@@Leo-nh9ui maybe they dont want to do it but they cant do anything about it got they signed a slave contract.. maybe they do feel insecure but we dont know
Honestly I don't understand why stans are sooo mad when ppl say their idol got plastic surgery when it's sooooo obvious likeeeee plastic surgery it's not bad and if the idol got it and is happy we should also be happy yk😃
Because the truth is almost EVERY idol have got plastic surgery but the "fans" always use the plastic surgery argument to say their idols aren't fake and that they are so natural and beautiful.
Ik they’re just reenforcing that plastic surgery is something bad or to be ashamed of when it’s not. And they’re the same people who say they don’t care if someone gets surgery but will deny that their favs got it with their life.
People always say “there’s nothing wrong with getting plastic surgery” but when an idols gets “accused” of getting work done their fans get defensive and angry and try to deny it (when in most situations it’s almost always clear that the idol did get work done). If there is nothing wrong with plastic surgery why don’t ppl act like it? Why do ppl care so much in the first place about plastic surgery and feel the need to defend their idols against plastic surgery as if it’s this awful scandal. Many idols get work done and it isn’t a secret at this point. I’m tired of ppl bringing it up or ppl getting angry when someone happens to point it out. It isn’t this great big achievement to be born naturally pretty, it’s not like you have to actually do anything, you’re just born that way. So fans being “proud” of their idol’s natural good looks and feeling the need to defend them from plastic surgery is really weird to me.
Gurl see i agree with you I get you like a 100% but the only reason why a few stans deny cuz not everyone accept it ok? Majority of the society think you are not beautiful/ur fake/ugly if u have done some work on ur face Especially in kpop stans get out of hand I mean idols get slut shamed and attacked and threatened every day irrespective of ps or not but the thing is it becomes even worse and goes out of hand if ps is involved I mean i accept whatever it is and i completely agree with you But i also get where those stans are coming from
To me as long as the idol is happy and confident abt themselves im fine But those stans are just doing it as a way of protection cuz those people hating put idols down and do not have a limit on their hate whatsoever
@@r_a_y_ you're right self confidence is a very important part about self love, but getting plastic surgery for themselves is 100% fine because they are atleast trying to give themselves more confidence, you can also love yourself plastic surgery without it but again it's a choice that i feel like stans should just accept because their idol is doing what makes them happy
It annoys me most the time too. Like, they don't even know what kind of plastic surgery they're 'protecting' their idols from. They wouldn't just shut their trap.
Am I the only one that feels kind of relieved when I know that an idol has had surgery or that it's highly likely? It makes me feel so much better that it's basically impossible to be born looking that way and I don't feel as bad about my own looks. As K-pop is built on the foundation of good-looking and talented people and humans are appearance-fixated by nature, it's totally understandable why an idol would want to use surgery to permanently change their face or tweak it a bit to hit perfection. I'm still a fan, it's not like I think they're less pretty or ugly because they got surgery but it makes me relieved. I also try not to feel too bad though because part of an idol's job is to maintain their appearance. We do beauty and skincare to look good but it's generally not a job requirement. I'm sure most idols have very strict skincare and a lot of them have mentioned having dermatologists and keeping their figure is also part of the job (although it shouldn't be sadly). They'll crash diet or start working out loads before a comeback so the appearance you see during comebacks and in MVs are temporary anyway, lots of idols have said they eat nothing the day before MVs and photoshoots so they don't look bloated. It's just sad, really.
i agree. even though it's more "socially accepted" to be attractive, it's really not our fault if we're born with a face that doesn't fit the beauty standard. also, one of my faves have said that they basically eat nothing 3-7 days before a comeback and once it's over they gain all the weight back!
yeah especially when the idol is complimented for his/her visuals it makes me feel good that having plastic surgery is fine because once I had a really terrible accident before and I got my face shape done
It’s really a stupid subject to talk about. I mean just cause they’re natural doesn’t really compliment them. It’s not like they put any work or effort into it, it’s literally just the parents good genes. And if they got work done, good for them. At least they feel more confident now. Being natural is ideal, but doesn’t prove anything about the actual person. Focus on the actual talent rather than arguing about a nose shape. Oh and a last thing is don’t expect everyone to look amazing, it’s not like you look exactly like the standards.
But why do we need to change ourselves to feel happy. Kpop idols being forced into getting it only exacerbates the issues. I personally think that cosmetic surgery should be banned unless you are fixing a medical issue.
@@athenaconde2955 there definitely are idols who get pressured into doing it, but most of the time people in general get it in order to feel more confident and there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that. What an idol does with their face or body literally should not be any of our business, and if they’re happy with it, why should we care? Plastic surgery isn’t something that should be looked down upon if it makes people more confident with themselves, and anyways there’s better things to focus on than whether or not an idol got plastic surgery.
@@athenaconde2955 You are completely wrong I have small eyes and I want to have surgery too that does not mean anybody forced me I just want to feel confident enough to remove my glasses or I don't want to feel the need to enlarge my eyes before taking pictures when I don't even use filter literally anywhere so no not everyone is forced to have fixing some ppl genuinely want to have it
@@athenaconde2955 because your happiness shouldn’t be dependent on someone else’s action. As years go on, more and more people will do plastic surgery. It’s like how tattoos were back then, everybody hated them. But now it’s becoming more accepted. It’s their own body, their own choices. You shouldn’t tell someone what they can and can’t do when it isn’t harming you. Also, they still have their own choice. Many idols want to feel better about themselves, so they do it.
The only idols I can think of who’ve stated that they’re natural is Blackpink. They’ve said on numerous variety shows that their contracts state that they’re not allowed to get surgery, which is clearly not the case because the members have had visible work done (nose jobs, eyelid surgery etc.). This is when the conversation about surgery bothers me, because it’s the blatant lies about naturalness that make people think that their looks are attainable, when they aren’t. It’s not the girls faults, because they probably were told to say it, but it perpetuates the stigma against plastic surgery
Yeah they all got work done except maybe for Jisoo Because numerous plastic surgery channels say that she is likely to be natural we don't know for sure but yeah
@@xylypotatohead3947 ngl Jisoo's whole family is the definition of visual. Like people with good genes does exist, however it's kinda hard to find them. No wonder why KPOP Idol audition needs thousands participant so they can find people who are visually pleasing and also talented.
I think they meant they arent allowed to get plastic surgery outside of the company without them knowing which is logical.and they said that they werent allowed to drink smoke or get a tattoo which are things that if they would do them it is not something that the company would necessarily know
About getting a nose job, I don't understand why people get so angry. Sometimes getting it "fixed" is due to a breathing problem, my mum and aunt had a nose job because they couldn't breathe correctly and not because of their looks. Even I have a friend who has a similar nose shape that many Idols have and he had told me his nose was useless because of how dificult it was for him to breathe, this lead me to assume that probably some idols also have this kind of problems and thats why they get nose jobs ( of course there are many other cases where it's just an appearence matter) Sorry if I made some mistakes, english is not my first language✨
If it's a problem with breathing, etc., they at least try to accept it. But when it comes to making yourself feel more confident? Where did all the acceptance go?!
jimin is my bias wrecker and aespa is one of my favs and when i saw her and her pre debut pics i said in my head that something changed and i was like shes prettier before but im fine with it she is still pretty and i dont really care atleast she got talent
❥I don’t understand why people get defensive when it comes to their fave idols and plastic surgery.. there’s nothing wrong with getting plastic surgery!
It mostly happens because plastic surgery has a negative stigma around it and as Kpop stans, you don't want to see your favorite idol being cast in a negative light so they become super defensive, not to mention how much people drag specific idols regularly for PS (Lisa for example). But I don't really condone it too much either as all it does is further the negative stigma around plastic surgery when in fact, there's nothing wrong with it at all.
@@crystalaria4840 but plastic surgery is more stigmatized internationally. I’m not saying there aren’t toxic k-fans who criticize idols but tbh most of the hate is from I-stans who are used to hearing the message ‘accept yourself and be proud of who you are, dnd don’t change’ in society whereas in Korea plastic surgery isn’t as frowned upon as one may think. Actually, it’s more normalized than you think... which is what I think international fans need to understand
@@lunarialoonatic for me, plastic surgery is like an education. Beautiful face is like knowledge, and good plastic surgeons are like good teachers whose students are educated properly. So I don't think how is it bad to get plastic surgery and becoming a visual when it's exactly like getting educated and having a degree...
I totally agree with you but I’d like to add something: makeup (and face tapes). Ofc it’s not possible to change your whole appearance or get a smaller face without having plastic surgery but makeup can actually do a lot. I can admit that my ult maybe got something done but sometimes I see people comparing a picture of an idol with a full face of makeup to a predebut picture from 5 to 10 years ago where they wear little to no makeup. I can guarantee you that using it and lifting the face the right way can work wonders for someone’s appearance. Eyebrow shapes can influence how a face is perceived and mascara and eyeliner can make eyes appear much bigger. I know Korean makeup is mostly minimalistic but a lot goes actually into it, especially for stage makeup, photo shoots, music videos, tv appearances and so on
Love these three, but I need to mention them here: why aren’t male idols mentioned anywhere? Like Kim Taehyung (BTS) obviously got a forehead reduction/lowering of hairline, and it was probably in the era of the bandanas. Most idols get lip fillers too, as their lip sizes change(?) overtime (in the matter of months). Some lips look too pouty and smooth, like Hwang Hyunjin (Stray Kids). I think BTS’ Jimin has lip fillers too? Like people with big lips can get lip filler too, to enhance the pout. Lee Felix (Stray Kids) obviously had either buccal fat removal, or a jawline reduction. His face is almost long now, like slim, whereas he had an almost more square’ish face. I know he lost weight and all, but you don’t lose bone and you cannot target facial fat specifically :I No hate to them, they’re all extremely pretty, dare I say beautiful - we just need to mention male idols too.
IKR like people say that Tae should not have gotten it because of their LY concept are such idiots...the whole thing was to have confidence in who you are as a person and how you look and if plucking a few hairs from the back of his head and putting them on the top gives him confidence in his look then who fucking cares? Also, it's just a hairline reduction, not like he came up with an entirely different face, and it's really hard to style a big forehead and he must be feeling so much more comfortable now.
there’s honestly nothing wrong with plastic surgery!! it annoys me that some fans get SO defensive about their favs getting work done on their faces and it feels like they’re incredibly against it/shaming those who did it (for example, some people would be pointing out that a certain idol has had their nose done and that idol’s fans would say like “HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT Y’ALL ARE JUST BLIND MY FAV WOULD NEVER GET PLASTIC SURGERY”) 🤥
Fr. I was saying how I thought Lisa had surgery and someone started attacking me. Like holy Jesus check your blink ass self. Never said it was bad but like it just look she did.
I genuinely don't like plastic surgery and think it should be banned unless it is solving some medical condition. Especially since in Asia it is caused by incredibly racist and eurocentric standards. It is literally telling us that there is something wrong with natural features and to be happy we need to fix it. It is so toxic and companies and society need to stop making it normal and pressuring people to look perfect.I genuinely don't like plastic surgery and think it should be banned unless it is solving some medical condition. Especially since in Asia it is caused by incredibly racist and eurocentric standards. It is literally telling us that there is something wrong with natural features and to be happy we need to fix it. It is so toxic and companies and society need to stop making it normal and pressuring people to look perfect.
Ikr, like we should let them be confident. But all people do have to is care whether they're breathing or not and overexagerrating things like it's not a freakin crime
@@athenaconde2955 I don’t like plastic surgery either but I think in the end it’s the idols choice. I don’t think they should be shamed if they decide to do a surgery just to do something as simple as a nose job. It’s not like it affects the fans in anyway, it’s their decision. And if it makes them happier in the end then who are we as fans to judge. I know some companies have basically swayed their idols to getting some work, but not all do. Ngl I’m pretty sure Lisa’s nose job was done on her own terms considering one of YG’s regulations is that the idols aren’t allowed to get work done after what happened to 2ne1. Or Lisa could have easily gotten it down before debut
Honestly the anger some stans have when you even insinuate that their favs have had plastic surgery is toxic. People say that Korea is toxic with beauty standards and stuff but international fans are just as bad and hypocritical because they criticize idols for getting plastic surgery and throw hate in their direction. Plastic surgery is perfectly fine, accept the fact that your idol did it. It doesn’t mean they aren’t attractive. People should understand that plastic surgery is more normalized in Korea than anywhere else. So it’s very common if you’re a kpop stan to find out an idol has had some kind of work done. I’m not saying all of them have, but like... we all know Lisa has. But is there anything wrong with that? No, it’s her choice in the end. It doesn’t mean she’s fake or plastic and people need to stop stigmatizing plastic surgery.
I agree with you, and also lisa is really beautiful. She got 2nd most beautiful person in the world in 2020 and she's always had her pretty and funny facial expressions.
It's been a while i was planning to talk about it in a video regrouping other untalked stuff, but well.. she came first, if i do so people will call it plagiarism
There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery. Everyone is beautiful in their own but if anyone wants to do surgery then they should do it if they feel better then. Ofc some idols have done plastic surgery but there is also this magical thing called ✨makeup✨ so some just have that. Anyways, like axiestan said: there is nothing wrong with surgery if the people who get the plastic surgery wanted it 💖💖💖
I think within the kpop fandom we need to stop caring about plastic surgery, but it worries me that non-kpop fans will use plastic surgery as an excuse to portray idols as artificial. Obviously, that’s an incorrect and most of all techno-orientalist opinion (watch bby gang’s video about orientalism and kpop) but I would be wary about talking about plastic surgery with locals.
The other sad thing about plastic surgery within the kpop industry that i dont see a lot of people talk about: the erasal of ethnic features. Korean people typically have low nose bridges and monolids over their counterpart. And I personally find those two features incredibly beautiful. But virtually every idol has had double eyelid surgery and nose bridge implants to get rid of it. Its almost as if theyre trying to look more european, which is incredibly sad in my opinion
random but i'm lowkey confused how no one is talking about *itzy's yuna's nose job* that she seemed to have had sometime in the past few months. it's subtle but still quite obvious if you compare her nose from debut - not shy era to award show season era late 2020 and itzy's newer content. her nose tip is smaller/more pointy, less bulky and her nostrils are higher. before anyone comes for me, yuna is my ult (how you could guess with my name lol) so this is not a hate comment and i don't want to shame her for that, i just noticed it. and my feelings are mixed tbh. like everyone can do with their own body what they want to. but firstly the fact that yuna had it when she was only 16/around her 17th birthday idk. like she isn't even an adult yet and fully "finished"? and yes, plastic surgery is legal (and also not that unusual) in south korea for underaged people if they get the permission from their parents. and secondly i just really hope that she herself wanted it and didn't feel pressured by the company and/or something/someone else. cause yuna did mention in the past that she thinks her nose looks "like a mountain" (i think she said it on weekly idol idk it was on a variety show). plus there have been some shitty articles in south korea talking about how yuna's visuals "faded" and that she was prettier when she debuted. umm hello? wtf though... being the visual must be pretty hard tbh especially for underaged idols, they always have to look their best. so i just hope yuna really did it for herself and not because of other people's opinions
@@cookiesandcream8524 yeah i'm pretty sure cause her nose suddenly changed like that had nothing to do with puberty and maturing. but i kinda think she might just got nose fillers like that's an usual thing to do if you don't want to go completely under the knife. i mean i can't confirm anything but she definitely has done something to her nose if you compare her it from debut to now and it kinda makes me a bit sad tbh cause she really didn't need it but anyway :/
her nose went from wide + flat with a slightly downturned bulbous tip, to a thin pointed upturned nose. that isn't puberty and people need to realise that.
fr they act like us saying that "Lisa had surgery on her nose" is an insult when we aren't trying to insult her but trying to point of the obvious and it doesn't matter because Lisa is still beautiful no matter what but there is nothing wrong with having plastic surgery
@Jimmy Fell on ik that Yg artists had work done but I admit that they did while other dont want to believe that their fav got ps done but honestly people dont have to be rude about it idk people hate on her for that when ps isn't even a bad thing as long as she feels confident with herself and her happiness is all that matters
@Jimmy Fell on I dont really care if any idols gotten surgery it's their choice I also got into kpop because of the music ps is nothing wrong or bad but it seems like some fans take it to be an insult when it's not
Funfact: You can actually change the shape of your jaw naturally depending on your diet and facial posture especially when sleeping. That can affect the strength of your skull positively as well
I think beyond the surgeries, a lot of predebut photos of idols are just... tragic in terms of hair and skincare compared to idols now. Idols have makeup engineered to make them look better so in some cases the makeup/hair also helps completely change them
The industry is so obsessed with perfection so everyone’s get something done and as long as they were ok with getting it and are happy with it then good for them but truly it’s non of our business You weren’t talking that fast pretty nice speed I won’t lie
one of the things you didnt mention was skin bleaching (not surgical but related i think). I think its very clear to me when idols have done it and we have to stop pretending that they naturally become bone white 😭
And to be honest, there's nothing such as "Natural beauty" in Kpop tho, just look at their flawless skin, Im not sure that those frikin' white smooth ass skin could be obtainable by just having some skincare routine, there's must be a high quality treatment behind it
there’s nothing wrong with plastic surgery BUT i will say idols should have and need visuals and that’s a big part of being successful if we’re being realistic,, and honestly a lot of idols would look better if they’re faces were changed and there are a lot of idols that look a LOT better now than they did imo, sometimes it IS puberty and some hair changed etc, but sometimes it is rlly obvious, which isn’t rlly a bad thing, but it is a thing
some people are just attractive i dont know why theres so much obsession with the idea of nobody in kpop being natural bc it just isnt true jfbdkcn like it isnt really necessarily always a matter of people hating the idea of their idol having gotten surgery but its just as much kind of just not fair to make that assumption
literally every group has multiple members who've had stuff done to them. it's really hard to even think of idols who are actually all natural. some that come to mind are wekimeki's doyeon, somi, loona's hyunjin, amber, ateez' san and g-idle's shuhua, seventeen's vernon and mingyu. maybe some wayv members too? it's kinda sad that i ccan't think of many more since so many idols are already pretty to begin with. it's just that they have to be PERFECT.
Ooohhh this is about to be long but I gotta get this off my mind now! I completely agree with what you said. I really have no problem with it mostly because the reason they do it is that it's normalized in SK. When this conversation gets out of hand to me is when the Kpop beauty standards start to be put on western female artists. This is something I have been seeing a lot lately on Twitter and it's getting gross. I remember like 3 months ago there was a long thread from a multi-girl group stan and the whole thread was comparing her favorite Kpop girl group idols to really popular western female artists. In the tweet the person was saying things like Dua Lipa has ugly skin and her fav has natural clean skin, Ariana has a crooked face and her fav has a perfect jawline, saying Doja cat is to fat to be pretty and said her idol was perfect because she has better-toned legs, said meg the stallion was too dark and her fav has pure pale skin. And the Meg the stallion one literally made me angry. Meg the stallion is an African American woman how can you make the comparison!? Then started putting up pictures of western female artist stretch marks and calling them fat and gross. And they mentioned many many more western female artist and they were really nasty body shaming and slut-shame type comments. I thought it was a troll account but the account had been opened since like 2010 and had over like 700ish followers. And what was worse was that a lot of girl group stans retweeted it and said things like “exactly! If these ugly western bitches would work as hard as my fav idols they would be pretty!” or one said something like “This is why my fav idol deserves western success more than ugly Lizzo! My fav is natural, skinny, pretty and can dance” like I love Kpop and I love girl groups but I will literally never abandon my Western Queens! I listen to Kpop for fun vibes but when I listen to western female music I'm listening for multiple things not only the fun vibes but some artist I'm listening for the message, and the fact that some of them are not all the same shape or have the same skin type or skin color. In western pop it's now more loving your body and women being free with their bodies and no slut-shaming. Like the individuality. But we all know it's not like that in Kpop yet. The Kpop companies are now letting go of cute concepts and switching to “confident girl crush” concepts to reach a western audience but I do not get the same level of conference from girl crush Kpop song as I do from say a Lizzo song or meg the stallion song. That was long but had to say it. Loved the video! ❤️ Almost forgot to mention in this is that people all over the world get cosmetic surgery done and for different reasons because beauty standards are different all around the world. So to compare the different standards like one is better than the others is unfair.
They act like only western women age, have stretch marks, skin problems etc. Thats fetishizing asians and its bad enough when men do it but now all sexes are sexist.
A lot of people in the comments section are saying it's ok to do a plastic surgery if it makes you feel more confident but.... The thing is people don't have to feel unconfident without one, it IS a problem to betray plastic surgeries as something completely fine. Because doing so you're never gonna get the point when changing your features in order to be accepted by unrealistic beauty standards will come to an end. Like, we shouldn't blame anyone for getting their nose done and stuff, but we also SHOULD NOT forget the industry of plastic surgery was made not for helping people with low self-esteem to become more confident, it was made to instill the certain standards among people (mostly women) to make them waste their money and not let them live without fear being judged for their real faces (because it's a great way to control them and it works, as you can see). Idk, just don't make it seem like doing surgeries is perfectly fine, it's a harmtful behavior, I guess that's my point.
Yeah all of these crazy perfect body and face goals that Korean idols have makes us citizens feel more insecure about ourselves and not grateful for what we have..just to know you can be as pretty as idol and have that visual you're admiring of but u must get under knife to achieve it..but as we know it's an unrealistic dream for us. after all, we're not the ugly one .. we're average people just like any other idol would look like before they had surgery
One thing I’ve noticed is that people on both sides seem to reach. With idols who got surgery, people really exaggerate to argue that they’re natural. For idols who really are natural, people try to reach to say that they got something done. As someone who kind of won the genetic lottery visual wise (thanks mom and dad lol), I don’t and won’t ever fit everyone’s hard to achieve standards.
I agree with this but it’s annoying when people claim people have surgery just by looking at one photo of an idol when they were young them automatically assume they have surgery and most photos of idols when young are photoshopped by toxic people I dislike how people assume then hate on the idol for no reason
Exact!. when I personally don't like ppl with surgeries done, someone comes to tell me "there is nothing wrong" ok it's true, natural or made it beauty, both are fine, my main problem that many don't understand, is that I feel that in the world of kpop, and fame and all this. Many actors, artists, idols WANTS to fit the standards cuz they feel insecure. Not because they really want to, come on! It is not the same when you want to have surgery but your security is there, when you have no security in yourself.
The thing about these beauty standards is that- apart from plastic surgery- there is nothing you can do to "achieve" them. You can't shrink your nose though exercise, or obtain a V line facial shape though hard work and dedication. Practice does not make perfect. Your face is what it is. The fact that someone doesn't naturally fit the beauty mould should not be a deep dark secret. Nor should natural beauty be treated as a moral virtue. It's just luck.
I think what most people don’t understand about plastic surgery, is what it means to get it done. Everybody saying, “it’s not a bad thing!” “if it helps them feel confident why not?”. Literally, the whole point of plastic surgery is to fit the beauty standards of others. Nobody just wakes up and thinks, “hmm, I need a bigger nose.” No, they saw somebody with a pretty face and a bigger nose and now wants to have the same look. Plastic surgery is all about “fixing” parts on your body just so you won’t be judged by others, so no it’s not a good thing. It’s unnecessary, a waste of money and time, and CAN cause health risks in the future. Plastic surgery should only be needed for medical procedures, like trouble breathing through your nose or having a hard time seeing.
also i personally think plastic surgery isn’t horrible if i had the money i would definitely get a nose job and work on my jawline and i hate how stans act like they wouldn’t either
I relate to the part where you talked abt how our Mindset has changed too while watching these idols, like I started to think ppl with beautiful faces are attractive. I realized this not so long ago and have decided to stop thinking like this. It's really sad that idols have to live up to all these expectations and even if they try to get "perfect" they would be criticized over it. I hope ppl just become open minded abt this.
i think the issue is that we all care too much. i personally think that most idols have minimal plastic surgery (a little bit here, a little bit there, but nothing drastically appearance changing) but the truth is, that we all need to accept, is that we shouldn't really care as much. my fav got a nose job? okay? like... that has no relevance to anything. getting upset and defensive isn't going to change anything, just as accusing everyone of having it isn't going to change anything. if they got plastic surgery, it isn't our business. plus there's HUGE double standards, since pretty much every western singer has a slight lip filler or face lift or nose job, and nobody seems to care nearly as much as kpop stans do. the one issue i have with surgery in the industry is the possibility of coerced/forced surgery, that the idols didn't want to get or were reluctant about. that's a discussion we need to have just as we discuss other issues within the industry, but almost never do.
But at the same time people who obviously changed because of puberty and better expensive treatments are treated like they did some surgery. For eg, Wonyoung from iz*one was called out for 'having plastic surgery' while in reality wiz*ones have seen her grow up before our eyes, so of course we're gonna defend her. There are pics of her when she was 11 - 12 where she still looks the same. She also obviously used better products than before now that she's richer
honestly i'd rather hear it from the idols confirming they got surgery, even if not its no one of OUR business if they got surgery or not. in the end. plastic surgery isn't even a bad thing and is pretty normal in South Korea
I like how alot of fans get shocked when they find out an idol gets plastic surgery. Like duh of course the idol has gotten plastic surgery, because South Korea is a country where Plastic Surgery is commonly done. And knowing that I don't really care if an Idol gets plastic surgery, as long as they're happy with getting it.
Actually this your pronunciation speed is what I wanna hear more in videos I watch anywhere because it's like we are actually talking to each other (but you can't hear me 😂). Please keep making videos with pronouncing speed like this
SM’s plastic surgery is just.. unnecessary. Like for Wendy, she was(arguably) prettier before. Not saying that she isn’t pretty, but the surgery felt unnecessary. I won’t go against it as it is her decision.
Tbh I don't think they shaved it down, because she joined SM 11 months before her debut and the weight loss she went through was massive. Honestly her jaw still isn't chiseled nor is she as thin as the other girls. But a lot of sudden weight loss does take away the fat on your face. I know most of the comparison is based off that one yearbook picture of her but there are a lot more videos and pictures and you can see the difference or rather lack of difference in those - th-cam.com/video/fxP5tSXOe0Q/w-d-xo.html
@@lanna1966 Yuta didn't get a jaw shave, he got chin fillers during limitless era which were removed by Cherry Bomb Era. Tbh he looked horrible with it
I read once someone that said they unstanned a group because some members had plastic surgery, like what??? That's their choice, it's none of your business and why does it bother you???.And this goes back to the, why having plastic surgery is bad??.
I don’t understand why people are so set on saying that their idol hasn’t had plastic surgery when it is clear they’ve had it and as if it was even BAD. Ppl need to chill out tbh
When I see stans getting super defensive over plastic surgery claims it makes me so sad, cus if the idol had any surgery and saw their reaction they’d feel so bad about it.
I think it's such an important subject to talk about so such a great video. However i think that when we are talking about plastic surgery especially in korea we have to remind ourselves that plastic surgery was bring by American soldiers after the Korean war to "fix" their eyes to be closer to Occidental looks. Just thinking about that makes me really sad and mad
I want to be an idol and I want to correct my nose with plastic surgery, it would be a septumrinoplasty basicaly cuz well my nose was ok till my cousin hit me so hard that when I was 6 it basically moved and now my nose is out of place, u know some idols might had an accident or malfuntion in jaw, sometimes idols receive plastic surgey cuz they need it like me but thats the thing, in my case my nosr is moved and I have like a deformation in the nose bridge when before I didnt have it but if I get my nose corrected I will look almost the same but with a corrected nose, if u actually looked this before and after of this surgerys the change isnt that big, but then there are idol who before is like another person and that is scary.
Tbh I don't know cause I'm myself pretty defensive when it comes to this. you won't believe that I got triggered when the screen showed my idol while you were talking even though I knew that it wasn't pointed at anyone. the standards are indeed too high. it messes up people's confidence like...nowdays people want more than their partner has, while the person is pretty average and ok. however, I hate people assuming and judging a specific person so I respect you for not doing that. Welp I hundred percent hate to admit, but some of the idols I favor might have done it. we can't ignore the hate received for doing plastic surgery though, it's their body and they still get hate for it. clearly there's some lines. but someone like Nayeon or Jennie(just two examples) look the same to me and it actually can make me believe that it's puberty changes. but then I still don't know. I think it's safe to say fans love their idols and dim them as perfection And they'll change their opinions and standards just for their idol to fit in.(they might not show hate and support but would be bothered inside, me as an example). for the visual, I just find whoever is graceful, beautiful,pretty or gorgeous the way they are without exception for the facial. can't have standards for that.
oop i’m very late but still. what makes me even more angry is that people are crazy over “natural looks” rather than plastic surgery natural beauty isn’t an achievement, all you have to do is to win the genetic lottery. for me, people with natural beauty and people who have done plastic surgery are equal
I'm not here for the face I'm here for the music and tbh when idols get plastic surgery I don't see how it's any of my business as it's their life so..🤷
I actually catch myself thinking someone is not pretty because of Korean standards. Especially when I watch a rookie group for the first time. I hate being this way because I really didn't care what celebrities looked like before K-pop.
Some people need to mind their own business, South Korea is the capital of Plastic Surgery, most K-pop idols get something done, even braces can be considered a type of surgery lol. It's funny how idols get attacked for being "fake" & "plastic" it's none of your business why are people so mad
I really enjoyed this video. Your insights and honestly was nice to listen to and you had a lot of good points. I really agree with you on many things. This is a very interesting topic and should be talked about more. Thank you for bringing it up💛 you got a new subscriber!!!
One thing I never hear brought up in plastic surgery discussions is the idea that the "art" is only as good as it's "canvas" ("art" in the sense that cosmetic surgery is not only a medical skill but technically an art in itself). I hate comparing irl people to objects but I haven't got a better comparison, unfortunately. A lot of ppl seem to want to defend their faves from plastic surgery rumors/accusations because they think it's others implying that their faves aren't naturally beautiful but tbh, it's hard to make someone look almost otherworldly-perfect (as most idols are) with surgery if they aren't already halfway there naturally lol
Sometimes the childhood/adolescent photos comparisons to fully formed adults are inaccurate to use as an identifier too. In my opinion, to be attractive, skin and hair(facial and head) care are much more important than the physical structure of the face. No offense but I find it unattractive when most of the stars have the same eyes and nose image, check out the Miss Korea pageant, they all look like an advertisement for the plastic surgery clinics. Having lived there for a while, it is really difficult to distinguish natural beauty between people who are considered beautiful. As for males, as long as one has enough testosterone, the jawline would naturally fill/square out, so less men choose to do any plastic surgery when they see their adult selves. Personally, I tried laser hair removal a couple of times for my face/beard(should have just left it in hindsight, even though it grew at the rate of a bear.) When I was in the clinic, the nurses and doctors asked who did the plastic surgery for my face, they found the straight nose/high bridge coupled with small single eyelid, square jaw compilation astoundingly weird. Obviously I didn't do any, but it was an enlightening experience on what they judge faces on for beauty standards. But don't be angry at the idols for choosing to go that route, they are under extreme pressure to stay attractive and climb the entertainment ladder, particularly the females are judged very harshly. And their careers are relatively short too, which makes them do things most of us would not need to do.
I feel like people are a bit obsessed with beauty, being naturally beautiful is just luck, why would you send hate to someone because they were a bit unlucky when their face was being made? Also beauty, although it has a scientific side is just an opinion. For example, there are good and bad songs that are judged by a professional so we know there are good and bad songs but at the end of the day it's just an opinion and I think it works the same with beauty as well, right? I don't know though lol someone please tell me if this makes sense
Honestly i don't understand why people make a big deal out of it when it comes to idols getting plastic surgery i mean i m a kpop fan for more than 2 years probably i probably noticed a lots of kpop idols have plastic surgery I mean South korea has the highest ratio of plastic surgery per capital worldwide. Beauty standards in korea are really strict. South korea is well known for having strict beauty standards. Even many male idols who have plastic surgery too so keep in mind don't keep obsessing over their looks.
I’m a moa and I admit without any problem that taehyun probably had something done to his nose because there’s literally nothing wrong with it. When I see people being aggressively defensive and deny it even tho it’s pretty obvious (just took at his pre debut pics,it’s not because of puberty) I just shake my head. Why treat plastic surgery as something bad?? why can’t we just normalize it? he looked good both ways but denying he had ps just seems disrespectful towards him, like if he did something wrong.
Also it is important to say: when talking about surgery, this is not the age of butched lips and shaping the bone etc anymore. So many noninvasive things, so many filter, not-everlasting results are possible so people who had surgery dont look like Katie Price anymore.
It took me way too long to figure out that the stomping I was hearing was in the background of your vid and not my older brother going up and down the stairs 😔
plastic surgery is totally fine. the only thing i worry about is that sometimes plastic surgery can affect your singing... but it’s really up to each idol, plastic surgery isn’t a bad thing at all! 💕
I'm not mad about the idols having plastic surgery bcos that's their job to look good all the time. I'm mad at those stans saying their idols are au naturale 😂😭😭 ain't nobody got those with only puberty... lmao when you clearly can see the changes
For me, I never compared myself to any beauty standard bc I learnt at an early age that it was made to make people feel superior/worse about themselves. Also, I'm not even east asian so I can't compare.
Maybe the nose thing when idols grow into their features because I had a bigger nose when I was young, now my face fits it perfectly. Like I grew into it. But maybe it’s just different genetics Idk it’s just my input
as long as the idols don’t feel insecure about their face, us stans aren’t in the place to say anything about their plastic surgery
Ehhh
@@yaomomo6881 what do you mean by Ehh?
@@pragyabhushan2338 like it sucks that some idols feel the new cause of insecurities but it’s their choice not ours
@@yaomomo6881
But is it really their choice that's the question. Because forcing/manipulating trainees to get surgery is sadly nothing new.
@@Leo-nh9ui maybe they dont want to do it but they cant do anything about it got they signed a slave contract.. maybe they do feel insecure but we dont know
Honestly I don't understand why stans are sooo mad when ppl say their idol got plastic surgery when it's sooooo obvious likeeeee plastic surgery it's not bad and if the idol got it and is happy we should also be happy yk😃
Because then there faces say they are the most beautiful than your faves who didn't get plastic surgery
Because the truth is almost EVERY idol have got plastic surgery but the "fans" always use the plastic surgery argument to say their idols aren't fake and that they are so natural and beautiful.
Ik they’re just reenforcing that plastic surgery is something bad or to be ashamed of when it’s not. And they’re the same people who say they don’t care if someone gets surgery but will deny that their favs got it with their life.
@@nouseescaping4659 tbh beautiful is subjective so i think those visual members thingy are kinda problematic
Yes
Can we talk about this conversation is almost always centered on females
Girls are fun to hate
Yes that is problematic thought process
Your username is so pretty
@@minchoo1984 why?
There are male idols with plastic surgery?
People always say “there’s nothing wrong with getting plastic surgery” but when an idols gets “accused” of getting work done their fans get defensive and angry and try to deny it (when in most situations it’s almost always clear that the idol did get work done). If there is nothing wrong with plastic surgery why don’t ppl act like it? Why do ppl care so much in the first place about plastic surgery and feel the need to defend their idols against plastic surgery as if it’s this awful scandal. Many idols get work done and it isn’t a secret at this point. I’m tired of ppl bringing it up or ppl getting angry when someone happens to point it out.
It isn’t this great big achievement to be born naturally pretty, it’s not like you have to actually do anything, you’re just born that way. So fans being “proud” of their idol’s natural good looks and feeling the need to defend them from plastic surgery is really weird to me.
Gurl see i agree with you
I get you like a 100% but the only reason why a few stans deny cuz not everyone accept it ok?
Majority of the society think you are not beautiful/ur fake/ugly if u have done some work on ur face
Especially in kpop stans get out of hand
I mean idols get slut shamed and attacked and threatened every day irrespective of ps or not but the thing is it becomes even worse and goes out of hand if ps is involved
I mean i accept whatever it is and i completely agree with you
But i also get where those stans are coming from
To me as long as the idol is happy and confident abt themselves im fine
But those stans are just doing it as a way of protection cuz those people hating put idols down and do not have a limit on their hate whatsoever
@@r_a_y_ you're right self confidence is a very important part about self love, but getting plastic surgery for themselves is 100% fine because they are atleast trying to give themselves more confidence, you can also love yourself plastic surgery without it but again it's a choice that i feel like stans should just accept because their idol is doing what makes them happy
It annoys me most the time too. Like, they don't even know what kind of plastic surgery they're 'protecting' their idols from. They wouldn't just shut their trap.
These are not the same people.
Am I the only one that feels kind of relieved when I know that an idol has had surgery or that it's highly likely? It makes me feel so much better that it's basically impossible to be born looking that way and I don't feel as bad about my own looks. As K-pop is built on the foundation of good-looking and talented people and humans are appearance-fixated by nature, it's totally understandable why an idol would want to use surgery to permanently change their face or tweak it a bit to hit perfection. I'm still a fan, it's not like I think they're less pretty or ugly because they got surgery but it makes me relieved.
I also try not to feel too bad though because part of an idol's job is to maintain their appearance. We do beauty and skincare to look good but it's generally not a job requirement. I'm sure most idols have very strict skincare and a lot of them have mentioned having dermatologists and keeping their figure is also part of the job (although it shouldn't be sadly). They'll crash diet or start working out loads before a comeback so the appearance you see during comebacks and in MVs are temporary anyway, lots of idols have said they eat nothing the day before MVs and photoshoots so they don't look bloated. It's just sad, really.
i agree. even though it's more "socially accepted" to be attractive, it's really not our fault if we're born with a face that doesn't fit the beauty standard. also, one of my faves have said that they basically eat nothing 3-7 days before a comeback and once it's over they gain all the weight back!
yeah especially when the idol is complimented for his/her visuals it makes me feel good that having plastic surgery is fine because once I had a really terrible accident before and I got my face shape done
It’s really a stupid subject to talk about. I mean just cause they’re natural doesn’t really compliment them. It’s not like they put any work or effort into it, it’s literally just the parents good genes. And if they got work done, good for them. At least they feel more confident now. Being natural is ideal, but doesn’t prove anything about the actual person. Focus on the actual talent rather than arguing about a nose shape. Oh and a last thing is don’t expect everyone to look amazing, it’s not like you look exactly like the standards.
But why do we need to change ourselves to feel happy. Kpop idols being forced into getting it only exacerbates the issues. I personally think that cosmetic surgery should be banned unless you are fixing a medical issue.
@@athenaconde2955 there definitely are idols who get pressured into doing it, but most of the time people in general get it in order to feel more confident and there shouldn’t be anything wrong with that. What an idol does with their face or body literally should not be any of our business, and if they’re happy with it, why should we care? Plastic surgery isn’t something that should be looked down upon if it makes people more confident with themselves, and anyways there’s better things to focus on than whether or not an idol got plastic surgery.
@@athenaconde2955 You are completely wrong I have small eyes and I want to have surgery too that does not mean anybody forced me I just want to feel confident enough to remove my glasses or I don't want to feel the need to enlarge my eyes before taking pictures when I don't even use filter literally anywhere so no not everyone is forced to have fixing some ppl genuinely want to have it
@@athenaconde2955 because your happiness shouldn’t be dependent on someone else’s action. As years go on, more and more people will do plastic surgery. It’s like how tattoos were back then, everybody hated them. But now it’s becoming more accepted. It’s their own body, their own choices. You shouldn’t tell someone what they can and can’t do when it isn’t harming you. Also, they still have their own choice. Many idols want to feel better about themselves, so they do it.
@@amritaarihansaha3216 your not a kpop idol tho she’s referring to only kpop idols
The only idols I can think of who’ve stated that they’re natural is Blackpink. They’ve said on numerous variety shows that their contracts state that they’re not allowed to get surgery, which is clearly not the case because the members have had visible work done (nose jobs, eyelid surgery etc.). This is when the conversation about surgery bothers me, because it’s the blatant lies about naturalness that make people think that their looks are attainable, when they aren’t. It’s not the girls faults, because they probably were told to say it, but it perpetuates the stigma against plastic surgery
Yeah they all got work done except maybe for Jisoo
Because numerous plastic surgery channels say that she is likely to be natural we don't know for sure but yeah
@@xylypotatohead3947 ngl Jisoo's whole family is the definition of visual. Like people with good genes does exist, however it's kinda hard to find them. No wonder why KPOP Idol audition needs thousands participant so they can find people who are visually pleasing and also talented.
I think they meant they arent allowed to get plastic surgery outside of the company without them knowing which is logical.and they said that they werent allowed to drink smoke or get a tattoo which are things that if they would do them it is not something that the company would necessarily know
@lululia hey baby blink, just because someone seems natural to you, it doesnt mean they are. And people LIE
No they can lee hi was in yg ent and she Saïd they still can tho
About getting a nose job, I don't understand why people get so angry. Sometimes getting it "fixed" is due to a breathing problem, my mum and aunt had a nose job because they couldn't breathe correctly and not because of their looks. Even I have a friend who has a similar nose shape that many Idols have and he had told me his nose was useless because of how dificult it was for him to breathe, this lead me to assume that probably some idols also have this kind of problems and thats why they get nose jobs ( of course there are many other cases where it's just an appearence matter)
Sorry if I made some mistakes, english is not my first language✨
totally agree! also your english is very good hehe
I agree
yes exactly! i think in bts it was the member namjoon who got a nose surgery, he did it because of breathing problems
If it's a problem with breathing, etc., they at least try to accept it. But when it comes to making yourself feel more confident? Where did all the acceptance go?!
Aespa had a lot of plastic surgery thanks SM they were beautiful before that aswell
Yeah Giselle's face shape looks different than before
jimin is my bias wrecker and aespa is one of my favs and when i saw her and her pre debut pics i said in my head that something changed and i was like shes prettier before but im fine with it she is still pretty and i dont really care atleast she got talent
I was surprised at first, but didn't really care because it's what made them happy 😳♥️
After surgery, Karina became one of the prettiest idols in kpop
❥I don’t understand why people get defensive when it comes to their fave idols and plastic surgery.. there’s nothing wrong with getting plastic surgery!
It mostly happens because plastic surgery has a negative stigma around it and as Kpop stans, you don't want to see your favorite idol being cast in a negative light so they become super defensive, not to mention how much people drag specific idols regularly for PS (Lisa for example). But I don't really condone it too much either as all it does is further the negative stigma around plastic surgery when in fact, there's nothing wrong with it at all.
@@crystalaria4840 but plastic surgery is more stigmatized internationally. I’m not saying there aren’t toxic k-fans who criticize idols but tbh most of the hate is from I-stans who are used to hearing the message ‘accept yourself and be proud of who you are, dnd don’t change’ in society whereas in Korea plastic surgery isn’t as frowned upon as one may think. Actually, it’s more normalized than you think... which is what I think international fans need to understand
@@crystalaria4840 yes but it can affect the idols health especially girls since people always get biased and girls in s.k can't speak for themselves.
@@lunarialoonatic for me, plastic surgery is like an education. Beautiful face is like knowledge, and good plastic surgeons are like good teachers whose students are educated properly. So I don't think how is it bad to get plastic surgery and becoming a visual when it's exactly like getting educated and having a degree...
I totally agree with you but I’d like to add something: makeup (and face tapes). Ofc it’s not possible to change your whole appearance or get a smaller face without having plastic surgery but makeup can actually do a lot. I can admit that my ult maybe got something done but sometimes I see people comparing a picture of an idol with a full face of makeup to a predebut picture from 5 to 10 years ago where they wear little to no makeup.
I can guarantee you that using it and lifting the face the right way can work wonders for someone’s appearance. Eyebrow shapes can influence how a face is perceived and mascara and eyeliner can make eyes appear much bigger. I know Korean makeup is mostly minimalistic but a lot goes actually into it, especially for stage makeup, photo shoots, music videos, tv appearances and so on
Yep they wear heavy makeup on stage and it has purpose
yeah. a lot of makeup, and all the camera editing and lighting after
Makeup/Puberty is yet another excuse that the stans are likely to come up with. Makeup doesn't make your jawline 3x sharper and your nose pointier.
Love these three, but I need to mention them here: why aren’t male idols mentioned anywhere?
Like Kim Taehyung (BTS) obviously got a forehead reduction/lowering of hairline, and it was probably in the era of the bandanas.
Most idols get lip fillers too, as their lip sizes change(?) overtime (in the matter of months). Some lips look too pouty and smooth, like Hwang Hyunjin (Stray Kids).
I think BTS’ Jimin has lip fillers too? Like people with big lips can get lip filler too, to enhance the pout.
Lee Felix (Stray Kids) obviously had either buccal fat removal, or a jawline reduction. His face is almost long now, like slim, whereas he had an almost more square’ish face. I know he lost weight and all, but you don’t lose bone and you cannot target facial fat specifically :I
No hate to them, they’re all extremely pretty, dare I say beautiful - we just need to mention male idols too.
True.
IKR like people say that Tae should not have gotten it because of their LY concept are such idiots...the whole thing was to have confidence in who you are as a person and how you look and if plucking a few hairs from the back of his head and putting them on the top gives him confidence in his look then who fucking cares? Also, it's just a hairline reduction, not like he came up with an entirely different face, and it's really hard to style a big forehead and he must be feeling so much more comfortable now.
we stan them bcs of their talents
@@jaems314 no we also care about their appearance as fans
Exactly, And I'm pretty sure half of the industry has gotten Rhinoplasty
there’s honestly nothing wrong with plastic surgery!! it annoys me that some fans get SO defensive about their favs getting work done on their faces and it feels like they’re incredibly against it/shaming those who did it (for example, some people would be pointing out that a certain idol has had their nose done and that idol’s fans would say like “HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT Y’ALL ARE JUST BLIND MY FAV WOULD NEVER GET PLASTIC SURGERY”) 🤥
Fr. I was saying how I thought Lisa had surgery and someone started attacking me. Like holy Jesus check your blink ass self. Never said it was bad but like it just look she did.
I genuinely don't like plastic surgery and think it should be banned unless it is solving some medical condition. Especially since in Asia it is caused by incredibly racist and eurocentric standards. It is literally telling us that there is something wrong with natural features and to be happy we need to fix it. It is so toxic and companies and society need to stop making it normal and pressuring people to look perfect.I genuinely don't like plastic surgery and think it should be banned unless it is solving some medical condition. Especially since in Asia it is caused by incredibly racist and eurocentric standards. It is literally telling us that there is something wrong with natural features and to be happy we need to fix it. It is so toxic and companies and society need to stop making it normal and pressuring people to look perfect.
Ikr, like we should let them be confident. But all people do have to is care whether they're breathing or not and overexagerrating things like it's not a freakin crime
i agree 100% also i love ur videos
@@athenaconde2955 I don’t like plastic surgery either but I think in the end it’s the idols choice. I don’t think they should be shamed if they decide to do a surgery just to do something as simple as a nose job. It’s not like it affects the fans in anyway, it’s their decision. And if it makes them happier in the end then who are we as fans to judge. I know some companies have basically swayed their idols to getting some work, but not all do. Ngl I’m pretty sure Lisa’s nose job was done on her own terms considering one of YG’s regulations is that the idols aren’t allowed to get work done after what happened to 2ne1. Or Lisa could have easily gotten it down before debut
Honestly the anger some stans have when you even insinuate that their favs have had plastic surgery is toxic. People say that Korea is toxic with beauty standards and stuff but international fans are just as bad and hypocritical because they criticize idols for getting plastic surgery and throw hate in their direction. Plastic surgery is perfectly fine, accept the fact that your idol did it. It doesn’t mean they aren’t attractive. People should understand that plastic surgery is more normalized in Korea than anywhere else. So it’s very common if you’re a kpop stan to find out an idol has had some kind of work done. I’m not saying all of them have, but like... we all know Lisa has. But is there anything wrong with that? No, it’s her choice in the end. It doesn’t mean she’s fake or plastic and people need to stop stigmatizing plastic surgery.
I agree with you, and also lisa is really beautiful. She got 2nd most beautiful person in the world in 2020 and she's always had her pretty and funny facial expressions.
@@djbreadx exactly and even if she didn’t have any surgery, she would still be beautiful!!
facts!
Lisa # is face & eyes and hand
She's body too
FINALLY SOMEONES TALKING ABOUT IT
It's been a while i was planning to talk about it in a video regrouping other untalked stuff, but well.. she came first, if i do so people will call it plagiarism
@@Ohmyuna you shouldn’t care what people say you do you sis 😌
There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery. Everyone is beautiful in their own but if anyone wants to do surgery then they should do it if they feel better then. Ofc some idols have done plastic surgery but there is also this magical thing called ✨makeup✨ so some just have that. Anyways, like axiestan said: there is nothing wrong with surgery if the people who get the plastic surgery wanted it 💖💖💖
I think within the kpop fandom we need to stop caring about plastic surgery, but it worries me that non-kpop fans will use plastic surgery as an excuse to portray idols as artificial. Obviously, that’s an incorrect and most of all techno-orientalist opinion (watch bby gang’s video about orientalism and kpop) but I would be wary about talking about plastic surgery with locals.
The other sad thing about plastic surgery within the kpop industry that i dont see a lot of people talk about: the erasal of ethnic features. Korean people typically have low nose bridges and monolids over their counterpart. And I personally find those two features incredibly beautiful. But virtually every idol has had double eyelid surgery and nose bridge implants to get rid of it. Its almost as if theyre trying to look more european, which is incredibly sad in my opinion
random but i'm lowkey confused how no one is talking about *itzy's yuna's nose job* that she seemed to have had sometime in the past few months. it's subtle but still quite obvious if you compare her nose from debut - not shy era to award show season era late 2020 and itzy's newer content. her nose tip is smaller/more pointy, less bulky and her nostrils are higher. before anyone comes for me, yuna is my ult (how you could guess with my name lol) so this is not a hate comment and i don't want to shame her for that, i just noticed it. and my feelings are mixed tbh. like everyone can do with their own body what they want to. but firstly the fact that yuna had it when she was only 16/around her 17th birthday idk. like she isn't even an adult yet and fully "finished"? and yes, plastic surgery is legal (and also not that unusual) in south korea for underaged people if they get the permission from their parents. and secondly i just really hope that she herself wanted it and didn't feel pressured by the company and/or something/someone else. cause yuna did mention in the past that she thinks her nose looks "like a mountain" (i think she said it on weekly idol idk it was on a variety show). plus there have been some shitty articles in south korea talking about how yuna's visuals "faded" and that she was prettier when she debuted. umm hello? wtf though... being the visual must be pretty hard tbh especially for underaged idols, they always have to look their best. so i just hope yuna really did it for herself and not because of other people's opinions
Wait is it true yuna from itzy got nose job?
@@cookiesandcream8524 yeah i'm pretty sure cause her nose suddenly changed like that had nothing to do with puberty and maturing. but i kinda think she might just got nose fillers like that's an usual thing to do if you don't want to go completely under the knife. i mean i can't confirm anything but she definitely has done something to her nose if you compare her it from debut to now and it kinda makes me a bit sad tbh cause she really didn't need it but anyway :/
“LISA NEVER GOT SURGERY LEAVE HER ALONE” um she clearly did and we aren’t coming for her blinks, we are just stating the obvious :)
The change is so obvioussss. She went from really dark skin and cute proportions to what she is now.
@@vivianacrisolesutrilla9253 right, not surprised all idols are made to bleach their skin whiter, it’s nice seeing some with natural tan skin
her nose went from wide + flat with a slightly downturned bulbous tip, to a thin pointed upturned nose. that isn't puberty and people need to realise that.
@@linosundae literally 😭
Lisa looks very old than her age 😳
So much blinks are not accepting that lisa undergo some surgery
Come on is common for celebrities its not a crime
fr they act like us saying that "Lisa had surgery on her nose" is an insult when we aren't trying to insult her but trying to point of the obvious and it doesn't matter because Lisa is still beautiful no matter what but there is nothing wrong with having plastic surgery
I do accept that lisa got ps does'nt matter she is still beautiful
@Jimmy Fell on ik but people seem to deny Lisa having ps alot more than the other members
@Jimmy Fell on ik that Yg artists had work done but I admit that they did while other dont want to believe that their fav got ps done but honestly people dont have to be rude about it idk people hate on her for that when ps isn't even a bad thing as long as she feels confident with herself and her happiness is all that matters
@Jimmy Fell on I dont really care if any idols gotten surgery it's their choice I also got into kpop because of the music ps is nothing wrong or bad but it seems like some fans take it to be an insult when it's not
Funfact: You can actually change the shape of your jaw naturally depending on your diet and facial posture especially when sleeping. That can affect the strength of your skull positively as well
You may change how muscles and tendons are shaped, but you cant change bones
I think beyond the surgeries, a lot of predebut photos of idols are just... tragic in terms of hair and skincare compared to idols now. Idols have makeup engineered to make them look better so in some cases the makeup/hair also helps completely change them
The industry is so obsessed with perfection so everyone’s get something done and as long as they were ok with getting it and are happy with it then good for them but truly it’s non of our business You weren’t talking that fast pretty nice speed I won’t lie
one of the things you didnt mention was skin bleaching (not surgical but related i think). I think its very clear to me when idols have done it and we have to stop pretending that they naturally become bone white 😭
And to be honest, there's nothing such as "Natural beauty" in Kpop tho, just look at their flawless skin, Im not sure that those frikin' white smooth ass skin could be obtainable by just having some skincare routine, there's must be a high quality treatment behind it
++ kpoppies needs to STOP thinking that plastic surgery is a bad thing. Like, it's their body and not yours?? Let them get what they want duh
there’s nothing wrong with plastic surgery BUT i will say idols should have and need visuals and that’s a big part of being successful if we’re being realistic,, and honestly a lot of idols would look better if they’re faces were changed and there are a lot of idols that look a LOT better now than they did imo, sometimes it IS puberty and some hair changed etc, but sometimes it is rlly obvious, which isn’t rlly a bad thing, but it is a thing
i kinda agree
if the idols aren’t forced or pressured to get it then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. if it helps make people more comfortable
some people are just attractive i dont know why theres so much obsession with the idea of nobody in kpop being natural bc it just isnt true jfbdkcn like it isnt really necessarily always a matter of people hating the idea of their idol having gotten surgery but its just as much kind of just not fair to make that assumption
just one example: sunghoon - ENHYPEN. he was a popular figure skater before debut and he looks the absolute same before and after debut. insane.
Just for example : ATEEZ, just go and see their pre- debut photos.
literally every group has multiple members who've had stuff done to them. it's really hard to even think of idols who are actually all natural. some that come to mind are wekimeki's doyeon, somi, loona's hyunjin, amber, ateez' san and g-idle's shuhua, seventeen's vernon and mingyu. maybe some wayv members too? it's kinda sad that i ccan't think of many more since so many idols are already pretty to begin with. it's just that they have to be PERFECT.
I'm not sure but Momo from twice might be able to join that list. I saw a video of her from when she was around 14 and she looks exactly the same.
Ooohhh this is about to be long but I gotta get this off my mind now! I completely agree with what you said. I really have no problem with it mostly because the reason they do it is that it's normalized in SK. When this conversation gets out of hand to me is when the Kpop beauty standards start to be put on western female artists. This is something I have been seeing a lot lately on Twitter and it's getting gross. I remember like 3 months ago there was a long thread from a multi-girl group stan and the whole thread was comparing her favorite Kpop girl group idols to really popular western female artists. In the tweet the person was saying things like Dua Lipa has ugly skin and her fav has natural clean skin, Ariana has a crooked face and her fav has a perfect jawline, saying Doja cat is to fat to be pretty and said her idol was perfect because she has better-toned legs, said meg the stallion was too dark and her fav has pure pale skin. And the Meg the stallion one literally made me angry. Meg the stallion is an African American woman how can you make the comparison!? Then started putting up pictures of western female artist stretch marks and calling them fat and gross. And they mentioned many many more western female artist and they were really nasty body shaming and slut-shame type comments. I thought it was a troll account but the account had been opened since like 2010 and had over like 700ish followers. And what was worse was that a lot of girl group stans retweeted it and said things like “exactly! If these ugly western bitches would work as hard as my fav idols they would be pretty!” or one said something like “This is why my fav idol deserves western success more than ugly Lizzo! My fav is natural, skinny, pretty and can dance” like I love Kpop and I love girl groups but I will literally never abandon my Western Queens! I listen to Kpop for fun vibes but when I listen to western female music I'm listening for multiple things not only the fun vibes but some artist I'm listening for the message, and the fact that some of them are not all the same shape or have the same skin type or skin color. In western pop it's now more loving your body and women being free with their bodies and no slut-shaming. Like the individuality. But we all know it's not like that in Kpop yet. The Kpop companies are now letting go of cute concepts and switching to “confident girl crush” concepts to reach a western audience but I do not get the same level of conference from girl crush Kpop song as I do from say a Lizzo song or meg the stallion song. That was long but had to say it. Loved the video! ❤️
Almost forgot to mention in this is that people all over the world get cosmetic surgery done and for different reasons because beauty standards are different all around the world. So to compare the different standards like one is better than the others is unfair.
They act like only western women age, have stretch marks, skin problems etc. Thats fetishizing asians and its bad enough when men do it but now all sexes are sexist.
A lot of people in the comments section are saying it's ok to do a plastic surgery if it makes you feel more confident but.... The thing is people don't have to feel unconfident without one, it IS a problem to betray plastic surgeries as something completely fine. Because doing so you're never gonna get the point when changing your features in order to be accepted by unrealistic beauty standards will come to an end. Like, we shouldn't blame anyone for getting their nose done and stuff, but we also SHOULD NOT forget the industry of plastic surgery was made not for helping people with low self-esteem to become more confident, it was made to instill the certain standards among people (mostly women) to make them waste their money and not let them live without fear being judged for their real faces (because it's a great way to control them and it works, as you can see). Idk, just don't make it seem like doing surgeries is perfectly fine, it's a harmtful behavior, I guess that's my point.
Istg people just say Lisa had plastic surgery to hate on her and her visuals . Like if she had plastic surgery it’s ok
I don't think she would be able to have plastic surgery because yg bans it!
Yeah all of these crazy perfect body and face goals that Korean idols have makes us citizens feel more insecure about ourselves and not grateful for what we have..just to know you can be as pretty as idol and have that visual you're admiring of but u must get under knife to achieve it..but as we know it's an unrealistic dream for us. after all, we're not the ugly one .. we're average people just like any other idol would look like before they had surgery
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Also me in my head: *NeON dAhEuL dEUthAE I beTtER bE aRoUNd yOu*
One thing I’ve noticed is that people on both sides seem to reach. With idols who got surgery, people really exaggerate to argue that they’re natural. For idols who really are natural, people try to reach to say that they got something done. As someone who kind of won the genetic lottery visual wise (thanks mom and dad lol), I don’t and won’t ever fit everyone’s hard to achieve standards.
so what if they got plastic surgery?its stupid to hate it. hating it is also hating their choice.
i hate that idols don’t admit to it because it ads on to the unrealistic beauty standards
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I agree with this but it’s annoying when people claim people have surgery just by looking at one photo of an idol when they were young them automatically assume they have surgery and most photos of idols when young are photoshopped by toxic people I dislike how people assume then hate on the idol for no reason
Exact!. when I personally don't like ppl with surgeries done, someone comes to tell me "there is nothing wrong"
ok it's true, natural or made it beauty, both are fine, my main problem that many don't understand, is that I feel that in the world of kpop, and fame and all this. Many actors, artists, idols WANTS to fit the standards cuz they feel insecure. Not because they really want to, come on!
It is not the same when you want to have surgery but your security is there, when you have no security in yourself.
The thing about these beauty standards is that- apart from plastic surgery- there is nothing you can do to "achieve" them. You can't shrink your nose though exercise, or obtain a V line facial shape though hard work and dedication. Practice does not make perfect. Your face is what it is.
The fact that someone doesn't naturally fit the beauty mould should not be a deep dark secret. Nor should natural beauty be treated as a moral virtue. It's just luck.
I think what most people don’t understand about plastic surgery, is what it means to get it done. Everybody saying, “it’s not a bad thing!” “if it helps them feel confident why not?”. Literally, the whole point of plastic surgery is to fit the beauty standards of others. Nobody just wakes up and thinks, “hmm, I need a bigger nose.” No, they saw somebody with a pretty face and a bigger nose and now wants to have the same look. Plastic surgery is all about “fixing” parts on your body just so you won’t be judged by others, so no it’s not a good thing. It’s unnecessary, a waste of money and time, and CAN cause health risks in the future. Plastic surgery should only be needed for medical procedures, like trouble breathing through your nose or having a hard time seeing.
also i personally think plastic surgery isn’t horrible if i had the money i would definitely get a nose job and work on my jawline and i hate how stans act like they wouldn’t either
There‘s absolutely nothing wrong with plastic surgery and if it makes the idols more confident then we should support them!
agreed especially when you said the beauty standards will go nowhere but up literally
I relate to the part where you talked abt how our Mindset has changed too while watching these idols, like I started to think ppl with beautiful faces are attractive. I realized this not so long ago and have decided to stop thinking like this. It's really sad that idols have to live up to all these expectations and even if they try to get "perfect" they would be criticized over it. I hope ppl just become open minded abt this.
i think the issue is that we all care too much. i personally think that most idols have minimal plastic surgery (a little bit here, a little bit there, but nothing drastically appearance changing) but the truth is, that we all need to accept, is that we shouldn't really care as much. my fav got a nose job? okay? like... that has no relevance to anything. getting upset and defensive isn't going to change anything, just as accusing everyone of having it isn't going to change anything. if they got plastic surgery, it isn't our business. plus there's HUGE double standards, since pretty much every western singer has a slight lip filler or face lift or nose job, and nobody seems to care nearly as much as kpop stans do.
the one issue i have with surgery in the industry is the possibility of coerced/forced surgery, that the idols didn't want to get or were reluctant about. that's a discussion we need to have just as we discuss other issues within the industry, but almost never do.
But at the same time people who obviously changed because of puberty and better expensive treatments are treated like they did some surgery.
For eg, Wonyoung from iz*one was called out for 'having plastic surgery' while in reality wiz*ones have seen her grow up before our eyes, so of course we're gonna defend her. There are pics of her when she was 11 - 12 where she still looks the same. She also obviously used better products than before now that she's richer
honestly i'd rather hear it from the idols confirming they got surgery, even if not its no one of OUR business if they got surgery or not. in the end. plastic surgery isn't even a bad thing and is pretty normal in South Korea
Ok but the thing that annoys me the most is bleaching your skin a lighter colour like please no all skin colours are beautiful
I like how alot of fans get shocked when they find out an idol gets plastic surgery. Like duh of course the idol has gotten plastic surgery, because South Korea is a country where Plastic Surgery is commonly done. And knowing that I don't really care if an Idol gets plastic surgery, as long as they're happy with getting it.
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Actually this your pronunciation speed is what I wanna hear more in videos I watch anywhere because it's like we are actually talking to each other (but you can't hear me 😂). Please keep making videos with pronouncing speed like this
Sm shaved down giselles jaw so much,,,, she didnt even need it, she looked so good before as well as after
SM’s plastic surgery is just.. unnecessary. Like for Wendy, she was(arguably) prettier before. Not saying that she isn’t pretty, but the surgery felt unnecessary. I won’t go against it as it is her decision.
@@LilSigmaRatThing Also with Yuta.
Tbh I don't think they shaved it down, because she joined SM 11 months before her debut and the weight loss she went through was massive. Honestly her jaw still isn't chiseled nor is she as thin as the other girls. But a lot of sudden weight loss does take away the fat on your face.
I know most of the comparison is based off that one yearbook picture of her but there are a lot more videos and pictures and you can see the difference or rather lack of difference in those -
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@@lanna1966 Yuta didn't get a jaw shave, he got chin fillers during limitless era which were removed by Cherry Bomb Era. Tbh he looked horrible with it
@@snehaswati Whatever, he looks so different in Abormal Summit
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I read once someone that said they unstanned a group because some members had plastic surgery, like what??? That's their choice, it's none of your business and why does it bother you???.And this goes back to the, why having plastic surgery is bad??.
if that makes the idols more confidewnt about themselves i am up for it and i totally support it
also i’m early!! i’m excited to watch this because your videos are really good and unbiased :D
I don’t understand why people are so set on saying that their idol hasn’t had plastic surgery when it is clear they’ve had it and as if it was even BAD. Ppl need to chill out tbh
It's quite sad that a lot of people only focus on the idols face rather than their talents
When I see stans getting super defensive over plastic surgery claims it makes me so sad, cus if the idol had any surgery and saw their reaction they’d feel so bad about it.
I think it's such an important subject to talk about so such a great video. However i think that when we are talking about plastic surgery especially in korea we have to remind ourselves that plastic surgery was bring by American soldiers after the Korean war to "fix" their eyes to be closer to Occidental looks. Just thinking about that makes me really sad and mad
I want to be an idol and I want to correct my nose with plastic surgery, it would be a septumrinoplasty basicaly cuz well my nose was ok till my cousin hit me so hard that when I was 6 it basically moved and now my nose is out of place, u know some idols might had an accident or malfuntion in jaw, sometimes idols receive plastic surgey cuz they need it like me but thats the thing, in my case my nosr is moved and I have like a deformation in the nose bridge when before I didnt have it but if I get my nose corrected I will look almost the same but with a corrected nose, if u actually looked this before and after of this surgerys the change isnt that big, but then there are idol who before is like another person and that is scary.
I was at school looking up pictures of mamamoo, and my friend came up and said “wonder how much plastic surgery’s they got” I’m still mad
9:14 that is exactly what I wanted to say!! but couldn't put it into words thanks for this queen 😌✨
Tbh I don't know cause I'm myself pretty defensive when it comes to this. you won't believe that I got triggered when the screen showed my idol while you were talking even though I knew that it wasn't pointed at anyone. the standards are indeed too high. it messes up people's confidence like...nowdays people want more than their partner has, while the person is pretty average and ok. however, I hate people assuming and judging a specific person so I respect you for not doing that. Welp I hundred percent hate to admit, but some of the idols I favor might have done it. we can't ignore the hate received for doing plastic surgery though, it's their body and they still get hate for it. clearly there's some lines. but someone like Nayeon or Jennie(just two examples) look the same to me and it actually can make me believe that it's puberty changes. but then I still don't know. I think it's safe to say fans love their idols and dim them as perfection And they'll change their opinions and standards just for their idol to fit in.(they might not show hate and support but would be bothered inside, me as an example). for the visual, I just find whoever is graceful, beautiful,pretty or gorgeous the way they are without exception for the facial. can't have standards for that.
Makeup and weight loss don't change your bone structure. Gave me false hope but at least I lost the weight
oop i’m very late but still. what makes me even more angry is that people are crazy over “natural looks” rather than plastic surgery
natural beauty isn’t an achievement, all you have to do is to win the genetic lottery. for me, people with natural beauty and people who have done plastic surgery are equal
I'm not here for the face I'm here for the music and tbh when idols get plastic surgery I don't see how it's any of my business as it's their life so..🤷
Same
I actually catch myself thinking someone is not pretty because of Korean standards. Especially when I watch a rookie group for the first time. I hate being this way because I really didn't care what celebrities looked like before K-pop.
Some people need to mind their own business, South Korea is the capital of Plastic Surgery, most K-pop idols get something done, even braces can be considered a type of surgery lol. It's funny how idols get attacked for being "fake" & "plastic" it's none of your business why are people so mad
These idols don’t need plastic surgery but ur personnality does
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I really enjoyed this video. Your insights and honestly was nice to listen to and you had a lot of good points. I really agree with you on many things. This is a very interesting topic and should be talked about more. Thank you for bringing it up💛 you got a new subscriber!!!
omg semi new introooo, love it
One thing I never hear brought up in plastic surgery discussions is the idea that the "art" is only as good as it's "canvas" ("art" in the sense that cosmetic surgery is not only a medical skill but technically an art in itself). I hate comparing irl people to objects but I haven't got a better comparison, unfortunately.
A lot of ppl seem to want to defend their faves from plastic surgery rumors/accusations because they think it's others implying that their faves aren't naturally beautiful but tbh, it's hard to make someone look almost otherworldly-perfect (as most idols are) with surgery if they aren't already halfway there naturally lol
lmao idk why people be pressed with idols getting surgery, as long as the consented and like it, its all good
Sometimes the childhood/adolescent photos comparisons to fully formed adults are inaccurate to use as an identifier too. In my opinion, to be attractive, skin and hair(facial and head) care are much more important than the physical structure of the face. No offense but I find it unattractive when most of the stars have the same eyes and nose image, check out the Miss Korea pageant, they all look like an advertisement for the plastic surgery clinics. Having lived there for a while, it is really difficult to distinguish natural beauty between people who are considered beautiful. As for males, as long as one has enough testosterone, the jawline would naturally fill/square out, so less men choose to do any plastic surgery when they see their adult selves. Personally, I tried laser hair removal a couple of times for my face/beard(should have just left it in hindsight, even though it grew at the rate of a bear.) When I was in the clinic, the nurses and doctors asked who did the plastic surgery for my face, they found the straight nose/high bridge coupled with small single eyelid, square jaw compilation astoundingly weird. Obviously I didn't do any, but it was an enlightening experience on what they judge faces on for beauty standards. But don't be angry at the idols for choosing to go that route, they are under extreme pressure to stay attractive and climb the entertainment ladder, particularly the females are judged very harshly. And their careers are relatively short too, which makes them do things most of us would not need to do.
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I feel like people are a bit obsessed with beauty, being naturally beautiful is just luck, why would you send hate to someone because they were a bit unlucky when their face was being made? Also beauty, although it has a scientific side is just an opinion. For example, there are good and bad songs that are judged by a professional so we know there are good and bad songs but at the end of the day it's just an opinion and I think it works the same with beauty as well, right? I don't know though lol someone please tell me if this makes sense
can i just say i literally love your intro!!!
Vixxo’s channel has grown so much😭
Honestly i don't understand why people make a big deal out of it when it comes to idols getting plastic surgery i mean i m a kpop fan for more than 2 years probably i probably noticed a lots of kpop idols have plastic surgery I mean South korea has the highest ratio of plastic surgery per capital worldwide. Beauty standards in korea are really strict. South korea is well known for having strict beauty standards. Even many male idols who have plastic surgery too so keep in mind don't keep obsessing over their looks.
Wow, respect to you, i love that u did sich a big researched and managed not to offense anyone. Queen! 💕
I’m a moa and I admit without any problem that taehyun probably had something done to his nose because there’s literally nothing wrong with it. When I see people being aggressively defensive and deny it even tho it’s pretty obvious (just took at his pre debut pics,it’s not because of puberty) I just shake my head. Why treat plastic surgery as something bad?? why can’t we just normalize it? he looked good both ways but denying he had ps just seems disrespectful towards him, like if he did something wrong.
Also it is important to say: when talking about surgery, this is not the age of butched lips and shaping the bone etc anymore. So many noninvasive things, so many filter, not-everlasting results are possible so people who had surgery dont look like Katie Price anymore.
Beauty standards add to my anxiety, thats why i never really got to audition for a company even if i was really idk- motivated?
What song or dance is black pink performing at 0:40?
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It took me way too long to figure out that the stomping I was hearing was in the background of your vid and not my older brother going up and down the stairs 😔
plastic surgery is totally fine. the only thing i worry about is that sometimes plastic surgery can affect your singing... but it’s really up to each idol, plastic surgery isn’t a bad thing at all! 💕
I'm not mad about the idols having plastic surgery bcos that's their job to look good all the time. I'm mad at those stans saying their idols are au naturale 😂😭😭 ain't nobody got those with only puberty... lmao when you clearly can see the changes
I feel like there is nothing wrong with plastic surgery, it it is their own decision, if they are forced by their company, it is very sad
For me, I never compared myself to any beauty standard bc I learnt at an early age that it was made to make people feel superior/worse about themselves. Also, I'm not even east asian so I can't compare.
I really thought all idols were natural I was shocked
Thank you for making this, I totally agree
love your new intro 💕
I’m my opinion, If they’re happy with how they look after surgery, then good for them.
Maybe the nose thing when idols grow into their features because I had a bigger nose when I was young, now my face fits it perfectly. Like I grew into it. But maybe it’s just different genetics Idk it’s just my input
This is a rly d e e p topic to discuss and I was tbh wondering about it myself good job getting the point across very interesting facts and thoughts