@@dardabo3301 and he failed badly. too much pride to let someone shoot him in the back, not enough skill to hit the shot once he turns for no reason lmao. seen better cheating in mm he must be very confident that the anti-cheat won't get him
@@dardabo3301it’s not about throwing in some bad plays. Obvious or not, the guy did some moves to gain advantage and even though he managed to have some of his opponents with their backs turned he couldn’t hit some simple ass shots.The guy couldn’t aim to save his life.
Same, it's so obvious he has ESP activated. I wouldn't be surprise with CE you could flip a single byte and get the same aftermath ESP Cam but live. He aimed directly at his opponent without ever seeing him TWICE
@@bekatang5128 Yeah, but even though i've watched this video till the end I'm not convinced Based on his aim / etc he just can be worse than other players in lobby and some thing could just be luck idk
I agree. You can avoid clearing some spots but when you enter a space you should be clearing it the same every time(unless you have a good reason). None of the randomly checking behind you shenanigans.
The way he was aiming through the wall on Ancient with his Deagle instead of holding the corridor is all the proof you could ever want. People who're genuine don't play like that.
not really, i do it a lot too when im preparing to peek a certain position, and if he clears the angle he knows that its not possible someone will come right up to him in the next 5 seconds
He was actually pretty bad though surprisingly. No idea how this guy got on a professional team. Even I have better aim and preaim (not the WH-preaim ofc xD)
@@monopoly5496 Seems like he is trying to hide it but it just gives it away even more. He is probably a fine player without cheats but obviously not good enough to qualify for EPL without cheats :D Was very obvious and sad to see.
@@monopoly5496 He is horrible at hiding it but since he's also very bad, i guess nobody really bothered to pay close attention, not even his teammates. If i had to take a blind guess as of how he got picked, most such mixed teams don't have an igl and he probably "sacrificed" himself and they thought he has "good awareness". I feel bad for his teammates tho as some of them are trying to make a career (Python, kwertz)
Usually nickname this kind of teammate the cuck of the team. Bonus points if he gives compliments to a toxic teammate because he don't want them to leave
Honestly, I think it’s so difficult to hide it if you’re walling. It’s so much information to process at once: - the enemy team positions - where it would be normal to hold/clear - what amount of time would be normal for someone without walls to hold an angle - where the enemy team is moving + their strategy - and finally keeping calm so you’ve good aim when you see more than 1 coming towards you but you could possibly only reasonably expect there to only be 1 enemy I can’t imagine how anyone could convincingly hide the fact that they’re walling, especially in a demo replay
Definitely way easier than you think, I got away with it for over year before I stopped. All you have to do is just fake a few deaths and be consistent with clearing angles. My best guess is that he doesn’t cheat often enough to get used to playing with them. He looks like someone trying to hide walls who’s barely used them.
@@johnmoore1495 I get your point but it really depends on the level. I would argue at a higher level it becomes harder because more and more people understand what is and isn’t feasible or normal the higher you go - all it takes is a POV review which would need to be instigated by something first
@@aidanr998 problem is they have to be incredibly sure to actually ban you though. One slip up isn’t going to get you banned. This dude got banned because there were so many examples and overall he played terrible on top of it. Also even for the players who do cheat, it doesn’t mean they cheat every game or even the whole game. Back in the day Virtus Pro had a ton of sketchy online games. There was a stretch there where they were utterly terrible as a team having to face relegation in various leagues. However once they had to play their relegation matches, they seemingly could see the future, they played like a different team. The motivation for them to cheat in those situations is also incredibly high. Poland is a relatively poor nation (relative to developed nations) and getting relegated would be a massive hit to the players and the organization. (Obviously there was no definitive individual proof otherwise someone would’ve been banned but honestly I’m 99% they cheated in some of those relegation matches.)
I saw this live lmao and thought it was pretty blatant too. I’m sure EPL are basically 100% sure since they banned them don’t understand how players think they can get away with this but it’s really bad for the scene
thing is the fact of how proud he is now to have banned the whole team with him. Clearly without his wall hack he is just regular guy cuz how bad he is even when in the back he gets downed. So I'm sure without it he wouldnt even play fps games and that fact goes for everyone doing it , nowadays people are to lazy to do a training like a regullar guy wanna be champion would do, of course buying/using a cheat is way more easy and shows us how 0 skill they have even WITH cheats on their system. I dont understand why they can make it so far without getting banned even way before the tournament. I think those who checks the reports on gamers are getting lazy also, what will come soon hopefully is a tool who checks your task manager before letting you in online on sessions and continously looks if you use 'aim assisted software' . until Microsoft and all the applications (steam,ubisoft,activision or whatever) don't use that cheaters will be unluckely staying in the top 1000 of all fps games. sullution is easy, just let gaming app's see your task manager and if your legit you can play online , ontherwise use cheats only on bots offline. I'm playing everyday different fps and from long ago and saw how the players evolved in the way of : Ooh I'm too much killed so I use/install some cheats so I'm making kills, hey there why not also when cheats detected put their internet on a 0,0000000001 kB speed so the world of gamers start thinking like ok if I'm detected I can say byebye to my internet (for the whole house and vpn doesn't change that fact) for 3 months. they agree to the confidentiality thing so why not push it in it that your home internet will be affected if cheats detected. This would be so wicked players would stop doing, and then a lot of streamers and pro players will leave the games with the excuse nah I'm stopping.
yeah, estonian scene is pretty small and after this, every new talent will have it tough everyone second quessing. The same happened to India, a country full of scammers and frauds, everyone had doubts and suspicions, then Indian team made it to pro league, everyone started throwing arguments that the whole scene was wrong about India, and few weeks later Forsaken got caught hacking and back to square one, good luck ever changing that stereotype about india in CS :D
02:34 is probably the most blatant round of them all. He is pushing A main 20 seconds into the round were he is not clearing A main for a possible lurker. At the same time on B site they know the bomb is B, and his teamm8 dies 25seconds into the round on B ramp. And slightly before this the mid guy is already rotating towards B. Because they are quite sure about this being B. Even so the A main guy is playing like they are atleast 2 players holding mid and A main. He even walks back "coincidentally" at the right timing when one of the two T players is checking A main for a push. After.. AFTER that there is a molly thrown in mid which we have no idea whether it was called out or not. This is when we know for sure there is at least one guy holding down mid. Even so this guy is playing like there's a second guy holding him down.. And then again, At the same time his team is going into a defensive position to hold off B, as they do know the bomb is B, and close to ramp. So it's very obvious in this clip, out of many, that he is playing with somewhat more info aka cheating. Let's not forget to mention how his crosshair placement is amazing when he is knowingly anticipating them, but it's also super lazy when he knows there's nobody close to him when he is doing something that would be considered an aggressive play.
Tbh im lucky with premier. I was always gn4-ak2 and started playing again. I somehow have 15k points and most enemies are leggit. On wingman gn1-4 its 30% balant cheating. On mirage silver 2.yes silver 2 they either play like gods or are the worst noobs
def not a skill issue, there are over 20 good cheat providers atm, half of them are undetectable. I'm not even watching demos anymore, they try to hide it and get to the top. from 15k it's filled with cheaters, played at 20k for a while and then outta nowhere 5 straight matches with cheaters, sometimes obvious, just killing everyone in the first 10 secs of the round
Totally agree ... wish it was possible to register with your ssn to play games and if you cheat you get banned from all games .. but that idea sounds like 1984 ... sad times indeed
@Mogambosa that's actually the best anticheat tbh. For eg, in Korea, they have to register through their SSN. I'd they get banned, they're done for. They either have to borrow a family member's SSN or buy one. But it's not as easy as making new email address. Hence, almost 0 cheaters. (This is in Sudden Attack game).
@@FONK6969 Honestly for games I'm all for it. First cos well games are mostly for recreation. Second it's not such an important part of the economy so abit of 1984 is ok with me for games. It'll make my games so much more enjoyable. I really cant stand ego ragmuffins when they get rekt so their rage takes over and ruins the game for everyone. Sad.
I dont understand why these big pro teams and tournaments dont make players sign a legal binding agreement that states if you are caught cheating you will be sued and fined. Actions should have consequences.
Totally agree. It's just like you're trying to steal something and getting caught has zero consequences. No wonder why people cheat. Many tournaments, in general, have prize pools and cheating in tournaments is just as bad as stealing.
Yeah that was what convinced me. Had an argument about him with a friend ( we both Estonians) who isn't sure he was cheating. If he isn't then he is just a idiot who has no place in a pro team, average Sunday player would know there won't be a T there. Rest of the clips could theoretically be just coincidence, which I'm not claiming btw
if you're clearing A main and you cleared BEHIND YOU TWICE, WITHOUT ANY SOUND. NO CT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD CHECK AGAIN, EVEN WORSE LITERALLY GO BACK INSTEAD OF FLANK LMAO@@chairpersonofthecharlotteh5646
That's what I was shocked at, and I don't even play this game. You wouldn't do that in any fps. You can really tell that this guy is shit at fps, and the cheats are carrying him.
But it could have been a callout from teammates, idk personally for me only the flash was really weird and the second tournaround A-Main (Ancient), the other stuff is not super blatant as this guy says, like stuff like pre-aim can be explained of habbits, teamcalls, gamesense or just beeing bad (not everybody is a niko) and positioning can be super super lucky so yeah... but i gotta say i didn't watched the games live, soo maybe there it would have been more clear. Long story short i've he is cheating = deserved but blatant is something different to me. :)
the same guy has got a faceit account with 5k games on it. almost the same name same country and steamprofile name history. he got a vac ban on that and opened a new account 1 1/2 years ago :D
So he got game banned, not VAC banned. Valve also for whatever reason cleared him to compete again as a pro but because they don't reverse bans on accounts he was required to make a new one. It's the same name because it's the same guy.
Oh it’s littered with them. Most of them are good players but don’t quite have what it takes to make the big leagues so they cheat with the hopes of making it. Problem is if you make it, you’re still not good enough and now you’re going to be scrutinized because you have eyes on you.
Summit1g said it best about this years ago: "I'd be too paranoid to cheat in my streaming/ pro gaming career because eventually you're gonna slip up eventually down the road." you can't fake legitimacy 100% of the time 24/7. it will catch up with you the more eyes you garner especially during live streams or games that permit looking back at rounds. you can claim your teammates gave you comms for only so long until people start analyzing all your clips.
Plus side of not cheating.... you can pull off the craziest luck shot in the world and have no care in the world who or what reports you ^^ because YOU KNOW YOU DONT CHEAT ^^ you dont have to defend yourself, you dont have to make up excuses, you can just be fucking happy with the once of a lifetime shot and celebrate ^^
That's not always true. There are many cheaters in the pro scene that have cheated but have not been officially confirmed cheating because lack of evidence. Flusha is one good example
Love this content with a good breakdown. Some people don't understand what a bullshit clear looks like/not clearing at all from an enemy. How an enemy clears or if they consistently don't clear is very telling.
It looked like he kept on getting sloppier as the matches went on. The biggest red flags though were his reactions to enemy movements when there were no visual or audio cues.
Upon seeing videos like this, I always think about how many cheaters in EPL are simply just better than him at hiding their cheats. This guy really only got caught because of his ESP... what about the ones that use a low FOV smooth assistance aimbot with chams instead of walls? Pretty much impossible to spot but gives a giant advantage.
It's this exact reason why remote tournaments should be retired. Force all competition matches to be in-person on provided equipment with fresh installs without internet or thumbdrive access. And even then I'd still be suspicious just given how ubiquitous cheats are these days.
@@MM-qy7siif a mouse or keyboard is somehow enabling a wallhack or aimbot there’s no way to do it without it interacting with the game which could easily be detectable in system logs of the computer if someone were to go looking for it. Macros and recoil control can be done without actually interacting with the game, but those aren’t very useful at the professional level.
As someone who has preformed in semi-pros over the years off and on, it's typically half of the teams every tournament who are found with 1-2 cheaters on their teams. Back in 2019 in Rainbow 6 Siege there was only 3 legitimate teams out of the 16 who were competing, and two of those teams even attempted to bring actual pro league players on their team by using alt accounts. The best part was the pro's weren't even registered on the team rosters, so they illegally joined the tournament, and all prize money winnings at the end of the tournament were withheld from all of the players who actually won fairly due to the fact that 90% of the players competing were disqualified or found cheating. Sadly this is a very normal thing to occur in Semi-Pros and even Pro comps, and is why I stepped back from competing myself, because there is nothing worse than competing for money that you'll never get all because people get your tournaments canceled. Imagine training daily for months for a tourn, you get in, you make it to 1st place despite cheaters and what-not, yet the organizers pull the prize money and leave you with nothing at all. Absolutely ruins esports and any drive to be competitive anymore.
Either incredible combination of timing and luck, or cheats. I bet on the latter. His actions looked way too deliberate. Especially those site clears and not clearing certain angles is just a big nono, especially at that level of play. Like you can tell he has no fear going into the clearing of those, while, you can see most people being really thorough even on empty sites, just to make sure they won't be surprised by something stupid. x)
Yea, thanks for even considering he might not cheat and not mindlessly joining a witch hunt - as in hindsight it is extremely easy to connect the dots and say "it's obvious", when in reality even on noob level there's probably a dozen of accidental crosshair lineups and weird turnarounds per match that look like cheating when reviewing. Especially when it's based on two maps only. Then again, I share your opinion here, all looking very deliberate. I'd definitely be suspicious and watch more material (which I suppose admins have done, but not the quick-to-judge bandwaggon crowd on youtube).
@@roecentauri There is such thing as being too skeptical. I find this video to be enough. The consistency and amount of timings, lazy clearing (bc he had no fear knowing no one was there), used to fake clearing so much that he does so even when enemies couldn't quite literally possibly be at angles he clears (which in itself is suspicious), and VERY unorthodox decisions as a reaction to info he shouldn't have are at a levels of unlikeliness to happen in such a short amount of time that you may just have a higher chance of winning the lotto. I'm sure more footage was reviewed, but he wasn't subtle with it at all here, and many watchers caught on.😢
@@RemedieX I agree that it all seems very obvious in this video, and I'd definitely want to see more after this. Which I bet admins have done and he got what he deserved. But then again, try to put yourself in his position. You've worked years and years and spent thousands of hours to perfect a game and make it to a significant level. Never cheated for a second in your life. And you end up having one "unlucky" super-lucky game and everyone scream CHEATER and get you banned. All your hours down the drain, for a few coincidences. I'm sure you yourself would be outraged if you got banned based on two maps and would be calling for justice. Just that no one would even listen to for a second, as their decision has been made. THAT'S why I'm skeptical. If you'd upload all the replays you've ever played, I'm sure I could put together a very convincing highlight reel of "obvious" cheat situations. Anyway, just my way of thinking in these extreme times where everybody is way too quick to judge and burn people to the ground.
Cheaters should legit be jailed. They intentionally waste people's time and perform fraud and both those things are legally punishable concepts in most countries.
cs2 not having a working anticheat is ridiculous and i cant understand how the celebrities and professionals are so silent about this. no one demands anything. its just all fine to them. f em all.
name me just FIVE pro players who are outspoken critics against valves cheating policies. only one i have seen is smooya, and he is without a team right now so he doesnt really count. i am listening.@@alexandrunacu2663
A lot of them cheat themselves, just like in 1.6. I find it ridiculous that now everyone knows most pros cheated in 1.6 but they think none of them cheat now. It's such delusion. And this silence is only confirmation of that.
he definitely (in my eyes) was cheating but the fact that it's a demo review rather than anything concrete doesn't sit right with me. As soon as you start leaving these things to subjective means it suddenly adds a layer of ambiguity as the conclusion may be wrong. All of these instances can be explained by lucky timing or misaligned crosshair (human error). even though it seems so obvious in this video, every single one of us will have clips in games a bit like this even if they're more spread out.
he's probably cheating but most of these can be easily explained (some are just blatant though). his crosshair placement and peeks, like you said, are lazy and tbh very nooby. he skips certain common angles or lazily clears them as if he knows no one is there as well as clearing angles where enemies can't possibly be. his surrounding skills do not line up with his level of "gamesense". 0:00 - common T side play with gun advantage on Ancient is to simply execute A because when enemies don't have guns, there are no untradeable AWP angles and the possibility for retake with pistols and no util is very low. CT's know this and stack A as their eco play. reason they are walking the whole time in A main is because even if enemies are going B, their only chance at really winning the round is if the enemies are going A, so they're gambling that it is a slow A or that there is a lurker and they can get a gun (gambling is common on ecos). as for his weird crosshair placement near the end, there is a concept that I will refer to as "the C method" where enemies positions can be assumed to always be in a C formation (like literally draw a C on the map), otherwise there will be a gap (or a very long rotation) in the formation. generally this concept is used against CT's, but when T's have gun advantage on Ancient, it is sort of the same situation where T's are just defending extremities. so when bomb plant goes down and CT's house player hears 2 in cave, Consss assuming that there will not be a lurker on right side A main is a normal assumption. 0:24 - i honestly don't think the way he defended A was suspicious at all. this is pretty much standard. for reasons stated earlier, A take is very tedious for T's when CT's are playing this way. 0:57 - if you look at radar, it seems his teammate got a kill just before from cat and recently looked bottom mid, so there's not really a reason to be worried about a close peek. he's probably looking at radar. 1:24 - he's not suspicious until he pushes A main. his team has a lot of control B side and they're already allocating their people to B side. basically, best case scenario for CT's right now is that T's push B main. enemies will most likely be walking into a slaughter. Consss would normally be throwing by pushing A main since, if he dies, enemies get A for free and teammates are miles away. with the amount of info his teammates have everywhere else on the map, it kind of leaves A main as the only option for T's. so this is a stupid push, i'd rather advocate for something like hold a cheeky angle and let team retake A with all the control they have. also the way his team overrotated this to B makes me think that his team knows he is cheating. when he's pushing deeper A main, he stops to see if the enemy will peek into him, but instead the enemy goes the other way, then he continues with the push. this is very blatant. and then the double clear behind him A main is the most telling. i could probably explain future rounds but you can tell he's cheating just based on 1:24 alone. this is generally how cheating is done at higher levels. cheaters go more blatant on make or break rounds such as round 9, where if they lose, their economy will be in shambles.
4:58 his teammate was right under silo and looking up wich would mean that the teammate heard him or that the teammate said he might be up there, this is why demo's need voice becuase of sutiations like this
Would definitely be helpful to get the teamspeek as well I agree! :) You think he's cheating or not? There were many super sus situations - some not included in the video.
It's how he plays A-main on Ancient so perfectly that convinces me. I agree with nacuz here that the Nuke clips wouldn't convince me.@@kwispyCS I went back to see if his teammates did anything different on the two awp holds to justify his different play and his teammates are in the exact same set-ups. Everything he did at A-main is sus. Nuke I didn't have enough data points on, although seeing how similar the redbox and clear behind him clip is to the a-main deagle clip, pretty blatant.
He's doing a lot of mistakes hiding his cheats on Nuke. At one point he's ducking and takes aim at an enemy that is about to strafe out. His mistake is that he pre-aim's the edge of the wall where the enemy is hiding behind, and then sees him about to rush out so he ducks and takes aim before the enemy is visible. He basically knows that there will be a confrontation a split second before it happens in many cases.
There is some rounds where you can argue it was game sense but the fact that everytime someone would aproach the area he was looking and falls back or moves forward on the perfect timing when they pass him is def signal of cheating, not even game sense can do that
@@MrKalleUrbanKalle Ofcourse it stands for ESL pro league. In this case "pro" is not what the defenition pro is. A pro is someone who earns money from playing and FPL, EPL etc does not mean you make money from it. Infact here is the defention "a person engaged in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime."
Bro cleared the right side cubby of A long at 1:41 into the match LMAO BRO!!! You're a "Pro" and you fake peek with that timing? If someone was to be there, they would have had to sprint
Wallhacks used to only work when the enemy was close to you as the game unloaded anything that wasn't close and the server didn't send position data to your client if you werent close to said enemy. Is that all just gone in CS2? Do you always get position data?
I'm certainly not gonna pretend to be an expert on exactly how cheats work, but I don't think that's the case. Not sure it was in CSGO either. I've seen videos a while back with high level cheaters talking about how it's easily possible with hardware to basically see everyone on the minimap as you normally can with your teammates even on faceit etc. without getting detected :(
@@kwispyCS Both of you are somewhat correct here. I (shamefully) used to make CSGO cheats when I was broke because there was good money in it, and while the game doesn't just broadcast the position of every player to every client all the time, the range at which you are able to get player position data is pretty far. I haven't played CS2 but for example on Mirage in CSGO, if you're holding B from bench you wouldn't see anyone pushing until they made it to about kitchen/underpass area. This is early enough to reposition before the enemies have a chance at seeing you, and make a callout to your teammates. You can also tell if there is a player carrying bomb to know if the push is fake or not. The way this range is determined isn't some set distance, it varies based on map layout. Essentially the game will not tell you anything about a player if the server is 100% confident you cannot interact with that player, so on a more open map like Cobblestone wall hacks generally work more effectively.
@@Very_Questionable What are you even trying to say? Tons of unrendered objects are still involved in physics interactions, so they must have position data?
@@tidepool5400 not really, position data is stored on the server, so unless it's for footsteps then the server doesn't really need to send anything to the client.
3:28 bro did the “OH IM SHOCKED THEY ARE THERE” and shaked his mouse has if it was a real reaction or sum. Very overused try by cheaters Thats also common. Really obvious Hes cheating
So pathetic and sad, this is why I despise cheaters they are ready to use any advantage to beat other players How can you even be proud of your achievements if you clearly know that you aren't legit at all
bro, these are just a different kind of people, you will never understand them. People of this type also tend to betray, steal, and cheat in everyday life.
he's got the aim of a 14k elo premier player . . . duh he's cheating his movement and shit is bad, he's just good enough to convince stupid people he isn't cheating. I'd have to see more of his "competitive" games if I were to hand out a ban tho, as just 6 minutes or 2 games isn't enough to conclude diffinitively, but if he is cheating and we could see more of his games, we'd know because his gameplay would either change wildly in playstyle and aim OR it WOULDN'T and either way we'd know if he was cheating in these specific games. Definately seems like blatant walls.
I would love to see the comms between players. In case they tell informations that we don't know. Specially on Nuke! Because they were 2 outside, and people inside can ear everything outside. It's easy to call cheats, but you should look your own review of your own game. You can be fishy too, even if you don't hack. Aiming at people's head is common because your crosshair is always at head level, in high rank. I was a good lurker, I catch people off-guard every time with my good timing, does that mean I cheat?
1 or 2 times it could be coincidence, but his reaction to the "knowledge" is giving it away really. The flash at nuke really sold me. There was no way for him to panic. The molly he throws without clearing and then the flash without cues he panics and falls back? There is no way really.
I saw someone else comment that he was the IGL. Imagine how impactful all that information can be when you are calling the shots for your team. For me the most telling thing is the lazy angle clear while rushing a main on Ancient. It's not even possible for an enemy to have been there. That tells me that has made it a habit to clear angles he knows no one is on, but only when it's safe for him to do so. I'll bet if someone did a thorough review of his games that person would probably find that he always "guesses" correctly when he has to decide between two angles to clear.
How can you have all this information and still be bad at a game? Blows my mind. You see someone coming at the perfect angle, and you completely drop the ball because they are actually locked tf in, because they think they are up against genuine professionals. Surely not someone who snuck onto the stage.
Honestly the first half of clips are all debatable and leave it up to what was possibly going through his head at the time. The Nuke ones are the most solid evidence honestly
His decision making makes it extremely blatant. Pushing when he knows it's clear, pulling back to a better angle when he sees them coming. I mean come on.
That's why people like him have to use cheats in the first place.. that's how bad they really are. You know he's dogshit, when he's even bad while cheating.
and the round prior he kept randomly clearing behind him in that exact spot but since no one pushed in a main this time he never once turned around lol
There should be standard computers that are 3rd party checked at main events. No bringing your own stuff, locked towers and locked usb ports. Doesn't this seem like common sense?
The first nuke clip is really telling because he is reacting to info that he shouldn't know. If he decided to back off, why throw the flash? That's something you'd do if you heard a sound because your plan got updated with new info. If he heard them, it would make sense. But he abandoned his strategy of flashing and peeking because he got info that a normal player wouldn't have access to.
It's always funny watching someone cheat because you can just tell they aren't as good as the people they're playing against; they really really aren't.
This guy's 100% hacking but lots of ppl are bad at the game and dont know how to clear stuff and preaim properly. That's already sus when you dont clear stuff but they just don't know HOW to clear the stuff. But then paired with bad gamesense, good luck and good timing it makes them look like they are hacking even when they are not. (They are just bad) Almost every sus thing in this demo could be considered to make him a bad player. But again this guys 100% hacking.
Sad part about cheating is that not everyone who is bad does it (sometimes eventually), but because some people feel the pressure to be at the top of the list of the players, but that also shatters any legitimacy to your own skill I would never do it, I would exit E-sports before I would stoop to cheating, especially at the event. That's bad man.
That’s really not unrealistic, rescoping will make noise. The bigger giveaway is him perfectly moving up so he’s not seen when they move up. As a former cheater back in the day myself, the timing of movement when the enemies aren’t heard is one of the most overlooked aspects when spectating. If it’s being done consistently or always seems to be perfect when the round is important it is a dead giveaway even if they otherwise look clean.
One thing I've noticed from watching people with wallhacks is that they always stretch their gameplay unnecessarily in many situations and then proceed to forget to look at some rather obvious spots. Odd enough that he risked this type of stuff in a tournament when his face etc. is known to the CS2 community. Getting kicked out by being shit would've been a much easier solution for him.
2:50 is pure classic of wallhack fail. This is how I knew the top tarkov streamer was cheating but when I posted the clip on reddit they've deleted it and banned me. He's still playing.
Yes, this guy is hacking his tits off, he can deny it all he wants everyone with an intermediate skill in bomb plant FPS understands what he is doing. I have seen a bunch of people doing shit like this against us in cod4 promod 15 years ago. When you have game sense and you understand logic behind the plays you and others make it's blatant as fuck. The lazy clears always are a obvious thing. Also I find their mouse movement to be absurd, like at 2:40 in this video. If you want to hold that spot you will either be preaimed at the edge of the pillar, keep you mouse still and strafe to check it every 5 seconds or passively hold the position to maintain the space you have gained. At some point, after x amount of time is left in the round or you get high agro comms from the other site from your team you might push but not like this when every time you hit a miracle timing.
It becomes more obvious when at that level most people spend so much time clearing every angle and having good crosshair placement for every angle, this guy being a "pro" and not doing the basics was already a red flag from the start
That shitty flash on nuke was the biggest giveaway imo, with just this video alone I wouldn't know for sure 100% he's cheating but I would say 99% chance yes he is lol
2:54 he just casually picks while having the target in the crosshair all the time.. Then he doesn't take the shot to not make it obvious which made him look even worse..
4:10 when you say no sound que, you can hear the ladder, i used to play high volume on go but not played much of CS2 so i dont know if its a demo thing but its possibly still info if its not a demo bug. I'm not sticking up for the guy but to me that's the only real issue i saw with this video
1:15 i believe the guy he saw mid would still be showing on the mini map and as he has a team mate top mid, he could be giving info to his team mate as there is no sound to indicate a rush so looking in blank space is low level but plausible , I'm only commenting on some points that can be explainable and I'm watching a second time to make sure I didn't miss points
Well the fact that he is not peeking the AWP that gave away position and defenseless at the moment at silo in the last round and instead checking behind really sold it to me.
I'm not even a CS player but damn watching this was so much fun. He's 100% cheating. Gonna sub and hope to watch more vids like this. Keep it going mate. GG vid right there
this newer generation of CS players is just sad. Idk if they have some sort of mental disability’s or what. but it’s like they have to hack in order to be able to play and even with hacks, they’re still terrible.
The best way to tell if someone is cheating is if they have god tier aim, but no game sense what so ever or what you would expect someone to have at the level they are playing at or if they consistently play in a way that is convinient for them and reacting to no sound ques at all.
By the way this is a good analaysis video because most people dont understand the signs that a cheater has that a normal player does not. Playing at the top level you make choices and they arent always the right ones, but its apart of being dynamic and constantly shifting up your decisions so you arent predictable. Cheaters always make the right calls on every round because they know where everyone is. You will never see them run to their death, push something they shouldnt, or get flanked unless they know the round is over n they want to hide it. A good player, regardless of how good he is, makes errors, he makes calls that dont pan out, but the reason hes a good player is more often then not he plays his position and call properly, and comes out ahead more often then not. Cheaters, always make the "right" decisions, its psychology of a person who knows where you are, they are always playing with the info in mind and it completely shows in how they move, where they move and why they move. They cant ignore the free information around them as much as they try.
A few of those plays I could pass off as just good timing or good luck but those nuke plays felt pretty blatant to me, especially the lack of clearing or care for any common angle coming off of red box. I dunno if he heard the guy climbing up silo or not but even still that one was pretty fishy too
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Imagine having this much of an information advantage and still getting smoked by legit chads
thats how you legit cheat; you have to throw in some bad plays in there to look legit while climbing the ranks.
@@dardabo3301 and he failed badly. too much pride to let someone shoot him in the back, not enough skill to hit the shot once he turns for no reason lmao. seen better cheating in mm he must be very confident that the anti-cheat won't get him
@@dardabo3301it’s not about throwing in some bad plays. Obvious or not, the guy did some moves to gain advantage and even though he managed to have some of his opponents with their backs turned he couldn’t hit some simple ass shots.The guy couldn’t aim to save his life.
maybe da legit chads got some infolockers of their own
"legit chads" With the way closet cheating is now day you can bet your ass a LOT of them are also cheating.
2:20 reaaaaally got me. He got so used to fake clearing, that he even clears angles when timing doesn't allow opponents to be there xd
LOL I know right?! Clears right side where no one could be but not left :D
Good find
AAHAHA I COMMENTED THE SAME thats a huge tell
Same, it's so obvious he has ESP activated. I wouldn't be surprise with CE you could flip a single byte and get the same aftermath ESP Cam but live. He aimed directly at his opponent without ever seeing him TWICE
Why he goes slowly when no one was there :)))?
Inconsistent clearing is already a 80% suspicious
Is it? I'm usually not checking every possible angle since it's kinda tiring to say at least
@@ropemantv Tired of clearing angles is a thing for all fps players but at a pro scene, it seems suspicious.
@@bekatang5128 Yeah, but even though i've watched this video till the end I'm not convinced
Based on his aim / etc he just can be worse than other players in lobby and some thing could just be luck idk
@@ropemantv It's just an 80% suspicious for me, the timing and all made it much more convincing he's suspicious
I agree. You can avoid clearing some spots but when you enter a space you should be clearing it the same every time(unless you have a good reason). None of the randomly checking behind you shenanigans.
The way he was aiming through the wall on Ancient with his Deagle instead of holding the corridor is all the proof you could ever want. People who're genuine don't play like that.
not really, i do it a lot too when im preparing to peek a certain position, and if he clears the angle he knows that its not possible someone will come right up to him in the next 5 seconds
but you can see he is a gold nova player, terrible crosshair placement, aim and movement
@@blitzsieg except his timing is 100% perfect whenever he wants to make the push and peek
then noone is genuine in cs2 you mean. worst commmunity in gaming ever.
@@GuraGuraSSJ i didnt watch the whole vid but ancient clips is 0 proof of cheating
That one player on your team : "He's just really good dude"
He was actually pretty bad though surprisingly. No idea how this guy got on a professional team. Even I have better aim and preaim (not the WH-preaim ofc xD)
@@monopoly5496 Seems like he is trying to hide it but it just gives it away even more. He is probably a fine player without cheats but obviously not good enough to qualify for EPL without cheats :D Was very obvious and sad to see.
@@monopoly5496 He is horrible at hiding it but since he's also very bad, i guess nobody really bothered to pay close attention, not even his teammates.
If i had to take a blind guess as of how he got picked, most such mixed teams don't have an igl and he probably "sacrificed" himself and they thought he has "good awareness". I feel bad for his teammates tho as some of them are trying to make a career (Python, kwertz)
But instead hes horrible
Usually nickname this kind of teammate the cuck of the team. Bonus points if he gives compliments to a toxic teammate because he don't want them to leave
Honestly, I think it’s so difficult to hide it if you’re walling. It’s so much information to process at once:
- the enemy team positions
- where it would be normal to hold/clear
- what amount of time would be normal for someone without walls to hold an angle
- where the enemy team is moving + their strategy
- and finally keeping calm so you’ve good aim when you see more than 1 coming towards you but you could possibly only reasonably expect there to only be 1 enemy
I can’t imagine how anyone could convincingly hide the fact that they’re walling, especially in a demo replay
Right? It's just easier to play legit, lol
true but all you have to do is ignore the esp kinda and use it as a faster reaction time i guess
Definitely way easier than you think, I got away with it for over year before I stopped. All you have to do is just fake a few deaths and be consistent with clearing angles.
My best guess is that he doesn’t cheat often enough to get used to playing with them. He looks like someone trying to hide walls who’s barely used them.
@@johnmoore1495 I get your point but it really depends on the level.
I would argue at a higher level it becomes harder because more and more people understand what is and isn’t feasible or normal the higher you go - all it takes is a POV review which would need to be instigated by something first
@@aidanr998 problem is they have to be incredibly sure to actually ban you though. One slip up isn’t going to get you banned. This dude got banned because there were so many examples and overall he played terrible on top of it.
Also even for the players who do cheat, it doesn’t mean they cheat every game or even the whole game. Back in the day Virtus Pro had a ton of sketchy online games. There was a stretch there where they were utterly terrible as a team having to face relegation in various leagues. However once they had to play their relegation matches, they seemingly could see the future, they played like a different team. The motivation for them to cheat in those situations is also incredibly high. Poland is a relatively poor nation (relative to developed nations) and getting relegated would be a massive hit to the players and the organization. (Obviously there was no definitive individual proof otherwise someone would’ve been banned but honestly I’m 99% they cheated in some of those relegation matches.)
I saw this live lmao and thought it was pretty blatant too. I’m sure EPL are basically 100% sure since they banned them don’t understand how players think they can get away with this but it’s really bad for the scene
Yeah I agree. They must be very sure and I can't say I disagree with them :) LOL
im at the point where im just going to uninstall cs and leave my inventory to die so they never get a steam fee from my items again XD
@@techhead-bedhead lmao. You could just sell it for cash
What was chat saying
@@techhead-bedhead dude im really poor would i be able to play with some skins?
Losing while cheating and getting your whole team banned has to be the saddest way to go out
😂😂😂
thing is the fact of how proud he is now to have banned the whole team with him. Clearly without his wall hack he is just regular guy cuz how bad he is even when in the back he gets downed. So I'm sure without it he wouldnt even play fps games and that fact goes for everyone doing it , nowadays people are to lazy to do a training like a regullar guy wanna be champion would do, of course buying/using a cheat is way more easy and shows us how 0 skill they have even WITH cheats on their system. I dont understand why they can make it so far without getting banned even way before the tournament. I think those who checks the reports on gamers are getting lazy also, what will come soon hopefully is a tool who checks your task manager before letting you in online on sessions and continously looks if you use 'aim assisted software' . until Microsoft and all the applications (steam,ubisoft,activision or whatever) don't use that cheaters will be unluckely staying in the top 1000 of all fps games. sullution is easy, just let gaming app's see your task manager and if your legit you can play online , ontherwise use cheats only on bots offline. I'm playing everyday different fps and from long ago and saw how the players evolved in the way of : Ooh I'm too much killed so I use/install some cheats so I'm making kills, hey there why not also when cheats detected put their internet on a 0,0000000001 kB speed so the world of gamers start thinking like ok if I'm detected I can say byebye to my internet (for the whole house and vpn doesn't change that fact) for 3 months. they agree to the confidentiality thing so why not push it in it that your home internet will be affected if cheats detected. This would be so wicked players would stop doing, and then a lot of streamers and pro players will leave the games with the excuse nah I'm stopping.
Honestly I think winning when your teammate was cheating and getting banned is even worse, like you actually think you won but then that happens lol
Dude the fact that he's Estonian just puts an extra sour feeling in my mouth since there's not that many in pro leagues. Shame.
eastern europooreans
yeah, estonian scene is pretty small and after this, every new talent will have it tough everyone second quessing.
The same happened to India, a country full of scammers and frauds, everyone had doubts and suspicions, then Indian team made it to pro league, everyone started throwing arguments that the whole scene was wrong about India, and few weeks later Forsaken got caught hacking and back to square one, good luck ever changing that stereotype about india in CS :D
@@BeowulfGamingAtleast you guys have Ropz
Well if they're all as bad as this kid, even with cheats on, then I think we all know why there aren't many of them in pro leagues.
it doesnt means that there no proffesionals players who just didnt want to join league
The way they pretend to be stupid annoys the F outta me.
And shows how messed up their moral compass is.
the way he tries to act surprised by moving his crosshair at 3:28 😂
@@jordanherrmann8051 I noticed the same thing. Bro be like "😱"
02:34 is probably the most blatant round of them all.
He is pushing A main 20 seconds into the round were he is not clearing A main for a possible lurker. At the same time on B site they know the bomb is B, and his teamm8 dies 25seconds into the round on B ramp. And slightly before this the mid guy is already rotating towards B. Because they are quite sure about this being B. Even so the A main guy is playing like they are atleast 2 players holding mid and A main. He even walks back "coincidentally" at the right timing when one of the two T players is checking A main for a push. After.. AFTER that there is a molly thrown in mid which we have no idea whether it was called out or not. This is when we know for sure there is at least one guy holding down mid. Even so this guy is playing like there's a second guy holding him down.. And then again, At the same time his team is going into a defensive position to hold off B, as they do know the bomb is B, and close to ramp.
So it's very obvious in this clip, out of many, that he is playing with somewhat more info aka cheating.
Let's not forget to mention how his crosshair placement is amazing when he is knowingly anticipating them, but it's also super lazy when he knows there's nobody close to him when he is doing something that would be considered an aggressive play.
Amen to that
I found the nuke outside plays to be the least blatant the most was defiantly the nuke flash
this is literally what 7/10 games from 10k premier and up look like.
More like 10/10
Tbh im lucky with premier. I was always gn4-ak2 and started playing again. I somehow have 15k points and most enemies are leggit. On wingman gn1-4 its 30% balant cheating. On mirage silver 2.yes silver 2 they either play like gods or are the worst noobs
made it to 18k without seeing much hacking, might be skill issue.
def not a skill issue, there are over 20 good cheat providers atm, half of them are undetectable. I'm not even watching demos anymore, they try to hide it and get to the top. from 15k it's filled with cheaters, played at 20k for a while and then outta nowhere 5 straight matches with cheaters, sometimes obvious, just killing everyone in the first 10 secs of the round
Cheating strike 2
Good analysis.. sad world we live in.
Thank you! :)
Totally agree ... wish it was possible to register with your ssn to play games and if you cheat you get banned from all games .. but that idea sounds like 1984 ... sad times indeed
@Mogambosa that's actually the best anticheat tbh. For eg, in Korea, they have to register through their SSN. I'd they get banned, they're done for. They either have to borrow a family member's SSN or buy one. But it's not as easy as making new email address. Hence, almost 0 cheaters. (This is in Sudden Attack game).
@@FONK6969 Honestly for games I'm all for it. First cos well games are mostly for recreation. Second it's not such an important part of the economy so abit of 1984 is ok with me for games. It'll make my games so much more enjoyable. I really cant stand ego ragmuffins when they get rekt so their rage takes over and ruins the game for everyone. Sad.
I dont understand why these big pro teams and tournaments dont make players sign a legal binding agreement that states if you are caught cheating you will be sued and fined. Actions should have consequences.
Totally agree. It's just like you're trying to steal something and getting caught has zero consequences. No wonder why people cheat. Many tournaments, in general, have prize pools and cheating in tournaments is just as bad as stealing.
2:20 hahaahaha cheaters do "clearing corners" instinctively, bro no Ts will ever come up to your right side that early why are you clearing it LMFAO
Yeah that was what convinced me. Had an argument about him with a friend ( we both Estonians) who isn't sure he was cheating. If he isn't then he is just a idiot who has no place in a pro team, average Sunday player would know there won't be a T there.
Rest of the clips could theoretically be just coincidence, which I'm not claiming btw
if you're clearing A main and you cleared BEHIND YOU TWICE, WITHOUT ANY SOUND. NO CT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD CHECK AGAIN, EVEN WORSE LITERALLY GO BACK INSTEAD OF FLANK LMAO@@chairpersonofthecharlotteh5646
It seems irrelevant to me anyway.
That last clip was the icing on the cake, no awper in the world would ever do a 180 scoped in like that.
That's what I was shocked at, and I don't even play this game. You wouldn't do that in any fps. You can really tell that this guy is shit at fps, and the cheats are carrying him.
But it could have been a callout from teammates, idk personally for me only the flash was really weird and the second tournaround A-Main (Ancient), the other stuff is not super blatant as this guy says, like stuff like pre-aim can be explained of habbits, teamcalls, gamesense or just beeing bad (not everybody is a niko) and positioning can be super super lucky so yeah... but i gotta say i didn't watched the games live, soo maybe there it would have been more clear.
Long story short i've he is cheating = deserved but blatant is something different to me. :)
@@F4bleFlame Anyone above 2500 can tell this guy have a unusual playstyle. Clearly walling.
I mean I would.... why wouldn't you, he cleared outside they smoked it the only other place they could be is behind you..
@@SlyFreakyLook at the amount of mouse movements he needed to do to turn around while scoped in. If you actually do this, stop.
the same guy has got a faceit account with 5k games on it. almost the same name same country and steamprofile name history. he got a vac ban on that and opened a new account 1 1/2 years ago :D
So he got game banned, not VAC banned. Valve also for whatever reason cleared him to compete again as a pro but because they don't reverse bans on accounts he was required to make a new one. It's the same name because it's the same guy.
This tournament had nothing to do with Valve. Not sure what world you live in "clearing" @@Lindeni
@@Lindeni LOL NONE CLEARED HIM .HE MADE HIMSELF SCREENS LOL YOU CRINGE AND DUMB
Yep, Olof called him out in the first nuke match LMAO
Imagine thinking you can hide cheating from the meister. ysh ysh ysh.
whats sad is there is probably many more closet cheating in low tier pros
Oh it’s littered with them. Most of them are good players but don’t quite have what it takes to make the big leagues so they cheat with the hopes of making it. Problem is if you make it, you’re still not good enough and now you’re going to be scrutinized because you have eyes on you.
if this guy is cheating then 50% of the playerbase is
2:23 a terrorist can DEFINITELY get there at the start of the round 🙄🙄 a cheater so used to prefending to clear angles he can’t use his brain
Summit1g said it best about this years ago:
"I'd be too paranoid to cheat in my streaming/ pro gaming career because eventually you're gonna slip up eventually down the road."
you can't fake legitimacy 100% of the time 24/7.
it will catch up with you the more eyes you garner especially during live streams or games that permit looking back at rounds.
you can claim your teammates gave you comms for only so long until people start analyzing all your clips.
Plus side of not cheating.... you can pull off the craziest luck shot in the world and have no care in the world who or what reports you ^^ because YOU KNOW YOU DONT CHEAT ^^ you dont have to defend yourself, you dont have to make up excuses, you can just be fucking happy with the once of a lifetime shot and celebrate ^^
That's not always true. There are many cheaters in the pro scene that have cheated but have not been officially confirmed cheating because lack of evidence. Flusha is one good example
Love this content with a good breakdown.
Some people don't understand what a bullshit clear looks like/not clearing at all from an enemy.
How an enemy clears or if they consistently don't clear is very telling.
Thank you bro - really appreciate that! :)
Hopefully you're already subbed! :D
It looked like he kept on getting sloppier as the matches went on. The biggest red flags though were his reactions to enemy movements when there were no visual or audio cues.
Upon seeing videos like this, I always think about how many cheaters in EPL are simply just better than him at hiding their cheats. This guy really only got caught because of his ESP... what about the ones that use a low FOV smooth assistance aimbot with chams instead of walls? Pretty much impossible to spot but gives a giant advantage.
It's this exact reason why remote tournaments should be retired. Force all competition matches to be in-person on provided equipment with fresh installs without internet or thumbdrive access. And even then I'd still be suspicious just given how ubiquitous cheats are these days.
@@AK-cr5pe there where some cheats that can be on the mouse components if I remember correctly, how would that be detected?
@@MM-qy7siif a mouse or keyboard is somehow enabling a wallhack or aimbot there’s no way to do it without it interacting with the game which could easily be detectable in system logs of the computer if someone were to go looking for it. Macros and recoil control can be done without actually interacting with the game, but those aren’t very useful at the professional level.
@@johnmoore1495 you talk about something you have no clue about
As someone who has preformed in semi-pros over the years off and on, it's typically half of the teams every tournament who are found with 1-2 cheaters on their teams. Back in 2019 in Rainbow 6 Siege there was only 3 legitimate teams out of the 16 who were competing, and two of those teams even attempted to bring actual pro league players on their team by using alt accounts. The best part was the pro's weren't even registered on the team rosters, so they illegally joined the tournament, and all prize money winnings at the end of the tournament were withheld from all of the players who actually won fairly due to the fact that 90% of the players competing were disqualified or found cheating.
Sadly this is a very normal thing to occur in Semi-Pros and even Pro comps, and is why I stepped back from competing myself, because there is nothing worse than competing for money that you'll never get all because people get your tournaments canceled. Imagine training daily for months for a tourn, you get in, you make it to 1st place despite cheaters and what-not, yet the organizers pull the prize money and leave you with nothing at all. Absolutely ruins esports and any drive to be competitive anymore.
Either incredible combination of timing and luck, or cheats. I bet on the latter. His actions looked way too deliberate. Especially those site clears and not clearing certain angles is just a big nono, especially at that level of play. Like you can tell he has no fear going into the clearing of those, while, you can see most people being really thorough even on empty sites, just to make sure they won't be surprised by something stupid. x)
Yea, thanks for even considering he might not cheat and not mindlessly joining a witch hunt - as in hindsight it is extremely easy to connect the dots and say "it's obvious", when in reality even on noob level there's probably a dozen of accidental crosshair lineups and weird turnarounds per match that look like cheating when reviewing. Especially when it's based on two maps only. Then again, I share your opinion here, all looking very deliberate. I'd definitely be suspicious and watch more material (which I suppose admins have done, but not the quick-to-judge bandwaggon crowd on youtube).
@@roecentauri There is such thing as being too skeptical. I find this video to be enough. The consistency and amount of timings, lazy clearing (bc he had no fear knowing no one was there), used to fake clearing so much that he does so even when enemies couldn't quite literally possibly be at angles he clears (which in itself is suspicious), and VERY unorthodox decisions as a reaction to info he shouldn't have are at a levels of unlikeliness to happen in such a short amount of time that you may just have a higher chance of winning the lotto.
I'm sure more footage was reviewed, but he wasn't subtle with it at all here, and many watchers caught on.😢
@@RemedieX I agree that it all seems very obvious in this video, and I'd definitely want to see more after this. Which I bet admins have done and he got what he deserved.
But then again, try to put yourself in his position. You've worked years and years and spent thousands of hours to perfect a game and make it to a significant level. Never cheated for a second in your life. And you end up having one "unlucky" super-lucky game and everyone scream CHEATER and get you banned. All your hours down the drain, for a few coincidences. I'm sure you yourself would be outraged if you got banned based on two maps and would be calling for justice. Just that no one would even listen to for a second, as their decision has been made.
THAT'S why I'm skeptical. If you'd upload all the replays you've ever played, I'm sure I could put together a very convincing highlight reel of "obvious" cheat situations.
Anyway, just my way of thinking in these extreme times where everybody is way too quick to judge and burn people to the ground.
Cheaters should legit be jailed. They intentionally waste people's time and perform fraud and both those things are legally punishable concepts in most countries.
cs2 not having a working anticheat is ridiculous and i cant understand how the celebrities and professionals are so silent about this. no one demands anything. its just all fine to them. f em all.
they all have cheats
Csgo didnt have a working one either. Its up to tournament organizers to solve
everybody is talking about this, not sure what you are watching :)) this is the most popular topic in CS2 :D
name me just FIVE pro players who are outspoken critics against valves cheating policies. only one i have seen is smooya, and he is without a team right now so he doesnt really count. i am listening.@@alexandrunacu2663
A lot of them cheat themselves, just like in 1.6. I find it ridiculous that now everyone knows most pros cheated in 1.6 but they think none of them cheat now. It's such delusion. And this silence is only confirmation of that.
2:03 the way he checked xD he was 200% ready to fight in that moment haha
A player who doesn't even know how the basics of CS work will suck at cheating and will make him sus even more.
Dude lives up to his name... He's a con.
What kind of cheats is this, when u lose most of the time😂😂😂😂😂
im not that high of a raiting player or a high elo on faceit but be fr even i can see how bad this guy is
he definitely (in my eyes) was cheating but the fact that it's a demo review rather than anything concrete doesn't sit right with me. As soon as you start leaving these things to subjective means it suddenly adds a layer of ambiguity as the conclusion may be wrong. All of these instances can be explained by lucky timing or misaligned crosshair (human error). even though it seems so obvious in this video, every single one of us will have clips in games a bit like this even if they're more spread out.
this may be a fairly cut and dried case but say someone who hides it even 50% better comes along, what do you do then?
he's probably cheating but most of these can be easily explained (some are just blatant though). his crosshair placement and peeks, like you said, are lazy and tbh very nooby. he skips certain common angles or lazily clears them as if he knows no one is there as well as clearing angles where enemies can't possibly be. his surrounding skills do not line up with his level of "gamesense".
0:00 - common T side play with gun advantage on Ancient is to simply execute A because when enemies don't have guns, there are no untradeable AWP angles and the possibility for retake with pistols and no util is very low. CT's know this and stack A as their eco play. reason they are walking the whole time in A main is because even if enemies are going B, their only chance at really winning the round is if the enemies are going A, so they're gambling that it is a slow A or that there is a lurker and they can get a gun (gambling is common on ecos). as for his weird crosshair placement near the end, there is a concept that I will refer to as "the C method" where enemies positions can be assumed to always be in a C formation (like literally draw a C on the map), otherwise there will be a gap (or a very long rotation) in the formation. generally this concept is used against CT's, but when T's have gun advantage on Ancient, it is sort of the same situation where T's are just defending extremities. so when bomb plant goes down and CT's house player hears 2 in cave, Consss assuming that there will not be a lurker on right side A main is a normal assumption.
0:24 - i honestly don't think the way he defended A was suspicious at all. this is pretty much standard. for reasons stated earlier, A take is very tedious for T's when CT's are playing this way.
0:57 - if you look at radar, it seems his teammate got a kill just before from cat and recently looked bottom mid, so there's not really a reason to be worried about a close peek. he's probably looking at radar.
1:24 - he's not suspicious until he pushes A main. his team has a lot of control B side and they're already allocating their people to B side. basically, best case scenario for CT's right now is that T's push B main. enemies will most likely be walking into a slaughter. Consss would normally be throwing by pushing A main since, if he dies, enemies get A for free and teammates are miles away. with the amount of info his teammates have everywhere else on the map, it kind of leaves A main as the only option for T's. so this is a stupid push, i'd rather advocate for something like hold a cheeky angle and let team retake A with all the control they have. also the way his team overrotated this to B makes me think that his team knows he is cheating. when he's pushing deeper A main, he stops to see if the enemy will peek into him, but instead the enemy goes the other way, then he continues with the push. this is very blatant. and then the double clear behind him A main is the most telling.
i could probably explain future rounds but you can tell he's cheating just based on 1:24 alone. this is generally how cheating is done at higher levels. cheaters go more blatant on make or break rounds such as round 9, where if they lose, their economy will be in shambles.
3:31 how he became an e sport player with this crosshair placement and that aim even ı am better than him bruh
would love if you looked into Pera Esports, those 2 maps against Guild Eagles are suspicious af
thanks for getting into the vid right away, making your points and not talking fluff. big ups
Of course brother! :)
And thank you!
4:58 his teammate was right under silo and looking up wich would mean that the teammate heard him or that the teammate said he might be up there, this is why demo's need voice becuase of sutiations like this
Would definitely be helpful to get the teamspeek as well I agree! :)
You think he's cheating or not? There were many super sus situations - some not included in the video.
It's how he plays A-main on Ancient so perfectly that convinces me. I agree with nacuz here that the Nuke clips wouldn't convince me.@@kwispyCS I went back to see if his teammates did anything different on the two awp holds to justify his different play and his teammates are in the exact same set-ups. Everything he did at A-main is sus. Nuke I didn't have enough data points on, although seeing how similar the redbox and clear behind him clip is to the a-main deagle clip, pretty blatant.
He's doing a lot of mistakes hiding his cheats on Nuke. At one point he's ducking and takes aim at an enemy that is about to strafe out. His mistake is that he pre-aim's the edge of the wall where the enemy is hiding behind, and then sees him about to rush out so he ducks and takes aim before the enemy is visible. He basically knows that there will be a confrontation a split second before it happens in many cases.
There is some rounds where you can argue it was game sense but the fact that everytime someone would aproach the area he was looking and falls back or moves forward on the perfect timing when they pass him is def signal of cheating, not even game sense can do that
Pretty hard to take professional CS seriously anymore when sh!t like this pops up every now and then
This is not "professional CS". Have you seen any of the actual pro teams getting any players banned?
@@hakanflyman25what does EPL stand for?
@@MrKalleUrbanKalle Ofcourse it stands for ESL pro league. In this case "pro" is not what the defenition pro is. A pro is someone who earns money from playing and FPL, EPL etc does not mean you make money from it. Infact here is the defention "a person engaged in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime."
@@hakanflyman25 it stands for European Pro League. I rest my case
@@MrKalleUrbanKalle And what the EPL name stands for is your comeback on being a professional or not? I rest my case.
Bro cleared the right side cubby of A long at 1:41 into the match LMAO BRO!!! You're a "Pro" and you fake peek with that timing? If someone was to be there, they would have had to sprint
Yeah that felt like a huge giveaway to me as well lol
Wallhacks used to only work when the enemy was close to you as the game unloaded anything that wasn't close and the server didn't send position data to your client if you werent close to said enemy. Is that all just gone in CS2? Do you always get position data?
I'm certainly not gonna pretend to be an expert on exactly how cheats work, but I don't think that's the case. Not sure it was in CSGO either. I've seen videos a while back with high level cheaters talking about how it's easily possible with hardware to basically see everyone on the minimap as you normally can with your teammates even on faceit etc. without getting detected :(
@@kwispyCS Both of you are somewhat correct here. I (shamefully) used to make CSGO cheats when I was broke because there was good money in it, and while the game doesn't just broadcast the position of every player to every client all the time, the range at which you are able to get player position data is pretty far. I haven't played CS2 but for example on Mirage in CSGO, if you're holding B from bench you wouldn't see anyone pushing until they made it to about kitchen/underpass area. This is early enough to reposition before the enemies have a chance at seeing you, and make a callout to your teammates. You can also tell if there is a player carrying bomb to know if the push is fake or not. The way this range is determined isn't some set distance, it varies based on map layout. Essentially the game will not tell you anything about a player if the server is 100% confident you cannot interact with that player, so on a more open map like Cobblestone wall hacks generally work more effectively.
It's not really that, but rather areas that are unrendered don't have position data.
@@Very_Questionable What are you even trying to say? Tons of unrendered objects are still involved in physics interactions, so they must have position data?
@@tidepool5400 not really, position data is stored on the server, so unless it's for footsteps then the server doesn't really need to send anything to the client.
3:28 bro did the “OH IM SHOCKED THEY ARE THERE” and shaked his mouse has if it was a real reaction or sum. Very overused try by cheaters Thats also common. Really obvious Hes cheating
That's what I though too lmfao
So pathetic and sad, this is why I despise cheaters they are ready to use any advantage to beat other players
How can you even be proud of your achievements if you clearly know that you aren't legit at all
bro, these are just a different kind of people, you will never understand them. People of this type also tend to betray, steal, and cheat in everyday life.
You can tell this guy has never played high elo in his life with how he clears angles and peeks. Looks like a level 7.
more like level 5
he's got the aim of a 14k elo premier player . . . duh he's cheating his movement and shit is bad, he's just good enough to convince stupid people he isn't cheating. I'd have to see more of his "competitive" games if I were to hand out a ban tho, as just 6 minutes or 2 games isn't enough to conclude diffinitively, but if he is cheating and we could see more of his games, we'd know because his gameplay would either change wildly in playstyle and aim OR it WOULDN'T and either way we'd know if he was cheating in these specific games. Definately seems like blatant walls.
Nah even just the Ancient game alone is more than enough to be 100% certain he's walling
Not behaving the same way at the same spot is like asking to be reviewed and suspicious enough
I would love to see the comms between players. In case they tell informations that we don't know. Specially on Nuke! Because they were 2 outside, and people inside can ear everything outside. It's easy to call cheats, but you should look your own review of your own game. You can be fishy too, even if you don't hack. Aiming at people's head is common because your crosshair is always at head level, in high rank. I was a good lurker, I catch people off-guard every time with my good timing, does that mean I cheat?
people inside can tell you about them crossing, but never about them trespassing smoke. not even for a single second he started aiming at secret. Lol
Does smoke block sound now? 😂😂@@Malam_NightYoru
@@madbruv they crossed with Shift walking?
He killed two people through the smoke@@Malam_NightYoru
@@waincz lol
1 or 2 times it could be coincidence, but his reaction to the "knowledge" is giving it away really. The flash at nuke really sold me. There was no way for him to panic. The molly he throws without clearing and then the flash without cues he panics and falls back? There is no way really.
He isn't even that good i wouldn't have thought he was cheating
guns made to be inaccurate = bad player 😂
I saw someone else comment that he was the IGL. Imagine how impactful all that information can be when you are calling the shots for your team.
For me the most telling thing is the lazy angle clear while rushing a main on Ancient. It's not even possible for an enemy to have been there. That tells me that has made it a habit to clear angles he knows no one is on, but only when it's safe for him to do so.
I'll bet if someone did a thorough review of his games that person would probably find that he always "guesses" correctly when he has to decide between two angles to clear.
@@7opher619 thats true
How can you have all this information and still be bad at a game? Blows my mind. You see someone coming at the perfect angle, and you completely drop the ball because they are actually locked tf in, because they think they are up against genuine professionals. Surely not someone who snuck onto the stage.
Honestly the first half of clips are all debatable and leave it up to what was possibly going through his head at the time. The Nuke ones are the most solid evidence honestly
His decision making makes it extremely blatant. Pushing when he knows it's clear, pulling back to a better angle when he sees them coming. I mean come on.
How bad are they at hiding it
I know right? :D
That's why people like him have to use cheats in the first place.. that's how bad they really are. You know he's dogshit, when he's even bad while cheating.
Ego bro, it's not hard to cheat on lan but you gotta have gamesense
Forgive my ignorance but, at 2:53 onwards, doesnt it look like his 2 opponents also know where he is? They are directly looking at him too.
They're holding for a potential A push. IMO they're not doing the same strange things that he is doing and that's also just one scenario.
2:31 and 2:54 was when he was walling hard
the most evident round for me
and the round prior he kept randomly clearing behind him in that exact spot but since no one pushed in a main this time he never once turned around lol
There should be standard computers that are 3rd party checked at main events. No bringing your own stuff, locked towers and locked usb ports. Doesn't this seem like common sense?
totally, they could make sure noone cheats on lan or online if they really cared to.
sad times man
Yeah it's pretty absurd.
The real worry is whether any of these guys are getting away with it.
@@kwispyCS 30+ cheaters were banned in the MAJOR OPEN QUALIFIER.
Meaning at least 50+ went cheating without being banned.
why even clear right side on A main at 2:20, no way T's could get there at that time unheard right? looks like "Filler" clear.
Completely agree :D
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he's not a pro if he cheats. pros don't cheat. you can never truly get to that level doing so.
@@leovitss wrong
The first nuke clip is really telling because he is reacting to info that he shouldn't know. If he decided to back off, why throw the flash? That's something you'd do if you heard a sound because your plan got updated with new info. If he heard them, it would make sense. But he abandoned his strategy of flashing and peeking because he got info that a normal player wouldn't have access to.
Yeah agreed. Seemed blatant to me as well.
100% his lack of worry on t side to just push through site is crazy. Watching even I was like he doesn't clear that and I'm shit haha.
Also 3:31 why isnt he stopping when shooting? Is he nervous about the cheating? Makes no sense
Very nice, well analyzed video, I don't know how players think that can get away with this stuff especially in big tournaments
thanks for your work. i know a lot of cheaters are dipping in pro teams but nobody talks about.
This is interesting Wonderful_Y also got caught cheating "recently" which is his teammate in this match..
It's always funny watching someone cheat because you can just tell they aren't as good as the people they're playing against; they really really aren't.
This guy's 100% hacking but lots of ppl are bad at the game and dont know how to clear stuff and preaim properly. That's already sus when you dont clear stuff but they just don't know HOW to clear the stuff. But then paired with bad gamesense, good luck and good timing it makes them look like they are hacking even when they are not. (They are just bad) Almost every sus thing in this demo could be considered to make him a bad player. But again this guys 100% hacking.
Probably shouldn’t refer to him as a pro if he isn’t good enough to play fair. He is a cheat, not a pro.
You can never truly hide wallhacks as a cheater. That's the only reason this guy got exposed.
A Main holding when he only turned around when he knew someone had passed him was soooo blatant.
I wonder how many players have walls, but play inconspicuously
Sad part about cheating is that not everyone who is bad does it (sometimes eventually), but because some people feel the pressure to be at the top of the list of the players, but that also shatters any legitimacy to your own skill
I would never do it, I would exit E-sports before I would stoop to cheating, especially at the event.
That's bad man.
the last nuke clip is what sold me, he turns around fully while scoped in 😭
That’s really not unrealistic, rescoping will make noise. The bigger giveaway is him perfectly moving up so he’s not seen when they move up.
As a former cheater back in the day myself, the timing of movement when the enemies aren’t heard is one of the most overlooked aspects when spectating. If it’s being done consistently or always seems to be perfect when the round is important it is a dead giveaway even if they otherwise look clean.
One thing I've noticed from watching people with wallhacks is that they always stretch their gameplay unnecessarily in many situations and then proceed to forget to look at some rather obvious spots. Odd enough that he risked this type of stuff in a tournament when his face etc. is known to the CS2 community. Getting kicked out by being shit would've been a much easier solution for him.
If there is prize money, they should be arrested and prosecuted.This is getting out of hand .
175K views and not even a 1000 subs. Good stuff. Keep going.
It takes more energy to pretend to check all the corners that you know is clear than to actually play the game without cheating.
subbed love this type of vids, i know theres more pro cheaters out there keep exposing
Thanks brother - really appreciate it! :)
2:50 is pure classic of wallhack fail. This is how I knew the top tarkov streamer was cheating but when I posted the clip on reddit they've deleted it and banned me. He's still playing.
Yes, this guy is hacking his tits off, he can deny it all he wants everyone with an intermediate skill in bomb plant FPS understands what he is doing.
I have seen a bunch of people doing shit like this against us in cod4 promod 15 years ago. When you have game sense and you understand logic behind the plays you and others make it's blatant as fuck. The lazy clears always are a obvious thing. Also I find their mouse movement to be absurd, like at 2:40 in this video. If you want to hold that spot you will either be preaimed at the edge of the pillar, keep you mouse still and strafe to check it every 5 seconds or passively hold the position to maintain the space you have gained. At some point, after x amount of time is left in the round or you get high agro comms from the other site from your team you might push but not like this when every time you hit a miracle timing.
Whats truly sad is hes the IGL of 4 other players who were good enough to get to that level without cheating (maybe)
It becomes more obvious when at that level most people spend so much time clearing every angle and having good crosshair placement for every angle, this guy being a "pro" and not doing the basics was already a red flag from the start
Is there no hack to counter hacks? Such as ghost mode that doesn't allow enemy hackers from seeing you through walls?
That shitty flash on nuke was the biggest giveaway imo, with just this video alone I wouldn't know for sure 100% he's cheating but I would say 99% chance yes he is lol
2:49 it’s really clear as day after seeing that
dude's aim is snappy, judging by the aim only, def cheating, there is no way he can make it into a pro scene
Any pro player is going to have relatively snappy aiming, his aiming isn’t suspicious its just his movements and positioning
2:54 he just casually picks while having the target in the crosshair all the time.. Then he doesn't take the shot to not make it obvious which made him look even worse..
4:10 when you say no sound que, you can hear the ladder, i used to play high volume on go but not played much of CS2 so i dont know if its a demo thing but its possibly still info if its not a demo bug. I'm not sticking up for the guy but to me that's the only real issue i saw with this video
1:15 i believe the guy he saw mid would still be showing on the mini map and as he has a team mate top mid, he could be giving info to his team mate as there is no sound to indicate a rush so looking in blank space is low level but plausible , I'm only commenting on some points that can be explainable and I'm watching a second time to make sure I didn't miss points
everything other than my 2 points seem like pretty solid observations
Hope you do more videos like this, great work man ❤
Thanks brother, really appreciate it! :)
Even with cheats, he’s genuinely still ass at the game. No wonder he had to cheat
Well the fact that he is not peeking the AWP that gave away position and defenseless at the moment at silo in the last round and instead checking behind really sold it to me.
I'm not even a CS player but damn watching this was so much fun. He's 100% cheating. Gonna sub and hope to watch more vids like this. Keep it going mate. GG vid right there
Thanks for the sub brother! :)
this newer generation of CS players is just sad. Idk if they have some sort of mental disability’s or what. but it’s like they have to hack in order to be able to play and even with hacks, they’re still terrible.
There were cheaters 20 years ago too
03:29 look at his "excited omg I'm behind them spin with mouse"
The thing that makes it blatant is his AIM and chrosshair placments reminds off a noob , but he has game sense bether then all pros combined
The best way to tell if someone is cheating is if they have god tier aim, but no game sense what so ever or what you would expect someone to have at the level they are playing at or if they consistently play in a way that is convinient for them and reacting to no sound ques at all.
By the way this is a good analaysis video because most people dont understand the signs that a cheater has that a normal player does not.
Playing at the top level you make choices and they arent always the right ones, but its apart of being dynamic and constantly shifting up your decisions so you arent predictable.
Cheaters always make the right calls on every round because they know where everyone is.
You will never see them run to their death, push something they shouldnt, or get flanked unless they know the round is over n they want to hide it.
A good player, regardless of how good he is, makes errors, he makes calls that dont pan out, but the reason hes a good player is more often then not he plays his position and call properly, and comes out ahead more often then not.
Cheaters, always make the "right" decisions, its psychology of a person who knows where you are, they are always playing with the info in mind and it completely shows in how they move, where they move and why they move.
They cant ignore the free information around them as much as they try.
A few of those plays I could pass off as just good timing or good luck but those nuke plays felt pretty blatant to me, especially the lack of clearing or care for any common angle coming off of red box. I dunno if he heard the guy climbing up silo or not but even still that one was pretty fishy too