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Non vegans ab sirf ek hi baat se khud ko defend krne ki koshish kr rahe plants also feel pain ye baat to wo bhi jaante sach kya hai pr khud ko guilt feel n ho sirf isiliye wo ye bolte hai.
already scientists in various Reports declared that plants also feels pain... same as other living organisms thats why they have hard barks and soft tissues when we cut them they secrets a harmone out of pain so stop fooling people in name of Science as you are not scientist yourself
People like this are the reason why the world is not going vegan. They want to justify their animal abuse by all means possible. Religion, pseudoscience, culture, taste, health, personal choice, etc., etc.
Arvind should research the field of plant consciousness. In the same way he says that humans only see chickens as food and don't think farther, vegans completely ignore the factual evidence that plants are able to think, remember, learn - all without a brain. I think this field is important because the way Arvind ignores the sentience of plants, we can ignore sentience of any type of life (aliens) just because they are unfamiliar.
@@dingo_duck EVEN if that was true, veganism is still justified because when you eat meat you are killing MUCH MORE plants then if you were to just eat plants directly
@@flickfootsaga_ if you carefully look at my actual reasoning, I never said anything about ethics or what is right. I said Arvind's reasoning is biased and not logical to be extrapolated.
@@emergence8217 but the was trying to say that why we vegan always say we have to save animals but why we don't plant plants, his point was not bad but his attitude was arrogant
@@bongdudes1327 Bro lets make a comparision. If we Eat Animals then animals will also Eat Plants, In this case we are harming two Species. and Environment too. But If we only eat Plants then We can Decrease the Cruality. and Envirnment will aso be saved. So Now What is Right.
Actually sometimes it's really normal. See like this when we were non vegans we used to think the same way if we are hurting plants or not. But after just a little bit of research it gets cleared to us. A simple Google search gives the ans that they aren't sentient. There is no need for pain if they can't escape. Also eating plants would use lesser plants than eating animals. But this guy was not even ready to hear he was just speaking shi*s
Lovers of Plants are only seen in Veganism conversation. I'm really worried about the word "Lovers" now..... These lovers don't understand how much their lovely chicken and cows love to eat plants.
Exactly my point! They even talked about it.. 1. Animals eat plants, humans eat animals + plants 2. Humans eat plants only Which is better!? Being Non vegan doesn't mean he purely survives on meat, he consumes both vegetables and meat! 🤷♂️
@@jonjonwp In the video the guy claimed that plants and animals are the same. Hurting a plant is equal to hurting an animal. If so, mowing the lawn is equal to chopping the head off a pig.
If they ever felt the suffering of animals, there wouldn't even be a debate. These people think they are smart but they don't even read class 9, 10th science book. There is whole chapter of kingdoms .
species is different from what was being argued here. Humans are an animal species, like dogs, cats, and other animals. Plants and animals are not the same species, they are different kingdoms of species all together. so flawed question to begin with@@unknownmysterious9918
Young folks out there are desperately trying defend their urge to eat meat by rationalising cognitive plant abilities to delude themselves into thinking that any other alternative is equally harming the replacement. I genuinely feel Arvind is one of his kind to go out there take these folks’s “immaturity” head on over and over again..For any offended receivers i call em “immature” because they loose the ability to rewire the conversation with the logic thats put forth by both ends
@@bb9a it's not invented yet, that doesn't mean it's not present. Suppose if there was a study that plants also feels pain, or humans detect a machine to feel it's pain do you stop eating plans also? Like eating only the leaves which feel down from the trees. I would appreciate it if you do so. By the way I'm not against veganism, if you can reduce it, good thing. Please don't spread hatred to people who eat meat.
Again, A better way to argue would be to explain the amount of plant resources needed to produce 100g of chicken. Even if we consider that plants may experience some form of distress, a significant number of plants must be used to generate an equivalent quantity of nutrients obtained from animals.
Even more simplified: We can wonder all day if plants feel pain, but there is no denying that animals do. They do. We don't have to ask about what this individual really cares about. He cares about appearing correct and cushioning his feelings.
Not really. Imo a correct way to answer is to answer directly. One might say if I kill an insect or a carnivore then what? you have to ask and answer. The answer is much simple. Plants are not sentient and don't feel pain or have will to live or show emotions. Animals do.
@@dv9239 cause the reason there is unfertilised eggs is because they aren't allowed to fertilise. Ultimately the hen has to suffer to bring that unfertilised egg to your table. So suffering is involved.
Simple answer to his QUESTION - It's Because animals feel pain that nature has given them legs to run away from what causes it pain, plants have roots and so it makes NO SENSE for them to experience pain or suffer like animals.
There's currently a scientific research that plants emits a very low frequency named as "plant pain scream" when being cut. They may not run but they respond to pain. So you're saying that a person who dont have legs and arms that cannot move should not be given a right???
@@unknownmysterious9918 Do you feed on animals who feed on air??? If you are so concerned about plants but not animals, then you should not eat plant fed animals.
@@theonewhoknocks6969 i hope you don't know the difference between literacy and education. I'm from kerala and I'm proud to say that too. We may not be as intelligent as you sir, please forgive😂😂😂
Veganism may not make sense to people like us living in kerala who used to eat vegetables and meat ( only if they are coming from Tamilnadu and andra) 😂😂
If they are so much sensitive about plants then why don't they have same for animals to, this argument always there while talking about veganism . Arvind you are amazing while answering these kind questions
he is also not trying to understand difference between consuming plants and meat and this argument always there while talking about veganism. and eating veg, plants and eating meat is same. being vegan is just helpt to minimise this cruelity. if we are breathing there is also cruelity. for now situation there is only one option for now. to control this large scale cruelity
@@Premanandmestry01 the speaker and you are not understanding the similarity between plants and animals. Both are living, both experience stress. Why would you artificially consider a 'brain' as requirement?. You could just eat the fruits that have already fallen like some extreme moralists do ...
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 Do you consume only fruits nothing else than that? If genuinely YES. I RESPECT you. for living you have to eat something and there will be always cruelity in it and eating fruit is also cruelity then.
Hats off to you Arvind for answering such fools so politely and shame on such fools for not paying attention while you are making them understand facts
That guy just broke the whole vegan argument , vegans love to be selective on what they consider cruel , all live is important and one must just live on pills and water if they want to be cruelty free by that logic
There is a spike because the field of plant consciousness is finally having serious studies being done. I HIGHLY recommend looking into it because both of the men in this video are not doing it justice. Arvind does not consider plants in the same way people do not consider chickens, and the other man is unable to argue his point.
@@dingo_duck It's not about plant's rights or animal's rights. It's about how as humans we can (should) minimize pain and suffering in the world. Animals need to feed on PLANTS in order to grow large enough to produce flesh for meat eaters therefore a meat eater is responsible for causing more suffering to PLANTS as well as ANIMALS. If you are a dedicated plant's rights activist then you should promote veganism more than vegans do.
@@SG-rc7tn why would a plants rights activist promote eating plants when animal rights activists do not promote eating animals? You are still thinking in a biased way. The number of plants that die in proportion to animals is incredible. Just because you have not researched how plants experience the world does not discount their suffering.
Decomposition is already on the way ! Had me rolling and laughing on the floor. People who argue plants and animals feel the same pain are just in total denial so that they don’t feel the guilt. I literally get sleepless nights many times with heart feeling heavy with deep sorrow thinking about the pain and suffering of these poor animals that is caused by humans.
The summary is eating plants is minimum himsa and eating animals is maximun himsa...even when you breath or walk on road you may kill many small insects or organisms. So every himsa cannot be avoided also. So we have to select the option which has lowest himsa ...it is like live and let live philosophy..in Mahabharatha you can find some sages like Drona following a even more ideal life style than vegetarianism. ..thry used to eat only the fruits leaves which have been fallen down naturally from trees or discarded by animals so that unplucked fruits on the trees are allowed for the birds and animals to eat..this is difficult than vegan life style ..
I see his face. Looks like he never went to high school and never studied nervous system and endocrine system. Trying to look smart and proving himself a big fool 😅
He actually does have one. All he is trying to say is plants can also have feelings just like animals. Their method of showing that pain is not the same as animals.
@@Kim66869you don't need a brain for consciousness/feel pain, we humans/other animals form consciousness with help of brain as an instrument, but it's also possible to form consciousness from the void (checkout Boltzmann brain), it is possible for plants to have consciousness just not similar to us, they might also feel pain, we just don't know But they are definetly living beings they have cells, each of their cells has nucleus, mitochondria,etc and also produce offsprings 😂 For a plant based alien civilization vegetarians would like they cut their brothers/sisters genitals and eat their babies Anyway my point is people should eat whatever they want inorder to survive , just don't kill /distroy any living being unnecessarily
One thing we have to understand that Plants is the only species that can produce food by its own. Nature maade in such a way that all other species must depend on Plants for food. So we cannot save Plants by any means. But we can save Animals. When there is an option to save animals, what is stopping us to do that?
@@bratwurstmitbiryani We have no options of saving Plants brother. But we have options that is 100% possible of not killing animals. Atleast we can save animals and a lot of Plants by not eating meat.
Nature has developed diverse diets for different species. While some animals, like herbivores, primarily survive on plants, others are omnivores or carnivores, relying on a mix of plant and animal sources for sustenance. Evolution has shaped species' dietary preferences based on their biology and the available resources in their environments.
A simple point that Anatomy of Plants is way different from the animals would've ended it. The bark of the of the tree is not a fully living tissue like our skin( except the the outermost part of skin), and latex is a byproduct of metablism which occurs in plant and not really usefull for it, whereas blood is a living tissue which is essential for us. Rather than a layman, no other fine person on earth would percieve both as same. Also, the mechanism which plant uses for coordination is endocrine, while humans uses neuro-endocrine, where brain is a component of neuro part. Both the mechanisms are way different in working and just can not be compared.
These jokers come up with “yeah..but don’t plants feel pain?” (as though they are the first come up with the idea)…and they use that as an excuse to kill sentient animals. Totally stupid
I'll tell you a better counter argument against these plant sympathisers. Use their own logic against them. Animals eat plants for months to years before being consumed by humans, so they are essentially a highly condensed form of plants. A chicken that weighs 3-4 kg now was fed 20 - 25 kg of plants over its lifetime. If you now eat this chicken, aren't you indirectly responsible for way more plant kills than a vegan? If you care about plant pain as an animal eater, then you must consider how many more plants you hurt by eating animals instead of eating plants directly.
People can go to any lengths with this one. Let's say someone said well what if I eat an animal that was small and a baby? This time they will say empirically they are consuming less plants than a vegan. A better answer is just to directly answer their question.
@@Mayur_Kedare Well, the baby was in its mother's womb for a long time and its mother was eating. Any animal product always takes more plants than its own weight to produce, because there is no animal in existence that converts 100% of its food into bodily mass, except for bacteria maybe.
@@GarudaLegends The most unsustainable diet on the planet. The only natural humans that eat like that are the ones that have no choice, like the Eskimos.
@@julioandresgomez3201 false. Not everyone can eat like an Eskimo. Lol. The best diet is a local hypercarnivore diet that avoids imported food. Way better that a vegan, vegetarian, and your imported Eskimo diet. The worse diet however is the vegan diet.
@@GarudaLegends If everyone eats like that the planet goes to hell. Earth is just not made to support 80 billion farm animals, between 100 and 1000 times more they´d ever be naturally (or without human intervention).
I have been observing in every video, there is shortage of time. Please try to ask for more time from the host. Good work. May the world go vegan. May you live long and healthy.
So this person can readily and willingly watch an animal being dismembered, but are disturbed by watching a chef prepare a salad? Please. I'd call it mental gymnastics, but there's hardly any mind involved.
@@Anonymous_critical_thinker it's possible. Damn this guy seems to have deleted most of the comments on this thread. Extremists can survive only on fruits etc which has fallen off from the trees on their own.!
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 it's not possible to survive on fruit etc fallen from tree because the number of fallen goods ( fruits etc) will not meet the requirement of so many people , at the end you have to cultivate crop According to me any sort of consumption causes suffering but it is on us to choose the consumption method which can cause the least amount of suffering that's why I am a vegetarian
Hey Arvind. I know these lectures are over a year old now, but just some feedback for the future - your dead human and living human example is a pretty bad way to explain your point. I think you'd be better off going with the hurting a live human vs plucking an apple example for this, and also mentioning that most plant food on earth is animal feed like you do sometimes.
Hi Arvind! The thing to understand is that if we don't eat a vegetable or fruit when it is mature enough to be plucked and eaten, it dies; while for animals - they are, more often than not, not even allowed to live out their entire lifespan because of the meat industry. Someone I once said this to argued that in the wild too animals don't live out their full lifespan. Firstly, several do. Secondly, predatory animals and birds don't engage in rampant killing. Thirdly, till the moment an animal in the wild is killed by a predatory bird or animal, s/he lives in freedom - something humans rob from animals born and raised in factory farms.
Arvind bro i have one doubt here... If plants can produce some toxic substance or having spikes to make sure its not eatan then they dont want them to be eaten just like animal or bird or human !!! Isn't it ?
Why are you taking plants with spikes on it as a example. See the vegetables you use in daily life . I am growing lady's finger, tomatoes and brinjals. All of these plants we are harvesting the ripe ones before they get damaged and fall from the plant. So, it's not killing the plant or doing harm to the plant. The motive of every living species is to grow and spread it's variety. After harvest, we are keeping the seeds safe for planting again. So we can say this as mutual benefits for both humans and plants. But for animals, if we kill an animal, we can't reproduce the same animal of our own. Even though It's genetically possible but still it needs an animal of the same kind to create a new one again .
@@San-naSHow can it do so? I thought plants don't have any cognitive ability to understand and solve problems? Why did it grow throws if it doesn't understand that not having thorns is detrimental to its survival?
@@angel_nithisaAll of the vegetables you eat are a result of selective breeding using scientific techniques by humans. Humans artificially created these living creatures for their own sustenance. Harvesting field grown crop is no different than slaughtering a farm grown animal. Give that cognitive ability and brain BS to the next person listening.
Well unlike this guys who makes incorrect comparison. Comparing a living thing that doesn't have a brain to a dead person. Dead and living is different words. You guys are like saying a person who is brain dead but still alive doesn't have any right anymore. There's a scenario that a person can still be alive with medical machine but claim as brain dead. This you can compare to a plant.. Not the dead hollow body/shell of a being. Imagine this when hurting plants and eating them that youre eating and hurting brain dead patients but still alive
a watermelon is a product of a plant - it is one of his very poor comparisons. He should compare the watermelon vine to an animal to be the most fair. Watermelons don't die and he knows this, but is being intentionally disingenuous.
Once Supreem Ghimire said on Quora "Let's ignite change, let's create a moment - The vegan movement striving to transcend retribution. For those who believe in God: In the God/divine tongue, or let's say, in Sanskrit, the word Meat means 'mamsa'. Mamsa signifies 'Mam' meaning 'Me' and 'Sa' meaning 'He.' This subtly implies that as I inhabit this animal now, in my subsequent life, this creature might have an opportunity to consume me in the same way. And for those who embrace science but not God: Recall the motion lessons from your school days and delve into the laws of motion. The third law of motion states that for every action, there exists an equal and opposite reaction. Furthermore, Modern Science's recent revelation about the multiverse concept isn't fictional; it could hold validity. Hence, what genuinely matters is your next course of action. It's time for transformation - a transformation in favor of the animals, who, too, possess equal rights and the freedom to inhabit this planet. Embrace your humanity, and become conscious living beings. In the human context, I'm uncertain about the exact alignment of this statement, but it may hold some relevance."
I north India most of the people are vegitarian if not vegan. But u are doing a tremondous job. As you are talking to people who are mostly non vegetarian. Hats off to you Arvind.
I would have answered like this. Plants releasing chemical is to defend from the insect just like our body produces immune cells and proteins to defend against harmful microorganisms. This does not mean plants feel pain or suffers. Every organism has a biological mechanism to live. There is no pain because when you give anesthesia to a human and giving a cut, humans bleed without pain, it is similar to plant producing the latex rubber and there is no involvement of pain. Plants can communicate and even bacteria communicate by releasing chemicals it doesn't mean that they think they should produce chemicals to signal. There is no thought process it just happens, just like we produce fart without thinking and it is biological it just happens.
The ability of plants to feel pain, as animals do, is a topic of debate among scientists. While plants respond to stimuli and can signal distress, they lack a nervous system and pain receptors like animals have. Instead, they react to environmental changes. This area of study is still evolving, with ongoing research aiming to better understand plant responses to various stimuli.so it is not that plant do not feel pain it just we don't know.
I would like to answer the kid's question... He was saying that plants are also living being so they also feel the pain. Yes he was right. We should not cut big old trees which have been at that place for a very long time. I hope you have seen trees like peepal, Neem, bargad. You would feel connection with them. You would feel bad if you would come to know that somebody has cut them down. Be environment friendly. But eating fruits and leaves is not same as eating an animal hands and legs. Have you ever seen an animal shedding its own hands, legs and other body parts? but plants do. That is the difference. The plants and trees are your parents. You can enjoy their biproducts. If you really care about environment then please go vegan. Because Meat industry and therfore dairy industry is the greatest reason behind many environment issues.
Just imagine deciding to stand up in front of a class full of your peers - straight after watching the horrors of the animal farming industry - and blurt pseudo science about how plants can feel pain. massive cringe
Look I know how passionate people are with their respective 'isms'. And I am not here to demonise or ridicule any side. Choose whatever suits you the best. However, I can't deny the possibility of pain among plants. In plants we tend more to reduce the same thing into 'biochemical pathways of defence/stress management' than to just call it 'pain'. And we do it to animals as well. But still, its much more easier to empathize with an animal than to a plant(However example of genuine empathy towards plants could be seen in movements such as the Chipko movement. Genuine empathy, and not that emerges solely for justifying meat eating practices) Similarly its easier to emphathise with a human than to an animal. Further, one would prefer to light up a corpse than a living human. So it all boils down to empathy. And just like pain, empathy is not just a fleeting emotion. It also serves a great evolutionary purpose, thus must be acknowledged for the continuity of our species. Remember, that our ever depreciating empathy for the seeds of certain plants made them evolve into the cereals & pulses we know and love today(though lot it has changed nutritionally as well.) Maybe the same thing is happening with certain animals. The point is that life has no dead end, it finds its course, either ruthlessly or in a balanced manner. Choice is ours. We have to choose somewhere between the two extremes- 1. misanthropy 2. cannibalism.
Really enjoyed this debate between two passionate people. I am not worried about who is wrong or right. Concern for both plants and animals ( forget the biology) is heart touching. Compassion towards animals and plants is both necessary and wise. At the same time, we humans have to consume life to sustain our lives - life we consume may be in the form of a plant / animal. We can Choose plant instead of animal to create lesser pain. Lets accept the fact that we are cruel, we cause pain and gain from it. But as conscious beings we can cause lesser pain by choosing plants. Afterall we are human beings. Not GODS... ( What i mean by pain is not the pain triggered by nervous system. I am referring to the pain (fear) sensed by other species when we challenge its survival instincts).
If one believes in the creator who is all-knowing and incapable of committing mistakes. Then it is foolish to think that plants can suffer and feel pain. Because a perfect being will never create something like a plant, that cannot shade its burning leaves from the scorching heat of the sun. And cannot seek shelter when there are storms and thunder is a dumb thing. To create something that will just suffer in its entire existence does not constitute an intelligent designer
@@nomindstateyeah cause youre blind. Plants are much more vulnerable but that doesnt give you the right to kill and eat them also. What do you think of plants having thorns, poison, bitter taste, making you blind, giving you blister? Why are those existent in some plants if they just want to get eaten.... Animals can get away from natures wrath but a plant cant instead they help those other specie during a natural disaster.... And the fact that they are helping people also during disasters what made you think that they can also be eaten???? Its like backstabbing someone who help you a lot. Stupid
If you can fight for a specie that doesnt even help you what prevents you from not defending the right of another living organism that actually help you in your life... A plant gives you air A plant fights pollution A plant gives shelter from the sun A plant fights flooding A plant gives fruit A plant attracts other organism And an animal? Just living in nature trying to survive???? You fight for the latter one whp doesnt even give you anything but you dont find for something that helps yoy live.. Stupid person think about it.
Acharya prashant was right because we all are worshipping tree as god here, if we tell them that plant is not sentient they can't connect with these statement. that is the problem here . We can't differcient between plant and animal because everything has a life, as written in our spiritual literature .
Arvind's point, He is comparing dead animal to plants, completely senseless. Work has been done by Jagadish Chandra Bose regarding sentient nature of plants.
The boy was determined in opposing even when he knew that he was clueless and all of his points were invaluable. He just wanted to pass time. Ignore such fools. You are doing a great job.
Non-vegetarians shouldn’t be the ones to discuss the pain plants might feel. Here are my questions: Can you consume meat fresh, without any plant-based spices or seasonings? We aren’t chopping down entire trees to eat. We simply pluck a fruit or vegetable that would fall in a few days anyway. It’s akin to trimming a beard. I would clearly disagree with eating plants if we were killing an entire tree to eat. However, that’s not the case. Take rice for example. Rice is harvested when the crop cycle is complete and the plant is already dead. As for vegetables, if left unpicked, they would naturally fall to the ground within a few hours. We pick them at this stage. So, our consumption is more about no pain harvesting than killing.
This arrogant person does not want to agree, that is the problem here. Arvind has high patience level. Keep going !!! thanks for educating us from these videos.
Wow such a clarity of thought and such a patience to explain it. For the moment I thought that person was right and thankyou for your inputs on how he is wrong.. I understood that.
I would like to offer a brief perspective challenging the moral justification often attributed to veganism. While the ethical treatment of animals is a commendable concern, it is crucial to recognize that moral values can vary widely among individuals and cultures. What might be deemed morally imperative by one may not hold the same weight for another. Moreover, one could argue that humans have been omnivores throughout history, and our biology suggests a natural inclination towards a varied diet that includes both plant and animal products. Consequently, adopting a vegan stance might be seen as an imposition of a specific moral viewpoint on a diverse range of ethical beliefs. This note seeks not to dismiss the ethical considerations associated with veganism but to emphasize the importance of respecting differing moral perspectives when engaging in discussions surrounding dietary choices.
that kid is wise and arvind lost 🦋 I'm a vegan but I agree with the kid. Intelligence is common whether we are sentient or non sentient who decides it😮💨... But one thing we have to choose by our senses will we see the pain n fear n scream of a creature n even then kill it after witnessing it. Or we choose to kill some plants cos we don't see the suffering in them. Simple but no one can argue that plants are lesser than animals or humans ever life matters and equally important.
Simple. Cut a brach of a plant and plant it on the soil. It will grow! Similarly, Cut a leg of any animal and plant it on the soil it will not grow! Eat the food that lives so that you live longer and dont eat the food that decomposes so that you dont decompose soon.
Basically, Its like comparing bicyle and motorbike. Both have 2 wheels, but one has engine and other doesn't. The guy in the audience is saying - Just like motorbike, bicycle also run on a fuel, which we don't know yet. So its similar to a motorbike and we must have petrol bunks for them. Bicycles, Also deserve to have their own bunks. Why discriminate! What he fails to understand is, a Bicycle, does not have a motor to begin with. Hence, There is no need to have a petrol bunk for bicycle. No Motor = No Petrol
❤🎄❤please celebrate the season of peace, love, and joy, by refusing to participate in the exploitation of innocent animals. please live vegan, from now on.💚
The question is not if plants feel pain. Maybe plants feel great pain when burning or hit with an axe but that is not relevant to human diet. The question is, do plants feel great pain when you pick the fruits or seeds or whatever?
@@dv9239 Do you eat periods of all animals? The blood they shed during those periods? That's what fruits are, a way to multiply. They were made to attract animals looking for sugar and starch who'd peel it to help the seeds disperse. Fruits and vegetables are meant to be shed off. You can wait for it to fall like some groups who do that. But that is never applicable to sentient beings like animals.
Hello Arvind, I wanna go vegan and I'm convinced by everything you said to go in that direction BUT I HAVE A QUESTION , we're told that plants can feel vibrations i.e. if we grow the plant with love and words of positive affirmation , they tend to grow faster , healthier and more beautiful than ever , just like animals and us humans. Then does this mean they feel pain as well? I mean obviously they can sense it. Isn't sensing and feeling the same? I'm asking this because I really don't wanna harm any being for my selfish reasons. Although I do want to survive.
@@Viper60589so according to science you have believed that plants are living beings.By the same way do some research done by the same scientists ,telling plants are not sentient beings.It is not proved at all.
I agree with you, But I want to ask that you r saying we can't compare animal and plant while you're comparing a scenario of living and dead with a scenario of both living And I also want to ask you that will it be ethinic if we kill animal after paralyzing them with anethisia
Simple explanation is if we eat tomato, mango or any fruits or most of the vegetables, and throw the seeds away, we get new plants and trees. But if we eat chickens, mutton, fish, crabs and prawns and throw the bones or shells, away v dont get new chickens, mutton, fish, crabs and prawns.. So veganism is a kind of loving plants and animals.. But nonvegans shows discriminations by loving some animals and killling some animals.
I must show this video to the Australian firefighters. They focus on saving humans, their homes and wild life only when putting out fires. I am yet to see a report saying firefighters braved the fires to rescue ten trees cause plants have feelings.
The signal he is talking about is not communication but message of fungus which lives in roots with a symbiotic relation with tress. Since in jungle, tress are close to each other, roots of various plants intertwine and fungus also connect with each other. So when we cut trees, it is the fungus which react to stimulus. It is not plant cognition or communication. Pranav Radhakrishnan has explained it well in one of his video.
The biggest addiction we never talk about is the addiction to tasty food which mostly comes from meat / non veg .so all the Intellectual arguments are laid to defend this addiction
Since ages we have been brought up and been in such a mindset that killing animals and eating them is fine. And when someone is letting us know the truth. Helping us to lead an ethical life and be humane to animal kind, everyone finds a point to debate. If we can have an alternative to not kill plants, definitely we can. But we eat plant based food to sustain. We have an option to be herbivores. Our simple choice ends suffering of a species. Hope one day we see the change.
Arrogance exists because most people want to win an argument rather than reaching a logical conclusion. I have seen most discussions where people think that not eating dead bodies of animals is somehow against plant kingdom. As if the animals they eat grow in size by eating and drinking air.
The questioner has a point here. But the presenter is aiming to save animals killed for meat. The questioner is right that plants too have some sensations, thats why we also need to save and protect plants and trees. Point taken.
Three types of vegetarians in india. 1. Vegan 2. Vegetarians 3. Caste vegetarians- people who are vegetarians just becuz of their caste. They use vegetarianism as tool to justify caste discrimination👍
Probably the only comment I see in this portal where vegetarianism is linked to caste!! it had to come since we as a country are only looking for how we are different and blame each other!
let's be real - we humans can be pretty thoughtless. We waste food like it's nothing and don't see how our actions are wiping out animals left and right. It's not cool. Animals aren't the ones messing up; we are. So, how about we start caring a bit more and living a bit wiser? It's all about respect and making small changes.
Even if you are vegan the crops which you grow involves hurting animals like capturing the land on which animals use to roam.killing the pests and insects.also like uprooting the whole root plants cause death to the plants like potato etc.
Plants do feel the same way as we are but problem is that we are not that advanced to record their responses they produced . There are research papers which talks about poping like sounds produced by plants in draught like conditions or water scarcity . Plants are sensitive to music , chaos , atmospheric pollution etc . For me the concept of vegetarian is bogus thing . Eat whatever keeps you healthy & fit .
Using plants 🌱 To justify kill Of animals Is worst way to show your Thinking power. If plants feel the same way then Why don't they move or shake their hands(branches) Body (stem) Just like animals shake when cut I know plants don't have Mouth to shout But they do have a whole body So why don't they Shake their body just like animals a Shake during cutting If they have Same level of feelings of pain .
The idea should not be the stop the cruelty completely ... it is to reduce as much as we can. If we start eating veg only it will still reduce the cruelty to plants also. We will need less plants to feed livestock and that will eventually result in less cruelty to plants and animals.
That poor poor student - he must be starving to death! He is so sensitive to plants, grass, trees lives ,etc.,etc, so I guess he NEVER EVER dared eat animal flesh! Arvind explains so well yet some people are just so desperate to defend thier animal flesh eating ways.
A mature but stupid discussion.Arvind kept all the right facts.I mean even they know that they don't mean most of the things they are saying.Not everything is understood when put into terms of an academic theory.He just argued for so long about plants feeling pain.If a tree is providing me an apple,that apple happens to be a good food for sustainability of a human body,with no tendency for the tree to consume it itself.However ,when apple is eaten by a human followed by excretion,that excretais going to help the tree(nourishing the soil with organic nutrients)to be in a proper ecological cycle.Have you ever wondered why when any animal's excreta gets covered with worms and pathogens when left in the open.Because it is loaded with nutrients.Which are good for the health of the soil.On the other hand an animal doesn't bring its neck to you to just be kept under the knife.It has nothing to offer to humans.You don't need academics to see this ,only basic observation.Although capitalism never allows to observe.
We can try to understand these things by Nature. We have eyes to see and ears to hear so when we try to harm an animal it will cry and run to save its life. with our naturally gifted senses without any extra science or other imparted knowledge. While when we see plants are already gifting their fruits and shedding them to not only humans but even birds and other beings. Just see the nature and learn from it atleast the basic stuff.
Arvind agreeing to the fact that plants do produce certain chemicals to send messages across all the other plants in vicinity when they sense danger and produces chemicals to taste bitter so no one eats them clearly shows that they don't want to get eaten...
Just curious, if we have a genuine answer to this; even if we suppose that plants can't feel pain, we still understand that plants have survival instincts and if we kill them i.e. restrict them to grow further and die naturally, it would still be against their will; given that would it be justifiable to kill plants
They speak like this because only if they speak illogically arvind will upload his video so that he can become infamous and impress his classmates... please don't encourage such people by making them popular sir..
I just don't get it even though they can see cruelty from there eyes of animals who dies. But plant produce layer by layer on to their skin. They have fruits which eventually fall bythemselves and will get degrade if not used. People compare living moving and eating oraganism with plants. And trying to justify the reason of eating meat while comparing to plants whose pain they can't even see with their naked eyes. So, isn't the answer should be u should choose to eat which is less cruel than being most cruel
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More plants rights activist Anti-vegans??
Non vegans ab sirf ek hi baat se khud ko defend krne ki koshish kr rahe plants also feel pain ye baat to wo bhi jaante sach kya hai pr khud ko guilt feel n ho sirf isiliye wo ye bolte hai.
already scientists in various Reports declared that plants also feels pain... same as other living organisms thats why they have hard barks and soft tissues when we cut them they secrets a harmone out of pain so stop fooling people in name of Science as you are not scientist yourself
People like this are the reason why the world is not going vegan. They want to justify their animal abuse by all means possible. Religion, pseudoscience, culture, taste, health, personal choice, etc., etc.
Arvind must be so fed up with this question by now😅 fighting plants rights activists...
Arvind should research the field of plant consciousness. In the same way he says that humans only see chickens as food and don't think farther, vegans completely ignore the factual evidence that plants are able to think, remember, learn - all without a brain. I think this field is important because the way Arvind ignores the sentience of plants, we can ignore sentience of any type of life (aliens) just because they are unfamiliar.
@@dingo_duck EVEN if that was true, veganism is still justified because when you eat meat you are killing MUCH MORE plants then if you were to just eat plants directly
@@dingo_duck Does Non-vegans only eat plants?. They eat everything plants, animals and both.
@@dingo_duck imagine if a carnivore eats your family in front of you . Then it is justified why they eat you and it is right.
@@flickfootsaga_ if you carefully look at my actual reasoning, I never said anything about ethics or what is right. I said Arvind's reasoning is biased and not logical to be extrapolated.
This guy is a example how arrogant a person can be to win a argument 🤦♂️
Arvind is hypocritical right?
@@emergence8217 you are the real example what meat can effect on someone's understanding
@@emergence8217 arvind sir argued his own point very politely but the guy was hypocritical
@@emergence8217 but the was trying to say that why we vegan always say we have to save animals but why we don't plant plants, his point was not bad but his attitude was arrogant
@@bongdudes1327 Bro lets make a comparision. If we Eat Animals then animals will also Eat Plants, In this case we are harming two Species. and Environment too.
But If we only eat Plants then We can Decrease the Cruality. and Envirnment will aso be saved.
So Now What is Right.
I admire your patience Arvind
Logically ye samjhte nhi bcz they come with a mentality of their own to win the argument however they failed.
they just want excuses to continue eating meat, he is also laughing at the end
@@nawabsinghgill yes. Nothing is gonna change untill our consciousness knock us
Just like vegans
Actually sometimes it's really normal.
See like this when we were non vegans we used to think the same way if we are hurting plants or not.
But after just a little bit of research it gets cleared to us.
A simple Google search gives the ans that they aren't sentient.
There is no need for pain if they can't escape.
Also eating plants would use lesser plants than eating animals.
But this guy was not even ready to hear he was just speaking shi*s
@@dv9239you're right
Lovers of Plants are only seen in Veganism conversation. I'm really worried about the word "Lovers" now.....
These lovers don't understand how much their lovely chicken and cows love to eat plants.
Exactly my point! They even talked about it..
1. Animals eat plants, humans eat animals + plants
2. Humans eat plants only
Which is better!?
Being Non vegan doesn't mean he purely survives on meat, he consumes both vegetables and meat! 🤷♂️
I couldn't empathize with a poultry hen.
It's better to eat both meat and vegetables.@@Motivational-lf8zq
@@Motivational-lf8zqhow does this justify eating meat any way...?
@@User35003try to become human then u will know what feelings are...
I feel for you Arvind. He was determined not to listen to your scientific facts.
The argument is that slicing a carrot and slicing the throat of a puppy are the same.
@@veganm8918 ??????????
@@jonjonwp In the video the guy claimed that plants and animals are the same. Hurting a plant is equal to hurting an animal. If so, mowing the lawn is equal to chopping the head off a pig.
@@veganm8918 Why are you telling me this?
@@jonjonwp Agreeing with you and stating and reiterating how ridiculous the counter argument was.
If they ever felt the suffering of animals, there wouldn't even be a debate. These people think they are smart but they don't even read class 9, 10th science book. There is whole chapter of kingdoms .
Well if you can feel the suffering of one living specie then what prevents you from not feeling the suffering of other living species?
I think i skipped those chapters, maybe I'm not smart enough
species is different from what was being argued here. Humans are an animal species, like dogs, cats, and other animals. Plants and animals are not the same species, they are different kingdoms of species all together. so flawed question to begin with@@unknownmysterious9918
Young folks out there are desperately trying defend their urge to eat meat by rationalising cognitive plant abilities to delude themselves into thinking that any other alternative is equally harming the replacement. I genuinely feel Arvind is one of his kind to go out there take these folks’s “immaturity” head on over and over again..For any offended receivers i call em “immature” because they loose the ability to rewire the conversation with the logic thats put forth by both ends
Lol it was never mentioned to avoid meat u ppl altered it
He is not saying you should consume meat. He is saying you should not even consume living plants.
Imagine denying basic biology and calling the logical side immature😂
@@dv9239basic biology? How is plants feel pain biology?
@@bb9a it's not invented yet, that doesn't mean it's not present. Suppose if there was a study that plants also feels pain, or humans detect a machine to feel it's pain do you stop eating plans also? Like eating only the leaves which feel down from the trees. I would appreciate it if you do so. By the way I'm not against veganism, if you can reduce it, good thing. Please don't spread hatred to people who eat meat.
Again, A better way to argue would be to explain the amount of plant resources needed to produce 100g of chicken. Even if we consider that plants may experience some form of distress, a significant number of plants must be used to generate an equivalent quantity of nutrients obtained from animals.
Even more simplified:
We can wonder all day if plants feel pain, but there is no denying that animals do.
They do.
We don't have to ask about what this individual really cares about. He cares about appearing correct and cushioning his feelings.
Not really. Imo a correct way to answer is to answer directly. One might say if I kill an insect or a carnivore then what? you have to ask and answer. The answer is much simple. Plants are not sentient and don't feel pain or have will to live or show emotions. Animals do.
Then they'll say Aravind to stop eating plants and only then they'll stop eating animals
I love chicken. I love kfc !
@@Ajay054 okay, so?
You can cut your nails but not your arm because you don’t feel pain when you cut your nails. You don’t feel sorry when someone’s hair/nails are cut.
I don't feel sorry eating unfertilized eggs
@@dv9239then you should.
@@skincarerainbow4950 why
@@dv9239 cause the reason there is unfertilised eggs is because they aren't allowed to fertilise. Ultimately the hen has to suffer to bring that unfertilised egg to your table. So suffering is involved.
ultimate truth and logicall@@skincarerainbow4950
Simple answer to his QUESTION - It's Because animals feel pain that nature has given them legs to run away from what causes it pain, plants have roots and so it makes NO SENSE for them to experience pain or suffer like animals.
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There's currently a scientific research that plants emits a very low frequency named as "plant pain scream" when being cut. They may not run but they respond to pain.
So you're saying that a person who dont have legs and arms that cannot move should not be given a right???
Ok then why there are carnivores and omnivorous.
Also like he says plants don't have a functioning nervous system...the whole "plant screams" is comparing apples to oranges
@@unknownmysterious9918 Do you feed on animals who feed on air??? If you are so concerned about plants but not animals, then you should not eat plant fed animals.
Kerala people used to be proud about their education, what happened to your common sense 🤣🤣🤣
90 percent litteracy rate but everyone acts like they belong to the next 10 perc
I couldn't empathize with a poultry hen.
@@User35003 Biased empathy! Wow
@@theonewhoknocks6969 i hope you don't know the difference between literacy and education. I'm from kerala and I'm proud to say that too. We may not be as intelligent as you sir, please forgive😂😂😂
Veganism may not make sense to people like us living in kerala who used to eat vegetables and meat ( only if they are coming from Tamilnadu and andra) 😂😂
If they are so much sensitive about plants then why don't they have same for animals to, this argument always there while talking about veganism .
Arvind you are amazing while answering these kind questions
Yep!
He is not saying you should consume meat. He is saying you should not even consume living plants.
he is also not trying to understand difference between consuming plants and meat and this argument always there while talking about veganism. and eating veg, plants and eating meat is same.
being vegan is just helpt to minimise this cruelity. if we are breathing there is also cruelity. for now situation there is only one option for now. to control this large scale cruelity
@@Premanandmestry01 the speaker and you are not understanding the similarity between plants and animals. Both are living, both experience stress. Why would you artificially consider a 'brain' as requirement?. You could just eat the fruits that have already fallen like some extreme moralists do ...
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 Do you consume only fruits nothing else than that? If genuinely YES. I RESPECT you. for living you have to eat something and there will be always cruelity in it and eating fruit is also cruelity then.
Hats off to you Arvind for answering such fools so politely and shame on such fools for not paying attention while you are making them understand facts
He is not saying you should consume meat. He is saying you should not even consume living plants.
That guy just broke the whole vegan argument , vegans love to be selective on what they consider cruel , all live is important and one must just live on pills and water if they want to be cruelty free by that logic
Some people make a really hard effort to resist change their behavior.
Is it just me or is there a spike in plants rights activists?
That is what happens when ppl dont have fathers at home
yeah it started just after the veganism spike
There is a spike because the field of plant consciousness is finally having serious studies being done. I HIGHLY recommend looking into it because both of the men in this video are not doing it justice. Arvind does not consider plants in the same way people do not consider chickens, and the other man is unable to argue his point.
@@dingo_duck It's not about plant's rights or animal's rights. It's about how as humans we can (should) minimize pain and suffering in the world. Animals need to feed on PLANTS in order to grow large enough to produce flesh for meat eaters therefore a meat eater is responsible for causing more suffering to PLANTS as well as ANIMALS. If you are a dedicated plant's rights activist then you should promote veganism more than vegans do.
@@SG-rc7tn why would a plants rights activist promote eating plants when animal rights activists do not promote eating animals? You are still thinking in a biased way. The number of plants that die in proportion to animals is incredible. Just because you have not researched how plants experience the world does not discount their suffering.
Decomposition is already on the way ! Had me rolling and laughing on the floor. People who argue plants and animals feel the same pain are just in total denial so that they don’t feel the guilt. I literally get sleepless nights many times with heart feeling heavy with deep sorrow thinking about the pain and suffering of these poor animals that is caused by humans.
The summary is eating plants is minimum himsa and eating animals is maximun himsa...even when you breath or walk on road you may kill many small insects or organisms. So every himsa cannot be avoided also. So we have to select the option which has lowest himsa ...it is like live and let live philosophy..in Mahabharatha you can find some sages like Drona following a even more ideal life style than vegetarianism. ..thry used to eat only the fruits leaves which have been fallen down naturally from trees or discarded by animals so that unplucked fruits on the trees are allowed for the birds and animals to eat..this is difficult than vegan life style ..
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@@mayurbanerjee3748I didn’t see a human meat in your list. fyi, human meat is the most tasty food in this planet. go try to get it 👍🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠
After listening to these types of guys I have to say this plant lovers have no logical argument but they always try to win the argument.
I see his face. Looks like he never went to high school and never studied nervous system and endocrine system. Trying to look smart and proving himself a big fool 😅
He actually does have one. All he is trying to say is plants can also have feelings just like animals. Their method of showing that pain is not the same as animals.
@@terminator5481 ok then can u explain me where is brain of plants to feel pain 🤣
@@Kim66869you don't need a brain for consciousness/feel pain, we humans/other animals form consciousness with help of brain as an instrument, but it's also possible to form consciousness from the void (checkout Boltzmann brain), it is possible for plants to have consciousness just not similar to us, they might also feel pain, we just don't know
But they are definetly living beings they have cells, each of their cells has nucleus, mitochondria,etc and also produce offsprings
😂 For a plant based alien civilization vegetarians would like they cut their brothers/sisters genitals and eat their babies
Anyway my point is people should eat whatever they want inorder to survive , just don't kill /distroy any living being unnecessarily
@@Kim66869 not brain but a central nervous system...... I think you wanna say that
One thing we have to understand that Plants is the only species that can produce food by its own. Nature maade in such a way that all other species must depend on Plants for food. So we cannot save Plants by any means. But we can save Animals. When there is an option to save animals, what is stopping us to do that?
Nature just happens..it's not morally driven.
@@bratwurstmitbiryani We have no options of saving Plants brother. But we have options that is 100% possible of not killing animals. Atleast we can save animals and a lot of Plants by not eating meat.
@@SaravananVallalaragriculture destroyed more natural habitats than hunting
@@dv9239 That agriculture includes Animal Agriculture too.
Nature has developed diverse diets for different species. While some animals, like herbivores, primarily survive on plants, others are omnivores or carnivores, relying on a mix of plant and animal sources for sustenance. Evolution has shaped species' dietary preferences based on their biology and the available resources in their environments.
Keep up the good work arvind sir 🙏👍
A simple point that Anatomy of Plants is way different from the animals would've ended it. The bark of the of the tree is not a fully living tissue like our skin( except the the outermost part of skin), and latex is a byproduct of metablism which occurs in plant and not really usefull for it, whereas blood is a living tissue which is essential for us. Rather than a layman, no other fine person on earth would percieve both as same.
Also, the mechanism which plant uses for coordination is endocrine, while humans uses neuro-endocrine, where brain is a component of neuro part. Both the mechanisms are way different in working and just can not be compared.
These jokers come up with “yeah..but don’t plants feel pain?” (as though they are the first come up with the idea)…and they use that as an excuse to kill sentient animals.
Totally stupid
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I'll tell you a better counter argument against these plant sympathisers. Use their own logic against them. Animals eat plants for months to years before being consumed by humans, so they are essentially a highly condensed form of plants. A chicken that weighs 3-4 kg now was fed 20 - 25 kg of plants over its lifetime. If you now eat this chicken, aren't you indirectly responsible for way more plant kills than a vegan? If you care about plant pain as an animal eater, then you must consider how many more plants you hurt by eating animals instead of eating plants directly.
People can go to any lengths with this one. Let's say someone said well what if I eat an animal that was small and a baby? This time they will say empirically they are consuming less plants than a vegan. A better answer is just to directly answer their question.
@@Mayur_Kedare Well, the baby was in its mother's womb for a long time and its mother was eating. Any animal product always takes more plants than its own weight to produce, because there is no animal in existence that converts 100% of its food into bodily mass, except for bacteria maybe.
Long live Arvind
Do I think plants deserve respect and consideration? Yes. Am I going to stop eating plants? No, I am not a breatharian yet.
hahahaha
This is why i eat a hypercarnivore diet.
@@GarudaLegends The most unsustainable diet on the planet. The only natural humans that eat like that are the ones that have no choice, like the Eskimos.
@@julioandresgomez3201 false. Not everyone can eat like an Eskimo. Lol. The best diet is a local hypercarnivore diet that avoids imported food. Way better that a vegan, vegetarian, and your imported Eskimo diet. The worse diet however is the vegan diet.
@@GarudaLegends If everyone eats like that the planet goes to hell. Earth is just not made to support 80 billion farm animals, between 100 and 1000 times more they´d ever be naturally (or without human intervention).
I have been observing in every video, there is shortage of time. Please try to ask for more time from the host. Good work. May the world go vegan. May you live long and healthy.
So this person can readily and willingly watch an animal being dismembered, but are disturbed by watching a chef prepare a salad? Please. I'd call it mental gymnastics, but there's hardly any mind involved.
He is not saying you should consume meat. He is saying you should not even consume living plants.
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374you got it. But most of the vegan fans didn't understand what his point was about. Be like Jains...❤❤
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374but that isn't possible
@@Anonymous_critical_thinker it's possible. Damn this guy seems to have deleted most of the comments on this thread. Extremists can survive only on fruits etc which has fallen off from the trees on their own.!
@@goddalehundibharathraj4374 it's not possible to survive on fruit etc fallen from tree because the number of fallen goods ( fruits etc) will not meet the requirement of so many people , at the end you have to cultivate crop
According to me any sort of consumption causes suffering but it is on us to choose the consumption method which can cause the least amount of suffering that's why I am a vegetarian
Arvind you won my heart ❤️ now 😊😊😊
You are true human
Hey Arvind. I know these lectures are over a year old now, but just some feedback for the future - your dead human and living human example is a pretty bad way to explain your point. I think you'd be better off going with the hurting a live human vs plucking an apple example for this, and also mentioning that most plant food on earth is animal feed like you do sometimes.
Hi Arvind! The thing to understand is that if we don't eat a vegetable or fruit when it is mature enough to be plucked and eaten, it dies; while for animals - they are, more often than not, not even allowed to live out their entire lifespan because of the meat industry.
Someone I once said this to argued that in the wild too animals don't live out their full lifespan. Firstly, several do. Secondly, predatory animals and birds don't engage in rampant killing. Thirdly, till the moment an animal in the wild is killed by a predatory bird or animal, s/he lives in freedom - something humans rob from animals born and raised in factory farms.
Arvind bro i have one doubt here... If plants can produce some toxic substance or having spikes to make sure its not eatan then they dont want them to be eaten just like animal or bird or human !!! Isn't it ?
why? why this kinda goofy questions? every living thing in this planet wants to survive .🙄
@@San-naS exactly
Why are you taking plants with spikes on it as a example. See the vegetables you use in daily life . I am growing lady's finger, tomatoes and brinjals. All of these plants we are harvesting the ripe ones before they get damaged and fall from the plant. So, it's not killing the plant or doing harm to the plant. The motive of every living species is to grow and spread it's variety. After harvest, we are keeping the seeds safe for planting again. So we can say this as mutual benefits for both humans and plants. But for animals, if we kill an animal, we can't reproduce the same animal of our own. Even though It's genetically possible but still it needs an animal of the same kind to create a new one again .
@@San-naSHow can it do so? I thought plants don't have any cognitive ability to understand and solve problems? Why did it grow throws if it doesn't understand that not having thorns is detrimental to its survival?
@@angel_nithisaAll of the vegetables you eat are a result of selective breeding using scientific techniques by humans. Humans artificially created these living creatures for their own sustenance. Harvesting field grown crop is no different than slaughtering a farm grown animal. Give that cognitive ability and brain BS to the next person listening.
He just keeps going in circles while adding additional layers of complexity to the argument with each round he takes...😂
True
Well unlike this guys who makes incorrect comparison. Comparing a living thing that doesn't have a brain to a dead person. Dead and living is different words.
You guys are like saying a person who is brain dead but still alive doesn't have any right anymore.
There's a scenario that a person can still be alive with medical machine but claim as brain dead. This you can compare to a plant.. Not the dead hollow body/shell of a being. Imagine this when hurting plants and eating them that youre eating and hurting brain dead patients but still alive
Thank you so much!! 🌱💚
Remember the joke you made about the firemen saving the watermelon? You should have done that one. Because it makes it quite clear how silly this is.
a watermelon is a product of a plant - it is one of his very poor comparisons. He should compare the watermelon vine to an animal to be the most fair. Watermelons don't die and he knows this, but is being intentionally disingenuous.
Once Supreem Ghimire said on Quora
"Let's ignite change, let's create a moment - The vegan movement striving to transcend retribution.
For those who believe in God:
In the God/divine tongue, or let's say, in Sanskrit, the word Meat means 'mamsa'. Mamsa signifies 'Mam' meaning 'Me' and 'Sa' meaning 'He.' This subtly implies that as I inhabit this animal now, in my subsequent life, this creature might have an opportunity to consume me in the same way.
And for those who embrace science but not God:
Recall the motion lessons from your school days and delve into the laws of motion. The third law of motion states that for every action, there exists an equal and opposite reaction. Furthermore, Modern Science's recent revelation about the multiverse concept isn't fictional; it could hold validity.
Hence, what genuinely matters is your next course of action. It's time for transformation - a transformation in favor of the animals, who, too, possess equal rights and the freedom to inhabit this planet. Embrace your humanity, and become conscious living beings.
In the human context, I'm uncertain about the exact alignment of this statement, but it may hold some relevance."
I north India most of the people are vegitarian if not vegan. But u are doing a tremondous job. As you are talking to people who are mostly non vegetarian. Hats off to you Arvind.
I would have answered like this. Plants releasing chemical is to defend from the insect just like our body produces immune cells and proteins to defend against harmful microorganisms. This does not mean plants feel pain or suffers. Every organism has a biological mechanism to live. There is no pain because when you give anesthesia to a human and giving a cut, humans bleed without pain, it is similar to plant producing the latex rubber and there is no involvement of pain. Plants can communicate and even bacteria communicate by releasing chemicals it doesn't mean that they think they should produce chemicals to signal. There is no thought process it just happens, just like we produce fart without thinking and it is biological it just happens.
Biology and nutrition are highly recommended for justice and compassion
The ability of plants to feel pain, as animals do, is a topic of debate among scientists. While plants respond to stimuli and can signal distress, they lack a nervous system and pain receptors like animals have. Instead, they react to environmental changes. This area of study is still evolving, with ongoing research aiming to better understand plant responses to various stimuli.so it is not that plant do not feel pain it just we don't know.
Peeling the bark of a tree is like sheering a sheep of its wool
Its not painful we get wool sheep is alive
I would like to answer the kid's question... He was saying that plants are also living being so they also feel the pain. Yes he was right. We should not cut big old trees which have been at that place for a very long time. I hope you have seen trees like peepal, Neem, bargad. You would feel connection with them. You would feel bad if you would come to know that somebody has cut them down. Be environment friendly. But eating fruits and leaves is not same as eating an animal hands and legs. Have you ever seen an animal shedding its own hands, legs and other body parts? but plants do. That is the difference. The plants and trees are your parents. You can enjoy their biproducts. If you really care about environment then please go vegan. Because Meat industry and therfore dairy industry is the greatest reason behind many environment issues.
Just imagine deciding to stand up in front of a class full of your peers - straight after watching the horrors of the animal farming industry - and blurt pseudo science about how plants can feel pain. massive cringe
Look I know how passionate people are with their respective 'isms'. And I am not here to demonise or ridicule any side. Choose whatever suits you the best. However, I can't deny the possibility of pain among plants. In plants we tend more to reduce the same thing into 'biochemical pathways of defence/stress management' than to just call it 'pain'. And we do it to animals as well. But still, its much more easier to empathize with an animal than to a plant(However example of genuine empathy towards plants could be seen in movements such as the Chipko movement. Genuine empathy, and not that emerges solely for justifying meat eating practices) Similarly its easier to emphathise with a human than to an animal. Further, one would prefer to light up a corpse than a living human. So it all boils down to empathy. And just like pain, empathy is not just a fleeting emotion. It also serves a great evolutionary purpose, thus must be acknowledged for the continuity of our species.
Remember, that our ever depreciating empathy for the seeds of certain plants made them evolve into the cereals & pulses we know and love today(though lot it has changed nutritionally as well.) Maybe the same thing is happening with certain animals. The point is that life has no dead end, it finds its course, either ruthlessly or in a balanced manner. Choice is ours. We have to choose somewhere between the two extremes- 1. misanthropy 2. cannibalism.
Really enjoyed this debate between two passionate people. I am not worried about who is wrong or right. Concern for both plants and animals ( forget the biology) is heart touching. Compassion towards animals and plants is both necessary and wise. At the same time, we humans have to consume life to sustain our lives - life we consume may be in the form of a plant / animal. We can Choose plant instead of animal to create lesser pain. Lets accept the fact that we are cruel, we cause pain and gain from it. But as conscious beings we can cause lesser pain by choosing plants. Afterall we are human beings. Not GODS... ( What i mean by pain is not the pain triggered by nervous system. I am referring to the pain (fear) sensed by other species when we challenge its survival instincts).
Bruhhh there's a reason why plants are the primary producers and we animals are consumers
If one believes in the creator who is all-knowing and incapable of committing mistakes. Then it is foolish to think that plants can suffer and feel pain. Because a perfect being will never create something like a plant, that cannot shade its burning leaves from the scorching heat of the sun. And cannot seek shelter when there are storms and thunder is a dumb thing. To create something that will just suffer in its entire existence does not constitute an intelligent designer
The all knowing God also created prey animals
@@dv9239 Unlike plants, prey animals can still run, hide or even fight for their lives
@@nomindstateyeah cause youre blind. Plants are much more vulnerable but that doesnt give you the right to kill and eat them also.
What do you think of plants having thorns, poison, bitter taste, making you blind, giving you blister? Why are those existent in some plants if they just want to get eaten....
Animals can get away from natures wrath but a plant cant instead they help those other specie during a natural disaster.... And the fact that they are helping people also during disasters what made you think that they can also be eaten????
Its like backstabbing someone who help you a lot. Stupid
If you can fight for a specie that doesnt even help you what prevents you from not defending the right of another living organism that actually help you in your life...
A plant gives you air
A plant fights pollution
A plant gives shelter from the sun
A plant fights flooding
A plant gives fruit
A plant attracts other organism
And an animal? Just living in nature trying to survive????
You fight for the latter one whp doesnt even give you anything but you dont find for something that helps yoy live.. Stupid person think about it.
Acharya prashant was right because we all are worshipping tree as god here, if we tell them that plant is not sentient they can't connect with these statement. that is the problem here . We can't differcient between plant and animal because everything has a life, as written in our spiritual literature .
good job bro
Arvind's point,
He is comparing dead animal to plants, completely senseless.
Work has been done by Jagadish Chandra Bose regarding sentient nature of plants.
The boy was determined in opposing even when he knew that he was clueless and all of his points were invaluable. He just wanted to pass time. Ignore such fools. You are doing a great job.
Non-vegetarians shouldn’t be the ones to discuss the pain plants might feel. Here are my questions:
Can you consume meat fresh, without any plant-based spices or seasonings?
We aren’t chopping down entire trees to eat. We simply pluck a fruit or vegetable that would fall in a few days anyway. It’s akin to trimming a beard.
I would clearly disagree with eating plants if we were killing an entire tree to eat. However, that’s not the case.
Take rice for example. Rice is harvested when the crop cycle is complete and the plant is already dead.
As for vegetables, if left unpicked, they would naturally fall to the ground within a few hours. We pick them at this stage.
So, our consumption is more about no pain harvesting than killing.
This arrogant person does not want to agree, that is the problem here. Arvind has high patience level. Keep going !!! thanks for educating us from these videos.
Wow such a clarity of thought and such a patience to explain it. For the moment I thought that person was right and thankyou for your inputs on how he is wrong.. I understood that.
Aravind is a good inspiring teacher
Vegan for the animals 💗💗💗💗
Love your work
He sounds like a Neil Degrasse Tyson disciple.
Lmao
we cannot know anyone's mind, including that of individual humans. that is no justification to exploit animals.🌱
I would like to offer a brief perspective challenging the moral justification often attributed to veganism. While the ethical treatment of animals is a commendable concern, it is crucial to recognize that moral values can vary widely among individuals and cultures. What might be deemed morally imperative by one may not hold the same weight for another.
Moreover, one could argue that humans have been omnivores throughout history, and our biology suggests a natural inclination towards a varied diet that includes both plant and animal products. Consequently, adopting a vegan stance might be seen as an imposition of a specific moral viewpoint on a diverse range of ethical beliefs.
This note seeks not to dismiss the ethical considerations associated with veganism but to emphasize the importance of respecting differing moral perspectives when engaging in discussions surrounding dietary choices.
So many plants rights activists out there when you mention veganism! 😂
that kid is wise and arvind lost 🦋 I'm a vegan but I agree with the kid. Intelligence is common whether we are sentient or non sentient who decides it😮💨... But one thing we have to choose by our senses will we see the pain n fear n scream of a creature n even then kill it after witnessing it. Or we choose to kill some plants cos we don't see the suffering in them. Simple but no one can argue that plants are lesser than animals or humans ever life matters and equally important.
Interesting point... Obviously, the expert speaker missed this and called him wrong 😞
Simple.
Cut a brach of a plant and plant it on the soil. It will grow!
Similarly, Cut a leg of any animal and plant it on the soil it will not grow!
Eat the food that lives so that you live longer and dont eat the food that decomposes so that you dont decompose soon.
He has a point both are trying to understand each other and logicaly nice debate.. ❤
Basically, Its like comparing bicyle and motorbike.
Both have 2 wheels, but one has engine and other doesn't.
The guy in the audience is saying - Just like motorbike, bicycle also run on a fuel, which we don't know yet.
So its similar to a motorbike and we must have petrol bunks for them.
Bicycles, Also deserve to have their own bunks. Why discriminate!
What he fails to understand is, a Bicycle, does not have a motor to begin with.
Hence, There is no need to have a petrol bunk for bicycle.
No Motor = No Petrol
❤🎄❤please celebrate the season of peace, love, and joy, by refusing to participate in the exploitation of innocent animals. please live vegan, from now on.💚
sir your debating skills are very good
The question is not if plants feel pain. Maybe plants feel great pain when burning or hit with an axe but that is not relevant to human diet. The question is, do plants feel great pain when you pick the fruits or seeds or whatever?
Why selectively torture plants
Do you live from thin air? Are you an autotroph?
@@dv9239 Do you eat periods of all animals? The blood they shed during those periods? That's what fruits are, a way to multiply. They were made to attract animals looking for sugar and starch who'd peel it to help the seeds disperse. Fruits and vegetables are meant to be shed off. You can wait for it to fall like some groups who do that. But that is never applicable to sentient beings like animals.
Hello Arvind, I wanna go vegan and I'm convinced by everything you said to go in that direction BUT I HAVE A QUESTION , we're told that plants can feel vibrations i.e. if we grow the plant with love and words of positive affirmation , they tend to grow faster , healthier and more beautiful than ever , just like animals and us humans. Then does this mean they feel pain as well? I mean obviously they can sense it. Isn't sensing and feeling the same?
I'm asking this because I really don't wanna harm any being for my selfish reasons. Although I do want to survive.
Vegans argue that just because plants don't have brains and can't scream and cry to show their pain and suffering, they don't actually suffer.
@@Viper60589so according to science you have believed that plants are living beings.By the same way do some research done by the same scientists ,telling plants are not sentient beings.It is not proved at all.
I agree with you,
But I want to ask that you r saying we can't compare animal and plant while you're comparing a scenario of living and dead with a scenario of both living
And I also want to ask you that will it be ethinic if we kill animal after paralyzing them with anethisia
Simple explanation is if we eat tomato, mango or any fruits or most of the vegetables, and throw the seeds away, we get new plants and trees. But if we eat chickens, mutton, fish, crabs and prawns and throw the bones or shells, away v dont get new chickens, mutton, fish, crabs and prawns.. So veganism is a kind of loving plants and animals.. But nonvegans shows discriminations by loving some animals and killling some animals.
I must show this video to the Australian firefighters. They focus on saving humans, their homes and wild life only when putting out fires. I am yet to see a report saying firefighters braved the fires to rescue ten trees cause plants have feelings.
The signal he is talking about is not communication but message of fungus which lives in roots with a symbiotic relation with tress. Since in jungle, tress are close to each other, roots of various plants intertwine and fungus also connect with each other. So when we cut trees, it is the fungus which react to stimulus. It is not plant cognition or communication. Pranav Radhakrishnan has explained it well in one of his video.
Point is simple man
If u have so much concern for plants u will anyway not eat animals
The biggest addiction we never talk about is the addiction to tasty food which mostly comes from meat / non veg .so all the Intellectual arguments are laid to defend this addiction
Since ages we have been brought up and been in such a mindset that killing animals and eating them is fine. And when someone is letting us know the truth. Helping us to lead an ethical life and be humane to animal kind, everyone finds a point to debate. If we can have an alternative to not kill plants, definitely we can. But we eat plant based food to sustain. We have an option to be herbivores. Our simple choice ends suffering of a species. Hope one day we see the change.
Arrogance exists because most people want to win an argument rather than reaching a logical conclusion. I have seen most discussions where people think that not eating dead bodies of animals is somehow against plant kingdom. As if the animals they eat grow in size by eating and drinking air.
Very nicely answered by Arvind bro. Kudos sir ❤👏🙏
These plant activists should organise together or something
The questioner has a point here. But the presenter is aiming to save animals killed for meat. The questioner is right that plants too have some sensations, thats why we also need to save and protect plants and trees. Point taken.
Three types of vegetarians in india.
1. Vegan
2. Vegetarians
3. Caste vegetarians- people who are vegetarians just becuz of their caste. They use vegetarianism as tool to justify caste discrimination👍
Probably the only comment I see in this portal where vegetarianism is linked to caste!! it had to come since we as a country are only looking for how we are different and blame each other!
let's be real - we humans can be pretty thoughtless. We waste food like it's nothing and don't see how our actions are wiping out animals left and right. It's not cool. Animals aren't the ones messing up; we are. So, how about we start caring a bit more and living a bit wiser? It's all about respect and making small changes.
Do a conversation with Acharya Prashant on topics of veganism. It will help spreading awareness...
Even if you are vegan the crops which you grow involves hurting animals like capturing the land on which animals use to roam.killing the pests and insects.also like uprooting the whole root plants cause death to the plants like potato etc.
Ok then watch some some documentary and slaughterhouse videos..u will get your answer
Aravind Anna 😊 ,idhellam kettu neega porumaiya reply pannuradhu super , respect❤ for your patience level 🎉
Great point about heart and organs not feeling but alive.
Plants do feel the same way as we are but problem is that we are not that advanced to record their responses they produced . There are research papers which talks about poping like sounds produced by plants in draught like conditions or water scarcity . Plants are sensitive to music , chaos , atmospheric pollution etc . For me the concept of vegetarian is bogus thing . Eat whatever keeps you healthy & fit .
They don't have a brain. How can they feel?
Using plants 🌱
To justify kill Of animals
Is worst way to show your Thinking power.
If plants feel the same way then
Why don't they move or shake their hands(branches)
Body (stem)
Just like animals shake when cut
I know plants don't have Mouth to shout
But they do have a whole body
So why don't they Shake their body just like animals a
Shake during cutting
If they have Same level of feelings of pain .
Goodness gracious, that's a University???? 😱
The idea should not be the stop the cruelty completely ... it is to reduce as much as we can. If we start eating veg only it will still reduce the cruelty to plants also. We will need less plants to feed livestock and that will eventually result in less cruelty to plants and animals.
I feel the same amount of empathy towards the chicken/goat I eat, as a lion/tiger/any other meat eating animal has towards its prey.
That poor poor student - he must be starving to death! He is so sensitive to plants, grass, trees lives ,etc.,etc, so I guess he NEVER EVER dared eat animal flesh! Arvind explains so well yet some people are just so desperate to defend thier animal flesh eating ways.
A mature but stupid discussion.Arvind kept all the right facts.I mean even they know that they don't mean most of the things they are saying.Not everything is understood when put into terms of an academic theory.He just argued for so long about plants feeling pain.If a tree is providing me an apple,that apple happens to be a good food for sustainability of a human body,with no tendency for the tree to consume it itself.However ,when apple is eaten by a human followed by excretion,that excretais going to help the tree(nourishing the soil with organic nutrients)to be in a proper ecological cycle.Have you ever wondered why when any animal's excreta gets covered with worms and pathogens when left in the open.Because it is loaded with nutrients.Which are good for the health of the soil.On the other hand an animal doesn't bring its neck to you to just be kept under the knife.It has nothing to offer to humans.You don't need academics to see this ,only basic observation.Although capitalism never allows to observe.
We can try to understand these things by Nature.
We have eyes to see and ears to hear
so when we try to harm an animal it will cry and run to save its life.
with our naturally gifted senses without any extra science or other imparted knowledge.
While when we see plants are already gifting their fruits and shedding them to not only humans but even birds and other beings.
Just see the nature and learn from it atleast the basic stuff.
Arvind agreeing to the fact that plants do produce certain chemicals to send messages across all the other plants in vicinity when they sense danger and produces chemicals to taste bitter so no one eats them clearly shows that they don't want to get eaten...
Nonviolence and mercy is the essence of Hinduism
Your Awesome Arvind!!
So Inspiring!!
Namaste!🙏
@@paul_SEALshell yeah 🥓🍗🍖🍖🍗🐐🐔🐖🥓🧆
Just curious, if we have a genuine answer to this; even if we suppose that plants can't feel pain, we still understand that plants have survival instincts and if we kill them i.e. restrict them to grow further and die naturally, it would still be against their will; given that would it be justifiable to kill plants
They speak like this because only if they speak illogically arvind will upload his video so that he can become infamous and impress his classmates... please don't encourage such people by making them popular sir..
Arvind, you are doing a wonderful job. we support you. keep going. I am vegan myself. 😀😀
I just don't get it even though they can see cruelty from there eyes of animals who dies. But plant produce layer by layer on to their skin. They have fruits which eventually fall bythemselves and will get degrade if not used. People compare living moving and eating oraganism with plants. And trying to justify the reason of eating meat while comparing to plants whose pain they can't even see with their naked eyes. So, isn't the answer should be u should choose to eat which is less cruel than being most cruel
I like that guy in blue checked shirt giving that look and wondering 💭 how in the world r u so dumb bruh !!! 🤣🤣🤣😂