Yeah it's quite a nice advertisement. By the way, he forgot to mention a tiny little detail that the boiler coating on this particular model falls right into your cup...
The motion and natural reflex that you employ when preparing your coffee is hypnotic. Everything is in order, everything gets cleaned and treated with care. Not that I don't treat my equipment well - I do, but the way you do it so smooth and articulate despite it facing the camera? You don't get that fluidity without pulling a lot of shots. Inspirational! Not just the review, but your prep and general presentation. Thank you.
Another strong point is they will last for ever, if looked after, and they are very easy to repair and upgrade if you are so inclined. I have a couple of Gaggia Classics, a 2020 Pro, to which i have done the common upgrades including PID (makes a big difference), and I recently purchased a 2003 model as a project, it needed a bit of TLC but it is now as good as new.
I'm retired always loved good coffee. Bought a Gaggia classic pro and a rancilio rocky grinder. I love this combo bullet proof . And great espresso. Great price.
@@AlternativeBrewing I only wish I knew I needed a single dose grinder. I just didn't realize when I started. Love my Rocky just wish it was single dose.
Please note the drip tray cover was put in wrong in this video. The reviewer here had the round hole in the correct position in upper left at min 3.00 or so. However, when pushing back in, he had the whole in lower right hand when pushing the drip tray back in he had it in lower right which is wrong. That hole is for the discharge tube. Just want to point this out for people studying this machine.
I have replaced the spring with a 9 bar, IMS top filter and I use a VST basket. Temperature can be a real problem, sometimes bitter, sometimes sour coffee if you don't get the temperature right. You get the best results if you start tapping the coffee as soon as it's warmed up. Pre-soaking is also possible: open the steam tap slightly - a quarter of a turn - during the first 3-4 seconds of tapping. Of course, all this takes some practice, and I was able to make my first decent cup of coffee after about two weeks... It's a nice machine, but I hate cleaning it up after use. It takes longer than brewing coffee... (I use a Eureka Zero grinder)
Thanks - Great Video. For a novice (me) you explain the step by step process of using this machine very clearly. Something other reviewers seem to brush over. Well done
I just got the Gaggia Classic Evo. I've been watching other videos where they turn the steam switch on before brewing for 20 seconds . The idea is to get a higher temperature . I can only get arround 80-83 degrees. There's a temperature fluctuation and the idea is to get the brew at the highest temperature. I dial my shots, been consistant. I tried frotting no luck but I just learned from your video to crank the wand slowly , cause I crank it all the way and causes explosion 😁😁. I will try out your method. Thank you. Other than that like you I really enjoy Americanos .
I just got mine this week and I am trying to learn everything. I understand that you have to warm up the machine for 10 minutes with portafilter on, then remove it. Put a cup underneath, then press the brew button for 5-7 seconds. Turn off. After 20-30 seconds the brew light will turn off. Have your grounded coffee ready in the portafilter. Place it in. 15-20 seconds more, the brew light will turn on. Its time to brew. My problem is the sequence for the next cup
Love your content. You’ve persuaded me to get the Varia gen 2 grinder Thought I’d mention, when you mod this machine with a PID, 9 bar spring, dimmer and gauge, this £200 upgrade making it a £7-800, machine rivals any prosumer machine worth up to £3000 for quality of espresso. Easily. Yes you can only make 2/3 cups at a time but that’s the point. If you need to make cafe quantities then get a dual boiler more expensive machine. If not, this creates coffee as good as anything out there.
Considerable to-ing and fro-ing followed, I finally chose this Gaggia Classic Evo due to its exceptional size / price / quality ratio. Of course it lacks a gauge or a PID to be really exceptional, but for less than 500€ ou $ you can't ask for the moon. And it leaves room for a Fiorenzato AllGround or a Eureka Mignon Libra...
and if you want to go down that road - the ability to mod the Gaggia sets it apart. The capabilities of Gagguino modded machines lets the Gaggia fight well above its weight class.
We have a Gaggia Classic 2003 model. Still going strong today with daily use over 20 years. (Regular servicing keeps it if perfect condition). Is there much difference between the 2003 model and the one in this review?
NO not really - the basic requirements for making the espresso are the same - parts have been updated on the machine gradually to incorporate more durable components, however it's not uncommon to hear of a 20yr+ Gaggia in service 🙌 great machines that will last a lifetime if looked after
I'm retired love coffee had Delongi coffee maker combo espresso maker got it as a present years ago. Started fooling around with making espresso. I got hooked . It finally broke started researching need up gaggia classic pro . Put in a 9 bar spring , bottomless portafilter. A few different IMS baskets a time more scale, spring loaded tamper and distributor, and a rocky grinder al, for about 12 hundred dollars. I love this set up worth every penny. Just my opinion.
Thanks so much! I enjoy doing them! 🙌 Had already dialled the coffee in, and - at least for the video - I was eyeballing the volumes in the cup- fwiw - I would use a scale or at the very least a timer for the shot. In making the video - I decided against adding in the suggestion of all these extra requirements - as it comes across as a little gatekeeping for the budget espresso setup - ie - “you’re also gonna need a $600 Grinder, a $300 set of scales, a good tamper, a new filter basket & filtered water” 😵💫
Last week, I purchased the GCP version from 2019 with one year of usage. It's quite new, and I got it for just AUD $400 in Brisbane. I'm aware that I really need a good grinder, but for now, I'm enjoying pre-ground coffee and a pressurized filter. I've never had a machine before. Josh, please find me a good deal on the Varia VS3! 😅 Black Friday is approaching! Thank you for your content. I've been watching your videos, and I think I bought it because of you.
When making a long black you can actually use the water that comes out of the group head for preinfusion. Look up how it's done on the GCP, and you're already doing it, just without the portafilter inplace.
Any idea why on Classic EVO they've changed the power switch which after turning on the machine return to original position ? This means if you remove it from power outlet it will not remember the state and machine is always OFF. That means you can't use smart socket to turn on/off machine remotely or in specific time. Not sure if this is unique to EU version or it's some "new" design of power switch. In any case I don't like it a bit!
Not as late no. Keeping a close eye on the events around this Gaggia Classic boiler issue ofc. Depending on what worldwide market you're in, each will be affected differently.
@@jeromesusi1064 I had read the same and thought about buying from USA. The problem with the American models is they're wired for 110v not Australia's 240v
I was interested in your making of the long black. I do something similar in making an espresso lungo. Do you use steamed water for any reason considering that the lungo uses brew temperature water.
EVO is using better materials for the body, boiler, portafilter and electrics - mostly things you will not notice - and almost identical in performance - though I can assume with the upgrades, they EVO has a longer life expectancy.
Budget would be the first consideration - the Gaggia you'll still need a Grinder to pair with it - whereas the BBE comes with one. .. beyond that - if there's budget for a good grinder as well - Gaggia All day. Another note to make - is the level of hands on "home baristaring" you would like to pursue. You can only go so far with the Breville. The Gaggia is has more potential @@saysoco
You're correct. The main differences is the EVO has upgraded internal components - mainly improved wiring and connections - a stainless steel portafilter (less plastic) and a boler with improved anti-stick and anti-corrosion inner coating. It's nothing you really see or feel from the outside - though significant enough upgrades - I'd expect an extended life on the Pro EVO - and that the price has been increased. Otherwise - performs almost identically to the OG Classic Pro.
@@AlternativeBrewing oh, I just bought one of these in Ukraine. and we do not have an authorized dealer to solve the problem if it occurs. I hope that this will not happen to me. or, at the very least, I’ll wash these flops
I do always wonder about this - on the Gaggia and the Rancilio Silvia. That is the one thing that - for machines like a Breville Barista Express, have over these two machines - at a similar price point - is the PID with temperature stability, albeit using thermoblock tech, and not a true boiler, even just PID on the Espresso brewing is all you need - otherwise it might as well be a HX machine.Though, you'd somehow have to work out how to do this, without increasing end cost of the machine. Temperature surfacing is a whole other thing - realistically, how many new Gaggia owners buy one and are following this?
Hi there, the ideal boiler size, works in conjunction with the size of the boiler element. So the machines needs to be well powered as well to get back up to temperature quickly and maintain temperature. Generally speaking, the gaggia is a 2-3 coffees - and work flow is slow - ... for 4 or more I'd be looking at the Rancilio Silvia - whilst still a single boiler and low cost - it's a little larger in capacity and can therefor handle more drinks back to back.
Some problems about this machine. 1. The steamer drips all the time, espesially while the espresso shot is taken. 2. 100ml boiler is not enought to steam the milk. While steaming the milk the heat light turns off, meaning, the steam turns to cold. The hot water is allready finishes far before the milk steamed.
More reviews of Coffee Beans from Supermarket Not so much from small coffee bean roasters cos they are getting too expensive. Gaggia is getting too expensive for a manual, single boiler and no grinder coffee machine. The new Sunbeam Origins espresso machine(*) is well priced esp. if it is sold discounted, I bought mine for $621. Review it if you dare. I am pleased with mine. * It can be as manual or a semi auto machine.
Christ your point on the pressurised basket was just so disturbingly wrong in so many ways! The Ginder is the most important that determine the quality of your coffee, spend your spare change on the machine! As for portafilters, chuck them and get a bottomless and add a precision basket and this will improve your coffee substantially! This machine is the best machine on the market to modify with kits to get it to perform tot he level of a machine 10 x its price with a the PID added.
@@peterreno4203search for boillergate gaggia... Older 2nd hand ones are getting crazy expensive in Europe making it more desirable to buy new and then... boillergate on such an expensive "tool"...
@alternativebrewing you have lost all credibility in my eyes. You are emptying pretty much the entire boiler then proceed to pull a shot with cold water that hasn't had any chance to get up to temperature. You then pull a second shot after you have dropped the temperature even further with the first one. Amateur hour just wow
hahahaha Amateur hour! there's plenty of time between actions for the boiler to come up to temp. Between running water out of the Boiler in to the cup for the long black - then grinding and prepping the first basket - pulling that shot. Then Grinding and prepping the second shot .. I think it's adequate time. My alter ego says; if you're going to nitpick the workflow and temperature stability this machine, perhaps you're better off with another machine?
This is the best review I've seen on any espresso machine. Well done sir!
Thanks 👍
Yeah it's quite a nice advertisement. By the way, he forgot to mention a tiny little detail that the boiler coating on this particular model falls right into your cup...
To be equally fair - This video was timestamped and posted long before any issues were raised on this.
The motion and natural reflex that you employ when preparing your coffee is hypnotic. Everything is in order, everything gets cleaned and treated with care. Not that I don't treat my equipment well - I do, but the way you do it so smooth and articulate despite it facing the camera? You don't get that fluidity without pulling a lot of shots.
Inspirational! Not just the review, but your prep and general presentation. Thank you.
wow thanks so much! 🫶 it's true - I've probably made in excess of 1,000,000 Espressos in my life ! 😱
Another strong point is they will last for ever, if looked after, and they are very easy to repair and upgrade if you are so inclined. I have a couple of Gaggia Classics, a 2020 Pro, to which i have done the common upgrades including PID (makes a big difference), and I recently purchased a 2003 model as a project, it needed a bit of TLC but it is now as good as new.
I'm retired always loved good coffee. Bought a Gaggia classic pro and a rancilio rocky grinder. I love this combo bullet proof . And great espresso. Great price.
That's so good to hear 🙌 great combo!
@@AlternativeBrewing I only wish I knew I needed a single dose grinder. I just didn't realize when I started. Love my Rocky just wish it was single dose.
I'm retired too. Got the Gaggia Classic Pro now I'm also looking into roasting my own beans . Fun hobby 😊
Please note the drip tray cover was put in wrong in this video. The reviewer here had the round hole in the correct position in upper left at min 3.00 or so. However, when pushing back in, he had the whole in lower right hand when pushing the drip tray back in he had it in lower right which is wrong. That hole is for the discharge tube. Just want to point this out for people studying this machine.
appreciate point this out 🫶 certainly not a great example for those studying this machine 😞
I have replaced the spring with a 9 bar, IMS top filter and I use a VST basket. Temperature can be a real problem, sometimes bitter, sometimes sour coffee if you don't get the temperature right. You get the best results if you start tapping the coffee as soon as it's warmed up. Pre-soaking is also possible: open the steam tap slightly - a quarter of a turn - during the first 3-4 seconds of tapping. Of course, all this takes some practice, and I was able to make my first decent cup of coffee after about two weeks... It's a nice machine, but I hate cleaning it up after use. It takes longer than brewing coffee... (I use a Eureka Zero grinder)
The evo comes with a 8 bar spring
@@unscripted483does the evo come with an 8 bar spring? Since when and for which markets?
Thanks - Great Video. For a novice (me) you explain the step by step process of using this machine very clearly. Something other reviewers seem to brush over. Well done
thanks so much 🙌 If there's anything I can help with, let me know
I just got the Gaggia Classic Evo. I've been watching other videos where they turn the steam switch on before brewing for 20 seconds . The idea is to get a higher temperature . I can only get arround 80-83 degrees. There's a temperature fluctuation and the idea is to get the brew at the highest temperature. I dial my shots, been consistant. I tried frotting no luck but I just learned from your video to crank the wand slowly , cause I crank it all the way and causes explosion 😁😁. I will try out your method. Thank you. Other than that like you I really enjoy Americanos .
Yeah that’s pretty standard for a Gaggia - definitely crank the wand slow and steady! Enjoy 😀
I just got mine this week and I am trying to learn everything. I understand that you have to warm up the machine for 10 minutes with portafilter on, then remove it. Put a cup underneath, then press the brew button for 5-7 seconds. Turn off. After 20-30 seconds the brew light will turn off. Have your grounded coffee ready in the portafilter. Place it in. 15-20 seconds more, the brew light will turn on. Its time to brew. My problem is the sequence for the next cup
Love your content. You’ve persuaded me to get the Varia gen 2 grinder
Thought I’d mention, when you mod this machine with a PID, 9 bar spring, dimmer and gauge, this £200 upgrade making it a £7-800, machine rivals any prosumer machine worth up to £3000 for quality of espresso. Easily.
Yes you can only make 2/3 cups at a time but that’s the point. If you need to make cafe quantities then get a dual boiler more expensive machine. If not, this creates coffee as good as anything out there.
Nice 🔥 !
Wondering video! Love your accent and I've been following the AB website for quite a few years ago! Great work thank you
Thank you so much! 🙏
Thank you for a thorough review!
My pleasure!
I want to get this just to make a Gaggiuino. Looks like a fun project
Considerable to-ing and fro-ing followed, I finally chose this Gaggia Classic Evo due to its exceptional size / price / quality ratio. Of course it lacks a gauge or a PID to be really exceptional, but for less than 500€ ou $ you can't ask for the moon. And it leaves room for a Fiorenzato AllGround or a Eureka Mignon Libra...
Love it 🙌
and if you want to go down that road - the ability to mod the Gaggia sets it apart. The capabilities of Gagguino modded machines lets the Gaggia fight well above its weight class.
We have a Gaggia Classic 2003 model. Still going strong today with daily use over 20 years. (Regular servicing keeps it if perfect condition).
Is there much difference between the 2003 model and the one in this review?
NO not really - the basic requirements for making the espresso are the same - parts have been updated on the machine gradually to incorporate more durable components, however it's not uncommon to hear of a 20yr+ Gaggia in service 🙌 great machines that will last a lifetime if looked after
I'm retired love coffee had Delongi coffee maker combo espresso maker got it as a present years ago. Started fooling around with making espresso. I got hooked . It finally broke started researching need up gaggia classic pro . Put in a 9 bar spring , bottomless portafilter. A few different IMS baskets a time more scale, spring loaded tamper and distributor, and a rocky grinder al, for about 12 hundred dollars. I love this set up worth every penny. Just my opinion.
thanks for sharing 🫶
I really enjoy your real-time espresso making and amazed how you can make them without a scale. Great video!
Thanks so much! I enjoy doing them! 🙌 Had already dialled the coffee in, and - at least for the video - I was eyeballing the volumes in the cup- fwiw - I would use a scale or at the very least a timer for the shot.
In making the video - I decided against adding in the suggestion of all these extra requirements - as it comes across as a little gatekeeping for the budget espresso setup - ie - “you’re also gonna need a $600 Grinder, a $300 set of scales, a good tamper, a new filter basket & filtered water” 😵💫
Last week, I purchased the GCP version from 2019 with one year of usage. It's quite new, and I got it for just AUD $400 in Brisbane. I'm aware that I really need a good grinder, but for now, I'm enjoying pre-ground coffee and a pressurized filter. I've never had a machine before.
Josh, please find me a good deal on the Varia VS3! 😅 Black Friday is approaching!
Thank you for your content. I've been watching your videos, and I think I bought it because of you.
That’s so good 🙌 be on the lookout for sure!
Otherwise the Fellow Opus another great budget grinder.
Not usually an Americano drinker but that looks really good
The best 🔥
When making a long black you can actually use the water that comes out of the group head for preinfusion. Look up how it's done on the GCP, and you're already doing it, just without the portafilter inplace.
thanks so much 👍
Any idea why on Classic EVO they've changed the power switch which after turning on the machine return to original position ? This means if you remove it from power outlet it will not remember the state and machine is always OFF. That means you can't use smart socket to turn on/off machine remotely or in specific time. Not sure if this is unique to EU version or it's some "new" design of power switch. In any case I don't like it a bit!
Thanks for such complete review!
No worries!
Have you experienced any black flakes coming out of the steam wand?
Not as late no. Keeping a close eye on the events around this Gaggia Classic boiler issue ofc. Depending on what worldwide market you're in, each will be affected differently.
@@AlternativeBrewingThat's good to hear. I hope Gaggia resolves this issue soon.
Great video!! Does the machine make a nice crema on espresso, or is it more on the foamy side?
Yes it does! A brilliant crema 👌 legitimate
Does the Australian version have a 9 bar opv spring or 15 bar?
15 bar
@@AlternativeBrewing thank you. I read somewhere that the American units shipped with 9 bars
@@jeromesusi1064 I had read the same and thought about buying from USA. The problem with the American models is they're wired for 110v not Australia's 240v
Nice vid! Was really hoping we would see you wiggle out that full long black cup at 9:10 😂
Yeah it was hairy ! Just a whisker taller and I would have been in some trouble 😅
Hi, which tamper would be perfect for the Gaggia Classic Evo? Thank you
This: alternativebrewing.com.au/products/normcore-spring-loaded-tamper 👌
@@AlternativeBrewingthe 58 or 58.5 thx 🙏
How do you know when to stop the espresso from brewing. E.g when the flick the switch
When you reach your target recipe
FYI, I think the Evo has a stainless steel portafilter, not chrome plated brass. 4:09
Thanks 🙏
I was interested in your making of the long black. I do something similar in making an espresso lungo. Do you use steamed water for any reason considering that the lungo uses brew temperature water.
I'd actually prefer to take it out of a separate kettle IMHO rather than removing it from an Espresso machine boiler
What grind setting do you use on the Varia grinder ?
With the Gaggia - and the beans I had at the time - it was a 5 👌
Very well made video and crisp illustration! Probably could only use some better latte art technique haha. Thank you for the video.
hahah! 🫶 Thank you! Cheers!
What's the difference between Pro and Evo?
EVO is using better materials for the body, boiler, portafilter and electrics - mostly things you will not notice - and almost identical in performance - though I can assume with the upgrades, they EVO has a longer life expectancy.
Does this come with the 9 bar sprig like nth America gets?
No sorry. But it's not too far off that default
How can you make a good coffee/espresso without timing or weight your out poor of coffee....?
given the video is 17mins long, is that how long it takes for this machine to warm up (for use)?
Haha no not at all - more like 5mins for the boiler and 10mins if you want to wait for the Grouphead too
thanks Josh (@@AlternativeBrewing), much appreciated. which machine would you choose between the Gaggia Classic EVO and the Breville Barista Plus?
Budget would be the first consideration - the Gaggia you'll still need a Grinder to pair with it - whereas the BBE comes with one. .. beyond that - if there's budget for a good grinder as well - Gaggia All day. Another note to make - is the level of hands on "home baristaring" you would like to pursue. You can only go so far with the Breville. The Gaggia is has more potential @@saysoco
is this the new one? what's difference? they look alike, thanks
this is new. Upgraded components mostly - works almost identically.
How many grams of coffee for these shots? What basket did you used? It looks perfect
Thanks! This was just the default basket however I used the Varia VS3 Grinder which is a great Espresso grinder
@@AlternativeBrewing and how many grams did you grinded?
Is evo has pro model or it's only one model?
there are two models currently - until the Pro has sold out. The EVO has replaced the PRO.
PID kit form Mr Shade is cheap and easy to install, there are literally hundred of how to videos on line for this.
What varia setting do you recommend for the gaggia?
Really depends on the beans - but I've found the range for espresso to be 3-5 on most machines 👌
What's the difference between evo and pro? And pro is $300 cheaper on your website? 😮
You're correct. The main differences is the EVO has upgraded internal components - mainly improved wiring and connections - a stainless steel portafilter (less plastic) and a boler with improved anti-stick and anti-corrosion inner coating. It's nothing you really see or feel from the outside - though significant enough upgrades - I'd expect an extended life on the Pro EVO - and that the price has been increased. Otherwise - performs almost identically to the OG Classic Pro.
@@AlternativeBrewing strange naming scheme got me ahah, pro should #1
What about "boiler gate" ?
Yes - yet, In Australia at least - we've not experienced very many of these machines. It was limited to a small run 🫶
@@AlternativeBrewing oh, I just bought one of these in Ukraine. and we do not have an authorized dealer to solve the problem if it occurs. I hope that this will not happen to me. or, at the very least, I’ll wash these flops
So this does not have a PID?
No PID correct
I hope they could at least include pressure gauge
And fix the damn temp fluctuation... I have the older non-Evo Classic pro and that would be my ONLY gripe with it !
Also, considering that you have an OPV valve with a specific spring that regulates the pressure, it wouldnt make much sense.
@avoon1797 curiosity, what would having a pressure gauge solve?
I do always wonder about this - on the Gaggia and the Rancilio Silvia. That is the one thing that - for machines like a Breville Barista Express, have over these two machines - at a similar price point - is the PID with temperature stability, albeit using thermoblock tech, and not a true boiler, even just PID on the Espresso brewing is all you need - otherwise it might as well be a HX machine.Though, you'd somehow have to work out how to do this, without increasing end cost of the machine.
Temperature surfacing is a whole other thing - realistically, how many new Gaggia owners buy one and are following this?
Isn’t the boiler capacity only 100ml?
140mls now 👌
What is an ideal boiler size for a total of 4 espresso in the morning (no milk)?
And if we want 4 latte what is an ideal boiler size?
Thank you!
Hi there, the ideal boiler size, works in conjunction with the size of the boiler element. So the machines needs to be well powered as well to get back up to temperature quickly and maintain temperature. Generally speaking, the gaggia is a 2-3 coffees - and work flow is slow - ... for 4 or more I'd be looking at the Rancilio Silvia - whilst still a single boiler and low cost - it's a little larger in capacity and can therefor handle more drinks back to back.
I wonder people get the word "pro" to this machine? Its labeled as new classic evo on their website
At one point there were the old model and this new model Gaggia Classic - and it was using PRO as the differential. Now it is just the Classic EVO 👌
Some problems about this machine.
1. The steamer drips all the time, espesially while the espresso shot is taken.
2. 100ml boiler is not enought to steam the milk. While steaming the milk the heat light turns off, meaning, the steam turns to cold. The hot water is allready finishes far before the milk steamed.
I do find with anything bigger than a 400ml jug of milk it struggles 🫶 partly why I suggest the 2-3 cups max on this machine
Solution add a PID and do not turn off the steam so tightly as you damage the seal
More reviews of Coffee Beans from Supermarket Not so much from small coffee bean roasters cos they are getting too expensive.
Gaggia is getting too expensive for a manual, single boiler and no grinder coffee machine. The new Sunbeam Origins espresso machine(*) is well priced esp. if it is sold discounted, I bought mine for $621. Review it if you dare. I am pleased with mine.
* It can be as manual or a semi auto machine.
Noted! 😂
I totally get your point on local roasters but I also think getting top notch beans is the biggest decider in how good your final product will be.
It's not a competitive product. It costs a lot, it's not an entry level price. It takes 20 minutes to heat up.
Christ your point on the pressurised basket was just so disturbingly wrong in so many ways! The Ginder is the most important that determine the quality of your coffee, spend your spare change on the machine! As for portafilters, chuck them and get a bottomless and add a precision basket and this will improve your coffee substantially! This machine is the best machine on the market to modify with kits to get it to perform tot he level of a machine 10 x its price with a the PID added.
thanks so much 🫶
this model has technical problems
Such as?
@@peterreno4203 Search for "gaggia boiler gate"
@@peterreno4203 such as pieces of boiler coating going straight into your milk. Search for "gaggia boiler gate"
@@peterreno4203search for boillergate gaggia...
Older 2nd hand ones are getting crazy expensive in Europe making it more desirable to buy new and then... boillergate on such an expensive "tool"...
@alternativebrewing you have lost all credibility in my eyes. You are emptying pretty much the entire boiler then proceed to pull a shot with cold water that hasn't had any chance to get up to temperature. You then pull a second shot after you have dropped the temperature even further with the first one. Amateur hour just wow
hahahaha Amateur hour! there's plenty of time between actions for the boiler to come up to temp. Between running water out of the Boiler in to the cup for the long black - then grinding and prepping the first basket - pulling that shot. Then Grinding and prepping the second shot .. I think it's adequate time. My alter ego says; if you're going to nitpick the workflow and temperature stability this machine, perhaps you're better off with another machine?