The F2 X offset position is usually set to the center of ID tool holders depending on what turret is on your lathe. To set the center of a drill that can not be set using the F2 button. Set one side of the drill, in the X direction on the probe, then change the X offset by the diameter of the drill to get the center of the drill location in the X tool offset.
Hi again jeppoification. Here are the calibration instructions from our manual. Settings 59, 60, 62 and 63 should be positive numbers and setting 61 should be 0.
To touch off a drill or end mill in a radial holder you would touch off the X on the probe then touch off the Z on the probe and subtract the radius of the tool from the Z offset. To touch off a drill or end mill in an axial holder you would touch off the Z on the probe then touch off the X on the probe and subtract the diameter of the tool from the X offset.
Hello and thank you for the question Jeremy. Here is how to setup an indexable drill using the probe (on a LATHE): Press HAND JOG. Go to the TOOL GEOMETRY screen. Highlight the X column for the drill. Press F2 to load the X offset to the center of an ID holder. Use the probe arm to set the Z offset for the drill. Please let us know if you need anything else.
Automatic Tool Probe Calibration This procedure requires the following: an OD turning tool, a workpiece that will fit in the chuck jaws, a 0-1.0" micrometer to measure the tool probe stylus, and a micrometer to inspect the workpiece diameter. First, make sure that the Automatic Tool Probe (ATP) arm operates correctly: 1. Press MDI/DNC. 2. Type “M104; M105;” (without quotes) and press insert. 3. Press SINGLE BLOCK. 4. Press CYCLE START. The probe arm should move into ready position (down). CONT.
Hi jeppoification. This should help (please let me know if you still have any questions). When the program is running and the tool offsets are active then WORK will show the diameter that you are cutting. When you reach the M30 or press RESET the tool offsets are cancelled and WORK will then show the MACHINE co-ordinates.
11. Jog the tool away to a safe position out of the tool probe arm path. 12. Lower the ATP arm (M104 in MDI). 13. Jog the Z-axis to approximately center the tool tip with the probe stylus. 14. Jog the X-axis to bring the tool tip to approximately 0.25" (6 mm) above the probe stylus. 15. Select the .001" jog increment and hold down the -X button until the probe sounds off and stops the tool. Record the X-axis offset position as a positive number. Call this Offset B. CONT.
5. In the Z-axis only, jog the tool away from the part-do not jog the X-axis away from the diameter. 6. Stop the spindle. 7. Use a micrometer to measure the diameter of the cut made on the workpiece. 8. Press X DIA MEASUR to record the X-axis position in the offset table. 9. Type the workpiece diameter and press ENTER to add it to the X-axis offset. Record this value as a positive number. Call this offset A. 10. Change Settings 59 through 63 to 0 (zero). CONT.
If the probe arm operates as described, continue with the calibration steps below. If it does not operate correctly, contact Haas Service for help. 1. Install the OD turning tool in the tool 1 station of the tool turret. 2. Clamp the workpiece in the chuck. 3. Press OFFSET and clear the offset values for tool 1 on the Tool Geometry page. 4. Use the turning tool in station 1 to take a small cut on the diameter of the material clamped in the spindle. CONT.
Hello Aswin. Unfortunately it is not possible to use the tool pre-setter when a shaft is loaded in the machine and the tailstock or a steady rest is used. You must remove the part and make sure the tailstock is retracted enough to allow the turret to move the tool to the probe. The pre-setter does work when the chuck is closed and the tailstock is retracted. It is no longer possible to operate Manual or Automatic tool pre-setter functions with the door open. Thank you for the question.
MILL: To set the length of an insert drill on a mill you need to run a face mill or end mill length rotating probe cycle. You will need to enter the length of the insert drill and the diameter of the longest insert on the insert drill.
16. Subtract Offset B from Offset A. Enter this value into Setting 59. 17. Measure the width of the probe stylus with the micrometer. Enter this value as a positive number for Settings 62 and 63. Once the tool probe is properly aligned, the values from X Dia Measure and the value from the probe will be the same. 18. Multiply the probe stylus width by two. Subtract that value from Setting 59, and enter this new value as a positive number into Setting 60. Please let me know how this works for you.
I've been inquiring on how this was done on a number of other videos featuring turret lathes and 3-5&7 axis milling machines with no replies and then all of a sudden BOOM this video was right there when I opened youtube . weird . it's like youtube is becoming self-aware . thanx
I love all these informative videos. But curiously, the current Haas Lathe Operator’s Manual describes how to align, test and calibrate the Automatic Tool Presetter but it does not describe how to actually use it.
...cont. I have parts I need to hold +0 / -0.010mm on for bearing journals and I think probing the tool before doing the bore operation would be very handy. I assume that all of this, and the automatic moving probe arm are part of the DS30SSY machine? Thanks.
You mention the break detect sequence can be pasted into a program... I gather the break detect wont re offset the tool, it will just throw an alarm if its worn beyond tolerances... Could the auto probe sequence code be pasted into the program, so it re probes and re zeros the tip? That way if 0.01mm of wear has occured, it will take this into account. I also feel that since this re probe would be done after the tool has indexed, it will compensate for any index inaccuracies. cont....
hi there. we have an sl30y, i have just started this job and noticed straight away that the tool presetter seems to have been setup incorrectly, the x od parameter is set to approx 150.xxx mm and the z front parameter is set to 0.0 so when you have operator/work/machine coordinates displayed they all show the same figures which i would assume from previous experience the work coordinate should show the diameter the tool is cutting???
thanks... i still haven't got to the stage of running yet, so i am confident now the probe parameters are correct but when i go to set my g54 z offset like in this video i come up with a positive value of around 280.xxx mm then the simulation throws a z axis overtravel alarm, the job sits about 1mm shorter then the front face of the probe and i used a wnmg turning tool to set the front face???
Hi newbie question here. How does the tool pre setter determines the x-value for the drill if we only touch it of on z-axis? and is it the same with endmills and drills?
Ok, I tried that and it worked great. If I had a VDI Holder. Say I have the indexable drill in a boring bar holder? Or what if its not an indexable drill at all. Say its a drill chuck in a boring bar holder. How do I center that with the probe?
How you will use a tool pre-setter for shaft works with Tail stock and steady Rest .? Is it really possible . Does pre-setter work in Chuck close/tail stock retract condition?Is there any interlock provided ?Have you by passed any interlock in the video uploaded
Ive been setting offsets with the probe on our ST-10 2012 and came across a circumstance where Id set the offsets for several tools using the probe and also set the z G54. I then needed to add a long drill that was to long for the probe. What is the correct prodedure to set a manual length when all tools and offsets are set with the probe?
Can more than one offset be defined for each tool? For instance, say that a multifunction tool such as an Iscar Picco MFT is placed inside turret tool position #1. This tool has two cutting edges: a drill/boring bar on one side, and a threading tool on the other. Can offset #1 be used for the drill/boring bar length, and offset #13 (because the turret has only 12 positions) be used for the threading edge length? Also, what about two-sided boring bars on sub-spindle machines? How can the tool-probe measure boring bars or milling tools that face backwards?
Please, help me. I have done all as you show here. When I pushed the green button I have no movement and no any program in MDI window. Lathe machine is HAAS 25Y.
Hallo, I have a question for the zero work offset. Why is the tool touch to the material just in z axis? And why we are not doing same thing for the x axis? Im sorry for my bad english. I hope someone can help me cause i really newbie with it :)
Hi again hoarp001. Here is the answer from your question from Haas applications engineer Anthony: G212 H(x) K(x) is for tool break detection, it is intended for checking the broken tool. You should use AUTOMATIC cycle, G212 H9(x) without the K variable. You can also run the G212 to check for tool breakage first, then follow by G212 Automatic cycle to update the tool data. If you have any questions, Anthony is happy to help. Thank you hoarp001. Anthony Banh 805-278-1800 x 7207 abanh@haascnc.com
When I run the program it keeps telling me "probe is down" I can run M104 and the probe comes down but when I run M105 nothing happens. I can not touch off my tools because it will not run. Anyone have any ideas?
I hate those machanical tool setters. They are much complicated and stay often in the way to getting a tool set, espacially on the Takisawa i has to work with. Fine made optical tool setters are faster, safer and easier to use. They are also extrem precise.
Really happy that you like it and it saves time. Thanks for the compliment brujoezln!
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The F2 X offset position is usually set to the center of ID tool holders depending on what turret is on your lathe. To set the center of a drill that can not be set using the F2 button. Set one side of the drill, in the X direction on the probe, then change the X offset by the diameter of the drill to get the center of the drill location in the X tool offset.
Hi again jeppoification. Here are the calibration instructions from our manual. Settings 59, 60, 62 and 63 should be positive numbers and setting 61 should be 0.
To touch off a drill or end mill in a radial holder you would touch off the X on the probe then touch off the Z on the probe and subtract the radius of the tool from the Z offset.
To touch off a drill or end mill in an axial holder you would touch off the Z on the probe then touch off the X on the probe and subtract the diameter of the tool from the X offset.
Hello and thank you for the question Jeremy.
Here is how to setup an indexable drill using the probe (on a LATHE):
Press HAND JOG.
Go to the TOOL GEOMETRY screen.
Highlight the X column for the drill.
Press F2 to load the X offset to the center of an ID holder.
Use the probe arm to set the Z offset for the drill.
Please let us know if you need anything else.
Automatic Tool Probe Calibration
This procedure requires the following: an OD turning tool, a workpiece that will fit in the chuck jaws, a 0-1.0" micrometer to measure the tool probe stylus, and a micrometer to inspect the workpiece diameter.
First, make sure that the Automatic Tool Probe (ATP) arm operates correctly:
1. Press MDI/DNC.
2. Type “M104; M105;” (without quotes) and press insert.
3. Press SINGLE BLOCK.
4. Press CYCLE START. The probe arm should move into ready position (down).
CONT.
hi, we just got a ST10 with this feature, works great and saves a lot of time. Keep up the good work
Hi jeppoification. This should help (please let me know if you still have any questions).
When the program is running and the tool offsets are active then WORK will show the diameter that you are cutting. When you reach the M30 or press RESET the tool offsets are cancelled and WORK will then show the MACHINE co-ordinates.
11. Jog the tool away to a safe position out of the tool probe arm path.
12. Lower the ATP arm (M104 in MDI).
13. Jog the Z-axis to approximately center the tool tip with the probe stylus.
14. Jog the X-axis to bring the tool tip to approximately 0.25" (6 mm) above the probe stylus.
15. Select the .001" jog increment and hold down the -X button until the probe sounds off and stops the tool. Record the X-axis offset position as a positive number. Call this Offset B.
CONT.
5. In the Z-axis only, jog the tool away from the part-do not jog the X-axis away from the diameter.
6. Stop the spindle.
7. Use a micrometer to measure the diameter of the cut made on the workpiece.
8. Press X DIA MEASUR to record the X-axis position in the offset table.
9. Type the workpiece diameter and press ENTER to add it to the X-axis offset. Record this value as a positive number. Call this offset A.
10. Change Settings 59 through 63 to 0 (zero).
CONT.
If the probe arm operates as described, continue with the calibration steps below. If it does not operate correctly, contact Haas Service for help.
1. Install the OD turning tool in the tool 1 station of the tool turret.
2. Clamp the workpiece in the chuck.
3. Press OFFSET and clear the offset values for tool 1 on the Tool Geometry page.
4. Use the turning tool in station 1 to take a small cut on the diameter of the material clamped in the spindle.
CONT.
Hello Aswin. Unfortunately it is not possible to use the tool pre-setter when a shaft is loaded in the machine and the tailstock or a steady rest is used. You must remove the part and make sure the tailstock is retracted enough to allow the turret to move the tool to the probe.
The pre-setter does work when the chuck is closed and the tailstock is retracted.
It is no longer possible to operate Manual or Automatic tool pre-setter functions with the door open.
Thank you for the question.
MILL:
To set the length of an insert drill on a mill you need to run a face mill or end mill length rotating probe cycle. You will need to enter the length of the insert drill and the diameter of the longest insert on the insert drill.
16. Subtract Offset B from Offset A. Enter this value into Setting 59.
17. Measure the width of the probe stylus with the micrometer. Enter this value as a positive number for Settings 62 and 63. Once the tool probe is properly aligned, the values from X Dia Measure and the value from the probe will be the same.
18. Multiply the probe stylus width by two. Subtract that value from Setting 59, and enter this new value as a positive number into Setting 60.
Please let me know how this works for you.
I've been inquiring on how this was done on a number of other videos featuring turret lathes and 3-5&7 axis milling machines with no replies and then all of a sudden BOOM this video was right there when I opened youtube . weird . it's like youtube is becoming self-aware . thanx
Thanks Haas another great training video
how do you calibrate the probe?
remember boys and girls...there are two kinds of operators; those who have crashed the machine and those who will.....
also those who doing by purpose.....
M. Iqbal Its been known to happen...i know who they are !
lone ranger That's sadly true! :) :/
I love all these informative videos. But curiously, the current Haas Lathe Operator’s Manual describes how to align, test and calibrate the Automatic Tool Presetter but it does not describe how to actually use it.
...cont. I have parts I need to hold +0 / -0.010mm on for bearing journals and I think probing the tool before doing the bore operation would be very handy. I assume that all of this, and the automatic moving probe arm are part of the DS30SSY machine? Thanks.
You mention the break detect sequence can be pasted into a program... I gather the break detect wont re offset the tool, it will just throw an alarm if its worn beyond tolerances... Could the auto probe sequence code be pasted into the program, so it re probes and re zeros the tip? That way if 0.01mm of wear has occured, it will take this into account. I also feel that since this re probe would be done after the tool has indexed, it will compensate for any index inaccuracies. cont....
hi there. we have an sl30y, i have just started this job and noticed straight away that the tool presetter seems to have been setup incorrectly, the x od parameter is set to approx 150.xxx mm and the z front parameter is set to 0.0 so when you have operator/work/machine coordinates displayed they all show the same figures which i would assume from previous experience the work coordinate should show the diameter the tool is cutting???
thanks... i still haven't got to the stage of running yet, so i am confident now the probe parameters are correct but when i go to set my g54 z offset like in this video i come up with a positive value of around 280.xxx mm then the simulation throws a z axis overtravel alarm, the job sits about 1mm shorter then the front face of the probe and i used a wnmg turning tool to set the front face???
Hi newbie question here. How does the tool pre setter determines the x-value for the drill if we only touch it of on z-axis? and is it the same with endmills and drills?
no conocia esa funcion muy buena
Ok, I tried that and it worked great. If I had a VDI Holder. Say I have the indexable drill in a boring bar holder? Or what if its not an indexable drill at all. Say its a drill chuck in a boring bar holder. How do I center that with the probe?
How you will use a tool pre-setter for shaft works with Tail stock and steady Rest .? Is it really possible .
Does pre-setter work in Chuck close/tail stock retract condition?Is there any interlock provided ?Have you by passed any interlock in the video uploaded
Ive been setting offsets with the probe on our ST-10 2012 and came across a circumstance where Id set the offsets for several tools using the probe and also set the z G54.
I then needed to add a long drill that was to long for the probe. What is the correct prodedure to set a manual length when all tools and offsets are set with the probe?
thankyou for the in depth reply, all is good now ;)
Also, how would you do a drill and an endmill with the live tooling? Radial and axial.
Can more than one offset be defined for each tool? For instance, say that a multifunction tool such as an Iscar Picco MFT is placed inside turret tool position #1. This tool has two cutting edges: a drill/boring bar on one side, and a threading tool on the other. Can offset #1 be used for the drill/boring bar length, and offset #13 (because the turret has only 12 positions) be used for the threading edge length? Also, what about two-sided boring bars on sub-spindle machines? How can the tool-probe measure boring bars or milling tools that face backwards?
that was very helpful
How do you set up an indexable drill using the probe?
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Which tool tip direction? Drill? Parting??
this is the second time im using a haas cnc lathe for my school project. i'm so nervous >.
I know it's been a very long time, but how did your school project go? What school uses such a sophisticated lathe like this?
Please, help me. I have done all as you show here. When I pushed the green button I have no movement and no any program in MDI window. Lathe machine is HAAS 25Y.
Your local Haas Factory Outlet will be able to assist you. You can you find contact info for the HFO nearest you at www.haascnc.com/finddealer.asp
I can do it by myself. It's works. I'm in ecstasy :) Thanks.
i love haas
how do yuo slow down the tool arms speed the ones we have come down to fast and bounce and it keeps throwing the setter off
+Daniel Rowlan
how do yuo slow down the tool arms speed the ones we have come down to fast and bounce and it keeps throwing the setter off
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Electric or pneumatic actuation?
We have the same problem we have hydraulic one dont have a detailed scheme or drawing for that so could not solve this speed issue
Hallo, I have a question for the zero work offset. Why is the tool touch to the material just in z axis? And why we are not doing same thing for the x axis? Im sorry for my bad english. I hope someone can help me cause i really newbie with it :)
because its a lathe you always work from the centre
thnks to haas
Hi again hoarp001. Here is the answer from your question from Haas applications engineer Anthony:
G212 H(x) K(x) is for tool break detection, it is intended for checking the broken tool. You should use AUTOMATIC cycle, G212 H9(x) without the K variable. You can also run the G212 to check for tool breakage first, then follow by G212 Automatic cycle to update the tool data.
If you have any questions, Anthony is happy to help. Thank you hoarp001.
Anthony Banh
805-278-1800 x 7207
abanh@haascnc.com
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When I run the program it keeps telling me "probe is down" I can run M104 and the probe comes down but when I run M105 nothing happens. I can not touch off my tools because it will not run. Anyone have any ideas?
Oh, so THAT'S how you use Break Detect. Wish I knew that a few years ago...
porgramar paragraph need help living tool , and the C axis
I hate those machanical tool setters. They are much complicated and stay often in the way to getting a tool set, espacially on the Takisawa i has to work with. Fine made optical tool setters are faster, safer and easier to use.
They are also extrem precise.
F1 for closing probe?! fuk and i'm using M104, M105 in MDI =)
На всех станках сломался ваш ренишоу 🤬
HE WHO SAYS I'VE NEVER CRASHED AND HAS BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR A WHILE...WELL HE IS EITHER LYING ON WORKS IN THE OFFICE.
blaah not so automatic. need tell where probe is and propably enter tool lenght. i measure tool faster by hand. without probe LOL
ugly layout and turret finish. oh its haas