so I see a cute little boat part at 14:53 that I don't know about up on the chain plates... the little triangulating brace between the jib tack and forestay. What's it called and what's it do? I have an 87 H16 with pretty original stuff and I'm new to the scene. Great channel though, without having watched your tutorial on how to tack properly and do a 3-point when boat speed goes south, I'd probably still be stuck upwind of my launch 2 weeks ago!
We use two chain plates on our forestay with a piece of shock cord attached to the top one so that when the jib is up, the elastic pulls the forestay away from the jib.
What about a Tiger ? Should we go on an reach with the spinnaker to add valuable more Speed or is better sail more upwind with both jib and Main traveller out waiting for the ultimate gust without the kite up?
On the Tiger (in my experience) for the highest speed, 2 sails is fastest. Put the daggerboards to the downwind position and apply exactly the same methods as in this video, perhaps with the traveller in a little more. Get as deep as possible while flying the hull double trapeze.
@@JoyriderTV where are you from? I love you videos. I'm new to the sailing world and I own a hobie cat 16....i started this summer July. I love it. I'm far from your experience ..... Far far away! I live in Italy and we sail in the Adriatic Sea!
Yes, These are the GPS devices that I use: 1 - Timex Ironman Global Trainer - very good as it’s really simple, you can customise what information you are being given so that you can use it effectively for different sports. Now discontinued but you can find them on ebay. I just had a quick look, this is the best deal i could find: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIMEX-Ironman-Global-Trainer-GPS-ANT-HRM-Heart-Rate-Monitor-Running-Watch-NEW/372367506997?epid=1062700174&hash=item56b2d53e35:g:ZAsAAOSwq~tZXAIA 2 - Locosys GW60 - the official watch of the GPS windsurf speedsailing association. More complex than the Timex but you get more statistical data such as speed over 2, 10 , 20 seconds or 500 meters. here is that one - www.locosystech.com/en/product/gps-watch-gw-60.html 3 - The GoPro cameras since the 5 have in built GPS which as available to use as an overlay on the video. 4- On the Iphone I occasionally use the Strava app. This works well and you immediately get the mad of where you've been. here is the video where I did a comparison between the different GPS’ Hobie 16 onboard - gps speed test th-cam.com/video/oiL7vrrRioI/w-d-xo.html
Are you starting from a slightly upwind position before sheeting out and bearing away or are you already at half wind and bearing away to a downwind course?
Just think if H-16's could be had just 8" longer (Only in the bow), I imagine it would help with speed runs. I remember in the 1980's someone made a small wing thing for the bows of H-16's, a little up angled wing thing on each bow, I think it was an anti pitch-pole invention... haha I would love to see it today. Joe. watching your videos makes me feel like I am sailing with an old friend mixed with an instructor, your channel is first rate mate 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
What does it feel like when the rudder stalls. Is it a Vibration or loss of directional control momentarily falling off downwind? As always another awesome Joyrider Experience. Thanks. Again I learned some more to try on my hobie 16
It feels like suddenly the rudders don't grip and the boat slows down - it's caused by an air pocket around the rudder - the same feeling as if someone threw a bucket off the back
Great video Joe! I recall some of your cat fleet (Tiger, FX1, and C2) have hull foot straps to prevent rear foot wash off. Have you tried or seen that on a Hobie 16?
Hi Steve, we never put straps on the 16 because they would drag in the water when on the leeward side. Maybe something very low profile set inboard a bit would work.
Find it really hard to use the back of the boat on the hulls in chop as your feet get washed off when you go fast. Less of a problem on your flat water.
yes, when we're in the bigger chop that we have here, on a beam reach, the foot does get washed a fair bit. On the mega broad reach, the bows are a bit more down which seems to keep the feet dry. On waves, i'm sure that my techniques will lead to some interesting capsizes!
Dear Mentor, I see that the main traveller is quite out ... does it means that you are sailing on a broad reach ? or instead are you sailing close hauled but with the traveller out to keep the boat down on the hull? or at this speed given one such an high apparent wind you trim the sails as if sailing close hauled ?
I'm setting the traveller so that i have the right amount of power to be able to pull the mainsheet in block to block. For upwind in these conditions i would have it about half way to the toe strap. In this example i'm mostly beam reaching, and when going more upwind i'm keeping the traveller in the same spot so that i'm ready for the next gust.
@Tim Beacham I'll start on a beam reach and then transfer healing force for more boat speed by turning more downwind - to get as broad as posible while keeping the hull in the air
David, your crew, will never e satisfied going slow again! Multihulls are the best.
This vid's awesomeness is only surpassed by its usefulness.
Thanks Joe!
👊😎
Thanks Steve!
nice video, easy to listen for non-native english speaker
Most excellent!
thanks!
Thank you for this video and all of your videos! Good stuff
My pleasure!
Super!
Epic!
Great video! 👍🏻😎
More beanz than Heinz!👍
so I see a cute little boat part at 14:53 that I don't know about up on the chain plates... the little triangulating brace between the jib tack and forestay. What's it called and what's it do? I have an 87 H16 with pretty original stuff and I'm new to the scene. Great channel though, without having watched your tutorial on how to tack properly and do a 3-point when boat speed goes south, I'd probably still be stuck upwind of my launch 2 weeks ago!
We use two chain plates on our forestay with a piece of shock cord attached to the top one so that when the jib is up, the elastic pulls the forestay away from the jib.
What about a Tiger ? Should we go on an reach with the spinnaker to add valuable more Speed or is better sail more upwind with both jib and Main traveller out waiting for the ultimate gust without the kite up?
On the Tiger (in my experience) for the highest speed, 2 sails is fastest. Put the daggerboards to the downwind position and apply exactly the same methods as in this video, perhaps with the traveller in a little more. Get as deep as possible while flying the hull double trapeze.
@@JoyriderTV where are you from? I love you videos. I'm new to the sailing world and I own a hobie cat 16....i started this summer July. I love it. I'm far from your experience ..... Far far away!
I live in Italy and we sail in the Adriatic Sea!
How do you keep track of your speed Joe? Is it the wrist piece?
Yes,
These are the GPS devices that I use:
1 - Timex Ironman Global Trainer - very good as it’s really simple, you can customise what information you are being given so that you can use it effectively for different sports. Now discontinued but you can find them on ebay. I just had a quick look, this is the best deal i could find:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TIMEX-Ironman-Global-Trainer-GPS-ANT-HRM-Heart-Rate-Monitor-Running-Watch-NEW/372367506997?epid=1062700174&hash=item56b2d53e35:g:ZAsAAOSwq~tZXAIA
2 - Locosys GW60 - the official watch of the GPS windsurf speedsailing association. More complex than the Timex but you get more statistical data such as speed over 2, 10 , 20 seconds or 500 meters.
here is that one - www.locosystech.com/en/product/gps-watch-gw-60.html
3 - The GoPro cameras since the 5 have in built GPS which as available to use as an overlay on the video.
4- On the Iphone I occasionally use the Strava app. This works well and you immediately get the mad of where you've been.
here is the video where I did a comparison between the different GPS’
Hobie 16 onboard - gps speed test
th-cam.com/video/oiL7vrrRioI/w-d-xo.html
Are you starting from a slightly upwind position before sheeting out and bearing away or are you already at half wind and bearing away to a downwind course?
I'll go through this in today's Q+A but in short - yes.
Just think if H-16's could be had just 8" longer (Only in the bow), I imagine it would help with speed runs. I remember in the 1980's someone made a small wing thing for the bows of H-16's, a little up angled wing thing on each bow, I think it was an anti pitch-pole invention... haha I would love to see it today. Joe. watching your videos makes me feel like I am sailing with an old friend mixed with an instructor, your channel is first rate mate 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thanks, i'm glad that it's hitting the spot!
www.murrays.com/product/01-3240/
@@smokinstang759 Nice! but i'm not getting one
Homefront was asking about them.
Hey, and how possibly are you able to tell there's another gust just ahead????
Looking at the water for a rougher patch which might appear shinier or darker
Yep, just looking at rougher and darker spots coming ahead. Common in the Greek sea... also coming unexpectedly for really nice pitchpoles..
What does it feel like when the rudder stalls. Is it a Vibration or loss of directional control momentarily falling off downwind?
As always another awesome Joyrider Experience. Thanks.
Again I learned some more to try on my hobie 16
It feels like suddenly the rudders don't grip and the boat slows down - it's caused by an air pocket around the rudder - the same feeling as if someone threw a bucket off the back
Great video Joe! I recall some of your cat fleet (Tiger, FX1, and C2) have hull foot straps to prevent rear foot wash off. Have you tried or seen that on a Hobie 16?
Hi Steve, we never put straps on the 16 because they would drag in the water when on the leeward side. Maybe something very low profile set inboard a bit would work.
Find it really hard to use the back of the boat on the hulls in chop as your feet get washed off when you go fast. Less of a problem on your flat water.
yes, when we're in the bigger chop that we have here, on a beam reach, the foot does get washed a fair bit. On the mega broad reach, the bows are a bit more down which seems to keep the feet dry.
On waves, i'm sure that my techniques will lead to some interesting capsizes!
Jo.....is this your job?
yes, it's a tough one but someone has to do it!
Tut... I wanted to like you so much! ;-} Great videos mate I'm a Dart sailor but learning a lot from you, thanks very much!
that sunburn tho
ouch!
I saw a solid 25 mph
It was certainly there!
Dear Mentor, I see that the main traveller is quite out ... does it means that you are sailing on a broad reach ? or instead are you sailing close hauled but with the traveller out to keep the boat down on the hull? or at this speed given one such an high apparent wind you trim the sails as if sailing close hauled ?
I'm setting the traveller so that i have the right amount of power to be able to pull the mainsheet in block to block. For upwind in these conditions i would have it about half way to the toe strap.
In this example i'm mostly beam reaching, and when going more upwind i'm keeping the traveller in the same spot so that i'm ready for the next gust.
@Tim Beacham I'll start on a beam reach and then transfer healing force for more boat speed by turning more downwind - to get as broad as posible while keeping the hull in the air
@@JoyriderTV is it fastest while flying a hull? Or to keep both hulls down planing water?
@@nathanbruneau1822 fastest is when the windward hull is just free of the water.
How could you predict the gust of wind?
You're looking for either rougher or shinier or darker looking water coming towards you.
Im 17, self taught sailor. Been sailing for 2 years. Thank you so much for the answer. Cant wait to try watching for this now!
Watch the water constantly and you’ll notice the signs of gusts!
Uhuuu!
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By the way, you are hauling ass in this one! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️