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Egyptian authorities will always try to blame anybody but their pilots and/or airlines. When researching a crash, I generally discount much of what Egyptian authorities might add.
in Egypt, pilots are basically seen as gods, like athletes and celebrities are in America, I think this is why Egypt virtually never blames pilots even if pilot error is a cause or contributing factor in crashes being investigated by Egyptian authorities
This can also be applied to EgyptAir 990. The Egyptians kept saying that the aircraft elevators malfunctioning was the reason why the jet slammed into the Atlantic, while a lot of others (myself included) have become convinced that one of the pilots intentionally ended over 200 lives.
On top of that, the L.A. Superior Court sided with the Egyptian authorities. I mean, what the hell?! Egypt is still doing this, mind you. I sight EgyptAir Flight 804, a plan that crashed due to smoking... No, I'm not yanking on your chain, it was the cockpit crew smoking that crashed the plane that killed everyone on board.
Fun fact: this airplane used to belong to Color Air, a subsidiary of color line, a popular ferry company in Norway. The airline entered a pricewar with Braathens and SAS, which almost bankrupt the two during the late 90s. They were also accused of having faulty or mismanaged parts in their fleet, so i guess that this stuck when the aircraft came in possesion of Flash Airlines.
Hi, every crash the Airlines and the aircraft manufacturer legal teams go into a legal battle due to the losses of life and aircraft are costly. Its a shame we are just a number to them.
My point exactly! Remembering an Egypt Air flight out of NY with suicide pilot. The Egyptian authorities apparently have great difficulty sucking up the truth. Just tell the Egyptians what they want to hear. That'll do.
happened to Lauda Air after the crash of 1 of 2 boeing 767s in Thailand. But they managed to survive for several more years and even expanded their fleet to include a 777
I remember this particular crash. I had been wondering if you would be covering it. Thank you for yet another great video highlighting these tragic airline events.
The reason is the pilot suffer from a spiral disorientation, but the Egypt investigator still believe the crash was caused due to mechanical failure Spiral disorientation: The inability of a pilot to correctly interpret aircraft attitude, altitude or airspeed in relation to the Earth or other points of reference. This happen when pilot fly in a big cloud or in the dark
Great video again ! Found you just a week ago and already binged half of all videos. Would love if you could do the Concorde Flight 4590 crash since United announced they signed a deal to buy Supersonic Planes.
He could have been afraid to speak up and potentially contradict the captain; aviation culture used to be very hierarchical where the captain's word was law and you did what he wanted. In western/central Europe and the US in the modern day we have training that emphasizes the safety of the aircraft and its passengers in the form of CRM, which teaches that everyone on the flight deck is equally allowed to speak up about any perceived issue without fear. In places that aren't as influenced by Europe & USA, they tend to have a more 'old fashioned' culture, in which an arrogant and overconfident captain could dress down his FO for asking "stupid questions" and largely get away with it. I can't recall the exact flight number at this moment, but I seem to remember a China airlines flight where this is on full display..
i never watched the full episode of it. thanks for uploading. and RIP the pasengers. i tink the pilot tought that the plane was banking. but the pilot turned and staled the plane into the red sea. i realy want to know if the pilot had vertigo.
I look forward to every one of your videos. You should keep using 3D modeling of the plane to show what happened in the crash. It helps with understanding what happened
Still in Moscow military aviation school they teach what Egyptians done with the mig21 and soukhoi in 6th of October was against the mirage and fantoms Egyptians pilots done what soviets didn't do or knew the jets are capable to do U can find on TH-cam videos for x Soviets army generals speaking about how Egyptians flew the jets and even israiles them selves said the same
When I heard the crew list included the much younger.... I thought then how often there is a significant or just note worthy difference not only in age but also experience between the captain and the first officer.
In the instrument graphics eg: at 9:17 , there are no flight director bars displayed. If I was hand flying manually, on a moonless night, over a black ocean, I would be darn sure that the flight director was engaged for appropriate guidance.
I remember a story told in the nat geo about one family that was supposed to be on the flight yet due to the youngest child being a baby, the dad & mom didnt want the hazzle of the way early departure. When the hotel personel checked the hotel which had the most guest flying flash staying, when they knocked & he opened the one staff called the boss & broke down in tears.
I'm not a pilot nor an aeronautical engineer, nor an aerobiologist (if such a term exists), but re spatial disorientation, if you're flying in total blackness, say a moonless night over the ocean aren't your eyes on the instrumental panel anyway? Can you get this condition just after takeoff and making a hard bank? Damn! Is there testing for pilots who may have vertigo? I just can't imagine a pilot being unsure which way is up and down after takeoff! If he hit the wrong controls and/or was not monitoring his controls and lacked the competence to recover is one thing, but vertigo after takeoff? He is in a plane banned from operating in certain countries. Remember the above says this plane's firm was once busted for not having oxygen for the captain. Depending on all the places this tour service flew I can easily understand spatial disorientation if the pilot is trying to fly 30,000 feet and can't breathe! No oxygen for the pilot! Controls that didn't work? I can easily understand the Egyptians (re vertigo) wanting to protect the pride of their pilots, BUT the problem is they would/should have known the rep of this company. Wasn't their own country responsible for governing the maintenance of these planes? If you're not going to maintain the plane at even a minimum level don't blame the manufacturer! Even a well manufactured plane and an excellent crew can't overcome lack of maintenance. Too bad the problem wasn't found. Talk about spatial disorientation, then there is blackout. I've seen on TH-cam fighter jet pilots pulling a lot of Gs and blacking out. Just thinking about it freaks me out! You're in a cockpit and you suddenly wake up in these strange surroundings, falling out of the sky! WTF! The twilight zone! You talk about mental recovery speed. Damn! These guys altitudes are so high I guess they have time to recognize, reset, and recover. I do recall the above pilot wanting to go straight to auto-pilot. I don't blame him. V-1, Rotate, Auto-Pilot for the vertigo challenged. Again, I don't think this pilot had vertigo, and I don't think the plane manufacturers were at fault, it was probably a non working critical part that probably should have been replaced during regular maintenance schedules that was not observed.
@@kirilmihaylov1934 I wasn't afraid of flying until I started watching plane disaster videos and reading about them a few years ago. Seems like it doesn't take much to lose control of a plane.
Every aircraft accident involving Egypt, always is blamed on mechanical failures. Surprisingly the Egypt registered aircrafts only are this mechanically bad. Huh.
My money's on the Egyptian explanation. It's far simpler than the French and satisfies Occam's Razor. With the knowledge that this airline was cutting corners and the plane itself had a history of maintenance faults...it's certainly not impossible for the plane's controls to fail and perhaps the flight instruments also
It's weird my uptake of plane crash videos has upped lately. Wonder if my future flight is having an impact on my subconscious lol. But if there's one single takeaway I've learned from your videos. It's that Egyptian officials don't like admitting to blame/fault
5:10 "Sharm el SHEIK" "شرم الشيك" 🤣🤣🤣 Well, it's actually Sharm el Sheikh (شرم الشيخ). As an Arabic speaking individual myself, I find it funny about how the city is portrayed as "Sharm el Sheik" on the map.
@@brain.eating.amoeba Yes, I think the pilot flew his plane right into a Himalayan mountain or was it the Alps. However, I do know the one you are speaking of.
I trust that this isn't your intention, but listing the nationalities of the passengers makes it seem like it makes the crash worse or has any bearing, again I obviously know that is not how you meant for it to be interpreted as, but I'm just saying someone might. (I've seen it before in your videos too)
It's probably because it's relevant. You'll notice that flights with many American passengers often have the better quality investigations done by the authorities, but when the nationalities of the passengers are mostly "third world" investigators are happy to rush the job.
This is perhaps the most ambiguous plane crash video i have seen. One where no clear reasons have been provided. Ofcourse i don't blame the channel, but the investigation itself. Also i couldn't make any sense of the captain's comment "look what it did there". Whts that supposed to mean.
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I would, if I had money....
Egyptian authorities will always try to blame anybody but their pilots and/or airlines. When researching a crash, I generally discount much of what Egyptian authorities might add.
in Egypt, pilots are basically seen as gods, like athletes and celebrities are in America, I think this is why Egypt virtually never blames pilots even if pilot error is a cause or contributing factor in crashes being investigated by Egyptian authorities
This can also be applied to EgyptAir 990. The Egyptians kept saying that the aircraft elevators malfunctioning was the reason why the jet slammed into the Atlantic, while a lot of others (myself included) have become convinced that one of the pilots intentionally ended over 200 lives.
Just like the Chinese they will never accept liability.
like flihgt 804, egyptian authorities have not released their report at ALL
On top of that, the L.A. Superior Court sided with the Egyptian authorities. I mean, what the hell?! Egypt is still doing this, mind you. I sight EgyptAir Flight 804, a plan that crashed due to smoking... No, I'm not yanking on your chain, it was the cockpit crew smoking that crashed the plane that killed everyone on board.
Fun fact: this airplane used to belong to Color Air, a subsidiary of color line, a popular ferry company in Norway. The airline entered a pricewar with Braathens and SAS, which almost bankrupt the two during the late 90s. They were also accused of having faulty or mismanaged parts in their fleet, so i guess that this stuck when the aircraft came in possesion of Flash Airlines.
That IS a fun fact!
Never heard that before, sounds intriguing.
But you forgot Heliopolis airlines and Mediterranian airlines had it before flash got their hands on it
@@skylineXpert Heliopolis airlines became flash airlines!
Egypt has a habit of never blaming their pilots for pilot-caused crashes
Hi, every crash the Airlines and the aircraft manufacturer legal teams go into a legal battle due to the losses of life and aircraft are costly. Its a shame we are just a number to them.
Like the Netherlands.
egypt 990 this crash yea i can see that
Apparently, it's an honour thing. According to the Air Crash Investigation episode on flight 603, Egypt holds pilots in very high esteem.
My point exactly! Remembering an Egypt Air flight out of NY with suicide pilot. The Egyptian authorities apparently have great difficulty sucking up the truth. Just tell the Egyptians what they want to hear. That'll do.
Tough to keep your airline operating when you lose half your planes in one crash.
happened to Lauda Air after the crash of 1 of 2 boeing 767s in Thailand. But they managed to survive for several more years and even expanded their fleet to include a 777
@@ImperialDiecast the pilots could have never saved it. the catastrophic thrust reverser deployment in flight was too much. its sad
@@ImperialDiecast In the Laud air incident they were able to establish that it was a technical malfunction though.
I used to watch breakdowns into dam failures but airplanes are quickly becoming my most watched type of disaster thanks to your channel.
I switch to dam failures and similar only if I have an upcoming flight!
What channels do you like for dam failures?
I remember this particular crash. I had been wondering if you would be covering it. Thank you for yet another great video highlighting these tragic airline events.
Thanks for watching
Oddly enough these videos make me get over my fear of flying and wanna be a aircraft engineer
Go for Airbus or Locheed.
Boeing only employes cheap workers.
@@jarigustafsson7620 What about smaller companies like Cessna or Bombardier?
@@Caesim9 I worked for bombardier 5 times between 1998 to 2015 and each time i was told it was a job for life......
I, too, have been watching crashes to get over a slight fear of flying as I’ve not flown in years. Strange, isn’t it?
I watch these on my way to flight school 😂
The reason is the pilot suffer from a spiral disorientation, but the Egypt investigator still believe the crash was caused due to mechanical failure
Spiral disorientation: The inability of a pilot to correctly interpret aircraft attitude, altitude or airspeed in relation to the Earth or other points of reference. This happen when pilot fly in a big cloud or in the dark
Great video again ! Found you just a week ago and already binged half of all videos. Would love if you could do the Concorde Flight 4590 crash since United announced they signed a deal to buy Supersonic Planes.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Flash Airlines Flight 604
For some reason I always mistook this accident for EgyptAir Flight 990, which doesn't help when both accidents are disputed.
I thought the same too! I was looking for the EgyptAir livery, and then it hit me like a ton of bricks! Wrong airline!
Wow! That's all i can say i hope the people who died are resting in peace RIP
I do not understand why the co-pilot failed to take command after checking the artificial horizon/attitude indicator?
He could have been afraid to speak up and potentially contradict the captain; aviation culture used to be very hierarchical where the captain's word was law and you did what he wanted. In western/central Europe and the US in the modern day we have training that emphasizes the safety of the aircraft and its passengers in the form of CRM, which teaches that everyone on the flight deck is equally allowed to speak up about any perceived issue without fear. In places that aren't as influenced by Europe & USA, they tend to have a more 'old fashioned' culture, in which an arrogant and overconfident captain could dress down his FO for asking "stupid questions" and largely get away with it. I can't recall the exact flight number at this moment, but I seem to remember a China airlines flight where this is on full display..
@@ryjelsum i think it was pakistan airlines
@@ImperialDiecast I think similar incidents took place at both airlines, so we're both maybe right
The Tenerife crash was caused by an arrogant Dutch KLM captain.
i never watched the full episode of it. thanks for uploading. and RIP the pasengers. i tink the pilot tought that the plane was banking. but the pilot turned and staled the plane into the red sea. i realy want to know if the pilot had vertigo.
You have done an excellent job on this one. I particularly enjoyed the upgraded visuals. Thank you!
Great video. . . . . .thank you for uploading and sharing!
Excellent video as always, Chloe!
Thank you!
Keep up the good work man!👍
I prefer that he shares the good work rather than keeping it.
I always look forward to you saying where are my Cheetos
I look forward to every one of your videos. You should keep using 3D modeling of the plane to show what happened in the crash. It helps with understanding what happened
Your videos are the highlight of the weekend!
Wow, thank you!
@@DisasterBreakdown it was pilot error .they lost orientation where they were.
Not a pilot,never flown as I have a debilitating fear for some odd reason but I love this channel!
It looks pilot error . Egypt pilots have not good record of operating aircrafts
Still in Moscow military aviation school they teach what Egyptians done with the mig21 and soukhoi in 6th of October was against the mirage and fantoms
Egyptians pilots done what soviets didn't do or knew the jets are capable to do
U can find on TH-cam videos for x Soviets army generals speaking about how Egyptians flew the jets and even israiles them selves said the same
@@хайсамомаров not true
When I heard the crew list included the much younger.... I thought then how often there is a significant or just note worthy difference not only in age but also experience between the captain and the first officer.
Vertigo is the sensation of spinning. When you suffer a vertigo attack all you can do is lie down and wait for it to pass.
Very well presented
In the instrument graphics eg: at 9:17 , there are no flight director bars displayed. If I was hand flying manually, on a moonless night, over a black ocean, I would be darn sure that the flight director was engaged for appropriate guidance.
I remember a story told in the nat geo about one family that was supposed to be on the flight yet due to the youngest child being a baby, the dad & mom didnt want the hazzle of the way early departure.
When the hotel personel checked the hotel which had the most guest flying flash staying, when they knocked & he opened the one staff called the boss & broke down in tears.
Great content man keep it up !
Wow! What another amazing video!
I did subscribe great videos man
I'm not a pilot nor an aeronautical engineer, nor an aerobiologist (if such a term exists), but re spatial disorientation, if you're flying in total blackness, say a moonless night over the ocean aren't your eyes on the instrumental panel anyway? Can you get this condition just after takeoff and making a hard bank? Damn! Is there testing for pilots who may have vertigo? I just can't imagine a pilot being unsure which way is up and down after takeoff! If he hit the wrong controls and/or was not monitoring his controls and lacked the competence to recover is one thing, but vertigo after takeoff? He is in a plane banned from operating in certain countries. Remember the above says this plane's firm was once busted for not having oxygen for the captain. Depending on all the places this tour service flew I can easily understand spatial disorientation if the pilot is trying to fly 30,000 feet and can't breathe! No oxygen for the pilot! Controls that didn't work? I can easily understand the Egyptians (re vertigo) wanting to protect the pride of their pilots, BUT the problem is they would/should have known the rep of this company. Wasn't their own country responsible for governing the maintenance of these planes? If you're not going to maintain the plane at even a minimum level don't blame the manufacturer! Even a well manufactured plane and an excellent crew can't overcome lack of maintenance. Too bad the problem wasn't found.
Talk about spatial disorientation, then there is blackout. I've seen on TH-cam fighter jet pilots pulling a lot of Gs and blacking out. Just thinking about it freaks me out! You're in a cockpit and you suddenly wake up in these strange surroundings, falling out of the sky! WTF! The twilight zone! You talk about mental recovery speed. Damn! These guys altitudes are so high I guess they have time to recognize, reset, and recover.
I do recall the above pilot wanting to go straight to auto-pilot. I don't blame him. V-1, Rotate, Auto-Pilot for the vertigo challenged. Again, I don't think this pilot had vertigo, and I don't think the plane manufacturers were at fault, it was probably a non working critical part that probably should have been replaced during regular maintenance schedules that was not observed.
This is one reason I don't fly on airlines at night. I like the flight crew to be able to see!
Night is more risky yes
Especially flying over mountains or the ocean at night. Sends a shiver up my spine just thinking about it.
@@SK-qu4wo yes me too . Actually most big crashes have happened at night
@@kirilmihaylov1934
I wasn't afraid of flying until I started watching plane disaster videos and reading about them a few years ago. Seems like it doesn't take much to lose control of a plane.
@@SK-qu4wo yes it doesn't . Yet most people think it is very easy and unrisky to fly which is NOT true
So tragic.
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
They took off from Shamrock Shake?
The greenest airport, but sadly only available around early March every year.
I have a question about something not mentioned in the video. I assume the black box and the voice recorder were eventually found?
Both found, with recoverable data, per another video. Their information was used in preparing the final accident report.
Probably not a good idea to watch your videos when i don't like flying and have to get on a plane in a few days
Blatant pilot error combined with vertigo is most likely the course for this accident.
I will fly tomorow night, and this video made me kinda scared of the flight....
@endtimes 4sure he didn't reply!!!!!! Fuck!!
Every aircraft accident involving Egypt, always is blamed on mechanical failures. Surprisingly the Egypt registered aircrafts only are this mechanically bad. Huh.
There are more planes at the bottom of oceans and seas then submarines in the skies.....
Sharm El Sheik? Maybe Sharm El Sheikh?
Impacting the water at that speed, at least no one on board suffered
of course it was accidental, do many pilots deliberately crash their planes?
Not many but it’s normally called pilot suicide there’s a video about it on this channel what about an Indonesian plane crashing to the ground
My money's on the Egyptian explanation. It's far simpler than the French and satisfies Occam's Razor. With the knowledge that this airline was cutting corners and the plane itself had a history of maintenance faults...it's certainly not impossible for the plane's controls to fail and perhaps the flight instruments also
A complete loss of control at low level with a loss of instruments would be vanishingly unlikely.
Why accidents caused by Egyptian pilots are always obscure?
Wait,could this also be the reason on why China Eastern Flight 5735 came down?
It wasn't at night like this flight so probably not
What sim are u using?
Yes
Wish that u play the real cvrs or atc recordings
where possible he does
as he mentioned in this video they were not available for the public to access
I have a question
Were the french tourists returning home after touring in egypt Via Flash tour?
It's weird my uptake of plane crash videos has upped lately. Wonder if my future flight is having an impact on my subconscious lol.
But if there's one single takeaway I've learned from your videos. It's that Egyptian officials don't like admitting to blame/fault
5:10 "Sharm el SHEIK" "شرم الشيك" 🤣🤣🤣
Well, it's actually Sharm el Sheikh (شرم الشيخ). As an Arabic speaking individual myself, I find it funny about how the city is portrayed as "Sharm el Sheik" on the map.
It ain't easy being cheesey 🐆
Tbf, if the plane was still as broken as before, other things probably did go wrong. However, it's still Egypts fault
The title implies that other plane crashes are intentional
there actually has been cases of pilots intentionally crashing their planes as suicide attempts! I think at least one is on this channel
@@brain.eating.amoeba Yes, I think the pilot flew his plane right into a Himalayan mountain or was it the Alps. However, I do know the one you are speaking of.
I feel like it was a coverup by the company so they dont have to take blame for the crash, so they took easy and cheaper route of blaming the pilots
Ohhh JUST IN TIME! ✈️ 💯😎
Who the f gave them licenses and type ratings?
Seriously? This is called ‘Flash airlines’?
Another Boeing going down.
I trust that this isn't your intention, but listing the nationalities of the passengers makes it seem like it makes the crash worse or has any bearing, again I obviously know that is not how you meant for it to be interpreted as, but I'm just saying someone might. (I've seen it before in your videos too)
It's probably because it's relevant. You'll notice that flights with many American passengers often have the better quality investigations done by the authorities, but when the nationalities of the passengers are mostly "third world" investigators are happy to rush the job.
@@wendillon92 didn't think of that, thank you.
This is perhaps the most ambiguous plane crash video i have seen. One where no clear reasons have been provided. Ofcourse i don't blame the channel, but the investigation itself. Also i couldn't make any sense of the captain's comment "look what it did there". Whts that supposed to mean.
Ok, I confess. I crashed the plane on purpose. Forgiveness please?!
It is very obvious, to choose airline u should look at the country it based. I don’t fly chinese, russians n any muslim…. Only Europeans n American…
It was mechanical failure brought down Flash airlines flight 604
Boeing 737, well, theirs your cause of crash.
737-300 ain't have no MCAS
Aren’t all crashes accidental? Hehe LOL
Just kidding, I know what you mean.