Absolutely no comparison. The Linn is warm, sparkly, deep, bright, has that certain something that mere words cannot encapsulate. Did i say it was warm too? It's also got that erm, undefineable something, that, erm. Only messing, no such thing as 'warm' hahaha! Yeah, got the Behringer on order.
This is one of Behringer's most compelling projects to date. I was kind of hyped for the Oberheim clone, but by the time it came out, my setup had grown to a point where I don't have room to justify purchasing it. Something like a small Linn clone for mad cheap is extremely hard to resist.
For that same reason I ordered the desktop version and it's due to arrive in February where I live. I couldn't miss out on that sound.... LN drum is arriving at the end of May here!!
Thank you for this comparison. If possible, can you compare the difference in swing? I’m interested in how they are approaching the swing/nudging (to the left or to the right). I want to know how close is the Behringer one to the original. Sonically, it sounds pretty close when you listen thru a phone speaker. It’s amazing.
The Linn drum uses an 3320 VCF on the kick and toms to reduce noise at lower levels, i would say Behringer does as well, seems like the Behringer filter on the toms have slightly more cutoff applied that the Linn, nothing a tweak cant fix to match them up. LMdrum is a winner
@@pachacache5186 Yeah exactly I just wondered, because I suppose by using samples this machine is like any other groovebox/sampler He said "run samples through it"
@@morten1 The advantage compared to other machines such as the standard samplers of the current era is the 8/12 Bit sampling, which will color the sound, with realistic harmonics like we can no longer do today (with modern MPCs for example) and there is the 3320 filter (and the analogue VCA 2164) of the machine which will take you directly into the 80s
It's digital samples, it should sound exactly the same. But to their credit they even implemented the difference in sample start position of the closed hihat that the original has, so as a LinnDrum emulator it should be great. And then you can import your own samples? That's pretty neat. I'm probably not getting it, I don't need another sample based drum machine, but it seems Behringer really came through on this one.
The cost to insure it, the cost to repair it, the time to store it and maintain it. These vintage synths drum machines are not worth it anymore unless you’re rich
@@Grooveboxin I'm not rich. They are stored next to all my other gear, my house contents are insured anyway, and I clean them like other gear. They give me the same noises and enjoyment as new ones. There's no difference except some smell more
Great test!🎉 some may be wondering on LM Drum direct sampling function as opposed to importing sounds in or just playback built in samples. Because some ppl ( myself included) might be interested in LM as a true 12bit sampler rather than just a one shot built in 80s dums playback machine. direct sampling is the way to test Input DAC and playback DAC and aliasing "dirty" 12 bit pitch algorythm to hear how tuning affects sampled sounds . If u have a chance and time to run such a test to really hear the coloration and character on the pitch of a Sampled in sounds - that would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance , Peace
All the vintage owners will always come in with negative and delusional comments. I can't stand the complainers. If you spend thousands just to have delusional bragging rights over this Behringer, there's something wrong with you. Most will laugh all the way to the bank on this one. "But the groove is better..........." ROTFL
So some need to be tuned. I think any other tiny dif could be remedied with the inbuilt EQ, or perhaps bit rate and or sample rate, not sure if it has resampling, or of it's possible to reduce the bit rate, and or sample rate without actually sampling it? Personally I'm more interested in how the sampling sounds. In all possible sample/bit rates, if available. In individual drum sounds, acoustic, electronic, then sequenced. Also on various other sources, loops, horns, pianos, keys, spoken, ect. Anyways, thanks for the helpful vid.
AFAIK that's possible in principle ... but not all sample slots are tuenable on the LMDrum, like it was on the original Linn. It's just snare, toms and congas. To tune other instruments, you have to copy the sample over to one of these slots. So you have just six tuneable instruments in a set, not all of them at the same time. Maybe Behringer should fix that with a firmware update. I think a lot of users will tune thier sidestick and clap sounds to reproduce the sound of Princes LM 1 (who used reprogrammed sample roms AFAIK for that sounds).
@@f.herumusu8341 Why in the HECK would they release this without first fixing this? It is a no-brainer!!!! A Drum machine where you can't retune the kick without a work-around?!?!? Lost my vote...
@ It was that way on the original Linn drum. Behringer may change that with a firmware update, but AFAIK all 12 instument slots were also intentionally not exactly built the same way. The analog filters on them were optimized for the dedicted instrument of that slot, so putting the claps on the bass drum slot will make them sound a little different. Behringer also copied that to be true to the original, even Roger Linn acknowledged that level of details in the recreation ... but called someof his earlier ideas a bad idea from todays point of view.
tbh the most interesting thing about Behringer's clone is that it can do sampling and apparently it does "ruin" the source audio a bit like old samplers did.
With the old gear it's as much about the output circuitry as the samples themselves. Pulling the samples off the EPROMs and playing them through a modern DAC wouldn't give the same sound.
Id be highly interested in a comparison of their groove details. Let’s do a ms accurate or even single-sample accurate comparison of a beat. Btw, are the beats at the end of this clip peak level matched? If, it sounds like the vintage original saturates quite a bit more.
The Blinn sounds as punch as the original LInn Drum, some tuning differences with some samples, which can be adjusted as the user's preferences. I can't wait to have mine! :)
They got the sound right, just baffles me how they got the pitch wrong on some parts, especially on the hihat. Hopefully they do go ahead with the update which allows us to repitch those parts. Now i need to hear the groove compared and what samples sound like run through it.
Aly James VPRom is better because I have the orginal 8 bit raw samples from the EPROMS from the Linndrum. I don’t think Behringer used them but used samples. LMdrum sounds "compressed". Not sure I will buy one. The feel/groove of the LMdrum is not the same as the Linndrum. I use groove templates from the Linndrum in Logic - it feels and sounds amazing with VPRom.
@@audiolounge-pro226 I already got both the Linndrum and the 9000 from you. I just wish the sound quality was better from them, other than that it's ok. I would love the 9000 sounds in high resolution without the artifacts from your ADDA converters.
@@bcj842 absolutely its that analog circuitry that makes the samples sound how they do on both the original and this machine, which is what makes it a big deal imo. They are giving good sounding analog audio circut pathways (same as original) which is why just using a sample in a daw (as many noobs are saying) will never be the same. Also a added filter section (like the other Behringer drum machines) giving you the ability to create sounds the original was not able to. The analog circuit pathway, each channel having its own adjustable bitrate digital to analog converter 🤯. To give an idea, the mpc has probably one dac in it on the master out, and its not a punchier sounding lower bitrate. Behringer paid attention on this and delivered on something (both a linndrum, and a quality sampler with analog pathways) a person like me has wanted for a while now! Super dope
There's a bit more abut that: The Samples are 12 bit and each instrument has it's own digital to analog converter with tuneable sample rate. The hihat is modelled from a long sample with randomized starting point to make it less robotic. So just playing samples from a DAW is not exactly replicating the sound of a original Linn. Some people also say that the timing of the Linn is essential due to the snare sample starting with a short silence, giving it a "laid back" feel. Althoug Roger Linn has expressed mixed feelings in general about a recreation of his drum machine he showed some repect for the level of details of the recreation.
@@f.herumusu8341if the original had a seperate convertor for each voice there would be No way it would cost 4995 USD in 1982 but like a fairlight wich had 8 seperate A/d convertors , convertors we're extremely expensive then , that is why multiplexers we're used to lower cost like linns , emulator 1/2 and everything that followed
For the most part they are PRETTY close. There are lots of minor differences that I don't think will matter in a mix... But the LinnDrum Toms have a bit more bite to them. They snap more. I'd have liked to have heard them in the sequence (those two sequences weren't the same). The LmToms sound like they have slightly less attack. - Kinda a bummer. Linn Drum Toms are a huge part of the 80's sound.
Some tuning differences that you would expect between units , but its samples through a 12bit dac , I wasn’t expecting much difference. I wonder how different they feel in person though
There is no difference between both, the old linn drum can be put in the museum. behringer makes the impossible possible again with the beauty from the 80s,, 🎹🎼
Good on snares and kicks and rim shot, (much closer than expected, excellent) not so close on closed high hats and toms. Hearing the overall combination of drum samples on the original in this demo creates a more pleasing frequency balance to my ears if we are talking out of the box and which could be the result of the closed high hats. The clone will be close enough for most, along with being able to make some adjustments, and or replacing some of the samples.
Where and how did you get an LMdrum so quickly, I been waiting patiently for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....preorder at Sweetwater the very day it was available to preorder, they haven't called me......patiently waiting, at least trying to for about a grueling 5 years now. This is the only drum machine I've honestly ever wanted...., SERIOUSLY EVER. I check everywhere daily, and see preorder waiting lists, then see a video like this with a guy lucky enough to have both with original and the upgraded Behringer LM. PLEASE, somebody inform me where I sign up to be special enough to have one of my own LM drums now? What do I need to do to finally have one? I've had the money saved up for years, ready to go... and then I see this. Can almost guarantee with my luck it'll sell out when I'm sleeping from 12hr working thirds. Seeing comparisons already is just verifying its already begun. What a bunch of bs, I'm seriously tired of being lied to by all these music companies claiming, "IN STOCK", then click to find pre-order or backordered. False claims to suck people into internet stores for traffic and sales, should definitely be illegal!!!!! it's cool to see the comparison, dont get me wrong, but it does piss me off!!! Its not fair with how all this always seems to go.While people glaze over to the bs of the internet daily, knowing the wrongdoing and lies calling it the norm, not me...., I will point it out, and you too dictabeat, aldipower, how do you have one already, and where exactly do I get mine now? please let me know.
I ordered mine at Thomann on the 27th of December. Status still is "Out of stock. Availble in several months". Sadly it seems that the first small batch is already gone and we have to wait for the next to be delivered.
@@f.herumusu8341 thank you for your reply, the long wait of over 4 years has been a buffer bar from hell from behringer. I honestly feel like I've been sitting at a red light with zero traffic for an eternity now. I'm huge fan of the linn drums, just tired of being put on pause is all.
@@13strikeasnare I talked in another thread to someone who also got his LmDrum delivered. He told me that he ordered it within minutes after it appeared on the Thomann page. So it seems really to be the case that the first very small batch is already sold out. Sweetwater says "Estimated June 2025" as a delivery date. But the situation was the same with the Behringer Solina String machine, and in that case the second batch was delivered much earlier, so there is still hope that we at least do not have to wait the full six months ... unless we do not run into another chip crisis.
@@13strikeasnare Uh oh ... that does not sound good: Thomann changed the status to "On request: For this product the supply situation is currently uncertain or our supplier has not yet provided us with an expected delivery date for this product. Kindly contact us for further information on the availability." Seems like even Behringer can't tell when the next batch will be ready to be shipped ... :/
I keep seeing snobs shit on the LM Drum. I know for a FACT that they wouldn't have "noticed" a single difference had the Behringer name not come up. Especially once you add whatever effects or mixing to the final track
It's actually not a problem, just load the conga into the slot or another one that you can pitch. And Behringer will fix it in the first update so that you can pitch all instruments
Thanks for this demo ! Possible to match the tuning for some sounds if you redo this kind of comparison. So far I still think the original has a better sound
I've been wanting to see a comparison between these two! Seems like most of the difference is just different default tuning. Some samples sounded identical. What is your take on it? I thought the LM Drum sounded great.
How does it sound against VPRom or Samples from Mars? I like the Behringer LM Drum as a device but I am wondered why the tune is so off and if other solutions as mentioned above sound closer to the original? It just has something the LM Drum misses.
My favorite thing about the Linndrum is the snare sound. I have plenty of capable drum machines and samplers that can give me this sound, but having a clone of the original seems way cooler. Let’s face it, synth guys we aren’t known for our fiscal responsibility. 😅
@@bokajllensch661 - it does sound slightly absurd, light is an electromagnetic wave so not really anything to to with sound waves which propagate due to changes in air pressure.
can I ask how you got one already? I filled out an application years ago to make to test it out against my original LINN Drum and feature it on my TH-cam channel (114k subscribers). Never heard back. I'd really like to try it out.
Doesn't the Behringer have any pitch control?? Since they are using the original samples anyway, why would they play so many of them a half step lower than the original?
It does have physical pitch control knobs for the same pads/sounds as on the original. So not on all sounds at the moment. But I've heard Behringer will allow for tuning on all pads in the menu with a later software update.
@@MacXpert74 yes , i really hope Behringer unlockes tuning on all pads , please Behringer, please. BTW, where did you hear about Behringer promising that ,may i ask?
@@jazzroom Yeah I hope so too. That Behringer is working on adding the tuning for all pads in a software update was claimed by two different people in the comments of another video. They claimed Behringer had said that to people asking them for it on social media. So I don’t have a solid source for this at the moment, but I think it could be true though.
@@RogerBrenon I am not Einsten ... if you want to address me you will call me Testla ...Nicola Tesla ... and yes , the behringer does not sound like the real Lm1 - its is a total fail , why ? cause it uses crappy samples , may as well be off some website on the internet with crappy Lm1 samples , NOTHING , nothing beats the real sound of an Eprom ... Eproms are the only way forward for the Lm1 sound ...
@@justinb9387 Oh, so you're one of those that has to be adressed with an identifier? Figures. You know there are 4th-8th graders teaching about EPROMS on youtube right now. You could start there. And by the way The LM1 used "SAMPLES". You don't seem to understand how electronics work.
I owned an LM1 which I bought for nothing in the 90s. I found the problem was that the drums straight from the outputs are so thuddy and whack so hard that it was really hard to tame them and make them usable. Even if you sampled them you’d then have to do a lot of work on them. To be honest got better results sampling Prince records rather than the thing itself.
@AudioloungeMichaelBannwart , thank you for the test! could you please make a Sampling Test : your own sounds from Drums ( breaks or one shots , vinyl or not ) and sample some Music couple of seconds cuts and Tuning them up and down slowly to the max to hear well the sound and the tuning algorithm 12bit artifacts ? thanks in advance , Peace
Why did you choose to watch it? If they’re identical, that validates a potential buyer’s decision. A video that confirms someone’s hopes or expectations is still a valuable thing. Especially since the Behringer probably uses cheaper components to deliver the samples. Either, way, someone somewhere will say the Linn is warmer and has more mojo and they can hear the ‘digital sizzle’ in the Behringer high end….
I download the video and put audio to DAW. Normalize to -23 LUFS for fair blind test. And Behringer is awfull. Lackin' clarity on highs and sound like a bitcrusher VST. Transients are smeared. It's obvious on snare sound. OG have no problems.
@@MacXpert74 The original Linndrum has A-F options for adding different degrees of swing, same as the C-Lab Creator sequencing software that was popular in the 80s/early 90s (software I still use on an ancient Atari).
This is a no brainer. I'm buying it.
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The original one?
Lord willing same!!! 😊
Indeed !
The linn drum was Always a dream of mine, now the dream comes true, thank you Ulli
Absolutely no comparison. The Linn is warm, sparkly, deep, bright, has that certain something that mere words cannot encapsulate. Did i say it was warm too? It's also got that erm, undefineable something, that, erm.
Only messing, no such thing as 'warm' hahaha! Yeah, got the Behringer on order.
Almost had me. I hate those kinda comments. Lol
😂
Lol
Ha Ha, I wonder how many people start reading this and start ranting. I nearly did lol.
@AndyFirebladeMuza sorry, I couldn't help myself! Hahaha!
Your video was the best answer.
Got mine on order🎉
They nailed it! 🔨 Good job 👏🏾 @Behringer!
sounds amazing if this is your sound, I wish they bring out a more modern looking unti with higher sample rates and longer sampling times personally
This is one of Behringer's most compelling projects to date. I was kind of hyped for the Oberheim clone, but by the time it came out, my setup had grown to a point where I don't have room to justify purchasing it. Something like a small Linn clone for mad cheap is extremely hard to resist.
For that same reason I ordered the desktop version and it's due to arrive in February where I live. I couldn't miss out on that sound.... LN drum is arriving at the end of May here!!
There's always room in the corner to pile up synths.
@@theedxqboihaha yep I got mine in the cardboard boxes they came in, sitting in that lonely pile 😂😫🔫
the groove of the original is still unique. Le Beringher groove as a russian in a tank
Thanks for doing this ! Keen to see a second one if that’s on the cards with some more patterns to get a feel for them against each other. 😊
Thank you for this comparison. If possible, can you compare the difference in swing? I’m interested in how they are approaching the swing/nudging (to the left or to the right). I want to know how close is the Behringer one to the original. Sonically, it sounds pretty close when you listen thru a phone speaker. It’s amazing.
I got mine yesterday. It is FUN. Glad to hear it sounds true to the original
Who did you order through, Bro??😊
just got mine! so fun
@bulletheadbeatz2296 The Thomann website
The Linn drum uses an 3320 VCF on the kick and toms to reduce noise at lower levels, i would say Behringer does as well, seems like the Behringer filter on the toms have slightly more cutoff applied that the Linn, nothing a tweak cant fix to match them up. LMdrum is a winner
the groove of the original is still unique. Le Beringher groove as a russian in a tank
@@gonreebgonreeb LinnDrum uses 48ppq sequencer clock, we sync them up to an identical pattern to measure and see
@@gonreebgonreeb that's deluded but ok...
Ok I’m buying one!!!!! I got there 808 and she is a beast!!!!
Used to have the original and that is pretty bang on - the lm2 was hours of fun
Can't wait to run samples through this
It will just be digital sample playback won't it?
@@morten1No. There's more to it than that.
@@morten1 The very principle of sampling is to be digital, any other questions?
@@pachacache5186 Yeah exactly
I just wondered, because I suppose by using samples this machine is like any other groovebox/sampler
He said "run samples through it"
@@morten1 The advantage compared to other machines such as the standard samplers of the current era is the 8/12 Bit sampling, which will color the sound, with realistic harmonics like we can no longer do today (with modern MPCs for example) and there is the 3320 filter (and the analogue VCA 2164) of the machine which will take you directly into the 80s
thats alot closer then i was expecting tbh , overall the lm drum sounds good in all demos so far .
It's digital samples, it should sound exactly the same. But to their credit they even implemented the difference in sample start position of the closed hihat that the original has, so as a LinnDrum emulator it should be great. And then you can import your own samples? That's pretty neat. I'm probably not getting it, I don't need another sample based drum machine, but it seems Behringer really came through on this one.
$8000-10000 vs $399. Hmmmm ;)
The purists won’t see it like that unfortunately.
@@brandon1351Samples From Mars even cheaper 💪
@@brandon1351 why is that unfortunately?
The cost to insure it, the cost to repair it, the time to store it and maintain it. These vintage synths drum machines are not worth it anymore unless you’re rich
@@Grooveboxin I'm not rich. They are stored next to all my other gear, my house contents are insured anyway, and I clean them like other gear.
They give me the same noises and enjoyment as new ones. There's no difference except some smell more
Nice one Michael!
Great test!🎉 some may be wondering on LM Drum direct sampling function as opposed to importing sounds in or just playback built in samples. Because some ppl ( myself included) might be interested in LM as a true 12bit sampler rather than just a one shot built in 80s dums playback machine. direct sampling is the way to test Input DAC and playback DAC and aliasing "dirty" 12 bit pitch algorythm to hear how tuning affects sampled sounds . If u have a chance and time to run such a test to really hear the coloration and character on the pitch of a Sampled in sounds - that would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance , Peace
All the vintage owners will always come in with negative and delusional comments. I can't stand the complainers. If you spend thousands just to have delusional bragging rights over this Behringer, there's something wrong with you. Most will laugh all the way to the bank on this one. "But the groove is better..........." ROTFL
Impressive! Glad I got my LM Drum 🎉
Price! Absolutely! Sampler? LN 1 hands down!
So some need to be tuned. I think any other tiny dif could be remedied with the inbuilt EQ, or perhaps bit rate and or sample rate, not sure if it has resampling, or of it's possible to reduce the bit rate, and or sample rate without actually sampling it?
Personally I'm more interested in how the sampling sounds. In all possible sample/bit rates, if available. In individual drum sounds, acoustic, electronic, then sequenced. Also on various other sources, loops, horns, pianos, keys, spoken, ect.
Anyways, thanks for the helpful vid.
Behringer nailed it
nailed the infringement
its just playing back samples, you could 'nail' it by putting these samples in any sampler
@@shallowfakes593 i prefer the sound of vintage 1s and 0s :)
@@shallowfakes593 Wrong.
no they did not , its cheap samples next to Eproms
Italo Disco Baby!
Although there’s gonna be haters out there, gimme the Behringer!
The couple of sounds that were slightly different could be aligned with tuning on the LMdrum, but I actually preferred the new sounds.
AFAIK that's possible in principle ... but not all sample slots are tuenable on the LMDrum, like it was on the original Linn. It's just snare, toms and congas. To tune other instruments, you have to copy the sample over to one of these slots. So you have just six tuneable instruments in a set, not all of them at the same time. Maybe Behringer should fix that with a firmware update. I think a lot of users will tune thier sidestick and clap sounds to reproduce the sound of Princes LM 1 (who used reprogrammed sample roms AFAIK for that sounds).
@@f.herumusu8341 i second that ! Behringer should UNLOCK tuning on all slots in firmware
@@f.herumusu8341 Why in the HECK would they release this without first fixing this? It is a no-brainer!!!! A Drum machine where you can't retune the kick without a work-around?!?!? Lost my vote...
@ It was that way on the original Linn drum. Behringer may change that with a firmware update, but AFAIK all 12 instument slots were also intentionally not exactly built the same way. The analog filters on them were optimized for the dedicted instrument of that slot, so putting the claps on the bass drum slot will make them sound a little different. Behringer also copied that to be true to the original, even Roger Linn acknowledged that level of details in the recreation ... but called someof his earlier ideas a bad idea from todays point of view.
They already released a software update so all sounds are tunable.
Totally nailed it Behringer did an amazing job, no brainer I'll buy it soon. THANX FOR THE CLIP BROOOO
the groove of the original is still unique. Le Beringher groove as a russian in a tank
@@gonreebgonreeb You've been "GONGED" LOL
@@RogerBrenon Why the drums sequences are so short and so fast in tempo ? Just to mask the gap in groove between the 2. ?
So impressive how they modeled the samples to sound so close to the........samples 🤔
tbh the most interesting thing about Behringer's clone is that it can do sampling and apparently it does "ruin" the source audio a bit like old samplers did.
@@wrmusic8736- ‘ruin’ is a bit harsh! 12 bit drums sound great, it’s why the old Akai samplers don’t come cheap any more.
With the old gear it's as much about the output circuitry as the samples themselves. Pulling the samples off the EPROMs and playing them through a modern DAC wouldn't give the same sound.
Id be highly interested in a comparison of their groove details. Let’s do a ms accurate or even single-sample accurate comparison of a beat. Btw, are the beats at the end of this clip peak level matched? If, it sounds like the vintage original saturates quite a bit more.
@@leftmono1016The reason he used quotation marks with the word was to show that he wasn't using the term in its harsh sense.
Give the new generation of musicians some time, they will make good use of the affordable LMs. 😎
The Blinn sounds as punch as the original LInn Drum, some tuning differences with some samples, which can be adjusted as the user's preferences. I can't wait to have mine! :)
Hell yea I've also named it the bLinn Drum.
The tuning is off but that can easly be adjusted
They got the sound right, just baffles me how they got the pitch wrong on some parts, especially on the hihat.
Hopefully they do go ahead with the update which allows us to repitch those parts.
Now i need to hear the groove compared and what samples sound like run through it.
Some slight variation can be heard though between certain sound functions … not identical in some areas would you agree
Aly James VPRom is better because I have the orginal 8 bit raw samples from the EPROMS from the Linndrum. I don’t think Behringer used them but used samples. LMdrum sounds "compressed". Not sure I will buy one. The feel/groove of the LMdrum is not the same as the Linndrum. I use groove templates from the Linndrum in Logic - it feels and sounds amazing with VPRom.
check out ours too:) www.audiolounge-pro.com/plug-ins-2/al-d2/
@@audiolounge-pro226 I already got both the Linndrum and the 9000 from you. I just wish the sound quality was better from them, other than that it's ok. I would love the 9000 sounds in high resolution without the artifacts from your ADDA converters.
Why your drums sequences are so short and so fast in tempo ? Just to mask the gap in groove between the 2. ?
I mean... They're digital sample sounds. It SHOULD sound exactly the same lol Behringer are killing it!
There's that, and then of course there's all of the circuitry that those sample sounds are routed through.
@@bcj842 absolutely its that analog circuitry that makes the samples sound how they do on both the original and this machine, which is what makes it a big deal imo. They are giving good sounding analog audio circut pathways (same as original) which is why just using a sample in a daw (as many noobs are saying) will never be the same. Also a added filter section (like the other Behringer drum machines) giving you the ability to create sounds the original was not able to. The analog circuit pathway, each channel having its own adjustable bitrate digital to analog converter 🤯. To give an idea, the mpc has probably one dac in it on the master out, and its not a punchier sounding lower bitrate. Behringer paid attention on this and delivered on something (both a linndrum, and a quality sampler with analog pathways) a person like me has wanted for a while now! Super dope
There's a bit more abut that: The Samples are 12 bit and each instrument has it's own digital to analog converter with tuneable sample rate. The hihat is modelled from a long sample with randomized starting point to make it less robotic. So just playing samples from a DAW is not exactly replicating the sound of a original Linn. Some people also say that the timing of the Linn is essential due to the snare sample starting with a short silence, giving it a "laid back" feel. Althoug Roger Linn has expressed mixed feelings in general about a recreation of his drum machine he showed some repect for the level of details of the recreation.
@@f.herumusu8341if the original had a seperate convertor for each voice there would be No way it would cost 4995 USD in 1982 but like a fairlight wich had 8 seperate A/d convertors , convertors we're extremely expensive then , that is why multiplexers we're used to lower cost like linns , emulator 1/2 and everything that followed
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
When is this thing officially released? I just bought one on Sweet Water and it says they’re not getting them until June now.?
Hello
I ordered it from Thomann Germany in December
It was delivered with the first patch Grettings Mike
For the most part they are PRETTY close. There are lots of minor differences that I don't think will matter in a mix... But the LinnDrum Toms have a bit more bite to them. They snap more. I'd have liked to have heard them in the sequence (those two sequences weren't the same). The LmToms sound like they have slightly less attack. - Kinda a bummer. Linn Drum Toms are a huge part of the 80's sound.
Some tuning differences that you would expect between units , but its samples through a 12bit dac , I wasn’t expecting much difference. I wonder how different they feel in person though
I definitely would NOT expect any difference in pitch. It should be spot on.
There is no difference between both, the old linn drum can be put in the museum. behringer makes the impossible possible again with the beauty from the 80s,, 🎹🎼
Good on snares and kicks and rim shot, (much closer than expected, excellent) not so close on closed high hats and toms. Hearing the overall combination of drum samples on the original in this demo creates a more pleasing frequency balance to my ears if we are talking out of the box and which could be the result of the closed high hats. The clone will be close enough for most, along with being able to make some adjustments, and or replacing some of the samples.
the groove of the original is still unique. Le Beringher groove as a russian in a tank
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
@@gonreebgonreeb the way the samples are edited in the original makes for a unique rhythm
Where and how did you get an LMdrum so quickly, I been waiting patiently for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....preorder at Sweetwater the very day it was available to preorder, they haven't called me......patiently waiting, at least trying to for about a grueling 5 years now. This is the only drum machine I've honestly ever wanted...., SERIOUSLY EVER. I check everywhere daily, and see preorder waiting lists, then see a video like this with a guy lucky enough to have both with original and the upgraded Behringer LM. PLEASE, somebody inform me where I sign up to be special enough to have one of my own LM drums now? What do I need to do to finally have one? I've had the money saved up for years, ready to go... and then I see this. Can almost guarantee with my luck it'll sell out when I'm sleeping from 12hr working thirds. Seeing comparisons already is just verifying its already begun. What a bunch of bs, I'm seriously tired of being lied to by all these music companies claiming, "IN STOCK", then click to find pre-order or backordered. False claims to suck people into internet stores for traffic and sales, should definitely be illegal!!!!! it's cool to see the comparison, dont get me wrong, but it does piss me off!!! Its not fair with how all this always seems to go.While people glaze over to the bs of the internet daily, knowing the wrongdoing and lies calling it the norm, not me...., I will point it out, and you too dictabeat, aldipower, how do you have one already, and where exactly do I get mine now? please let me know.
I ordered mine at Thomann on the 27th of December. Status still is "Out of stock. Availble in several months". Sadly it seems that the first small batch is already gone and we have to wait for the next to be delivered.
@@f.herumusu8341 thank you for your reply, the long wait of over 4 years has been a buffer bar from hell from behringer. I honestly feel like I've been sitting at a red light with zero traffic for an eternity now. I'm huge fan of the linn drums, just tired of being put on pause is all.
@@13strikeasnare I talked in another thread to someone who also got his LmDrum delivered. He told me that he ordered it within minutes after it appeared on the Thomann page. So it seems really to be the case that the first very small batch is already sold out. Sweetwater says "Estimated June 2025" as a delivery date. But the situation was the same with the Behringer Solina String machine, and in that case the second batch was delivered much earlier, so there is still hope that we at least do not have to wait the full six months ... unless we do not run into another chip crisis.
@@f.herumusu8341 thank you
@@13strikeasnare Uh oh ... that does not sound good: Thomann changed the status to "On request: For this product the supply situation is currently uncertain or our supplier has not yet provided us with an expected delivery date for this product. Kindly contact us for further information on the availability."
Seems like even Behringer can't tell when the next batch will be ready to be shipped ... :/
Wow impressive.. thanks for sharing this demo!
I keep seeing snobs shit on the LM Drum. I know for a FACT that they wouldn't have "noticed" a single difference had the Behringer name not come up. Especially once you add whatever effects or mixing to the final track
The Linndrum sequencer is more groovy. Toms are better in the Linndrum too. It' s a shame we can't pitch Kick as in LM1
It's actually not a problem, just load the conga into the slot or another one that you can pitch. And Behringer will fix it in the first update so that you can pitch all instruments
according to Roger Linn and my own experience measuring it when I owned one, there is no groove in his drum machines.
@@guntheriscariot3064 give the source , a sequencer clocked with a VCO has a certain groove
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
@@audiolounge-pro226 Why your drums sequences are so short and so fast in tempo ? Just to mask the gap in groove between the 2. ?
If the samples can be pitched up and down then this might be there best clone yet.
Absolutely nailed it and then some, great job Behringer 👍
Thanks for this demo ! Possible to match the tuning for some sounds if you redo this kind of comparison. So far I still think the original has a better sound
Yeahh most definitely nailed it to T !!! the original is a bit more, beefy but you can barely tell the difference
I've been wanting to see a comparison between these two! Seems like most of the difference is just different default tuning. Some samples sounded identical. What is your take on it? I thought the LM Drum sounded great.
Damn close. What's with the pitch difference on some patches, and can you pitch shift on the Behringer?
How does it sound against VPRom or Samples from Mars? I like the Behringer LM Drum as a device but I am wondered why the tune is so off and if other solutions as mentioned above sound closer to the original? It just has something the LM Drum misses.
Some of the sounds on the Behringer are half step different in pitch. Why is this, I wonder?
Knob tuning
Just the tuning, not a big deal. The LM Drum lets you internally tune all the sounds that don't have dedicate tuning knobs.
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
My favorite thing about the Linndrum is the snare sound. I have plenty of capable drum machines and samplers that can give me this sound, but having a clone of the original seems way cooler. Let’s face it, synth guys we aren’t known for our fiscal responsibility. 😅
This isn't a clone.
It sounds awsome. Although I have the impression that most original samples have a bit more sparkle to them.
That’s because you listened with your eyes 😉
@@leftmono1016 But my eyes, ears and spectrometer all agree...
@ - spectrometer? You’ve actually measure the light emitted by both devices? So like listening with your eyes but on steroids. Impressive 👍
@@leftmono1016 There are more spectrums than magnetic waves. For example sound waves. I know it sounds absurd when talking abaout musical instruments.
@@bokajllensch661 - it does sound slightly absurd, light is an electromagnetic wave so not really anything to to with sound waves which propagate due to changes in air pressure.
can I ask how you got one already? I filled out an application years ago to make to test it out against my original LINN Drum and feature it on my TH-cam channel (114k subscribers). Never heard back. I'd really like to try it out.
Hello
I ordered it from Thomann Germany in December
It was delivered with the first patch Grettings Mike
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
Identical and way better atta boy Uli. Behringer rules
Good video. Thank you for letting us hear them side by side
Doesn't the Behringer have any pitch control?? Since they are using the original samples anyway, why would they play so many of them a half step lower than the original?
It does have physical pitch control knobs for the same pads/sounds as on the original. So not on all sounds at the moment. But I've heard Behringer will allow for tuning on all pads in the menu with a later software update.
@@MacXpert74 yes , i really hope Behringer unlockes tuning on all pads , please Behringer, please. BTW, where did you hear about Behringer promising that ,may i ask?
@@jazzroom Yeah I hope so too. That Behringer is working on adding the tuning for all pads in a software update was claimed by two different people in the comments of another video. They claimed Behringer had said that to people asking them for it on social media. So I don’t have a solid source for this at the moment, but I think it could be true though.
@@MacXpert74 lets hope they adresse that limitation
What's the sample memory in this thing?
Great marketing!
0:24 am i crazy or does the loud kick on the behringer sound terrible
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
the behringer linn sounds crap - does it even use eproms cause it sounds like samples ... it sounds like a vst - the linn sounds bassier
LOL Seriously dude. EPROMS are digital storage. That's all. Has nothing to do with sound. USB sticks make eproms look stupid.
@@RogerBrenon well how come the original LM1 sounds chunky ... and the behringer one sounds like a cheap vst ? its because it needs Eproms ...
@ It doesn't sound like a vst Einstein. The sound is about the DACS, all separate for each sound of which the Behringer has. Learn what an EPROM is.
@@RogerBrenon I am not Einsten ... if you want to address me you will call me Testla ...Nicola Tesla ... and yes , the behringer does not sound like the real Lm1 - its is a total fail , why ? cause it uses crappy samples , may as well be off some website on the internet with crappy Lm1 samples , NOTHING , nothing beats the real sound of an Eprom ... Eproms are the only way forward for the Lm1 sound ...
@@justinb9387 Oh, so you're one of those that has to be adressed with an identifier? Figures. You know there are 4th-8th graders teaching about EPROMS on youtube right now. You could start there. And by the way The LM1 used "SAMPLES". You don't seem to understand how electronics work.
Cool. Thanks for that! Sound pretty close, doesn't it? I think this is a little bit more useful then I did yesterday with the unboxing.
Lol, yes....
The crash sounds alittle different
Is it possible to connect a midi keyboard controller to the LM Drum and play samples chromatically?
AFAIK: no. But in that case would be better off with a set of samples and the build in sampler of your perefered DAW anyway.
second that question
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
I owned an LM1 which I bought for nothing in the 90s. I found the problem was that the drums straight from the outputs are so thuddy and whack so hard that it was really hard to tame them and make them usable. Even if you sampled them you’d then have to do a lot of work on them. To be honest got better results sampling Prince records rather than the thing itself.
never faced this problem on my Linn LM1
Wow samples that sound like other samples
I'm disappointed Behringer didn't clone the double firing high hat button.
I don’t need a dedicated drum machine but it’s pretty cool.
That’s why I prefer an LM-1. Just more unique. Too many LinnDrum clones out there.
nothing beats the original
The original has more punch and the timing is perfect.
@@martijn_thatsme lol and yet you couldn't pick out one from the other in a blind test.
@@trollkilla7681single shots are very close indeed. It’s obvious in longer patterns.
"nothing beats the original" ? Sorry for your loss. LOL
@ I never failed in a blind test with Berhinger and an original instrument , how can you expect great sound with SMD components .
Tuning across everything is coming in an update.
Comparison? Who could tell in a blind test...nobody.
@AudioloungeMichaelBannwart , thank you for the test! could you please make a Sampling Test : your own sounds from Drums ( breaks or one shots , vinyl or not ) and sample some Music couple of seconds cuts and Tuning them up and down slowly to the max to hear well the sound and the tuning algorithm 12bit artifacts ? thanks in advance , Peace
I am interested in uploading samples but I heard that there is only 17MB inside... is it true?
Thank you for the video, nice to see someone do a proper comparison. Not the same idiots just trying to get likes and subscribes.
How diffrent ?
Take my money plz !!
The LinnDrum uses samples. The LM Drum directly copied those samples. Of course it's going to be nearly identical. What is the point of this video?
Exactly. Idiots think it wouldnt.
Same samples of course it sounds the same. The difference is in the build quality
Why did you choose to watch it?
If they’re identical, that validates a potential buyer’s decision. A video that confirms someone’s hopes or expectations is still a valuable thing. Especially since the Behringer probably uses cheaper components to deliver the samples. Either, way, someone somewhere will say the Linn is warmer and has more mojo and they can hear the ‘digital sizzle’ in the Behringer high end….
It's about the output circuitry, not just the samples. The circuitry is part of the sound unlike modern DACs.
@@CentaurusRelax314i didnt i just commented to put you in the know
I wonder if it's like their RD-9 where individual outputs perform differently than mono out
i expect so. due to the extra effects bus it has over the originals.
I believe the original sounded different too.
Where do you buy it ??! No shop sell it ...!
Sweetwater.
@@JohnZornAscended If you want to wait till after JUNE
@@RogerBrenon No way.
@ That's what I was told by Sweetwater.
@ That's crazy.
I download the video and put audio to DAW. Normalize to -23 LUFS for fair blind test. And Behringer is awfull. Lackin' clarity on highs and sound like a bitcrusher VST. Transients are smeared. It's obvious on snare sound. OG have no problems.
What’s a semitone, I wonder?
Well its a nice try but hats and BD not quite there on the new one, even considering mis-matched tuning.
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
The only difference is £5 to £6 thousand
Pretty close. Some minor tuning differences. The toms did sound a bit 'snappier' on the real Linn, but otherwise not much of a difference.
the groove of the original is still unique. Le Beringher groove as a russian in a tank
@@gonreebgonreeb Well it's interesting. According to mr. Linn himself there's nothing particularly unique about the 'groove' of the Linn drum. 🤷♂
@@MacXpert74 The original Linndrum has A-F options for adding different degrees of swing, same as the C-Lab Creator sequencing software that was popular in the 80s/early 90s (software I still use on an ancient Atari).
@@RJJNY Yeah I know, but these 'swing' options are also on several other drum machines including the Behringer as well!
Just waiting for mine to be delivered. Can't wait, sounds very true to the original.
It sounds different
Except for some of the tunings...identical.
Sounds like a piece by Ligeti
Great!!! Thank you!
somehow the toms are missing the attack from the original, weird.
Sounds to me like some of the top end frequency is filtered out on the Behringer, might sound different transferred to another pad/routing.
There's a nice, lo-fi quality to the original, but the Behringer sounds a bit harsh and digital.
It's all analogue
@@MrTstofer Wrong, samples are always digital
It’s all in your head, corksniffer.
OG still sounds better!
Wow almost identical !- small pitch differences but identical!
Linndrum sounds great , the behringer sounds like crap samples , no punch , feeble.
The sounds are the same but the groove is not. Can't beat that Roger Linn groove!
Behringer should have added some analog processors on the output to create harmonics. It sounds very flat and unnatural. Such a pity.
the pitch of the original is slighty higher for some sounds but otherwise absolutely spot on! thx for this comparision😊
Both sound great. Sure, the original sounds more cohesive and has more depth but it would be splitting hairs on a blind test
😂
Excuses. No it's just tuned different.