Go Kart Hauler Transformation!

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  • We build an epic show trailer to take to swap meets, car shows, and towing & recovery at our meetups! Today, the go kart trailer gets beautified with fenders, POR-15 rust preventative paint, a wooden bed with a nice, deep red stain, and old chrome bed strips from my 1966 Chevy C10! Then, we put the wagon on the trailer, hitch it up to the 550cc Cozy Coupe, and we pull it around!
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  • @CarsandCameras
    @CarsandCameras  4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Rat rod wagon and the Tot Rod. Name a better combo, I’ll wait😆

    • @untitled2792
      @untitled2792 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't, this duo's the best!

    • @richgallegos5807
      @richgallegos5807 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      John and Ike, there, I said it. You two work together well.

    • @Ev3Master803
      @Ev3Master803 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here is a good name suggestion. Tot Rod Hauler!

    • @michaelmccants3232
      @michaelmccants3232 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello

    • @Ameritude
      @Ameritude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The monster truck pulling the mini bikes in a trailer......

  • @TXH1138
    @TXH1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When I was a kid, a relative made a mini car, with no body, a bench seat and a Wisconsin V4 . He also made a trailer and mounted 4 old style metal lawn chairs on it. They had acreage and we could visit and pile all the kids on it and ride all day. So much fun.

  • @thegenerousdegenerate9395
    @thegenerousdegenerate9395 4 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Oh to be a neighbor of theirs... Lmao!
    Wife:
    "Honey?!... They're towing each other around with what looks like a lil tykes car pulling a wagon on a tiny trailer."
    Hubby:
    "Honestly babe... at this point, nothing really surprises me anymore."

    • @Astro80s
      @Astro80s 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @jacobsebastien3910
      @jacobsebastien3910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Shit wife would be always Mad at me because I would be helping them build every time I'm off of work Lol'

    • @thegenerousdegenerate9395
      @thegenerousdegenerate9395 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jacobsebastien3910 amen... I couldn't stay away.

    • @kirkjohnson8589
      @kirkjohnson8589 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol.

  • @seanhatfield4689
    @seanhatfield4689 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The tot rod has all of the axle flex....

    • @scottdoubleyou563
      @scottdoubleyou563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All of the axle flex, and then some. That can get really hairy, really quick.

    • @turnerjaime1
      @turnerjaime1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice

    • @vilsiran
      @vilsiran 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They really need to get the tires balanced

  • @MikeMac90
    @MikeMac90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Think some hook rings could be added just for that little added detail.

  • @davidconley3341
    @davidconley3341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    You should close the inside of the fender wells on the trailer...It would look a lot better.

    • @dockmasterted
      @dockmasterted 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      And it would also keep dirt and mud from being spun onto the trailers bed.

    • @jlucasound
      @jlucasound 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was checking to see if someone beat me to it. I am sure they would have reached the same conclusion. My vote is in. Cap 'em. Please? :-)

    • @cooper4783
      @cooper4783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was right about to say that

  • @focustuner10
    @focustuner10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A set of ramps that store in the trailer like a car trailer setup would be icing on the cake. Plus it will save your backs because you can just push broke down projects up the ramps instead of trying to pick it up.

  • @ollilehtonen6764
    @ollilehtonen6764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    You really need a stronger axle on the Tot Rod asap

    • @propellerheadsaerialphotog8072
      @propellerheadsaerialphotog8072 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      John, if you need convincing, watch that wheel during the burnout in slow motion. It gets progressively worse. At speed that thing will just let go.

  • @RobertSalamun
    @RobertSalamun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    D rings in trailer floor for ratchet straps!

  • @lifewithjonathan5277
    @lifewithjonathan5277 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the look of that trailer. I would put some rubber door trim on that fender. To keep people from cutting them selfs.

  • @dwaynecovey8964
    @dwaynecovey8964 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome job on the mini hauler trailer

  • @ThatOneGuy077
    @ThatOneGuy077 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this trailer. Now I say a wrecker made from either a cheap off-road kart or custom frame is in order. Whole deal the winch in the back, maybe some anchors to hold it still while winching in someone who really got stuck. A stinger to pick the rear end or front end up of broke down karts and tow them back to the camp. Be really cool to see what you guys come up with if you decide to do this.
    I forgot who I saw do it with a lawnmower he made for mudding and pulling out his other toys. that I thought was pretty sweet.

  • @Rocketman442-RC
    @Rocketman442-RC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think a very nice finishing touch would be some nice small scale D rings. Like the ones in the floor of a regular car hauler. Be perfect to use small ratchet straps to hold stuff down

  • @jadenrhines234
    @jadenrhines234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a yellow street legal golf cart revival would be cool!!

  • @Melw44
    @Melw44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Frst thing, the trailer turned out awesome. But if your uber driver shows up wearing a raceing helmet you might have a problem.😁😁

    • @StefanMArndt
      @StefanMArndt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wouldn't call that a problem. I'd say things just got interesting.

    • @michaelblacktree
      @michaelblacktree 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or you might have the best day ever! 😉

    • @darrenkastl8160
      @darrenkastl8160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd be running to get mine!!!

    • @aydanangus
      @aydanangus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Only a problem if he doesnt have a helmet for you.

  • @XLTJeff
    @XLTJeff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, like David Conley said finish off the backs of those fender wells and then weld some 1/4 inch cold roll on the outer edge of the fenders to give it a more finished look and also add strength and keep people from getting cut from those edges, Harbor Freight has D-ring tie downs you can put in the floor or you could put in some E-track for that extra special look and you might even put a rail around the outside of the trailer so if what ever you have on it happens to get loose that way it won't come off the trailer other than that excellent job keep up the good work , May all Your Burnouts be LONG and SMOKEY !!!!!!

  • @justinhobart8747
    @justinhobart8747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My trailer I built for my motorcycle would be perfect for that little guy, but I'm not selling it... it's a mini pickup truck bed made out of very hard impact plastic about 2 foot by 4 foot bed. It was a display unit for a bed liner outfit, I have yet to find another one. Put a frame underneath, with a cooler on the front... Looks Awesome! Everybody keeps wondering where I got it. It's small but it does the job, I pulled it all the way from Central Illinois to Nashville Tennessee with a 75 Kawasaki Z1 of all things without any hiccups.

  • @BUILDNIGHT
    @BUILDNIGHT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes! RECYCLE - RECYCLE - RECYCLE !!! Awesome trailer, guys!

  • @budd2018
    @budd2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I dont know what I'd think if I was driving by and saw them towing eachother around the yard like that.... lol

  • @crankysports
    @crankysports 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The boards will shrink as they dry, so keeping them closer together would probably be the better idea-they shouldn't shrink so much that they'll pull out from under the strips, but it could buckle a little as time goes on. That looks so sweet though, I love it

  • @mishabalch8169
    @mishabalch8169 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The boards need to have a grove routed into the edge to allow the chrome strips to recess down equal to their depth. Most loads should rest on the wood to prevent damage to items, but the chrome strips should be barely a millimeter or two recessed so that any loads that might gouge the wood will stop at the depth of the chrome strips. This method adds longevity to both the wood and the chrome strips.

  • @traedrose7963
    @traedrose7963 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    POR-15 is a great product. I've used it on several frames and floorboards. It will last FOREVER! Just don't get that stuff on your skin, it takes weeks to wear off.

  • @jzero32
    @jzero32 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is something terribly wrong with you guys ! LOVE IT ! You would fit right in with the bunch around here who's youngest member is 55 and oldest 84, NEVER let go of the kid in you or it will end you. Keep it up !!!

  • @ajaxvarble
    @ajaxvarble 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Still needs a baby rattle shifter;) love ya guys

  • @shanesaffel
    @shanesaffel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Weld some d ring brackets on the trailer for strapping down, add a hitch to the monster truck cart for mini mayhem

  • @leeprichard6124
    @leeprichard6124 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I Really enjoy the Cars & Cameras Channel and appreciate your efforts to provide us with such great details of the work you do getting all the builds & practical improvements into your shows, so id love to put some of your stickers onto some of my projects but I don't have any money ATM to buy them as im spending every spare cent working on getting my car&kart projects together.keep up the great work & when im more financially stable im definitely going to be buying some of your merchandise to help you to keep making the great videos that have been a real lifesaver for me by motivating me to invest my time into our great hobby and most of all by helping me with my mental health by giving me such a positive & creative way to channel, invest and express my love to build awesome Toys and radical machine's.
    THANK YOU CARS AND CAMERA'S

  • @ryan14r95
    @ryan14r95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thought they would take it through the drive through at a restaurant... would be a great video!

  • @lylekehrer6159
    @lylekehrer6159 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That fits together perfectly! Little kid stuff - the little tykes car plus the wagon... modified for big kids!

  • @mattsweitzer6098
    @mattsweitzer6098 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Maybe build a utility trailer so yall can keep this one for show?

  • @n3glv
    @n3glv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ike is clearly the faster painter. I recommend a couple layers of clear coat on those fenders. It sure looks great!

  • @hoofty37
    @hoofty37 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome project! Now you need to make a tow-kart out of a cherry picker (engine hoist) to haul broken/stuck karts out!

  • @kirbybrady3397
    @kirbybrady3397 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a set of D rings or something to hook color matching straps to would really help with the looks of it. It turned out awsome!

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So if this is just the trailer, when's the full feature coming out? :P

  • @johntaylor6340
    @johntaylor6340 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Looks awesome! Some D rings would look dope

  • @holdenrice9694
    @holdenrice9694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ya'll should build a rack to secure two minibikes side by side, maybe some fuel cans, and a toolbox on the trailer to take to races and stuff.

  • @t33rasse95
    @t33rasse95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Can you build some ramps

  • @kmnremtp
    @kmnremtp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Throw around 20 coats of poly on that wood n use it only for shows, build another for hauling broken toys at mini mayhem.

  • @jasonpetrich4141
    @jasonpetrich4141 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mabey a awesome lil tow truck with atv winch and flat bed with dually wheels !!! The trailer needs some d rings and lights to finish it ,so cool!!!!!!!!

  • @Watchyn_Yarwood
    @Watchyn_Yarwood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    POR 15 is an awesome product! I've been using it for many years.

  • @blackwyverngamingdamion_4787
    @blackwyverngamingdamion_4787 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That axle flex guys!!! Super amazing 👏👏👏 I imagine that's what my neighbors think when I pull the driftjeep out 😂

  • @scottiecasey9312
    @scottiecasey9312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude it's pretty awesome. You should put lights on the trailer. Just a small set that can b powerd with a small cell battery

  • @justinwells3544
    @justinwells3544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It needs some rear 1/4 fenders with mud flaps that mount to the trailer hitch so their removable, and so it doesn't trash what its pulling

  • @danf4616
    @danf4616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Tikes build has to be your best one yet! 👍👍👍

  • @MJackknife
    @MJackknife 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a rollback or tow truck go kart would be cool.

  • @jakeds84
    @jakeds84 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job guys. The kart hauler turned pretty awesome!

  • @TheBiggBert
    @TheBiggBert 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Am i the only one that closes my eyes and looks away when they wield?

    • @lylekehrer6159
      @lylekehrer6159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I even have to look away from the TV when a night club scene with strobing light comes on!

  • @jasonpetrich4141
    @jasonpetrich4141 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man so sick you guys!!!!!!! Your skills are proven!!!!! Now build the mini semi and trailer!!!!!!!!!! You gotta have one

  • @48vdcwrld
    @48vdcwrld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One Slick setup guys...

  • @dbomber69
    @dbomber69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should replace a bolt at each corner with an eye bolt so you have a tie down point for securing loads.

  • @chaselagger6830
    @chaselagger6830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys should make a mini semi truck and trailer. Like so they can see.

  • @sethcude
    @sethcude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Y’all done a great job,looks good.

  • @Buck1954
    @Buck1954 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The trailer needs the inner wheel well covers. You will get the wood muddy next to the wheel.

  • @josephdecesaro1528
    @josephdecesaro1528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So after reading thru the comments it seems "we the peanut gallery" think The Tot Rod needs a stronger axle, the trailer fenders need to be closed in, the trailer needs D-rings and ramps (maybe under storage for them). I'll throw another in the mix: the trailer needs a nose cone to protect what or who is on it from the burnout thrown rocks.

  • @eriklambert7427
    @eriklambert7427 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That trailer yall built for the rat rod looks FREAKING AMAZING!!!!! For real u guy's killed it man the red wood stain looks awesome also an it goes with the color on it too!!!

  • @hippydippy
    @hippydippy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing Work Men! Fun watching all the progress of both the Cozy & Trailer.

  • @tacticalrenegade327
    @tacticalrenegade327 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tie down points and drop down gate to drive up on the trailer would look awesome

  • @eladvanallen8282
    @eladvanallen8282 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    John man you are really doing some good work Buddy. that slow mo pan out fender cut shot was a thing of beauty!

  • @thesparkpplugmanyoutubecha4901
    @thesparkpplugmanyoutubecha4901 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Has anyone notice that these guys must be vary good friends they almost always do videos together

  • @skylarkovack2561
    @skylarkovack2561 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cozy coupe car train trailers for the kids!

  • @MoondyneJoe
    @MoondyneJoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great combo guys but you didn't give the trailer timber a coat of either boiled oil or poly to protect the timber (linsead over the metal won't hurt either) if you are going to do the job May as well spend a few minutes more now to make it last looking good for a long time.
    (: well done!
    Tony from Western Australia.

    • @XLTJeff
      @XLTJeff 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      put some Linseed oil in a garden sprayer and give the wood a good coat once or twice a year and it will be around forever

  • @trevornelson7524
    @trevornelson7524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now it needs a set of folding ramps :)

  • @billday7047
    @billday7047 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The trailer looks great.Put the L E D lights on it and it will be even better.

  • @davidowen888
    @davidowen888 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍you should put a brake on the trailer BOOM ! BURNOUTS ! 😁💨💨

  • @2wheelfeel93
    @2wheelfeel93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a beautiful trailer nice work send the blueprints lol

  • @westie4ageturbo.749
    @westie4ageturbo.749 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sooo.... your name is cars and cameras, your content is gocarts etc and the best thing you have built in a while is a trailer.... identity crisis anyone! Seriously it looks bloody great

  • @BatesAutomotive
    @BatesAutomotive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heck of a job👌 it almost looks better than the cozy cart!

  • @Vamp_Tepez
    @Vamp_Tepez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As soon as I saw the stain I laughed for some reason. I have a gallon of that stuff I use laying around

  • @firefighter3b
    @firefighter3b 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Need to bolt chrome tie downs, at least 6! On floor of trailer!

  • @whitcoleman318
    @whitcoleman318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think the rat rod wagon needs a engine w/ gears. Maybe like a blaster engine

  • @timmanley3734
    @timmanley3734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You need to finish it with inner fenders wells to give it the finished looks.

  • @mikewestervelt9440
    @mikewestervelt9440 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should put a hitch on the monster truck so you have multiple machines to tow the trailer!! 👌

  • @kimoarmstrong3519
    @kimoarmstrong3519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool looking tie down hooks on the trailer would be a plus. Also, if he held that burn out a little longer it would have been that much better of a video. But hey, what was Not to like in this video?

  • @alanwhitehurst2576
    @alanwhitehurst2576 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Guys truly amazing. Theme works well. Maybe you could carry on doing different themes eg..rally, nas car or fast and furious etc etc. Keep up the good work chaps. England, Manchester 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✌🏻

  • @quentinkave8442
    @quentinkave8442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    not to trash the trailer or anything but it needs safety chains d rings on the bed and lights
    very cool btw

  • @desmondmoonbear8149
    @desmondmoonbear8149 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys should build a custom camper for lil tike or the cross Kart

  • @patfrommaine1596
    @patfrommaine1596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My coffee table is that color. And its awesome

  • @jesseshanor4991
    @jesseshanor4991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should make a mini 60s Chevy truck to tow the trailer

  • @RicKustom
    @RicKustom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bolt in/weld some rings to the trailer for the tie downs, Awesome job on that wood bed. Really set it off!

  • @michaeltilley8882
    @michaeltilley8882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey good morning carsandcameras i enjoy show u host i love episode so cool nice have good day great job in bless day

  • @PatDavis-qg5no
    @PatDavis-qg5no 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Make a mini truck, put the diesel engine on it, and gear it for torque and you can pull heaps of stuff around

  • @stevereinhart4067
    @stevereinhart4067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those back tires are just flopping around, need that upgraded axel. Keep up the great work.

  • @kaptainkmann7808
    @kaptainkmann7808 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    perfect choice on the trailer bed guy's looks fantastic.

  • @bizzare6969
    @bizzare6969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about building a mini teardrop camper for the totrod that'll look cool .

  • @toshayonguard4253
    @toshayonguard4253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now you need some chrome tiedown hooks and wax those fenders since you didnt coat them with Por-15.....And you better balance those rear tire on the tyke they hop and wobble bad during the burnout’s 🤘🏻🤘🏻😁

  • @chestermcgillicuddy4368
    @chestermcgillicuddy4368 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Make it Knight Rider style! Drive on to the trailer while moving and depart the same. Shazzam!

  • @johnhershey4010
    @johnhershey4010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is a killer wagon

  • @SuicideNeil
    @SuicideNeil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    It's a GoCart... pulling a cart.... with a GoCart on it.... **mind explodes**

    • @Sithhy
      @Sithhy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      gokart-ception

    • @doonular
      @doonular 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just wait until the cart on the trailer is attached to a trailer with a cart on it...

    • @puddlerat
      @puddlerat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now you learned how the modified power wheels people roll 😂

  • @sasquatchdipper
    @sasquatchdipper 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    now you should build an off road capable trailer for one of the more off road suited go karts

  • @billbergen9169
    @billbergen9169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks fun in you're garage!

  • @johnhenry4679
    @johnhenry4679 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    AWSOME JOB I LIKE THAT YOU RECYCLED A LOT OF METAL TO.

  • @smalltownadventures6542
    @smalltownadventures6542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's hilarious, I commented a long time ago and said that you guys should build a trailer and a bunch of people said it's not practical... Then you actually do it and it turned out practical and awesome

  • @gradybrowning3976
    @gradybrowning3976 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 2 biggest kids in the world.👍

  • @lachlanwithers8864
    @lachlanwithers8864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes. Yes & yes. Now that has to be the most bad ass looking setup well done

  • @alwaysplayingtooloudjacob209
    @alwaysplayingtooloudjacob209 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should make it just a little bit wider so you could build some little ramps and drive up it like a true car hauler

  • @merlynwayman9309
    @merlynwayman9309 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the channel needs to be called carts and cameras

  • @wvflying1626
    @wvflying1626 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really cool set up ...

  • @ImTheJoker4u
    @ImTheJoker4u 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don’t know why you don’t go to “Mexico”😉😉 for your street tests. Everything is legal there👍

  • @nicklopez3580
    @nicklopez3580 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Trailer looks great good job go cart pulling sounds amazing cart being hauled looks good

  • @bigedsbeachsidegarage3968
    @bigedsbeachsidegarage3968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sweet Towcart !

  • @SuperGlacierGirl
    @SuperGlacierGirl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job on the trailer! Now then, why do I see say 30 or 40 years from now, Barn Find Hunters doing an episode on Ike's place. With all the stuff he has squirreled away it may need to be a series.