What Happens To The Animals I Don't Eat? | An Ethical Dilemma | IIT Madras | Q & A | Lecture
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- If the chicken I don't eat is either way going to be killed and eaten by someone else, why bother being Vegan at all?
An interesting conversation I had with a student at IIT Madras.
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@@LouisGedo 🙏👶🙏
vegens are killing plants, don't they?
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She's worried about cows and chicken will extinct but she's not worried about those wild animals who gone extinct due to animal agriculture. Every year animals get extinct due to deforestation happening due to animal agriculture.
Good point.
She's just putting up a what aboutery argument
Vegetable and grain agriculture lands are also created from deforestation and murdering of animals. These vegans are eating the same vegetables and grains cultivated in the lands that were the created on the expense of animals life, birds life , insects life,...etc..😊😊😊😊
wht=ats wrong with u.U wnt to extint animal life.why do u think they feel pain
@@munirajc3575 Go stand behind a horse, stick a pin in it and then see how much it feels pain. Extinct???? Humans artificially breed all these animals. They are not in nature. Of course they should be extinct. Listen to the video. Arvind explained it all.
humans don't eat penguins, flies, mosquitoes, horses etc, but these species are not extinct.
Yeah
In every case when human enter the nature and disturb it
We lost a whole species
We do consume horses in russia.
@@HOPE-jn2ufhumans eat horses but not in India but in western countries they eat horses
It's wrong . Some species are going to extinct because of climate change. Humans should eat animals to maintain conditions of nature. ~ (Average non vegan religious scientific clown )
Google the Biomass of Humans, livestock and Wildlife.
Long live Arvind, after many days, I have been waiting for ur video badly sir.
wht=ats wrong with u.U wnt to extint animal life.why do u think they feel pain
We have red jungle fowl and grey jungle fowl who are ancesters of domestic chicken living free and happy in the wild, so if we stop breeding domestic chickens, we'll still share this planet with wild chickens who get to live as a bird should live.
Go vegan for animals ❤❤
wht=ats wrong with u.U wnt to extint animal life.why do u think they feel pain
Wow great to see an upload by Arvind after so long😊😊😊 thank you for speaking up for the animals!❤️❤️❤️🐮🐷🐔🐴🐍🐙🐋🐂🐒🐟🪲🐐🐑🐁🐥🐇🦊🐕🫂🫂🫂💚💚💚🙏🙏🙏
She asks good questions, and Arvind has great answers to them.
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Thank you for speaking up for animals 💖💖💖💖
In her words there are things worse than being killed. Indeed. Being born into the food system as an animal is far worse. The horrible death they suffer at least puts an end to their suffering. Then people consume all the suffering and wonder why they have difficult lives.
you are always so patient while explaining, you are making a difference, be proud of yourself!
4:16 Sir I have one answer for this.
(We are not breeding pegions, crows but they still do exist. Even if we stop breeding broiler chickens, the indigenous ones would be born naturally)
Better answer will be they will not be extinct just like dogs and cat they will continue to be around in limited number
@@Rollinstrikepackagebravo do you people even know there is a word called domesticated? they wont survive the wild they have been domesticated. you fools are comparing wild life with domesticated animals.
@@praveenpayiran You are making a fool of urself by posting this non sense comment.. I never said they could live in the wild.. yes they are domesticated animals so they will live in the village families just like pets in limited numbers.. they won't go extinct and they shouldn't be force bred, tortured, exploited and killed for our desires.. don't know what's so hard to understand this?
@@praveenpayiran Domesticated and created for food are fairly different things my friend....would be good if you posted some good questions for a debate here and also to get us thinking like the questions the girl asked!
@@Rollinstrikepackagebravo yes
If someone goes vegan people around them will start feeling guilty about their food choices.
They will think that this vegan person is non-violent and a truly religious person.
Great to see you back Arvind. Your responses to questions asked, are ‘spot on’. 🌱🇦🇺
The GOAT is back ❤❤
Thank you for providing me with my daily LAUGH! 😂
Incidentally, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda
I meant Greatest Of All Time and not the animal as it's clearly understood.
And yes rooting for veganism 🌱
@@snehasiva1042
In your own words, define “VEGANISM”. ☝️🤔☝️
wht=ats wrong with u.U wnt to extint animal life.why do u think they feel pain
Good to see you back after a longtime Arvind!! Respect for you 🌱🌱
Arvind is the The only sane vegan i ve seen.. Nice explanation man.. 👏
There are TWO reasons why vegans comprise a fraction of one percent of the population:
The main reason is due to humans’ failure to care about what they put into their own bodies - as long as it tastes good, who gives a damn about the consequences to one’s own health, or to the ethical concerns regarding other creatures or the environment?
The other reason is due to vegan advocates and animal rights activists being inept in their understanding of morality, as well as their abysmal grasp of human physiology. Almost every single vegan activist I know of, wrongly believes that we are omnivores, and they are CLUELESS in respect to metaethics and applied ethics.
However, this is not the most unfortunate thing about the matter. The saddest thing is, that there is hardly a single vegan activist willing to spend even a single hour or so, in order to study proper diet and meta-ethics with the current World Teacher Himself, Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda, despite him freely offering to do so on his social media platforms. 😩
😇अहिंसा परमो धर्म 😇
ahiṃsā paramo dharma
(“non-harm is the HIGHEST religious principle” or “non-violence is the GREATEST law”).
Therefore, only a strict VEGAN can claim to be an adherent of the eternal religion (sanātana dharma).🌱
Ridiculous statement.
Also ED WINTERS
@@prabsyadav9222
Indeed, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶
The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals”, shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩
Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture!
“I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”.
Mr. Ed Gaunt,
So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐
th-cam.com/video/Sl5GpxLXnuI/w-d-xo.html
Go to the 8:15 mark.
What about babies and children? They also do not have complex cognition like adults do? So is it okay to do what we want with them? And what about mentally handicapped people? They also do not possess the thinking skills of normal people. Can we do what want with them?
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Thanks
Thanks a lot. Truly appreciate the support 🙏
2 time biriyani ka intezaam ho gya bhai ka😋
If possible help Almighty animal sanctuary also sir
Sai Vignesh is also an animal activist who had rescued many animals .
Thank you
I think she was taken aback when Arvind directly said that we'd stop the farm animals from being born. It was too straightforward and harsh. The conversation would have turned out better if he had built up to that point instead of dropping it so abruptly. While I agree with him 100% and understand his reasoning, the conversation almost felt like an argument about anti-natalism. It was hard for her to digest the idea of no more chickens, cows, or pigs. She also mentioned adopting farm animals, which is a common practice among many animal and vegan sanctuaries. He could have highlighted that as well.
PS: This is just a feedback. I'm super proud of Arvind and grateful for what he does.
There are TWO reasons why vegans comprise a fraction of one percent of the population:
The main reason is due to humans’ failure to care about what they put into their own bodies - as long as it tastes good, who gives a damn about the consequences to one’s own health, or to the ethical concerns regarding other creatures or the environment?
The other reason is due to vegan advocates and animal rights activists being inept in their understanding of morality, as well as their abysmal grasp of human physiology. Almost every single vegan activist I know of, wrongly believes that we are omnivores, and they are CLUELESS in respect to metaethics and applied ethics.
However, this is not the most unfortunate thing about the matter. The saddest thing is, that there is hardly a single vegan activist willing to spend even a single hour or so, in order to study proper diet and meta-ethics with the current World Teacher Himself, Jagadguru Svāmī Vegānanda, despite him freely offering to do so on his social media platforms. 😩
All farm animals must be released for rewilding. Aravind is an idiot to support anti natalist sentiment
Stating that - under certain circumstances - non-existence is preferable to existence - is not anti-natalism but simply common sense. For example, in the case of a child that is physically and mentally abused and then murdered, surely no one believes it is "better" that this child existed (even if it experienced some periods of happiness during its life)
@@MrGeekUSA I don't disagree with what you said. I say his argument seemed anti-natalistic because he subscribes to extinction, which is the end goal of anti-natalism.
More importantly, it needs to be looked at from a conversational perspective, not as an individual statement.
She: "What if the animals go extinct?"
Him: "Let them be extinct; because ..."
Regardless of the reason, he’s essentially saying: I ask you to have compassion and empathy for the animals and stop eating them so that their entire species will be eradicated from the face of the earth.
It's not remotely appealing, to say the least. As a vegan (and an optimist?), I personally am not okay with extinction. Let's say that in the future, with the concerted efforts of vegans and vegan allies, evolved consciousness, and food innovation such as lab-grown meat, animal agriculture declines, and so does breeding. Do you think a vegan world, with its compassion for non-human animals, would let these species go extinct?
There are sanctuaries right now that support farm animals. As she herself noted, people could adopt them. Maybe one day we'll have chickens, pigs, or cows as mainstream companion animals like dogs or cats.
All of this is to say, extinction might not even be a reality, so why even say it? Especially since it’s not helping the conversation.
From her introduction, I could see she was aligned with the vegan message. All she wanted was a little hope or assurance that her being vegan matters and helps these poor animals. I'm not sure if this conversation particularly helped with that.
It's not just about facts or "common sense". People are not mere rational machines. Assuming otherwise shows a lack of empathy.
How could it have turned out better?
For starters, don't play into the "farm animals would be wiped out with veganism" trope.
One of the stronger arguments, in my opinion, would be to highlight that animal agriculture is a leading cause of deforestation, resulting in habitat loss and accelerating the mass extinction of wild animals.
Finally after 5 months😊
My beloved pet dog died and i am heartbroken. My only consolation is i no longer have to order chicken to feed her.
'Depends on where the chicken lives'. 😅
No excuse for animal abuse, live vegan 💗💗💗
wht=ats wrong with u.U wnt to extint animal life.why do u think they feel pain
"Let's change the scenario."
Yes.
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Brilliant video thank you for your work 🙏🏽
didn't expect this level of irrationality from such a prestigious institute
Be vegan 🌱✅ 🙏
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Wait is over 😭 finally a new video
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Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it is better not to be birthed at all and know suffering than to be birthed and undergo a life of hell?
Because human brain gets scared when its pleasures or the things giving it pleasure seem to be in danger. It sees it as a danger and prepare responses.The other most important thing is not being a victim ourselves.
You simply mean nobody should have children
@@shivanandayalpi5617 you missed the point
@@Nature-s7g that's also a point.. seems you missed something important
@@shivanandayalpi5617 My friend, could you please tell me which important point I missed?
Great explanation, Arvind!
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Thats some attack on titan ideology if u guys have seen it
Well said. Be vegan everyone 💚💚💚💚💚💚
Great ❤❤❤
Glad you’re back
Is this so much hard to understand why these people acts like this, They Always compare us with wild animals, even though they know its wrong they choose it and acts like its fine.IDK
Great
At least this time the audience were more logical and sensible....Fox logic was too good; a little smile from Arvind....
When the demand is more. The traders will increase the production by unnaturally by insenination and steroids... it is more cruel.
Absolutely ❤
She is very intelligent
Never stop, Arvind!!
This should be the level of questioning. I don't agree with Mr. Arvind on everything... But Kudos to the lady... and Kudos to you for engaging.
Ofcourse chicken and goat wont go extinct if we humans spot breeding them . there still be mountain goats , wild goats , wild Chicken and wild gooses etc.
I really appreciate the work you guys do on this channel. Everytime I violate my plant based code of conduct I feel a terrible sense of like being a bad person. Luckily it's very rare I do, however here in the U.S. dairy is put in Everything unfortunately so it takes a lot of discernment to avoid.
Great debate 👏👏
Do human fertility has life? If yes, then ........ It's endless on what is cruel and what is not.
Arvind bhai🔥🔥🔥🔥
Note= stop following veganism if u are not rich and successful.
Humans when they began in jungle before arrival of agriculture, had meat of animals as an integral part of human diet. Sometimes even killing of animals was important for safety of the community also. I wonder if the teeth and the body of our ancestors were evolved to process meat then.
Now, after having knowledge to grow food and preserve them over long duration, our dependence on animals should have been reduced. Our teeth are very different from the meat eating animals and closer to the herbivores. And we can't tolerate excess acid in our stomach. So these indicate our bodies have changed to process mostly plant based diet.
Now many young body builders choose to have that ancestral ancient diet of meat to get big.. but you may notice that as these people approach 50s they tend to acquire heart diseases, and they loose vitality. Their flexibility is low. That's mostly due to ingestion of animal cholesterol that sits over and above the natural cholesterol of human body. It clogs most arteries that nourish various tissues on our body. Arnold Schwarzenegger had heart surgeries, many body builders had heart attack. So being big is not healthy. There is no purpose of being big, if you need 10 people to carry you to the hospital every now and then because of your ailments.
Still choosing to grow big on a plant based diet will be a better option as it has very less side effects.
Is she asking question or giving a speech
She is acting childish
It's at IIT Madras
Meat eaters talking like they are doing a favor to the animal.
That blue shirt guy seems asking, " can we be Animals like lion.. etc !?
She is pretending to be a nature lover by mentioning extinction and is concerned only for specific animals😄
These students pose useless questions which they themselves dont properly understand
You are really great sir. By being vocal of all non speaking species.
Very good question and very good answer.
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He mastered proving veganism ❤
Hey buddy, I have a good suggestion: hit the gym, continue your vegan diet, build some muscle, look good, and you'll observe an impactful change. You can promote and prove that you can build muscle and a body even with vegan food. Nowadays, youth are more concerned with body and fitness strength, and I want you to be an example. And if you manage to build noticeable muscle and a good physique, I'll honestly try to turn vegan... and I'll convince my friends to turn vegan too..
Patrick Babboumian, Nimai Delgado, Anastasia Zinchenko, Torre Washington, Zack Belknap, Brian Turner, Greg Lachance, Max Seabrook have already proven what you want Arvind to prove.
He cannot answer about extinct
While stopping consumption stops further breeding, The existing living animals need not be killed or made extinct. They can just be driven out of our homes, meat factories, farms and not to bother them.. Then they're on their own. They just live like any other non domesticated animal.
If they're capable to proliferate on their own, they would.. else they die..
5:33/9:17 Question - Am I helping by being vegan. Answer - No, you cannot.
All animals should be in forest
Forest are destroyed by us monsters
@@lachimolalala6180 true
Do you know why - freedom is more important than living......
Domestic animals can't live in forest though
@@pranjalarora3193 then where they live.....
Go vegan 🐾🌱💚💚💚💚..
This girl is very smart ..
Go vegan for animals.❤❤❤
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The important thing is mass production of animal flesh to reduce cost of it.
Because of this, cost of a non veg meal is able to equate with a veg meal.
And the non availability of reasonable priced veg food in the cities creates a whole impact on the society, and this food habit changes we take it to our homes in village and from there things get normalised.
Best way is to make available veg food for 10 or 20 rupees first with subsidies if necessary.
Then make the behavioural change in the society, anyways society loves low cost reasonable price, this cut the demand for non veg food thus can reduce slaughter !
So first thing to do ..
20 rupees meal a day..
20 rupees dinner a day..
With no parcel service..!
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Nobodys seeing the evolution which is happening and we can survive with minimal food very simple food. You dont have to be labelled as something like vegan or endorse their products.
The problem is non vegetarians and vegetarians can be triggered by vegans at some point thats the only point people are trying to be vegan and making videos and bringing awareness. so that atleast the consumption of animal based will be reduce and the carbon footprint reduces at some level.
Its on our mind that we have registered the taste in a memory and trying to repeat and get the pleasure of eating specific food.
We can understand this and eat simple food by not thinking about the images of the foods which brought us pleasure.
Once we realize the simplicity we will eat upma, fresh fruits , some vegetables and kichdi and we will stop complaining about home made simple foods. Thats enough for the body to survive. The mind is what making us choose between foods.
Finally you are back
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Beautifully kept the points by Arvind ji. Like to thank both the questioners too.
what should I use to replace ghee as mustard is poison for me in my current state as stated by my doctor.
Chicken won't become extinct because chicken can be used to eat extra wheat farm waste etc, chicken eat lot of farm waste
I appreciate your effort to make others and yourself a vegan. But, as a intelligent human being what you are doing and what is your goal? you see so many living entities daily dies and there is different levels of suffering, we need to understand why suffering exist even to us that is intelligence and if you search for the root cause suffering you will get answers more answers and your thinking may not only stop with animals.
Thank you for great efforts.
Eating the non veg is not sin, but torture, we are doing to animals is not correct.
😇अहिंसा परमो धर्म 😇
ahiṃsā paramo dharma
(“non-harm is the HIGHEST religious principle” or “non-violence is the GREATEST law”).
Therefore, only a strict VEGAN can claim to be an adherent of the eternal religion (sanātana dharma).🌱
Torturing someone is sin
Bro got punished for not being consistent 💀
Great Sir Welcome from Nepal
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Yeh kya bol raha hei? Why nature created carnivores animals? Why do we have tearing teeth?
I have to disagree with him here. I think leave animals in nature to do their thing, live their lives without humans inflicting pain on them. I would never argue that animals should never be born. I would argue against animals being abused.
Your arguments are flawed
How?
Sir,
A cow give 12 -13 liters of milk on an average and a calf can drink at most 2 - 3 liters
So, If a person is selling the milk after giving the calf his share where is the problem in it????
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION
PLEASE
That's not the point here ! Not all cows give this much milk only few breeds I.e indian hump cows give this much and in dairy industry if 12 litter is produced then not even 0.1 litre is given to male calf.thats the problem and btw how will the cow give birth? When u will impregnate her forcefully and u hv no right to do this! That's rape and abuse of nature
If u can make sure that cow and her child is not suffering and the cow is impregnated naturally then u may drink all the milk. No problem man ! Vegans are not stupid they just care about other creatures that why they want every one to change! Vegans are savior of nature❤
@@Nikunj-ch6pm Do you allow it in a human. No absolutely no, then why are you commenting foolishnes. Just accept that it is the part of food chain. You are just conserving his vegan thoughts.
these lunatics dont know how much a calf drinks and what will happen if they were let to drink the entire milk.
@@lachimolalala6180 see america and europe the so called vegans are stupid they will not agree with you they have been given an agenda and trained you can see them repeat the exact same lines and questions around the world its more like a cult
If these are the type of students in IIT questioning you, Arvind, im afraid to say IIT standards have gone wayyyy down.
Sir love your work but your arguement was weak
The question should be are animals allowed to live their life and end their life same way humans do.
God created us the same way as other creatures but he gave us a way higher thinking brain .. is it justified to end a life to fit your stomach