This one's an interesting draft. There's a clear hinge point at P1p6 where I thought taking the Stoneforge over the Candelabra was probably the correct pick, and then seeing Skullclamp right off the bat at P2p1 and then both Batterskull and Kaldra Compleat in P3 furthered that thought. Would be interesting to see the final build in the universe where that choice was made, lol.
It's interesting because I find Stoneforge/Candelabra to be roughly equivalent, coming down to preference. Candelabra gains value with workshop, academy, cradle, saga, lotus field. Stoneforge with clamp, bskull, kaldra, jitte and then marginally other equipment (you probably wouldn't play SF with just one of the minor equipments, or at least LSV wouldn't in the style of decks he likes). Both are 0's if you don't get their pieces. Stoneforge has the upside of being more stable/more likely to have it's pieces come around, but candelabra has a *much* higher ceiling. Not really making any particular point other than observing how fascinatingly similar those 2 very different cards are in this context.
To me Candle was the easy choice...the drafting clamp over Cradle and saying no to all the other things that work with Candle was the odd part for me. Could have had Cradle, High Tide, Kitten, Time Spiral, spell seeker to go with the pest infestation and high tide...
Can't believe LSV didn't take Cradle to go with his Candle and then also turned down hightide when he had Candle and Kitten....I feel like LSV really undervalues the Kitten and Candle interaction. Also: I think in general taking broken lands is correct over taking broken cards. You almost always are cutting cards at the end so you get the full broken land power for your deck where you only get the difference in power between that card and the card you had to cut for it.
28:40 is exactly why I don't like the existence of snow basics. You're either giving up a non-zero amount of win percentage or you're giving up getting to play with your favorite basics.
@@jonathanrfisher I think they mean that if I'm watching game two, knowing this match ends in 2 minutes 37 seconds means I can infer this is the last game of the match, spoiling the rest of this game?
I thought for a second the crop rotate in round one was gonna get a maze of ith. Not sure if it's in this version of the cube but would've been interesting
massive fan and loving all the team drafts! Just a heads up, youtube keeps unsubscribing me from the channel for some reason? Not sure if its just me or what but i've seen it happen on a few other channels. much love from philly
Fun deck! The other day I was playing Historic Brawl on Arena and my opponent played Displacer Kitten with Etali, Primal Conqueror in a deck mostly made of noncreature spells to trigger Etali something like 5 times in a row. Would love to see you pull that off in this cube 😆
Spike feeder over auger in pack 1 lets you take heliod for infinite life combo over a talisman in pack 2. I don't feel that lsv likes heliod spike feeder combo that highly, though.
Pack 3 pick 1 I would have taken Finale. It can ge you your Urza if you have Winter Orb in hand, and late game with a lot of mana you can possible get x=10 if your have an urza in play. Crucible did basically nothing at that point.
You'd need two zero mana artifacts to make that work, displacer kitten is a cast trigger so when you flicker aether channeler, it won't see the mox because mox will still be on the stack.
I'd like to see you do a stip draft where you never mention the card your going to take or the deck your drafting and instead reference anything but your actual plan and then jebait tf out of us. I suspect it will be really difficult to compartmentalize and might be funny to watch 😂
Love the drafts, but I'm cursing the 60 fps. I want the 1080p, but my bandwidth isn't always enough for it. Is there another reason to have high fps except incredibly smooth mtgo animations?
I feel like as the regulars learn what type of decks the others like to draft, they naturally avoid that when drafting around them except for key hate drafts. This would lead to an inbred metagame if true. We'll see
It's almost the entire point of this kind of game. Also there's also an inherent opportunity here. By hate drafting some cards that they think LSV likes highly, that means that they are necessarily underdrafting other things. LSV can now switch his strategy and get passed stronger cards. Drafting is very self-balancing. You can exploit pretty much any decision from the other drafters as long as you are flexible enough.
Literally the point of team drafting, and Luis often does this himself ("I can't pass Sandy a Thalia second to last pick" is a phrase he's used in the last 2-3 days if I remember correctly)
In addition to what others have said in defense of this, I sort of assume there are stakes on all of these drafts, so expecting people not to go as hard as possible is asking a lot.
This one's an interesting draft. There's a clear hinge point at P1p6 where I thought taking the Stoneforge over the Candelabra was probably the correct pick, and then seeing Skullclamp right off the bat at P2p1 and then both Batterskull and Kaldra Compleat in P3 furthered that thought. Would be interesting to see the final build in the universe where that choice was made, lol.
It's interesting because I find Stoneforge/Candelabra to be roughly equivalent, coming down to preference. Candelabra gains value with workshop, academy, cradle, saga, lotus field. Stoneforge with clamp, bskull, kaldra, jitte and then marginally other equipment (you probably wouldn't play SF with just one of the minor equipments, or at least LSV wouldn't in the style of decks he likes). Both are 0's if you don't get their pieces. Stoneforge has the upside of being more stable/more likely to have it's pieces come around, but candelabra has a *much* higher ceiling. Not really making any particular point other than observing how fascinatingly similar those 2 very different cards are in this context.
To me Candle was the easy choice...the drafting clamp over Cradle and saying no to all the other things that work with Candle was the odd part for me. Could have had Cradle, High Tide, Kitten, Time Spiral, spell seeker to go with the pest infestation and high tide...
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“I have Candelabra, so I am on the lookout for the fancy lands.”
You didn’t really need Candelabra for that to be true though.
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Can't believe LSV didn't take Cradle to go with his Candle and then also turned down hightide when he had Candle and Kitten....I feel like LSV really undervalues the Kitten and Candle interaction.
Also: I think in general taking broken lands is correct over taking broken cards. You almost always are cutting cards at the end so you get the full broken land power for your deck where you only get the difference in power between that card and the card you had to cut for it.
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has winter orb ever not wheeled? Kind of surprised to see you take it over remand.
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28:40 is exactly why I don't like the existence of snow basics. You're either giving up a non-zero amount of win percentage or you're giving up getting to play with your favorite basics.
and I don't think the cube gains *that much* from having a blue/green strix and an astrolabe in it either.
Would be great if we had time tags for each part (draft, matches). Thank you for the great content!!
Please don't add separate time tags for matches - it ends up spoiling a lot of them. If there is a DRAFT and GAMES tag that could be good though!
@@foobar-yx5ec I disagree I prefer the QOL adjustment. If you are worried about spoilers just dont skim the video...
@@foobar-yx5ec these are teams drafts. You play all the matches.
@@jonathanrfisher Not when one team or the other gets thoroughly destroyed.
@@jonathanrfisher I think they mean that if I'm watching game two, knowing this match ends in 2 minutes 37 seconds means I can infer this is the last game of the match, spoiling the rest of this game?
I thought for a second the crop rotate in round one was gonna get a maze of ith. Not sure if it's in this version of the cube but would've been interesting
Good call. I was thinking maybe a land that ETB gains life. I don’t think either of those are actually in the cube though.
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woth noting time stamp 30:00, if you bounced the mox with channaller you could have had an extra mana to cast garuck or a larger pest infestation.
@14:25: But we have Zuran Orb tho to go with Deathrite 😭
(I just like Deathrite and my playset hasn't seen play since it was legal in Standard)
That first keep was SUS
massive fan and loving all the team drafts! Just a heads up, youtube keeps unsubscribing me from the channel for some reason? Not sure if its just me or what but i've seen it happen on a few other channels. much love from philly
link to the entire cube list?
Im Not playing vintage Cube at all, but I really enjoy These anyway
Fun deck! The other day I was playing Historic Brawl on Arena and my opponent played Displacer Kitten with Etali, Primal Conqueror in a deck mostly made of noncreature spells to trigger Etali something like 5 times in a row. Would love to see you pull that off in this cube 😆
Spike feeder over auger in pack 1 lets you take heliod for infinite life combo over a talisman in pack 2. I don't feel that lsv likes heliod spike feeder combo that highly, though.
I was going to even suggest taking the feeder just to hate the combo. Despite the amazing win he pulled off against it last vid, the combo is good.
Infinite life doesn't really do anything, though. It's only good if you can leverage that life to actually do something
Pack 3 pick 1 I would have taken Finale. It can ge you your Urza if you have Winter Orb in hand, and late game with a lot of mana you can possible get x=10 if your have an urza in play. Crucible did basically nothing at that point.
7:23 Not even discussing Noble Hierarch in your Bant deck with Skullclamp and a relatively high curve?
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Wasn’t it more correct to gain infinite mana during round 1, game 2.
Could have bounced our mox, play mox to flicker rather, repeat
You'd need two zero mana artifacts to make that work, displacer kitten is a cast trigger so when you flicker aether channeler, it won't see the mox because mox will still be on the stack.
I wanna play in LSV’s queue so I can pass him academy
I'd like to see you do a stip draft where you never mention the card your going to take or the deck your drafting and instead reference anything but your actual plan and then jebait tf out of us. I suspect it will be really difficult to compartmentalize and might be funny to watch 😂
Love the drafts, but I'm cursing the 60 fps. I want the 1080p, but my bandwidth isn't always enough for it. Is there another reason to have high fps except incredibly smooth mtgo animations?
Hi Luis. It would be cool to do this draft, but not share deck details to teammates. It would be interesting to see how that might play differently.
Would you not then just be doing a regular cube draft?
I’ve never seen a guy as lucky as that HankTheObese. It seems like it’s literally impossible to outdraw him. He should play the lottery more often
Weird to see LSV forcing green recently
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I feel like as the regulars learn what type of decks the others like to draft, they naturally avoid that when drafting around them except for key hate drafts. This would lead to an inbred metagame if true. We'll see
They could try drafting without knowing the order of players. Might help a little.
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terrible keep g1
It sucks that the draft server is taking cards to specifically hate against you, feels like it’d be against the spirit of the game
It's almost the entire point of this kind of game.
Also there's also an inherent opportunity here. By hate drafting some cards that they think LSV likes highly, that means that they are necessarily underdrafting other things. LSV can now switch his strategy and get passed stronger cards.
Drafting is very self-balancing. You can exploit pretty much any decision from the other drafters as long as you are flexible enough.
Literally the point of team drafting, and Luis often does this himself ("I can't pass Sandy a Thalia second to last pick" is a phrase he's used in the last 2-3 days if I remember correctly)
In addition to what others have said in defense of this, I sort of assume there are stakes on all of these drafts, so expecting people not to go as hard as possible is asking a lot.
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