Rest in peace professor Sugrue 🙏 It's a rare gift to receive the wisdom of a developed biblical scholar, who was also a profound intellectual, in the more general sense of the term. A true luminary
0:40 The Most Spiritual, around year 90 1:09 Most influential, Mystical aspect of Jesus 2:26 Synopsis, Summation Text 4:00 Miraculous Divinity 4:40 Weave The Gospels Together 5:33 The Rich, Deep, End of The World 6:13 Jesus & Judaism “I Am” extension of The Old Testament 8:14 Borrowing without Diminishing Universality of The Chosen Triumph of The Spirit/The Logos 9:34 Symbolism The Logos is sacred Polyglosia 11:04 I Am, I Am, I Am 11:55 Numerical Symbols 13:04 66 Chapters 3, 7, 12, 40 14:17 1 - God 2 - Society, Adam & Eve 3 - Heavenly Trinity, Celestial 15:07 4 - The World, Direction 15:44 5 - Humanity 6 - Evil, Corruption 16:29 7 - Perfection 16:56 12 - Harmony 17:20 40 - completion 18:04 Feeding 5,000, 5 loaves + 2 fishes 18:44 Miracle of Lazarus 4 Days, human life, human rebirth 3 Days, Heavenly God rebirth 20:51 Chapter 21, Book of John Lowering the net, 153 fishes 🎣 *Times events happen* 22:08 6 Signs balanced by I Am 23:24 Unredeemed Prior to Jesus 24:20 The Journey, To Heal Wounds *The Names* 26:14 A Hymn Articulating • Son of Man & Son of God 27:37 The Perfect Man 28:53 I Am 29:27 God’s Glory is Revealed 30:59 Chapter 21: A 2nd Conclusion 31:30 _The Story of The Net & The Fish_ 🐠 🐟 🎣 Filled to Completion and Unbroken. Perfection. 32:33 33:48 “153” 35:25 Triatic Symbolism (Individual, Band, Family?) 36:40 Animal, Vegetable, Mineral Vine and Branches 38:11 Liquids • Water from Rock, • Wine from Vine/Blood 39:45 Temptations • Stone -> Bread • Bowing Down • Thrown Hope Charity 40:46 The Ages of History Age of Yahweh Age of Jesus Age of Martyrs 42:29 The Final Sign 🪧 Infinitude 43:19 1 Story in 4 Stories, The Feeding of the 5,000 People with the Fishes 44:0044:33 Infinite Inexhaustible Spiritual Life
Taking a breath.. it’s like an urgent rebirth listening the the infinitely staggering insight that he presents us with. A stream of consciousness that creates amazement and humility. So glad to catch this ..I hope to listen to it (and all of his lectures) 153 times..Thank you Prof Sugrue..!!
I've listened to this so many freaking times. Your lectures are masterworks, and I hope I can do as half as good a lecture as you one day! Since I've listened to this ive been seeing these numbers in paintings and on old buildings, absolutely astonishing.
Get to know Manly P Hall as well for insight of matters concerning us all, symbolism, secret societies and etcetera. Enjoy what you do enjoy as you listen in this life
Blood didn't turned to water on the Cross. Rather both came out at the same time. It signify completion. For more real signification of this completion i.e its supernatural and spiritual meaning, one can check out the Revelation of Christ to St. Faustina with His Divine Mercy.
@@lomaszaza7142My understanding was that this water and blood that flows out of Jesus' sides after being speared, signifies his dualism. Blood for the human in Jesus and water for divinity in him 😮.
I'm not a man of faith but this series and this lecture in particular made me more exited to read and interpret the bible than any priest, pastor or deacon, more than any religious instruction could ever motivate me to do. Guess I'm a sucker for number magic.
Same. I am passionate denier of any metaphysical explanations, but prof. Sugrue presents them so well and so passionately (and not just the religious ones), that I can't help but relate to all those authors/philosophers and understand what they were thinking and why, and really appreciate where they're coming from.
Watch professor Carrier who develops the pseudochristian tradition built on usurpation of historical facts and on wishful thinking from perverted collective minds in authority.
Thank you very much for such close adherence to the written meanings of these texts. It's been enlightening for me and integral to my work in mathematics. Correlating various discoveries of fields of pure math, namely combinatorics, with biblical significance and the Syracuse Problem. It's been an amazing competition of favorites, and I was so named for exactly the purpose of honoring John, brother of Jesus. It seems fitting my works connect with his. Thanks Dad 😆 Thank you again for speaking of these topics, Dr. Sugrue.
These are genuinely the greatest lectures on philosophy I’ve ever heard. Is Dr Sugrue still around, I hope? I’d love to help put these together as a podcast; these deserve to be heard as widely as possible!
Wow…something profound has just gone off in my head but I’m not sure what! It feels like my mind has been blown 🤯 and my intellect has been left looking around asking “what just happened!”😳
You're too good to be true Michael. Goodness, an absolute shame you didn't become a priest or at least taught seminarians. You're magic! Thank you. I am ploughing through your SERMONS!
Jesus was in the tomb 1 day - the sabbath. From Friday 15:00 until Sunday 06:00, some 40 hrs, encompassing one complete day, the sabbath. He rested on the 7th day in the most littoral sense. All music, no noise in the Bible.
153 is the sum of numbers 1 through 17 - not sure what this means, but it's interesting! This also means you can lay out 153 items in a perfect triangle.
It may be more simple than all the complex math. The center of and of 1 and 5 is 3 on an integer line if you start at 1 and 5 and count one space together towards each number. One is God, 5 is man. God and Man coming together is 3. Three is the heavenly or divine number. Jesus is God and Man. The net contains the symbolism and metaphors of the Word. The Word is Jesus - 153.
The thing that always struck me about John is how, very near the end, he says ‘and I suppose...’ As far as I’m aware, none of the other gospel writers refers to himself in this way, let alone in such an ambiguous way
Irenaeus Florinus I can even describe the place where the blessed Polycarp used to sit and discourse - his going out, too, and his coming in - his general mode of life and personal appearance, together with the discourses which he delivered to the people; also how he would speak of his familiar intercourse with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord; and how he would call their words to remembrance. Whatsoever things he had heard from them respecting the Lord, both with regard to His miracles and His teaching, Polycarp having thus received [information] from the eye-witnesses of the Word of life, would recount them all in harmony with the Scriptures.
If i'm not wrong, i think your comment is from Bishop Eusebios. At any rate, Wherever you got it, it needs to be in quotation and in bracket reference the author.
@@lomaszaza7142 . Source. Translated by Alexander Roberts. From Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1. Edited by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1885.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight. Contact information. The editor of New Advent is Kevin Knight
Hi Professor - @ 39:45 I don’t quite understand the triad temptations of Jesus and how it relates to animal, vegetable, and/or liquid symbolism. Changing stone into bread made sense, but I’m a little lost on the other 2 temptations. Could you expound on those 2 relationships?
That cough at 23:27 really caught me off guard haha I was so invested on that whole numerology bit explain the 6 events before Jesus' death and resurrection and his explanation that 6 was representative of evil, that when he coughed it literally threw me so off and made question my reality for a bit
31:30 Interchangeable triads-such a cool analysis. Though on the surface does 153 not signify: *God/man/divinity* Famished souls cast their net faithfully on the other side and discover endless sustenance.
Good point, but bear in mind that the Arabic numbers weren't known back then, unless I'm mistaken. I thought the same about whether the roman CLIII could even mean something...
@@varo09111991 thanks for the thoughts-numerology is a highly polysemous thing for sure. I looked into the Ancient Greek numbering system: 153 = εκατόν πενήντα τρία (ekatón penínda tría) [one hundred fifty three] {100-50-3} I think you may be right that originally they wouldn’t have had the same experience of the Arabic number breaking down - 1 - 5 - 3 would be: ένα - πέντε - τρία (éna - pénde - tría) But I still want to say that Greeks could have seen 153 as separate fragments, however maybe it’s my indoctrination in the Arabic numbering system taking over-as (éna - pénde - tría) only partially overlaps (ekatón penínda tría) it seems.. What would be interesting to know is if éna is connected to ekatón in counting like pénde/penínda seem to be-even though they are different words with no overlapping number symbol, I can still say “fifty-three” and know that at base it’s “five sets of ten and three”. I wonder if any Ancient Greek readers would have been able to discern 1-5-3 distinctly in this way from reverse engineering their counting names. Maybe there is no actual equivalent in their system, but some of these Ancient Greek counting names seem to be derivative to degrees.
Watching your lectures is sometimes like reading a chapter of nietzsche, where just out of the blue you’ll drop a profound connection or insight that blows me away. The end of this video, however, was more like trying to read through the epigrams chapter of beyond good and evil without pausing at all to think 😂.
I'm always looking for new interesting lectures on Psychology/Philosophy, please let me know if you guys have any recommendations, would be highly appreciated
12 is a full set or harmonious set. Seems to come from 12 months in a year. Like the 40 being a complete period of time seems to come from 40 weeks of pregnancy.
Can't say I didn't find this lecture interesting. Even so, I find this reducing the Gospels to "number magic" to be very superficial and missing the entire messages of the stories. There have been many Hebrew scholars who have done the same with the Talmud and Pentateuch. It's like turning the scriptures into a kind of soduku puzzle where you can only unlock the message with fancy feats of numerology. The Bible and the Gospels are so much more than that. Perhaps, Dr. Sugrue prefers numerology over facing the ideas of the Bible head on. Dr. Sugrue, I'd love to hear your response!
Why is such sophisticated coding and decoding is needed in the Bible? By some estimates 97% of the population in the 1st century were illiterate. How does this even makes any sense? I found it futile in a way to try and look for something which is not there.
Hi Glenn. An unfortunate use of words - "number magic" but appreciate the sentiment by Prof. Sugrue. I suppose it demonstrates that there is nothing wasted or casual about the text in the Bible; it all seems very strategic and defies (in my mind) the notion that individuals on their own could write anything so inspired and consistent regarding "number magic".😊
Given the Messianic conviction expressed throughout John, could the 153 fishes netted by the disciples in the final Verse not represent the official number of nations within the Roman Empire, and beyond?
I wonder if one way to look at 153 is that the 3 digit position is a 1: so like how 7 is Heavenly and Earthly, 100 is Heavenly and Godly (not Earthly? Other/Unknown) 5 is in the two digit position, man and society Finally, 3 being in the 1 digit position would invert the 3 digit dual symbol of Heavenly and Godly as Godly and Heavenly So, man and society is in some way a Heavenly sandwich, Heaven being the connection between the mundane and divine?
@@dr.michaelsugrue Have you ever considered reproducing them? Also, if you start a podcast, I'd recommend looking into Peter Adamson's podcast. Perhaps even consider a collaboration.
John is the 43rd book in the Bible, which numerically might represent harmony between Heaven and Earth, and completion of divine work, where 40 represents completion and 3 represents divinity. Also worth noting is that according to Big Bang Theory, there was a brief period of time immediately after the beginning of space time called the Planck constant which is 10 ^ -43, when the Universe was so excessive in temperature that there weren’t even atoms. John opens with, “In the beginning” and the Planck constant refers to the beginning of the material world.
I have listened to biblical scholars who claim that what the "end of this sinful world" meant to the people of the time was an end to the current evil political system under which so many suffered, i.e. Rome. They did not mean a literal end of life on Earth. Personally, the expectation of the end of the world was always HUGELY problematic for me. If someone has promised to come back for you, and more than two thousand years later they person still had not come for you, then I think it is time to admit no one is coming back for you. As one biblical scholar I have heard said, it is not so much we who are placing the demands on God but God who is placing the command on us to change our world and live according to Jesus's teaching. Now, I do believe the literal end of the world may very well happen, but it will be humanity's collective suicide by way of what we are doing to the planet and all life on it.
So I'm gonna be that guy. After all that explanation of symbolic numerology, what does 153 represent? If we take them in order it goes: God, man, trinity. Maybe signifying that the covenant between God and man is intrinsically holy. Or, for a little more abstract, if we add the numbers together we get 9. Nine is perfectly divisible by 3. And not only that but technically it's 333, so is this symbolic of the last miracle being the most holy? The end all be all miracle of the most perfect person that has eternal life? I know he said we didn't have enough time but after him explaining the numbers outright I was hoping for his direct translation. Unless I'm missing something. Am I stupid?
@@dr.michaelsugrue CLIII. What is the significance of translating to roman if the bible was written in Greek? Or was John not written in Greek? I honestly don't know. By writing in roman are we alluding to the centurion in some way? How do letters and fish connect? Or Romans and miracles? If there's any imagery associated with the numerals I'm ignorant to any reference of any kind. Then I ask if 153 is important to Greek culture but that doesn't matter since you specified roman. And my mind goes to the writers talking in code and metaphor (three headed beast referencing the three hills) so the Romans couldn't decipher what they were trying to teach so I'm honestly at a loss. I think I'm missing some cultural perspective because I've been at this for a long time and even consulted other Christians. No one knows, and even then, Google (as my last resort) gives back mixed results. But I'm not worried about that. My concern is attempting to interpret correctly and I don't know how else to approach this.
@@dr.michaelsugrue thank you for keeping this channel alive. Your dad’s lessons are just amazing. Are you Genevieve, the owner of the Idea Store podcast?
Professor Sugrue, here’s my crappy homework on “153”. 1={~€^%#|~}. 5= this idiot. 3= divine intervention that I “accidentally” stumbled upon via TH-cam algorithm. It gave me gift of your channel. I had my final nudge back to the faith I was raised on when I viewed your lecture on the Book of Matthew. I may be a member of generation x, but what I have just stated is neither sarcasm ( my gen’s vice), or delusion. In short, thank you
Good for you Kenneth. Me too ...stumbled across Prof. Michael Sugrue about a week ago and have been compulsively listening to his podcasts. Fascinating and absorbing. Greetings from Australia 🦘 Good luck and best wishes and keep up your homework!
153 - my interpretation. The '5' is sandwiched between the two pillars of God (1) and the Trinity (3). 'Our essence is God (1). However, as 5' represents original sin and human imperfection, then in order to achieve perfection and freedom from sin, we need to be transformed by the baptism of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Hence, people will do the sign of the cross to demonstrate that they consciously acknowledge and brand themselves as disciples of Christ - in the same way babies/children are baptised with the sign of the cross (Trinity). The three elements of the Holy Trinity are distinct but not separate, emanating from the essence of God. God is the source. 153 appears AFTER the resurrection of Jesus to further reinforce that redemption occurs through undertaking that transformational process via the Trinity - otherwise we can decide to stay stuck at being '5', imperfect and sinful. Jesus suffered 5 wounds, again demonstrating the sins wrought on Him by man.
Son of Man is a translation from the Hebrew expression, “son of Adam”. It is meant to point out that Jesus is a descendant of the bloodline of Adam, he is the new Adam, the deified perfect man. The Theanthropos.
The synoptics are an event and quote-based recounting with minimal editorializing. John feels pure dogmatism with an agenda. The fact that it is so different from the other 3 sheds unnecessary doubt on all of it.
I think he should have mentioned Philo's treatment of the number six. Certainly Revelation treats six as evil but I'm not convinced the whole Bible does that and I suspect some of the authors of the new testament had read Philo. Also the analogy to Bach doesn't work well. Bach's music does of course always end on a consonant chord but it doesn't have clearly established zones of "tension" that require some sort of explicit "resolution"; this terminology is generally applied to sonata form (such as by Charles Rosen), the dominant form of most of the composers following Bach until the 20th century.
This is great and love the explanation of the final sign but I mean... 153 = infinity is nice but... why not any other number? How about this idea: 153 is the order of God's manifestations to humanity... 1= God's number / God the father; 5 = Human number / God the man 3 = Spiritual realm / God the spirit... first there was Yahweh leading the Israelites, then he sent Jesus, then Jesus was sacrificed & resurrected giving us access to the Spirit. Still fits with the rest of the analysis... God is infinite, yes, but also, God & His various manifestations / means of providing for us is enough "spiritual food" to feed all of humanity.
Sharing Divnity of One God in man; this unity with the whole man as man; saved by the Triune God. Or One God revealed His secret to Humanity and the deepest secret is He is Triune. He who knows this must die like a fish, and pass from his habitant to where he knows not i.e. where Jesus is waiting.
Tell us Dr. Sugrue… how much caffeine and how many stimulants did it require to establish such a forceful delivery??? I also suppose perhaps none, there are those that vibe so high that there’s nothing to do but tone it down.
Don't be any denser than you need to. No, I was not on meth or cocaine or Adderall or any other narcotics (legal or illegal) and the question implies a weak misunderstanding of what I do. Read Chuang Tzu's parable about the Emperor and the Cook. When I am teaching I am thinking out loud, being myself, only moreso. Simultaneously, all my lectures are all extemporaneous. They require that I empty myself to focus and become transparent. Only getting into "the zone" via an extended period of silence and reflection before lecturing allows me to be myself only less so. The goal is to become a human superconductor of the Holy Spirit, all flow, no impedance.
I think you're brilliant Dr. Sugrue. It was an energetic and delightful lecture. I think you demonstrate love and passion for teaching and the subject matter. That's how you come across in your presentations - and I have now seen quite a few. You're always consistent. It's wonderful to watch and there are lots of people like me that appreciate your work. Thank you very much and God bless you Michael.
The Professor's deep respect for this non-synoptic Gospel- I greatly esteem. However, devoting the entire lecture to "number magic" and hidden meanings was sad for me. For this most poetic gospel that contains far too many "classic" lines, including "For God so loved the world"( those words are only in This gospel) and the Great chapter 17, consisting entirely of Jesus' personal prayer to God..I happen to dislike "You can only understand the hidden meanings with higher education"--this time in the Bible, but I believe we've scared several generations in the US away from poetry, because too.many think, in order to "get" the poem, they have to "decode it." This is a LONG way from the average Athenian of the 5th Century BC being able to easily quote Sophocles. It is impossible to explain beauty using logic
I figured 153 was God-Humans-Celestial or rather Father-Son-Holy Spirit, those three digits also being a celestial amount of numbers, all combined into an eternal, spiritual unity. Probably an oversimplification lol
153 great fish is to teach the Greeks (and everyone else) who seeks wisdom that Jesus contains the fullness of human wisdom. Archimedes' value of pi consists the number 153 many times. However, Jesus had already cooked some fish when they had caught the 153 fishes. it is to show Jesus' wisdom is even beyond the human wisdom. :) In this time of pandemic, we really need this wisdom of Jesus because the variant of the Covid is changing faster than the vaccines we can develop. To add: 1John2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. It's the three major temptation in the world and Jesus was tempted of this triad.
Gods statement to Moses, "I am" means "I am all things" as opposed to Jesus's "I am" statements that are quite focused, specific and directly related to a pathway aka the way, the truth and the life. And so it seems to me that Jesus is a life guide who leads us to become more 'I am' in this life. Jesus's message seems to be that we focus on specific things in order to transform ourselves into those worthy of the kingdom of God in the afterlife but more practically speaking to transform ourselves into more 'godlike' beings. As Jesus is quoted in the bible, "You shall do all this and more". Is this not a reference to becoming godlike especially since Jesus himself is seen, in many respects, as a god? And if we are capable of doing more than Jesus himself then havent we advanced into a godlike state? This line of reasoning contains no elements of blasphemy for if we analyze the concept of human souls evolving into the ranks of "I am" then this can only mean that we are 100% in harmony with God and not capable of placing ourselves above God in any way since doing so would be in conflict and in contradiction to being in the state of 'I am'. You would literally become something else and no longer be godlike.
One 5 three of You know God then He will tell you the beauty of 153 it is 9 *17 or 17 *3*3 nine being rapture and 17 being the number that represents Christ too much to explain here but beyond the symbolism of the numbers it’s Also Passover or the Passover more specifically if your interested comment and I can explain more. I hope this guy is saved. He seems like he is or will be
Rest in peace professor Sugrue 🙏
It's a rare gift to receive the wisdom of a developed biblical scholar, who was also a profound intellectual, in the more general sense of the term. A true luminary
A true masterpiece. Thank you, Dr Sugrue. You are intelligent and articulate beyond belief.
0:40 The Most Spiritual, around year 90
1:09 Most influential, Mystical aspect of Jesus
2:26 Synopsis, Summation Text
4:00 Miraculous Divinity
4:40 Weave The Gospels Together
5:33 The Rich, Deep, End of The World
6:13 Jesus & Judaism
“I Am” extension of The Old Testament
8:14 Borrowing without Diminishing
Universality of The Chosen
Triumph of The Spirit/The Logos
9:34 Symbolism
The Logos is sacred
Polyglosia
11:04 I Am, I Am, I Am
11:55 Numerical Symbols
13:04 66 Chapters
3, 7, 12, 40
14:17
1 - God
2 - Society, Adam & Eve
3 - Heavenly Trinity, Celestial
15:07 4 - The World, Direction
15:44 5 - Humanity
6 - Evil, Corruption
16:29 7 - Perfection
16:56 12 - Harmony
17:20 40 - completion
18:04 Feeding 5,000, 5 loaves + 2 fishes
18:44 Miracle of Lazarus
4 Days, human life, human rebirth
3 Days, Heavenly God rebirth
20:51 Chapter 21, Book of John
Lowering the net, 153 fishes 🎣
*Times events happen*
22:08
6 Signs balanced by I Am
23:24 Unredeemed Prior to Jesus
24:20 The Journey, To Heal Wounds
*The Names*
26:14 A Hymn Articulating
• Son of Man & Son of God
27:37 The Perfect Man
28:53 I Am
29:27 God’s Glory is Revealed
30:59 Chapter 21: A 2nd Conclusion
31:30 _The Story of The Net & The Fish_ 🐠 🐟 🎣 Filled to Completion and Unbroken. Perfection. 32:33
33:48 “153” 35:25 Triatic Symbolism
(Individual, Band, Family?)
36:40 Animal, Vegetable, Mineral
Vine and Branches
38:11 Liquids
• Water from Rock,
• Wine from Vine/Blood
39:45 Temptations
• Stone -> Bread
• Bowing Down
• Thrown
Hope Charity
40:46 The Ages of History
Age of Yahweh
Age of Jesus
Age of Martyrs
42:29 The Final Sign 🪧
Infinitude
43:19 1 Story in 4 Stories, The Feeding of the 5,000 People with the Fishes 44:00 44:33 Infinite Inexhaustible Spiritual Life
Thanks
Taking a breath.. it’s like an urgent rebirth listening the the infinitely staggering insight that he presents us with. A stream of consciousness that creates amazement and humility. So glad to catch this ..I hope to listen to it (and all of his lectures) 153 times..Thank you Prof Sugrue..!!
It is overwhelming. Such a passionate articulation, it is touching me spiritually.
❤ rowland
I've listened to this so many freaking times. Your lectures are masterworks, and I hope I can do as half as good a lecture as you one day! Since I've listened to this ive been seeing these numbers in paintings and on old buildings, absolutely astonishing.
Get to know Manly P Hall as well for insight of matters concerning us all, symbolism, secret societies and etcetera. Enjoy what you do enjoy as you listen in this life
Water turned to wine, wine turned to blood, and blood turned to water on the cross. Beautiful symbolism. Fantastic lecture
Blood didn't turned to water on the Cross. Rather both came out at the same time. It signify completion.
For more real signification of this completion i.e its supernatural and spiritual meaning, one can check out the Revelation of Christ to St. Faustina with His Divine Mercy.
@@lomaszaza7142My understanding was that this water and blood that flows out of Jesus' sides after being speared, signifies his dualism. Blood for the human in Jesus and water for divinity in him 😮.
I have watched all of these...
NOW...
I really enjoy them very much.
I'm not a man of faith but this series and this lecture in particular made me more exited to read and interpret the bible than any priest, pastor or deacon, more than any religious instruction could ever motivate me to do. Guess I'm a sucker for number magic.
Dad said, Isaiah 6:6.
Same. I am passionate denier of any metaphysical explanations, but prof. Sugrue presents them so well and so passionately (and not just the religious ones), that I can't help but relate to all those authors/philosophers and understand what they were thinking and why, and really appreciate where they're coming from.
@@AtanasNenov grateful for your understanding and wonder. God bless
Watch professor Carrier who develops the pseudochristian tradition built on usurpation of historical facts and on wishful thinking from perverted collective minds in authority.
@@dr.michaelsugrue what does this mean please don’t leave me like this
Thanks!
Beautiful, the Gospel of John was always my favorite
Thank you very much for such close adherence to the written meanings of these texts. It's been enlightening for me and integral to my work in mathematics. Correlating various discoveries of fields of pure math, namely combinatorics, with biblical significance and the Syracuse Problem. It's been an amazing competition of favorites, and I was so named for exactly the purpose of honoring John, brother of Jesus. It seems fitting my works connect with his. Thanks Dad 😆
Thank you again for speaking of these topics, Dr. Sugrue.
These are genuinely the greatest lectures on philosophy I’ve ever heard.
Is Dr Sugrue still around, I hope?
I’d love to help put these together as a podcast; these deserve to be heard as widely as possible!
I saw in another post that he passed away
@@elephantinpajamas Can you find this post? I'd like to get a confirmation. It would sadden me deeply, if this was the case
No, he has a podcast 'the idea store' on spotify/his website
@@TheRealDoctorBonkus This is not the case, if you haven't seen he appears in the most recent videos with "Bibliotecha Webinar" in them.
He also has some great open office hour videos going with Prof. Staloff
This calmness and clarity is a rescue rope of sanity in a crazy world. Saving my life!
Professor Michael Sugrue is a Genius!
thank You Dr .Sugrue for this fascinating and clarifying lecture. Looking forward for the rest...
Wow…something profound has just gone off in my head but I’m not sure what!
It feels like my mind has been blown 🤯 and my intellect has been left looking around asking “what just happened!”😳
The Sugrue Effect. Enjoy your stay :)
Thank you Prof Sugrue, for a fascinating lecture.
I was already aware of much of this but it's beautiful how you put all this information together. Open up new insights
absolutely amazing discussion with poetic philosophical pungency
You're too good to be true Michael. Goodness, an absolute shame you didn't become a priest or at least taught seminarians. You're magic! Thank you. I am ploughing through your SERMONS!
A WASTE had he been a priest 🤮
@@TheVigilantEye77 it doesn't matter now. Michael passed away a few months ago.
@@LoudandClearChastity He did however teach at a Catholic college during his career
Jesus was in the tomb 1 day - the sabbath. From Friday 15:00 until Sunday 06:00, some 40 hrs, encompassing one complete day, the sabbath. He rested on the 7th day in the most littoral sense. All music, no noise in the Bible.
Thank you again. You have helped greatly with my studies.
153 is the sum of numbers 1 through 17 - not sure what this means, but it's interesting! This also means you can lay out 153 items in a perfect triangle.
It’s also 17*(3+3+3)
It may be more simple than all the complex math. The center of and of 1 and 5 is 3 on an integer line if you start at 1 and 5 and count one space together towards each number. One is God, 5 is man. God and Man coming together is 3. Three is the heavenly or divine number. Jesus is God and Man. The net contains the symbolism and metaphors of the Word. The Word is Jesus - 153.
The thing that always struck me about John is how, very near the end, he says ‘and I suppose...’ As far as I’m aware, none of the other gospel writers refers to himself in this way, let alone in such an ambiguous way
Thank you professor. You’ve helped me a lot.
Thanks very much Michael. So many great insights here.
It is demonstrating the patterns of reality, as we experience it.
The lecture so nice, I had to listen twice
Extraordinary lecture!!
Excellent ! will share on the Bird App for a Sunday Listening Suggestion
Irenaeus Florinus I can even describe the place where the blessed Polycarp used to sit and discourse - his going out, too, and his coming in - his general mode of life and personal appearance, together with the discourses which he delivered to the people; also how he would speak of his familiar intercourse with John, and with the rest of those who had seen the Lord; and how he would call their words to remembrance. Whatsoever things he had heard from them respecting the Lord, both with regard to His miracles and His teaching, Polycarp having thus received [information] from the eye-witnesses of the Word of life, would recount them all in harmony with the Scriptures.
If i'm not wrong, i think your comment is from Bishop Eusebios. At any rate, Wherever you got it, it needs to be in quotation and in bracket reference the author.
@@lomaszaza7142 Thanks, teach.
@@jamessheffield4173
Ok but can you tell us where you got this quotation from? Thanks.
@@lomaszaza7142 . Source. Translated by Alexander Roberts. From Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1. Edited by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1885.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight. Contact information. The editor of New Advent is Kevin Knight
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Thanks man.
God bless you wherever you are :)
Beautiful
much thanks for the lectures professor
Hi Professor - @ 39:45 I don’t quite understand the triad temptations of Jesus and how it relates to animal, vegetable, and/or liquid symbolism. Changing stone into bread made sense, but I’m a little lost on the other 2 temptations. Could you expound on those 2 relationships?
That cough at 23:27 really caught me off guard haha
I was so invested on that whole numerology bit explain the 6 events before Jesus' death and resurrection and his explanation that 6 was representative of evil, that when he coughed it literally threw me so off and made question my reality for a bit
Thank you. RIP
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What's the source you're referring to, for the 30 page analysis of the number 153? I'd love to read it.
This is tremendous! Would someone please, lay out the 6 early signs?
Fascinating again. 🌞🌹
Can this account post all of Sugrues lectures? We want to see all of what is in the archives…
31:30 Interchangeable triads-such a cool analysis. Though on the surface does 153 not signify: *God/man/divinity*
Famished souls cast their net faithfully on the other side and discover endless sustenance.
Good point, but bear in mind that the Arabic numbers weren't known back then, unless I'm mistaken. I thought the same about whether the roman CLIII could even mean something...
@@varo09111991 thanks for the thoughts-numerology is a highly polysemous thing for sure. I looked into the Ancient Greek numbering system: 153 = εκατόν πενήντα τρία (ekatón penínda tría) [one hundred fifty three] {100-50-3}
I think you may be right that originally they wouldn’t have had the same experience of the Arabic number breaking down - 1 - 5 - 3 would be: ένα - πέντε - τρία (éna - pénde - tría)
But I still want to say that Greeks could have seen 153 as separate fragments, however maybe it’s my indoctrination in the Arabic numbering system taking over-as (éna - pénde - tría) only partially overlaps (ekatón penínda tría) it seems..
What would be interesting to know is if éna is connected to ekatón in counting like pénde/penínda seem to be-even though they are different words with no overlapping number symbol, I can still say “fifty-three” and know that at base it’s “five sets of ten and three”. I wonder if any Ancient Greek readers would have been able to discern 1-5-3 distinctly in this way from reverse engineering their counting names. Maybe there is no actual equivalent in their system, but some of these Ancient Greek counting names seem to be derivative to degrees.
Watching your lectures is sometimes like reading a chapter of nietzsche, where just out of the blue you’ll drop a profound connection or insight that blows me away. The end of this video, however, was more like trying to read through the epigrams chapter of beyond good and evil without pausing at all to think 😂.
This is lecture 8 of part 1
Unbelievable amazing!
I'm always looking for new interesting lectures on Psychology/Philosophy, please let me know if you guys have any recommendations, would be highly appreciated
me too!
Awakening from the Meaning Crisis
A question: Jesus feeding the 5000, left 12 baskets, and 12 is harmony. the harmoy of what?
12 is a full set or harmonious set. Seems to come from 12 months in a year. Like the 40 being a complete period of time seems to come from 40 weeks of pregnancy.
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Can't say I didn't find this lecture interesting. Even so, I find this reducing the Gospels to "number magic" to be very superficial and missing the entire messages of the stories. There have been many Hebrew scholars who have done the same with the Talmud and Pentateuch. It's like turning the scriptures into a kind of soduku puzzle where you can only unlock the message with fancy feats of numerology.
The Bible and the Gospels are so much more than that. Perhaps, Dr. Sugrue prefers numerology over facing the ideas of the Bible head on.
Dr. Sugrue, I'd love to hear your response!
Why is such sophisticated coding and decoding is needed in the Bible? By some estimates 97% of the population in the 1st century were illiterate. How does this even makes any sense? I found it futile in a way to try and look for something which is not there.
Hi Glenn. An unfortunate use of words - "number magic" but appreciate the sentiment by Prof. Sugrue. I suppose it demonstrates that there is nothing wasted or casual about the text in the Bible; it all seems very strategic and defies (in my mind) the notion that individuals on their own could write anything so inspired and consistent regarding "number magic".😊
Can you share the source mentioned in 35:39 ?
No, regrettably not.
@@dr.michaelsugrue ok, so now we are in a quest to help you remember.
Given the Messianic conviction expressed throughout John, could the 153 fishes netted by the disciples in the final Verse not represent the official number of nations within the Roman Empire, and beyond?
Son Of Man, that statement has always left me puzzled.
Dr. Sugrue, I need the Nietzsche's Lecture series please3x :'(
They will be coming in the near future
Please
@@dr.michaelsugrue is a spinoza or deleuze lecture coming too someday?
12:04 CASUALLY DROPPING THE HOTTEST BIBLICAL NUMEROLOGY EDUCATION YOU CAN GET IN THE FREE WORLD
"In the tomb 4 days!"
Dude was overbaked !
Profoundly profound 🤔
How many books has Mr. Sugrue read in his lifetime?
Just a few from the Jesus Seminar apparently.
I wonder if one way to look at 153 is that the 3 digit position is a 1: so like how 7 is Heavenly and Earthly, 100 is Heavenly and Godly (not Earthly? Other/Unknown)
5 is in the two digit position, man and society
Finally, 3 being in the 1 digit position would invert the 3 digit dual symbol of Heavenly and Godly as Godly and Heavenly
So, man and society is in some way a Heavenly sandwich, Heaven being the connection between the mundane and divine?
Don’t let this incredible and life altering lecture distract you from the fact that prof. Sugrue looks absolutely goofy in the thumbnail
lol this one got me
Favorite comment.
That's Mr. or Professor goofy to you buddy
Are the audio tapes still available for purchase? If not, you should start producing them again.
No, not that I know of
@@dr.michaelsugrue Have you ever considered reproducing them? Also, if you start a podcast, I'd recommend looking into Peter Adamson's podcast. Perhaps even consider a collaboration.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Professor, I'd buy those tapes in a hot second.
John is the 43rd book in the Bible, which numerically might represent harmony between Heaven and Earth, and completion of divine work, where 40 represents completion and 3 represents divinity.
Also worth noting is that according to Big Bang Theory, there was a brief period of time immediately after the beginning of space time called the Planck constant which is 10 ^ -43, when the Universe was so excessive in temperature that there weren’t even atoms. John opens with, “In the beginning” and the Planck constant refers to the beginning of the material world.
The big bang?? Gtfoh
The bible has been redacted many times. This is quite a stretch.
When the individual human is holy, there will be God's plenty on Earth.
Gospels esp of John is complicated
What is sublime is at its essence simple
I have listened to biblical scholars who claim that what the "end of this sinful world" meant to the people of the time was an end to the current evil political system under which so many suffered, i.e. Rome. They did not mean a literal end of life on Earth. Personally, the expectation of the end of the world was always HUGELY problematic for me. If someone has promised to come back for you, and more than two thousand years later they person still had not come for you, then I think it is time to admit no one is coming back for you.
As one biblical scholar I have heard said, it is not so much we who are placing the demands on God but God who is placing the command on us to change our world and live according to Jesus's teaching. Now, I do believe the literal end of the world may very well happen, but it will be humanity's collective suicide by way of what we are doing to the planet and all life on it.
Where is the link to part 2??
So I'm gonna be that guy. After all that explanation of symbolic numerology, what does 153 represent? If we take them in order it goes: God, man, trinity. Maybe signifying that the covenant between God and man is intrinsically holy. Or, for a little more abstract, if we add the numbers together we get 9. Nine is perfectly divisible by 3. And not only that but technically it's 333, so is this symbolic of the last miracle being the most holy? The end all be all miracle of the most perfect person that has eternal life? I know he said we didn't have enough time but after him explaining the numbers outright I was hoping for his direct translation. Unless I'm missing something. Am I stupid?
Express it in Roman Numeral, not Hundu-Arabic
@@dr.michaelsugrue CLIII. What is the significance of translating to roman if the bible was written in Greek? Or was John not written in Greek? I honestly don't know. By writing in roman are we alluding to the centurion in some way? How do letters and fish connect? Or Romans and miracles? If there's any imagery associated with the numerals I'm ignorant to any reference of any kind. Then I ask if 153 is important to Greek culture but that doesn't matter since you specified roman. And my mind goes to the writers talking in code and metaphor (three headed beast referencing the three hills) so the Romans couldn't decipher what they were trying to teach so I'm honestly at a loss. I think I'm missing some cultural perspective because I've been at this for a long time and even consulted other Christians. No one knows, and even then, Google (as my last resort) gives back mixed results. But I'm not worried about that. My concern is attempting to interpret correctly and I don't know how else to approach this.
Do you still teach or have you retired?
Dad has retired and stopped teaching because of illness. I am his daughter and i handle this channel.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Ahh thank you. Tell him I really enjoy his lectures. Particularly his Kierkegaard ones.
@@dr.michaelsugrue Blessings and thank you to you and your father!
@@dr.michaelsugrue well you are blessed to be his daughter. please update all other lectures. his knowledge should be reached all over the world.
@@dr.michaelsugrue thank you for keeping this channel alive. Your dad’s lessons are just amazing. Are you Genevieve, the owner of the Idea Store podcast?
Anthony Fantano’s dad is so cool
I had to explain the joke to the professor. Much cooler than Fantano
Professor Sugrue, here’s my crappy homework on “153”. 1={~€^%#|~}. 5= this idiot. 3= divine intervention that I “accidentally” stumbled upon via TH-cam algorithm. It gave me gift of your channel. I had my final nudge back to the faith I was raised on when I viewed your lecture on the Book of Matthew. I may be a member of generation x, but what I have just stated is neither sarcasm ( my gen’s vice), or delusion. In short, thank you
Good for you Kenneth. Me too ...stumbled across Prof. Michael Sugrue about a week ago and have been compulsively listening to his podcasts. Fascinating and absorbing. Greetings from Australia 🦘 Good luck and best wishes and keep up your homework!
I love how he's always, "bigger fish to fry."
153 - my interpretation. The '5' is sandwiched between the two pillars of God (1) and the Trinity (3). 'Our essence is God (1). However, as 5' represents original sin and human imperfection, then in order to achieve perfection and freedom from sin, we need to be transformed by the baptism of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Hence, people will do the sign of the cross to demonstrate that they consciously acknowledge and brand themselves as disciples of Christ - in the same way babies/children are baptised with the sign of the cross (Trinity). The three elements of the Holy Trinity are distinct but not separate, emanating from the essence of God. God is the source. 153 appears AFTER the resurrection of Jesus to further reinforce that redemption occurs through undertaking that transformational process via the Trinity - otherwise we can decide to stay stuck at being '5', imperfect and sinful. Jesus suffered 5 wounds, again demonstrating the sins wrought on Him by man.
It went from Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to John, Paul, George and Ringo (the only Jew).
Jesus is where it's at.
Why he ain’t come back yet? Or is it all metaphorical?
@@CorePathway The World is a toilet. Would you come back?
Jesus is just alright with me
Son of Man is a translation from the Hebrew expression, “son of Adam”. It is meant to point out that Jesus is a descendant of the bloodline of Adam, he is the new Adam, the deified perfect man. The Theanthropos.
Does anyone have the source he alludes to towards the end in regards to the number 153?
1. Jesu said: i am the truth, i am the light of world
2. Network of symbolic to nature
3.
12:45
The synoptics are an event and quote-based recounting with minimal editorializing. John feels pure dogmatism with an agenda. The fact that it is so different from the other 3 sheds unnecessary doubt on all of it.
I think he should have mentioned Philo's treatment of the number six. Certainly Revelation treats six as evil but I'm not convinced the whole Bible does that and I suspect some of the authors of the new testament had read Philo.
Also the analogy to Bach doesn't work well. Bach's music does of course always end on a consonant chord but it doesn't have clearly established zones of "tension" that require some sort of explicit "resolution"; this terminology is generally applied to sonata form (such as by Charles Rosen), the dominant form of most of the composers following Bach until the 20th century.
153 = god, man, eternity?
This is great and love the explanation of the final sign but I mean... 153 = infinity is nice but... why not any other number? How about this idea: 153 is the order of God's manifestations to humanity... 1= God's number / God the father; 5 = Human number / God the man 3 = Spiritual realm / God the spirit... first there was Yahweh leading the Israelites, then he sent Jesus, then Jesus was sacrificed & resurrected giving us access to the Spirit. Still fits with the rest of the analysis... God is infinite, yes, but also, God & His various manifestations / means of providing for us is enough "spiritual food" to feed all of humanity.
This guy needs to sell t-shirts with the slogan ...
"Now ... "
Michael is still perfect! NOW and always
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153 . . . God + Man + Heaven ?
Sharing Divnity of One God in man; this unity with the whole man as man; saved by the Triune God.
Or
One God revealed His secret to
Humanity and the deepest secret is He is Triune. He who knows this must die like a fish, and pass from his habitant to where he knows not i.e. where Jesus is waiting.
1 God 5 Man 3 The divine number
it’s 3 numbers.
something to do with the man and god coming together, bringing the fish to shore. I don’t know.
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153 fish. "Fishers of men". I guess it would be unity of man and divine - or maybe that the one (Jesus) is man and divine
Tell us Dr. Sugrue… how much caffeine and how many stimulants did it require to establish such a forceful delivery???
I also suppose perhaps none, there are those that vibe so high that there’s nothing to do but tone it down.
Don't be any denser than you need to. No, I was not on meth or cocaine or Adderall or any other narcotics (legal or illegal) and the question implies a weak misunderstanding of what I do. Read Chuang Tzu's parable about the Emperor and the Cook. When I am teaching I am thinking out loud, being myself, only moreso. Simultaneously, all my lectures are all extemporaneous. They require that I empty myself to focus and become transparent. Only getting into "the zone" via an extended period of silence and reflection before lecturing allows me to be myself only less so. The goal is to become a human superconductor of the Holy Spirit, all flow, no impedance.
I think you're brilliant Dr. Sugrue. It was an energetic and delightful lecture. I think you demonstrate love and passion for teaching and the subject matter. That's how you come across in your presentations - and I have now seen quite a few. You're always consistent. It's wonderful to watch and there are lots of people like me that appreciate your work. Thank you very much and God bless you Michael.
The Professor's deep respect for this non-synoptic Gospel- I greatly esteem. However, devoting the entire lecture to "number magic" and hidden meanings was sad for me. For this most poetic gospel that contains far too many "classic" lines, including "For God so loved the world"( those words are only in This gospel) and the Great chapter 17, consisting entirely of Jesus' personal prayer to God..I happen to dislike "You can only understand the hidden meanings with higher education"--this time in the Bible, but I believe we've scared several generations in the US away from poetry, because too.many think, in order to "get" the poem, they have to "decode it." This is a LONG way from the average Athenian of the 5th Century BC being able to easily quote Sophocles. It is impossible to explain beauty using logic
I figured 153 was God-Humans-Celestial or rather Father-Son-Holy Spirit, those three digits also being a celestial amount of numbers, all combined into an eternal, spiritual unity. Probably an oversimplification lol
I agree John with your comments and provided my own analysis at the top of the page. Best wishes
153 great fish is to teach the Greeks (and everyone else) who seeks wisdom that Jesus contains the fullness of human wisdom. Archimedes' value of pi consists the number 153 many times. However, Jesus had already cooked some fish when they had caught the 153 fishes. it is to show Jesus' wisdom is even beyond the human wisdom. :) In this time of pandemic, we really need this wisdom of Jesus because the variant of the Covid is changing faster than the vaccines we can develop.
To add: 1John2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
It's the three major temptation in the world and Jesus was tempted of this triad.
You might want to stop eating dog food
That is a Rolls Royce brain on display.
Gods statement to Moses, "I am" means "I am all things" as opposed to Jesus's "I am" statements that are quite focused, specific and directly related to a pathway aka the way, the truth and the life. And so it seems to me that Jesus is a life guide who leads us to become more 'I am' in this life.
Jesus's message seems to be that we focus on specific things in order to transform ourselves into those worthy of the kingdom of God in the afterlife but more practically speaking to transform ourselves into more 'godlike' beings.
As Jesus is quoted in the bible, "You shall do all this and more".
Is this not a reference to becoming godlike especially since Jesus himself is seen, in many respects, as a god?
And if we are capable of doing more than Jesus himself then havent we advanced into a godlike state?
This line of reasoning contains no elements of blasphemy for if we analyze the concept of human souls evolving into the ranks of "I am" then this can only mean that we are 100% in harmony with God and not capable of placing ourselves above God in any way since doing so would be in conflict and in contradiction to being in the state of 'I am'. You would literally become something else and no longer be godlike.
Jesus was a janitor when cleansing was required.
One 5 three of You know God then He will tell you the beauty of 153 it is 9 *17 or 17 *3*3 nine being rapture and 17 being the number that represents Christ too much to explain here but beyond the symbolism of the numbers it’s Also Passover or the Passover more specifically if your interested comment and I can explain more. I hope this guy is saved. He seems like he is or will be
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"Magic" is the wrong word. That connotes occultism and witchcraft.
He says "Now.." like he's some kind of supervillain unfurling the next step in his elaborate scheme but his scheme is just to educate my dumb ass.
23:28 *cough**cough*
The same old Chosen People. Not my choice.
Your comment smacks of anti-Semitism.
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