SAVE YOUR MONEY! THERE'S SUCH A THING AS TOO MUCH HORSEPOWER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- John Deere announced a new compact tractor recently, the 4075R. It's their biggest coming in more powerful than the 4066R, and then you jump up into the category of Utility Tractors. And to put it simply, I don't understand it. Who is this tractor for? Why does it exist when the 4066 is so similar?
We'll walk you through our questions about this new tractor and we want to know if you agree or disagree. So leave a comment.
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I might be wrong but I think the 4075R was intended for the inverted pull-behind snow blower operators as a Super Deluxe Snow Cab version. The new, extra HD front axle may also help support that application.
Yes, it was built for municipalities.
If so, then they are terrible at marketing.
@@GoodWorksTractors well let's face it. JD isn't quite in your league when it comes to marketing.
@@frankponte4031 😂😂Maybe not!
Never enough power when moving decent amounts of snow, definitely a such thing as too big for sidewalks, driveways, parking lot and whatever else.
The bulk of compact utility tractor sales are not in the homeowners market. There’s a huge skid steer market some compact utilities can compete with. I can see CU tractors getting more hp and more hd. Snow removal is a prime example of the need for higher hp in a compact utility size
Bought the 5100M John Deere, love it, Pick up tall deer stands without disassembly, 15 ' batwing, genesis 5 drill, monster grapple. BUT, you don't hop on and off large cab tractor easily or go under trees on small roads in the woods, so I bought 35c case with 6' bush hog. If I had 20 acres would get 25 hp, 40-60 acres 35 hp, 80-120 60 hp, etc My final word after having owned several tractors of all sizes is: You need two tractors and a bigger barn than you built !!
I agree on all points!
I am director of facilities for a school district and we have a 4066R that we use for everything including mowing with a 17’ batwing mower, there are definitely times that the mower bogs down and we could definitely use more horsepower. Bigger tractor does not work for us, we can get on our sports fields earlier in the spring with the lighter 4 series than we could with our last tractor that was a 5 series Deere I know ours is a unique situation but it’s an example of the need for the 4075R. As always great video
They should just make an optional upgrade for the 4066r. Such a small niche market. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
I subscribe to the Tim Taylor school of thought.
To address the question at the end: I have a 3046R and have no regrets about getting the highest HP in the frame size. There are several instances where I'm using every bit of power - tilling up hills, pulling a seed drill, running 7' brush cutter, pulling a subsoiler, etc.
Fair points. There are always guys that will push the limits, no matter what it is. I wouldn't ever recommend a 7' cutter to anyone on a 3046r as a dealer. It's generally too large. That's just how it goes.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yeah, I debated going with that large of a cutter for a while, but it worked out. The dealer was skeptical, but 95% of the time it works great, the other 5% of the time I just reduce forward speed and it does fine.
I plow snow commercially and run a 15' flex wing with an L6060. Ive put 3000 hours on l6060s over the past 8 years. I absolutely can use all the HP I can get. Why not get a bigger tractor? I also finish grade 10k sq ft irrigated subdivision yards with curbs, fences and sidewalks with it. If someone made a 100hp tractor in that size I would use all 100hp.
Haha, so you're the one! Top Gun reference came to mind.
I second this. Especially for snow.
@@theloweshow3047 the 4075r has 3HP more at the PTO compared to the 4066r. Pretty much pointless for the extra cost to get it.
I have the 5075, upgraded from a 5045. The 45 was the opposite problem. It got the job done, but was definitely at its max on a few tasks. I love the 5 series frame size, amd figured I can always back off if I dont need all the power, but I have no options if im under powered.
I think they should just have one “most appropriate” horsepower for a given frame size. Maybe it’s 75hp for the 4 series, 25hp for the 1, etc. Reduce the options and increase volume to be more competitive in the market. I do still like the option of different sizes of 25hp rigs to stay under emissions regs. For example, I like the Kubota LX2610 and LX4020, but the 3520 seems like a waste.
I run a slashing business in Australia, a brush hog to you Americans and i find my 4066r to be underpowered to run a 6ft brush hog i think the 4075 would be absolutely perfect for anything you want to run a PTO and plus you’ll never say in a years time you’ll never say god i wish i had less horsepower haha
100% correct!
Remember when you were tilling your garden and said, " I couldn't go slow enough" 75 Hp with hydro transmission. Would of been perfect in that situation
Totally agree. I do fine with my 4044m. Never had an issue with lack of PTO power. I have run a wood chipper, brush hog, tiller, flail mower, post hole digger, no issues.
I agree with you, never have an issue with my 4044m, does everything I need it to do, love that tractor!
Refresh my memory. Is that JD model a HST or is it a power shift transmission?
Hydro. Love my 44m. It has moved a ton dirt, cut lots of tall grass, and graded several areas. Only thing I wish I had in my area is a cab due to dusty conditions.
You have good points in your information you talk about. I enjoy learning about the information you talk about. It all depends what you need to do and and how much land you have to work. Then the options to get the work done.
I think there is some validity to the spec. The 4 series is a good size machine for a small hay operator. If you start looking at disc mowers, the PTO requirements start going up, the 3 point is capable of handling these mowers if the horsepower is there.
I saw no mention of an improved cooling system. I've overheated my 4 Series, overheated my 1 Series...shoot, I nearly overheated my Kubota M4 the other day. Hot work when haying, seems like it's pushing the limits without being fully thought out to me.
Here in Nova Scotia, Canada. Each over 60PTO HP tractor is sold without sales tax as a government agriculture incentive. So when I compair the price of even a 50HP compact tractor, loader, cab ; to an entry level 70HP (61PTO) utility tractor, the 70HP are either dead equal or slightly less than the 50. It's all a matter of what the customer needs, or in some cases.. has room for. Plus, usually the transmission options on the 70HP plus utility sized tractor have more transmission and shuttle options which may suite the users better.
This was an interesting video!
I have a 2019 4066r with under 200hrs loaded with every option, bought it used from an acreage owner. It’s a gem lots of power just wish there was a better seat option but it works just fine it will more than likely my last tractor….
Our biggest issue is our current farm tractor is 60 HP but it's large in size for the property we have. We retired from farming mainly just brush hog now and loader work. So I really like the compact utility tractors like the 4052m and 4066m or the Kubota MX series or Grand L series or even the New Holland boomer/workmaster 45-50 HP tractors.
Totally agree. We had the opportunity to use a 5075E JD on our 20 acres and it's just too much tractor in size and power. Our 40hp Kubota is just about perfect in size. Tractor Hard! 🚜💪!
Stump grinding would be my biggest use for the 4075R. My 4066 handles a baumalight 3p34 but just barely when I'm in bigger (36+ inch) stumps which are common here in the pacific northwest. A little extra PTO power for this application would be awesome. That being said, I have absolutely 0 intention to trade in my 4066 for a 4075.
A lot of good information for anyone wanting to purchase a tractor. Decide what you are using it for and the attachments you will purchase to use on it. Love your videos.
Finally got my own tractor end of this april, a 5103 50HP. I've already put 50hrs on it since. Ran a 7' brushhog, dug out along our rental house to put in a french drain. Dug it down 3' deep x 50' long & 10' wide. I bought it used, with a bale spear/pallet fork. I do like that JD QD. I commonly need 1 pallet of feed a month. Major reason, last winter, we got over 18" of snow in 1 storm. Ended up snowed in for over 2 weeks out of a 3 wk period. Don't want to be like that again. Then, once we get our own place, I want to be able to put up our own hay.
We bought a 4066M open station last year. Our important use case was moving round bales, so the 4 series did that nicely. I was shopping for a 4052, but they didn't have any in their network and because of everything going on, we couldn't get any idea of when we might get one. I also didn't want the 4044 next to it, as I heard from a couple people that it felt underpowered for the frame size. I didn't feel I needed the 66, but it was sitting on the lot, with the transmission I wanted, with no silly markup, so a few days later it got delivered. If they could've told me they could get a 4052 the way I wanted in a week, or even a month, I probably would've gone that route, but we didn't want to risk waiting who knows how long, and I don't regret it. Love this machine.
My grandpa used a ford 9n to farm 120 aces and he was king of the hill. There are so many attachments (new/old) that can do the job just or almost as well that work well on the smaller tractor
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I remember this argument when skid steers started climbing over 80 and 90 hp.
All depends on how the piece of equipment is used. I maxed out the hp for the series of tractor I bought and it isn’t enough. There’s a need for 100 or 120 hp and extra weight in a big compact utility size. Or smaller hydro/auto shift/IVT transmission. This is for the operators who mostly run their tractors in the top third of its work capacity, using the pto and/or pull ground engaging implements. Or perhaps additionally used in some sort emergency response to natural disasters. And a utility size tractor isn’t an option, even though it might be cheaper. This probably excludes 80% of tractor owners and operators.
To say there are a ton of engineering challenges to overcome is a pretty big understatement. I believe the biggest limiting factor is marketing, getting people to drop &1,000 - $1,200 per horsepower….is about what they are doing now, but for 100-150k they’d probably expect a utility tractor or construction equipment.
It comes down to the value of your time and hobby vs non-hobby. I’m going to say this video is spot on for the majority of the hobbyist/casual tractor users or those without constraints of stepping up to a utility size tractor. That’s way less than half of compact tractor users, but the loudest voice online/social media and newest aggressive marketing target.
What would be nice is a way to dial the horsepower on the PTO, so you could run smaller implements with a larger tractor. While it wouldn't be practical for a gear drive tractor, it should be with a hydrostatic system. Basically you're measuring the load on the PTO and if it exceeds the set point, it starts bypassing.
I realize this video theme was around the new four series 75 horse. I’d really like to see JD release a refreshed three series tractor that would include: four cylinder engines, MSL Loader option, Power Reverser transmission, Fifty horsepower, Air seat, Standardized three front SCV and two in the rear, R14 tire availability, Larger rear-mounted fuel tank, etc.
Can you put a bug in their ear.
You are correct. I like my JD4066M but really could use more weight, lift capacity and lift height and overall size for many of my tasks. If I had to do it over I would go with 5 series.
Courtney, I would tend to disagree. I purchased my JD4720 new back in 2007 and it has been a great tractor. I had a couple 4600's and moved up to the 4720 because I wanted the greatest HP available in a hydro tractor. I truly enjoy the ease of running a hydro tractor. If I were going to buy a new tractor I would consider the 4075 for a couple of reasons. First, I use my tractor both for field work and in the woods. I could use a little more HP in the field to pull my 8' disc and a 7' rototiller. I don't want a 5000 series tractor because I use it in the woods and don't want the larger frame tractor with cab, which I feel is not as easy to use in the woods due to hitting limbs branches etc.. I currently have a little over 1000 hrs. on my 4720 w/cab and feel it makes sense to keep it given what I would have to spend to move up.
Just my thoughts, Bob
Most in favor say they need it because of PTO HP....blowers, mowers, grinders. You're getting 3HP more at the PTO. 3HP, that's it. Incredibly insignificant. Very little other upgrades for $17,000 more than a 4066r. It's only $5,700 per 1 HP for that upgrade...no biggie 😂
All I can do is point out the obvious, but folks can spend their money however they see fit! $17,000 buys a heck of a lot of attachments that'll work just fine on a 4066r if you can get by with 3 fewer PTO HP.
I'll answer your first question. I'm using a 2023 Grand L6060 for commercial & residential construction site work of all kinds, and my compact tractor is just the right size to get in and out of back yards and tight areas. But I also use the same tractor for brush hog mowing/clearing with a 6' Woods rotary mower. You can never have too much hp when you're doing serious mowing! The same would apply to the 4075. Very nice machine.
Come on Courtney!! You know as well as I do, you can never have to much horsepower!! LOL! I am like you. I always buy the top trim level. I am mowing a one acre lot with a 4044R with an 84 inch finish mower! It is Great! Yes it is overkill but I like overkill and no horsepower problems! Keep up the great videos!
Would love to see JD release a 5075E or M trim level in a four cylinder engine, much like the Kubota’s M4 and M5.
They run smoother, quieter and have the ability to develop power over a wider power band than the threes. JD is very close to pricing themselves out of the market.
That’ll never happen… While I agree their prices are insane these days. So are Kubota’s. The fact is in many areas around the country. Deere is not only the only thing people will buy. It’s also sometimes the only option available.
I use a 2017 JD 4044R open station quite regularly on my farm, over 650 hours with very minimal issues. I quite enjoy this size of tractor it’s not too tall and it has just enough ponies to easily flail down 8ft tall blackberries. The main negatives I have found with the 4R series is how narrow the tractor is compared to the 5M i have. I tend to feel the tractor isn’t wide enough to mow down banks and hills. I also am a bit disappointed with the lack of power it has maintaining speeds on road gears. I tend to downshift several gears on this shuttlesync transmission to make it up slight inclines. The 4WD on this unit isn’t as strong as the last series I’ve owned of similar HP rating either, none the less this tractor can pull a 3 shank ripper with minimal slippage. From powering a ripper to an 8ft disk with 24in notched blades this tractor really has conquered areas I could never of dreamed of getting too with my 5100M. Very impressed with this tractor just a few minor issues I have with it. If the 4 series started to make wider units that would definitely be a huge deciding factor in getting the new bigger model. I have been toying the idea of the new 4052 however the new price point to what that unit is to what the 4044 was when I bought it new has made me enjoy this work horse even more.
Great thoughts on tractor buying.
I watch what folks on you tube do with their 1025's and wonder sometimes why I spent 9:30 the $'s on a 2038R lol but this one has done everything I need to do
I have a L6060, and i would certainly like more power for snow blowing, stump grinding, extreme brush mowing. I know I could go up a class, but I really enjoy the hydrostatic.
Yeah, the 3HP increase at the PTO is not going to give you much of a boost on the 4075r. Pretty much a pointless upsize. It would really need to be 8-10HP at the PTO to be significant.
@@GoodWorksTractors interesting, I didn't realize it was only 3 PTO HP..... now I'm on your side and agree this is stupid 🤣
I kind of agree, though, with a huge, batwing mower, they do bog down if the grass is wet or thick and a little extra power is it gonna hurt, but I think the biggest selling points are with the northern edition or snow edition whatever they call it where they have the beefed up front end. For logging or doing large sawmill stuff you’ve got that extra beef on the front axle. I wouldn’t upgrade from a 4066 but if I was going to buy a new one, I’d probably go for it, if they’re going to offer the beefed up options on the 4066 then I might consider saving the money. I think it’s like anything else in tractors you fit into a niche and you get what works for your needs. It’s pretty much the same as the 4066 but I’m not gonna cry about a few more horsepower on top of the beefed up parts, either.
You’re right about the fact that most people don’t absolutely need that but you can say the same about any model you can say that nobody needs a 1025R because a 1023E will do the same thing but I don’t really see this as a problem either . It’s a good selling part of the market and they’re making other updates anyway and if they’ve already got the motors in production, then even if it’s just a different number on there as a sales incentive then I think it’s a smart move on John Deere‘s part. I don’t think they went out spending a ton on re-engineering everything on there to do it but I don’t think there’s a problem with it either but I really like the beefed up front end especially if you’re doing logging and sawmill work. And I also have no problem with the cool factor and that keeps it fun and makes people happy as well. I can tell you this if my neighbor had a 4066 and I was going to buy one it would be fun to rub it in his nose that mine was 9 better that his. 😂😂
Between the 4066r and the 4075r they only claim 3 more pto hp output, I don't see that as a big upgrade, unless you can put it to the ground. Both of them are in the range where I would probably switch to a 5060e or something like that, cat 2 implements used to start being a good idea at 30 or 35 hp in the pre-compact tractor world. Sometimes too much power is a bigger problem that not enough, I watched a 4020 pull a cat 1 subsoiler and it broke the tip off before he could get stopped when it caught a rock (that was the only tractor running at the time), but a bigger implement or smaller tractor like the 45 hp that usually did chores like that might have held on long enough to realize what was happening.
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I went with the extra pto hp in the 2038r over a 2032 because I was future proofing. All my tractor does right now is belly mow, loader work, and pull a small dump wagon, but I knew going into the purchase that I would want that extra oomph for more taxing attachments later. I will eventually be using it as my main work horse on a small hobby farm for brush hogging, a big tiller, post hole digger, and small square hay equipment after I move this year. I know my machine will be able to power through everything I ask of it, instead of scratching my head saying, "Can my tractor do that?" I do agree with you on the 4075r tho... At that price, you might as well get a 5e or 5m and have a more capable tractor for about the same money. It is getting harder and harder for any of the brands to ask so much of potential customers for their premium models with the market being what it is right now....
For the not so much higher price over the 4066r .. I ordered the 4075r.. Snow Cab and upgraded everything, including tires.. $64k
I think it may have cat 2 compatability. The 58 hp 4720 is at max hp for some cat 1 attachments. The 5 series does not have hydro trans. I will keep my pre-emissions 4720 and keep the 60k$
I've got a 2020 4066r euro spec, so its optioned with all the tghings that 4075r has, its great for everything i got except running my Howard AH 6' Rotary tiller with bed formers, it really sucks the power. If the 4075r offered more PTO power id add it to the fleet.
I agree with you 100% . I have a Kubota MX5400 gear drive and I think it has plenty of power for its size. I throughly enjoy your videos keep them coming.
I do have a question on your summit tractor. Did you or would you put wheel spacers on it?
The only reason I need 75 HP is to run my 568 5'x 6' bailer and I only need a compact tractor for everything else I use my tractor for. The 4075R fits the bill. My 1500 pick up will pull it and my 10K GVW 20' equipment trailer will haul it. I don't need a F250 or a 20K gooseneck trailer to haul it. The savings are not always obvious as some might think.
The features are improved and I want the 4075, but I’m surprised at how incompetent they are at marketing and information. The dealers are clueless about this tractor and the conflicting information from JD makes trying to order quite comical. JD says the deluxe cab and snow cab have radio but the configurator makes you add radio. The snow cab can’t be ordered with a loader yet they are available. The heavy axle and hydro tranny make this desirable but JD makes it difficult.
We had a 4710, upgraded to a 4720 for the increased horsepower and I wanted a turbo tractor without emissions, I’m a 30 year diesel mechanic and at that time in 2009 I knew what was coming with emissions on tractors due to my mass transit bus technician career, the 4720 has a lot of power for its frame size so much so I only let a few of my experienced heavy equipment operater friends run it, I tell people that 4720 can get you in trouble if your not smart using it due to the power it has, example: using the loader to dig out hard packed dirt, the tractor never blinks an eye with power so you could tear up a loader if your not careful operating it wisely , also I added my third function loader valve 8 years after for my grapple, if I would have added the third function when new the kit would have been $400, 8 years later I couldn’t get the kit and it cost me $1200 to buy it piece by piece from Deere, yes I could have done it cheaper with aftermarket parts but I am picky and wanted all Deere parts, so I tell people just spec it out with everything cause you will need those extra outlets down the road some day, I’m a horsepower junkie too, I think Deere is covering a bigger market with a 75hp Hydro for people who dont want to have a gear drive 75 hp tractor, but with the 4075 problem
Is you don’t have the weight to handle the Hp, my friends h 5075 is a huge jump in loader capacity compared to my 4720
The thing that baffles me is a 75 HP tractor and still comes with catagory 1 three point , Kubota L6060 and the size down L5260 or whatever it is has catagory 2 I believe. That large a tractor having the same catagory 1 as a 1025r is kinda a head scratcher. All the hp in the world don't matter if it can't be put to the ground.
I should be able to take delivery of my 4075r by the end of this week, still hoping they come out with a 4100r there are times when you are pushing hard and using PTO horsepower at the same time the 66 is lacking. For me it is steep driveways and blowing snow.
My friends out west are looking forward to it for the higher elevations. Has the 4066 out there is the equivalent of a 4044 in horsepower.
This tractor was solely designed around the inverted snowblower market. If you go on the Facebook pages that cater to it, the biggest complaints are the front axle being weak, (think heavy front snow plow and lots of transport) the 3-point hitch control is not ergonomic and the horsepower is lacking with a 96 in snowblower.
The 5-series is a really ship tractor to try and do commercial snow removal with they are all bulky and awkward to run.
Everyone seems to favor the 4-series and the 6 m series as you can get a power shift in the 6m
Hey buddy. Im currently in search for a tractor. Please can some help me out. What could be the best john dee to buy right. Especially, if you want to work on a 100 acre land and also do livestock farming in a tropical environment
I have 8 acres that I want to hay farm. What would be the go to tractor and implements I need? I’ve been looking at a lot of small farm innovations hay equipment. Small and easy to use.
Thanks Courtney. Always good stuff. I appreciate your honesty. My issue is I am so uncomfortable on the smaller tractors. I’m almost 6’6 and 260 lbs. I don’t need a big tractor but I think in my case I would need a larger frame just to be comfortable. I don’t have a tractor supply or Home Depot near me to try out the summit. Are the pedals out further than the Deere and Kubota or even Kioti? I think that would be a great tractor if the leg room is better. Your thoughts? Maybe shuttle shift is the answer for me?
I have a 4052R cab tractor with an Erskine hydraulic snow blower, I live on a fairly steep hill …. I would want 75hp. The 52hp runs out pretty quick. The 66hp would obviously do better but the 75 should run it perfectly.
The 4075r will be an amazing fit for our application, residential snow removal. However for most buyers I agree, doesn't make a lot of sense.
Hey Nick, nice to see your name. I'd figure if anyone could use this machine, it would be an outfit like yours. However, I still don't see the great appeal. The 4075r generates 2.1HP more at the PTO or roughly 3% more HP. That's insignificant. What draws you to it over the 4066r?
@@GoodWorksTractors I agree completely, I'm simply like you. Always want to have the best lol.
Wish they had that front axle as an option for the "lesser" tractor hp in the 4 frame size. The front axle gets a workout on the 4 series machines. And loader work is not hp limiting on how much it can lift. Axle leaks suck. Btdt 4600 and 4720 owner.
So we all know now that john deere never heard of the saying "there is replacement for displacement"
IMO the 4066R is the goldilocks of compacts. I have never needed more HP for my applications. We have had customers that bought cab 4044R's conplain about them being underpowered, but never heard any complaints on the 52 and 66's.
I have seen in the parts catalog a electronic SCV option which comes with an electronic joystick for the loader. Im guessing that it will be an option on the new 4R's.
I imagine the JD thinking on this tractor is for people who make hay on small acreage. It’s got enough lift capacity (barely) on the loader for round bales, and with a 60hp PTO you could run almost any round baler. Might have to pinch them off a little early (say, 1100lbs vs 1400lb) but if you’re only cutting and baling 100 rounds a year the frame size is a good compromise for in the yard and in the field.
The downside is that you sort of end up with the minivan of tractors though; it looks like it should handle more than in can, and if you load it up by the way it looks you’ll wear it out pretty quickly. If it was up to my wife, she’d use a minivan the way I use a one ton flatdeck; and I imagine lots of people view tractors the same way.
We do pecan and hay in our operations kinda like that summer and winter income.. and honestly for us it gives us the best of both worlds, smaller shorter frame for our pecan orchard but enough pto horse power for our bailing equipment and we can pull our 9' disc plow with the good clearance in our orchards. Honestly a 5 series tractor is well over 100k now days. For us in the economic and versatile point of view is just perfect for us.
In every fields there will always be people playing the "Pissing contest" or the "inflatable neighbours" games. For no other reason than the bragging rights...
I would step up in frame size before Horsepower. A bigger frame and weight will do more than horsepower! I have a kubota M 6060 and love it !!
Great video with excellent points, but has anyone ever told you you look like Tim McGraw?
High altitude, I run an LX 3310 at 8200-8600 feet. Perfect size tractor I need but I run out of power due to the altitude.
the amount of work that people get done with the 28 to 40 hp range tractors is amazing, no good for what i do, but i am like cursing them, I need my 75 hp but does the same as my friends 90hp, just not as much grunt.
I am with you, I would buy a 5 Series tractor to get more tractor and HP if I needed it.
I have not ran my 4044r out of power yet. 6’ brush hog and loads of loader work. All in the hills of Vermont. I couldn’t justify the price jump to even a 52R.
Thank you! Safe July 4th.
SPEED towing Ground or snow engaging implements...
They claimed “snow removal”. Having sold 4066R’s at a Deere, dealer, I don’t see much the 4075R will do that the 4066R won’t do, especially hydraulically. You can only lift so much before you need to get a physically bigger tractor. What they should’ve done was brought back an updated version of the 110 TLB, I could’ve sold many of those back in the day.
I need to be able to put that horse power into the ground. That is the only issue that i see with the smaller compact tractor. They don't have the tires or weight to be able to put that power into the ground. A heavier tractor with solid gears can just do the job better with less horsepower. Our 8 N has never run out of power, and it only has 26 hp for the work that we have to do. If we had a real farm, we would need a slightly larger tractor for some jobs, but even then 37 HP might(Case 700) do everything that we need. The only issue would be the weight needed for larger set of disks, or HP for a diskbine, both of which we don't need.
Heavy snow blowing or pushing in the northeast takes power , was it introduced as a winter ready pkg. tractor?
Nothing about that on the product page www.deere.com/en/tractors/compact-tractors/4-series-compact-tractors/4075r/
Half of our business is doing only residential snow removal for 5-6 months a year. We only use JD tractors and inverted snowblowers for the driveways. Currently a 4052R and 80” blower. The 4075 to us isn’t that much of an improvement over the 4052/4066 because it will be difficult and rare that we can utilize the extra hp. To really utilize the 4075 we need a redone rear end that is heavier duty and a more hd machine that can take the beating that comes with larger implements. I was very disappointed to see nothing besides the 3pt controls change. The 3/4 series is in need of a serious update and upgrades. The 4 series is an awesome size for driveways and residential areas because it is big enough to run a 80”-90” blower but still compact enough to be about 15ft long and just nimble. It needs a cab update to be more similar to the 5r/m series and larger front tires so they don’t ride so rough. The rest is done well.
If you are running a rear PTO snowblower, the more horsepower the better. But that is for the North.
My LX3310 has enough
My L6060 has enough
But
My M4-71 doesn’t .. I was saying the other day I wish it had 90.
But I feel just like you … Im going to buy the nicest trim level and the highest HP even if I didn’t need it
I have a 2011 4720, I have never felt it needed more power. I looked at a 4075 and honestly could not justify the $81000.00 price tag.
I think they should refine some of the issues with the 4 series first. If I could post pictures on here I’d show you.
I’m not one of the guys that have to have the latest and greatest every year. But I am a firm believer in figuring out what size tractor you think you’ll ever need, then buy the next bigger size.
It's not the HP, it's the Hydraulic pumping ability.
On a tractor… Too much HP? Never. I could have 100hp in a BX and I’d still find a way to stall it with a brush hog or a snowblower.
Yes, it sounds a little ridiculous, I know. But here’s the deal. Going from 50-60HP up to 75HP in the same frame size means that you can just simply do things faster. Yes, a 35 horse machine will run a 10’ brush hog. But it’s going to be SLOW GOING! And as far as snowblowers go, be it front or rear. You will NEVER have enough HP.
But for me… I only use tractors for PTO implements. I’ll buy a skid steer for loader work. Loaders on tractors are kind of a joke when compared to a skid. The amount of money you have to spend to get a tractor with a loader half as capable as a smaller skid steer is really kinda shocking.
Generally speaking though… I believe the 4075 is going to be bought by a lot of municipalities. Simply because it’s going to run a mower much better.
Haha, fair enough! Happy 4th!
#1-QUESTION…
When is BIG BUD coming out with there compact tractor?
I would have to look into it again, yet i see a reason for that size engine. Isn't it 74 hp and below no emissions systems that means this tractor is perfect so that you need the higher compliance of emissions. -_-
I agree with this opinion. The HD axel should be offered on all sizes with the snow cab… Deere has too many 4R models now. The late model 4x20s had good power spacing. The new ones - there’s too much gap. They should’ve discontinued the 4066 - the 75 is the same engine, intercooler, and turbo (based on engine model number) - so they played with fuel, cool. All for 9 engine HP more, only 3 more at the pto. Just drop the 66. Up the 4052 to a 58-60hp range and now you’d have good spacing between three models again and a real choice.
FWIW, I bet a late model 4720 has a similar pto real world capability as the new 4075. Nebraska Tractor test tested a late model 4520 (60 engine hp rated) which put close to 56 pto hp against a rated 50hp… the older Deere engine was underrated.
Now that said, I would like a 3050R (or 52R). Other mfg using the same 3 cylinder Yanmar get 50-52HP from the same engine. The front blower could use more power based on last winter…
Be the perfect tractor for us. We run 16 and 22 ft mower decks and light units don't mess up the grass
I have a 4066r with a front mount 84 inch snowblower and there are many times more power in snowblowing would be nice . That's why they made a 4075r . For city and municipal snowclearing with large HLA snowpusher and a 70-84 + snowblower.
The problem with 5 series compared to the 4075r would be the the agility of the 4 series .tight spaces and such.
More horsepower does not mean you can run a larger snow pusher. That limit comes with a lack of weight and traction.
@@GoodWorksTractors yes on the snow pusher ,weigh is a major factor. But the blower ....that's where you need the hp.
@@robertmoulton2656 all you get is 3HP more at the PTO. Almost a rounding error 😂
@@GoodWorksTractors that sounds typical of JD. It's likey a 4066r with the fuel turned up a bit and $10000 more 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼
I agree 100%. Seems like a sales gimmick to me. HP is only one part of the equation. you need weight and torque to go with it. This tractor has the same frame, tires, and weight as the 4044, 4052, and 4066. The only thing this 75hp tractor can maybe do better is PTO powered equipment. I have a 4052 and I run a 6ft bush hog and a 7ft snow blower and i have never ran out of power.
I have a 1025R for the size and maneuverability it offers. Most of the time it is at its limit though for what I'm doing. Snow blowing, tilling, mowing uphill, lifting loads....all max the tractor out. Yes they make bigger tractors, but they are BIGGER, and I need the smaller physical size. So I would happily pay extra for a 1040R if they made one. Might just be time for a turbo kit 🤔
Have you looked into a 2038R? It's only about 12% bigger than a 1025R, but it is more tractor for the money. 44% more FEL lift capacity, just under double the 3PH lift capacity, 69% more PTO HP so you're not dealing with dinky 4 ft attachments all day, and it'll likely run cooler due to 48% greater hydraulic flow. My neighbor has a 1025R because nothing wider would fit through his garden gate or in his garage. It's an okay lawn mower, but when it comes time for real tractor work we use my Yanmar YT347. Sorry for dumping a bucket of numbers on you.
@@Noah_E I've owned my 1025R for over two years now. It fits in the garage and under the trees mowing. I don't want a bigger tractor. I'm just in the more power is a good thing group. I looked at all the 2 series when shopping. I could have bought that tractor for the same price I paid for mine, plus all my current attachments. I've got what I need.
Sorry new to the tractor game. If anyone can answer this it will be appreciated. Why is the 4066m HD listed as a CAT 1 & 2 three point hitch but the 4075R is listed as a CAT 1 three point hitch. Thanks in advance! 🙏🏼
Only application I can think of is haying or mowing. Using large, PTO driven implements.
I don't think the cooling system can handle it on those hot days. Too easy to overheat a hydro transmission. I didn't see them mention anything about an upgraded cooling system to handle that extra HP. Hydro's run hot!
@@GoodWorksTractors Good point! I use a gear drive so not an issue for me.
My 5 acres of sandy soil make my 25hp tractor feel like a 50hp tractor on clay soil
So what you're saying is......I need to buy another tractor!!! I have 200 acres and a 5075, but after reading all these comments, I'm thinking I need a smaller option for some of the tighter, more precise spots! Excellent, now, just to figure out how I'm going to sell this to the Misses!??!?!
I have a 4720 with the 66hp engine. I have a 15 foot batwing. I could use a few more ponies.
Good Works, I think it should be named the "Tim The Tool Man Taylor Syndrome". MORE POWER - Aaarrrr. LOL. As a 70 year old man, I am on a relatively fixed income. However, I can afford the bigger newer tractor, but I can't see me doing that simply because I can. My 3038E is perfect for the jobs that I do.
Can the 4066 pull a big round baler?
Love my 4052
Maybe It will run larger gpm skid steer mulcher heads and such.
I agree 100% with this video. I used the same logic when I bought my 2 series 2032R. There was only a $1500 dollar difference between the 32 vs. the 38 but with the exception of a 5 foot tiller and a 5 foot box blade the tractor would be primarily used for loader and mowing (plus no expensive turbo to worry about). I haven’t regretted getting the 32R over the 38R.
It’s a matter of balance. If you want higher hp, that’s fine, but whatever you buy needs to be able to use it. If you can’t put that extra horsepower to the ground…. What good it? Goes back to spec your equipment out for what you need. Bigger isn’t always better.
i gotta ask.... whats with the deere (absolutely pun intended) in the background? PS. nothing wrong with "OOH Shiny!" dont feel bad about wanting the 75 if you go with another 4 series!
Im thinking about buying a 4075r but I don't need the upgraded horsepower I want it because of the better front end I also have 4720 and I just recently replaced the front axle and I also have a 5075e the reason I was thinking about buying one is I can get a better front end in a compact tractor because there are things you can do with the 4720 that you can't do with the 5075e
I don't know I have the 2038r most power in its frame size and wish it had more power snowblowing and climbing hills Obviously it does the job but would make owning it more capable and enjoyable with more power.
I just wish they would make a 900 HC...so I can cultivate with it!!
“ build it and they will come” lol
Indeed!
There are always people to whom money isn’t an object that need the “best” there is no matter what. My brother has a full set of snap on tools because somebody told him they were the best (probably because they cost the most) yet he couldn’t turn a wrench to save his life…but they look good in his sterile garage/man cave.
That said, I struggled with my 3 series purchase and settled for the 25HP because I didn’t want to deal with the regen or DEF stuff.