Don't forget the merch...They sell more merchandise than tickets...1. TV Deals 2.Merchandise 3. Ticket Sales 4. Coprorate Sponsorship....STOP BUYIING THE "B"....until they do something
I agree with your theory. But I find it depressing that when they find that gem in the rough (Mookie Betts) they don't keep them. What message does that send to those prospects in the farm system? We had the second basemen and big bat that we are desperately looking for and let him walk. If Pedroia were coming up today would we let him walk to?
I think they traded Betts because they were trying to get under the luxury tax and Dombrowski over spent to get a World Series. You don’t trade a generational talent and if you do you had better get a lot for them. That was an awful trade.
Well, I get your point. I'm more about building a roster of high character players. Winners. I do consider Mookie Betts a winner.. reality is Dodgers' have won one World Series with Betts on their roster.. since the trade.
@@edwardabdow5497 I believe that they offered Betts something in the neighborhood of $300MM and that he instead wanted to chase a $400MM deal in free agency. I also believe that they traded him with the intention of trying to resign him later. But... then came Covid lockdowns and the 2020 season was almost canceled entirely. Suddenly, Betts had new priorities and he took a bird in hand offer from the Dodgers that probably wasn't very different from the final Red Sox offer. Regardless of the finer details, don't forget the impact of the Covid response on the Mookie timeline.
Red Sox said it themselves, they need pitching and by only grabbing a 4th outfielder who hasn't seen glory since before the short season isn't enough. You want to not spend a trillion dollars a year, I get that. But in the early 2000's they spent money and they made money and grabbed 2 rings in a span of 5 years and was down to the wire the other years. It's hard for me as a fan to see premadonnas making 30mil a yr and have someone carry your luggage and seeing them smiling in the dugout when there down by 6 runs in the 7th. But thats as a fan. As a business man, I thought that ment you be a business man. Bloom couldn't piece together a winning team in 4 years by trading away all the bigger talent because that dont work in boston like it might a smaller market. Who's know what they doing. I still think ownership has lost interest in baseball and are focused elsewhere. I know from 2004 to 2012 the red sox and everything red sox was in demand. Even tho there were rings in 13 and 18, they just weren't as big. It's gonna be hard to see the Boston Red Sox go back to those loveable losers who just can't catch a break
I agree it is a number of things but on the no good free agents to give money to section... I'm not really sure they were all in on Yamamoto either so I'm not sure that's a reason. I think they see teams like the Rays sneak in the the postseason almost every year with a tiny payroll and they are reverting to their 2004 Moneyball years. I think they believe making it to the playoffs will get the fans off their backs and they don't need to dish out big dollars to do that. I think they are holding off until the prospects come up to make a run and then at that point they may reinvest in the team again. I think this is short sighted for a number of reasons but mainly because it delays success assuming that the prospects strike instead of complimenting them so that the pressure on them isn't as high. Also, money can't buy winning but it can improve a team without hurting the future. Just ask Pittsburgh they never put money in they have great young talent and that talent plays a lot of playoff games and wins awards... For other teams. (Bonds, Cole, etc.) I don't think they should throw money at people just to say they signed someone except Yamamoto I feel they should have but that's over so I get making shrewd moves now to get better but I don't see that either they are talking about bringing back Paxton as a move. Maybe it's not a bad move if there are two better pitchers to get so he's a 4 but if he's your 1-2 then that's not an improvement. Only time will tell but I think 2024 and 2025 will be like this unless we surprise and then ownership is forced to deal at the deadline but paying money vs trading prospects I would take the spending money any day because it doesn't rob your future as badly.
@@Versatilty he led the league with home runs given up and his era with Cleveland and LA was 6 and 7. Dude is done. It's going to turn into a horrible contract.
After all the big contracts the Sox ultimately gave the listed players, the won 4 championships. Surely, the overpaid players contributed to these championships, even if overall their numbers were not as great as we hoped for. Meanwhile the Red Sox are now owned by an increasingly complex corporate structure with a governance body that is most concerned about ROI than on the team’s statistics. Some of the owners were amused by stories of our elders who were diehard fans who passed away before 2004 and 2007. We fans lived and cried through that!! Watching the Red Sox these days is like watching the news every night waiting for Trump to be thrown in jail. When will it end? Like I wrote last year, we should be happy that the Red Sox won 4 Championships in our life time because it maybe our children who will pass away before their children get to see the Red Sox win another Championship. Meanwhile, I am going to root for the simpler and better owned Celtics and continue praying that Trump gets what he deserves. Even if I love baseball more than any other sport.
Ima be honest they don’t want to spend it’s been the same thing for 3 off-seasons. They want to win but without spending big or fair amount of money we have been outbid by many teams this offseason including the royals smh
Hey, but we got rid of the problem by firing Bloom, right? The fans who raged over Bloom need to apologize. Bloom was actually doing something 'To Move The Needle'. It was a longer-term plan since the owner will not RE-sign his his home-grown stars.
Bloom wasn’t good for what he was asked to do. Ex: Trevor story over bogarts was atrocious, or cluber for 10 million, or the mookie trade, or renfrow trade, or Vazquez trade
I think it’s because Henry knows fans are foolish enough to pack the stadium in those crampy seats to sing “sweet caroline” in the 8th inning, i haven’t been to a game in 3 years i don’t regret it i can go to a woosox game and have more fun then overpaying for a little league team.
I think they are continuing the process of building within. It has been their philosophy since Bloom came in. The problem with Bloom is he made too many mistakes and he was not aggressive at the trade deadline. The Sox want to run a team like Tampa with the ability to keep and sign their prospects and not trade them. I’m OK with that but you also need to spend. In case anyone hasn’t noticed the Rays have never won a World Series.
You are correct, you cant build anything if you make more stinky deals than good ones. When you add up all Bloom era deals, more than 60 percent devalued franchise talent. Sometimes you cant initially assess a deal. But in the case of Bloom's tenure there was enough historical data to indicate what he cooked generally tasted like S@#$%$. I dont hate anybody but it was time for a new thinker (chef).
They said they were going "all in" just to shut up the fans and give them false promises in an attempt to placate them. This has made the fans 100% more angry because we are fed up of the Boston frickin Red Sox acting like they have the budgetary constraints of the Marlins (except the marlins can actually slip into the playoffs). They don't care about winning or satisfying fans because they will still make an ungodly amount of money.
@@redseatradioI definitely agree that there is more to it, this offseason has been oddly strange and slow and its getting increasingly intense for all fanbases as they wait for their teams to make their moves (except for dodgers fans)
Possible alternative theories 1. John Henry has lost interest in the RS like Athletes and Baltimore owners 2. Henry is more concerned with other investments like the Bruins As a Buccaneers fan, I saw their owner buy an English soccer team. He pour most of his money in his soccer team at the Buccaneers' expense. The Buccaneers' attendance dropped like a rock causing mandatory NFL blackouts. They disappeared from sight.
Look, all of this probably has some relevancy, although I think it's mostly #1(my guess is the strategy is something like this: be good enough to win about 87 games. By season, come July, if it looks like it's gonna be less than that, trade for prospects; if it's looking better, trade for an asset at the deadline and make a push; be in the lottery. Once every 3 or 4 years it should work out for an extended playoff run, by odds alone). #2 is possible, at least at this point (but Yamamoto wasn't worth it? That makes me suspicious they think anyone is worth more than $25M a year. Sorry, it's not 2015, guys). I think #3 is true... but it's been true since the moment Dombo handed out extensions to Eovaldi and Sale (I still think those are what got him fired). But as you said, all of this is not an excuse. If they did all of this and were as successful as, say, Houston or Tampa, or hell, even Milwaukee (especially the consistency), no one would care. No one cared that the Patriots were near the lowest in the NFL in cash spending for years when they won. When you come in last 3 out of 4 years, AND aren't willing to spend, AND let several of your best players just walk (or traded for a Dan Shaughnessy sack o' doorknobs) AND your franchise is like the 4th most valuable/3rd highest tickets in baseball, well, you simply need to do better. Markedly better. I'm not sure they understand (esp. JH, since, for all we know he lives in a fortress in Antarctica now) how visceral-then-disinterested the fan reaction will be if they don't do something significant. Watch spring training be a low-turnout yawnfest, and then JH will glide into Fort Myers in March and disconnectedly-as-always start muttering obtusely about the dire economics of baseball and how the Sox don't really make that much money; then get irate and defiant after a reporter's question about why the Sox don't spend money anymore (and insist it's 100% fiction)... and then we won't see or hear from him again for four months. Something like that.
People are still annoyed we didn't get Yamamoto or Ohtani. Look, this isn't eBay. We could've offered a billion dollars, and he might still pick another team if he wanted to play there. A lot of Red Sox fans are impatient because the Front Office said we'd go 'Full Throttle'. Everyone thought we'd sign all the big free agents. But guess what? The top guys are Scott Boras' clients, and that dude's expensive. So, I get why the Red Sox may not sign them, especially with what you said, Corbin, about the Red Sox and long contracts. But man, letting Bogaerts and Betts go was a bad move. We should've given them long contracts. The Front Office really screwed up there, and it's adding to the fans' skepticism.
Yeah I think that’s truly the root of the biggest problems. If they were being careful on the open market but their core was solidified in Betts, Devers, and Bogaerts it would be way more digestible
For the sake of baseballs future they better hope the big spenders don’t win it all like dodgers/Yankees etc… because they just keep trying to buy WS championships and only a couple of teams have the revenue to pay them contracts and super teams have ruined basketball so let’s not let baseball be ruined
They are about 10 wins away from postseason- maybe they will spend, but want to spend wisely. Long view with 7-10 year deals are losing returns. I think trades are brewing?
All the points you made are valid, especially past starting pitchers not quite living up to their contracts, though admittedly 2013 and 2018 are major asterisks for Lackey and Price. I would add perhaps now that their portfolio is bigger it’s tougher to balance multiple franchises (maybe, maybe not), and a stronger point, they simply watch Tampa Bay and last year, Baltimore and see how much those franchises spend and where they end up. Add that with the new playoff format you mention and that would make sense.
It’s certainly possible that the Red Sox just want to sneak in, but I honestly believe it’s the other option, Henry doesn’t care about winning. I will admit that it is possible that they don’t see the guy they want, but it isn’t the way to make fans happy though.
@@redseatradio maybe, but he also knows that fans will still come because they are the Red Sox. Why spend money to improve the team, when you make a ton in just tickets, food and drink sales? Of course you’ll make far more by winning, and even more so by having a superstar in your clubhouse. But I’m not sure Henry sees it that way, he’s making money, and that’s all he cares about. As a NYY fan, I want the rivalry to be awesome, but the way it’s going, it won’t be, and that sucks.
I won't go to a Soxs game. Unfortunately turoist have no problem spending the money for a bad baseball team. I just get frustrated. Raise ticket prices, short the team. That's ugly, you can't say we are all in when your not willing to atleast try to spend the max payroll if you are a big time bal club. This club is more concerned about profit than wins.
Devil's Advocate Predictions indicate in three years the US Dollar of 2027 will be worth about one half it was in 2024. Gas will triple... more empty seats... The owners count on tickets and concession money, and maybe they can see the future...
"They are good business persons. And you make more money with a winning team." Yes. I can't figure out why they've put the brakes on spending. And the recent signing of Lucas Giolito seems like a decent move, but do I dare say they overpaid --- that's quite a bit for a pitcher with a career 500 win/loss record. Maybe fans like me are part of the problem --- I root for the Sox, win or lose. But I root for them more when they're winning. I like Blake Snell --- but what is his agent seeking? 250 million? It's not an easy call. Yamamoto and Shohei were always going to LA - and they will thrive there.
The problem is John Henry doesn't want to spend what it takes nowadays to get the post season and go deep. The first three WS rings in the 2000s were each won with a payroll of $150 million or less. The 2018 WS ring cost $237 million. Henry decided he wanted to keep the payroll at less than $200 million. NO MATTER WHAT. He doesn't care about fan boycotts as so many tourists come to the park that he has plenty of customers.
If they’re looking to win 85 games a year I’m just out on being a fan. I think there’s a few things going on. I think the first is, the pitching market has completely exploded. Starting Pitchers are pitching less than they’ve ever pitched before, and they are commanding more money than they’ve ever had before. Eflin got 3/40 Eovaldi got 2/34 with a vesting option. Now guys like Montgomery are asking for 6/160-180? Maybe the value just isn’t there when you consider how many injuries pitchers have and how much regression changes from year to year. Look at a guy like Giolito, are you comfortable betting on whatever that guy gives you? To me, I think you could have argued get Montgomery if you sign Yamamoto because that’ll open your championship window up, especially if Bello takes a leap. Because you didn’t get Yamamoto you really have no path towards contention unless everyone is hitting 80th percentile outcomes this year. I think if you look at the championship window for the Red Sox, the top 2-3 guys in terms of war are probably prospects rn unless devers gets better defensively. Maybe they’re sitting it out until their next window cracks open. No sense in tying up a bunch of money to slightly above average players. Last year 1 war was valued at somewhere between 5.5-7.5m so you want to big time overpay for 31 year olds and hope by the time your prospects hit their early prime there is still a little left in the tank, or have it be painful for another year or two and then really go all in? I think it makes sense but it sucks as a fan
1. Its not as easy for Sox to simply offer a coveted player a respectable contract and they sign it. Teams looking to upgrade pitching via free agency are going to pay premiums in order to jump in and land players. Players like Mongomery are going to receive 3-6 solid offers, so why should they sign with Redsox? So its going to take money and the Redsox are wise to not simply jump in, over pay, make a long-term deal mistake and add to the quicksand the team is now attempting to pull itself from. 2. Will signing two starting pitchers that will achieve era 's in the 3.90-4.40 range make the Redsox a legit contender? The answer is no. 3. I like to believe Redsox front office is serious about winning, but also recognizes it may not be achievable with 2 quick strokes of the pen. They likely have a plan and part of it involves not over reaching for players that may compromise their ability to contend at a future date. They may prefer to keep building and investing in deals that will help them when they are within striking distance of contention. That said I really like what the cardinals did bringing in Sonny Gray, Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson. All three deals are team friendly and they are getting pitchers that understand how to pitch in all types of situations. Even when Gray and kyle Gibson do not have their @*#$t working, they can adjust and gut out 6 innings and give up 3. So here is the big question........................... how does a team like the cardinals (71-91) land two legitimate starters on one year deals, but Red Sox cannot? I wish I knew the answer and would like to know what the Sox think of those deals, cause I predict Cards will hit on 2 or all 3 of those deals.
I haven’t been at Fenway since that day against Cleveland when Franchy Cordero had like 3 errors at 1st base. I was tired of that mediocre product. I will not spend another dollar at Fenway or will barely watch on NESN. This is BOSTON, not a small market team. Henry and his group need spend like it.
building the infrastructure of the park and surrounding real estate. Developing and extending prospects will be their mantra going forward. It may be a few lean years until they contend, however their deep pockets will allow them to remake the business model to a sustainable money making /printing operation that is at least good enough to play in October. As you pointed out, it is a game, and they should be post season bound most years. Doing so while being highly profitable, not paying CBT money, developing a talent pipeline, and adding value to the enterprise is a sound plan. Does not give me goose bumps short term however. It does potentially add to the bottom line, which shold be the goal of any business. Time for congress to rescind the anti-trust exemption.
The Red Sox have very bad luck in the John Henry Era of major free agent signings working out... Dan Duquette was much better at finding the right free agents.. Manny earned every bit of his contract.. so did Pedro
I trust Breslow has a plan to build this team to contend. Signing Lucas Giolito is a start. Trading Verdugo for more pitching and trading for O'Neill to replace Verdugo is a very good start to our off season. It makes no sense to sign pitchers long term if you can improve with players that will demand less in money. I still see a trade coming for a young controllable pitcher. I also see them signing a 2B and possibly OF Hernandez before spring training begins....
David Price was only good for 2 games in the 2018 ALCS and WS.. other then that he was garbage for the rest of his contract and fell right down the shitter in 2019 before he got traded
This might be a little down the line but i feel like the number one guy that Boston should be signing next off season is Gleyber Torres from the Yankees, he's going to be a free agent... he was the Yankees best hitter last season... I'm sure he's going to put up big numbers this season, and i doubt the Yankees are going to re sign him, because they're forces who be on signing Juann soto... as a matter of fact, i won't be surprise if the Yankees trade him b4 the deadline... Torres would make the lineup way better... what do you think?
I love Clevinger. Look at his career ERA. And he’s a lot cheaper then Snell or Montgomery..If this team continues to act like a small market team then they can take my season tickets and put them where the Sun don’t shine.
This entire offseason is annoying the crap out of me. I expected a lot of action after Yamamoto signed, but it's been crickets for all of the teams. Except for the Dodgers, no one is spending yet.
You make good points i will aay injuries happen to everyone yes even could occur to yamamoto. Also with Yamamoto hows he gonnna do against mlb? To me have to at least try anyway. But also corbin just sit there make playoffs hoping to get lucky and beat dodgers or any other more talented team not working. Want to change to open checkbook like i said to make money gotta spend money.
All that don’t stop the Yankees lol listen, I think thay made there choice when thay let betts go didn’t extend Bogaerts letting Schwarber walk just to name a few there happy with just making money at this point Fenway will always be filled and that’s all thay care about at this point it’s gonna be a while boys before we see a ring
The reason the Red Sox aren't spending money is because they don't have the core to put the money around yeah sure they have Rafael Devers and Tristan Cass or whatever his name is but at the same time that's not a good enough car you need to develop your core internally and then use your money and build around that cord that's how most of those Red Sox teams have won world championships outside of the one in 2019 that cheated which has already been proven
even if the team are trying to save money/ gain extra profits, to make the money you have to be competitive if not then the money you make from the fans will reduce. ok so slim pickings in terms of free agency but if you dont speculate then you wont improve and frankly after the last couple of seasons..... something needs to be done as we all know especially when it comes to pitching. if we get someone and it does not work out we can at least say we tried, but right now its more like the front office dont seem to be doing anything at all. this is never a good thing for a top tier team like ours
I think it has allot to do with the Fenway corners project and cost associated with it, No coincidence since they announced that project they’ve shed their payroll in half.
Do you think if we stay slow and don't spend that maybe we'll push some of the prospects to the league quicker and if so do you think that's good or bad for the team? Good vid Corbin thanks brotha!
Scott Boras is also holding up the market as Montgomery, Snell, Bellinger and many others right now are the his clients and Boras is known to wait it out.
The Sox are searching for young, controllable starting pitching. [Isn't everyone?] As an organization we've had an awful record drafting and developing pitchers. Ever wonder why that is??? We don't have many draftees, but the few have been good. (Lonborg, Lee, Clemens, Hurst, Lester) And there's the trades but not durable (Santiago, Culp. Siebert, Tiant, Wise, Eckerseley, Smith, Martinez, Sale) And free agents (Campbell, Schilling etc) You get the point... I can see why we're gun shy with free agent pitchers. But we've got to participate. It's how MLB is played today. Won't win unless you 'toe the rubber.' Let Breslow draft/develop promising arms. But now, let him trade some of our prospects and actively find the right free agents and go go go. Fight on multiple fronts. The market has been slow to develop. We have to be ready to make smart, strategic moves.
I am thinking the Red Sox lone "big free agent" target this off-season was Yamamoto.... Well, he's not coming... they still need more innings in the rotation... We will see what Breslow and Company can come up with.
They want to be more like the Houston Astros.. let’s face it they are the model franchise when it comes to success in spending vs results.. I get it. They have absolutely got burned on some pitching contracts. Remember when they didn’t extend D Lowe and Pedro after the curse breaker? Just tossing that out as interesting. I totally agree that these free agent pitchers are going to get overpaid. Let’s get creative , I feel this team is not far away from being really good …let’s go!
I don’t think there’s a conspiracy here, I’m with the thought process there’s no one worth big money this time around. Mixed with the fact that the Sox aren’t quite ready to go all out. I’d say they’re more than 2 or 3 players away from being a competitive team.
I’m sure the moronic Raffi Devers deal has something to do with it. He’s not a team leader, has awful defense, is not clutch, and has a terrible baseball IQ. Yea he can crush the ball but w/e.
The quality of what's out there is good but not the money they are asking good . I say pull some guys of the scrap heap and see if we get lucky with them and all the young arms we have. And that's the reason we obtined Breslow... We do have some diamonds that just need polishing
I think they're gun shy.. And I don't blame them, to be honest.. What this team needs is two pitchers that can throw six innings a piece.. An infield that can play defense.. It doesn't really matter what their names are.. Their order in the rotation will figure itself out..
@@redseatradio Thanks for the reply. I'm just so disappointed because they said they'd be spending money to improve the team and it looks like they're not going to. I hope they're just holding their cards close to the vest.
I don't mind not wild spending on FA, i prefer a good trade, but FA to fill a big hole is good, like the signing of JD, he filled a huge hole. Having said that, i really pray they sign Monty. They haven' evaluated the FA well, like signing Story, injured, Price was a lousy signing, i could care less that he helped win the WS , his overall stay was lousy. They need better evals.
Your ideas on the subject make sense Corbin. I would be pretty leary too. Who wants to give out big contracts and have injuries derail it all? Its not as simple as taking out ones check book. An expensive long term deal can cripple a ball club and limit their ability down the road to sign others. As you know I am very much in favor of home grown talent. The better your player development system the less money spent on expensive free agents. I am actually patient enough to wait until young talent comes up in general. I am thrifty enough that I would bring up some of our top prospects and try them at the major league level rather than pay out huge amounts of moolah that in the end will be our undoing.
The thing is there are players that they can sign that are good where they don’t have to go crazy spending. They seem like they have no interest at all. I mean for what the Dbacks signed Gurriel for we could have easily got him. 2B there is Merrifield,Frazier, hell we talked about Brandon Drury he could play 2nd. It’s weird cause FSG is spending the limit with the Penguins.
I think its just the exact same concerns that fans have. The fans don't want to get nothing for something. Owners really dont want to get nothing for something.
some of it is they know they have a great team in the making from the farm system. paying yamamoto 400 million $ is a huge gamble. snell on a short term deal is a good idea. most of the ones that have been scooped up are way too much to spend. giving up the future in prospects for one player like burnes is foolish too. knowing teams in the division are gonna be hard to beat but the sox have the making of being a great homegrown team a year of 2 out!
I generally agree with you but as you know inaction equals looking like cheapskates. I'm still thinking they'll eventually make a big splash but as time goes on the fan base is getting very impatient. 1 or 2 free agency pickups and 1 or 2 trades will hopefully make everyone feel better.
Wish I knew what their thinking is on spending and winning but I dont think what they are doing will lead to any success in the long run. Agree with your analogy Corbin! Still hoping to be surprised as the off season ends. I dont care if its a big expensive name that does not mean wins just good players who give it thier all. In the end those are where winning comes from as they become the next stars. Staying positive go Red Sox!!
I would be concerned if we approached spring training with no major addition to improve this roster thus far most teams this off season have made trades and maybe a few minor signings of players but the biggest spenders this off season is the Dodgers, this off season in free agency been very amonious a lot of false reports on who team's are targeting FA, Including the Red Sox meeting with Yamamoto etc, I think we should pack our patience and see what happens. Corbin said it a few weeks ago before we get ready to grab our pitch fork's and go crazy we understand the Red Sox have time but not a lot of time if they do nothing heading into spring training then we can say ownership needs to sell the team etc
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People need to stop buying tickets. Pretty sure John H. and company understand that.
Definitely. "see how it plays out" is itself played out... I'm putting em in timeout for 2024 season. Will buy 0 🎟.
Don't forget the merch...They sell more merchandise than tickets...1. TV Deals 2.Merchandise 3. Ticket Sales 4. Coprorate Sponsorship....STOP BUYIING THE "B"....until they do something
John Henry is a cheap bastard and he needs to sell the team.
You’re being too generous on these owners they just want to be cheap and just be and mediocre team because they know fans will still fill the ballpark
I agree with your theory. But I find it depressing that when they find that gem in the rough (Mookie Betts) they don't keep them. What message does that send to those prospects in the farm system? We had the second basemen and big bat that we are desperately looking for and let him walk. If Pedroia were coming up today would we let him walk to?
Pedroia was a bit of a unique player where he took a cut to stay here a long time
I think they traded Betts because they were trying to get under the luxury tax and Dombrowski over spent to get a World Series. You don’t trade a generational talent and if you do you had better get a lot for them. That was an awful trade.
I agree, pedroia would have not have been re-signed.
Well, I get your point. I'm more about building a roster of high character players. Winners. I do consider Mookie Betts a winner.. reality is Dodgers' have won one World Series with Betts on their roster.. since the trade.
@@edwardabdow5497 I believe that they offered Betts something in the neighborhood of $300MM and that he instead wanted to chase a $400MM deal in free agency. I also believe that they traded him with the intention of trying to resign him later. But... then came Covid lockdowns and the 2020 season was almost canceled entirely. Suddenly, Betts had new priorities and he took a bird in hand offer from the Dodgers that probably wasn't very different from the final Red Sox offer. Regardless of the finer details, don't forget the impact of the Covid response on the Mookie timeline.
Red Sox said it themselves, they need pitching and by only grabbing a 4th outfielder who hasn't seen glory since before the short season isn't enough. You want to not spend a trillion dollars a year, I get that. But in the early 2000's they spent money and they made money and grabbed 2 rings in a span of 5 years and was down to the wire the other years. It's hard for me as a fan to see premadonnas making 30mil a yr and have someone carry your luggage and seeing them smiling in the dugout when there down by 6 runs in the 7th. But thats as a fan. As a business man, I thought that ment you be a business man. Bloom couldn't piece together a winning team in 4 years by trading away all the bigger talent because that dont work in boston like it might a smaller market. Who's know what they doing. I still think ownership has lost interest in baseball and are focused elsewhere. I know from 2004 to 2012 the red sox and everything red sox was in demand. Even tho there were rings in 13 and 18, they just weren't as big. It's gonna be hard to see the Boston Red Sox go back to those loveable losers who just can't catch a break
they should sell the team and get some one who cares about the team. Maybe fans just should not show up to the stadium for 10 or more games
Just sell the team 👍
Simple ownership has turned their heads to other interests
I agree it is a number of things but on the no good free agents to give money to section... I'm not really sure they were all in on Yamamoto either so I'm not sure that's a reason.
I think they see teams like the Rays sneak in the the postseason almost every year with a tiny payroll and they are reverting to their 2004 Moneyball years. I think they believe making it to the playoffs will get the fans off their backs and they don't need to dish out big dollars to do that. I think they are holding off until the prospects come up to make a run and then at that point they may reinvest in the team again. I think this is short sighted for a number of reasons but mainly because it delays success assuming that the prospects strike instead of complimenting them so that the pressure on them isn't as high. Also, money can't buy winning but it can improve a team without hurting the future. Just ask Pittsburgh they never put money in they have great young talent and that talent plays a lot of playoff games and wins awards... For other teams. (Bonds, Cole, etc.)
I don't think they should throw money at people just to say they signed someone except Yamamoto I feel they should have but that's over so I get making shrewd moves now to get better but I don't see that either they are talking about bringing back Paxton as a move. Maybe it's not a bad move if there are two better pitchers to get so he's a 4 but if he's your 1-2 then that's not an improvement.
Only time will tell but I think 2024 and 2025 will be like this unless we surprise and then ownership is forced to deal at the deadline but paying money vs trading prospects I would take the spending money any day because it doesn't rob your future as badly.
Totally agree here versatility
@@redseatradio well they got Giolito that's a start even though it's an odd contract. I think he's the right kinda guy for AB though
@@Versatilty he led the league with home runs given up and his era with Cleveland and LA was 6 and 7. Dude is done. It's going to turn into a horrible contract.
After all the big contracts the Sox ultimately gave the listed players, the won 4 championships. Surely, the overpaid players contributed to these championships, even if overall their numbers were not as great as we hoped for. Meanwhile the Red Sox are now owned by an increasingly complex corporate structure with a governance body that is most concerned about ROI than on the team’s statistics. Some of the owners were amused by stories of our elders who were diehard fans who passed away before 2004 and 2007. We fans lived and cried through that!! Watching the Red Sox these days is like watching the news every night waiting for Trump to be thrown in jail. When will it end? Like I wrote last year, we should be happy that the Red Sox won 4 Championships in our life time because it maybe our children who will pass away before their children get to see the Red Sox win another Championship. Meanwhile, I am going to root for the simpler and better owned Celtics and continue praying that Trump gets what he deserves. Even if I love baseball more than any other sport.
Ima be honest they don’t want to spend it’s been the same thing for 3 off-seasons. They want to win but without spending big or fair amount of money we have been outbid by many teams this offseason including the royals smh
They didn’t get outbid by the royals lol and if your idea of big spending is Seth Lugo…yikes
@@redseatradio not a big signing but it’s a pitcher we could’ve used. I hope things change but I don’t see it happening
Hey, but we got rid of the problem by firing Bloom, right? The fans who raged over Bloom need to apologize. Bloom was actually doing something 'To Move The Needle'. It was a longer-term plan since the owner will not RE-sign his his home-grown stars.
So, what was the point of changing Bloom for Breslow if it was to go for the sneak-in the playoffs with 86 wins strategy ?
Bloom wasn’t good for what he was asked to do. Ex: Trevor story over bogarts was atrocious, or cluber for 10 million, or the mookie trade, or renfrow trade, or Vazquez trade
I think it’s because Henry knows fans are foolish enough to pack the stadium in those crampy seats to sing “sweet caroline” in the 8th inning, i haven’t been to a game in 3 years i don’t regret it i can go to a woosox game and have more fun then overpaying for a little league team.
Okay
I thought they weren’t spending because John Henry was almost broke. But then they spent 3 billion dollars on golf so now I don’t know
Yeah that was definitely not it
I think they are continuing the process of building within. It has been their philosophy since Bloom came in. The problem with Bloom is he made too many mistakes and he was not aggressive at the trade deadline. The Sox want to run a team like Tampa with the ability to keep and sign their prospects and not trade them. I’m OK with that but you also need to spend. In case anyone hasn’t noticed the Rays have never won a World Series.
Yeah and you need to be able to 1. Keep the players they develop and 2. They need to be able to supplement with successful signings
They didn't even successfully do that, they let Boegarts go because they were too cheap to extend him
You are correct, you cant build anything if you make more stinky deals than good ones. When you add up all Bloom era deals, more than 60 percent devalued franchise talent. Sometimes you cant initially assess a deal. But in the case of Bloom's tenure there was enough historical data to indicate what he cooked generally tasted like S@#$%$. I dont hate anybody but it was time for a new thinker (chef).
Wrong! They just want to try to win without long term contracts not like Tampa!!
@@rayr4320 Right! Imagine letting Evoaldi and Wacha walk away and signing Kluber for $10 million!!
Because they are scammers
The Red Sox are a full time bridge year franchise with no interest in winning
They said they were going "all in" just to shut up the fans and give them false promises in an attempt to placate them. This has made the fans 100% more angry because we are fed up of the Boston frickin Red Sox acting like they have the budgetary constraints of the Marlins (except the marlins can actually slip into the playoffs). They don't care about winning or satisfying fans because they will still make an ungodly amount of money.
Possibly or maybe there’s more to it. That’s what this video is about
@@redseatradioI definitely agree that there is more to it, this offseason has been oddly strange and slow and its getting increasingly intense for all fanbases as they wait for their teams to make their moves (except for dodgers fans)
Possible alternative theories 1. John Henry has lost interest in the RS like Athletes and Baltimore owners 2. Henry is more concerned with other investments like the Bruins As a Buccaneers fan, I saw their owner buy an English soccer team. He pour most of his money in his soccer team at the Buccaneers' expense. The Buccaneers' attendance dropped like a rock causing mandatory NFL blackouts. They disappeared from sight.
Yeah those are definitely possible theories
Look, all of this probably has some relevancy, although I think it's mostly #1(my guess is the strategy is something like this: be good enough to win about 87 games. By season, come July, if it looks like it's gonna be less than that, trade for prospects; if it's looking better, trade for an asset at the deadline and make a push; be in the lottery. Once every 3 or 4 years it should work out for an extended playoff run, by odds alone). #2 is possible, at least at this point (but Yamamoto wasn't worth it? That makes me suspicious they think anyone is worth more than $25M a year. Sorry, it's not 2015, guys). I think #3 is true... but it's been true since the moment Dombo handed out extensions to Eovaldi and Sale (I still think those are what got him fired). But as you said, all of this is not an excuse. If they did all of this and were as successful as, say, Houston or Tampa, or hell, even Milwaukee (especially the consistency), no one would care. No one cared that the Patriots were near the lowest in the NFL in cash spending for years when they won. When you come in last 3 out of 4 years, AND aren't willing to spend, AND let several of your best players just walk (or traded for a Dan Shaughnessy sack o' doorknobs) AND your franchise is like the 4th most valuable/3rd highest tickets in baseball, well, you simply need to do better. Markedly better. I'm not sure they understand (esp. JH, since, for all we know he lives in a fortress in Antarctica now) how visceral-then-disinterested the fan reaction will be if they don't do something significant.
Watch spring training be a low-turnout yawnfest, and then JH will glide into Fort Myers in March and disconnectedly-as-always start muttering obtusely about the dire economics of baseball and how the Sox don't really make that much money; then get irate and defiant after a reporter's question about why the Sox don't spend money anymore (and insist it's 100% fiction)... and then we won't see or hear from him again for four months. Something like that.
Yeah it’s a combo of not winning and not spending. There is not a single thing to excite people and it’s infuriating
People are still annoyed we didn't get Yamamoto or Ohtani. Look, this isn't eBay. We could've offered a billion dollars, and he might still pick another team if he wanted to play there. A lot of Red Sox fans are impatient because the Front Office said we'd go 'Full Throttle'. Everyone thought we'd sign all the big free agents. But guess what? The top guys are Scott Boras' clients, and that dude's expensive. So, I get why the Red Sox may not sign them, especially with what you said, Corbin, about the Red Sox and long contracts. But man, letting Bogaerts and Betts go was a bad move. We should've given them long contracts. The Front Office really screwed up there, and it's adding to the fans' skepticism.
Yeah I think that’s truly the root of the biggest problems. If they were being careful on the open market but their core was solidified in Betts, Devers, and Bogaerts it would be way more digestible
For the sake of baseballs future they better hope the big spenders don’t win it all like dodgers/Yankees etc… because they just keep trying to buy WS championships and only a couple of teams have the revenue to pay them contracts and super teams have ruined basketball so let’s not let baseball be ruined
Well it’s not like baseball hasn’t seen it before and it will force other teams to spend which would ultimately be better for baseball in my opinion
Boycott,I agree
Yankee fan here Monty is a 3 at best good pitcher though
Yeah but he’s gonna get paid like a 1
Maybe there is a big move that will be made. Who knows. Keep up the good work too, Corbin!
I wouldn’t be betting on it but there is still a ton of time! Thanks Austin!
They are about 10 wins away from postseason- maybe they will spend, but want to spend wisely. Long view with 7-10 year deals are losing returns. I think trades are brewing?
Yeah that could be it too
All the points you made are valid, especially past starting pitchers not quite living up to their contracts, though admittedly 2013 and 2018 are major asterisks for Lackey and Price. I would add perhaps now that their portfolio is bigger it’s tougher to balance multiple franchises (maybe, maybe not), and a stronger point, they simply watch Tampa Bay and last year, Baltimore and see how much those franchises spend and where they end up. Add that with the new playoff format you mention and that would make sense.
Totally agree
Neither Tampa Bay nor Baltimore won a Championship.
It begins. Lucas Giolito is now a Redsox. 6 ft 6 inches tall. 4.8 era, 204 strikeouts. Okay.. That works. Andrew Bailey lets sharpen him up a bit.
It’s certainly possible that the Red Sox just want to sneak in, but I honestly believe it’s the other option, Henry doesn’t care about winning. I will admit that it is possible that they don’t see the guy they want, but it isn’t the way to make fans happy though.
He’s too good of a businessman to not care about winning
@@redseatradio maybe, but he also knows that fans will still come because they are the Red Sox. Why spend money to improve the team, when you make a ton in just tickets, food and drink sales?
Of course you’ll make far more by winning, and even more so by having a superstar in your clubhouse. But I’m not sure Henry sees it that way, he’s making money, and that’s all he cares about.
As a NYY fan, I want the rivalry to be awesome, but the way it’s going, it won’t be, and that sucks.
I won't go to a Soxs game. Unfortunately turoist have no problem spending the money for a bad baseball team. I just get frustrated. Raise ticket prices, short the team. That's ugly, you can't say we are all in when your not willing to atleast try to spend the max payroll if you are a big time bal club. This club is more concerned about profit than wins.
who else saw this video after the sox just signed giolito. it's better than something
Devil's Advocate Predictions indicate in three years the US Dollar of 2027 will be worth about one half it was in 2024. Gas will triple...
more empty seats...
The owners count on tickets and concession money, and maybe they can see the future...
"They are good business persons. And you make more money with a winning team." Yes. I can't figure out why they've put the brakes on spending. And the recent signing of Lucas Giolito seems like a decent move, but do I dare say they overpaid --- that's quite a bit for a pitcher with a career 500 win/loss record. Maybe fans like me are part of the problem --- I root for the Sox, win or lose. But I root for them more when they're winning.
I like Blake Snell --- but what is his agent seeking? 250 million? It's not an easy call. Yamamoto and Shohei were always going to LA - and they will thrive there.
The problem is John Henry doesn't want to spend what it takes nowadays to get the post season and go deep. The first three WS rings in the 2000s were each won with a payroll of $150 million or less. The 2018 WS ring cost $237 million. Henry decided he wanted to keep the payroll at less than $200 million. NO MATTER WHAT. He doesn't care about fan boycotts as so many tourists come to the park that he has plenty of customers.
If they’re looking to win 85 games a year I’m just out on being a fan. I think there’s a few things going on. I think the first is, the pitching market has completely exploded. Starting Pitchers are pitching less than they’ve ever pitched before, and they are commanding more money than they’ve ever had before. Eflin got 3/40 Eovaldi got 2/34 with a vesting option. Now guys like Montgomery are asking for 6/160-180? Maybe the value just isn’t there when you consider how many injuries pitchers have and how much regression changes from year to year. Look at a guy like Giolito, are you comfortable betting on whatever that guy gives you? To me, I think you could have argued get Montgomery if you sign Yamamoto because that’ll open your championship window up, especially if Bello takes a leap. Because you didn’t get Yamamoto you really have no path towards contention unless everyone is hitting 80th percentile outcomes this year. I think if you look at the championship window for the Red Sox, the top 2-3 guys in terms of war are probably prospects rn unless devers gets better defensively. Maybe they’re sitting it out until their next window cracks open. No sense in tying up a bunch of money to slightly above average players. Last year 1 war was valued at somewhere between 5.5-7.5m so you want to big time overpay for 31 year olds and hope by the time your prospects hit their early prime there is still a little left in the tank, or have it be painful for another year or two and then really go all in? I think it makes sense but it sucks as a fan
1. Its not as easy for Sox to simply offer a coveted player a respectable contract and they sign it. Teams looking to upgrade pitching via free agency are going to pay premiums in order to jump in and land players. Players like Mongomery are going to receive 3-6 solid offers, so why should they sign with Redsox? So its going to take money and the Redsox are wise to not simply jump in, over pay, make a long-term deal mistake and add to the quicksand the team is now attempting to pull itself from. 2. Will signing two starting pitchers that will achieve era 's in the 3.90-4.40 range make the Redsox a legit contender? The answer is no. 3. I like to believe Redsox front office is serious about winning, but also recognizes it may not be achievable with 2 quick strokes of the pen. They likely have a plan and part of it involves not over reaching for players that may compromise their ability to contend at a future date. They may prefer to keep building and investing in deals that will help them when they are within striking distance of contention.
That said I really like what the cardinals did bringing in Sonny Gray, Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson. All three deals are team friendly and they are getting pitchers that understand how to pitch in all types of situations. Even when Gray and kyle Gibson do not have their @*#$t working, they can adjust and gut out 6 innings and give up 3. So here is the big question........................... how does a team like the cardinals (71-91) land two legitimate starters on one year deals, but Red Sox cannot? I wish I knew the answer and would like to know what the Sox think of those deals, cause I predict Cards will hit on 2 or all 3 of those deals.
I haven’t been at Fenway since that day against Cleveland when Franchy Cordero had like 3 errors at 1st base. I was tired of that mediocre product. I will not spend another dollar at Fenway or will barely watch on NESN. This is BOSTON, not a small market team. Henry and his group need spend like it.
building the infrastructure of the park and surrounding real estate. Developing and extending prospects will be their mantra going forward. It may be a few lean years until they contend, however their deep pockets will allow them to remake the business model to a sustainable money making /printing operation that is at least good enough to play in October. As you pointed out, it is a game, and they should be post season bound most years. Doing so while being highly profitable, not paying CBT money, developing a talent pipeline, and adding value to the enterprise is a sound plan. Does not give me goose bumps short term however. It does potentially add to the bottom line, which shold be the goal of any business. Time for congress to rescind the anti-trust exemption.
Henry brought a few titles. Now he's collecting money. With all of his franchises. I mean $30 a month for NESN?? Go suck it, Johnny!
The Red Sox have very bad luck in the John Henry Era of major free agent signings working out... Dan Duquette was much better at finding the right free agents.. Manny earned every bit of his contract.. so did Pedro
Why bother spending $ when they see fans show up fans need to stop showing up stop buying merch and they will realize you need to spend $ to make $ -
I trust Breslow has a plan to build this team to contend. Signing Lucas Giolito is a start. Trading Verdugo for more pitching and trading for O'Neill to replace Verdugo is a very good start to our off season.
It makes no sense to sign pitchers long term if you can improve with players that will demand less in money. I still see a trade coming for a young controllable pitcher. I also see them signing a 2B and possibly OF Hernandez before spring training begins....
They aren't spending because they don't care about winning. Stop going to the games in protest. That will fix the issue.
To just make playoffs is nort winning! The goal should always be World Series. Sell the team!
David Price was only good for 2 games in the 2018 ALCS and WS.. other then that he was garbage for the rest of his contract and fell right down the shitter in 2019 before he got traded
This might be a little down the line but i feel like the number one guy that Boston should be signing next off season is Gleyber Torres from the Yankees, he's going to be a free agent... he was the Yankees best hitter last season... I'm sure he's going to put up big numbers this season, and i doubt the Yankees are going to re sign him, because they're forces who be on signing Juann soto... as a matter of fact, i won't be surprise if the Yankees trade him b4 the deadline... Torres would make the lineup way better... what do you think?
Your idea that there is no good matches make no sense. Boston has been passing up players for years now that they needed.
I love Clevinger. Look at his career ERA. And he’s a lot cheaper then Snell or Montgomery..If this team continues to act like a small market team then they can take my season tickets and put them where the Sun don’t shine.
Listen the first rule of business let me tell you business 101to make money you must spend money he wants to make money without spending money.
REASON>>>>>CHEAP...CHEAP...CHEAP....CHEAP....CHEAP....CHEAP....
This entire offseason is annoying the crap out of me. I expected a lot of action after Yamamoto signed, but it's been crickets for all of the teams. Except for the Dodgers, no one is spending yet.
The worst front office in sports. I've never been more disgusted with this ownership group!!!!!
You make good points i will aay injuries happen to everyone yes even could occur to yamamoto. Also with Yamamoto hows he gonnna do against mlb? To me have to at least try anyway. But also corbin just sit there make playoffs hoping to get lucky and beat dodgers or any other more talented team not working. Want to change to open checkbook like i said to make money gotta spend money.
All that don’t stop the Yankees lol listen, I think thay made there choice when thay let betts go didn’t extend Bogaerts letting Schwarber walk just to name a few there happy with just making money at this point Fenway will always be filled and that’s all thay care about at this point it’s gonna be a while boys before we see a ring
The reason the Red Sox aren't spending money is because they don't have the core to put the money around yeah sure they have Rafael Devers and Tristan Cass or whatever his name is but at the same time that's not a good enough car you need to develop your core internally and then use your money and build around that cord that's how most of those Red Sox teams have won world championships outside of the one in 2019 that cheated which has already been proven
Maybe having three number twos is not too bad over the course of the whole season as long as they stay healthy.
It’s not at all
Now I'm hearing that Luis Castillo might be available for trade.@@redseatradio
Corbin it’s like beating your head against a brick wall . Are you making content for the sake of it.!
even if the team are trying to save money/ gain extra profits, to make the money you have to be competitive if not then the money you make from the fans will reduce. ok so slim pickings in terms of free agency but if you dont speculate then you wont improve and frankly after the last couple of seasons..... something needs to be done as we all know especially when it comes to pitching. if we get someone and it does not work out we can at least say we tried, but right now its more like the front office dont seem to be doing anything at all. this is never a good thing for a top tier team like ours
I think it has allot to do with the Fenway corners project and cost associated with it, No coincidence since they announced that project they’ve shed their payroll in half.
I'm waiting for Giolito video!!!
20 minutes
@@redseatradio
YESSSS!!!!!
Maybe ownership just doesn't have the money
Looks to me like Tom Werner's comments about going "full throttle" in the offseason are nothing but hot air.
John Henry is try to pay huge for a Soccer player 700 million looks it up make sense
Red Seat Radio the Red Sox did something do signing Lucas Giolito
I think theres a definite possibility the team is or will be for sale in the future and getting the payroll under control is a selling point
Where ok, we’ve got Bartolo Colon under contract.
because the owners are tight ass and are spending on the other pro sports
Super-yacht fuel is expensive.
who is here after the red sox signed lucas giolito
It’s better then what the jays have got IKF💀💪🙏
Do you think if we stay slow and don't spend that maybe we'll push some of the prospects to the league quicker and if so do you think that's good or bad for the team? Good vid Corbin thanks brotha!
Yeah I would think there is going to be some fast tracking
Go Dombrowski go Phillies.
John henery should sell the team
Signed Giolito to a 2 yr deal
Scott Boras is also holding up the market as Montgomery, Snell, Bellinger and many others right now are the his clients and Boras is known to wait it out.
Oh yeah he’s definitely slowly getting everything together
they are the tampa rays north
The Sox are searching for young, controllable starting pitching. [Isn't everyone?] As an organization we've had an awful record drafting and developing pitchers. Ever wonder why that is???
We don't have many draftees, but the few have been good. (Lonborg, Lee, Clemens, Hurst, Lester) And there's the trades but not durable (Santiago, Culp. Siebert, Tiant, Wise, Eckerseley, Smith, Martinez, Sale) And free agents (Campbell, Schilling etc) You get the point...
I can see why we're gun shy with free agent pitchers. But we've got to participate. It's how MLB is played today. Won't win unless you 'toe the rubber.' Let Breslow draft/develop promising arms. But now, let him trade some of our prospects and actively find the right free agents and go go go. Fight on multiple fronts. The market has been slow to develop. We have to be ready to make smart, strategic moves.
Totally agree with this Joe
I am thinking the Red Sox lone "big free agent" target this off-season was Yamamoto.... Well, he's not coming... they still need more innings in the rotation... We will see what Breslow and Company can come up with.
Yeah I would agree
NESN needs a complete overhaul with the Red Sox. Boring product and people tune out.
Yeah they’ve been having viewship issues
They want to be more like the Houston Astros.. let’s face it they are the model franchise when it comes to success in spending vs results.. I get it. They have absolutely got burned on some pitching contracts. Remember when they didn’t extend D Lowe and Pedro after the curse breaker? Just tossing that out as interesting. I totally agree that these free agent pitchers are going to get overpaid. Let’s get creative , I feel this team is not far away from being really good …let’s go!
Totally agree Mark!
I don’t think there’s a conspiracy here, I’m with the thought process there’s no one worth big money this time around. Mixed with the fact that the Sox aren’t quite ready to go all out. I’d say they’re more than 2 or 3 players away from being a competitive team.
Yeah that’s kind of what I was eluding to here
I’m sure the moronic Raffi Devers deal has something to do with it.
He’s not a team leader, has awful defense, is not clutch, and has a terrible baseball IQ.
Yea he can crush the ball but w/e.
God awful take
The quality of what's out there is good but not the money they are asking good . I say pull some guys of the scrap heap and see if we get lucky with them and all the young arms we have. And that's the reason we obtined Breslow...
We do have some diamonds that just need polishing
Yeah I could see them doing that
Excuse me Corbin, do we know for sure how much and for how msny years they offered for Yamamoto or not at all? Thank you and great points!
Not for sure, but it wasn’t matching the top 3 offers
I think they're gun shy.. And I don't blame them, to be honest.. What this team needs is two pitchers that can throw six innings a piece.. An infield that can play defense.. It doesn't really matter what their names are.. Their order in the rotation will figure itself out..
It could for sure but it’s nice to have some certainties in there
There fixing to land Teoscar Hernández
Hope so
You think they will wait for sasaki and try and build up to that point?
It’s possible
No one has spent other than the dodgers. We need to chill out. Free agency just started
100% there’s plenty of time to right the ship
Corbins takes the video down now that they signed him😂
Nah it’ll stay up lol
I want them to spend, but spend SMARTLY. We need pitching more than anything. That being said, I hope they do go after Merrifield to play 2B.
Looks like their are looking to trade for second which I actually think is the smarter move and I am with you there they need to spend smartly
@@redseatradio Thanks for the reply. I'm just so disappointed because they said they'd be spending money to improve the team and it looks like they're not going to. I hope they're just holding their cards close to the vest.
I don't mind not wild spending on FA, i prefer a good trade, but FA to fill a big hole is good, like the signing of JD, he filled a huge hole. Having said that, i really pray they sign Monty. They haven' evaluated the FA well, like signing Story, injured, Price was a lousy signing, i could care less that he helped win the WS , his overall stay was lousy. They need better evals.
Yeah I agree I think spending wild money can be dangerous but if done right it’ll be wildly beneficial
I'll always remember that original JD signing occured in March. There might just be the same deal here.
Your ideas on the subject make sense Corbin. I would be pretty leary too. Who wants to give out big contracts and have injuries derail it all? Its not as simple as taking out ones check book. An expensive long term deal can cripple a ball club and limit their ability down the road to sign others. As you know I am very much in favor of home grown talent. The better your player development system the less money spent on expensive free agents. I am actually patient enough to wait until young talent comes up in general. I am thrifty enough that I would bring up some of our top prospects and try them at the major league level rather than pay out huge amounts of moolah that in the end will be our undoing.
The thing is there are players that they can sign that are good where they don’t have to go crazy spending. They seem like they have no interest at all. I mean for what the Dbacks signed Gurriel for we could have easily got him. 2B there is Merrifield,Frazier, hell we talked about Brandon Drury he could play 2nd. It’s weird cause FSG is spending the limit with the Penguins.
I think its just the exact same concerns that fans have. The fans don't want to get nothing for something.
Owners really dont want to get nothing for something.
some of it is they know they have a great team in the making from the farm system. paying yamamoto 400 million $ is a huge gamble. snell on a short term deal is a good idea. most of the ones that have been scooped up are way too much to spend. giving up the future in prospects for one player like burnes is foolish too. knowing teams in the division are gonna be hard to beat but the sox have the making of being a great homegrown team a year of 2 out!
We are waiting for the Free Agency dollar store to open. I like your breakdown of past Free Agents and how most haven't worked out.
red sox ownership is tone deaf
1000%
I generally agree with you but as you know inaction equals looking like cheapskates. I'm still thinking they'll eventually make a big splash but as time goes on the fan base is getting very impatient. 1 or 2 free agency pickups and 1 or 2 trades will hopefully make everyone feel better.
Yeah they just need to make moves and people will not dwindle as much on it
Wish I knew what their thinking is on spending and winning but I dont think what they are doing will lead to any success in the long run. Agree with your analogy Corbin! Still hoping to be surprised as the off season ends. I dont care if its a big expensive name that does not mean wins just good players who give it thier all. In the end those are where winning comes from as they become the next stars. Staying positive go Red Sox!!
Agreed Dennis!
I would be concerned if we approached spring training with no major addition to improve this roster thus far most teams this off season have made trades and maybe a few minor signings of players but the biggest spenders this off season is the Dodgers, this off season in free agency been very amonious a lot of false reports on who team's are targeting FA, Including the Red Sox meeting with Yamamoto etc, I think we should pack our patience and see what happens. Corbin said it a few weeks ago before we get ready to grab our pitch fork's and go crazy we understand the Red Sox have time but not a lot of time if they do nothing heading into spring training then we can say ownership needs to sell the team etc
Yeah they definitely have time to make some big moves for sure I just don’t think it’ll be the big contract Sox fans have been looking for