Ann Nocenti’s DAREDEVIL - A Political Hero in a Broken World
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- An overview and analysis of Ann Nocenti's DAREDEVIL run, including her political overtones, dissection of Matt Murdock, Typhoid Mary arc, and ongoing Mephisto-focused storyline, which ran from 1986 through 1991.
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What’s your favorite Daredevil run?
Matt Draper Frank Miller, as always (his run is what made the character great).
I really have yet to REALLY check out the other runs (Ann Nocenti, Brian Michael Bendis, Ed Brubaker, Mark Wait, etc)
Bendis
Wouldn`t you know it, Nocenti. It`s got so much cool stuff going on.
I love what we've gotten from Zdarsky's run so far, but Miller will always be up on top for me.
Bendis and Ed Brubaker. Haven’t read Waid’s run yet, but I heard it was a breath of fresh air and return some of the fun, adventurous side back to character.
Have you been keeping up Zdarsky’s run, Matthew? If not, you should, and do a video on that as well, since DD seems to your favorite character to discuss.
I really wish Marvel would collect & sell Nocenti’s run the way they have with Miller, Bendis, & Brubaker.
Epic Collections are our only options. Though I'm sure we will get an omnibus soon. We got every major run so far (except Soule who is still fresh) in omni form - Stan Lee, Miller, Miller post- and pre-original run, Bendis, Brubaker, Diggle (Shadowland Omnibus), Waid, Quesada (Marvel Knights Omnibus). So Nocenti's is the next big run left.
There's are Epic Collection trades that compile part of her run: A Touch of Typhoid, Heart of Darkness and Last Rites.
It’s not good enough, honestly. It would be an exercise for completionists.
The Inferno issue was my first Daredevil issue - must have been 11. Didn’t make too much out of it back then but later in life I tracked it down because Romina Jr./Williamson’s art - the art was not as good as I remember but way better and the story a revelation. Miller/Jason’s run may be better, but I prefer this one by far.
Daredevil has probably had the most consistently good stories of any character, in my opinion.
Hellblazer
300 issues before flashpoint. Consistently great
R0W5tortion that’s true
In my opinion, I think its because the writers do such a fantastic job in humanizing each character. It's more complex than just saying this is bad guy that does bad things or that this guy is a good guy and he's perfect. No, you see Daredevil struggling to follow his moral code. You see him having second thoughts about being Daredevil. The last issue I read had the Kingpin trying to go straight but an incident happens at someone's house and it shows a vulnerable and scared Kingpin. That's something other writers would not even care touch.
Yeah I would say daredevil and Thor are the 2 most consistent books of the last 30 years
I hear this a lot actually
Honestly sounds like a very engaging run. Probably not a masterpiece, but the progression of challenge and testing the limits of Daredevil as both a character and a genre of storytelling is commendable. Daredevil doesn’t work if he’s not on the brink of defeat. He captures what I think is missing from the spirit of modern Batman: a morally-challenged vigilante in a noir world of corruption and intrigue. Batman’s robot-like perfection is what makes his character suffer, where most Daredevil writers know his flaws must always be at the forefront as they’re what makes him a great character to read/watch
Great analysis of the character! Nocenti’s run has its highs and lows for sure. But she’s makes great points about the character overall.
i think Batman’s robot-like perfection is a result of his popularity
@@MattDraper True I agree I read the comic where he fought Mephisto and I did love the very things you're saying
Why did she have to bring back Fisk? He's in like every single DD comic now. Why don't give more spotlight on Bullseye(rather than a secondhand villain operating under Fisk) and other villains
@@macksonedinis3670 his robot-like perfection is a result of too many fucking crossovers
I’m slowly becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Daredevil
This makes me want a daredevil season 4....
There was so much material left that could have been adapted like Guardian Devil and Shadowland along with Mark Waid's run
@@captainjakemerica4579 or just a little more bullseye
bird Samora don’t forget Owl JR
If season 4 brought on Mary Typhoid, it would have been one helluva way to wrap up the whole show.
John X Lulu Show but she did appear in Iron fist season 2
This run was really popular in France.
To the point that Daredevil get his own magazine, when previously he was on anthology title.
That is a very interesting piece of news. I didn't know that Daredevil was so popular in France at that time.
@@bluespaceman7937It still is, it is available as a hardcover collection, while the US don't have such a thing.
Daredevil is popular in france?
Would kill for an omni of this run. That late 80s JRJR artwork is amazing.
Thank you so much for this! I feel like Nocentis run is overlooked and not enough people talk about it. This run definitely formed my teenage brain and indirectly got me on the path (academically and professionally) I found myself on as an adult
It’s VERY under-discussed. It was a lot of fun analyzing it since it has so much packed into it.
This run shows that you can tell any story with any character.
Constantin Saramo totally agree. This run had a huge influence on me. Kinda hard to get past the clunky dialogue today, though, when re-reading it
@@dairedarcy1130 so true 😂 I reread the run this summer for the first time since I was 18,and boy it was rough at times
Her run on Daredevil was what got me back into comic books as an adult. Her stories were so gut wrenching, and grim, and the new enemies introduced felt like they real issues they had to face. You honestly felt like Matt wasn't going to survive the gauntlet she was throwing at him. It was both an intimate journey with Matt yet a fascinating look at social commentary at the time.
You misspelled hackneyed and ham-fisted.
Thank you for this: Ann Nocenti's run was my childhood Daredevil and it was all the more interesting since I got issues off the local spinner racks, and therefore could not get every issue.
I clicked the minute I saw Daredevil lol. Now I have a LOT of catching up to do with your channel
The most underrated run of Daredevil ever.
I'm always happy when I see this run get more love.
You have crazy timing Draper. I just ordered Volume two of Waids DD omnibus on Black Friday. I have all the classic or at least obvious DD runs. Miller, Bendis, Brubaker and now Waids. I literally just started searching for another DD run to read. Looks like I found it. Another home run episode.
2:27 ish 258 was not written by Nocenti ... after Miller’s run is my favorite writer of daredevil, although Nocenti’s moral philosophy is extremely manichean, she came up with great ideas and left a very deep mark on the character (especially when she shook off Miller's long shadow).
Keep up with the great videos.
Greetings from Spain.
Most people don’t have a problem with politics in comics or art, it’s more about approach. If something feels alienating or pandering it doesn’t connect. If something is sincere and handled with grace, it usually works for people. This comic run is a great example of that.
*who else just LOVES comic books with profound themes and interesting stories to tell ???*
I gotta read this run!
I love Daredevil and adore your videos on him and I’m so happy you made another video on Daredevil
A few of my sources say this is one of the most unstated runs ever and as always your video made me very interested in reading it. Thanks for another awesome video! I also picked Immortal Hulk back up because of your recommendation it's as amazing as you said it would be!
Thank you Matt. I knew you would cover Ann's run on DD and you did not dissapoint. Issue 266 was the best issue of her run. DD confronting Mephisto was an amazing visual.
Pretty damn good video.I honestly loved the way you explore the medium of comics, especially that of under appreciated gems like that of Nocenti’s Daredevil.I personally haven’t read the run myself, but I’ll look in to it.
Also, since you’re pretty open in terms of suggestions, here’s some comics that might interest you.
-Steve Gerber’s Howard the Duck
-The Incal
-Spider-Man:Hooky
-Arcudi’s Rumble
-Thor:Blood Oath
-Nemesis the Warlock
-W40K:Deff Skwadron
-James Robinson’s Starman
-Hilda
-O’Neil’s The Question
Or some manga like A Bride’s Tale and PunPun.
Hope you enjoy my recommendations and thank you for reading.
Edit:I confused James Robinson with John Ostrander.I apologize for the mistake and immediately corrected it
Easily one of my favourite videos yet, keep it up ma dude
Thanks for making a video on this! Ann Nocenti is super underrated.
always appretiate a DD vid from you, very well made and give an in depth look for the run. everything from born again to mark waid and now this one.
Such a wild ride of a comic, but a meaningful one!
This was the run that got me into dd in 89. Man I thought the stuff with mephisto and typhoid mary was awesome back then. This really does bring back good memories of this series for me....
When a writer does a Daredevil comic, that’s when you know they’re a good writer.
Nocenti's run is getting more love recently, and its about time. It deserves to stand right alongside Millers, Bendis', Brubaker's, Waid's, and Soule's...which is also underrated.
What famous stories did Brubaker and Soule write? I have read some of Frank Miller's Born Again being one of my all time favorite comics
@@captainjakemerica4579 Brubaker’s The Devil In Cellblock D is probably his best DD story.
@@anthonyufert8477 true it seems Daredevil has had many great runs
She should take Soule's place in the DD Writer hall of fame IMO.
Her run is the masterpiece that Frank Miller's run was never going to be. She explored every facet of what DD was and took him to new places. The juxtaposition of dialogue and commentary pushes you as a reader as well. This is one of the greatest runs in comics history.
Love this Channel. I had never even heard of Ann Nocenti. ..
Keep it up man
Nice review. I remember fondly these issues by Ann. They really need to put out a couple Omni's highlighting her stories during this period in a nice HC edition.
Moment I saw that your video said Daredevil, I clicked!
Edit: I find it a little weird that Ultron would appear in a story about a street level superhero.
That's the thing, acts of evil is an event where bad guys goes after someone they don't usually fight. Like magneto going after Spider-man, or The Kingpin fighting the X-men.
bluefury oh okay.
Great breakdown!
Thank you for this video! I'm always so happy to see more people talking about this amazing run. I wonder if you're only doing DD videos or will we get some Elektra ones too? I would love a video about Elektra: Assassin or Daredevil Love & War. Or things mroe under the radar like daredevil redemption.
No plans for Elektra: Assassin, Love and War, or Redemption for this month, but those would be great topics in the future.
Matt Draper I hope you get around to them one day! But still this video is so great. Thank you again
This was my favorite run as a kid, then I found Miller’s. Both were amazing but Nocenti’s was of the times like nothing on the shelves; custom made for JRJR’s art. 10/10. 💀🔥
I would love to see a Daredevil animated series drawn by Bruce timm since we more than likely won't get the show back Kevin feige obviously plans to recast and reboot for the pg-13 MCU not only that he doesn't want anything left from jeph loeb good video
If speculation is to be believed then Charlie Cox is returning as Daredevil first in Spiderman No Way Home then in Hawkeye And Echo Disney+ shows. Out of the Netflix characters they will retain Krysten Ritter as Jessica Jones who is rumoured to have a cameo in She-Hulk show Jon Bernthal as Punisher And Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin who will return through that Echo show I mentioned. So yeah. Kevin might keep some stuff from what Jeph Loeb did contrary to your opinion.
Love the Romita Jr art in this series, the stories were hit or miss for me but it’s understandable when you have to do those issues that crossover storylines from other books.
Great work. I have yet to read this run but after this I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to. Any interest in a video on Elektra Lives Again? Its non-canon but its some of the best work Miller ever did in my opinion. So haunting.
Nocenti and JRJr are the best DD creative duo.
Amazing run, would like to see this in a season of daredevil series
Ann Nocenti's DD got me interested in Daredevil. I also had the same questions as well regarding her run. There were a ton of subplots that weren't resolved but I guess she wanted to convey that often in life, every situation doesn't get tied up in a bow.
I always said Daredevil had that edge that the other Marvel titles never had at the time. I never collected Daredevil comics but always liked the character.
I haven't read much of Ann's run but I do remember that story with the vet and the Barry Smith art. It almost read as a direct commentary on the Nuke character in the Miller issues.
Thanks i will check out Ann Nocenti run on Daredevil
Draper back with the goods!
Matt on Matt thumbs up!
I haven’t watched this video yet because I’m in the middle of the Nocenti DD run but just wanted to chime in and say her DD is some of my favorite Marvel comics ever. She’s so good.
Wow, this Darecember is off to a great start! The only part of Nocenti’s run I read was in the A Touch of Typhoid trade from the Marvel Epic Collection, though I want to read more of the run. Any trades you know that collects these other stories?
The Roots of Evil Epic Collection continues straight from that, but the very beginning and end aren’t collected right now.
Epic Collections The Heart of Darkness & Last Rites.
Honestly, really liked how scattered her run was. It felt very alive, allowing itself to tell a story about Matt's inner termoil in an almost avant-garde kind of way.
At this point, I'd say it would be an educated guess to wager that Daredevil is your favourite Marvel-character (maybe even favourite superhero)?
Great vid as usual. I've read the odd issue of Nocenti's run and I liked what I read.
If nothing else, she is creative and fearless. And even if she doesn't always hit the mark, you have to admire her for her guts and her ambition.
Never change the end music XD
I do really like the idea of Daredevil dealing with actual hell and demons. Wish it was explored more often
The Typhoid mary run was basically my introduction to Daredevil comics in the 90s.
.and i loved the tone...ppl often state Frank miller when they think Daredevil. I loved Nocentis take...a mix would have been awesome to see
Amazing storytelling
I swear Daredevil runs are the only ones where status quo returns feel natural
What a wild run!
Wow I've read one of these comics it was really good as long as you can role with the tone and concept of Daredevil fighting Mephisto
I loved her run so much
Idk what is wrong with me to the point where I've left escapism completely and only read this kind of stuff with comics. That's why daredevil is my favorite cause he's one of the few superheroes who can really tell this kind of story successfully while still getting to wear a costume and do cool action 😂
You and I are in the same boat. I guess things got too real! Lmao
Yo I literally just bought that 25th anniversary daredevil comic last week.
Nocenti & Romita Jr were GOLD! Love that run on DD.
I read the typhoid Mary arc that led into inferno it was interesting.
Being from Louisiana, I remember reading that issue where Matt is wearing a NO Saints hat and being amused. How’d that come about?
The Nocenti/JRjr DD run was Metal.🤘
This video makes Nocenti's run sound incredible-which is a compliment! While conceptually intriguing, I found her run lacking in execution. Great video, though!!
👏🏽👏🏽take a bow Matt Draper👏🏽👏🏽
I also loved the array of villains he faced .
Why did she have to bring back Fisk? He's in like every single DD comic now. Why don't give more spotlight on Bullseye(rather than a secondhand villain operating under Fisk) and other villains
The high point of her run was the villains. I wish she did more Ammo as he was a badass character that had potential!
☼ awesome
I’m glad you covered this. Nocenti’s run on Daredevil helped shape my own political stance and I still consider it as one of my favorite comics.
One of my favorite characters she created was Bullit. He had a young son afraid of nuclear war. Wonder what happened to them?
I would like to see a mcu movie where DD takes over the hand and uses the black suit. Definitely a way they could connect this movie to other mcu films.
Daredevil, one of my favourite characters, can't wait to see him in the MCU 🙂
He already is
Yo could u make one about Green Arrow at some point?
DD probably has the most consistent great comic book story runs. Same with the MCU he probably has the best story out of ALL the characters
Back to vampires, I see. I refer to the end credits on your vids. What's the occasion?
Previous end song was just for the Halloween season
@@MattDraper ah. Now I get it. So is Bendis next? Also known as the most controversial writer in the modern era of comics?
Will you ever do Superman America Alien it's an cool comic.
This is a great example of why I never understand when "comic book fans" say comics aren't the place for political stories and social justice. Daredevil's a social justice warrior in pretty much every sense of the word!
Don't compare this run with all the political nonsense that most writters are doing right now.
You can talk all the modern things that happend in the World without getting extreme pushing your agenda and forgeting that these are Superhéroes.
This run it's a good example of all the things we both Say doing right. (It's well know that Ann is fron the left) :)
@@arturoluque9269 if you read this run, it's way more heavy-handed and less subtle than the work writers are doing now. Superhero comics have ALWAYS been political.
Daredevil deserved a season 4 he is a great tragic hero
Does anyone know if this run has a collected edition?
Right now, there are 2 Epic Collections that contain the majority of the run but not all of it - A Touch of Typhoid and Roots of Evil
@@MattDraper thank you very much for the reply i assume on amazon?
The second part of zdarsky's run on dd is very reminiscent of this
Frank Miller's original run, Mark Waids are my favorite. I wanna check out Dg Cheister run and Ann Noncenti run
I’m probably on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Nocenti, but I’ve always enjoyed her stories. Batman/Poison Ivy: Cast Shadows is a particular favorite.
You gonna do IDWs transformers MTMTE
A lot of people have requested it but I haven’t read it yet
@@MattDraper go read it matt.
Pls.
I sometimes read Ann Nocenti as An Innocent.
I like to call this run, Daredevil: From Law and Order to Doom 2016
I have to say that despite sharing many of Nocenti's political opinions I think she tend to be very preachy with her writing. Nevertheless I enjoyed this run. It's not perfect and you point out most of the issues I have about it, but it has many interesting ideas and there are a bunch of good stories there.
Daredevil is criminally underrated shame they didnt give him a badass movie.
Maybe that's the point. If he isn't too popular, a writer can shake him up however he wants. Miller couldn't have done a seminal run on, say Spider-Man
Ann Noccenti was writing the book when I first read it. I rather liked her run.
12:15 Dammit, for a moment there I thought Rom, Space Knight was making a glorious return to the Marvel Universe. Although quite why he'd be strangling Matt is beyond me...unless - that's it! Daredevil is a Dire Wraith! Get him, Rom! What? I'd rather see that than yet another Ultron story.
Love your channel. You should write a comic book...maybe a graphic novel...or like a one shot...your own characters. ill happily check it out. Love your content...Especially the comic book releated stuff. Yours is a youtube channel with integrity fine Sir!
She was totally political but what I really appreciate about her is that she would show the good and bad in both the left and right.
Most SJW writers could learn a thing or two from her.
Man, I do not think of Mephisto/Silver Surfer when I think Daredevil. I really gotta read more (non-Frank Miller) Daredevil.
Nocenti definitely goes places other writers don’t. It’s weird, I won’t lie.
you see more Mephisto in guardian devil too
Reading Daredevil made me never want to visit New York😂
Wow, it looks like the Netflix series pulled a lot from Nocenti's Daredevil
You Call That a Knife? How so?
I thought that show took more from Frank Miller’s run.
Um not at all?
" characters sound more like megaphones than characters expressing their views naturally" (not word for word)
Well that sounds terrible
Leon Evelake Soooo true! I still loved so many aspects of this run, but that’s one of the hardest things to get past when reading it as an adult
Typical political book, happens alot where everyone speaking through a megaphone
At least her run has good art and does not forget to treat Matt like a character and doesn't humiliate him to make a PC character look good.
Only if you think characters shouldn't be allowed to have opinions and express them.
@@bluespaceman7937 Did you even read the quote?
Ann Nocenti's run is Chip Zdarsky's favorite