China claims breakthrough in analog semiconductor chips: 3,000 times faster than Nvidia
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- Scientists at Tsinghua University have developed a new chip which they claim is 3,000 times faster than Nvidia's A100 chip. By harnessing light signals and photons, instead of electricity, their chip is a quantum leap beyond in terms of efficiency.
The chip is analog, so will not be used hardware systems that require versatility and simultaneous functionality. It is ideal, however, for large markets such as wearables, image recognition, smart factories, and driver-assisted technologies.
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Chinese scientists create chip that can perform AI task 3,000 times faster than Nvidia’s A100: study
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Yellen: More OVER-CAPACITY from China 😂
Stop overcapability ,China!
China is going to surpass US for sure. There's nothing to hinder overtaking US as China has many talented scientists.
But India is aiming to surpass China in all aspects by 2030.
The only target that China wants to surpass is itself.
YES WHEN CHINA IS NO 1 IN WORLD CHIP MANUFACTURING, (2030?) IT WILL BE NO 1 PERIOD. In fact, I think Biden's tariffs were an implicit acknowledgement that China is already No 1 econ 50% larger in PPP (wh is v real measurement - as Kevin's vids show US prices massively inflated compared with CHina's). The US has been petending for the last 15 years that it hasn't lost. By 2030 its no 2 status will be undeniable. [Comments?] I wonder also whether the Taiwan prob. might be solved if China is No 1 in chips. The Taiwanese might have no choice but to join CHina to save their chip-dependent econ.
US is interested only in wars
After 3 decades debating with dyuuuuum down westerners
We west deserve the descent back to the Stone Age, on pure ignorance alone
Now the Chinese will have absolutely no reason to share this technology with the US. Another shotgun meets foot moment for the US...🤣
The US should be able to make these chips with some research and the paper. But at 100nm, the US can't produce these cheaper than China. So China will end up with the world market while the US bans these chips from the US and maybe the EU market. And the US will have the US and the EU market.
Well the Biden administration will soon claim that the Chinese researchers are not playing fairly, and issue executive orders to punish the Chinese researchers in order to "compete in a leveling playground".
@@felixsu375 By then the Chinese will have moved on to something more advanced while the US plays catch-up. Best option of course would be to work together, but the choice was made by the US not to and so they'll have to live with the consequences.
@@felixsu375let’s keep banning and get left in the dust.
We will wake up in the dust and they will have the whole world in their fingers.
Sharing its IP with US? Even a moron will not even think of it lol.
Kevin, I hope you never run out of inspiration or content ideas. This channel is one of my priority go-to tasks every day.
My friends and I totally agree. I look for Kevin's articles every day.
Me too 😊
@@aqualou2 Me three 😃
This is a must channel for me every day.
i watch every video and always look forward to the be good sign off lol
These new chips were made with the greatest US help - US Sanctions and Tariffs.
The trade war, sanctions and tariffs definitely have speed up China's innovations. 🤔
EU sanctions on Russia made the Russian economy boom, while the EU economy sank. We will never be rid of Stupid politicians.
just like Trump said. USA build China not the chinese 😆
thank you USA
CN gov should send thank-you medal to US gov
These were all domestically developed, and long before the sanctions. China has a huge lead in this technology probably a decade. So this announcement will probably mean Chinese AI and super computer development will now accelerate.
TSINGHUA is one of the top universities in China. We will soon see how Huawei, SMIC, working together to further develop this photonic chips.
it is a farm system for the empire of lies, the empire's companies hired a busload of Tsinghua graduates.
I have been employed as an engineer for 20 years in a Tsinghua company in an English speaking country. Research institute around the world know very well what the company doing, the company keep low profile from the media. I just visit the top research institute in this country this morning for my company.
@@charliezwl what is name of your company?
@@alanwu5788wanna report it to Biden or Trump?😊
@@alanwu5788 Go through the US sanction list to work out the name. Been on the list more than a decade.
It has always been a matter of time for China! When it comes to finding solutions to any problems.
State department is going to come up with a new accusation, this time its "excess innovation"
😂😂😂😂😂
Dont give them the idea😂😂😂
they are attempting to initiate wars along China seashore
White haired grandma will shake her finger after eating more magic mushrooms.
Or innovation overcapacity
This university is China's MIT, very prestigious, top of the heap. I’ll be watching for more on this.
They were the 1st in 3 nm photonics chips last summer. They also developed their own mass produced cold chassis for quantum computing
Win win for the world …….
Competition is always good.
I love all the reasonable priced goods from China to lift the standard of living of everyone in the world.
I am usually skeptical but from tsinghua university, it is completely possible. They only need to bring in the fabrication specialist from Huawei to succeed.
tsinghua is definitely at the top, like MIT.
✌️✌️✌️ a lot better than...👍😁😁😁👍
I think this is the first step in transferring to non-silicon chips. Using light instead of electron can eliminate the concern of heat problems.
Yes. It is indeed a first step towards newer technology.
How optical fibers replace analog cables
AND POWER CONSUMPTION
More than 20 years ago we were working on creating “electronic circuits” using nanocristallized glasses. The research was done in Japan.
The Chinese researchers may have succeeded in this incredible challenge!
Chinese do not claim- they announce after these chips have been used for 2 years
because chinese here in asia we could have cheap pc, gpu, ac, tv, ev cars, etc.. :)
The CPC is the best government in the world and the best China ever had in 5000 years
The USA is the best opposition party China ever have. This opposition party really force the best government to perform 200% of its capacity.
Are you stupid
Why do I have the feeling you would be fined if you posted the opposite🇨🇳
As they say: "Never underestimate your enemy" And for Russia: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Now, with photonics opening up a whole new era of computing, both China and Russia will share. Will they share with the west?
I bet you the Republic of the Congo will have this chip first before the US. The West would not have it even if China give it to them for free. Remember...national security risk.
Absolutely not
they have to pay royalties if it involved patents.
do know that western manufacturing companies in China are allowed to seek cooperation of local chinese universities to share the findings of universities research to help them with breakthro solutions n innovations of their products. This is one reason why they want to locate or stay in China.
With the recent agreements, collaborations and partnerships on sharing technology between China and Russia, both of them will accelerate even much faster and will lead the future very soon.
Not really surprised, as China has a lot more engineers than any other country, and continue to train more every year.
top student too..
This is called a Photonic chip, the idea has been around a long time but no country has successfully created one that works the way it needed to be. Not a surprise that China can make one and mass produce it. If this is true then forget the current digital chip in computers and smartphones because the photonic chip is faster, uses less energy and has less heat, and maybe much easier to make. If China has made this technology into a real product and runs better than the current best chips on the market then this is another serious blow to USA.
Did you hear what he said about the disclaimer?
If you know about photonics limitations, then you know why they'll never be mass produced in consumer electronics. Optical frequencies are light are in the HUNDREDS OF NANOMETERS. We are building chips with 3-nanometer scale feature sizes. Understand why you'll never have optical transistor-equivalents that are anywhere close to the density of today's electronic chips?
@@johndrumpf9888
Ancient Chinese saying: when there's a will there's a way.
@@adamiskandar5107 You are correct.
But it will still replace A LOT of chips we are currently using.
The great majority of chips we are using today are not general purpose chips.
But then, the video didn't say whether they can mass produce these chips.
My guess is maybe they can't do that yet (?) but will soon be able to.
@@johndrumpf9888says who???? How do you know that, have you tried to make them and failed???? Of course not, there is always a first time. As a woman of the black race, I am firmly in the China camp, for very obvious historical reasons.
Yellen: that is overcapacity in knowledge! Expect US to investigate and roll out sanctiond and tariffs.
Incredible! China is the future for peace and prosperity for humankind.
usa promote wars, chine promote cheap tv, pc, gpu, ac, ev cars, etc.. :)
Chinese scientists and engineers are among the best in the world. Like the engineers of old civilisations: India, Iran etc
US company are profit oriented while those from China are solution solving centric with lower cost affordable to all. In our multi dimensional world there is always more than one way to reach the same destination and the west never seem to grasp this basic matrix.
Cue the people complaining "China must have stolen this technology from us."
7 month old news and nothing but radio silence.
Photonics chips do not need advanced lithography. Only 28nm tools
In the name of national security, the US will demand that China shares this technology plus moon rocks etc etc 😂
Renhc, I thought Uncle Sam had collected tons of moon rocks sometimes in midst 69 and displayed all over the museum. We silly
to queue up in the library for hours just to see the normal rock from the moon where the astronauts scooped up from the exploration trip in the moon.
@@hockheekwek8431 yes US had. But the dog ate them all …
They never went to the Moon
Suppression of the PRC has led to innovation and self sufficiency. The PRC will ultimately not need to buy chips from the USA.
you block the survival road，plightly people look for the new way
IF Nvidia and TSMC ( both companies have chinese CEOs) can make semicon, i am sure any Chinese company can make better semicons too.
But the U.S.A. has Joe Biden & Janet Yellen.😭
Also have trump who yesterday froze for 30 seconds while giving a speech.... hahahaha
Yeah, career politicians with no science or engineering background.
Yeah bro, it's totally about the party in power and not about the systemic failures of the American system
Trump would be sooooo different and do sooo much better on China
China success is a product of defeating their capitalist class and keeping the financial system under state and not market control
But Americans are not ready for this conversation
Truly, a losing team.
Good work. Photonic computing is very promising, but somehow not quite catching up. In US they got a startup called LightMatter who builds this kind of chips. But is still struggling. I hope Chinese photonic chip makers do better.
What China says, would be done. When the west understand, you cant hold down 1.4 billion people again, it would be best for everyone. Chinese people have learn a lot from its mistakes and Chinese people remember its history and is very forgiven if apology is on the right place. China is not like some small nation you could bully. Also, anyone that understand how hard people work for its education, i am not surprise China would replace everything thats being sanctioned by the west
we have cheap tv, gpu, pc, cars etc because chinesse..
In terms of computation, I believe analog is better in AI due to the nature of the neural network. It is not clear to me how the linear memory functions in photons space which is part of neural network.
That picture at the end looks like it's coming from out of this world.
It's Zhang Jia Jie in Hunan Province. The movie Avatar was shot there (the Hallelujah Mountains).
but this is not news.. many knew about this over a year ago.. got a hunch this will go into mass production very soon.. bye bye TSMC and the rest of them..
Chinese AI Chips were always ahead
Tsinghua University is the best!
It is a fallacy for any person or country to even contemplate the idea that they have a monopoly of ideas and skills, while entertaining the thought that other people or countries have a poverty of ideas and skills.
Giga (G) -- Billion ... Gbps, Giga bits per second.
Tera (T) -- Trillion ... Tbps --- Tera bits per second.
Peta (P) -- Quadrillion ... Pbps --- Peta bits per second.
What are you gonna do about it now NVIDIA ??? Sit in a corner and cry?
It’s really unfortunate for humanity if US and China can’t work together. Even now, look who is running AMD and NVDA.
US is interested in wars only
That's why only Intel and Qualcom get to enjoy the EXEMPTIONS from export ban on China, while AMD and NVidia do NOT, despite the latter two think, act, and talk like full-fledged US and Anglo-Saxon beings, their "outer shell" unfortunately do NOT look like that at all.
Chinese
Luckily, those companies are still run by humans.
@@alanwu5788
Surprised Tom Cotton hasn't interrogated them in front of Congress so far.
Less power consumption= less heat = more reliable= faster just like comparing copper wire to fiber optic, well done China.
Is this true? I dunno. But if tsinghua university really made this claim, and it meant what it meant (not saying i can understand a word of it), being the top tech uni in China..... it would be stupid to make this outrageous claim, if it was bs.....
It’s just a prototype so it can’t be mass produced yet. Maybe 5 or 10 more years to go until they can produce it in mass quantities.
Research is still a long way to commercializations
It’s science. Unlike self reporting in a TH-cam channel, when you have your research ideas published in the Nature Magazine, it better be accurate because you are under the scrutiny of all the best minds in your field. Demonstrated theoretical limit is one thing, how practical this chip actually is all together another thing. As it is in research stage, soon maybe be another paper coming from the US or UK making an even bigger claims. Who knows?
@@user-iw2gj9gk4j this is not actually new. I’ve seen this one around 2 years ago. So yeah maybe 2 or 3 more years
Remember, they published it in Nature. Obviously, they are able to demonstrate and back up their claim.
What the West doesn't understand is that chips per say don't matter as much as over computational power. The sheer amount of computers, high end programming talent, hardware development talents and most importantly governmental support without interference in both theoretical and applied research. The scale of the effort is truly hard to believe.
Their political system is better than ours and they have an inspirational leader
TSINGHUA top university in the world
Necessity is the Mother of Invention. Never bet against China.
If they truly achieved this leap forward in CPU architecture, it means they will lead from now on, we studied this in CPU architecture in college back in the 90's (NOT a USA college though)... in a country most considers a third world-country. Basically light does not suffer from solar magnetic storms thus reduces blips in floating point errors, hence much less error prone computing. Less metals used too, less cooling, smaller fans...
中美竞争，同一起跑线，中国必领先。
@@hengzhou4566 If you understood what I wrote, then you know there is no need to be arrogant about it...
“this is way 1000 overcapacity!” yellen
Jesus, the specs on this are astounding!
Nice background and great news 👍
I can see a use for ASIC analog chips that create programmable arrays of analog components that can be internally connected on the fly. For example 500 op amp components that can be combined to perform complex analog math (multipliers, integration, sums, etc) with hundreds of source input signals to be processed as a web
The world is always on the lookout for alternatives to traditional technology.
Nvidia A100 chip is not a multi-functional CPU。 The Nvidia A100 chip is GPU based
Therefore, if you want to claim that the Chinese ACCEL chip is not multi-functional, you should equally note that Nvidia's A100 chip doesn't have multi-functional capability as well
Furthermore, an Analog computer has a unique capability that the digital chips don't have --- instead of a simple "on" "off" (0 or 1) like their digital counterparts, the Analog circuit can perform "Yes" / "No" and, this is the most important part, *_"Perhaps" / "Maybe"_*
In conclusion, digital circuits can only perform "either/or" while the Analog circuits are capable of probing the *_"what if"_* scenarios
It's an entire different playing field altogether !
This appears to be a 6 months old new. Could you confirm this happened just now?
Nobody want MADE IN AMERICA 🇺🇸 DAD 😁😂🤣
I hope china will surpass US in technology so every device will be cheaper in the future.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Photonic chip second to none.
Photonic chips are a dead end, but the people cheerleading this in the channel are clueless. Go look at the size of the apparatus of this "chip". Photonics fundamentally do not scale to the size of semiconductors due to the fundamental wavelength of light used.
Check out China's "Taichi" chiplet that is powered by light rather than electricity
Sounds promising.
It depends on your applications, maybe for Boson sampling yes, but not for general computing. computer chip is just an electric experiment, light chip is just a photon and light experiment.
The problem is the interfaces between the photonic chip and the peripheral devices.
It is win-win for the people if all countries choose to work together, cooperate, share, support and give. This will be a wonderful world.
This was actually one of the 3 overt strategies that was in the public view in mid 2023.
The others included the 7nm chip which they got into manufacturing about 4 months after announcing they could do it in the lab (and now rumored 5nm mass production) and the fully local quantum processor of which they now have Origin Wukong as well as Jiuzhang and possible acceleration of larger scales qubit development from the new Xiaohong chips.
The photonic chip was actually more on the fringe especially after 7nm got built and Jiuzhang 2.0 was announced. At this rate, the photonic chip could overtake quantum processors in development even as the normal processors hit the 1nm barrier (TSMC is projected to start 2nm production with poor starting yields at the end of the year).
The performance dividends from TSMC's labs 1.6nm and 1.4nm are simply going to get smaller so the photonic chip is the future
This tech has been around for awhile. No one has scaled it to production.
Are you saying the Chinese has stolen US tech? Just because it has been around earlier. It’s like saying the American discovered oxygen first … probably because they breath oxygen first or they probably wrote O2 first in Periodic table
With respect to these numbers, it seems that its 14 times faster. Not sure how 3000 times faster was calculated?
time required to calculate very tough problems
It could be up to 3000 times faster during certain calculations as it is very hard to give exact figures due to it's complex nature.
You are a wealth of information thank you go China go👍🌟
Thanks for sharing this tech news from China.
Main difference between analog and digital systems is analog system are dedicated for certain use while digital ones are for multi purpose use, sacrificing efficientcy but gain in simple set up most uses.
Dude, I’m a subscriber and watch all your videos, however I’m getting concerned that in every video you have this background chat going on. This is subliminal messaging and not allowed. Can you please tell your followers what are you playing in the background.
Aw shucks. Are you going to keep us guessing where the closing scenes are from?
All analog? Would it be impervious to EMP due to its analog nature?
If they manage to produce it, then they can make a quantum chip too, since an optical chip is the only way to make one that runs at room temperature.
It is true or not, easy to check it out by the coming months, we shall consider it seriously.
not surprised, there education outstanding
I cant figure out how to search for it but there was some research a while back where they fabricated a lens that could respond to shapes by blurring them. They showed numbers and it would blur just one of them. I thought it was pretty wild such a thing was possible with just a transparent material. No electronics, nothing. A more advanced version could recognize more complicated objects.
The new optical chip here is specifically good at vision data but in the context of the above it seems only the tip of the iceberg. I imagine their chip to be able to do mind blowing things inside [security] cameras. Stuff that would normally require a big data center. As long as the data is kept visual crazy feature extraction operations are possible.
You go from a black blob to detecting the shape of an eye then look for a second eye or an ear at a distance of 1-2 the size of the eye. Is it also a head etc? Then when enough of those things have been confirmed you can begin filtering down to a specific person. If resources are not an issue all checks can be done simultaneously.
Say you have a fuzzy picture of a stadion full of people and a database with 100 million faces. If the visual is crappy enough you might not be able to identify anyone but for each face you can exclude many millions of matches. Each frame of the video could produce a slightly different result. If you have data on who purchased tickets the database is much smaller, each face appears only once. Sort the best 100 partial matches by how well they match zoom in a little bit and you can quickly figure out where Waldo is from a bunch of seemingly garbage data.
You could have it look at products on a conveyor belt and have them return a bunch of not necessarily meaningful but homogeneous data until a product comes along that looks slightly different and produces a very different result. You would know something is strange about it, check it and possibly add it to the acceptable responses. Eventually you would know what regular defects look like and get a better error message.
You could have it look at anything and extract abnormalities with truly insane efficiency. It could be just the thing needed to perfect the Chinese mega scale projects where one mistake or one oversight could potentially ruin everything.
These chips are also limited since they require a source to shoot a laser into the chips.
Technology like this takes at least several years from labs to the market if the technologies are proven really useful and the surrounding support tools, algorithms, and theories to be developed may take decades. So it is a bit too early to say whether it is good or not. One thing I learned about Tsinghua is: that they use a lot of educational resources but the most great contribution they made is to transfer smart ppl to Wall St.
"didn't understand a word of it..." 😅😅😅
100 nanometer size gates? Jeez, that's like Atlas giving Fire to mortals.
No everything needs to be 3, 5nm or even 14nm. Not for smartphone and small devices but it can be used in a lot of other things.
Not sure if they can mass produce it.
Well.
It may seem a million miles away,
But it gets a little closer every day...
I guess that was foreseen for China, if anything.
Manage your expectations. So far this result hasn’t been replicated in a different lab. In the past, there have been very hyped research papers (like metallic hydrogen or high temperature superconducting materials) that turned out to be essentially bunk
What type of business are you actually in? I'm just curious, because you cover such a wide spectrum of topics.
"Necessity is mother creativity" Arab proverb.
Most importantly, they can be used for Bitcoin mining because they are basically ASICs. I hope everybody understands the implications.
Wow, that is a great idea. Bitcoin mining is one of energy intensive applications that doesn't require intelligence, just damn brutishness and stamina. Less energy to mine crypto means more real world regular financial transactions. Jeez the dollar is f*cked.
damn ....
Wow, finally, and they just need ti be able to mass produce it .
Kevin, you are so funny. "Linking to the abstract, does not understand a word of it."
Yes they are all Cooperating together.
Unlike in the West as I’m manufacturing Worthwhile Products in a very adversive environment….
More and more examples of “Cooperation is better than confrontation” are coming!
Wow
Interesting
This is a chip yet to be shrunk into a small piece before it can be used in laptop.
photon and light in chips ?
woah! the last shot of the mountains, is that real or AI?
Real.
Been there ❤ bucket list
Fast? Means huge capasity right?
Oooooo, The Chinese for sure must have stole this technology from the USA future invention of this technology. 😂
Is it true tho.
The Nvidia 🌟 is sinking fast 🧐
Does this mean my laptop will run faster with these newer & faster chips?
Will these chips need lithograph machines to manufacture?
unlikely
simply saying you have this tech, will inspire usa engineers to match it, with research funds from the magic pudding money printer.
but saying you have it, and the murricans don't, is another nail in the usa coffin. it will incline 3rd parties to 'get with the future.'
roll on, future!