Okay, I just figured out why the ToneNet tone models sounded like crap. Not only do you have to change the pedal settings from LIVE to INTERFACE mode but also go into global settings and put the AMP and the SPEAKER from ACTIVE into BYPASS mode. Of course, if you want to play the pedal in LIVE mode don’t forget to change all three settings again. Please pass on this information.
May I ask what the signal chain was going into the DAW? Curious if you were going through Tonex configured as an audio interface into DAW, or from Tonex analog outs into an audio interface and then into the DAW from there?
I bought the TONEX Pedal a few months ago. Confusion and a long learning curve is a huge understatement. There is no doubt in my mind that this is a great development in AI / IR technology. The confusion and long learning curve is a byproduct of the engineers failing to consider the end user ... who they are, what they already know or don't know, and how to clearly communicate information to them. If you had to program your new car as you do this device, you would never get out of the driveway! IKM did a good job of making a lot of the TONEX Pedal interface similar to that of a real amp. In my experience, engineers make the worst resources for education and training. I think that by simply creating a more intuitive interface, a better arranged User Manual ... built on accomplishing tasks on the pedal ... covering all of the steps to get from A to B to C, and the video tutorials with the same objective, the learning curve for this product would be much shorter and the need to call IKM Tech Support much less.
Totaly agree. Plus the support is awfull. I can’t use Tonex with Mac cause it does not recognise librarian, and it happens with many people. No sollution by IK.
The front end of a user interface is critical to how much one can enjoy Tonex vs. getting frustrated going down various rabbit holes and submenus; all of which are time-sucking activities that stifle creativity. Engineers can lose perspective because they have hundreds upon hundreds of hours using the interface and countless submenus they cannot see from the perspective of the newest owner unboxing plugging in and saying ok, which button gives me a Whitesnake Tone; or how do I quickly play "Is this Love clean tone" or sound like "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaak? Step 1, 2 ,3 - - directions should be linear. From the perspective of a complete Novice in my opinion
I know this is a year late, but i need actual help: All my distorted presets sound exactly the same going into my Amps Return. It doesn’t matter if its Marshall/Orange/Mesa/Peavey..no difference. I use Amalgam presets and still everything sounds exactly the same. What am i doing wrong?
Man they should really give an option or setting somewhere such that users can select whether or not they want settings tweaks applied to all tone models. I could see that being a real pain, as one size will definitely not fit all here.
Dear Jason, thanks for your input.I am Christian from Germany, mainly a bassist for more than 30 but also playing guitar. I am using the Tone X Pedal with Tone X Max and Amplitibe 5 Max besides my beloved Line 6 Pod Go Wireless and really like the presets you offer. The latest Mooer GE 1000 Li is also a great device but additinally it was too much for me. Reduce the guitar fleet to the max is my device furthermore. Do you have a good and suitable idea for a power plant to support Pod Go and Tone X Pedal the same time? Best wishes 🤟
So, I'm thinking on buying the new ToneX One as an amp substitute for live performances, I own an amp already, is just easier to carry a tiny little pedal that sounds like an amp, my question would be, since I don't own a tone of amps to make my own captures, I would have to create my presets, so, Is it something you can do manually without capturing a real amp?, I live in a third world country, and we have little to none access to good amps like you guys have in your countries, so, Can we edit our own presets or downloading (purchasing)would be the only way to have good amp presets for your pedal?, Is there some free presets on ToneNet to start testing?
Is there a guide anywhere to how you get to audition all the tone models in the library? Been looking for days, all I get to hear is the tone model plus what is on the pedal, so can't audition sounds.
I can't make adjustments to any tone model via computer. In fact, I can't even open tonex app without the pedal being connected, and then I just hear the preset that the pedal is on. But I can't make adjustments to it via computer. After my other Tonex pedal had to be sent back for the issue of not connecting to the computer that this pedal is just a POS or IK multimedia needs a "Tonex editor"
This was quite helpful, just toward understanding Models vs Presets and establishing a workflow. This thing has had me incredibly confused over the past few weeks-between the illogic of the layout and UX and also various software and net glitches…. I wonder if you will see a need/opportunity to do a video just on basic setups and workflow. I use my ToneX pedal with a full pedalboard and I still don’t know how my interface should be set up, to play between the pedal and the app. I’m beginning to think I should *_only_* be playing models and presets via the app and not the hardware, as that would eliminate the interface switching I’m doing, but then I have to ask why I even need the pedal.
So, someone please tell me-You purchase the Tonex pedal, then have to connect to your PC/MAC to download presets and/or tones? is there a subscription required to ToneNet? When your in the software do any changes to the presets transfer to the Tonex pedal itself? Or is that an additional fee? I'll come back to your channel, but I need an "unboxing" video to walk me thru all this digital nightmare! Downloading 'Amps/Presets" from ToneNet? Does IK guarantee that what you download will actually work and not be any malware? Thanks for your video. greatly appreciated.
Hey Michael, The Tonex Pedal comes with a large number of tone models included and can be used straight away without having to hook it up to a computer. ToneNet has no subscription required. Although you do need to setup a free account. When in the software you can edit your presets and when you are happy with the way they are dialed in, you can simply go to the Librarian tab in the software and drag the preset onto your pedal, no additional fees. All of the tone models you download from ToneNet are safe and must be a valid Tonex tone model, no worried there. Having said that, myself and others offer premium tone models that can be purchased if you desire if you find a tone model to your liking. I truly hope that helps answer your questions :-) All the best!
The most clarifying video about ToneX I have seen. I was really confused about the differences between Tone models and Presets and now it's cristal clear for me. Thank you!
When there's lots of options it can get confusing quick. You pull up someone's tone model and it sound like crap, but on their end with their presets it sounded great. I think a lot of these great tone models get passed by because the initial tone model is, as you showed, running your prior settings, ie with or without reverb, cab and so on. Tone models with presets is the way to go! Good Video.
Great info! What speakers are you using for Tonex and Amplitude? I have Yamaha HS8’s and I can’t dial in a good sound. Sound is great with headphones. Looking at a QSC 12 of Mission Engineering Gemini’s. Will either of these two speakers improve my sound or do I need to work on EQ with my Yamaha’s?
Thanks so much! Let's say I do some captures from my amp collection and want to sell im pack. In that case, would I have to save the captures made as presets?
Question for TONEX owners in the know. So, finally took delivery of the pedal and got things up and running (took some time, several retries, updating software and performing a full reset of the pedal itself.) But I'm confused how to access/download tone models (like this wonderful free tone model here, for instance)? When I open up the Librarian and type anything in the search window, I get no returns. I can only see the models that the software is currently displaying. Do I have to download the tone model separately before "bringing it into" the Tonex software? Advice appreciated!
For some reason, I am not able to switch the tone models from the Tonex software. Clicking on the tone model, just doesnt change on the pedal. Any advise?
Really confused Jason, how do I do I set up auditioning tone models and presets using my own guitar signal when browsing tone models and presets without storing them to the pedal bank. Like you are doing in this video? I’ve been trying to get them to play back either via my FRFR speaker or through the PC, but so far I can only audition using the play function in TONEX, which of course isn’t my guitar signal. Any good videos on the initial set up please? Connecting guitar to TONEX/TONET for playback? Thanks
A really excellent video, and stunning tones 😀☝️ Quoting another TH-cam reviewer (Henning) he said who needs to know what amp model it is is, it’s the actual sound that matters. That Dr Z sound is awesome. I’ve never heard of that brand of amp, but the sound is incredible. Perfect, Mr S!
Hi Jason, when you are running through these sounds which sound great! btw! Your pedal isn't even plugged in correct? and are you just plugged into your interface with guitar cable into HiZ? Love the tones from this pedal but still little confused about a couple things. Thanks for the info you have put out, Nice playing as well!
Thanks for sharing! I also don't understand how can I organize my tone models. For example if I want to have only 5 amps on the pedal. It is possible? Thanks
Thank you so much for this Jason, I’m really starting to understand this (I think) 😂. If I want to add a capture of a stomp box to one of your captures, would I need to do that in AmpliTube or can it be done in Tonex?
Hello! Great video, are the Tonex presets from the premium tone models mine regardless of o downgrade or upgrade? Meaning after downloading Amanda saving a preset is the preset mine forever or nope? 😊
Your presets are beautiful. And the audio demos on the website are Great too. The one thing these tutorials show is the learning curve of the device, and how easy it would be to be deceived and or Screw up, if one leaves something on/or forgets hitting the reset button. And having to watch to see if Cabs are selected. You had another video that is very informative as to what one can do with Cabinets, and the VIR setting. I think sometimes players forget how much a type speaker and type mic. and placements are to the Tone. This software use Has a Huge learning Curve from what I can tell, especially with going back and forth with Amplitube 5, and the Tonenet community. I am still wondering if this tonex pedal would be a worthwhile investment.
I'm a total beginner guitarist, learning all the nuances of tone, FX, modulation, etc..... my goal is to have options to learn that's not going to break the bank so picked up Tonex/Amplitude Max. Was totally confused for a bit as to why the volume would go from low to almost blowing my monitors. This video is the best explanation of what's going on, and how to use these tools correctly. Thanks for breaking it down. I totally get it now. 👍
Knowledge is power! This clears up what was starting to be a nightmare scenario. As a "thank you" for clearing up the Tone Model/Preset headache I will go purchase one of your bundles.
Jason, When I right click it doesn't allow me to import. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on why? I deleted and reinstalled the software. If I click on the Librarian I can move patches around so I know part of it is working. Thanks!
I do know some Mac users were having issues depending on the mouse they were using. Also, make sure you are on the Presets tab when right clicking and not the Tone Models tab.
@@JasonSadites Turns out i have a Mac lucky me. Yes I am on the preset tab. Thank you for the great videos and all your help. Your videos are truly amazing.
Ah OK, I had one person who was using a track pad and it wasn't working. Have you tried using the "Control" button on Mac, I have been told that might work? I am a Windows guy so not always a lot of help to Mac folk.
Okay, I just figured out why the ToneNet tone models sounded like crap. Not only do you have to change the pedal settings from LIVE to INTERFACE mode but also go into global settings and put the AMP and the SPEAKER from ACTIVE into BYPASS mode. Of course, if you want to play the pedal in LIVE mode don’t forget to change all three settings again. Please pass on this information.
This is the answer to the question I had. I will try this out and see. Thank you
What confuses me is why they added the interface mode setting if you still have to bypass the amp and cab anyway…?
Oh, this is interesting, I had bypassed the cab but not the amp, hopefully this will help!
Hands down, you have the best TONEX tutorial videos on the planet! Thanks, Jason.
May I ask what the signal chain was going into the DAW? Curious if you were going through Tonex configured as an audio interface into DAW, or from Tonex analog outs into an audio interface and then into the DAW from there?
I bought the TONEX Pedal a few months ago. Confusion and a long learning curve is a huge understatement. There is no doubt in my mind that this is a great development in AI / IR technology. The confusion and long learning curve is a byproduct of the engineers failing to consider the end user ... who they are, what they already know or don't know, and how to clearly communicate information to them. If you had to program your new car as you do this device, you would never get out of the driveway! IKM did a good job of making a lot of the TONEX Pedal interface similar to that of a real amp. In my experience, engineers make the worst resources for education and training. I think that by simply creating a more intuitive interface, a better arranged User Manual ... built on accomplishing tasks on the pedal ... covering all of the steps to get from A to B to C, and the video tutorials with the same objective, the learning curve for this product would be much shorter and the need to call IKM Tech Support much less.
Totaly agree. Plus the support is awfull. I can’t use Tonex with Mac cause it does not recognise librarian, and it happens with many people. No sollution by IK.
The front end of a user interface is critical to how much one can enjoy Tonex vs. getting frustrated going down various rabbit holes and submenus; all of which are time-sucking activities that stifle creativity. Engineers can lose perspective because they have hundreds upon hundreds of hours using the interface and countless submenus they cannot see from the perspective of the newest owner unboxing plugging in and saying ok, which button gives me a Whitesnake Tone; or how do I quickly play "Is this Love clean tone" or sound like "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaak? Step 1, 2 ,3 - - directions should be linear. From the perspective of a complete Novice in my opinion
I know this is a year late, but i need actual help: All my distorted presets sound exactly the same going into my Amps Return. It doesn’t matter if its Marshall/Orange/Mesa/Peavey..no difference. I use Amalgam presets and still everything sounds exactly the same. What am i doing wrong?
Man they should really give an option or setting somewhere such that users can select whether or not they want settings tweaks applied to all tone models. I could see that being a real pain, as one size will definitely not fit all here.
I agree, a software update would probably be a simple solution
Dear Jason, thanks for your input.I am Christian from Germany, mainly a bassist for more than 30 but also playing guitar. I am using the Tone X Pedal with Tone X Max and Amplitibe 5 Max besides my beloved Line 6 Pod Go Wireless and really like the presets you offer. The latest Mooer GE 1000 Li is also a great device but additinally it was too much for me. Reduce the guitar fleet to the max is my device furthermore. Do you have a good and suitable idea for a power plant to support Pod Go and Tone X Pedal the same time? Best wishes 🤟
how do you connect it so that you can play it through the pedal like that?
So, I'm thinking on buying the new ToneX One as an amp substitute for live performances, I own an amp already, is just easier to carry a tiny little pedal that sounds like an amp, my question would be, since I don't own a tone of amps to make my own captures, I would have to create my presets, so, Is it something you can do manually without capturing a real amp?, I live in a third world country, and we have little to none access to good amps like you guys have in your countries, so, Can we edit our own presets or downloading (purchasing)would be the only way to have good amp presets for your pedal?, Is there some free presets on ToneNet to start testing?
Is there a guide anywhere to how you get to audition all the tone models in the library? Been looking for days, all I get to hear is the tone model plus what is on the pedal, so can't audition sounds.
I can't make adjustments to any tone model via computer. In fact, I can't even open tonex app without the pedal being connected, and then I just hear the preset that the pedal is on. But I can't make adjustments to it via computer. After my other Tonex pedal had to be sent back for the issue of not connecting to the computer that this pedal is just a POS or IK multimedia needs a "Tonex editor"
Is there a way we can download AmpliTube 5 presets on TONEX pedal ?
very useful, thank you so much!
This was quite helpful, just toward understanding Models vs Presets and establishing a workflow. This thing has had me incredibly confused over the past few weeks-between the illogic of the layout and UX and also various software and net glitches…. I wonder if you will see a need/opportunity to do a video just on basic setups and workflow. I use my ToneX pedal with a full pedalboard and I still don’t know how my interface should be set up, to play between the pedal and the app. I’m beginning to think I should *_only_* be playing models and presets via the app and not the hardware, as that would eliminate the interface switching I’m doing, but then I have to ask why I even need the pedal.
My tonex pedal isn't syncing up with the software any ideas what this could be?
So, someone please tell me-You purchase the Tonex pedal, then have to connect to your PC/MAC to download presets and/or tones? is there a subscription required to ToneNet?
When your in the software do any changes to the presets transfer to the Tonex pedal itself? Or is that an additional fee? I'll come back to your channel, but I need an "unboxing" video to walk me thru all this digital nightmare! Downloading 'Amps/Presets" from ToneNet? Does IK guarantee that what you download will actually work and not be any malware?
Thanks for your video. greatly appreciated.
Hey Michael,
The Tonex Pedal comes with a large number of tone models included and can be used straight away without having to hook it up to a computer. ToneNet has no subscription required. Although you do need to setup a free account. When in the software you can edit your presets and when you are happy with the way they are dialed in, you can simply go to the Librarian tab in the software and drag the preset onto your pedal, no additional fees. All of the tone models you download from ToneNet are safe and must be a valid Tonex tone model, no worried there. Having said that, myself and others offer premium tone models that can be purchased if you desire if you find a tone model to your liking. I truly hope that helps answer your questions :-) All the best!
when i try to open input devices in the audio settings it says warning can`t open input why?
I can’t even get this thing to show up on my computer. Any ideas?
Hey Scott, I am assuming you are talking about Tonex Pedal? Do you have the latest Tonex software (1.2.3) installed on your computer?
The most clarifying video about ToneX I have seen. I was really confused about the differences between Tone models and Presets and now it's cristal clear for me. Thank you!
When there's lots of options it can get confusing quick. You pull up someone's tone model and it sound like crap, but on their end with their presets it sounded great. I think a lot of these great tone models get passed by because the initial tone model is, as you showed, running your prior settings, ie with or without reverb, cab and so on. Tone models with presets is the way to go! Good Video.
Great info!
What speakers are you using for Tonex and Amplitude? I have Yamaha HS8’s and I can’t dial in a good sound. Sound is great with headphones. Looking at a QSC 12 of Mission Engineering Gemini’s. Will either of these two speakers improve my sound or do I need to work on EQ with my Yamaha’s?
Thanks so much! Let's say I do some captures from my amp collection and want to sell im pack. In that case, would I have to save the captures made as presets?
Question for TONEX owners in the know. So, finally took delivery of the pedal and got things up and running (took some time, several retries, updating software and performing a full reset of the pedal itself.) But I'm confused how to access/download tone models (like this wonderful free tone model here, for instance)? When I open up the Librarian and type anything in the search window, I get no returns. I can only see the models that the software is currently displaying. Do I have to download the tone model separately before "bringing it into" the Tonex software? Advice appreciated!
For some reason, I am not able to switch the tone models from the Tonex software. Clicking on the tone model, just doesnt change on the pedal. Any advise?
Really confused Jason, how do I do I set up auditioning tone models and presets using my own guitar signal when browsing tone models and presets without storing them to the pedal bank. Like you are doing in this video? I’ve been trying to get them to play back either via my FRFR speaker or through the PC, but so far I can only audition using the play function in TONEX, which of course isn’t my guitar signal. Any good videos on the initial set up please? Connecting guitar to TONEX/TONET for playback? Thanks
A really excellent video, and stunning tones 😀☝️
Quoting another TH-cam reviewer (Henning) he said who needs to know what
amp model it is is, it’s the actual sound that matters. That Dr Z sound is awesome. I’ve never heard of that brand of amp, but the sound is incredible. Perfect, Mr S!
Thank you so much :-) Really glad you enjoy the tones!!
@@JasonSadites Indeed. I was looking for a 'just breaking up guitar' tone for a country song I am recording, then up this popped! Perfect :) Thank you
Hi Jason, when you are running through these sounds which sound great! btw! Your pedal isn't even plugged in correct? and are you just plugged into your interface with guitar cable into HiZ? Love the tones from this pedal but still little confused about a couple things. Thanks for the info you have put out, Nice playing as well!
Thanks for sharing! I also don't understand how can I organize my tone models. For example if I want to have only 5 amps on the pedal. It is possible? Thanks
Thank you so much for this Jason, I’m really starting to understand this (I think) 😂. If I want to add a capture of a stomp box to one of your captures, would I need to do that in AmpliTube or can it be done in Tonex?
This bundle format looks perfect. Having 5 different levels of gain, both with and without a cab, is a great idea!
I really enjoy working with it that way :-)
Can ToneX IR's be exported to work on other devices, such as importing them, then loading them into into the HX Stomp IRs Panel?
Hello! Great video, are the Tonex presets from the premium tone models mine regardless of o downgrade or upgrade? Meaning after downloading Amanda saving a preset is the preset mine forever or nope? 😊
Your presets are beautiful. And the audio demos on the website are Great too. The one thing these tutorials show is the learning curve of the device, and how easy it would be to be deceived and or Screw up, if one leaves something on/or forgets hitting the reset button. And having to watch to see if Cabs are selected. You had another video that is very informative as to what one can do with Cabinets, and the VIR setting. I think sometimes players forget how much a type speaker and type mic. and placements are to the Tone. This software use Has a Huge learning Curve from what I can tell, especially with going back and forth with Amplitube 5, and the Tonenet community. I am still wondering if this tonex pedal would be a worthwhile investment.
THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEOS..
My pleasure and thank you for watching :-)
Your videos are extremely useful and help SO much! Thank you!
Thank you your video was very helpfull
how are you auditioning them without adding to pedal?
I'm a total beginner guitarist, learning all the nuances of tone, FX, modulation, etc..... my goal is to have options to learn that's not going to break the bank so picked up Tonex/Amplitude Max. Was totally confused for a bit as to why the volume would go from low to almost blowing my monitors.
This video is the best explanation of what's going on, and how to use these tools correctly. Thanks for breaking it down. I totally get it now. 👍
My pleasure and really glad it was helpful :-)
Excellent! Could you demo a pedal capture?
Knowledge is power! This clears up what was starting to be a nightmare scenario. As a "thank you" for clearing up the Tone Model/Preset headache I will go purchase one of your bundles.
Really glad it was helpful :-) Also, thank you kindly for the support and I hope you enjoy the tone models!
Great video, very helpful, thank you. You sound great too.
Thank you Dan and glad you enjoyed!
dude, super helpful
Thank you for enlightening this Tone X newbie 😎
My pleasure :-)
Jason, When I right click it doesn't allow me to import. Do you or anyone else have any thoughts on why? I deleted and reinstalled the software. If I click on the Librarian I can move patches around so I know part of it is working. Thanks!
I do know some Mac users were having issues depending on the mouse they were using. Also, make sure you are on the Presets tab when right clicking and not the Tone Models tab.
@@JasonSadites Turns out i have a Mac lucky me. Yes I am on the preset tab. Thank you for the great videos and all your help. Your videos are truly amazing.
@Joe Wright Music ah thanks so much and really glad you enjoy the vids! Can I ask what you are using for a mouse?
@@JasonSadites I’m using the wireless one that came with the Mac.
Ah OK, I had one person who was using a track pad and it wasn't working. Have you tried using the "Control" button on Mac, I have been told that might work? I am a Windows guy so not always a lot of help to Mac folk.
Meh … Tonex is too expensive. It will never replace an actual amp
I get mine tomorrow. Stoked.