Mesa Boogie MkIIC+...Neural vs ToneX vs AmpliTube
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- Gabor is having a look at the Neural DSP Mesa Boogie MkIIC+ plugin and comparing it to the same amp in AmpliTube's Mesa Boogie 2 Pack and a few captures of the amp in ToneX - which one do you like the best??
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0:00 What am I doing...??
1:50 my Setup
3:29 Default Settings
7:20 Let's check out Neural DSP
11:38 Let's check out ToneX
14:49 Neural vs ToneX
18:21 Let's check out AmpliTube
20:05 Same Settings - Neural vs AmpliTube
22:06 Neural vs AmpliTube vs ToneX
23:16 w/ Two Notes Wall of Sound IR
29:17 Drop C Tuning + Wall of Sound
31:16 Drop C Tuning + Internal IRs
35:10 Thoughts
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The Neural definitely had a harsher upper mid range, but like you said-- you can EQ that a thousand ways. They all sounded like the fundamental tone was there, and it's just a matter of tweaking. Picking the cab, the mic, the mic position, the room, you name it.
I did a IIC+ shootout between Amplitube 5 and Neural DSP last week and had some similar findings. Neural DSP always sounds great out-of-the-box (great presets, like you said), but when I tested using just the heads and the same IRs, I was able to dial in tones that were REALLY close. In the end, I preferred the Amplitube 5 tones and responsiveness. I suspect that a lot of amp sims as of late have baked in additional compression (which I don't particularly like) to make the sound more full/"better", and I think that Neural DSP is no exception.
ToneX probably most realistic of the three, but for use I prefer the Neural one. It has so many great sounds and features! I find the ToneX one a bit flat, but that's mostly because the ToneX has no effects, other than the reverb. Anyway great comparison video!
Absolutely…the Neural plugin is probably the easiest to use, plus it has some excellent stereo effects!!
Honestly, for how long IK Multimedia has been in the game, it's kind of shame how overlooked AmpliTube has become and that it needed ToneX to put the company back from out of the shadows.
Yeah it is a shame…I really like AmpliTube, just about limitless in what you can do with it
I hated on Amplitube for years. When 5 came out my buddy was playing it when I walked in to his studio and asked what he was using. When he said Amplitube I almost hit the floor. I couldn’t believe how far they’ve come with their captures. Now it’s all I use and just got the Mesa 2 package last week. Very happy with it and will continue to support IK Multimedia
So many people want easy, mix ready presets. Neural stuff is good, no doubt. I have ML Audio Labs stuff too, and it's good. But Amplitube tends to very accurately model the amps, not hype them for some genre or other. It's like having the real amp, which requires you to spend time dialing it in. But the sounds are there, waiting to be had.
Glad I found this channel. Cheers!
Thanks for watching!!
Really great review. Slight differences but still very similar and would be happy using any of the three to be honest all sound great
ToneX is awesome thinking of getting the pedal!🙂👍🎸
The pedal is excellent - I’ve been using it at a bunch of gigs lately and it worked really well!! I can definitely recommend it!!
Theres almost this 3D depth and quality in tonex. i am impressed. really impressed.
Yeah it definitely has something that gives more depth to the sound to what you find in a lot of other modellers
Hi, how did you get the Mojave Sands Cab for the Mark IIC+ Trash (Head Only) on ToneX please ? Thanks
I’m not sure where the cabinet came from…I think it may just be a cabinet that comes with ToneX or I may have downloaded it with an amp capture from ToneNet
AMPLITUBE always had that sizzling annoying high frequencies,, but Tonex nailed all those unwanted frequencies..
Great demo🎸🎸🎼❤️🙏
Thank you!!
you can easily smooth those out if you oversample the plugin. i print amplitube with x4 oversampling and it sounds WAY better. the aliasing is what makes it the high end sound cluttered and harsh.
It would also be interesting to hear the MK IIC+ mode from the ML Soundlab Mk V plug-in alongside these.
That can be arranged! TH-U have a version of it too…I might do another shootout
@@TSFAHTPSyup..that'd be awesome..kindly add thu rig library emulation also if possible 🤘🏻
@@arkavagoswami3068 sure thing
@@TSFAHTPS what's the model in THU called?
*Are you boosting the frontend with a KEELEY KATANA?, I hear this frequency ringing in your audio that sounds awful lot like so.*
No KEELEY KATANA boost…just generally an awful sound
Ik is always choked, i think they need to change something on the IR section, i got it for 79 euro few weeks agi and i am not blown away from the amont of amps cuse i cant get the tone i seek after, neural plugins the other way are killers, yet expensive so i have only 1
See what I mean? Neural sounds too bitey and harsh. It would fit perfectly with Industrial Metal, actually. But Amplitube / ToneX sounds like a real amp... it has that natural warmth to it. I don't know how they did it but they took the digital out of digital emulation. Plus it is REACTIVE to how you are playing. Oh my god when you switched from Neural to Amplitube at 28:21 my ears thanked you! My god that right there is the decision for me. That warmth washed over me and I WAS SAVED! lol! Neural was seriously grating to my ears... Nice riff you got going there by the way!
Demoing the Neural, I set it to class A mode and used Two Note's WoS Hairband Cab... and immediately nailed the tonal characteristics of Master Of Puppets (thanks to Flemming kindly uploading his recording notes online for MoP and AJFA respectively). It's nuts and I was even able to more closely nail John Petrucci's tones with it as well. Absolutely will have it on my wishlist.
so many plug ins so little time. Tonex is great. Mikko Fluff 2c is another contender as is Bogren OneKnob revC. Watch out for NAM (Neural Amp Modeler) though, it is going to change everything since it's free.
As I recently found out, NDSP has, I wouldn't call it a problem per se, but apparently the ideal input from the interface for their plugins is -12DB ( which is all the way down zero for some interfaces, my knob all the way down is -15db ). So, the conventional recording wisdom far as I have ever been told was to get your input gain from your interface as high without clipping and then do your business. This makes the NDSP stuff sound waaaaay harsher and ganier than the amp models should. There are some videos around now demonstrating this.
I started wayyyyyy backing off my input and the NDSP stuff sounds muuuuuuuuuuuch better, and more authentic.
This guitar is very cool! I love the green color paired with the abalone inlays!
Thank you very much…yeah I really like that too…Seafoam Green with the really dark ebony fretboard and the abalone dot inlays!
Thanks David!!
okay ! Mesa Boogie MkIIC - Neural = 95%+ modern low & mid high edge boost 16:12 tonex = 99.9% same real 16:22 amplitube5 =95% + vintage mode 18:23
I’m surprised how good TONEX sounds 😮 I’m a big fan of Neural stuff but must say TONEX sounded better in this case
tonex sounds like the amp the rest sound like plugins 😀
IK Multimedia makes Tonex, makes Amplitube-what is the relationship to Tonex? Does it come with Amplitube? Does it come with Chorus or Delay? Can the software called Tone net/Tonex (whatever-trying to find a video that will clear up my questions) be used to change the presets and saved to the Tonex pedal? Or do you have to purchase a laptop/tablet to use at a live gig?
Been researching this pedal for a few days.
Not really a supporter of the physical interface on this- learning curve looks a little time consuming to memorize the hundreds of settings, pushes and turns to dial in a crunch sounding amp, then to setup a lead. To change a bank, you need to step on two switches?
Also, looking to use this with an acoustic guitar for clean tones, but haven't seen a video on Tonex/clean tones-always end up finding chug chug videos.🤣
Thank you again for your vids.
37:29 all the options!!!!!
A blessing or curse
Oh it’s a massive rabbit hole if you get into all of that - you can even mix speakers and with the VIR TECH stuff you have control over how much bleed you get into the mics from the other speaker…
@@TSFAHTPS Exactly...Amplitube isn't a "quick fix". But just like with a real rig, you have to put the time into dialing it in and matching with the right cabs/speakers. It sounds great and realistic when done right.
@@wolfsdenmusic9404 absolutely
ToneX hands down
Amplitube needs way more gain on the input than Neural stuff, if you get the gain properly calibrated Amplitube 5 can offer really good tones, it is something that is a lot of times overlooked
Man- someone went through this video and placed a commercial right at every point where you change tones. You play one tone, and then go to compare it to another and boom- commercial break. By the time it comes back- I forgot what the first one even sounded like. How do they do this? Surely no one is sitting there watching every video to find the places where ppl are really leaning in to watch, so they can put a commercial there. Somehow the system is sensing the hot spots in the video and knows to put the commercial break right there.
That’s Google…not coming from me!
@@TSFAHTPS hello, do you know why when i adjust the amps settings reverb etc on the player it doesent do anything the sound stays the same
@@TSFAHTPS Oh I know it's not you guys- I just wonder how the computer knows where to put the commercials. It's not just your videos, it's all videos- right when some important plot point is going to be resolved or revealed- commercial break. It's really frustrating sometimes.
@@stoneysdead689 It’s very annoying! I used to manually set when ads should appear in videos but Google always added extra ads to the videos anyway so I just stopped bothering!
Why didn’t you edit this video???!!!!!
tonex sounds far better than the neural--
Honestly: Amplitube sounds the most natural realistic! Followed by ToneX. Neural DSP just sounds totally nasally .....................................................
Tone X wins
once you run Neural and amplitube through the same IR. Amplitube always sounds better. Something really harsh and compressed about neural DSP stuff. Obviously they have really good IRs out of the box and Amplitube take more time to dial in. But once you make them the same, amplitube is better. If you oversample it x4 it is EVEN better again. Loses all that fizzy digital shit.
How can we do that?
@@ripperthecrooks6428 do what? Oversample it? I run amplitude through BlueCat patch works to oversample.
@Amusiastudio whats blue cat I'm sorry im just trying to gain knowledge here
@@ripperthecrooks6428 its a plugin that lets you run plugins with in it. Google Blue Cat Audio Patchworks
Amplitube needs way more gain on the input than Neural stuff, if you get the gain properly calibrated Amplitube 5 can offer really good tones, it is something that is a lot of times overlooked