Gerry Conway's SPIDER-MAN: The Tragedy and Evolution of a Hero

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  • An analysis of writer Gerry Conway's 39 issue Spider-Man run from the '70s, focusing on his storytelling techniques, artistic collaborators, the death of Gwen Stacy, the evolution of Peter Parker, and his behind the scenes struggles.
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  • @magnusprime962
    @magnusprime962 4 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    In retrospect, handing off a college-age Spider-Man to a college-age kid with experience in writing was a brilliant move. Conway really was perfect for the role, and he turned out some fantastic stories. I also love the contrast in how Gwen died vs. Uncle Ben. Ben would be alive if Peter had been a hero, and Gwen would be alive if he hadn’t. It’s the perfect Catch-22 for the character.

    • @themadtitan7603
      @themadtitan7603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      That's why am sick of media adaptations constantly insisting on setting him in high-school: his best stories are set in his adult, more mature years.

    • @josesarango3408
      @josesarango3408 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@themadtitan7603 preach

    • @pulsarstargrave256
      @pulsarstargrave256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @The Mad Titan\I agree, that's why I'm such a fan of the Raimi Trilogy

    • @JACk79457
      @JACk79457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Mad Titan snap and make it so

    • @themadtitan7603
      @themadtitan7603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@pulsarstargrave256 Same here. And also Spider-Man PS4.

  • @ThatGuyWithAComment
    @ThatGuyWithAComment 4 ปีที่แล้ว +334

    I never knew Conway was an actual teenager when he started on this run!!! Makes the story feel even more authentic when it was written by someone who was young like Spiderman and already carried a lot of responsibility

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      For sure! It explains a lot in the shift in emotions and plot that Conway brought to the comic. He was super talented at such a young age for a published author.

    • @themadtitan7603
      @themadtitan7603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MattDraper Yes, and I believe these "shifts in emotions" really added a layer to an already emotionally rich and complex run.

    • @HerrEllsworth
      @HerrEllsworth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If only Marvel would have allowed such talent today.

    • @slagit
      @slagit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah it is amazing how young he was starting in the business and what a talent he was as a writer!

    • @slagit
      @slagit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HerrEllsworth Yes the art and writing of those issues was amazing no pun intended. I was one of those lucky kids buying those comics. I did stop buying Marvel back in 85 due to their treatment of Jack Kirby and I think I have only bought two issues since then. Anyways glancing at recent Marvel comics man I am not missing much!

  • @Bryan-gy2zu
    @Bryan-gy2zu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    Gerry Conway- One of the most underrated pioneers of the Marvel Universe. In my eyes, he belongs up there with Stan, and Jack. Somehow Conway has been writing comics for decades and has always reinvented himself so that they never feel dated and as if he’s a new writer each decade

    • @johnathonhaney8291
      @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Andrew Vachss said years and years ago that writing is not a meritocracy. A lot of the good ones slip under the radar because the noisier talents get the press (which is why despite doing far more for DC AND Marvel, Denny O'Neill is lesser known than Frank Miller). The one saving grace for a writer is to keep on working, which Conway does.

    • @themadtitan7603
      @themadtitan7603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I know right it's kind of frusturating when this happens. But I prefer creatively diverse and talented artist than a popular one who while still good, doesn't really do much different in terms of his work.

    • @TheDukeofMadness
      @TheDukeofMadness 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      His Batman run in the early 80s details his maturity as a writer.

    • @wtk6069
      @wtk6069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He did years of classic JLA and Batman stories, too.

    • @galactic85
      @galactic85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@johnathonhaney8291 Dennys O'Neil >>>>>> frank Miller. As much as I like daredevil born again O'Neil created several single issue stories for the question that were just as good in my opinion.

  • @johnathonhaney8291
    @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    Much like with the Rolling Stones, I really think that while he was created in the 1960s, it was the 1970s that defined Spiderman. Unstable relationships, constant blowback from being a superhero and the second biggest tragedy in Peter's life...all this comes from Conway's run. You can hear echoes of that last in Jim Starlin and Jim Aparo's legendary Batman storyline Death In The Family.

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There are similarities but Gwen is still dead whereas Jason is alive again.

    • @johnathonhaney8291
      @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tayojones9460 Gwen is technically alive again too as Spider-Gwen.

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That is not the real Gwen. The real Gwen is dead. She is just walking fan service.

    • @johnathonhaney8291
      @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@tayojones9460 Pfft...a purist argument that holds no water when one remembers that we're talking about fictional characters. As Alan Moore put it in Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow, "This is an imaginary story...but aren't they all?"

    • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
      @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      At least Peter didn't have to exile himself to main street

  • @AldenRDavis
    @AldenRDavis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Throughout the years, SPIDER-MAN has strongly triumph over tragedy.

    • @maverickslb80
      @maverickslb80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He's the best of the best.

  • @Protocol36
    @Protocol36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    The fact that Gerry Conway was this young developing and changing Peter's life in such an massive fashion is really impressive. Not to mention giving some of the most defining Spidey moments along with Lee/Ditko and JMS

    • @marcobrilli8669
      @marcobrilli8669 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yo bro cool to see u here👋

    • @Protocol36
      @Protocol36 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marcobrilli8669 Hey it's good to see you too bro! 👊

    • @marcobrilli8669
      @marcobrilli8669 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Protocol36 nice to see u watch Matt Draper too,just when I thought u couldn't be more amazing(pun intended) pal 👍👏👊💯

    • @Protocol36
      @Protocol36 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marcobrilli8669 Thank you man, you're amazing too as always bro 🙌💯

  • @johnnieriot13
    @johnnieriot13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    In a time in which entertainment is relied upon heavily this channel is the cream of the crop. Great episode

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks! I just hope the videos can make things a little bit better for anyone that watches.

  • @cretinouscretin9677
    @cretinouscretin9677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    In all honesty, the 70s and 80s were probably the best years for comic books and superheroes, especially for Marvel. Yeah, the 60s were great, but outside of Ditko, Kirby and Lee, there wasn't a whole lot of truly great talent. The 70s-80s gave us Starlin, Byrne, Miller, Waid, Davis, Claremont, Stern, Simonson, Moore, Andru, Shooter, Perez, Romita, Perlin, Conway, Englehart, Gerber, Moench, Layton, Zeck, Ploog, Gruenwald, Thomas, Milgrom, Wolfman, Brunner, Colan, Pollard, Windsor-Smith, DeFalco, and Michelinie. All wrote great things, and either went and did greater things, or became beloved people to the fanbase (Gruenwald specifically, that guy was amazing).
    Gosh what a time to be a comics fan that must have been...

    • @wtk6069
      @wtk6069 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Some random 60s greats who can hold their own against 70s and 80s talent: Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby, Gil Kane, Carmine Infantino, Joe Kubert, Jim Steranko, Curt Swan, Don Heck, Alex Toth, Joe Orlando, Sergio Aragones, Roy Thomas, Marv Wolfman (who began his comics career in 1965, not the 70s), Gary Freidrich, and a kid named Jim Shooter.

    • @bobtwichew3103
      @bobtwichew3103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. I enjoyed comics the most during the 70's and 80's. Is it because of my age(born in 70) or were these two decades the peak for Marvel. I like to think a bit of both. I know this is off point,but I was never a huge fan of Kraven The Hunter. I just never could grasp how Spidey's rogue's gallery of criminals was all these colorful creative foes and then we have a big game Hunter with fur around his neck? I actually hate Kraven,I'm not interested in seeing him in the 3rd MCU Spidey film. Loved Trantula. Those poisoness spikes on his boots. The huge Trantula on his costume with the spider legs going all the way down his legs. The simple mask tied around the back of his head. Great character. Of course Green Goblin is/was the best. Always will be. They could've made every Spiderman comic with the Green Goblin and I wouldn't have minded. Peace, Bobtwi.

    • @robd1329
      @robd1329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      70s were boring

  • @SnapperChannel
    @SnapperChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I feel like I’m repeating what I said on one of your Daredevil videos, but the one thing that’s cool about superhero comics is that while a character might be created by one team, it’s different writers that can make a character has staying power (like Claremont’s X-Men or Joe Kelly with Deadpool). Spider-Man may have been Lee and Diko’s creation but you have shown me that Conway is the one who defined the character. Really need to read more of this Spider-Man run (I believe I’ve only read Gwen’s death arc). I would love to for you to talk about JMS Spider-Man (minus those two arcs that shall not be named).
    Also love the music nod to your Spider-Man Blue video.

    • @thespider8654
      @thespider8654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Oh heck yeah dude. He needs to one day talk about JMS Spidey run. Spider-Man : Coming Home is still one of the best stories he has written. TASM series is written by so many great writers. He also need to one day talk about Nick Spencer run.

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      That’s a core truth that needs repeating and really is part of their lasting appeal. It was a lot of fun to read through the entire run and while it takes a few dips, it’s worth reading all the way through

    • @anthony_dimaggio
      @anthony_dimaggio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What you said couldn't be anymore true 👏👏👍

    • @thespider8654
      @thespider8654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@MattDraper I sometimes feel like there should be an animated tv show that is an tribute to Gerry Conway and John Romita Sr era.

    • @tayojones9460
      @tayojones9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would be amazing. Nice change from all the other Spidey cartoon set during high school

  • @jamesjackson6563
    @jamesjackson6563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Point blank period John Romita Sr is my favorite Spider-Man artist back in these days when Spider-Man comics we're good and ORIGINAL great video 💯

  • @TheAaronMunch
    @TheAaronMunch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Been a quiet fan for a while now, and I just wanted to say I love your videos. They've given me a much deeper respect and knowledge about my favourite Super Hero. The 'Spider-Man''s Defining Moment' video gives me such inspiration and empowerment as a constantly-learning artist/writer, and the 'Spider-Man is for Children' video made me shed a tear. It reminded me how much I love this character and what he means to me, and what he means to many others. Spider-Man is such an important character and this channel is very important to me. Seriously, thank you for doing what you do.

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wow thank you! It’s amazing to hear that and I’m so glad that my videos have done that for you. Spider-Man is an extremely important character to me, too. So I want every video I make about him to make a positive difference for others. Thank you for watching and for your kind words.

  • @DzustComics
    @DzustComics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Matt, I wanted to thank you once more for your work! Your in depth looks into comics are part of what brought me into the medium and remain a source of great watching material. And in times as mad as these your emotionally intelligent and deeply analytical content motivates mea and often makes me more optimistic. Keep up your amazing work! 🙏

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you, that’s fantastic to hear! There’s so much out of our control these days, but we can control how we impact each other and I hope these videos make a small positive difference.

  • @Koopaklown
    @Koopaklown 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Amazing Stuff! Fingers crossed for the Michelinie run down the line!

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That would be fun to do!

    • @jalonjones8567
      @jalonjones8567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes!!! Love his work.

  • @Jor-On
    @Jor-On 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    5:37 is what we need more of in comics. Putting our heroes through struggles and have the come out victorious. Nice video as always. You always give 10000% in your videos and we are truly grateful. Stay healthy. Excelsior !!!

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you and you stay healthy, too!

    • @johnathonhaney8291
      @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it was also the secret weapon that made Smallville the success it was.

  • @geokes64
    @geokes64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ross Andru was the Spider-Man artist of my youth in the 1970s. I loved Conway's run and Andru's art on it.

  • @EVGriffinJr
    @EVGriffinJr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    His run on Spiderman are my favorite stories! I was born October 3, 1974 and I’ve seen a lot of hairs of this character but Gerry Conway’s run holds a special place in my heart! In my opinion, it was his run that truly defined the Peter Parker version of Spiderman!

  • @---mh7dk
    @---mh7dk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's so nice for someone to bring up the weight Gerry Conway's narrative choice carry in the overall story of Spider-Man. I had no idea he was so young when he wrote those stories.

  • @thomasagar273
    @thomasagar273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    12:37 lol corona. Guess we cant escape this virus even in essays about nearly 50 year old comics.

  • @KINGBADASS100
    @KINGBADASS100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You know, a video on John Byrne’s run on She-Hulk or Fantatsic Four (which also had She-Hulk in it) might be interesting.

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It would definitely be interesting!

    • @srstriker6420
      @srstriker6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matt Draper how about Malice the mistress of hate storyline

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      She-Hulk on her own was somewhat too comedic for me but I liked her in Fantastic Four

  • @Dhampir101980
    @Dhampir101980 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Another home run, Matt! The next Spidey video should either be Roger Sterns’ hobgoblin storyline or Spider-man:Life Story by Chip Zdarsky.

  • @counselor_guy
    @counselor_guy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I'll be honest, I pressed on this video by accident. But boy am I glad I stayed! Consider me subscribed!

  • @AceLM92
    @AceLM92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I hope I can meet Gerry Conway at a con again, but this time keep on topic with Spider-man questions. First time I met him I asked about Gwen Stacy, but I lost track and asked a bunch of questions about the Punisher.

  • @kaiwilliams141
    @kaiwilliams141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ross Andru is my favorite Spider-Man artist. Glad to see him highlighted

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I love gerry conway spider-man it was really awesome and fantastic and a great story for peter parker and mary jane :)

  • @Wobble9000
    @Wobble9000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Playing Love - Bensound during the Gwey Stacy segment, same track from your Spider-Man Blue video. Well played.

  • @eldiablodelsur
    @eldiablodelsur 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Another home run, Matt. Excellent coverage of Conway's run. The death of Gwen Stacy was such a pivotal event in the history of comics, essentially ending the Silver Age. You handled the event, and its after-effects admirably.

  • @anthony_dimaggio
    @anthony_dimaggio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Your videos are always scenes of jubilation, I wish more people would watch your videos and give you a subscribe,they are so well made, well though out, and educational, I learn something new about this great artform everytime I watch, keep up the great work 👍👏👏

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you! So glad you enjoy them. I'm just happy to have this many people watching as they do now. It feels amazing to be able to reach as many as I already do.

  • @arthur4350
    @arthur4350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wonderful and lovely video. Great that you praised Conway's full work on ASM rather than just the night gwen stacy died. Glad that you emphasized that Conway's run was about a Peter who grew...and that the love story with Mary Jane was the emotional center of it all.

  • @dppool456
    @dppool456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We need a Spider-Man TV show that has a season that explores grief through adapting Conway´s run. Harry, Punisher, Dr. Warren, and Peter are all so easy to contrast in a compelling story on that theme.

    • @renujankanagaratnam3912
      @renujankanagaratnam3912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spectacular Spider man later season was going to be explore that

  • @colinbrightwell4544
    @colinbrightwell4544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Matt, you are doing the Lord's work. Thank you for this - brought back memories of finding my father's old collection of Conway's run when he was 15 and buying Spidey, and me reading them as a kid, so entertained by what I was looking at, and forging that bond with my old man. Keep up the amazing work.

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! That’s awesome. That would be such a cool thing to bond over.

  • @tomgriffin-v5u
    @tomgriffin-v5u ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even after all these years which includes not reading comics, I still tear up when I read or hear about the death of Gwen Stacey.

  • @maverickslb80
    @maverickslb80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great video... I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, he will always be my favorite. Gerry Conway was one of the best (the best?) writers on Spider-Man. And The Night Gwen Stacy Died is still the most shocking moment in the history of comics. That comic book ended the innocence of comics and definitely introduced them for adults.

  • @larrytoons6220
    @larrytoons6220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I guess you could say that this video was AMAZING!!

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I get that reference!

    • @stealthynaxo
      @stealthynaxo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah man. I say it was...
      SPECTACULAR!

    • @larrytoons6220
      @larrytoons6220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nah it was
      SUPERIOR

    • @larrytoons6220
      @larrytoons6220 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Frank Castle aaaaand cut!

  • @supernerdgavin
    @supernerdgavin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been going through the original Spider-Man comics for a while now and really enjoy Gerry Conway’s run. Also I just recently found out me and him share a birthday, so that’s freaking cool for me.

  • @hacksaw5800
    @hacksaw5800 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these two stories so much. And every time they make me cry.

  • @tayojones9460
    @tayojones9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Despite his recent actions, Conway left a huge impact of Peter that is still being felt to this day. This is the run where Peter truly became Spider-Man. Great work Matt.

  • @Sultan0fSpeed
    @Sultan0fSpeed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would love to see you talk about Dennis O'Neils run on Batman from the 70s

    • @johnathonhaney8291
      @johnathonhaney8291 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seconded...Denny has been underestimated and ignored far too long in favor of Frank Miller.

  • @jameskiely3093
    @jameskiely3093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Maybe you could do one on Conway's 80's/90's run on Spiderman. It gets overlooked. Reading it you can see how Gerry had matured as a writer.

  • @huntergarrett6602
    @huntergarrett6602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OH, I know, how about cover Ed Piskanor's "X-Men: Grand Design" trilogy?

  • @joelgreenlee9421
    @joelgreenlee9421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really dug this video. I know how awesome the Stan/Ditko combo is, but I feel that he got better as he went into the Bronze age. Thanks for making it!

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gwen's one of the few characters in comics they've never brought back. Yeah she's been cloned loads of times and there have been alternate universe versions of her but the real Gwen Stacy has never been resurrected since the comic where she died.

    • @Piratequeen1501
      @Piratequeen1501 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because she is more relevant dead than alive. Her death was impactful for the development of Spider-Man. He failed to save her despite having super powers.

  • @jayfolk
    @jayfolk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "We *kill* the silver age of comics." 🕷🕷🕷

    • @dariootero6555
      @dariootero6555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      N.Y in 70s....🔪🔫⚰️❗🔥🌃

  • @zeexpixels
    @zeexpixels 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Job! The video wouldn't have been as fun to watch without the montages and bright graphics. After I saw the end tag "Spider-man appears monthly in Marvel Comics magazines" on the reruns of the 1967 cartoon series, I decided to buy one. 25 cents later, I had a copy of ASM #140 in my hands. Glad you included Gil Kane's iconic cover. Not the most noteworthy issue in Conway's run but, as you stated, the tone was dark and fast. I looked at page one and here was Peter Parker all right but this is definitely the middle of a story in progress and it's not a good one. Peter is in trouble. My only beef was not giving a shout to Dave Hunt, the inker on many of the Andru pencils in the run. Whether he was staying true to Andru's pencils or bringing something of his own to the art is debatable. But there was a heavy film noir feel to many of the mid 70's ASM books. It's as if the run was the Marvel commentary on cinematography of the day; The Exorcist, Serpico, Godfather I & II.

  • @joshuanelson6795
    @joshuanelson6795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gerry Conway is easily one of the greatest Spider-Man writers of all time. His second stint on the character in the late 80s is also really good, yet sadly overlooked.

  • @jozefserf2024
    @jozefserf2024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another excellent summing up. I like the way you pay attention to the colours as this is often where the magic lies.
    The Conway/ Andru run is the only one that comes close to the Ditko/ Lee one.
    Gwen's death was tough to take but then so is real life. 99% of comics are an immature joke but Conway's Spider-Man run hits pretty hard.

  • @1dbanner
    @1dbanner หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Romantically tragic" best sums up this intensely character-driven era of Spider-Man, and it's my favorite (and I wasn't born until the early 80s).

  • @themadtitan7603
    @themadtitan7603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video, Matt!
    If Stan Lee/Ditko's run introduced Spider-Man
    Conway's run DEFINES him. All the emotions, relatbility, focus on the supporting cast and romantic interests compared to other superhero comics from their run but amped up to 11.
    I rarely read entire superhero runs with the same level of emotional complexity, character development and continuity as Conway's run was.

  • @dawwe8869
    @dawwe8869 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always! Some of the best Spidey comics!

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Such a blast to reread and analyze.

  • @andrewheard3099
    @andrewheard3099 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the Spider-man I grew up with! Thank god I inherited one of my dad's best friends, early 70s comics. Made me love JR senior and Andru. Some of my fave artists ❤

  • @therussiancomicbookgeek
    @therussiancomicbookgeek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The art looks so beautiful I gotta read this

  • @JoesGeekShow
    @JoesGeekShow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An excellent video, man. Gwen Stacy's death was such a punch in the gut and I think you illustrated perfectly how essential it was to move Spider-Man forward by having his life be affected because he was a hero rather than him ignoring the call which led to Uncle Ben's death. The video was edited beautifully as well I loved the use of the panels to help bring home your points.

  • @Zartak343
    @Zartak343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have nothing to add except great video man. I’ve always have a interest on Spider-man, but I found it difficult to relate until recently. So I’ll check Gerry Conway’s run and see how it pairs with my taste, also I hope you are doing well in these hard times.

  • @tysonlehner6759
    @tysonlehner6759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved the video. Can’t wait for the next one!

  • @j.s.connolly8579
    @j.s.connolly8579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually... I LOVED the whole "Spider Mobile" comics because it showed some humor and comradely between Johnny Storm and Spidy! :D

    • @uncannydcmarvelous5732
      @uncannydcmarvelous5732 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Torchy and Spidey, Marvel's First ever bromance (? before Beast and Wonder Man.

  • @AmazingSpiderTalk
    @AmazingSpiderTalk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. This was fun to revisit after doing a whole season on this run.

  • @mikekhouri7
    @mikekhouri7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Y'know, Matt... I wish I could like your videos more than once. I've lost count of how many videos you made that I've rewatched time and time again. I think this is my first time seeing this one? Either way, keep up the good work, buddy.

  • @alexandrefrauches132
    @alexandrefrauches132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing video dude! While I'm not a big fan of dark stories with light hearted characters, since I feel the two elements don't mix well with each other (ex: MoS and BvS), Gerry Conway's Spider man is one exception. Conway really was able to add this mature elements for the Spider man, but not at expense the character essence. Spider man was still the fun and relatable hero in Conway's run, and the dark elements didn't feel forced or out of place but rather they felt like the next step in Peter Parker life, with him dealing with more dark and mature problems of reality and still be able to overcome them and continue to be a inspiration for many readers like video.

    • @Christ2010Grad
      @Christ2010Grad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alexandre Frauches That’s the problem with what Snyder did: Man of Steel had a serious tone at the expense of Superman’s character essence.

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Christ2010Grad Exacly. The worst part is that Snyder idea is nothing new. There have been stories and adaptations of Superman with a serious and mature tone, the best exemple been the Superman Animated Series and JLU. He had no excuse for failing to capture Superman's main core, even if his movie had a serious tone to it, when it had many sources he could based the movie from. That was a epic fail.

    • @Christ2010Grad
      @Christ2010Grad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alexandre Frauches Hoo boy, I’ve been thinking about Superman the Animated Series think that Snyder should have just taken inspiration from that show as the creators “GOT”Superman and he didn’t have to become dark or edgy even when his stories did.
      Hiring Zack Snyder was a mistake.

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Christ2010Grad I thought the same. In fact I think the DCEU would have work much better if Warner had their movie shared universe being based in the DCAU, that was basiacly the DCEU concept done right, having serious themes but also faithfull to the essence and spirit of the comics.

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Christ2010Grad "Hiring Zack Snyder was a mistake"
      Agree. DC/Warner should had hire someone like Brad Bird or Joe Johnson, who know how to make big action movies with likable heroes and inspiring stories.

  • @detective___mcnulty
    @detective___mcnulty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I miss Gwen Stacy and not from the alternate universe. Comic writers always break up marriages, Mary-Jane included.

  • @PCmor
    @PCmor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I still wish they'd left Norman Osborn dead. Bringing him back took away some of the poignance of Gwen's death. The Norman they brought back wasn't the one I recall them killing off, either. It's like they brought him back as Lex Luthor.

    • @bigevil1001
      @bigevil1001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My thoughts exactly.

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Philip Cmor absolute Facts. Norman Osborn also killed a baby in the Clone Saga and got away with it

  • @keypath4389
    @keypath4389 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At last!! A video that recognize Andru's geniuses!!! His flowing panel composition is really great! Always prioritize clear, easy to understand flowing pictures over cool drawing and poses.

  • @MrMangaman1
    @MrMangaman1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching again after the premier, a great video for an excellent run!

  • @smackroscoe
    @smackroscoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was so well put together that I’ve subscribed. Conway was a genius. My favorite Spider-Man run. Thank you for bringing back fantastic memories for those times in the hobby.

  • @rayancedrichaddad1197
    @rayancedrichaddad1197 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for this Authentic Analysis of the Gerry Conway's work on Spider-Man Developments. She's already one of my favorites Comicbook Analysis.
    We feel the Evolution of Peter Parker/Spider-Man from the Teenage years to Adulthood, Linked to the work he made. Also how the events of the Seventies decade influence the Inspirations for Profound comicbook stories.
    I never knew he developed also the Relationship between Peter Parker/Spider-Man and Mary-Jane Watson. That's a fact we owe him.
    Thank you Matt. Because you know the values of Great Hero like Spider-Man defines Great Responsibility.

  • @parabolee
    @parabolee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Conway, what a legend! Some of the bets Spidey comic ever and he was 19 years old!!

  • @landoftoontopia1160
    @landoftoontopia1160 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for these super in-depth analysis of comics. As a teen getting into comics, I really like hearing about the deeper meaning behind certain stories and arcs and this gave me a whole new view on Stacey's death and Silver Age Spidey in general. Thank you again!

  • @urenemashere9089
    @urenemashere9089 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The single most underrated channel on TH-cam. Stay safe, Matt!!

  • @144wychwood
    @144wychwood 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, thank you for your detailed retrospective, articulate examinations of Marvel comics, characters and creators. Refreshing compared to gimmicky, ego-driven, poorly edited, mile a minute staccato approach by most others on TH-cam. Not sure how much work is put into these videos but the end results is top notch.

  • @cecilDisharoon
    @cecilDisharoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was shared with me on FB's Marvel Fans 1961-86. I love how you use just enough plot exposirion for the newcomer and fill this meticulously- edited video with insights. You've earned the kudos and community.
    Now: you surely know cover dates are not release dates. It's hard to get a precise fix sometimes on the release date, but when I was ten, I figured out the 80s comics were four months ahead of the cover date- which is a pull date. So June, 1973 is not when Conway and company changed comics forever.
    One thing I noticed because I am reading for my Creating Marvels podcast. Your complex sentences in the first half sometimes are so packed with interpolated clauses, the information- illustrated with the bright eye-popping 70s coloring- gets crowded! But I see how that sort of bookkeeping is not your prime interest: it's the Conway melodrama. Romita, Kane, and Andru tease out visual subtlety in a way that is often sheer directorial framing genius!
    I would rap with you about the aesthetics of the coloring - made to pop on old newsprint. But autoplay reveals you're absolutely killing it on my favorite modern comic, Immortal Hulk! It needs my full attention! Be chill, Cease ill

  • @ConTrollerNorth2
    @ConTrollerNorth2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the cover @ 2:14. I guess ol' webhead said: "Nah, I ain't fuckin' with no riots!"

  • @Christ2010Grad
    @Christ2010Grad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    EXCELLENT VIDEO!!

  • @risso2309
    @risso2309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah yes, the villain that plagues every superhero: THE EDITOR!

  • @gubtank
    @gubtank 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great channel. I love how you describe the significance of these authors' stories. Keep it up!

  • @Krang100
    @Krang100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    (5:55) The Jackal became Spiderman's number 1 villain in Gerry Conway's hand. AMS 146-149 were top Jackal's issue.
    The Punisher was a great contribution as well (AMS 129, 134, 135).

  • @Raida
    @Raida 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I take umbrage to the claim that Harry is a crappy friend.
    If anything, I'd say a large share of why Harry went off the deep end is because Peter was quite simply a terrible example of how to be a 'best friend'.
    Imagine being in Harry's position; you convince your father to take pay rent for a friend who's not financially well-off, but everytime you try to talk to said friend, he always has an excuse to not be there. His job with a boss who he hates always seems to take precedence over your friendship despite his literally not having to pay a cent for the rent. Of course, you also understand he has medical bills to pay for his Aunt, but it doesn't help that whenever his Aunt's health takes a turn for the worse, he tends to take it out on everyone else.
    Now, naturally this gets you down and you start using drugs, which to be fair, is completely on you, but when the worst possible scenario happens, does your friend stick around to offer moral support? Nope. Your best friend's girlfriend can be there for you, but your alleged 'best buddy'? Too damn busy.
    And one day, when you're really tripping balls, you catch your best friend for once in your life and beg him for help. Now, you don't know that just a few hours ago, said best friend lost his girlfriend to your dad and is not in the best of moods. But, does he even spare you a glance when you're literally begging him for some acknowledgement. Hey, he hasn't done so before, why start now?
    The point is, I find more to blame Peter for over Harry..... and I think it at least makes him relatable in that I'm sure most of us have been in either Peter's or Harry's situation before.

  • @maddniarslan
    @maddniarslan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I needed this video so bad today. Thank you.

  • @TheChintu-il3sq
    @TheChintu-il3sq 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    subbed, this channel is a gem for brief comic history videos!!!

  • @ro_x
    @ro_x 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Conway the punisher is just fine the way he is.. you did an amazing job with this character... my favorite marvel character..since I was akid...
    Thanku

  • @willyrr3240
    @willyrr3240 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank to review matt ,

  • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
    @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The Spider-Man comics from the 60s and 70s are by far the best representation of Spider-Man in any medium, but when it comes to film, I'd have to say that Tobey Maguire is the best Spider-Man, because his version of the character's movies manages to maintain the balance between 3-dimensional complex introspection and mindless action. I haven't seen the Andrew Garfield one yet, but I have an extreme amount of repugnance towards the MCU's version of the character. This is because I just found his character to be rather soulless and annoying. When I watched Avengers: Endgame, I clenched my fist in annoyance when he interrupted the triumphant final battle to do a comedic bit for Tony Stark, and it made me wish that the film just ended with Thanos recreating the universe just like he said he would if he retrieved the stones so we wouldn't have to suffer from the abysmal mess that is Far From Home.

    • @Christ2010Grad
      @Christ2010Grad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Funny, I liked Far From Home.

    • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
      @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Christ2010Grad If you like Far From Home, That's fine. For me personally, I am not a huge fan of the film as it appeared to have no heart or emotion

    • @aryan7767
      @aryan7767 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The Colorization Channel far from home is exactly the baseline problem of Disney owned mcu. MCU worked because of respect for source material and a love for the character. The connections and references were the cherry on the top

    • @Christ2010Grad
      @Christ2010Grad 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Colorization Channel Okay, more power to you.

    • @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051
      @thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@aryan7767 Yeah. Too much specticle and comedy and not enough substance

  • @lightknight6749
    @lightknight6749 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I highly recommend you do Johnathan Hickman's run on the Fantastic four

  • @ginofrancejr555
    @ginofrancejr555 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gerry Conway is a legend his run on spider man is a masterclass of comics storytelling.

  • @imjmar
    @imjmar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh yeah!!! More Spider-Man yeah!!!

  • @GhostOfBilly
    @GhostOfBilly 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, you sneaky little rogue, I catch you using that melancholic jazz from your "Spider-Man Blue" piece for the segment on Gwen's death. You ain't slick! You won't... *sniffle* You won't make me cry!

  • @ronbruck3825
    @ronbruck3825 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent wrap up of a most pivotal time in the life of ol’ webhead. Well done and thanks!

  • @EricAllenJett
    @EricAllenJett 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I grew up on Conway's second run on the books three decades ago and will forever be a fan of his works....

  • @RobRVA
    @RobRVA 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m stoked to be going to Galaxy Con this weekend to have Conway sign my Spider-Man Omnibus with his run.

  • @KillerTacos54
    @KillerTacos54 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your Spider-Man videos are always my favourite. Of course, this is because I Spider-Man's my FAVOURITE

  • @eduardoruiz7600
    @eduardoruiz7600 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video. I gotta dig up a collection of these stories from somewhere

    • @edg4441
      @edg4441 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can "catch up" or read these stories on the "Read Comics Online" Website. I pasted the link here. readcomicsonline.ru/. You can read any Comic of any era on this website for free. That's how I caught up with all the titles of The Amazing Spider-man, Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-man, etc.. Enjoy

  • @Chandasouk
    @Chandasouk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing like a Matt Draper video during quarantine!

    • @MattDraper
      @MattDraper  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love a captive audience.

  • @davidjollyamazingmr.j-magi6507
    @davidjollyamazingmr.j-magi6507 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you. Perfect analysis of a Golden Age, for our beloved Spidey. Excellent job you did here...sharing with fellow Spider-Friends!😃😊👍

  • @slagit
    @slagit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the Spider-Man I started picking up as a kid in the village shop in NY. Man it seems like a life time ago! Damn these were such great issues for sure with writing and art!

  • @Krang100
    @Krang100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    (3:09), (3:18) Osborn's madness was quite well executed. Osborn even had a hallucination of Spiderman.

  • @cecilDisharoon
    @cecilDisharoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm relieved on second viewing to notice you also refer to the script as 'melodrama' - i came back to make clear that I mean no slight, as the term can be pejorative. I read O'Neill's book on comics writing and now borrow his insight into that aspect of superhero comics. I have had such fun, marking Denny's passing with my podcast appreciation of why his life had influenced mine. I haven't exhausted his every script, but I am sure you find, recreating these works for your video deepens your perspective on why we enjoy them.
    I note this time how much I enjoy your animated investment, narrating. Very lively! For example, you punch up the old story of Stan's panicked campus encounters. Your remarks on Harry are also hilarious. The summation of the boy reader's darker, more dangerous take and the more mature romance is so nicely done, Matt.
    Conway says there's an implicit absurdity in superheroes. His run is now often categorized as 'uneven' by conventional armchair critical wisdom. Given the darkness of the gripping Stacy storyline, though, it's hardly a wonder he tries something different! As a child reading his very first comic, I took Aunt May's ridiculous wedding peril very seriously. It's touching to see it as Peter's concern for, as you note, an increasingly-senile guardian. Funny, but moving, too.
    I suspect my entire assessment of Gerry's run will only rise in loving appreciation. Art's value also very much depends upon our evolving needs.
    Your channel has risen in my own estimation from a first interrupted impression to a smile-inducing second look, and just two terrific and contrasting videos!

  • @demonteprice5870
    @demonteprice5870 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lee, Conway, Michelinie, and Straczynski are compulsory Spider-Man reading for me ✋

  • @blueaero3284
    @blueaero3284 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why is it called the “night” Gwen Stacy died? In the comic it was daytime when she died

    • @bluespaceman7937
      @bluespaceman7937 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a matter of interpretation, but you could say the night is a reference to the consequences and the weight of the event.

  • @josephbarbera9220
    @josephbarbera9220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was a teenager reading those great Spider-Man books in the early 70s. I was so caught up with Peter Parker personal life as he tried to navigate being Spider-Man. I still feel it was wrong to kill Gwen Stacy but really enjoyed Pete’s romance with Mary Jane Watson. She had a way of being strong at the right time when Pete needed it the most. The number one couple in comics in my opinion!

  • @TheGeekyAmreeki
    @TheGeekyAmreeki 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one man. Love your work. Consistently quality.

  • @maliklofton9148
    @maliklofton9148 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video Matt.

  • @deespaeth8180
    @deespaeth8180 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this 😀

  • @christianbjorck816
    @christianbjorck816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 70’s were a great era for Spidey, not as good as Ditko but pretty damn close.