iFlight Titan XL5 / is 820 grams too heavy for a freestyle quad?
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Is 820 grams too heavy for a freestyle quad? How much better would that quad fly if it was 100, 150 grams lighter? That's the question we're talking today with the iFlight Titan XL5.
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It's a chunker, but I've smashed mine into the ground more times than I can count and it's still works perfectly...
Same here! I like how robust it is
It’s the only quad in my fleet that still runs. I have the analog version and the F4 stack is rock solid as well.
Yup a tank. Love it and will buy more frames
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I like big quads and I cannot lie. You other brothers can't deny. That when Bardwell walks in with a Titan xl5 and a go pro in your face you get sprung.
That's what i'd call a cinematic freestyle kwad. The extra weight is really nice when you are chasing something. as the quad feels more locked in the line. I regularly fly my custom 800+ grams XL5 to get those sick chasing shots of rc planes and I'm very happy with it. It's something you can't do with a 3inch or cinewhoop and it is harder to do (at least smoothly) on a light kwad. My 2 cents.
Great review/tip
Also just saying, it's written as "quad" :)
Edit: wrote "quad wrong the first time"
I loved seeing you talking to you family! It makes the videos so much more human
(not that they usually aren’t)
DAAAMMNN JB. That’s the most aggressive flying I’ve seen from you yet’
I watched most of the video, but didn't catch if you said if this was the 4s or 6s version?
I wonder if a few years down the line we will see a video series called "Teaching my son how to fly a quad!" or something along the lines :D
I have one of these. Take off all the plastic and GPS and you'll save quite a bit of weight. Stick on the Air unit with a zip tie and sticky tape. DJI so Definitely skip the gopro. It's nice to have indestructible arms
Well... Compromises, right? We need to choose wisely what we want. 😬
Great flying, Joshua!!! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
It's so cute when his kids show up in the video. I have a 5 year old myself and he'd be all over me if I were making TH-cam vids.
In a year or two your kid can have a youtubechannel :)
My son is 11 and have started flying and we made him a channel. He havent much stick time yet, but he's proud :)
@@Mekanikern Yeah, my son already wants his own TH-cam channel--but he wants to make Minecraft and Pokemon videos lol.
Its meant to be a cinematic kwad not for freestyle. I have one and love it
th-cam.com/video/Z_GUIF9yS2Y/w-d-xo.html
What makes it a cinematic quad? Mine weights 660 grams with a gopro hero 6, flies much better than my previous 710 grams. And I get to fly longer because of the weight.
I love it. It is my new go to. And its amazing. 2306 smoox motors on the way. Ive made a few vids with this quad with 2306 2750 kv. On 6s and motor output limit to 65 throttle limit 90. Esc rampup is 18... 24 min 48max its sick.
The most reliable reviewer seems to be an excellent pilot now two after three packs a day. I wish I could fly three packs a day.
This one was my first 5 inch DJI quad. I love taking it out and cruising with no go pro. I get around 6 min and about 1 mile range with the xm+. Plus the drone is throttle limited to 70 percent you need to change this in beta flight then try the punch outs.
One mile range with XM+ is impressive.
I can 100% confirm that my XL5 was not throttle limited when I received it or when it was flown in this video. This is 100% throttle.
You get 1 mile with an XM+? Ive never gotten close to that with an XM+
@@JoshuaBardwell maybe it was only on the 6s version? They state it in the description of the quad on their site. When I changed it in beta flight noticed a big difference. Thank you for the video sir you have been so helpful.
@@sugasheeze Yea I use the Jumper T8SG v3 carbon and stuck a 5db antenna on it using the deviation software 150mw setting.
Gabe M is being honest. He has a video on his channel with him going 1 mile out with a xm+ on his channel. Impressive.
Nothing better than quality time together, even if you are filming lol.
I prefer the "float" and momentum of my 730ish grams.
I like the feel of "maneuvering a battleship" or "tank".
Just personal taste tbh.
Huh, my 5" quad weighs around 780 with a gopro. Haven't flown anything lighter yet but it feels great. I might have to build a stripped down 5" optimized for weight to see a different view.
You need to try a lighter setup. My freestyle quad weighs 498g and it flat out hauls and my batteries don't hate me.
cant believe we are disucssing 5 inch quads with AUWs of 820g ... whatever happend to the golden 550g-650g range for 5 inch ? with a few exceptions everyone seems to be flying with washing machines these days. i get that gopros are getting heavier and digital is adding to it as well but why is it necessary to load it up with so much dead weight TPU i dont understand... i just dont see any efforts made here to keep it light.
Dude that was like years ago which is like decades in FPV years... ;)
I fly with a lighter quad in the 520g range with a lipo, and another one in the 615g range with a lipo. I absolutely love the lighter quad, and I hate the heavier one.
It’s 2020 do we even care about weight for freestyle anymore? I personally dont care that much, I actually enjoy flinging a heavier quad.
Racers: *laughs in 400g AUW*
I built an iFlight Titan Xl5 with Dji, and I love it, except for the 3 Bardwell FC's that took a crap mid flight. Lesson learned!
Your flow is so sick! Really JB I’m so envious! I have this quad and I bought it with 2150kv. I’m flying 6s ovonic 1300mah with a throttle limit of 90% I love !!! It’s got plenty of power motors cool as a cucumber
Your funny. Love the young ones commentary for the music! Brill
I have a 5” AtlasV2 Brute freestyle Build that weighs 989 grams! That is with the Hero10 included and with a Tattu 1550mAh 6s 120c pack. With a Tattu 1400 it weighs 946grams. With that being said I did this build with the intention to stop breaking carbon. I broke an apex bottom main plate every week it seemed like. So I got tiered of that. People are constantly telling me that there is a point to where it is to heavy then it compromises the durability. But not in this case. I have yet to still break the V2 Brute. It has 6mm arms 4mm bottom plate and bottom main plate. And a 4mm top plate. So yea that’s why I built it. And I have purposely smashed it trying to break it and it hasn’t yet. There are certain times when added weight helps me at a certain areas just depends, they can fly nice and very smooth. And what I do to not be able to feel the weight is I put massive motors on it F80Pro 1900kv motors or the 2200kv version on 6s of course. It feels just like a lighter quad at the throttle, especially if you tune it with Chris’s Rosser a tune. It’s awesome. The GRL build I have weighs 740 grams with the Hero10 and I love that thing but I still take my Atlas with me on flights cause it handles bandos like a boss believe it or not, you can slug it everywhere idk I guess you just have to build it right untimely is what it comes to at the end of the day.
Hey buddy I just bought this frame and I am looking into make it trigger happy not under power like this one what route you recommend to go I am new to fpv I recently bought my dji fpv drone and want to build a quad to learn on
i fly my XL5 with caddx vista and gopro hero 8.
It‘s buttery smooth
A Great Vid Josh , Nice flying !!
I have this quad and the weight really does one thing: add momentum. That means more force to redirect it so it's great in wind e.g. cinematic flying. It's also great for momentum based freestyle e.g. power loops, inverted lookbacks and split S. What it's worse at is freestyle that requires lots of redirection e.g. bando flying and flicky freestyle. Obviously terrible for racing lmao. So who is this quad for? I think it's for cinematic flyers as well as mid level freestyle as the powerful motors will allow you to do all the moves but if you want to reach the highest skill freestyle this may be too much weight to keep up. P.S. it also makes batteries cry. I get 3 min flight times.
Just would rather see it as a 6" at this weight.
Yeah fair enough, they have an XL7 which might be more fit for purpose
3 min flight times with a gopro on or off?
I've got just analog nazgul5 with previous version of the frame and was flying it just a few times without insta360 one r on board. Yes, the weight really feels... but I see no reason to fly drone without action camera. And your words in the end were not clear to me. You say that 5 inch for freestyle with action cam is to small, but if you gonna build 6 inch drone it would be for cruising but not for freestyle. What's the sweetest spot than?) Also as I know for xl5 frames iflight offer not 5 inch, but 5.1 inch nazgul5 props. And all the rotor riots fly 5 inch with a GoPro on board and having weight 800-900 g and it doesn't stop them to make cool freestyle videos)
I’d still have to rock a Go Pro, DJI is obviously more clear then analogue but it’s like Go Pro Hero 3/4 quality.
Schmity FPV GoPro 3 or 4 is much higher quality than dji
I found that it compares to the session in terms of quality. Air unit that is.
@@aldenhauser9555 4 forsure is 3 is pretty close. I have a 3+ and 4 Black actually just upgraded to the Hero 8 this week after having those 2 for yearssss.
I run AU's exclusively since moving to DJI and my top issue is the resolution is 1440x1080 not 1920x1080 and the audio quality is tinny, clips and has low bitrate. But compared to the Session 5 the DJI sensor does have slightly better light sensitivity.
I think with out the gopro it looks really nice .
I was looking at this kwad and it is listed as having 75 percent throttle . . .they say turn it up to 100 to unleash the BEAST!!!!!!
How can i do?
@@riccardogrifalconi4939 go into throttle limit on the osd
I had a quad on 6S with the iflite 2208 motors and honestly after about 70-80% throttle it didn't do much more, just drew more amps. You won't gain much power, just shorter flight times.
@@XenFPV ok good to know
WOW Bardwell....ur lighting is fanfukintastic my dude
How about just giving a quad larger batteries if you must have more weight. A future trend ?
9:02 Lol fpv protégé right there
I like do like how a heavier quad flies. My 7" is 1060g (1200g with a GoPro) with a 2200mAh battery - You just need bigger props / motors to go with the weight! 2806.5's work well at this weight.
1200g with a 2200mah! How much flight time do you get out of that?
@@Jacobghel I've had problems with the ESC desync issue (Waiting on my RMA ESC currently) so I didn't do a full flight, but I flew for 6min 30sec which took it down to storage voltage so I expect around 10 minutes - Will have have to test it properly when I get it re-built. It's 6S to be clear. I might try with a 1800mAh battery as well, but at this size it doesn't really matter as much.
I'm using "The Practice Rig" frame by Project399 so it's practically indestructible, it's already survived a large drop thanks to the ESC issues without damage. As long as it flies well and I don't have to change battery every couple of minutes, I'm happy!
My AUW is similar with 1500 mah 4S and Hero 8, running 2207s. To be fair, S3 props are too low pitch for that kind of weight. I've run S3, S4, JohnnyFPV 3.8, Gemfan 51433/51466, HQ 5043/5048/5050, and cyclone 5045C. I think the 4.3-4.8 range of pitch is ideal, and I think the 51433 specifically was the best fit for me. I get about 3-3.5 min of acro flying.
Heavy quads are momentum quads, slow and floaty.
I don't like feather weight quads after experimenting with them, they are good for zippy, close proximity stuff, like racing with gates, but they take a ton of pitch to fly forward fast and they just feel airy and don't feel locked in at high speeds- very much like an over powered 3" quad.
500Gr is a nice AUW with a 6S system to me.
That rig would be perfect for either an 2306/7 Analog system and go-pro OR Digital system just using the DVR.
I run mine with a GoPro hero 9 and it weighs around 850g with a 6s 1000mah and P3 props, all the videos i have are made with this setup
My "standard" GEPRC Mark4 HD5 has 615g too without GPS ... if I add the Gopro Hero 8 weight rises to 750g -> that´s pretty heavy too
Should have put S5 props on , maybe would've helped the weight a little.
A test with a more aggressive prop like the ethix s5 would be interesting.
I run 51433 on mine and it’s brilliant
I agree. The s3’s are meant for a lighter weight quad and high kv. My personal experience. S5’s would of made a difference for sure. Re Test JB
Yah props make a huge difference
51433 would be ok, but I think a 51466 would be ideal, for the weight and motor combo.
Ummm... so I take it they aren’t supposed to be 900 grams... I machined mine from blocks of aluminum. It’s a 7 inch from center of the motor to center of the quad, the frame weighs 10 ounces with electronics, motors, batteries, etc it’s going to be about 880ish. With a go pro it’s going to be way more. Looks cool, though I have no clue how it will fly.
It's really difficult trying to convey in video just how a quad flies when it's too heavy or underpowered, especially since if you're a competent flyer you automatically compensate for the craft's deficiencies and make the footage look 'not terrible'.
Happened last week to me, my FUS Spartan V3's came with 3800KV motors instead of the promised 5400KV motors, on 3S it felt well underpowered but the footage I got looks ok because I quickly learnt how it flies and compensated automatically.
Hey I’m looking forward to seeing how ciottis quad feels to you!
Gugudada gimme that quad!
So the XL is just for thicker tougher frame.. arms aren't any longer?
7:21 "Here's what I would say. Waahaaaa" Lol but yea it seems like it is in a weird place and just too heavy.
Well try a 2506 2150kv lol i remember seeing a video from you with 2207 motors on a 7 inch or maybe it's the 6s that was helping well maybe porky should be strictly 6s lol
LOL...How far have we come?....JB is using the digital camera DVR vid to post on YT.....
Comparing a tank to a VW? Hmmmmmm IDK I think you could do better. Really.
Is the Osiris frame and the Titan XL5 frame the same geometry?
I see that the Osiris frame has 4mm arms. are the top and bottom plate really 1.5mm thick? Wow.
Titan XL5 frame has 6mm arms and 2mm top and bottom plate.
Are the motors the same KV ?
Vista compared to the DJI air unit.
Man I think I could go on and on here but I will not.
Obviously they have different specs. If they had the same specs they'd weigh the same.
@@JoshuaBardwell The review is a done deal.
I have dji fpv goggle v1. Menu doesn t appear. There is still coming view from drone. And ı can not connect my goggle to computer. Why it doesn t connect ı don t understand. How ı can reset my goggle. Pls help
what 6s quad without a gopro and a freestyle quad at 500-550gr is there besides a racing drone used as a freestyle like a wind 5 lite, or vampire 2 , or r5 , or geprc mark 3 all telling a go pro to piss off .
i just watched the Apple event and i have seen an iPhone 12 pro on a QUAD!!! go check it
For the weight and motors on that quad, I would run, at least a 51466 prop. S3s are just too low of a pitch, for that setup.
Nice drone 👍
Loking good for freestyle Joshua
What is currently the best mid-long range cruiser (hd & crossfire)? BNF or DIY.
i think their wiring diagram for the gps is wrong, could you please show me how yours is wired? ive tied everything
Please pid for iflight xl5 titan 6s 1800kv please please 🙏🏼
yes
I like my quads heavy upto something like 750-810 with 5150 props
Love mine
What made it so heavy? Did they just tent to use heavier components?
The Titan XL5 is my first FPV drone ever... I'm pretty much just an expert at crashing it now. I can't seem to make it fly at all.
That’s normal for learning. Practice in a simulator if you need to tho
@@brandtfilms7331 I do. Lol
that's a bad idea to have unpredictable flying circular saw as a first drone. My first drone was geprc cine pro. It's small and have propguards and it's very light, there is no such a height that could destroy arms on it. But xl5 frame is heavy and I've already broken one arm after a crash from about 15 meters. I have CNC mill at work and cut out an arm from 5mm textolite. And it works pretty well)) it's little bit more flexible than carbon, but it works. But than all the bearings finished on each motor suddenly and had lot of mto's on footage. I made a research on TH-cam and find out that bearings on xing-e is a piece of shit, that dies after 20-30 packs, and ordered the cheapest Velox 2207.... They say that it's much better
You have the cutest baby on TH-cam. Period!
Do you know of any literature or manuals for the 4S analog version? I can’t find out how to get it into bind mode... thanks man you’re a gem.
The answer depends on what receiver you have in it. Email me joshuabardwell@gmail.com
Would the 4S version be a better choice, given the weight? Or is this the 4S?
I’ve got a question probably not totally related to this video. I hear you speak of tuning or dialing in “rates” on many videos. I’ve not taken the plunge into FPV yet but do have several of the so called “camera drones.” I’m curious if by “rates” do you mean “how fast” the quad spins on any given axis? There are choices for changing those on a couple of my drones, although probably not to the extent you do with these FPV drones in BetaFlight.
Yep that's what I mean.
I likem' light and fluffy, like Mr. Steele. Who thinks Bardwell JR. will be a race pilot instead of freestyle? I'm calling race.
Mr porky? Awesome! Fat quads need. Love too!
What's your recommended max AUW for 5" 6s? Currently just over 800grams for my HD Super G
Its heavy but better than dji potato fpv hahaha PS. I like your videos very much
its Joshua bardwells mini me!
Daaad? Listen, I got something for you in my nappy. Oups, never mind its nice and warm in there now. Meanwhile Daddy has a flight video to finish so you can have your fav meal on the table, son. Cute little lad. Great video, Joshua! :D I had a good laugh watching.
Just flew with two people who love the titan and the weight... Meanwhile I'm building a glide Light.
What is normal weight for a normal 5”inch kwad? 🤔
My 7 inch does not even weigh that much. With a 6s batt and a Session 5 it weighs 802.5g. And it is a very different flight then something weighing 500-600g.
mine only weighs 645g with 1300 battery....
With a naked gopro it would be a decent cinematic cruiser
I feel like I would rather be flying 7" props at that point.
I let my boy play with my quads too. I figure he probably won't break them.
Union ink
I got this as my first qwad when it came out and found myself shelving it because the 2.5" I bought next was such a blast (even with a full AU). What would a light 5" with AU in it weigh and anyone have recommendations?
Also, I bought the GP9 which is also heavy so maybe I'm looking for something with a Vista.
4s or 6s
my quad weight 930g :((( Roma f5 - Air Unit - go9
And we're back to the flippity-floppity. That Halo is a lot noisier than the iFlight.What about flight times? did you see a big difference? Final Conclusion: Meh.
little kid just wants a guest appearance 😁
Is this 6S? If so did you remove the 70% throttle limit?
There was no throttle limit on mine.
Isn’t dribs 5 inch like 700g?
nuthin is too heavy when you have that kinda power haha
i dont think you set the throttle limit to 100% in the previous video! mine is way more powerful than this, and it think that's why.
It's absolutely at 100% maybe you're using different props.
Has Mr.Steel ever flown your yard?
That's an epic ending
wow thats heavy
(coming from a person who flies micros)
Same. Working on a Massive Droner 3 HD with vista ~148g w/o battery atm.
something that heavy needs way more prop than s3. throw some s5 or 51433 on then do a video on that.
Heavy props on a heavy quad means battery sag and short flight time. Can't get something for nothing.
@@JoshuaBardwell that’s very true. My main quad, until my glide frame comes in the mail, is right at 800g. It has very little “pop” with s3, but with s5, a small throttle blip throws it to the top of a 5 story building. Also, how are you liking that zeez 2020 stack? Throwing one of those in said glide frame.
God bless your lovely baby 👶 😘
I want to get a 5" that rips. Should I get this, the Nazgul5 v2, or something else?
NazgulV2 all the way buddy.. I have a Tmotor ft5, diatone Roma 5, and a 6 inch chimera but easily my nazgul rips fastest as far as tracking lines and my build is relatively light I love it
@@roguekwads_fpv7368 thanks for the reply!
Could you not have bigger props on this? 🤔
Would be interesting to see ✌️
Like Drib did with some 7"!
Yea dude thought same surely 5.5" would fit or at least use his signature prop 51477, why anemic s3
My RDQ source one with a 1500 4s and a hero 7 weighs 680 grams and flys like a brick lol
Can someone tell me if this is 4s
I like 750ish grams
Really heavy!!! But flights not too heavy
Im that pilot in team that breaks everything full speed in the hardest object in field .. and i CANT break titan.. its epicly strong.. my spare arms ar just chilling in drawer and i thin it was waste of money to buy them 🤣
Yeah boi!