I'm now quickly turning into an old man, but with that comes some memories that others don't have.... When I was just a young gun I can remember reading articles by Jeff Cooper and he was big fan of flat nose FMJ ammo. He called them quite deadly with a heavy impact on animals. I believe he was talking about Total Metal Jacket Combat loads for the .45acp, as they were called at the time as generic term. These were a .45 with the biggest flat nose you could get to feed in your 1911. There were also .429 44 mag TMJ combat loads and bullets made but I do not remember who made them. In reality the big speer "ash tray" hollowpoints we had back in the day did not expand all that well so they were most likely acting like a flat nose. When I was a young Corporal for my PD. I once stood on a picnic table, and shot a few different loads from 9mm .38 .357 and .45acp down into a 55 gal drum that the other officers had filled with water. (This was in the 80's) and about half the HP's did not properly expand in this test. Just found your TH-cam page Good Video.
@@infogunvault6920 the cvdef rounds are less penetration more tuned for soft tissue damage on a person. Ive done some test on sheet metal/glass/wood and they still go through but not as easy as the heavier stuff. Ive also observed the hard cast shattering on certain surfaces. The underwood ep 10mm zip right thru just about everything
@@infogunvault6920 ive also recently obtained some ammo from pilgrim ammunition thats similar to the liberty stuff . Im testing that out in my Duty pistol. Very very fast 9mm rounds
@@jdm8798 "more tuned for soft tissue damage on a person" Does this mean in comparison to regular hollow points or what? I assumed they were for self defense against humans.
@@infogunvault6920 same premise as hollow points but they perform better than regular hollow points. Full stop in the tissue complete energy transfer. Less risk of op. The idea as it was explained to me was that entering at a higher rate of speed creates a more violent temp Wound channel and a larger permanent wound channel. The liberty and the pilgrim stuff is a thinner material around the nose and expands both more reliable and larger than most regular hollow points
I’d like to hear your thoughts on the somewhat new m1152 9mm 115gr flat nose nato loading, I can get it for 27cpr and it’s got sealed primers. That’s what I’ve been putting in my S&W m2.0 when I go in the woods since it’s cheap enough to train with and get used to the recoil.
Regular people don't get away with breaking the law. Regular people vote to change laws. It won't work out for you at all. Government organizations without sufficient oversight or accountability, like the ATF, don't feel the need to change the law to do before doing what they want. Because they are acting in an "official capacity" there are functionally no consequences for them Likewise politicians are never held responsible for increasing the crime rate through their actions. It's very simple.
@@LowIQinHQ If you can fire it fast, be my guest. A lot of people are switching to 10mm in the number of years because they realized they can fire more rounds in a limited time than the .44s they used to carry.
You’re over thinking this! I’d wager none on this channel ever shot a bear with a pistol. If you did it on purpose, you’re a fool. If you did in an emergency then we can talk. For clarity I never did. I have several associates who did. The problem there is you save your life but in all but one case you wound . There is mother worse in this world than crawling into an Alaskan alder thicket with an express rifle after a wounded Kodiak. Back in the 70’s the only pistols were 44mag and 45 colt. Both hand loaded with cast 245-50 grain bullets. Simi wad cutters. Cast from wheel weights. The ideal combination of hardness and ductility. We all used Ruger single actions in those calibers because of strength and durability. My “real” gun was a liver action 45/70 with essentially the same sort of cast bullet hand loaded with a 450 gr bullet. Loaded right up to the low end of the 458 mag tables. Not for your daddy’s old trapdoor. Not all bears are equal. Those Kodiak browns can run 3/4 ton and look like a dump truck up close. They are deadly fast, they can run and swim faster than you can. The little black bears are looked down on. Worst mauling I ever saw was a young lady intern working for the U.S. geological survey. Some wizard told them no guns in the field. Just an air horn and a radio. They dropped them by helicopter in the hills for day trips doing soil analysis. We all got to listen for her screams for help on the radio as the back bear ate all the flesh from both legs. I was the second copter to reach her. She lived. Sans legs. So. Love your Glock. I love my 1911. But neither of those is a bear gun. If that’s all you have in a pinch, you should not go out. Bad guys, cougar, coyote, even wolf. Ok. Bears. Get a big revolver. Larger than 45? I can’t say. The couple in 475 I shot were too much. Almost uncontrollable. As for bullet metal, cast wheel weights. They work. Don’t overthink this or reinvent the wheel. Cast bullets and shoot them until you hit consistently at 25 yards. Then run a 1/4 mile and do it again. You must hit with your heart going like a trip hammer. Fox out
If you say I'm overthinking this then that's your opinion. For where I am it's very clear that people are interested in this topic. Considerably more people watched this video than most of my other videos. If we want to go back even further, we can say that a handgun for bear defense in the early 1900s was a .44-40 loaded with soft lead bullets. Even farther back it was the colt .44 army model because the colt navy model in .36 caliber didn't have enough penetration for the average grizzly.
@@infogunvault6920 Of course they are! And good for you on your views. Every generation likes to re-discover the basics. Mine gobbled up Elmer Keith’s musings. You’re just a couple clicks along. I wasted years making Lyman No2 alloy, scrounging Linotype and Babbitt metal. I must own 100+ molds, single and multiple cavity. In the end the old Keith style SWC cast from wheel weights is the cheapest and most effective. Sadly 50% of the wheel weights now are zinc. Statistically bear encounters are up. More people out in the woods. Bears coming down into suburbia. Cougars too. Don’t mind me. Too old and f’ed up to go out. I just sit on my porch feeding birds and commenting on videos. But once upon a time…… Fox out
@@vulpesvulpes5177 Sorry I was being defensive before, I took your first comment to mean that you were saying my video was basically irrelevant and not useful. I've had a lot of people say that I'm wrong and ignorant about most any subject, so you'll have to forgive me for that. If you don't mind me asking, why is it that they make wheel weights out of zinc now?
@@infogunvault6920 several reasons. Lead is now the boogy man. Instant death. If that’s the case I’m dead ten times over. I’m 74. Not dead. Yet. So there is negative perception. Just don’t eat a lead wheel weight. Zinc is in theory cheaper. Despite the fact it takes more zinc to do the same job. And as the idiots require used lead wheel weights be disposed of as a “hazmat” item more so. Much as we all pay that obnoxious hazmat fee to ship propellents by FedEx or ups. I don’t recall some withering explosion of a FedEx truck. Do you? No. That one is simply a work of art by some Safety Sally. As is the “toxicity” of lead wheel weights. I’ve got about 400 pounds of that shit in ingots in my shop right now. OMG 😱. So. It’s getting hard to come by. Be a friend of the local tire shop. Help him dispose of his spent weights. Learn to sort the zinc from the lead. There are youtube videos on the subject. And don’t be so touchy. If you’re going to project your opinion, educated or otherwise, some asshole will call you out. Deal with it. It’s a debate at worst. Not a gun fight. This started as a debate. And look 👀! Now we are having a friendly exchange of ideas! I don’t know everything and neither do you. I learn something every day on TH-cam. Just recently I learned I’m a futz. Other people roll these cap and ball paper cartridges and have a ball shooting. I’ve wasted hours and all I can show is scraps of paper and spilled powder all over. I’m just a flask kinda guy. But I cast a mean ball. And when the mold is too oversized I just make a sizing die in my lathe. So. Do your thing. Go for it! Chat with your detractors. Get ideas for more videos. One creator I’ve cussed with for about 2 years just topped 100,000 viewers. Making his own black powder. Not me! Never again! My eyebrows finally grew back! Fox out
@@infogunvault6920 This my second reply . YT ate my first. Now I can be brief. In a nutshell zinc is cheaper. OSHA thinks lead is the spawn of Satan. This they charge a hazmat fee to dispose of it. Most wheel weights go out the back door to shooters. Not to metal salvage. Become a tire shops friend. Learn to sort out the zinc. TH-cam has videos on this.
I enjoy the topic very much. Perfect is the enemy of good. Is it fair to ask a handgun round to perform as good as a rifle round? Obviously breaking the bone is optimal. But would HC bullet fracturing inflict a "good enough" wound? Or is hotly loaded FMJ better as it retains mass? As someone who does not handload, my options are limited.
I agree that an exit wound gives better odds for a quicker kill. The observation that for big game bullets over 200 grains perform better makes some sense. .375 H&H is a winner in big game for many reasons. I would like a semiautomatic cartridge version. 7mm Mauser and 30-06 are considered underpowered by many people for big game. Both are normally under 200 grains.
My perspective is that if penetration is the goal, than flat nose FMJ seems to accomplish that goal more consistently than a factory hard cast would due to shattering issues. "Good enough" is obviously a subjective term. Aside from that point, I don't think we have enough evidence from actual animals to say whether a shattering hardcast does or doesn't inflict a wound that is "good enough." By the way, if someone designs a handgun cartridge and bullet specifically for a given goal (i.e. acting like a rifle round) then expecting to perform as designed is certainly not unreasonably in the least. I'm not talking about any specific cartridge by the way, I'm just making the point that any cartridge is intended to meet goal(s). If someone wanted to make a bullet and handgun caliber specifically for defense against dangerous animals it could most certainly be done.
@@infogunvault6920 Agreed. As to bullet design, looking across all the data; 200 grain would be a minimum weight, flat nosed or a fluted nose, muzzle velocity above 800 fps. Or flat nosed bullet with a muzzle energy above 400ftlb, to take 9mm into account? My mind keeps trying to figure out commonalities...
@@uberfalcon1965 It is my opinion that we need to figure out a "doctrine" of sorts that lays out the goal that we are trying to accomplish and exactly why we are looking for specific things in a round. I've notice that it's very common that people try to look for calibers, energy, and velocity to find the answer, and I think that is because those are the things that seem really tangible and easily available. I don't think just looking at these attributes are going to give us the answers we want. I don't think I know enough to write a doctrine yet, but I can share some of my thoughts. If we are trying to achieve max penetration then we need to illustrate a good reason for doing so. I think most people have taken this point as just a given and never really questioned why are we prioritizing this over everything else? let's say some company introduces a new, really good 10mm round and it has some expansion and enough penetration to be found under the fur on the off-side of a coastal if you make a broadside shot. This would logically do more damage and have greater effectiveness than a 10mm round that easily blows straight through the same bear lengthwise. I could go on for a while trying to figure out what exactly we need and the reasoning behind it, but like I said, I don't think I have all the answers yet. The conclusion I keep coming to is that I think an expanding round is the answer, not that other rounds like hard cast or extreme penetrators are useless, but I would choose and expanding round over everything else at this point to bet my life on. Once I figure out more of this stuff then I can put it together in a more coherent way for a video.
I have to agree with some of the other commenters, you are over thinking things. And yes there are times and gun’s that you do not want to use a hard cast bullet, as a hard cast bullet can and will damage some gun’s. And that includes bullets cast from old wheel weights, as old wheel weights are too hard for many guns. But your ammo is always going to be dictated by how your gun loads. Example: self loading magazine fed gun like lever action, semi-automatic/automatic fire arms are always going to require a jacketed round to prevent bullet deformation. Where breach loaded rifles and revolvers can use both jacketed and non-jacketed slugs as there is no risk of bullet deformation during loading.
Thanks for the excellent video. I don't have a good grasp of bullet design and ballistics. But I was not aware that hard cart bullets have a tendency to shatter when impacting bone. Several youtube personalities have tested hard cast bullets using some kind of simulated bone, i.e., plywood, ceramics, plastic boards, etc. Here's an example, with the tester using Underwood 40 s&w hard cast shells: th-cam.com/video/McT1ypa3AmI/w-d-xo.html The bullets in this video held up pretty well. And there are other examples. I guess you could say that the velocity here was moderate (1000 fps) and perhaps the simulated bone barrier was not sufficiently hard and dense. But it does suggest that hard cast bullets may be a workable solution in some scenarios.
Yes I do believe that hard cast is definitely good with certain amounts of impact energy (like the .40) and that certain alloys apparently make it capable of being used even with high impact energy (.44 magnum for example). Unfortunately I have no way of knowing what made those .44 magnum rounds I tested different. I don't actually even know for sure whether they were heat treated or hard cast, but I do believe they were probably hard cast. I do believe that if we were to test bullets side-by-side in bone and ceramics, I believe that we would find a ceramic that is very close to acting like bone. It's always nice to hear that someone likes my videos. Thank you.😁
@@advrider631 I thought this was a Florida man-related problem involving the up-armoring of bears in order to protect them from the rampant use of killdozers.
Please forgive the fact that I accidentally added two outros for this video.
You are forgiven
Elmer Keith used lead/tin alloy, for his heavy SWC.
I'm now quickly turning into an old man, but with that comes some memories that others don't have.... When I was just a young gun I can remember reading articles by Jeff Cooper and he was big fan of flat nose FMJ ammo. He called them quite deadly with a heavy impact on animals. I believe he was talking about Total Metal Jacket Combat loads for the .45acp, as they were called at the time as generic term. These were a .45 with the biggest flat nose you could get to feed in your 1911. There were also .429 44 mag TMJ combat loads and bullets made but I do not remember who made them. In reality the big speer "ash tray" hollowpoints we had back in the day did not expand all that well so they were most likely acting like a flat nose. When I was a young Corporal for my PD. I once stood on a picnic table, and shot a few different loads from 9mm .38 .357 and .45acp down into a 55 gal drum that the other officers had filled with water. (This was in the 80's) and about half the HP's did not properly expand in this test. Just found your TH-cam page Good Video.
Thanks for the insight! I'm glad you liked it!
I use the underwood extreme penetrator in my 10mm for backwoods carry and the liberty civil defense light weight stuff for edc concealed carry
I don't remember, are those civil defense rounds made to underpenetrate in order to reduce the risk of overpenetration?
@@infogunvault6920 the cvdef rounds are less penetration more tuned for soft tissue damage on a person. Ive done some test on sheet metal/glass/wood and they still go through but not as easy as the heavier stuff. Ive also observed the hard cast shattering on certain surfaces. The underwood ep 10mm zip right thru just about everything
@@infogunvault6920 ive also recently obtained some ammo from pilgrim ammunition thats similar to the liberty stuff . Im testing that out in my
Duty pistol. Very very fast 9mm rounds
@@jdm8798 "more tuned for soft tissue damage on a person" Does this mean in comparison to regular hollow points or what?
I assumed they were for self defense against humans.
@@infogunvault6920 same premise as hollow points but they perform better than regular hollow points. Full stop in the tissue complete energy transfer. Less risk of op. The idea as it was explained to me was that entering at a higher rate of speed creates a more violent temp
Wound channel and a larger permanent wound channel. The liberty and the pilgrim stuff is a thinner material around the nose and expands both more reliable and larger than most regular hollow points
I usually actually carry hard cast flat noised 357. Think they are buffalo bore.
I’d like to hear your thoughts on the somewhat new m1152 9mm 115gr flat nose nato loading, I can get it for 27cpr and it’s got sealed primers. That’s what I’ve been putting in my S&W m2.0 when I go in the woods since it’s cheap enough to train with and get used to the recoil.
Bear defense rounds are solid brass or an A frame preferably. There are some others but those are great choices
What if you put a tungsten core inside and not tell anyone its armor piercing?
Regular people don't get away with breaking the law. Regular people vote to change laws. It won't work out for you at all.
Government organizations without sufficient oversight or accountability, like the ATF, don't feel the need to change the law to do before doing what they want. Because they are acting in an "official capacity" there are functionally no consequences for them
Likewise politicians are never held responsible for increasing the crime rate through their actions.
It's very simple.
@@infogunvault6920 44 mag it is then
@@LowIQinHQ If you can fire it fast, be my guest. A lot of people are switching to 10mm in the number of years because they realized they can fire more rounds in a limited time than the .44s they used to carry.
You’re over thinking this! I’d wager none on this channel ever shot a bear with a pistol. If you did it on purpose, you’re a fool. If you did in an emergency then we can talk. For clarity I never did. I have several associates who did. The problem there is you save your life but in all but one case you wound . There is mother worse in this world than crawling into an Alaskan alder thicket with an express rifle after a wounded Kodiak.
Back in the 70’s the only pistols were 44mag and 45 colt. Both hand loaded with cast 245-50 grain bullets. Simi wad cutters. Cast from wheel weights. The ideal combination of hardness and ductility.
We all used Ruger single actions in those calibers because of strength and durability. My “real” gun was a liver action 45/70 with essentially the same sort of cast bullet hand loaded with a 450 gr bullet. Loaded right up to the low end of the 458 mag tables. Not for your daddy’s old trapdoor.
Not all bears are equal. Those Kodiak browns can run 3/4 ton and look like a dump truck up close. They are deadly fast, they can run and swim faster than you can. The little black bears are looked down on. Worst mauling I ever saw was a young lady intern working for the U.S. geological survey. Some wizard told them no guns in the field. Just an air horn and a radio. They dropped them by helicopter in the hills for day trips doing soil analysis. We all got to listen for her screams for help on the radio as the back bear ate all the flesh from both legs. I was the second copter to reach her. She lived. Sans legs.
So. Love your Glock. I love my 1911. But neither of those is a bear gun. If that’s all you have in a pinch, you should not go out. Bad guys, cougar, coyote, even wolf. Ok. Bears. Get a big revolver. Larger than 45? I can’t say. The couple in 475 I shot were too much. Almost uncontrollable.
As for bullet metal, cast wheel weights. They work. Don’t overthink this or reinvent the wheel. Cast bullets and shoot them until you hit consistently at 25 yards. Then run a 1/4 mile and do it again. You must hit with your heart going like a trip hammer.
Fox out
If you say I'm overthinking this then that's your opinion. For where I am it's very clear that people are interested in this topic. Considerably more people watched this video than most of my other videos.
If we want to go back even further, we can say that a handgun for bear defense in the early 1900s was a .44-40 loaded with soft lead bullets.
Even farther back it was the colt .44 army model because the colt navy model in .36 caliber didn't have enough penetration for the average grizzly.
@@infogunvault6920
Of course they are! And good for you on your views. Every generation likes to re-discover the basics. Mine gobbled up Elmer Keith’s musings. You’re just a couple clicks along.
I wasted years making Lyman No2 alloy, scrounging Linotype and Babbitt metal. I must own 100+ molds, single and multiple cavity. In the end the old Keith style SWC cast from wheel weights is the cheapest and most effective. Sadly 50% of the wheel weights now are zinc.
Statistically bear encounters are up. More people out in the woods. Bears coming down into suburbia. Cougars too. Don’t mind me. Too old and f’ed up to go out. I just sit on my porch feeding birds and commenting on videos. But once upon a time……
Fox out
@@vulpesvulpes5177
Sorry I was being defensive before, I took your first comment to mean that you were saying my video was basically irrelevant and not useful.
I've had a lot of people say that I'm wrong and ignorant about most any subject, so you'll have to forgive me for that.
If you don't mind me asking, why is it that they make wheel weights out of zinc now?
@@infogunvault6920 several reasons. Lead is now the boogy man. Instant death. If that’s the case I’m dead ten times over. I’m 74. Not dead. Yet. So there is negative perception. Just don’t eat a lead wheel weight.
Zinc is in theory cheaper. Despite the fact it takes more zinc to do the same job. And as the idiots require used lead wheel weights be disposed of as a “hazmat” item more so. Much as we all pay that obnoxious hazmat fee to ship propellents by FedEx or ups. I don’t recall some withering explosion of a FedEx truck. Do you? No. That one is simply a work of art by some Safety Sally. As is the “toxicity” of lead wheel weights. I’ve got about 400 pounds of that shit in ingots in my shop right now. OMG 😱.
So. It’s getting hard to come by. Be a friend of the local tire shop. Help him dispose of his spent weights. Learn to sort the zinc from the lead. There are youtube videos on the subject.
And don’t be so touchy. If you’re going to project your opinion, educated or otherwise, some asshole will call you out. Deal with it. It’s a debate at worst. Not a gun fight. This started as a debate. And look 👀! Now we are having a friendly exchange of ideas!
I don’t know everything and neither do you. I learn something every day on TH-cam. Just recently I learned I’m a futz. Other people roll these cap and ball paper cartridges and have a ball shooting. I’ve wasted hours and all I can show is scraps of paper and spilled powder all over. I’m just a flask kinda guy. But I cast a mean ball. And when the mold is too oversized I just make a sizing die in my lathe.
So. Do your thing. Go for it! Chat with your detractors. Get ideas for more videos. One creator I’ve cussed with for about 2 years just topped 100,000 viewers. Making his own black powder. Not me! Never again! My eyebrows finally grew back!
Fox out
@@infogunvault6920
This my second reply . YT ate my first. Now I can be brief.
In a nutshell zinc is cheaper.
OSHA thinks lead is the spawn of Satan. This they charge a hazmat fee to dispose of it. Most wheel weights go out the back door to shooters. Not to metal salvage. Become a tire shops friend. Learn to sort out the zinc. TH-cam has videos on this.
I enjoy the topic very much.
Perfect is the enemy of good. Is it fair to ask a handgun round to perform as good as a rifle round? Obviously breaking the bone is optimal. But would HC bullet fracturing inflict a "good enough" wound? Or is hotly loaded FMJ better as it retains mass? As someone who does not handload, my options are limited.
I agree that an exit wound gives better odds for a quicker kill.
The observation that for big game bullets over 200 grains perform better makes some sense. .375 H&H is a winner in big game for many reasons. I would like a semiautomatic cartridge version. 7mm Mauser and 30-06 are considered underpowered by many people for big game. Both are normally under 200 grains.
My perspective is that if penetration is the goal, than flat nose FMJ seems to accomplish that goal more consistently than a factory hard cast would due to shattering issues.
"Good enough" is obviously a subjective term. Aside from that point, I don't think we have enough evidence from actual animals to say whether a shattering hardcast does or doesn't inflict a wound that is "good enough."
By the way, if someone designs a handgun cartridge and bullet specifically for a given goal (i.e. acting like a rifle round) then expecting to perform as designed is certainly not unreasonably in the least.
I'm not talking about any specific cartridge by the way, I'm just making the point that any cartridge is intended to meet goal(s). If someone wanted to make a bullet and handgun caliber specifically for defense against dangerous animals it could most certainly be done.
@@infogunvault6920 Agreed. As to bullet design, looking across all the data; 200 grain would be a minimum weight, flat nosed or a fluted nose, muzzle velocity above 800 fps. Or flat nosed bullet with a muzzle energy above 400ftlb, to take 9mm into account? My mind keeps trying to figure out commonalities...
@@uberfalcon1965
It is my opinion that we need to figure out a "doctrine" of sorts that lays out the goal that we are trying to accomplish and exactly why we are looking for specific things in a round.
I've notice that it's very common that people try to look for calibers, energy, and velocity to find the answer, and I think that is because those are the things that seem really tangible and easily available.
I don't think just looking at these attributes are going to give us the answers we want.
I don't think I know enough to write a doctrine yet, but I can share some of my thoughts.
If we are trying to achieve max penetration then we need to illustrate a good reason for doing so. I think most people have taken this point as just a given and never really questioned why are we prioritizing this over everything else?
let's say some company introduces a new, really good 10mm round and it has some expansion and enough penetration to be found under the fur on the off-side of a coastal if you make a broadside shot.
This would logically do more damage and have greater effectiveness than a 10mm round that easily blows straight through the same bear lengthwise.
I could go on for a while trying to figure out what exactly we need and the reasoning behind it, but like I said, I don't think I have all the answers yet.
The conclusion I keep coming to is that I think an expanding round is the answer, not that other rounds like hard cast or extreme penetrators are useless, but I would choose and expanding round over everything else at this point to bet my life on.
Once I figure out more of this stuff then I can put it together in a more coherent way for a video.
@@infogunvault6920 Wow. Yes, but no goats 🐐😉
I have to agree with some of the other commenters, you are over thinking things. And yes there are times and gun’s that you do not want to use a hard cast bullet, as a hard cast bullet can and will damage some gun’s. And that includes bullets cast from old wheel weights, as old wheel weights are too hard for many guns. But your ammo is always going to be dictated by how your gun loads. Example: self loading magazine fed gun like lever action, semi-automatic/automatic fire arms are always going to require a jacketed round to prevent bullet deformation. Where breach loaded rifles and revolvers can use both jacketed and non-jacketed slugs as there is no risk of bullet deformation during loading.
Didn't I say that it doesn't matter how much penetration the ammunition has if it doesn't feed in your gun?
FMJ rifle bullets with typical jacket thickness and composition (CuZn10) do not fragment under 2000 ft/s impacting normal bone
I use handloaded hornady 180 grain JFP's in my 10mm , 1270fps.
Haven't had to use them on bear/couger yet , hope it works.
Thanks for the excellent video. I don't have a good grasp of bullet design and ballistics. But I was not aware that hard cart bullets have a tendency to shatter when impacting bone. Several youtube personalities have tested hard cast bullets using some kind of simulated bone, i.e., plywood, ceramics, plastic boards, etc. Here's an example, with the tester using Underwood 40 s&w hard cast shells:
th-cam.com/video/McT1ypa3AmI/w-d-xo.html
The bullets in this video held up pretty well. And there are other examples. I guess you could say that the velocity here was moderate (1000 fps) and perhaps the simulated bone barrier was not sufficiently hard and dense. But it does suggest that hard cast bullets may be a workable solution in some scenarios.
Yes I do believe that hard cast is definitely good with certain amounts of impact energy (like the .40) and that certain alloys apparently make it capable of being used even with high impact energy (.44 magnum for example).
Unfortunately I have no way of knowing what made those .44 magnum rounds I tested different. I don't actually even know for sure whether they were heat treated or hard cast, but I do believe they were probably hard cast.
I do believe that if we were to test bullets side-by-side in bone and ceramics, I believe that we would find a ceramic that is very close to acting like bone.
It's always nice to hear that someone likes my videos. Thank you.😁
I agree hard cast is good but, tungsten carbide core is best.
How much armor are these "bears" wearing exactly?
We are talking about the Great Short Face War Bears Division of the Royal Mounties right?
@@advrider631 I thought this was a Florida man-related problem involving the up-armoring of bears in order to protect them from the rampant use of killdozers.
@@infogunvault6920 THIS IS FREAKING COMEDY GOLD!!! First great laugh of the day...Thank you :)