If you dig the linndrum sound, you might like how I used it in my latest song ‘Feelin’ Free’🎸 th-cam.com/video/rD5YdswHsEI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xSzUpFyebplmnfzb Btw I recorded it authentically with tape machines, it’s all analog!!
Original LinnDrum just has this effortless "splash" when you press on it, like a big instant slap on a face, haha. Thanks for the samples I needed this for my Korg Kronos 2 so I don't milk to the death Roland TR 808 and TR 909 samples that are in there from the factory settings ... :)) I touched the first analog synth back in 1982 when I was just 6 years old (mom said, don't touch it!!!:)), this setup that you have gave me a back in time feeling ... Great synths. And yes it was a Minimoog, haha
I genuinely would’ve thought this was an 80s video if the lm drum wasn’t there. Apart from the toms I thought they sounded very similar & they’d sound even more similar if you used the same effects and eq on both
The people that go on about "It doesn't sound like the original" 🙄 my ish aint never gonna sound like the instruments on a Prince, MJ, Funkadelic album. Regardless of what drum machine, guitar amp, guitar etc.. all that ish was recorded on specific desks on a reel to reel with God knows what outboard gear 🙄 And I bet no reel to reel, desk etc. Sounds like one another, even if they are the same. Just make music, enjoy what u do on whatever gear. I don't have any Behringer gear but can appreciate they do it at an affordable price. I'm tempted to get the LM for the 12 bit sampling but I need to hear more, not really Interested in the LM drum sound as I'm happy with GForce's Icondrum 🤷🏻♂️
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer 🤐
I don’t know if you know this, but the Linn drum EPROMs sound different if you put them in different slots. For example the snare sounds different in the claps slot or if you put the snare in the kick slot. (It’s really cool) I design sounds for the Linn drum if you ever need any. (Nothing beats the real thing)
The OG Linndrum had a noisy transformer that you could hear in the kick drum sounds. You HAD to gate the kick to really make it useable in the studio. I owned the original and cant WAIT to get the Behringer.
Do you know how Faltermeyer did the snare on "Passion Play" from Thief of Hearts Soundtrack ? Its a linndrum snare but sounds super fat and juicy lol @@AllenMichael
It's a 8/12-Bit sampler with some cloned circuity, that kinda looks like, and operates a little like a LinnDum. It has LM1, LinnDum, Linn 9000, Sequential DrumTraks, Simmons SDS, and some other samples in it. It's also got a dual-mode analog filter, bitcrusher, various tricks in it's 64 step sequencer, wave designer, and some other stuff in it. Oh, and some decent I/O. All for $400. Taking into account that age plays a role in the sound of your particular machine, if something sounds a little off (they are samples) first make sure you're using the right samples, one bank mixes all the drums together. Consider tuning, filter, and velocity. If those aren't it, literally load a proper sample into the machine and that's as close as you're going to get. Also, by default the LM Drum is 12 bit at a sample rate of 24kHz. The LinnDum has 35kHz samples BTW. I don't even feel comfortable calling it a clone. It's quite different, and it's a lot more than a clone could be. It's a sampler.
@HOLLASOUNDS, The guy just described to you in detail why it’s not a “clone” in the generally understood meaning of that term, and all you could do is say “Nope” and make a very vague Appeal to Authority fallacy?
@ That wasn't Linn's first comment on the LM Drum, but it's the one everyone is seemingly clinging to. The previous comment was a tacit approval. Paraphrasing, saying he's not interested in the past, but that he thought it was cool that other people were doing it. Speaking about Linn's comment on not being interested in the past. He sure is when it comes to the Luma-1, Joe Britt's "Enhanced LM-1 Drum Machine", which Linn is endorsing on his site. Just saying . . .
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 A device that copys an original and is a recreation copying multiple desighn in technology and appearance is the definition of a clone device. My Behringer Monopoly is a clone of the Korg Monopoly.
I’m not a sequencer guy, but I’ve always loved the sound that the classic Linn models ground out. I’m also not that big of a software guy, so the idea of Behringer coming up with a drum machine model like this one is an easy temptation, more than any other model they’ve come out with up to 2025. The idea I’ve got is to get the LM Drum and slave it to my Yamaha DTX Multi 12 which I use for playing most of the drum parts on my tracks. The Multi 12 is already loaded with tones from the Yamaha RX line from 40 years ago which in and of themselves sound awesome, but I think the sounds on this model hit the mark much better.
There is an original RX5 where I live, but it’s sans power supply. I’m too much of a coward to try searching for a new one. I keep hearing the machine wouldn’t power up.
@ so since I’ve got this new lmdrum. I’m gonna transfer all my studio samples to it. If you need any rx5 samples I can give you some. Hit me up on my website
For me swing timing is more about the interplay of how the drums sound than timing. The original has a brighter snappier snare. So you get this back and forth motion with the darker kick. The behringer is close , but the darker snare doesn’t vibe with kick as much. It might be nit picking , but to my hips it’s the difference between moving them a bit or a lot. Then again in a mix would my hips care. It’s close enough , but I’m ok with samples that have been processed with better outboard than I could ever afford tbh.
OK here’s my analysis for whatever it’s worth. I’m a former Behringer beta tester/product specialist (K-20, Pro-1, Odyssey, 2600, TD-3, RD-8, Poly D, WASP, Crave, etc). I have no opinions about Behringer one way or another - although I have not worked for them in a few years, I still like and use several of their products. Good value is good value, and good sound is good sound. My thoughts about the LmDrum after hearing this video (and spending many hours with a LinnDrum and LM-1 myself): The hi hat and cymbals are NOT cutting it. Maybe a deal breaker for me. They sound low passed. I thought everyone knew that Roger Linn set the filter cutoff just above Nyquist to get some of that digital “noise” in there, which is what gives that machine its lively, punchy attack transients. Sounds like the Behringer one has the cutoff set lower than the original, which is what a reasonable engineer would probably try to do, but that is literally not the LinnDrum sound. It sounds like a bad MP3 file on the top end. I hope that can be rectified because I have been looking forward to this unit! Thanks again for the great video! Sweet Minimoog playing!
Good to hear your opinion Max. I know that it's genuine as I have seen your reviews over the years and they have always been honest and spot on. I suppose if a musician can't afford or find the original then even though this isn't exactly a clone it still can be classed as a family member that resembles the older uncle and used for a relatively close comparison to the original. I hope your gripe can be rectified too. Hope all is good with you my friend
@@mootbooxle The question is if Behringer is using the bin files of the proms chips for the sounds or a sampling of the sound. That plays a role, that's why Aly James LM-1 plugin sounds identical to the original because the plugin is reading the original bin file not a sample.
The only product that actually models that companding is the VPROM plug-in by Aly James. It's basically a complete LM-1 in software form. To my ears it sounds identical. And it's got the variable decay hi-hat too, which was also slightly random every time you triggered it, hence the LM-1 sounding quite human.
I’m wondering, the Behringer LM drum or Isla S2400? Currently use Aly James’s Vprom vst, but wondering for performance/sampler purposes which hardware is better. I know there’s a bigger price difference but both are 12 bit samplers with similar purposes. I know the Isla S2400 is a lot more complicated & sophisticated. Awesome comparison & video btw! Just subbed.
You got the drum sounds of the 80'S, the Linndrum and the Simmons SDSV, sorry but it's not the 808 or 909, I can add the Oberheim DMX and that's it! I used to have a Linndrum, sold it 20 years ago but I still have my Simmons SDSV, planning to get the Behringer to bring back my sound combination. Cheers!
@Ashfaq1999 Absolutely, and the Behringer gives you more because it has other Linn sounds and the sampling gives you endless possibilities. the price is fair too
the toms sounded different, the hi hat seem tuned slightly lower on the Behringer and the kick seems to have a slight more low end on the Lynn Drum - Behringer seems slightly more "clicky" - Everything else very very close
Got the early 80s vibes in how you filmed it. Unless you went back to 82 lol In terms of differences, they both sound great. Get what works for you and make some music No one really cares about our opinions.
Thank you for the comparison!!!!! I am thinking of getting this. So if I use the samples from your link, they sound exactly the same as the linndrum machine?
Dude you've got like the bestest equipment :) The behringer LM drum sounds alright. Some drums seem to sound a bit dull in comparison to the Lindrum. From what I've heard of it's LM1 reproduction, that sounds a bit too dull as well. What is your experience?
Contentious I know.......but to the average music "consumer" they wouldn't notice a difference because nobody is about to record the same new hit song twice, once with either drum machine. To the music producer there is a difference and some might prefer either for different reasons. For the audiophile do you really worry about drum samples in a finished recording where some of the sample character is masked by other sonic elements? If you consider the price differential between them and the availability and the concept that if you damage your LM you can just go and get another, I think the argument of which one is better is largely pointless. If I owned both and I needed to go on tour, the LinnDrum would stay in the studio and the LM Drum would go on the road. If I owned both and were recording, I would probably use the LinnDrum because if I didn't use it I would question the validity of owning it. Any young Artist/Band starting out who wants those sounds in hardware, obviously the LM is far more accessible NOW than the LinnDrum has been in it's entire existence.
The differences are subtle and as you say the average listener wouldn't notice any difference. Add effects and combine with other synth tracks and the difference becomes less still. A blind listen test would have been better as some people will insist on listening with their eyes rather than ears, not to mention gear snobbery. I agree with all your points. I've been using G Force Software's Iconic Drum as an LM1 alternative, which is cheaper again than the Behringer copy. Many Roland TR-808s sound different from each other and I wonder if the same would apply to LM1s? It has been 4 decades after all. Ultimatelty, it's each to their own.
@@apislapis isn’t that because 808s are analogue and linns are digital so the EPROMs are the same samples? So you could put them in another machine like a Yamaha and they’d sound the same
@@apislapis It's funny the gear snobbery that gets mentioned, most owners of these and Moogs etc are generally chill people. It's the clone buyers and others that come in with harsh remarks and sweeping statements. They all seem to be 'happy with my clone' but have to announce on every YT video of vintage gear.
I just don't want to dance on the LM behringher, the groove is dead . Nobody will make any hit with this one, as nobody made any hit with all the actual berhinghers instruments
Good video, the OG Linn Drum definitely sounds “better” for a lack of words. BUT, who would wanna deal with the headache of old equipment. That said, I’d rather a Plugin than the Behringer LM Drum. If it’s all about the sound and not just collecting hardware ya know
Thank you. So I like the hardware because you can use this live! Also, it can interface really well with analog synths by using the trigger i/o, and it responds better than midi! A fun thing I do with the linn is connect it to my minimoog v-trig input. i know you can use a computer live but anyways, diff strokes for diff folks .
@@spurv Actually age does have something to do with it. Wear and tear? Was it kept in a smoke free environment? I've got a Korg ARP Odyssey made by the same creator as the original, and I played a ARP Odyssey next to it. They sounded almost the same but the Korg didn't have the crackle and quirks that the original had due to gigging. Mine sounds like the original would have when it was new according to the owner of the original and if I gigged with mine then eventually I may get similar quirks.
The LM Drum comes with different samples though including the LM1, Linn Drum, Linn 9000 and Sequential DrumTraks. All of which had different tom sounds. Not sure if these are the same samples because even the Linn Drum tom sounds in my Tempest sound closer to the Linn Drum in this video than the LM Drum.
New Behringer Lm Drums. $399 at Sweetwater. Used Linn drums on reverb $8000+. "Art" thrives on limitations. Are they really that different? Will any one even notice in a mix of a song? I would rather put $7600 toward my mortgage using the Behringer. Not to mention the technology is 42 years newer. Linn drums came out in 1982. It deserves it place in history. Time to do some fresh stuff. Time to make new musical magic. 🎉🎉🎉
Nice 80's groove. Nice 80's cinematography too. Very well done presentation. Regarding the clone LM drum, As Roger Linn himself said, he doesn't see the point. You can find original samples from the Linn drums on the internet and put them into any MPC, Maschine, SP404 MK 2, or other sampler and you have it. If you have a sampler, you can get s free Linn drum.
Don't worry, Behringer is probably planning a Mk2 version in 4 months time (for another £400) with corrected samples and a vaguely decent swing algorithm 😅
So, these are just the stock sounds of the LmDrum? Roger Linn said it was reproduced exactly (even the stuff he might have done differently, if he could have). I assume that includes the companding? It also seems (eg 3:13) that the LmDrum is capable of reproducing the higher frequencies that seem more present in several of the LinnDrum sounds. If so, it should just be a matter of loading better samples into the LmDrum … ? As for the swing, there’s no reason why modern tech shouldn’t be able to reproduce that perfectly, if it is configured to. It will be very interesting to see (ie hear) what the LmDrum can do, once it has been in the wild for a while and people refine its sounds in whichever ways prove possible … 🤔🙂
@@AllenMichael Thanks. I asked about the LmDrum sounds … so I assume those are original, since you didn’t mention them. E-Toms in the Linndrum, got it. Yep, will wait and see what can be massaged out of the LmDrum … 🙂
for the sound. i agree they made a good job but for the rest wich is the most important. groove timing and clock. the. old ones grooves reaaly better. it push the tempo. check. videos. of drumtracks and dmw linn. etc. really better grrove.
@@WanderingEyeNews I love the linndrum! The only thing I hate about the Behringer version is I can’t find a way to start the machine with a footpedal!!! I also don’t like the way it makes patterns… I’m just too used to the way the linndrum makes songs/patterns
I don't care how faithfull it is from the original as long as i can use my own sample inside this and make then crunchier. Because of the shitty lofi DSP reproduction, it can be as good as E-MU SP 1200 since it work 12 bit or 8 Bit that make this even more interesting than the original eeprom Linndrum machine.
undoubtedly the Behri is a great thing, but it's hats aren't quite right.. too clippy? If i didnt already own an OG unit, i would buy the Lmdrum for sure. But first listen (not this vid) the hats stood out a mile
I was like "huh! Rather spot on!" until sounds with some high end were played. After that not so impressed. To be fair, it sounds dope in and of itself, the punch is there. But the hi end sizzle and definition is not. I think using potatoes for earbuds would still reveal that. One sounds like a musical instrument, the other like a quite impressive copy of that instrument. But the added sampling makes any comparison moot.
surprised how many differences there are: that lm drum sounds with some sounds like it has a lowpass filter engaged. sounding muffled. and that swing on the LM drum sounds absolutely crappy and ungroovy compared to the OG. that´s sad.
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer
They are so close its not even worth complaining and the listener really couldn't care less about any differences. The main thing that matters is that you can make music with it, its fun to use, it sounds good and it inspires. In a mix you wont be able to tell its not the real thing.
To me… the LM sounds chopped… stiff and dull. But I guess it’s easily fixed by putting your own samples in. But in that case I could use other drum machines. However; somehow the same happened with your simmons samples! What made it sound so different!
Getting motion sickness form all the camera shaking ! Hate to say it, but the Linn sounds and feels way better. It deserves the prices it fetches these days.
The Linn Drum sounds just evoke so many records. The Behringer kick and snare are almost identical (they snap faster though which sound uncomfortable) but the hats don't sound alike, and the toms sound horrible (on the Behringer). Too bad, I would've fancied buying one just to program a few tracks for fun.
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer
If you dig the linndrum sound, you might like how I used it in my latest song ‘Feelin’ Free’🎸
th-cam.com/video/rD5YdswHsEI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xSzUpFyebplmnfzb
Btw I recorded it authentically with tape machines, it’s all analog!!
AMAZING! thanks
authentic 80's style footage and mullet
@@iamyourfuture808 thanks. Keepin it reel 🎷
Close enough for dance music. This was nicely presented and appreciated. Thank you
Subscribed! Thank you for the samples! This is the best comparison video so far!
Thanks! Happy music making 🎉
Man your jam got me nostalgic and emotional. Dang! Subscription now!!!
@@monsieursolitaire6214 hahaha thanks bro. Goto my website and join my community. I’ll be releasing an album soon.
I legit thought that this was a retro video from 1980s. Good stuff!
Original LinnDrum just has this effortless "splash" when you press on it, like a big instant slap on a face, haha. Thanks for the samples I needed this for my Korg Kronos 2 so I don't milk to the death Roland TR 808 and TR 909 samples that are in there from the factory settings ... :)) I touched the first analog synth back in 1982 when I was just 6 years old (mom said, don't touch it!!!:)), this setup that you have gave me a back in time feeling ... Great synths. And yes it was a Minimoog, haha
I genuinely would’ve thought this was an 80s video if the lm drum wasn’t there.
Apart from the toms I thought they sounded very similar & they’d sound even more similar if you used the same effects and eq on both
Thats the idea.
The clap is slightly different! You can't possibly expect me to create music with this!
Lol
the Uli Drums has no groove, just like any other drum machine
😂❤LM❤😂
Been wondering about this. thanks for this video!
The people that go on about "It doesn't sound like the original" 🙄 my ish aint never gonna sound like the instruments on a Prince, MJ, Funkadelic album. Regardless of what drum machine, guitar amp, guitar etc.. all that ish was recorded on specific desks on a reel to reel with God knows what outboard gear 🙄 And I bet no reel to reel, desk etc. Sounds like one another, even if they are the same. Just make music, enjoy what u do on whatever gear. I don't have any Behringer gear but can appreciate they do it at an affordable price. I'm tempted to get the LM for the 12 bit sampling but I need to hear more, not really Interested in the LM drum sound as I'm happy with GForce's Icondrum 🤷🏻♂️
"Just make music, enjoy what u do on whatever gear" never said any gear snob 😄
Real talk!
The people that complain about that crap don't even make music. They just want to brag about how many expensive vintage synths they own
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer 🤐
@@zachary_attackery their vintage synths make them feel ‘special’ though 😆
Bro got the lava lamp, the forearm hair, and the vintage beats.
This guy's more 80s than Espen Kraft
😂😂😂😂😂
Espen ain’t 80s. He doesn’t even record on tape. He mostly uses plug-ins.
Funny you mentioned, I was just thinking it!
The wig is really the proverbial cherry on top.
@ Wig?
I Love your presentation STYLE!
Shweet video man!
I don’t know if you know this, but the Linn drum EPROMs sound different if you put them in different slots. For example the snare sounds different in the claps slot or if you put the snare in the kick slot. (It’s really cool) I design sounds for the Linn drum if you ever need any.
(Nothing beats the real thing)
Thanks for sharing man. Really appreciated the comparison
Apples and oranges and they both fruits! Sweet! ❤
Nice video, thanks! Those toms...Are they even the same samples? Sounded very different.
The OG Linndrum had a noisy transformer that you could hear in the kick drum sounds. You HAD to gate the kick to really make it useable in the studio. I owned the original and cant WAIT to get the Behringer.
@@deniciodeltoro7803 I use an expander and it sounds awesome!
I have no noise on my Linndrum . You should recap it
Do you know how Faltermeyer did the snare on "Passion Play" from Thief of Hearts Soundtrack ? Its a linndrum snare but sounds super fat and juicy lol @@AllenMichael
@ sounds to me like there is pitch, EQ, and some gated reverb fx. Could also be a pinch of compression. Cool song !! Now I want to watch the movie.
@@AllenMichaelfilm is seedy, it has a great soundtrack by faltermeyer & moroder. Lots of linndrum
I love the video quality
@@jaggass Based on his equipment he went all analog including the video.
I thought its original from the 80ties VHS Cassette
Bona-fide 80s equipment wibe, VHS video and mullet. 😁
It's a 8/12-Bit sampler with some cloned circuity, that kinda looks like, and operates a little like a LinnDum.
It has LM1, LinnDum, Linn 9000, Sequential DrumTraks, Simmons SDS, and some other samples in it. It's also got a dual-mode analog filter, bitcrusher, various tricks in it's 64 step sequencer, wave designer, and some other stuff in it. Oh, and some decent I/O. All for $400.
Taking into account that age plays a role in the sound of your particular machine, if something sounds a little off (they are samples) first make sure you're using the right samples, one bank mixes all the drums together. Consider tuning, filter, and velocity. If those aren't it, literally load a proper sample into the machine and that's as close as you're going to get. Also, by default the LM Drum is 12 bit at a sample rate of 24kHz. The LinnDum has 35kHz samples BTW.
I don't even feel comfortable calling it a clone. It's quite different, and it's a lot more than a clone could be. It's a sampler.
🎯
Nope it's a clone, even copys the same circuitry confirmed by Rodger Linn him self however He was a bit upset about it.
@HOLLASOUNDS, The guy just described to you in detail why it’s not a “clone” in the generally understood meaning of that term, and all you could do is say “Nope” and make a very vague Appeal to Authority fallacy?
@ That wasn't Linn's first comment on the LM Drum, but it's the one everyone is seemingly clinging to. The previous comment was a tacit approval. Paraphrasing, saying he's not interested in the past, but that he thought it was cool that other people were doing it.
Speaking about Linn's comment on not being interested in the past. He sure is when it comes to the Luma-1, Joe Britt's "Enhanced LM-1 Drum Machine", which Linn is endorsing on his site.
Just saying . . .
@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 A device that copys an original and is a recreation copying multiple desighn in technology and appearance is the definition of a clone device. My Behringer Monopoly is a clone of the Korg Monopoly.
I’m not a sequencer guy, but I’ve always loved the sound that the classic Linn models ground out. I’m also not that big of a software guy, so the idea of Behringer coming up with a drum machine model like this one is an easy temptation, more than any other model they’ve come out with up to 2025. The idea I’ve got is to get the LM Drum and slave it to my Yamaha DTX Multi 12 which I use for playing most of the drum parts on my tracks. The Multi 12 is already loaded with tones from the Yamaha RX line from 40 years ago which in and of themselves sound awesome, but I think the sounds on this model hit the mark much better.
@@Shred_The_Weapon very cool! I have an old rx5 that I programmed a ton of sounds on
There is an original RX5 where I live, but it’s sans power supply. I’m too much of a coward to try searching for a new one. I keep hearing the machine wouldn’t power up.
@ so since I’ve got this new lmdrum. I’m gonna transfer all my studio samples to it. If you need any rx5 samples I can give you some. Hit me up on my website
Much obliged, Michael Allen.
I love the ride you take me on. 🕺🌶️
For me swing timing is more about the interplay of how the drums sound than timing. The original has a brighter snappier snare. So you get this back and forth motion with the darker kick. The behringer is close , but the darker snare doesn’t vibe with kick as much. It might be nit picking , but to my hips it’s the difference between moving them a bit or a lot. Then again in a mix would my hips care.
It’s close enough , but I’m ok with samples that have been processed with better outboard than I could ever afford tbh.
OK here’s my analysis for whatever it’s worth. I’m a former Behringer beta tester/product specialist (K-20, Pro-1, Odyssey, 2600, TD-3, RD-8, Poly D, WASP, Crave, etc). I have no opinions about Behringer one way or another - although I have not worked for them in a few years, I still like and use several of their products. Good value is good value, and good sound is good sound.
My thoughts about the LmDrum after hearing this video (and spending many hours with a LinnDrum and LM-1 myself):
The hi hat and cymbals are NOT cutting it. Maybe a deal breaker for me. They sound low passed. I thought everyone knew that Roger Linn set the filter cutoff just above Nyquist to get some of that digital “noise” in there, which is what gives that machine its lively, punchy attack transients.
Sounds like the Behringer one has the cutoff set lower than the original, which is what a reasonable engineer would probably try to do, but that is literally not the LinnDrum sound. It sounds like a bad MP3 file on the top end. I hope that can be rectified because I have been looking forward to this unit!
Thanks again for the great video! Sweet Minimoog playing!
Good to hear your opinion Max. I know that it's genuine as I have seen your reviews over the years and they have always been honest and spot on. I suppose if a musician can't afford or find the original then even though this isn't exactly a clone it still can be classed as a family member that resembles the older uncle and used for a relatively close comparison to the original. I hope your gripe can be rectified too. Hope all is good with you my friend
Dude, where r new vids?
@@mootbooxle The question is if Behringer is using the bin files of the proms chips for the sounds or a sampling of the sound. That plays a role, that's why Aly James LM-1 plugin sounds identical to the original because the plugin is reading the original bin file not a sample.
Thanks moot!
@ All the best Allen!
What what video filter did you use for this? Great vid!
@@lordspam2721 no filter. Its a video camera
@@AllenMichael Thats awesome! I have an old Hi 8 cam Ive thought about bringing out. Thanks
The old samplers weren't simply 8 or 12 bit samplers, they used companding to compress the data.
The only product that actually models that companding is the VPROM plug-in by Aly James. It's basically a complete LM-1 in software form. To my ears it sounds identical.
And it's got the variable decay hi-hat too, which was also slightly random every time you triggered it, hence the LM-1 sounding quite human.
@@wjec1970..Great software!
@@wjec1970 Behringer's LM Drum does a round-robin with the hi-hat samples as well.
@@wjec1970 Yep, I have VPROM. It's fantastic!
You can adjust the tones of the sounds I guess
I’m wondering, the Behringer LM drum or Isla S2400? Currently use Aly James’s Vprom vst, but wondering for performance/sampler purposes which hardware is better. I know there’s a bigger price difference but both are 12 bit samplers with similar purposes. I know the Isla S2400 is a lot more complicated & sophisticated. Awesome comparison & video btw! Just subbed.
I liked that song at the end
@@MatthewSearles-un4qo thank you!!!! It’s an instrumental version of a song I have. The minimoog part is based on the vocals
enjoyed the jam
@@christopherprice3226 thanks for listening! It’s an instrumental version of a song I have
Since the LinnDrum is either unobtainable or too expensive, the Behringer will do the job just fine.
And its more than good enough, none of us need the real thing.
I can just put the samples into a better machine though. Win for me.
You can adjust the sounds I guess he don’t know that
Unobtainable and too expensive? They’re like $7000 lol. They are not expensive. And there are a ton of them.
@@burns46824 what am I supposed to say to this?
The LM Drum sounds very good for a €359 device! What did the OG cost back then?
$3,000 in 1982 so €9500 today 😱
@@TayWoode
This is why I'm glad Behringer exists. 9g for a basic ass old drummer is pure cultism.
@@RayyMusik And $7k for original today!
You Sir earned a Sub & Thumbs up!
Awesome, thanks for the support!
Great video thanks
You got the drum sounds of the 80'S, the Linndrum and the Simmons SDSV, sorry but it's not the 808 or 909, I can add the Oberheim DMX and that's it!
I used to have a Linndrum, sold it 20 years ago but I still have my Simmons SDSV, planning to get the Behringer to bring back my sound combination.
Cheers!
Same here, had the original Linndrum which broke, sold the 808 & oberhiem dx. The behringer LM drum is good enough to recapture the same sound 💯
@Ashfaq1999 Absolutely, and the Behringer gives you more because it has other Linn sounds and the sampling gives you endless possibilities. the price is fair too
$8000 or $400 hmm… 🤔
Evidently some people think that """""mojo""""" is worth $7600. Honey no, that's just called a "status symbol".
the toms sounded different, the hi hat seem tuned slightly lower on the Behringer and the kick seems to have a slight more low end on the Lynn Drum - Behringer seems slightly more "clicky" - Everything else very very close
We don't know if that's deliberate or if it's stock.
6:10 - the original handles the swung hi hat much better. Is that cause swing is no longer a thing?
Got the early 80s vibes in how you filmed it. Unless you went back to 82 lol
In terms of differences, they both sound great. Get what works for you and make some music No one really cares about our opinions.
I wonder what it looks like if you record in SLP?
Thank you for the comparison!!!!! I am thinking of getting this. So if I use the samples from your link, they sound exactly the same as the linndrum machine?
The samples were recorded from the linndrum that I use!
Oh this is interesting
It’s done on purpose any sound can be created to the exact same why we use or engineer
Got a TR-8S loaded Linn samples job done with effects per channel.
Where did you got the samples from ?
@@Venatt1 Alex Ball, Legendary TH-camr drive.google.com/file/d/1gqpzwGcB9MUXH6wvT96aoTXNRl3BOvZ9/view
@@Venatt1 Alex Ball, Legendary TH-camr drive.google.com/file/d/1gqpzwGcB9MUXH6wvT96aoTXNRl3BOvZ9/view
@@Venatt1 Alex Ball on TH-cam, they are a free download. For some reason YT won't let me paste the link.
Also did you know there secret tuners inside the Linn drum?? Something the clone lacks.
Dude you've got like the bestest equipment :) The behringer LM drum sounds alright. Some drums seem to sound a bit dull in comparison to the Lindrum. From what I've heard of it's LM1 reproduction, that sounds a bit too dull as well. What is your experience?
Thanks my friend. It’s ironic that it can sound dull because a lot of the Behringer synths I’ve tried sound harsh in the higher frequencies.
I'd bet that if you put two linndrums side by side, they'd sound different from each other.
I have two originals. would you like to see a quick video?
@@AllenMichael Yes we would, please
Not that most would be able to tell.
Music buyers dont care if it sound exact or not.. however i do think the original sounds a little brighter
@@AllenMichael wow a mullet AND two LM Drums, you're everything i want to be 😍
what's the deal with the behringer open hat cutting off like that?
@@NicoHolloman it may have cutoff due to programming. Hi hats on the lmdrum are a little weird compared to the linndrum , def not the same
Contentious I know.......but to the average music "consumer" they wouldn't notice a difference because nobody is about to record the same new hit song twice, once with either drum machine. To the music producer there is a difference and some might prefer either for different reasons. For the audiophile do you really worry about drum samples in a finished recording where some of the sample character is masked by other sonic elements? If you consider the price differential between them and the availability and the concept that if you damage your LM you can just go and get another, I think the argument of which one is better is largely pointless. If I owned both and I needed to go on tour, the LinnDrum would stay in the studio and the LM Drum would go on the road. If I owned both and were recording, I would probably use the LinnDrum because if I didn't use it I would question the validity of owning it. Any young Artist/Band starting out who wants those sounds in hardware, obviously the LM is far more accessible NOW than the LinnDrum has been in it's entire existence.
The differences are subtle and as you say the average listener wouldn't notice any difference. Add effects and combine with other synth tracks and the difference becomes less still. A blind listen test would have been better as some people will insist on listening with their eyes rather than ears, not to mention gear snobbery. I agree with all your points. I've been using G Force Software's Iconic Drum as an LM1 alternative, which is cheaper again than the Behringer copy. Many Roland TR-808s sound different from each other and I wonder if the same would apply to LM1s? It has been 4 decades after all. Ultimatelty, it's each to their own.
It’s cool! For sure I will be using the LM drum on the road.
@@apislapis
isn’t that because 808s are analogue and linns are digital so the EPROMs are the same samples? So you could put them in another machine like a Yamaha and they’d sound the same
@@apislapis It's funny the gear snobbery that gets mentioned, most owners of these and Moogs etc are generally chill people. It's the clone buyers and others that come in with harsh remarks and sweeping statements. They all seem to be 'happy with my clone' but have to announce on every YT video of vintage gear.
I just don't want to dance on the LM behringher, the groove is dead . Nobody will make any hit with this one, as nobody made any hit with all the actual berhinghers instruments
Good video, the OG Linn Drum definitely sounds “better” for a lack of words. BUT, who would wanna deal with the headache of old equipment. That said, I’d rather a Plugin than the Behringer LM Drum. If it’s all about the sound and not just collecting hardware ya know
Thank you. So I like the hardware because you can use this live! Also, it can interface really well with analog synths by using the trigger i/o, and it responds better than midi! A fun thing I do with the linn is connect it to my minimoog v-trig input. i know you can use a computer live but anyways, diff strokes for diff folks .
Linn drum is 30 plus years old, Ofcourse its not gona sound the same as a brand new machine be it a clone brand or not.
@@HOLLASOUNDS That's a myth. Age has nothing to do with it.
Linndrum is pretty easy to work with to this day
@@spurv Actually age does have something to do with it. Wear and tear? Was it kept in a smoke free environment? I've got a Korg ARP Odyssey made by the same creator as the original, and I played a ARP Odyssey next to it. They sounded almost the same but the Korg didn't have the crackle and quirks that the original had due to gigging. Mine sounds like the original would have when it was new according to the owner of the original and if I gigged with mine then eventually I may get similar quirks.
Linn Drum’s toms are unmatched 🔥
The LM Drum comes with different samples though including the LM1, Linn Drum, Linn 9000 and Sequential DrumTraks. All of which had different tom sounds. Not sure if these are the same samples because even the Linn Drum tom sounds in my Tempest sound closer to the Linn Drum in this video than the LM Drum.
Yeah I guess that’s an easy fix… but still nothing I like right out of the box though
There are three different toms for the LinnDrum bank alone.
The video description says: “the Linndrum Tom’s are not the stock eproms” - so no wonder that the LM Drum sounds different
New Behringer Lm Drums. $399 at Sweetwater. Used Linn drums on reverb $8000+. "Art" thrives on limitations. Are they really that different? Will any one even notice in a mix of a song? I would rather put $7600 toward my mortgage using the Behringer. Not to mention the technology is 42 years newer. Linn drums came out in 1982. It deserves it place in history. Time to do some fresh stuff. Time to make new musical magic. 🎉🎉🎉
Nice 80's groove. Nice 80's cinematography too. Very well done presentation.
Regarding the clone LM drum, As Roger Linn himself said, he doesn't see the point. You can find original samples from the Linn drums on the internet and put them into any MPC, Maschine, SP404 MK 2, or other sampler and you have it.
If you have a sampler, you can get s free Linn drum.
Don't worry, Behringer is probably planning a Mk2 version in 4 months time (for another £400) with corrected samples and a vaguely decent swing algorithm 😅
Yup!!!! I was so disappointed with the SH 10 one clone I went and bought a real one and mc 202. They are nothing like the clones.
Linn Drum is so much better sounding
surely roger linn has copyright on the drum sounds?
So, these are just the stock sounds of the LmDrum? Roger Linn said it was reproduced exactly (even the stuff he might have done differently, if he could have). I assume that includes the companding? It also seems (eg 3:13) that the LmDrum is capable of reproducing the higher frequencies that seem more present in several of the LinnDrum sounds. If so, it should just be a matter of loading better samples into the LmDrum … ? As for the swing, there’s no reason why modern tech shouldn’t be able to reproduce that perfectly, if it is configured to. It will be very interesting to see (ie hear) what the LmDrum can do, once it has been in the wild for a while and people refine its sounds in whichever ways prove possible … 🤔🙂
everything is the original linndrum eproms except the toms. i have toms 7a,7b which are elec toms.
@@AllenMichael Thanks. I asked about the LmDrum sounds … so I assume those are original, since you didn’t mention them. E-Toms in the Linndrum, got it.
Yep, will wait and see what can be massaged out of the LmDrum … 🙂
You had me at mullet, Mister! Ok, well actually it was the LmDrum but still...
very close but the sound is brighter on the original
for the sound. i agree they made a good job but for the rest wich is the most important. groove timing and clock. the. old ones grooves reaaly better. it push the tempo. check. videos. of drumtracks and dmw linn. etc. really better grrove.
So the swing is not at ALL the same😢 which is for me the most important element of linndrum
LM has a bit choppier swing, huh. Still the sound is there.
Dude, buy a vintage prophet, it also sounds different
Very similar but linn edges slightly over
@@WanderingEyeNews I love the linndrum! The only thing I hate about the Behringer version is I can’t find a way to start the machine with a footpedal!!!
I also don’t like the way it makes patterns… I’m just too used to the way the linndrum makes songs/patterns
I don't care how faithfull it is from the original as long as i can use my own sample inside this and make then crunchier. Because of the shitty lofi DSP reproduction, it can be as good as E-MU SP 1200 since it work 12 bit or 8 Bit that make this even more interesting than the original eeprom Linndrum machine.
Huge price difference indeed. but a real sound difference too. LinnDrum has the mojo. LM is nice, but lacks the mojo :-)
There is more high end crispyness in the og
undoubtedly the Behri is a great thing, but it's hats aren't quite right.. too clippy? If i didnt already own an OG unit, i would buy the Lmdrum for sure. But first listen (not this vid) the hats stood out a mile
@@tappy72 I had to do some menu diving to change the hats. It got better, it was worse stock
At times, not always, the Linn felt a little better when playing patterns.
Actually some of the quantize settings sound dead on, and a couple way off lol
the behringer is significantly less bright....like its going through a filter or a broken channel or something
I was like "huh! Rather spot on!" until sounds with some high end were played. After that not so impressed. To be fair, it sounds dope in and of itself, the punch is there. But the hi end sizzle and definition is not. I think using potatoes for earbuds would still reveal that. One sounds like a musical instrument, the other like a quite impressive copy of that instrument. But the added sampling makes any comparison moot.
Great video.Can you tell us whats the device under the SDSV?And what is its function?
@@Ostendia it’s a Eventide h969. A delay unit :)
Bandsalat 😂
surprised how many differences there are: that lm drum sounds with some sounds like it has a lowpass filter engaged. sounding muffled. and that swing on the LM drum sounds absolutely crappy and ungroovy compared to the OG. that´s sad.
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer
BS
Transient snap is more evident on the original for certain, on every pad played…
@@FunKFaraoh-y7p I agree. Much more fidelity. Give me more of that!!!
The LM Drum has a bonus transient shaper you can use to tweak the attack/sustain. He doesn't have it activated here.
Finally a demo with decent sound quality. LinnDrum clearly better. My cabasas never sounded as good as yours!!!
but with awful video quality
@@smARTin-po lol
Thanks Tyler!!!
They are so close its not even worth complaining and the listener really couldn't care less about any differences. The main thing that matters is that you can make music with it, its fun to use, it sounds good and it inspires. In a mix you wont be able to tell its not the real thing.
@@maccagrabmeListener? You actually think these people complaining write music?
The LinnDrum has a bit more air to the sounds - slightly crisper too.
Exactly. In comparison the Behringer sounds low budget ... wait ... it is.
Most sounds are identical. The minor amount of extra ‘air’ isn’t going to be noticed in a mix with other instruments anyway.
@@Subtronik It’ll be noticed very well, believe me)
The toms on the original Linn Drum here sound like the chips were burned from a Simmons SDSV. Not original.
@@mannequinmansion yea I put that in the description
i notice between all of the comparison videos the hats typicallly sound different
@@CMedia87 good ear! That’s one way to identify the machines
btw, I had to turn something off in the settings for the hats to not sound phased
Some of the sounds on the behringer are tuned lower, the toms don’t match at all.
say that. linn drumm is far superior. in term. of groovre is simply honest. it is important to say sorry
The wood block is negligible
Dropped the ball at the toms
You just sold an LM drum.
There could be slight tuning differences between the same instruments on each machine that would affect the sound where it seems to differ.
To me… the LM sounds chopped… stiff and dull. But I guess it’s easily fixed by putting your own samples in. But in that case I could use other drum machines. However; somehow the same happened with your simmons samples! What made it sound so different!
No one listening to your music is ever going to notice.
@ I get that. But then whats the point of the synth. I like the low fi sampling idea though
@@maccagrabmefacts. The gear is solely for artist satisfaction. Listener doesn’t give a shit or even know what a synthesizer is lol.
My old linndrum had the acoustic tomtom eproms not the electronic.
Everybody , listen just to the HH , she is alive in the Linndrum, she is static in the Berhingher
Behringer sent there drum machine back in time to test it, and thats how its sound similar to the Linn Drum?
Uh… they reverse engineered it sir derpy.
@Subtronik I was joking because they made the video look like it's from the 80s.
The behringer sounds far better than the og! 😂
umm no
And it's got USB. 😬
Linn sounds clearer
@@jamisondonald384 there is a lot of info in the upper frequencies on the linndrum
Getting motion sickness form all the camera shaking ! Hate to say it, but the Linn sounds and feels way better. It deserves the prices it fetches these days.
Great content but you need a new cameraman, I’m dizzy lol
The camera is super old and heavy 😂
@ just like the Linndrum haha
The new one definitely sounds worse
The Linn Drum sounds just evoke so many records. The Behringer kick and snare are almost identical (they snap faster though which sound uncomfortable) but the hats don't sound alike, and the toms sound horrible (on the Behringer). Too bad, I would've fancied buying one just to program a few tracks for fun.
@@balisaani the OG linndrum is my fav!! But go for the lmdrum , it is still fun
Wow, the behringer sucks pretty bad
WTF is going on with the LM drums toms!?
The LM beringher just have no soul no groove . And for memory the LM1 Linn has a much more interesting groove than the Linndrum . A vco controls the sequencer
@@gonreebgonreeb man I def want the lm1!
@@AllenMichael I would love too , it' s a dream of groove
Sounds different on my iPhone, for whatever that's worth.