on the pigs brother.
Bill Gates did a heck of a lot more for Gary than he was obligated to. Not only did he send IBM to him in the first place, but he actually called and reminded Gary how important it was that he be there. Gary's own arrogance is to blame for all of what happened afterwards... A sad story, but life is all about being able to take the opportunity when it presents itself....just as Bill Gates did..
that's not his only blunder. Why did Gary charge 240$ for his OS, when gates charged only 40$ for his OS?? They were practically the same damn operating systems. To me, this shows that gary had a poor business acumen, and probably would not succeed in the business of computing and operating systems by himself no matter how many great opportunities came his way. Gates on the other hand was highly technically savvy AND business savvy...he was made for the tech business and that's why he came out on top.
This comment makes no sense. Only one operating system would've been install at a time so how could DOS display messages that it detected another operating system?
I'm not sure if that was even a thing back then (dual boot that is)When installing w98 or W95 or vice versa it simply would not install on the drive having an existing install of either,so I highly doubt this comment lol. Unless there's some kind of drivers missing to support certain hardware and that being indicated while installing.I never worked with 80's OS's so I have no clue.
Adam Saleh History is littered with good coders pioneers like Linus who created Linux...although genuises at coding they lacked any business sense or ambition thry did it for the love of it more than huge financial gain. Bill had unusually the combination of being a coder geek and an extremely ambitious competitive personally and shrewd business mind, at exactly the right time. Gary dropped the ball and Bill quickly picked it up and kept running full speed.
Who knows how many geniuses like him got lost to history :/
Whoami Nobody Thats the tragic part
And also, the school system in most countries are bullshit
Tesla is one of them
Or was, Tesla's contributions are finally being put in the limelight and his influence has been in use all the time, it's just only recently more people are becoming aware that he made some of those decisions and not Edison. (AC for example)
Rosalind Franklin is another one, she discovered the DNA double helix structure but was never honoured.
It is tragic. I have met young people who think Bill Gates is the greatest because he gave us the personal computer. It is so wrong, and leaves out the work of so many. I was fortunate enough to work with Gary, and just the experience was life changing. Thanks for the reminder of this important history :-)
Ok boomer
@@firelesswireless9734 ikr
Yep ... I have too met such people who think bill gates is great or something ...and I usually enjoy their reaction ..when I tell them that he is just a thief with more than average intelligence
@@Reviewnator seems kinda like you’re jealous about something you have nothing to do with
@@firelesswireless9734 OK loser.
"Opportunities are never lost; someone will take the one you miss."
- unknown
Well played
- Bill gates
Exactly, he decided to go out when he was given an oppertunity.
That's cynical :)
yup
I remember old timer computer engineers hating MS and there was untold history where Bill Gates is concerned. Thanks for giving Gary Kildall his due.
To be fair, gates did sent IBM to him first. Gates then had to decide if it was him or someone else after the failed meeting. Because Gary wasn't going to be it due to how they treated IBM. It he and his wife to blame for their failure.
Just imagine that had Gary's wife signed the NDA.
IBM was asking a lot for a simple meeting, and they were known at the time to talk to small companies and steal their tech later. The NDA that they wanted the small companies to sign would have prevented those same companies from suing IBM if their tech got stolen. Meeting IBM was a big deal because of this.
See Computer Chronicles' episode on Kildall to understand the whole situation.
Maybe IBM knew he was away and if anyone would sign a contract with a corrupt company, it would be his wife. Who knows? IBM certainly knew the circumstance and could've rescheduled to meet with Kildwell. Maybe I'm reaching.
You mean billionaire.
Not entirely Bill's fault. What wasn't noted in this video was IBM specifically requested an OS as close to CPM as possible. Bill gave them what they requested.
Cold Fusion I love your channel - but The "Internet History Podcast" channel has a 90 minute video that goes deep into this myth and exposes the lie that is "Gary went flying". IBM did not hinge multi-million $$$ decisions on one "meeting" with a business owners wife in her kitchen. These negotiations went on for several weeks and ultimately failed because Gary was unwilling to commit to a per unit license exclusive to IBM. The irony is that Microsoft escaped that clause anyway.
@Brian correct. CPM guys hated IBM. It was not a one time cut and dry thing.
You are right. Back in the early 1990's, I had heard that Gary was acting arrogant, and wanted to keep IBM dangling... until the right offer.
Pride goes before a fall.
Thanks for clarification. So many minor variations of this story are out there and it's quite frustrating.
@@letusreason3554 I don't know about that but I hear speculation of bad blood with IBM.
Kildall was on some board which got the chance to pick whether the university (University of Washington?) got a computer from CDC (Control Data Corporation) computer or an IBM mainframe. Kildall broke the tie (or something) and the school chose the CDC machine.
However, IBM in their arrogance already had their computer en route on a freight train.
DOS was not as big back then....Only when the graphical interface "Windows" did the system take off....along with mouse.
"Gates, being deterministic and opportunistic in nature, was never going to give Gary a second chance."
Gates *SENT* IBM to Gary Kildall, he *CALLED* him to give a heads up that someone *IMPORTANT* was coming and that he should "treat them right" and Kildall was not at home.
But it's Gates' fault who seized the opportunity when IBM went back to him. OK then...
Right on! I was thinking the same think. I was actually pretty shocked to see the part that Bill Gates actually let the opportunity pass by the first time!
thank Bill Gate's mom for getting Bill on IBM's radar in the first place.
Bill Gates probably did his Ex just for the fun of it...
George, DOS was basically pirated software.
imho, bill gates was a man of honor, IBM came to him first and didnt jump at the opportunity. I think IBM convinced Microsoft to do it because they know bill gates are more professional. If IBM were stuck with gary i am not sure gary will be that big. Sometimes the innovators are the one that are truly successful and not the inventors. This happened many times in new tech throughout the history. But kudos to gary for being the first one to develop the first real OS.
Kildall was just a few years ahead of me in graduate school. I remember when he came back to give a talk demonstrating a development system he had for an early Intel microprocessor. It’s a tragedy he didn’t play a bigger part in operating systems development, in addition to his personal tragedy.
I have a couple of friendly criticisms. The analogy to car models is poor. A mainframe operating system would support many models of computer of one make, so it would be as if GM and Ford were incompatible, not different models of GM cars. Second, Q-DOS was not stolen. CP/M was written for the Intel 8080 microprocessor. Q-DOS was similar to CP/M to the user, but written for the 8086 processor. It was a “work-alike” system, not a copy of the actual code. The IBM PC used the 8088 processor, a variant of the 8086.
I also miss the story of MP/M mentioned her. I remember we took interest in it.
He used CP/Ms built in debugger to make QDos and copied it's layout and function calls. To the point that QDos has CP/M bugs replicated.
@@medes5597that's what I knew of as well. Patterson even lost a court case where he accused kildall of defamation, and the judge ruled that he can't prove he didn't copy the design... in my view killdal's work got "dirty room copied"
@Dagogo: dude! I know you love music but YOU are SO GOOD at telling these stories, I'm literally giddy like 10yr old on Christmas morning when I see a ColdFusion notification!
well done, as usual!
cheers mate!
yeah. been here. this channel less 100k subs :))
Thats the reasons why people should watch this channel! When we look to the future we should not forget the past.
tbh i watch this channel only to look to the future
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Yes, this should be watch by people to remind them to not fly away when one of your friend calls you and remind you of important clients will be coming.
The real mistake was made by Apple who should have just licensed their operating system and let third parties build the hardware more cheaply.
Windows and Microsoft would just be a footnote in history.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
If you've ever wondered where the underlying code for Microsoft Windows came from, ponder no longer. Sit back and enjoy the twisting story of Garry Kildall, the man who should have been Bill Gates - a section of my book "New Thinking" out later in the year.
Enjoy!
You should do another one for Xerox Parc and Apple!!
knew of him, now I know about him. great topic & tastefully done.
Well at $240.00 he tried to make TOO MUCH out of his opportunity !!
just a bit of advice: make your branding clear in the thumbnail.
Most peoples' feed is larger than the time they can dedicate to watching videos. Best way to make it clear from the feed is to have a recognizable thumbnail so people don't accidentally overlook your work. think: logo, colour scheme, art style, etc...
just saying cause if I hadn't noticed the channel name; I myself would've missed this one.
Good suggestion, I'll take that on board.
We often say, "This person was responsible for this or that". But, the reality is, these things often take an army and we all stand on the shoulders of giants.
An engine doesn't work without the seemingly smallest incidental part. Think of all the unsung hero's who don't even get the recognition that Gary has.
100000% agree
Also without an engine all the seemingly smallest incidental parts are mostly useless. Just like an army with out a commander.
@@princejohn9630 Cream floats. Their will always be "A commander".
Besides, the "commanders" of this world get more than their fair share of recognition and often, a place in history. The point is, maybe the credit is a little weighted on the side of the striker when a game of soccer takes a team.
And think of all the sociopathic thieves like Gates who stole the intellectual property of the actual creators. These are the group many erroneously refer to as the "elites", rather than the "predators"
Completely agreed. Even if a team of geniuses were to be assembled we need a leader to channel the efforts in the right direction. That's where bill gates came into the show.
Gates's mother was on the board of directors of IBM, maybe that had something to do with it what do you think, just coincidence?
It had everything to do with it.
How convenient
Bill Gates is jew from his mother's lineage.
@@davidgegengoliath3606 It does when there is an obvious pattern that has been trending for centuries.
LMAO You just destroyed the video. HAHA fuckin jagged toothed brit fuck storyteller op
Bless his soul
Gary Kildall will remain alive as long as this Cold Fusion clip stays running :)
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@@marshallabam3335 Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
Wait! First she refused to sign the contract of the century with IBM lawyers, then divorced him? What a snake
Yes, agree! The wife is to blame for by not signing the NDA. Unfortunately Gary didn’t sound like he was a savvy businessman either :(
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@Linda Miscandlon important people coming mean sing it up.what bill gates got todo with it lol
Let's see... Gary wasn't present for the deal even though he was pre-emptively warned about it. Yet he prefered to take a flight on a plane instead. I wouldn't blame her but him for not being able of make it possible. She was being protective as she didn't know completely what their intentions were with the contract and thought was best for them since most lawyers that work for these corporations tend to play dirty. I really wanna take his side but he had a shot and Bill took it for him. As for the divorce, well, I guess you could see that one coming.
@@RajinderYadav My bad. Completely missed that detail. Thought he went flying alone while the wife stayed. Sorry for that.
Thanks!
This video is kind of misleading.
1. QDOS was not a "ripoff" of CP/M. QDOS was created by a company called Seattle Computer Products with the specific purpose of having a CP/M-compatible API - that is to mimic the behavior of CP/M so that software written for CP/M would run on it. Microsoft later licensed QDOS from this company (for actual money), ported it to the IBM-PC and licensed the resulting PC-DOS to IBM and whoever else built an IBM-PC compatible machine and wanted a ready-made operating system for it. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS)
The true genius of Bill Gates (and the reason why Gary Kildall would never become him) was having the foresight to strike the right deal with the right companies at the right time to get in on the ground floor of a phenomenon that was to change the world.
2. MS-DOS would not "eventually become Windows", Windows is a completely different product that initially ran on top of MS-DOS and later became independent from it. Saying that MS-DOS "became" Windows is like saying that you can turn a bicycle into a car based on the fact that both have wheels.
Yes, this is the accurate history.
1) So u mean QDOS is basically a reverse engineered CP/M?
A reverse engineered Intellectual property is KIND OF like a ripoff.
2) A bicycle EVOLVED into a car, the ideas are the same "human sit on top of wheels".
He is just trying to simplify the story.
well said. cheers :))
side note: ms-dos *shell, backbone of windows *windowing environment :)
**dos. dosshell. **windows. window manager of dos. :))
It is how the world works. Someone makes something (lets keep it on topic). Say IBM invents the PC. Prices are very high. Other manufacturers think the markups are very high and they can do better. They buy a PC and reverse engineer it and make a cheaper version. AMD did the same with Intel. So there is nothing new or special about it. IBM also made their own OS. It was called OS/2. Not many people know that nowadays, you can guess why. Gary KilledAll [sic] just did not see it. When Microsoft stopped developing newer versions of MSDOS and concentrated more on Windows he even made a DR-DOS, which was a reversed engineered version of MS-DOS. It was reasonable popular as it had a builtin 'disk doubler'. So the circle was complete. CP/M -> QDOS -> MS-DOS - DR-DOS (as a result of previous Concurrent DOS versions)
For Gary it seems it wasn't to be. When opportunity knocks, you return and land the plane.
Gary rest in Peace.☮️
Dr Kildall was very much the master of his own fate. At each juncture of his story his choices helped defeat him. While a sad tale, no one bares fault in it other than the good doctor himself.
@Victor Ross That’s _not_ true. I had no problem purchasing DR DOS 3.x. At that time you couldn’t purchase MS-DOS, it was only available bundled with the computer. I also had no problem running Windows 3.x on DR DOS, or 4DOS.
Two things: who put the $240 price tag on the CP/M? That's a really dumb move. Also: what the hell was wrong with Gary's wife, not signing the agreement, and then divorcing him for her mistake? Such a low blow.
STILL DONT FORGET GATES STEALING HIS OPERATING SYSTEM .. JUST MAKING BILL GATES A SALESMAN ,, WITH THOSES BILLIONS HE MADE HE LIKELY FOUND A TEAM TO BUILD WINDOWS LIKELY ADDING NOTHING BUT CASH AND RESOURCES TO THE TRUE DEVELOPERS OF MICROSOFT, THEN HAVING THE CONTACTS AND CONNECTIONS TO GET THE PRODUCT TO MARKET FAST !!!
@@lancethrust9488 true, they all did it that way. Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, Musk. All major players are thieves.
Perhaps I misunderstood this part. I thought they just wanted her to sign the NDA so she wouldn't tell anyone that they were there. I don't see how that changed anything.
Because womens are like that.Hate,anger, blaming someone else for their mistakes,lust for money..all package.Just like my ex 😂
@@sasak9794 This ain’t it chief
IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE
"The man who could have been Gary kilDall"
This is probably best comment on this video but man people will miss point
Of view of this comment
Lmao Bill Gates 😂
@Joe Bloggs ,
Get help if you believe any of that.
I could debunk all that crap, but I assume I'd be wasting my time. Proof in word origins. Really? I assume you're implying the vaccination is cover for sterilization. Got ANY proof of that? Any at all? Why aren't all the people with vaccinations becoming sterile then? Sigh.
@Joe Bloggs 666 is actually a good number in numerology. It means redemption. That's why it's the number of the beast. Because the raging psychopaths that run our world somehow believe the right way to be is the opposite of the way the universe actually works.
@Joe Bloggs The point is, is when that number is being communicated to us, it doesn't have the meaning that the psychopaths say it has. For example, a co-worker was freaking out because he was seeing 666 all the time. He thought he was cursed or something. It turns out he was actually calling people in his past that he has hurt to apologize and make amends. He was redeeming himself. It was being communicated to him that he is doing that and to keep doing that. That is the point.
Sadly, Gary dwelled on that one failure too much and didn't look at the contributions he made to society. For those of us that grew up during the personal computer revolution Gary will forever be much more than a footnote.
Back at Uni, my lecturer would say: "a good programmer writes good code, a great programmer steals good code"
Thieves are cool.
And I think it was Steve Jobs who said that "good artists copy, great artists steal."
@@fyiaustralia9686 Steve Jobs attributed that quote to Picasso.
@@minartson Picasso was quoted madam celecie froom the can can bar - th-cam.com/video/coGpmA4saEk/w-d-xo.html
As a developer it is more the case that rather than re-inventing the wheel you use existing code/libraries. You are often being paid by the hour for a project that has a specific release date. Now you can either go back to the basics and use bubble sorting.. Or you can use a sorting library to handle that function. In reality 99% code is essentially modules and routines all attached together to create an application. This is also the basis of OOC (Object Oriented Coding) where each module or routine can be seen as a black box with specific inputs and outputs. What happens inside is of no interest unless it impacts of speed and performance.
Gary also wrote GEM, the Graphics Environment Manager, that was used on the Atari ST and a few other microcomputers. This was written a decade before Windows was usable and had features that are still missing in modern eye candy OSes.
Moral: Don't blow off people because you think they're small time.
Or actually listen to people. Bill literally told him that they were very important people, and he didn't care
@@devin1234 Yeah. That too.
Precisely. Don't ever ignore any single person.
@@devin1234 Businessmen do this on a normal day. Bill got the best deal out of it. Who would pay 75000 for a software in the 1980s when software wasn't even a thing, that it had the potential in the future to make profit, Bill made this shrewd decision. It is this what is significant, more than the meeting at Gary's house.
@@devin1234 yet everyone blames bill. I dont even like microsoft but i dont try and rewrite history. Gary screwed up its not bills fault
May Gary Kildall’s soul Rest in peace 🙏
I was in the Tech industry then & for 35 yrs . It's always this way Apple ,Atari ,Facebook.same story different faces! The programmers never got the market possibilities .
once they had CP/M mojo reversed engineered and figured out, his creator stood no chance.
Just like how they spoiled Steve Job out of his own company... quick recipe for profits.
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I Remember when Gates was yelling at all the users groups about sharing OS's saying we can have an industry if you all just STOP! Well he got to any way I had a job ! Much better when I had my own company don't know if anyone will be able to have your own thing anymore? If you can DO IT! You will be happy!
Because 'tech' guys seldom have the skill set to take advantage of their other skills. Some of us are just satisfied what we can accomplish with tinkering and there is ALWAYS someone out there to capitalize on others.
Psychopaths and narcissists are greedy people. Always be wary folks, that's what they do.
but Gary had the opportunity and blew it.
This story, especially the part where Gates tells Gary to be ready for an important meeting, but couldn't tell him what, changed my LIFE.
I was abroad in South Africa for 3 months when a coworker called me to say that I should drop everything and head back to Austin on the next available plane. I laughed and protested that I simply couldn't, my house was rented for 3 months, my wife was on this journey with me and I couldn't abandon her, etc. He said he couldn't tell me why but I would be "sad" if I didn't come.
I thought about it for a couple hours, and remembered this story. I booked the next flight back to Austin, and turns out our startup had a buyer that wanted to meet the core essential team. Had I not been there they would not have considered me essential and I would have not been part of the buyout. I would have missed out on a lot of money and a big step in my career. I indeed would have been "sad"
that makes no sense. Every startup has contracts for founders, executives, early employees, etc. that outlines what they get in case of a buyout. Doesn't matter where you are located, if a buyout happens you get the benefits as per the contract. No contract, no benefits. Now if you said your presence at the meeting was essential for the buyout deal to happen, then that makes sense. Otherwise anyone's definition of "essential" is irrelevant as long as your contract is in place.
They laid off everybody else after the acquisition except for the "core" team. It's been several years now and my position is the best its ever been while my old colleages have had varying degrees of seccuess/failure.
So Bill Gates was the one who recommended IBM the software of Gary Kildall. It's Gary's fault that he didn't take his chance. I don't think Bill Gates done anything wrong
You're right.
I think bill should have offered him something..
He didn't know what it was. Sometimes you have to make a choice with little information, it's easy to use hindsight. Also Bill Gates didn't reimburse him, even after plagiarising his system.
the point here that coldfusion gave him credit for his work and it was a great video he didn t say about anything that include wrong or right its just a contribution to acknowledge the guy that made the os !!! and because of that i know who realy was the first to solve the problem of os
looks like Gary was a little greedy, why did he sell for 240$ when MS could sell for 40$? I think Bill saw the future and Gary didnt.
I lived through this. Very happy this story lives on. Thanks so much posting the correct history.
You know, genius guys are like that.. extremely moody, extremely generous, extremely confident, extremely self destructive... All at the same time !!
Another story that depicts how human complacency is in fact as deadly as cancer, and again history shows that there are no good or bad people just the smart and complacent ones. Thanks again ColdFusion, I had read about Gary in Paul Allen's "Idea man" but his story wasn't put into focus as you did. Great video.
In the 1930s in Germany after Hitler won a significant portion of the parliament, he was well acclaimed as a smart person despite his anti-Semitic pathos. But then contemporaries regard him as evil but the truth is that he got complacent, disregarded the boundaries of his power and committed the atrocities...which paradoxically aided in propelling Germany to her present day position. Hitler just like any major figure in history in any field is a subjective topic.
Richard Henry, my reasoning here is just deductive. We could sit here all day debating about various personalities in history of whether they were smart or just complacent... It is all subjective!!!
I think paying closer attention to bible verses could benefit all, Especially this; Vengeance is mine says the Lord.
didnt zuckerburg more or less do the same thing
Zuckerberg is the worst. Bill Gates at least for once pointed the IBM to Gary... Gary messed up missing the meeting. Bill Gates bought the software he didn't make the clone.
What people seem to forget is that Bill Gate's mother worked on the board of IBM
and Bill Gates Sr. was very well connected. (and was also on the board of Planned parenthood)
Bill Gates is also a Rockafeller's grandson..
so everything was pretty much set up for him to succeed.
True. Too dumb and ugly to do it on his own.
Hey Gary is related to Ted, relative of Jesus Christ??
@Christy Axel Norman Mark zuckbergs real name is not Jacob Greensberg lmao.
He was smart but also brought up to be hardworking and a RUTHless competitor.
She didn't work for/on IBM!
So sad. I recall driving past his Digital Research business numerous times on Lighthouse Avenue in Pacific Grove, late 70's. He converted an old Victorian house to accommodate his business. Sadly his life ended in a local bar in Monterey, CA. RIP, Gary.
Jeez, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
@@hman0121Fr lol he's so OLD right now please how old are you if you don't mind?
So MS-DOS stands for
Microsoft's Dirty Operating System.. hmm
It was called quick and dirty. Those geeks were already fantasizing back then about how much porn they could download on their laptops so they could avoid engaging with real women.
69th like.
Gary Kildall is like the McDonald's brothers he did not understand the impact what he invented would have on the future
Yes and no, the mcdonald's brothers did not like what mcdonald's is now, no matter how much money it made. Roy Croc totally changed mcdonald's with his powdered shakes and all that shit
Ray Kroc, franchising the company McDonald's that bought his Milkshake machines!
The family only did 2 restaurants..
Good story, but not this story.
Also the guy who invented Kentucky Fried Chicken... :(
Actually Gary KILDALL knew what he had. He was trying to build an industry. He had a PhD in computer science
The problem was he was the antithesis of Gates. Gates wasn't a great technical person but a good opportunistic businessman. KILDALL was a brilliant technical person. He wasn't even a bad businessman. He made some mistakes. IBM had contacted Gates who had some software but no operating system. Gates was dependent on KILDALL for that. CPM.
GATES sent IBM to KILDALL who for whatever reason turned IBM down. He was working on a operating system for the new 8086. Gates panicked but found just down the street in Seattle Tim Paterson who also with KILDALL help developed an operating system. KILDALL wrote several books from which Tim learned. Gates purchased some rights for Tim's work. He then refused to pay royalty to Tim.
@@Benaam007-z5s Actually i was not the shakes at all, Croc had a background in real estate so he combined real estate + franchise to make his business. Mc Donald's real profit comes from real estate not from selling burgers.
Thanks for making this video so much. Lets not fade away Gary's name.
Wow, I remember watching computer chronicles. The 80s was a fun time for computer geeks, new stuff was happening every day.
I have been watching some of the episodes here in TH-cam. Gary looked a very nice, smart and knowledgeable person.
Bill is not evil like 70% of the comments saying. He mentioned his name to IBM it was Gary who missed the perfect opportunity become billionaire + his wife didn't even bother to stay after she realized Gary will never get a 2nd chance of becoming a BILLionaire.
Let's goo, someone who understands!
@@SuperTiaanBro yyeeesssss boii let's goo
@@SuperTiaanBro lets goooooooppooopoooooooooooooo
@@jonasnitz7678 not all women bro I've been on my low my wife didn't left me. She supported me and we got through those sad days.
Finally someone who understands.😏😏😏
Now that's why I'm not buying a private plane...I may just miss the opportunity of a lifetime while flying around.
LOL
I heard he was off on his horse when they called ....
I know people who have two private planes, and use one, and rent the other. It pays for the both of them. Anyone with the money to buy two will end up better off than those who buy one. However; if you only have one definitely rent it out when not in use.
I think the real reason to NOT buy them is the life. If you have enough money, buy a big mansion, build your VR headset lounge and have fun. Or, if you have more money than you know what to do with it, buy a 737 (not the MAX!) and hire good professionals to guide you accross the globe.
Just buy a faster plane? LOL
Just like EDISON stole TESLA's brilliance. I always figured GATES was a complete fraud.
In modern times, anything described as 'innovation' is usually just a term applied as a buzzword to make customers think something was improved upon, but inside the business world, everyone knows it's meaning is 'figured out a way to sell shit that already existed' and generally that applies if you can sell it to people who don't want or even need it. i.e. Bottled water is very VERY innovative.
All's fair in love and business
Grandma got the phone again
Sorry but this wasn't a tragedy, it was Garry and his wife's fault. They didn't take opportunity seriously, and they paid the price for it
I knew bill was evil in 1999 - when my I.T tutor told me that the spreadsheet was invented by a man who put it on the internet for free - evil gates found it and patented it
Nothing is evil if you are far sighted and smart. Everything comes as you see it.
According to Wikipedia he still ended up as a very rich man, owning several sports cars, multiple huge houses, and a private plane. I get you wanted the dramatic effect to end the video, but it's not like he died poor.
He already had planes
He was poor as compared to Bill. He could have bought companies who manufacture sports cars and private jets. And instead of living in a huge house could have bought half a dozen islands for himself. But that’s not how it happened.
He should have threatened to sue Bill. I know that it probably wouldn't have worked, but Bill might have given him a little bit of something-- just to make him go away.
@@letusreason3554 Threatened?? Are you joking? He could and should've sued him without any settlement whatsoever. He had a firm leg to stand on. The foundation of that software is HIS.
Any competent patent/copyright firm would've taken his case and he would've reaped billions.
It's a clear cut case that Gates would have to fork over billions.
Gates got lucky two times in his life big time...one is that Kildall didn't sue and second is that IBM didn't stipulate exclusivity for the software.
@@totalbliss1 ... I agree with you in principal. But this is the real world, and the big deep pockets of Microsoft would have tied him up in knots for years.
But if he would have amicably pursued a settlement with Gates... he would have at least gotten something.
bill sent him an opportunity and he didn't take it seriously, and he didn't price his software competitively his downfall was his fault
blackham7 great men cant make bad decisions?
yikes, denying facts
Everyone believed Cp/m would pull it off with IBM. They had the PL/1 market and matched in technology. I was In Florida and heard of the sales pitch of Bill Gates - and was amazed that IBM sided with him.
nope.. he was a cock.. just like you.
@blackham7: He was a great man, but also flawed. Xaira12 is right, he priced himself out of the market. Wifey didnt exactly help either.
From somebody who lived thru these times when CP/M was king. As evidence of that I can still remember the command tail in CP/M was stored at 100hex. The fact he went flying instead of receiving his IBM visitors was legendary at the time it happened - back then the story was that his ploy was to emphasis his power.
The aspect that hasn't been brought out in this program is that IBM did not want to own the operating system BECAUSE they were going thru an anti-trust suite and it would have been a red flag to own it.
I do feel sorry for Gary Kildall as it would be very hard to have your nose rubbed in the dirt of your own mistake for the rest of your life. Poor bastard.
But then perhaps he might not have had the fore sight to exploit the graphical interface that Xerox pioneered or to give their sacked researchers jobs as Apple and Microsoft did in the firesale.
We will never know. RIP Gary Kildall.
Bill Gates could have been more helpful to Gary/DRI when he called to tell them that he was going to have some important visitors. Or even after IBM got rejected by Gary's wife, and they came to Bill Gates again. Microsoft could have signed a licensing deal with DRI so DRI and Microsoft would both benefit from the deal with IBM. But Bill Gates was a little too greedy for that. And beyond the Microsoft/DRI issue, what about Microsoft buying Q-DOS for $75k? I imagine the creators of Q-DOS are also kicking themselves for selling their OS for such little money. I'm sure Bill Gates didn't tell them anything about Microsoft's plans with IBM, which Gates only knew about under NDA, of course.
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While I'm unfamiliar enough with it to know about an anti-trust suit, if true, I have zero doubts that would be enough for IBM. For a company of their size, swallowing up technologies that are already encumbered with anti-trust would have been the most obvious blunder in the history of PCs.
Honnestly, it was a string of bad luck for him. First, Bill could have been more persuasive. Second, did IBM come out of the blue ? Do they expect for people to stay home all the time in case IBM visits ? Can't they come back the next day ? Third, his wife fucked everything up royally. She was not the secretary of the company, she could have handled it more gracefully, promising that garry is interrested, that he will visit them and sign the paper.
My recollection is it was an arranged visit by IBM execs and he thought he was in a power position. He was at the time and history hadn't shown the list of companies that were dominant, crashing to oblivion.
A building near me is testimony to that. It has been rebadged four times by companies that were once dominant. @@PyromancerRift
His wife left him after realizing he's not gonna be a billionaire like she hoped, and he died in a fist fight in a random bar. Talk about a tragic ending for a once great man.
Wasn't she literally the main reason he did not became a billionaire? Even Gates gave Gary a chance...
After she failed to talk sense and at least sign that first agreement.
Where as Billy Gates was flying in Jefferey Epstein's planes outside of US jurisdictions. Super wealth seems to super-corrupt. Although I cannot attest to the fact.
Did not know about this till now even thought I have heard of Gary’s company. Why the wife left, honestly we won’t know as we were not there. When a man spirals down, its tough for the entire family, ain’t easy for the family. It’s a mixture of wrong time, wrong place and maybe there was not hunger? Well whatever it might be, a good lesson in life to be entrepreneurial...stay safe and stay masked folks. Cheers!
He didn't die in a fist fight. He fell at a bar (according to his own account anyway), and had a brief hospital stay. The "bar brawl" theory has also been highly disputed by scholars despite his own testimony that he simply fell. He died days later in his home from heart failure. There's been speculation that the heart failure MAY have been connected to the head injury somehow, but there has been no link or any evidence of such. To recap: he sustained a minor head injury at a bar. He stated that he fell. Witnesses stated that he fell. Scholars also deny there was a fight, and there has been no evidence or eyewitness corroboration that there was a fight. He had a brief hospital visit related to the injury and went home. He died several days later from heart failure. The "dying in a fist fight at a bar" makes a great tragic end for our hero in a TH-cam video story, but it's demonstrably false.
The moment when you miss opportunity and someone else grabs it, at least bill forwarded to him
ikr, it was kind of fair game
Bill's approach was sneaky, cryptic, and intimidating. He set Gary and his wife up for failure without appearing to be the bad guy.
@@browncatwithblurredbackgro2461 He couldn't have told him who exactly was going to visit him due to the non-disclosure agreement he had signed. BIll Gates risked being sued if he told him.
@@browncatwithblurredbackgro2461 How exactly did he do that? I'm struggling to join the dots on that conclusion based on the content of this video.
@@browncatwithblurredbackgro2461 He told Gary to treat them right, Gary didn't. That's Gary's problem. Remember the NDA that Gary's wife didn't sign? If she had signed it, She and Gary would have been a lot happier. So Bill told them and Gary/wife blew it. I remember thinking I was going to buy CP/M for my first PC but when I saw the prices? "Hey Gary, this was not 1978 anymore" is what I thought. I should say I had paid almost $300 for my first copy of CP/M two or three years earlier for two S100 PC's I had put together with some soldering on my own.
Success does not always favor the smartest, but the one with the vision and daring to succeed.
@thespACEchannel Not necessarily. Aside from money, most PCs still have Windows OS. I'd call that a success.
Being a cut throat opportunist devoid of empathy also helps.
@@Bernacide Not really, Bill himself referred Gary to IBM. Gary screwed up.
@@Bernacide Monty is a Normy. You are an elevated Normy. Let's ride the elevator up together
Or the one willing to lie and backstab.
While these facts were happening I had been working for years as a
programmer in Honeywell and then on Cromemco systems. First in CPM and
then, with multitasking, in Cromix (Cromemco Unix).
As far as I can remember what is said @7:08, it was sort of a well known
fact among sw producers at the time, since anyone who knew CPM
understood immediately what DOS was.
For example Gary Kildalls CPM used "PIP" (Peripheral Interfacing
Program) where MS used the "COPY" command which was identical to PIP [it
was also used to print files EXACTLY as in CPM] but with inverted
parameters (source destination).
Everyone in our software house thought it was a quick and easy way to
make MS-DOS look as different as possible from the one it was ripped
from!
I still remember the screams and tears of the secretaries realizing that
they had just accidentally destroyed a week's work by copying over it
the contents of the previous week's security copies using the DOS "COPY"
instruction with the CPM "PIP" syntax they where used to!
It kept happening for a while... certainly MS-DOS was destined to leave a
mark in computer history!
how 1 decision can literally change your whole life
I recently heard that we, on average, make about 35,000 decisions each day - so there is a lot of room for error.
Died in a fistfight... at a biker bar?
I never saw that coming.
"I never saw that coming."
The dude who died didn't see it coming either.
@@jshanker2005 Well because he did not. Gary was race car driver yaht owner. He had a high value Harley Davidson. Wen to a bar and fell down. No one knows if he was hit or just fell. He went to the hospital and died days later.
I read he had a full Harley garb and stopped at the wrong bar full of rival biker gangs. They killed him, wrong place at the wrong time
Jose Gonzalez No one know he was in Franklin Street Bar & Grill. He was standing fell down. Went to the hospital, a few times over weekend and died on Monday. He refused medial treatment at first. Gary was race car driver, pilot. He has need for speed not brand loyalty he had multiple bikes.
@@bigtexuntex7825 He did go hospital and died in the hospital. The issue was he went too late.
Bill 'quick and dirty' Gates. Not much has changed.
@Christy Axel Norman Right please go back to your cave.
I love how you present things, the music theme plus the robot phone voice effect that causes such a sense of nostalgia on listener.
Congratulations for the work. It's all simple, clean, direct and well composed.
Cheers
Don’t forget Bill Gates’s mom was on the board of IBM when he got that first contract -lol
Wow lol
Christy Axel Norman The first one Mary Maxwell Gates of course. Can't be the second wife Mimi Gardner because she would be 12 year old when Bill Gates was born.
It’s who you know. Networking is important
So what you’re saying is that Bill’s mom basically slept with every single IBM board member (both male and female) to get that deal over the line.
@Levi im so glad u mentioned that coz it does matter. I read Bill Gates book: The road ahead. but i didnt know his mom was on the board. all he says is that his mom and other moms got them a computer at their school.
CPM was one of the most reliable and stable operating systems ever built.
No, that is UNIX. CPM was based on UNIX.
Ever since I subscribed to your channel I'm beginning to understand how business in tech works.
Bless you man. This is made me cry. Such a nice thing to do making this video
That's how life works, sometimes you didn't open the door for the opportunity of your life!
As an older coder, I was around when this happened. I also saw the code, cp/m's internal structure, register use, vector calls, parameter definitions were all copied without changes when MS Dos launched. I also had disassembled CP/M 8080 source in assembler. Yes, I think MS stole it. At the time, they denied the obvious evidence. I don't think they have ever admitted to this crime.
TFW who cares about this proprietary shit
Linux already took over server and supercomputer market, now thanks to grass-roots power users it's spreading into desktops. Maybe in 5 years there'll be enough Linux games, so users switch and this shit is done
Intellectual property law allow businesses to "mimic" software functionality, provided they write their own code. Obviously this is a grey area because lawyers have to determine what is a copy and what is a rewrite. Gates purchased a CPM rewrite from a nearby developer for $70K ( as I recall ) .
If someone make a new brand of cars, of course it will had 4 wheels, an engine, a body and fuel tank, your point?
Strange. I have yet to find the fuel tank on a Tesla or the fourth wheel on a Robin. And don't get me started on the lack of body of some cars.
Youwut mate lol linux is never becoming mainstream for because people are now used to Microsoft shit. Linus Torvalds himself admitted that linux failed precisely because its not unified. The kernel is, sure. But the kernel is only a part of the bigger piece. Right now, the best shot of a mainstream GNU/Linux OS is Ubuntu and even Ubuntu is not that friendly for a layman. I'll point out 2 specific reasons why Linux based OS will not be a hit in the Desktop sector. Firstly, the reason why Windows is so popular is because it's the default OS in laptops and premade desktops. Most people just buy a PC from the shop and be done with it. Not everyone likes messing with the OS and people are certainly not going to go out of their way to install a new OS. For most of the things, Windows does the job and in some cases like office suite and gaming, its better than Linux. There is no significant reason for an average user to switch. Secondly, installing software in linux is still terrible. There is no single package manager. Sure there is an app installer but it only has popular software. Any other 3rd party software and you have to go to command line or add repositories to the software installer. Contrary in Windows, you open the exe file and click next. It usually is a 2-3 click process. There isn't remotely anything user friendly like this in Linux. People complain about the lack of software but that is least of the problems. Once the user base is there, the software will follow. The problem is how to establish the userbase. Apple did this by providing really good user friendliness, cool branding, an functioning ecosystem around its PC and other products, security (linux does this too) and quality first party apps like Garageband, iMessage/Facetime, iCloud, iWork, a unified app store for developers to sell their software and most importantly, bundling their OS with their PCs. The day Linux comes preinstalled with laptops and starts appealing to mass market with some relevant benefits, it will dominate the PC market. I really wish that would happen because I am really tired of Microsoft's bullshit.
Sorry for the wall of text :)
My first computer was a Heathkit H89, running HDOS on hard sectored floppy disks. I later upgraded (?) to CP/M.
Today I am retired from programming Mainframe computers. Good times. 👍
I built an H-89 also, pretty good bang for the buck at the time.
"Whatever befalls you was never going to miss you and whatever missed you was never going to come to you."
I like that. Very wise.
Wow! I read about this story in 1998.. You did a much better job telling it Dagogo. Nice work! RIP Gary
I was born in 1998
The hell does dagogo
Thabang Tukule i was in computer science in 98 at the peak if the .com bubble and graduated a few years later right when it collapsed. Doh!
BR0TH3R TUB3 Dagogo Altraide is the brains behind these videos at cold fusion.
Wow, watched these videos for a while no, but I had no idea Dagogo was his name, I hear "indagogo" but never thought what was meant by it.
LESSON FROM LIFE : WE cant live with LIES for LONG.
The world is full of stories of missed opportunities, and 'what ifs'. The deciding factor is usually the individual with a vision and shrewd business sense. Steve Wozniak openly admits that even though he is the designer of the Apple 1&2, Apple would not exist without Steve Jobs. Xerox PARC could have been Apple, but Steve Jobs had the vision to see the value of their technology. I could have been a multi-millionaire today if I had the vision in 2005 to hold onto my 2000 shares of Apple at $18/shr before their cumulative 14:1 stock split and skyrocketing success of the iPhone and iPad. It takes more than just being in the right place at the right time. You have to really understand what you are looking at.
Or you should have invested half the money that you got selling the shares in Bitcoin and then you would have been a multi billionaire
he would of lost his money, too
Steve Jobs didn't have the vision to utilize the technology pioneered and developed by a group within Xerox. The people who made those machines were light years ahead. Nobody outside of Xerox had anything remotely like their GUI. PCs of the time were still using cursor keys and old fashioned menus to manipulate their data & games. Steve Jobs was pretty good at stealing other people's brilliance to pass it off as his own. He freely admitted to that.
It was the failure of the leading paper copying company to pay heed to the creations they sought to investigate in the first place. Story goes it was Xerox who was worried about a "paperless" office as their whole business relied on it. Besides without Wozniak there would be no Apple. He is the true genius behind that company. Did Apple employees hate him? Get him ejected from his own company? Nope...that special feat was reserved for supreme ass Jobs himself. Who went on to make a failed PC company at NeXT.
Alien Soup AMEN. I was fortunate enough to meet Steve Wozniak in person about a month ago and it humbled the fuck out of me. Made me realize that he’s a human being. More than anything it made me realize that Steve Jobs wasn’t a tech genius. He just made it pretty and sold it well. Vision is so important in the realm of technology these days because virtually anything you can think of is within grasp - it’s just a matter of intelligent use of the resources at hand. Yes, it may take many years. But we’re already on the brink of a mass market for space expeditions. Life is so crazy. The most exciting time in all of human history and we get to be a part of it.
Alien Soup, hindsight is always 20/20.
I worked for a startup for almost four years and left them four months before they got sold to a tech giant. I lost hundreds of thousands in stock options, which were worthless when the company was private.
This is one of my favourite Cold Fusion videos.
Great video man. Never knew of a man called Gary Kildall, although I am a computer engineer myself! Thanks for throwing some light on a very important but historically forgotten topic! Enjoying all of your videos. Do continue. Cheers.
And microsoft always complaints about "illegal copies of their software"
Technically all copies of Microsoft software are illegal because Microsoft copied all their software from other people
Because they know what copying software can do to them, because they did it themselves; and it indirectly killed a man
just like how Warner Music Group complains about illegal copies of music on TH-cam translated from MP3 files.
and didja know that Gary Kildall died on Suzanne Vega's 35th birthday, because Vega is "mother of the MP3".
Vega and Kildall are both KEY PLAYERS in computer technology.
Yeah, tell me about it.
It seems that the only people that actually care about software piracy and illegal copies are the ones that were involved in shady grey area tactics in the beginning themselves.
The music industry is a total joke.. after all, it's not THEIR music. The aren't the artists who write it, they just want the money for selling it. Most artists, if they haven't been utterly screwed over by the contract that the record industry provided them (hmm, unlikely eh), they are happy with what they got..
Metallica and Napster was the ultimate fucking piss take - Metallica's first album 'Garage Inc' was alluding to the fact that the band started off by practicing in a garage, and they got popular in their neighbourhood through word of mouth when people copied tapes for one another.. The Napster if its day was hope taping and sharing.. They got mega famous and rich off that. Then they shit all over it for MORE money after they got famous and mega rich.
@@MOSMASTERING concerning Napster, well, Suzanne Vega was signed to A&M Records prior to the 2000s, but when A&M Records turned against Napster, Vega switched to the Blue Note label, and sometimes I wonder if that decision to switch to a different label was connected to that drama, seeing as Vega was regarded as 'mother of the MP3', also noting all the MP3 files Napster distributed.
Do you know what Bill Gates' wife said to him on their wedding night? "Oh, now I know where the name, 'Microsoft' came from."
Rofl 😂😂😂
that was funny
Tf 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol dang wish I would have thought of that one. Good job. Yes he stole windows.
😆
Thank you for telling us this important person in the computer history.
Proof that real genius is a curse, not a blessing. The cemeteries are filled with the bodies of those who were killed by unscrupulous people with superior business skills.
A real genius just needs a partner who is the unscrupulous businessman, like Wozniak had his Jobs.
Gotta study both engineering and business!
I guess most business tycoons have their own dirty little secret. But in the public eye they present it like they thought of the idea themselves.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
By now I am surprised that Bill Gates is still trusted.
justcurioustexas only by those in on it or uninformed.
Bill Gates stole technology from others and used contracts to protect himself from the rightful creators of "his" technology.
justcurioustexas He’s not go to his Instagram thisisbillgates not one good comment. His people are deleting 40,000 a day.
Not by me he’s not.
@@ilovesuisse1 Good for you! Trust your instincts.
I watched Computer chronicles every saturday morning from 1987 through 1990 skipping cartoons but I never knew Gary Kildall was one of the early hosts. That is very interesting
@SaltyBrains I didn't know who he was then so his appearance didn't stick in my mind I guess
I remember having a copy of DR-DOS which was Digital Research's version of DOS back in the 90's. It was the best version of DOS I ever used until Windows 95 came out.
Indeed, I was using diagnostic software in the 2000s that ran on top of DR-DOS (bootable media).
Look into the AARD code scandal.. basically it gave a BS error message when developers ran the beta version of Windows 3.1 on top of DR-DOS.
I have watch too many docs about Tesla, but this genius can`t be forgotten!
There's the butterfly effect, how one mistake can lead to a series of chain reactions.
Yeah, but let's blame Bill right?
Yash Arya When perhaps a family wants to get rid of you.
Pieter Auper lets indite bill
Gets to show that every opportunity should be viewed as if it was potentially life changing. Never know when you're gonna miss one.
I don't feel bad for the guy, I mean, This is business, and bill gave him a chance, he called him, he said it was important and this guys just didn't care. He wasn't cut out for this type business anyway. And "essentially a ripoff" is not the same as pirating it. A lot of software/games are a ripoff of another but that's still 100% legal.
Gary was business man. He met with IBM that day and after the Wife sent the NDA to the lawyers Gary refused to sign it when he came home later that day. Also after the failure in 1981 his company profit doubled.
tech-insider.org/personal-computers/research/1983/0221.html
Imagine how the world would be today if Gary was at home that day, psycho Bill might not have been here for world domination 🤦🏻♂️
It's been in the plans for a long time
Gary made his choice. He was told to expect company but he didn't care so he went about doing his own thing. Innovator and leaders have the foresight to recognize opportunity. Gary had no vision and turned out to be exactly what you would expect a talented visionless person to be.
You can bet that other business he was attending to was satan in disguise...
Who's to say Gary would have turned out any better.
Note to self, if you time travel go here first.
Though I knew all this story, I liked its presentation and really like the takeaway lesson at the end, to make the most of every opportunity.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I could not disagree more: Kildall was even informed that the visitors would be very important. What else could Gates have done? Instead he does not show up for the meeting. All well deserved.
"Refused to sign an NDA"... totally agree with you, Kildall and his COO (Mrs. Kildall) really brought this upon themselves with a total lack of business sense.
Don't see any wrongdoing by Gates, he sent IBM to Digital Research, and they didn't want to play ball. IBM obviously wanted to work with another company and that was Microsoft.
@@garyt123 I'm not too sure on how to feel on the NDA part as it's glossed over and we aren't privy to the discussions and how much Mrs Kildall knew about the impact of these people. So I can't lay the blame too much on her... Kildall on the other hand was completely at fault here though. The man was given IBM on a silver platter by Bill Gates and he basically dismissed it in fact him suing IBM was really just him being sour grapes at missing an opportunity. If a friend calls you beforehand some important folks are coming you make sure you're there! Even *if* it was some small two bit company instead of IBM it's still a business opportunity!
Brilliant guy, way too nice. CPM was a great operating system and he truly was the a great person.
IT was the first operating system I used. I ran a business off micro pro software and Aston Tates DEBASE II.
The flurry of really bad software following IBM entry into the micro computer business killed off the inovators . As always, MONEYTIZIN !
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I used it briefly way back when, on some early notebook my Dad brought home... I couldn't tell the difference from DOS. There was no way for me to find out connections between the two in the early 80s.
Bill is like Steve jobs in the sense that they are business people first and foremost... they find geniuses, and try to low-ball them.
@@GregMoress Bill Gates = #FriendsOfEpstein
Too nice? He died in a bar fight.
This is the history of great "inventors" or "entrepreneurs", tesla vs edison, wozniak vs jobs, allen and kildall vs gates, musk vs all the guys who actually came with tesla and all the people who actually do something at space x, question a business man about the tesla vs edison thing and you'll see if they actually care about what they doing or they're there to make money off of other's work
Wozniacki vs Jobs? are you being serious? Wozniack was never against Jobs they were partners until the end and Wozniak is a very rich man today
@@josecarlosxyz are you kidding? Jobs died a billionaire, woz is not even close even tho he did the hard part and jobs even fucked him over. A lot of people knows who jobs was, not a lot of people outside of tech knows who woz is and how important his work is, much like the ones who actually created things that thomas edison stole the credit for. The comparison between edisom vs tesla is not meant to address their rivalry in business but the two personalities of someone who actually cares about what they doing and those who are pricks, who steal ideas and credit.
Albert Einstein Mileva Einstain his wife actually have a lot of innovation, theory Albert Einstein is a thief
@@nenaradicevic8079 back then few women received credit … and Einstein certainly had his shortcomings … the other lady of that era struck it big when she married the right guy … and was recognized for her work
@@pymyriad She study with him in Suisse secretly she was a coauthor of his theory and it is not secret anymore for Science community She was better than him scientist but they have two sick children and she was behind him
wow what an impactful story. Make the most of every opportunity.
Allegedly: Microsoft was a shell company setup buy Bain Capital when ran by MIT Romney. Bill Gates was chosen to run it as he was from a trusted Federal Reserve Banking system family. Bill Gates was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Gates fixer attorney Boris Nikolic was named as an executor on the estate of Jeffrey Epstein.
I met Gary in 1993 , didn't know it was him at the time, but he came to a Robot Group meeting in Austin. I did remember seeing a Porsche 911 in the parking lot which was unusual, but anyone could park in that lot for the businesses on that block on S. Congress. RG had a weekly meeting and after the meeting I do remember a pretty drunk guy bending my ear on how the next big thing was going to be TeleDildonics :) Sort of fits in with the robot theme of the meeting I guess. We talked for a while, bouncing some goofy ideas around before he took off. No idea who he was at the time, not until several years later did I connect the dots when I saw a picture of him and remembered the Porsche. And that he could hold a pretty in depth conversation about modems, latency, servomechanisms while slurring most of it.
I'd loved to have talked more with him. I started out with an Altair 8800, and of course Bill Gate's 4K BASIC. My machine could never run CP/M as it only had 32K or RAM and a 71K floppy drive, CP/M needed more RAM and at least a full size 8" disk for it's OS. But I did work with CP/M and MP/M (multi-user CP/M) Altos and Ohio Scientific systems when I was in High School as a technician . It's sad the alcoholism took him, CP/M was somewhat Open, all the low-level IO and OS functions had Source so you could port it to any machine. I could see it running on smaller embedded systems like Arduinos or some of the ARM systems of today.
I remember being part of a small group advocating MP/M as the obvious choice for its greater potential.
Way back when I was a HS tech, I worked on Altos systems with MP/M, they were nice, had 8" HDD and 4 users in a 4U sized long chassis. They also had Mini systems in an Altair sized chassis.
Over time, I feel more and more that Gates isn't the villain here: Not only did he initially pass up the "Greatest Deal in History" (he could have bought that CPM clone right away) but he went out of his way to give it to Kildall by directing IBM to him specifically even though Kildall was a competitor, afterwards he even personally tipped Kildall off IBM was coming - risking a lawsuit by potentially breaching his NDA with IBM. Gates then waited until negotiations between IBM and Kildall had failed and IBM came back to him with the problem of not having an OS. Realistically, what more could Gates have done here? Just let the company that made clone have the contract and reward them for being a bunch of lousy thieves?
totally on the side of gates here, told gary some important people were coming, he passed up the opportunity, so did the wife, its just stupidity. gates deserved it more
@@omarsaletovicprins9632 I think crucial pieces are missing - from what I was told back then, Paul Allen at a crucial moment was instrumental in keeping the connection between IBM and Microsoft in order.
without the MS+IBM deal existing (and specifically the way it was written) there likely wouldnt be a clone market. this means that whatever decision making happened it would not have factored in clones as a given.
How are the cloners thieves bur not gates?
They deserve it if it's what they made.
I couldn't agree more. Gates informed the guy, it's Kildall's fault he decided to play dumb and stand up the IBM guys. The wife too f*cked up by turning down that agreement. Oh well.
There is so much bull shit in these comments
IBM went to talk to Bill Gates because of his Basic Interpreter - which Microsoft had created for the Altair. They thought he had an OS. He tells them he doesn't and they need to talk to Gary.
Gary's wife was the business person for the company - so she would have made the decision regardless of whether Gary was off flying his plane or not. IBM wants her to sign a non-disclosure deal - that was a one way thing. They could do whatever they wanted - but she couldn't do anything or tell anyone about it. She had something to lose. CP/M was the biggest OS in the 8 bit world. She didn't trust IBM so she wouldn't sign. The IBM guys didn't know what to do - because they weren't allowed to tell her why they were there - unless she signed.
So, IBM goes back to Bill and Microsoft is like - "OK - we will get you an operating system." They go to Seattle Computer Products - which they knew had an OS for their own 8086 boards - and bought it. Patterson didn't just rip CP/M off entirely but may have used some of it. In any case - what was done and wasn't done - was between Seattle Computer Products and Digital Research.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Paterson
In any case - Microsoft wasn't just ripping off CP/M. Microsoft bought a product from SCP - then began modifying it - and that is what IBM bought.
Now - the big thing here - was that Microsoft reserved the right in their contract with IBM to sell their OS to other companies. IBM's attitude was that all the money was in the hard ware - so they knew about that - but didn't care. THEN all these clone makers came along and THAT is what made Microsoft rich.
As noted in this video - there was a version of CP/M for the IBM but as pointed out - it cost $240 instead of $40 for the MS OS - so most people bought the cheap one. THAT is what did Digital Research in. The other thing was - Microsoft had more than just an operating system - and developed a whole line of other software and hardware products.
I was there for much of this, watching as a consumer as it happened and what happened over and over again - was some company would become King of the Hill - then screw up - and get replaced by some one else. For example, in Word Processor Software - you had Word Star - then Word Perfect and then Microsoft Word. Each one being King of the Hill for a while (and I do mean KING) but screwing up and being replaced.
A lot of these incidents were because of bad business decisions - not technology. THAT is one of reasons Bill Gates was so successful. He was not only a good technical person - but - he was also a good business man.
People like to look at single incidents and say that these were the turning points - but it's not really true. Had Gary Kildale's wife signed that NDR - it doesn't mean he would have been what Bill Gates became. For one thing - there was nothing to stop Microsoft from buying that OS from SCP and developing it. We just won't ever know what IBM would have done - or what would have happened when all those clones came along. The clones were made possible because IBM used off the shelf components - so - anyone else could - and did - do the same thing. With MS selling an OS for $40 and DR for $240 - things just might have ended up the same way they did.
I was there for most of this too. Good old Bill. The things he would say to me...
agree with you, best commet
There's a lot of truth in this comment,it wasn't because of MS that made Gary go down.
The decision to make your price higher for basically the same OS killed his chances.
@Bob Smith Excellent comment! I completely agree with you. Bill Gates did what he could do, legally, to do business. He didn't steal anything, nor cheated anyone. If the guy didn't see the opportunity coming (even with a heads up) then someone else would, and this someone else happens to be Bill Gates.
especially if we have a look on the value of 200USD back in the days..
In the Seventies, I wrote an extensive article about a Windows Registry data structure. When Windows 3.1 came out, they adopted the same data structure I had described in my article.
Links or it didn't happen.
Sure you did buddy
@@SalveMonesvol So much time has passed ...
Sld 😆
Maybe it was obvious
Great video, Dagogo!
"MS never mentioned that their deal was non-exclusive..." Yeah sure. because IBM's lawyers, the same that made you sign an NDA even just for looking at the logo, would just not read an agreement, and never notice a tiny little thing like "non exclusive". It is as if your mechanic would miss your car lacking wheels....
Stefano Papaleo people tend to overlook the simplest things. Lawyers are people too. Especially when it comes to new technologies. No one knew this was gonna be so important.
Of course. IBM as a company missed the greater importance of software, and a software standard, in future years. They didn't realize what they were giving up, and never would have happened if they did.
Plus they were dealing with a young boy, not a savvy businessman, or another team of lawyers. They were IBM, they practically owned the world.
And probably Bill has the best poker face ever, because he knew exactly how important those little details are.
You guys are missing the point. I am not arguing that IBM overlooked the importance of software licenses, and the future of PC, and though they had made a great deal. I already read about this story 20+ years ago, knew who Kildall was, and used both CP/M and MS DOS etc.. My point is that the video says that MS never *mentioned* the non-exclusivity nature of the deal, and that is - obviously - BS. Don't get me wrong, I like Dagogo but here the whole thing is misleading and makes no sense. Just like IBM dropping CP/M because the guy was not home.
These 'myths' are nice and charming but the are just myths, because companies, like nations, need a good origin story, with heroes and villains and fascinating adventures. The real world is another thing, much more boring, and much more PRAGMATICAL.
So no, you don't get to be the biggest tech company of that time by overpaying fat retainers to legal teams who OVERLOOK a non-exclusivity clause, nor you cut deals shaking hands etc. You obsviously carefully draft WRITTEN CONTRACTS and you x-ray them before you sign them. IBM simply was not that hot about personal computing, and therefore thought that clause was unimportant, they were not in the dark about that. Or you think IBM was like an almost illiterate low-wage worker who blindly signs a mortgage agreement with no clue?
And Intel's lawyers would never let AMD be able to make their own x86 processors because they forgot to say they couldn't. Legal loopholes exist.
I admire Gary Kildall a lot, he developed CP/M, GEM, the CDROM driver.... he was a brilliant engineer. What he wasn't was a business and marketing person. He should've hired a "suit" - his own Bill Gates or Sculley type to run the company and gone out and been more cut throat. GEM should've been on ever PC and windows should've never happened. DOS was good, but CP/M had the potential to have been better. He literally gave away the CD-ROM driver. He was a great guy, but very business foolish.
So the suit he hires can then take advantage of him probably in the end, too. It seems good business people are rare then, much like psychopaths. I hate how we blame these unsuspecting people who had no idea what could happen, for being taken advantage of. We could all easily fall victim, we should stand up for them instead of justifying those who take advantage.
@@craigjensen6853 why don't you life in a farm, or isolated village somewhere in Africa,
you will be happier there, you won't see any windows
not everyone shared your opinion you know, there many people life benefit so much from
microsoft os and software,
without windows, people still wasting energy working inefficient
@@craigjensen6853 I remember a time before the standardized IBM, Microsoft, Windows and believe me it was not pretty. Multiple small computers each with their own address spaces. Nothing standard so to develop software you needed at least 4 computers to recompile on. Constant issues with incompatibilities.
@@jensenraylight8011 A big part also came about with easy to work with computer languages. Before Visual Basic and it's drag and drop form you spent weeks going through the MFC until you finally got a little "Hello World" application.
I've been a programmer since 1975 so I should know the history because I LIVED it.
Bill and Melinda Gates remind of that couple in Breaking Bad that got succesful off of Walter White's back
Hit the nail on head there!
Sorry it was Gary's arrogance that cost him. Bill Gates point IBM to him and he just brushed them off. Gates so the potential took advantage of it.
That's probably where they got the idea
Remind me of thomas edision stealing tesla idea too
The thumbnail for this video is Bill Gates in 'come to bed honey' mode? Sex sells computers?
Thank you for introducing us with this legend. We can learn many things from this story.
I don't understand why IBM didn't first approached Gary , since Gary had already invented CP/M ?
I am pretty sure there’s more about BGates that we don’t know.
Pleasantly surprised to see so many people onto the vile Gates. By the way, Melinda is a bloke.
@Martyr4JesusTheChrist Wow, what a turnoff.
You are mistaking Melinda for Big Mike.
@Martyr4JesusTheChrist you sure got a bug in yer ass, replies citing 'moron' and 'idiot' make a good reflection of the respondee.
Yeah, Bill gave Gary a chance
@Martyr4JesusTheChrist it's just distractions brother. These people are literally working for the enemy without realizing it. Dont waste your Pearl's on the pigs brother.
Bill Gates did a heck of a lot more for Gary than he was obligated to. Not only did he send IBM to him in the first place, but he actually called and reminded Gary how important it was that he be there. Gary's own arrogance is to blame for all of what happened afterwards... A sad story, but life is all about being able to take the opportunity when it presents itself....just as Bill Gates did..
I was thinking the same thing! Nobody in their right mind would have passed on an opportunity that big!
that's not his only blunder. Why did Gary charge 240$ for his OS, when gates charged only 40$ for his OS?? They were practically the same damn operating systems. To me, this shows that gary had a poor business acumen, and probably would not succeed in the business of computing and operating systems by himself no matter how many great opportunities came his way. Gates on the other hand was highly technically savvy AND business savvy...he was made for the tech business and that's why he came out on top.
You forgot to add how Microsoft added fake warnings that if CP/M was detected the machine wouldn’t run right... or to that effect.
This comment makes no sense. Only one operating system would've been install at a time so how could DOS display messages that it detected another operating system?
I'm not sure if that was even a thing back then (dual boot that is)When installing w98 or W95 or vice versa it simply would not install on the drive having an existing install of either,so I highly doubt this comment lol.
Unless there's some kind of drivers missing to support certain hardware and that being indicated while installing.I never worked with 80's OS's so I have no clue.
Knowing Microsoft it is possible - did they also have a hand in the demise of WordPerfect - perfectly time with the launch of Win 95
This is so sad...
Why is it sad? The guy was busy flying his private plane, I find it difficult to feel too sorry for him.
Adam Saleh History is littered with good coders pioneers like Linus who created Linux...although genuises at coding they lacked any business sense or ambition thry did it for the love of it more than huge financial gain. Bill had unusually the combination of being a coder geek and an extremely ambitious competitive personally and shrewd business mind, at exactly the right time. Gary dropped the ball and Bill quickly picked it up and kept running full speed.
@@paullangton-rogers2390 Bills family are satanists and nazis. And Bill is a woman. Transgendered like all the tell lie vision stars/fallen Angel's
@@pegsol And Hitler is living in my basement.
@@Mii.2.0 nice tell him I said hi
Charging $240 for a floppy disk? That doesn't make sense when the other player in town is charging $40.