HDMI 2.1 Means Nothing Anymore 😞
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Congrats everyone, all your HDMI 2.0 products are now HDMI 2.1! /s 🙄
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Original article with HDMI LE's response over at TFT Central:
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First post by gouki201 pointing out the odd HDMI 2.1 marketing on the Mi Gaming Monitor:
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:45 - Hi Seasonic! (Zee-Zonic ^_^)
1:08 - How this started - Xiaomi Mi Gaming monitor with "fake" HDMI 2.1
2:00 - What does HDMI 2.1 even mean? TFT Central asked the HDMI Licensing Administrator (LA).
4:48 - Taking a position: This is a bad decision that hurts the HDMI 2.1 standard
5:24 - Adding some nuance - Specs nor Features aren't everything.
6:38 - Final Thoughts: What to expect from monitor manufacturers, reviewers, and what to look for in future monitors.
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When you think USB standards was a pile of mess. Now HDMI came along and did this. Now when you buy a laptop to be used with a monitor you have to check the laptop, the cable, the monitor all have the same optional features enabled otherwise you are screwed. How insane is that?
it's a ploy to make people consume garbage: nvidia calls their laptop gpus same as their desktop gpus, laptops hide gpu power limits, youtube hides dislikes, soon you won't know what's good and what's shit
@@tyre1337 you can add a dislike number through google extensions : its called Return TH-cam Dislike
@@gamingbigfilipp google as of yesterday has disabled access to the public api, so that extension will only show historical data and estimates
Seriously
Remember the magic glasses in They Live? HDMI 2.1. turns computers and 8k TVs into the same thing, basically. HDMI 2.1 is just like that. Except its magic cables. Not magic glasses. And the designer has no idea, and now I can access it.
This is absolutely insane!
"The rules are made up and the specs don't matter!"
- HDMI Licensing Administrator 2021
The HDR model again?
🤨What is going! I have to believe there is some "under the table" stuff going on here. I remember some weird changes like this USB standards recently..(but i think that was more or a weird & confusing naming changes)
I have no ideal how it would work but maybe the Tech Community may need to take it upon themselves to create an unofficial standard.
@@pear7828 USB actually have different labels and icons and it kinda makes sense thou it makes stuff more complicated (but actually cables were different before and you had to test and try).
HDMI doesn't have icons and labels so RTFM to all of devices you want to buy
They exist, its just that they're not readily available to the consumer. The capability needs to be listed on the package. This goes way back to the Truth in Advertising regulation. It looks like manufactures have found another loop-hole to get around it. We've got to watch these people diligently or they will try to cheat you.
Its a cheap Chinese monitor, If you want the features as advertised pay the price for one that offers it. Beggars can't be choosers. There are far more important things out there to worry about the B*&%$ about .1
They just created another oppurtunity for companies with bad products to deceive customers. Standards exists to alleviate confusion so "retiring" one when it is still widely sold on the market just makes no sense.
After HDMI 2.1. there is no way for me to prove to you exactly what I am looking at when viewing old B & W photos taken in gardens and parks. Its fascinating.I feel I am able to see things which exist at other frequencies when using 8 K.
this is open for legal action... we were sold HDMI 2.1 with specific traits and standards in order to future-proof ourselves. These companies as well as the licensor should be taken to court by the district attorney after such damage in public well-being and good. Essentially HDMI 2.1 was used to upsell products that are not truly up to standard. THATS called racketeering under the18 US Code 1962 RICO!
Total stupidity. Now we as consumers have to be super vigilant to the specs on any monitor or TV. Some brown envelopes must have passed hands to get this passed.
I agree this is outrageously stupid. But we as consumers should be vigilant with checking specs and reviews regardless of whether this becomes official or not
Definately somebody lobbied this stupidity. Seriously though, having a proper versioning that represent the featureset and spec were great, it is easy for consumer to tell what they will get. Now they are actively making it complicated for consumers to take advantage their confusion and may end up with a product that they don't like. Sadly, most people won't really going to complain anyways.
Brown envelopes ?
Why the color brown?
@@sownheard are you fucking serious
It really isn't anything new. Its just more of the typical greed from corporate America.
For me, HDMI 2.1 absolutely has to include at least 40Gbps bandwidth, HDR, True 10-bit Colour (not 8-bit+FRC), 4:4:4 chroma, 4K @ 120hz, otherwise it's just not HDMI 2.1. And on the audio side of things, it also needs to include eARC.
Don't forget the Ethernet channel which has been supported since 1.4 but never utilised. For a ton of people that could have reduced/eliminated the necessity of wireless routers.
@@enigmatistic8470 I can use hdmi port on a tv/monitor as an internet connection?
@@taylor6855 That was the idea with the introduction of HDMI 1.4 but nobody implemented the feature. As long as one device was connected to the internet, all of them would share it.
The trick is not to confuse capability with product features.
In my country tvs with the specs u mentioned cost a ridiculous Fortune way over me and most of my friends and family pay rate!!
Saw you mention this on Twitter. Seems like this is the age of companies finding ways to screw consumers over and not be held accountable for anything.
the shining pinnacle of capitalism
Y'all don't want to do anything about it so...All the people that died for this shit not to happen.All for nothing
Yeah, companies used to be so pure and honest, especially before labor laws. /s
@@SpaceRanger187 RIP to the soldiers of the War of Corporate Liability, which was totally a thing.
You are VERY confused. If anything, people died so that this COULD happen. People die for freedom, not to make sure companies were accountable for their products or services.
HDMI 2.1 must imply a specific set of features to assure consumer confidence.
It assured my confidence as a consumer that one day, I would discover the upgrade to the magic glasses in They Live.
It implies a specific set of standards. However, manufactures may or may not adhere to them.
Oh good. My 10600K just became a 12600K.
I hope many more jump aboard the "spreading the word" train. Maybe a change to the current policy can be encouraged. It's like saying there is no USB 2.0 or PCIE 3.0, that anything complying with those standards is now USB 3.0 or PCIE 4.0, since the former are subsets of the latter. It's crazy-speak.
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there is a difference between PCEI 3.0 and 4.0 tho and its still true!
well USB did the same thing :P with USB 3
Thanks so much. Your monitor videos are genuinely so great. Very informative and to the point, with good explanations of technical stuff. Reminds me of Tim from HUB.
At least we still have display port. 😎
Basically this means I need to research and use a 30 page spread sheet when I decide to buy a new monitor. One extra feature that's misleading.
The roll out of HDMI 2.1 has been a complete disaster. Also this seems like a way for TV and AVR companies to get out of making true HDMI 2.1 hardware.
Well at least LTT will be testing the cables.
Very informative video and congrats on the 200k subs! 🎉
Not entirely.the title says "HDMI 2.1 means nothing anymore." when as stated here at 2:59 that actually applies for hdmi 2.0
@@Kyugorn Well as a consumer it is definitely nice to know that HDMI 2.1 is basically no different than HDMI 2.0 if I ever decide to upgrade my monitor down the road. Although I will have to say that I always have issue when using HDMI outputs on my PC and use DP instead.
@@CrashForce Truth be told, this is just another reminder to look closely at the feature list, but also customer reviews on stuff, in this case monitors.
But that's besides the point. The point is, these guys over here epicly failed at picking a title, by choosing one that's emotionally charged to the point of using a goddamn emoji , when the tone of the content itself is shifted to a direction of level-headed education. That way i simply cannot know what to expect from these people on the regular.
TL;DR ALL clickbait is toxic and then corrosive for viewers. Anyone practicing it unironically doesn't have a right to a platform and must be removed as soon as possible.
Just a headups up. HDMI Licensing has a Twitter page, I'd recommend us all to leave a comment even if it's a small message it will have a big impact :)
Wow, HDMI 2.x was already a mess but it just gets worse. Thank you for explaining this in detail and hopefully the HDMI Licensing Administrator will realise that what they're doing here is making things a nightmare for consumers.
It was always a nightmare. Its has now just become more so.
_(...)hopefully the HDMI Licensing Administrator will _*_realize_*_ that what they're doing here is making things a nightmare for consumers._
lol you're so naive. Yeah, maybe they'll "realize" consumers should be respected after companies stop paying them to turn a blind eye on specs & standards.
@@Rodox2k10 Respect is irrelevant, but they do care about the consumer dollar. See above.
There is enough confusion with USB. Now we have to deal with HDMI. Not really user friendly at all. It does sound like they just did this just for marketing. 🙄
What was your first clue? They're doing it for money.
If the features are optional, sorting between fake advertisements and actual product you want will be even worse than now.
When I bought new TV last year I spent a long time to find a proper 2.1 HDMI cable that wasn't just a 2.0 cable listed as 2.1.
So glad I'm subbed to this channel. Thank you for talking about this!
Very informative and well explained, thank you
Congratulations on hitting 200k subs 🎉🥳
Always appreciate you reviews Nada.It does not get more honest than your reviews.You always give customers a good heads up!
Wow 200K subs! Congrats Techtesters!
This is crazy they keep changing the rules. I just bought a brand new av receiver thinking it came with 2.1 support now I don't even know if it is even partially 2.1 support for whatever that means. Also does this stuff fallback if a feature is not supported or will you one day connect you high bandwidth device and it wont work.
That is SO dirty! Thanks for bringing attention to it (and props of course to TFT Central, but your video was the one that found my feed)
I had no idea that this was happening, Thank you so much for keeping us informed. Happily subbed and looking forward to your next content. Merry Christmas.
This is especially important for outputs. HDMI 2.0 devices cannot provide displays with 4k 120hz data even if the display supports it! This is huge problem for buyers
I'll correct you, hdmi 2.0 can souport 4k 120hz data, it can't souport 4k HDR 120hz.
I don't think that will be a huge problem tbh. My Nvidia 2060 Super (HDMI 2.0b) can support 4K 120Hz with 4:2:0 color subsampling. And it's not bad at all, I can see some color fringing around text on Windows desktop applications, but that's all. Since I don't notice anything wrong when watching videos or playing games, most people probably wouldn't notice anything wrong either.
@@TimofejNenarokov where did you find it?? Everywhere I look everyone confirms hdmi 2.0 tops at 4k 60hz and 8k 30hz... hdmi 2.1 gives 4k 120hz and 8k 60hz..
@@wolf6gc72 I found it impercly plugging 2080 ti to hdmi 2.1 TV. Had to buy usb-c to hdim 2.1 doungle to have 4k HDR 120hz on my hdmi 2.1 TV
@@TimofejNenarokov yea but that's still not the full 2.1 experience (no VRR, no real Dolby Vision or hdr not even 10bit 4:4:4 current top tvs can even go 12 bit now) I even heard 4k 120hz through adapters is not real 120hz cuz of compared to hdmi 120hz, 120hz through adapter still felt like 60hz.
Congrats on 200K!
So they basically pull an usb with that change.
This makes the spec pointless, if you can't look quickly at the HDMI version and know what it does then the HDMI spec is now pointless, companies may as well just not pay for the sticker now.
I guess they'll still need to license it to use the port at all? Not 100% sure though.
Thank you for bringing this up. Please make sure to bring this up in your reviews and explain what it means so us consumers know
Absolutely bizarre situation.📺! Groeten en ga door met deze videos! Erg fijn.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Well done!
Thanks! :D
Thanks for the heads up - subscribed!
Thank you very much for this information.
Congratulations on 200k!
Thank you so much! 😀 Will think of a way to celebrate it properly in the next few days!
Techtesters i honestly will have to keep my eyes open now for my monitor upgrade thank you so much for the info.
Agree. Thanks for the heads up. 👍
Just wanted to say that this channel is finding its voice through the second half of the year and is bringing relevant content while acknowledging other creators when they mention things out of their wheelhouse. Glad I subbed
Looks like my 5 year old 4K TV is now officially has HDMI 2.1 "Gen 1". 😂
Thanks for clarifying this.
I appreciate the heads up.
thx for the heads up
Thanks for taking the time to spread the word on this problem It's great to see youtubers showing care for the viewers. HDMi has royalties attached to it and displayport and usb 4.0 displayport don't so it will be harder for people to compare the HDMI to DIsplay port, this in its self can affect a buyers monitor and tv choice so an investigation should be carried into the groups that have made the decision and the brands that are palying along with the approach and their real intensions. Hdmi cables are still abit cheaper to make so this may be a money grab approach by the companies while they still can and the HDMI group will still get their royalties beacause people will buy Hdmi bacuse of the confusion.
This seems incredibly anti-consumer to me. This policy strikes me as more about moving old stock rather than providing consumers with clear definitions of technical capabilities of a product. This is really disappointing to see, but thank you for bringing it to everyone's attention.
Thanks for putting it so succinctly. This HDMI standard is truly horrible. Not just for monitors but also the world of Home Cinema. All sorts of terrible misinformation around the internet about which type of HDMI will support Dolby Vision, for instance. Lots of "well informed" Magazine sites saying we need certified highspeed HDMI 2.1 and others saying a normal HDMI 2.0 cable will do. As usual, it's an industry standard disaster with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing (Dolby Being the right hand). Same with all of the different USB standards we had. Consumers wasting money left and right.
BIGT THX 4 this information!!!!!
Wow, thanks for the info
Thank you for making me aware of this. This is very damning.
Your videos are so informative, keep up the good work.👍
Thanks! 😊
Well that's crazy. But a nice reason to watch more informative Techtesters vids in the future!
Great video; glad to see the work from everyone is highlighting the problem :)
DisplayPort masterrace.
Very informative, thank you very much
HDMI was "persuaded" by the monitor companies, that wanted to make more profit! This goes all the way back to when we had 286 then 386, then 486 CPU PC's, making it easy to see what was the more powerful, to naming it Pentium. Which meant you now had to look at the specifications. This was all happening 30 years ago!
Hi, and thanks for another very informative and enjoyable video. I love your content and your presentation skills. And, have a Merry Christmas!
Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention.
Thank you! Very helpful explanation of the mess that is the current HDMI “standard”. This is no different than the diminished path taken by other standards in the past such as THX and IMAX.
"..so that no-one will be misled"
Lady, you will never find a job in marketing
Thanks for bringing attention to this topic. When I first learn about the 4k monitor Gigabyte M32U not having full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth from your review, I thought that was bad enough that we have to pay attention to the bandwidth now.
Never knew it would be as bad as this steaming pile of poo. Now we have to pay attention to every single feature that was expected from HDMI 2.1, and see which one are missing from each product.
Thanks for sharing. If it is branded as HDMI 2.1, it should do what HDMI 2.1 can do in my opinion.
HDMI 2.1 doesn't mean anything at this point. The spec is 48Gbps, yet the new Xbox is 40Gbps and when the new PS came out it was 33Gbps. The Xbox managed to do all the 2.1 features with 40Gbps.. the new PS was supposed to get an update to do 40Gbps because 33 wasn't enough to do VRR. It was supposed to be updated to unlock 40Gbps but I don't believe it ever did. I don't know if there are currently any 2.1 devices that do 48Gbps. 40 seems to be the norm now and honestly I don't know what the extra 8Gbps would really get you if everything can be done with 40Gbps. VRR was part of the 2.1 spec yet the new PS couldn't do VRR when it was released due to lack of bandwidth yet it's marked 2.1. Buying anything 2.1 right now is buyer beware.
Thank you for bring this topic to more light with your follower. It’s unjust to label a product that doesn’t support the features. We have to be more informed when shopping. We can’t relay on their “specialists” at the store to let us know what is compatible.
My HDMI 2.0 port identifies as a HDMI 2.1 port.
Nowadays more and more specs on the box are just that, specs on the box and nothing more. Sad. Thank you Nada for this video and for the link you posted. I appreciate it.
The human eye can't even see more than hdmi 2.0
I do read TFT Central, but not often enough to have seen this. Thanks for shining a light on this industry stupidity.
I bought the m32u thanks to you! It's amazing!
Read an article on Reddit, thought it was really important (and a bit outrageous, IMHO). It's good that you brought this up.
awesome video, and i like the wallapaper at the start of the video, any link for download ?
This reminds me of the time when TV's were claiming to have 120hz but really only had 60hz. I forget what the work around was, but man was it crazy
Bang-a-rang, thank you so much for this update. Literally about to pull the trigger on a new monitor (48" LG C1) and while I thought I was okay, I just checked again based on this update. You rock!!!
What does this have to do with the C1?
@@tarnishedd My guess would be that the C1 is labeled as “HDMI 2.1”?
@@StolenJoker84 you are correct, good guess!
Yeah I have a CX and its great, the only issue is with the HDMI 2.1 cables as HDMI 2.1 specifications are meaningless.
LG C1/CX is a true genuine hdmi 2.1 tho its able to do 4k 120hz with VRR and Gsync capable.
So going forward every HDMI 2.0 device will be HDMI 2.1 but it doesn't necessarily mean anything unless they specifically list what features they support? But they don't have to list what isn't supported? Great, I needed life to be more confusing.
My solution: if its not on the box, it stays on the shelf. And for crissake don't trust the sales people.
Wow, I guess I'll need to do more reading and research before my next monitor purchase... Happy Holidays team 🎄
Thank you for the information, I really wondering if all these confusing names and labels we see across the entire industry is actually meant to purposefully confuse customers or if the engineers and such legitimately think these are better and easier to understand
Love your videos. Have you heard any info on the upcoming (Feb.22) on the new Acer 32S I believe it’s called? It’s a 32” 4K HDR mini led hdmi 2.1 monitor coming next year. Supposedly it will have 512 zones and be able to hit 1200nits. I love your reviews. Would love to see you review this one.
Great information as I’m looking to buy a HDMI 2.1 monitor mainly for my PS5. Just confused on what to go with. I do want to use it with my PC also.
Hi TechTesters! I really like the background image being displayed on the Gigabyte monitor in your video. Can you share a link so I can get this? Thanks!
Modern Business 'The art of Selling something completely different to what's advertised and circumventing any legal comeback' misrepresentation is more and more common
Thank you
Great! I didn't know how to use my spare time, now I can delve into complicated specs of monitors and TVs all day long! Yippie!
Love your content and productions style, hope the comment helps up the algo because you do great work!
It's important to always dig around and do a lot of research. With refresh rates for instance, different websites can have different claims about the same product.
Find the one you trust. Just beware of those with sponsors. You can't objectively rate a product that sponsors your channel. No matter what anyone tells you.
Im glad you said "in my opinion" after saying its wrong as its still objective regardless of how much it does or does not make sense. Subbed as soon as i heard that, its good to know what is objective and how its only ourselves that think things and not the voice for all. Silly little things like that make me like or question people. Its also the type of thing id add myself and i see not many do this and talk like they are emperors of thought for everyone
Mrs Techtesters, can you explain me if the difference between the cable HDMI 2.0 and HDMI 2.1 is the hardware of the cables, the way they are built, or its only software, a upgrade drive ???
Please explaine me.
So what are their plans for the future of what comes after HDMI 2 since they change it?
How is this less confusing? this is crazy. Do you think the monitor companies have been lobbying them as they struggling to sell old units?
Seems like most monitor companies didn't know either, or they'd have been marketing trash HDMI 2.1 connections for much longer. I think HDMI LE just figured this suits themselves best.
LOL !! TCL, Hisense and Vizio do this with their TV's. They put HDMI 2.1 on the box but the TV panels are 60hz, no VRR, no ALLM.
Thank you, you goddess for this video!
can you please advise if the HDMI 2.1 on the strix scar 2022 you reviewed real 2.1?
2.1 marketing & honesty was hurting sales of monitors with fewer features! Got to read ALL THE FINE PRINT NOW!
At first a was annoyed that the HDMI consortium would do this, but after thinking about it for a while, it kind of makes sense. Basically, HDMI 2.1 is only the interface. It's the current standard with a theoretical transfer bandwidth of 48Gb/s to utilize additional features like 4K at 120Hz, VRR, etc... it would be up to the individual display manufacturer to actually list the specs it has, regardless if it was using HDMI2.1 ports or not. When I was shopping for a new TV, I wasn't just looking for a TV that had HDMI2,1 ports and automatically assuming it would have 4K@120Hz with variable refresh rate. Instead I was actually reading the exact listed specifications and making an informed purchase.
My experience with HDMI 2.1 is it enables you to use 8.K monitors and TVs to see things you cannot see using 4.K. Thanks for your wonderful video! Kind regards from Ásgeir in Iceland.
May I ask where can one find your monitor wallpaper, please?
Scary. You'll have to really read the fine print on products now to ensure you're getting what you need.
As I frequently switch locations and connect up to 4 monitors to both my PC and my laptop, and even carry desktop computers from one city to another, I am tired of both monitors and video cards supporting a history of connectors: VGA, DVI, HDMI, DP, USB-C. I just wish they could settle on one standard like the USB-C. And to make cables even more of a problem, both HDMI and DP sometimes come with mini-HDMI and mini-DP ports for the laptops ...
Maybe video card manufacturers could make cards with just 4 USB-C ports, but provide some adapters in the box to DP, HDMI, DVI, VGA....
Love the wallpaper.
That’s great news. My new “HDMI 2.1” TV and AVR receiver can wait then. Thanks
I agree with your standpoint completely, what a stupid decision. It’s like saying usb 2 and 3 are the same, idiotic.
Some Hisense tv sell their tv in my region with hdmi 2.1 port however it only support 60hz, how ridiculous
How about something like HDMI2 Gen2 48Gbps VRR Plus? It has a nice flow to it, no?
Great information, amazing work done here to explain it. But my questions will be about PS5 console that support HDMI 2.1 is that not matter at all now?
What does support mean? If you can't precisely answer that question, then you have your answer.
Nada, I like your face. A very friendly face for tech reviews is a nice welcome.