The Bible and Western Culture - Part 1 - The Pauline Tradition
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These lectures are life changing!
How?
@@hanskung3278 are you resentful or something?
@@ds6427 Not this morning but I am curious.
@@hanskung3278 I don't think your how was asked out of curiosity. It was more like a statement about what you believe, and I'm not going to entertain that, because you're probably going to just rant all your biased opinions out and you won't change your mind anyway. Why don't you think about, how I came to the conclusion that these lectures are life changing, and draw your own opinions.
@@ds6427 I think you are reading to much into a simple question, How?
0:21 The Apostle Paul
2:37 Paul had a strong religious background
3:05 A Spiritual Journey
3:46 _An Overwhelming Blindness_
4:37 Epiphanies, 180 degree turnaround. Re-Representing, Devotion.
5:49 3 Missionary Journeys
8:47 Taken back to Rome and Executed
*Rome’s Viewpoint*
10:10 It’s another Mystery Cult, rabblerousing
11:05 Eschatology
14:55 The Romans believed that Christians were cannibals
*The Size of Christianity*
16:54 Year 100 - a “despised misunderstood tiny minority”
17:27 Year 384 - 12-14% of Rome
*Epistles of Paul*
18:09
19:11 Establishing The Christian Church
A great scholar, a modern philosopher who were born to teach, thank you Dr. !
Just outstanding. Thank you Professor Sugrue.
I’ve watched this 7 times, his delivery and content is phenomenal…, this lecture is all music and no noise.
Agreed. Sugrue is the closest thing to Meister Eckhart than anyone has ever been.
I want a coffee mug that simply says "Now...".
Lmao. You know that sentence is gonna hit just like that first sip feeling
🤣🤣🤣🤣exactly!
24:27 *Christian spirit of the law*
“[O]ne of the things that separates Christianity from Judaism (and also from Islam later on strangely enough) is that Christianity is essentially not a legalistic religion. There is some degree of continuity with the law of Moses, but what we find out in the Christian message is that, _the spirit giveth life but the letter of the law killeth._ And what Paul is doing here is saying that, _look we must move away from the letter of the Mosaic law and try and fulfill the spirit of it-if you fulfill the spirit of the law then you can consider yourself a Christian._ In doing this he makes Christianity *far* more accessible to the people’s of the Mediterranean basin than it could possibly have been otherwise. And that means that for that reason Paul is the single most important figure in getting this from being a small Jewish heresy to a great world religion. After Jesus himself Paul is the most important figure here-he is interpreting the connection between Jesus’ message and the Jewish tradition in such a way as to make it accessible to vast numbers of people who come from a plurality of religious traditions.”
Although the Roman Catholic Church was established after the Roman Empire which shows a great amount of evolution becoming an organized power which had a military to enforce their authority but coming from a world of lawlessness they must've been hard on those they ruled because people didn't respect anything else but the rod of power being evil to their enemies is for love of their own in my opinion but these peasants having no power being forced into servitude shows how much the generation's had suffered from the power who put Jesus to death they had to change their reputation and the relationship between the rich and the poor by putting people to the test of obedience through the church which had become a central power but instead of Emperor's they crowned King's the Senator's becoming aristocracy in my opinion they created a separation of power's plus added a middle class being the nobility lessening the peasantry within the cities to begin a rural people who weren't under the impressions other's had been in the city till Christianity makes it's presence rivaling Catholics although they've learned from the Catholics they had to make a difference between the two but from 1 spirit they evolved into nations (language and culture) under God adapted to the word of God rather than fall into a vagabond in the cities from rural areas they caught onto the testing of the spirit although it seemed cruel they had to make it a trend to find a true lover of christ who then would become a man like Christ in spirit and would perform miracles for his own people as Jesus helped those he came across and taught the word of God. It's the process humanity has taken on those who had been without form as the language is formed by letters to create a word and gives life to a person, place or thing as God extended for man to have rule over the world and name everything in it. I might sound like a know it all saying so while whoever reads this could have some use for it or you could already have known it just seemed like you could understand what I'm saying as many people wouldn't have but get offended as if I'm trying to educate them and I'm just saying in detail because everything in function has detail people just get exhausted easily and would rather accept a short and sweet tickling of the ears being complicated is too much these day's as Jesus was a complicated man to understand.
Along with Alan and Leo the best lecturer I ever listened to, a product of the waning glory years of chicago. The fact that he was not given tenure at Princeton is an abomination.
Dad said he never had a career and he never came up for tenure at Princeton or anywhere else.
Watts and Tolstoy?
Who are Alan and Leo? Links please. 🙏
@@galo2099 Given the original comment's mention of Chicago, I believe they are referring to Leo Strauss, a classical political philosopher educated there (more on him here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss), and Allan Bloom (editing in his wikipedia as well as I just realized I forgot to link it earlier: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom) , despite him being a 2 L's Al(l)an, another classicist and philosopher who studied under Strauss among others and taught at Chicago during his career. Bloom also authored "The Closing of the American Mind", which was quite a sensation at the time, enough that I had heard of it before looking it up although it was far before my time.
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Thank you for the lectures dear professor. Legend 🌹
I continually come back again and again to Dr Sugrue's Biblical lectures and lectures on Christianity in the Western Tradition. These lectures truly are sublime in their affectation on me.
I am watching every last one of the GREAT doctor's lectures, thank you so much
Wonderful lecture
Thank ypu Dr Sergue for all ypur knowledge. May you rest in peace
Thank you for such a wonderful, inspiring story of St. Augustine. ❤️✝️
Professor Sugrue, this is a gift. Many thanks :)
My breadth was held till the very last word, then released with more appreciation about human history.
Peace be with you brother! 🙏🙏
Absolutely amazing and energizing! Thank you so much for this!
You are the best teacher! Your teaching method , simple speaking and knowledge, perfect 👌
Fantastic lecture.
Thank you for these great lectures
Fantastic Lecture As always.
Thank you Dr Sugrue, your lectures are unmatched. Looking forward to hearing Part 2. Also, I'm looking for your lecture on Parmenides which is nowhere to be found on TH-cam anymore. It's probably the best piece of material I have ever found on Plato's Parmenides, and I enjoy very much listening to it again from time to time. Could you be kind enough to upload it on your channel ?
Bump
This man is my favorite. 💯🙌🏼
Thank you for the amazing lecture
Thank You!
Dear Prof. Sugrue. I find your philosophical and theological lectures very informative. Paul is the central and most influential figure of christianity though he never met Jesus in live. I would appreciate and suggest that you would debate with Rabbi Tovia Singer about Paul and the question if and how Jesus was the prophetized messiah in the Old testament.
More please 🙏🤓
I'm always looking for new interesting lectures on Psychology/Philosophy, please let me know if you guys have any recommendations, would be highly appreciated
The black suit appears oversized but the exposition is perfect. Thank you
That was the fashion back then. It wasn't filmed yesterday.
I think it fits perfectly. I like that a little better than the micro suits popularized by Joseph Gordon Levitt
Gotta say, I don’t mean to get sidetracked, but you’re looking damn clean in that black suit! I usually only see your lectures with your beige blazer and fr, you’re stylin up there lol!
The question is... will we ever see the part 2’s to the videos on your channel! I for one am hopeful.
Yet to be determined
@@dr.michaelsugrue part two for Christmas? That would be fitting!
Title says Part 1, the actual video says Part 2. Hard to know which one is the mistake.
Another treasure
Wait. The text TH-cam title sez "part 1" the video sez "part II"
Douay-Rheimes Bible... A man of culture I see
Part II, Lecture 9
What type of coffee does the Professor prefer?
I’d say he’s a folgers man XD
Another good lecture. I think there is a clear parallel of St Paul going to Rome to die and Christ coming to Earth to die.
If you think that's what he actually did.
@@pipster1891 what would be a better hypothesis
The funny thing is I don't believe in the establishment of religion and neither do the religious.
I like that in all your lectures you can tell the story unbiased, and dont have to state the obvious like at 16:48 in this video. Only in 2021 would the cult of wokeism attribute your educating on historical facts inherently make you believe and internalize those values as if they were your own.
Wokeism? Invented by fascists to try to get rid of things they don't like.
I don't know why but that fake brickwork and vine out the window makes me laugh every time. The lecture's pretty good too, haha.
1. Rome become a new Babylon
2. Paul said: people is into sinful to accept baptism
3. Hope is conection between faith and love... Paul combined
Grateful ❤
late to the party but still great!
Title says Part One, video says Part Two.
I'm enjoying these lectures but why are they all part 1 lol
This video is mis-titled. It should be "The Bible and Western Culture - Part 2 - The Pauline Tradition", not "The Bible and Western Culture - Part 1 - The Pauline Tradition".
I have to take a different view in slavery and Christianity. From very early in Christian history there was a large organized well financed elite located in Rome. There was no antislavery position. The church was political to its roots and was very supportive of serfdom, holding indentured servants In basically slavery. In the meeting by the clergy in Nicea the invitation requested that the members were advised against bringing more than two servants. The church backed the divine right of kings, something Rome would have been much in favor of. I am not a religious scholar by any stretch but I can't think of any religion prior to protestantism that was opposed to slavery .
You keep saying the people at this time didn’t have the gospels. Just because they weren’t written into four books doesn’t mean the stories weren’t commonly known.
He never mentions Friedman, which is strange albeit refreshing.
Richard?
Remarkable lecture by Mr. Sugure. My Questions are ---- What would it be like if the Roman Emperors never conquered Galilee, nor Judea; Was the Romanization of Mythopoeia at this time a kind of brittle Cynicism/Stoicism; Why was Christ Jesus 'gadlfyized' by his Radical Perfection as a Profoundly Empathic Man, and his Platonic Perfection; and the nature of Christian belief as a gateway to hedonistic calculus necessary to feast upon the fruits of the abstracta within the Platonic Realm upon the Afterlife of Jesus's Return to Humankind to sanctify the fruits of Empathic Perfection as a Pragmatic utility for conquering humanity into a preternatural and Perfectoid Utopia of Perfect Sanctity, and finally, the Ethereality of the Gospels as a Means of Cleansing the Human Mindscape with the Potentialty in a Psychonic-Calculus sense to Kinetically guide the Mindscape into the Ethereal and Eternal Platonic Realm of Christified Embodied Utopian Paradise.
Why didn't I think of that?
Let me ponder.
The possibilities are endless "tianac" BUT then your possibilities defy the plan of God. He is in control, not us.
"[i]t would still be rather fishy" said about cannibalism...love it :D
I would have joined the Apostles had I been promised: Wine, Women and Song.
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This guy… 🤔🤯😎
I disagree about the myth of Er. I believe it is the key to the text in that it creates the affordances necessary for enacting virtue as described in the text: awareness of choice in spite of our tendency to forget. Apperception.
Very interesting. Can you elaborate a little more
@@Verulam1626 We must choose and then forget our choice. Over and over within our own lifetimes, no reincarnation necessary. We find ourselves making the same mistakes, even watching ourselves do it. The only hope is to move up in our knowledge and orient our lives, habits, choices accordingly.
@@mills8102 I see. Yes. Continence. Also Aristotle's understanding of Hexis and Phronesis.
@@mills8102 relates a lot to the debate as to whether good works precede or proceed from faith, or both
@@Verulam1626 I have not read Aristotle. I think I ought to after looking up these terms.
Christianity was a heretical sect of Judaism, based on the cult of Jesus, but it became universal because of the efforts of Paul and the entry of the Gentile Christians.
Where did it all go wrong?
this man is just amazing. i am trying to learn all his lectures. i am having problems with most of the ones on the bible history characters, though. it is hard to get past the extreme mental illness of most of these religious figures and i get so impatient with them. even though i understand their importance in history and in how people think
Wait a minute ..... Paul just happened to be arrested after his third journey? or the subsequent writers/editors/bowdlerizers of the texts think it was symbolic to make it the third journey? Fishy, to say the least (as all these religious books, these "divinely inspired" messages are).
Did you everever do Muhammad?
12:31
Jesus is Lord! Praise God!
Says you.
@@pipster1891 yep I did say that. Good job Pipster. You get an A+ for paying attention
Jesus was manufactured to the position of God by men, none of whom are more culpable of this than Paul.
"Christianity is the religion of Paul, not of Jesus". - Thomas Jefferson, who called Paul the first great corruptor of Jesus's true doctrines
@@nanashi7779no evidence of paul convert to Christianity in 33 AD three years after Resurrection so he was persecute Christians after he is converted he took tradition of apostles in so he didn't invented anything and he meet disciples
Do you suppose people desire emancipation?
Very few. It is easier to be a slave and pretend that one is not, than to do the work of self-emancipation.
@@markfisher6404 and it is most appropriate to know that one is a slave and to openly acknowledge it
“The Christian message, which started as a heretical sect of Christianity…” 🤯
You're right my friend. It started as a Jewish heresy. Bullseye. Roll another.
Are you being naughty Dr Sugrue? Your comment made me laugh. Nothing stirs the pot more than theological (for use of a better word) differences. For me, I'm going to focus on Jesus and his message and the hope of daily redemption.
Judaism was never missionary. On the contrary. Paul is a missionary par excellence, whatever his reasons - he succeeded.
Eating the flesh of God, huh? Yeah...
His body? like fruiting body?
_And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it._
A great mystery indeed!
Eucharist is not that hard to understand i recommend this video th-cam.com/users/liveo1-Fjs2MzrE?si=__MWGW180CU17m97. You can read early father's about Eucharist
Oi, this guy... Does he have a photographic memory or what?
To me it seems like passion for what he's talking about. Kinda like when you're talking about a hobby of yours you can ramble on forever. Except this guy knows his sh**
@@markr4619 he approaches the elucidation of any topic with the same direct and passionate tone… sort of an omniscience in his tone but he seems humble
Of course the Christians considered Jesus the Son of God and not Ceasar. They did Jesus us Lord and not Ceasar. This was politically subversive.
So basically, christianity is to Judaism what Mormonism is to Christianity 😂
No, its what Judaism is to Akhenaten's solar cult
I do not believe the story about Paul "conversion" to Jesus lover. What is certain is that he was a very good "salesman". Judaism appeared to him as an esoteric in his travels, becoming an internationalist. That is not to minimize his importance. This is an attempt to understand his intense conversion and his drive to convert other people.
Saul = Paul........? I am thoroughly confused with this lecture, first it sounds like from the passionate almost fanatical description of Paul that Mr. Sugrue is not a historical scholar but is acting more like 'his' (Paul's) disciple? This lecture does not impress me as being an 'objective' description of early christianity and Paul's involvement but more like an attempt to lure in more converts? Why are we calling this guy an apostle? That is not historically accurate, the guy was not even alive when 'the fictional figure jesus' was supposed to exist? The entire history of early christian-dome is nothing more than layer upon layer of nonsense in a desperate attempt to legitimize a religion; there is no connection between Jews and Christianity, none whatsoever. Jews do not want to be connected to christianity, it is christians that want to be connected to Jews in order to legitimize their belief system. If you just want to turn this entire lecture into a preaching session rather than an objective research of history and facts, well fine, but I am not interested.
May the spirit of the truth find you and fill your heart
@@FloMj BLIOUA..............AMEN!
Paul is not a disciple of Jesus, his religion is not the religion of Jesus.
What are you talking about bro
Hi Lee Barry. What would you know? Your statement is illogical and demonstrates your ignorance of the New Testament. Go back to school please!
@@user-gl9jd3ih8h There are some differences between what Jesus taught and what Paul taught. Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew who mainly preached, in the synoptics at least, getting right with God before the end times and to repent. Paul taught faith was what you needed for salvation though Jesus.
@@jonfromtheuk467 you're missing the point. Paul was a disciple of Jesus. There is only one religion. Jesus Christ. It's faith AND good works that bring salvation. Jesus spoke about repentance. Jesus was not an "apocalyptic" Messiah. He died for our sins so we could have eternal life.
@@user-gl9jd3ih8h wrong on a few fronts - 1) Paul was never a disciple of Jesus. He never met him in the flesh. The terms disciple and apostle mean two different things 2) there are in fact many, many religions , perhaps you missed out the word "true" but thats just your assertion. 3) You obviously have your bible goggles on, most biblical scholars , most of whom are Christian, would agree with me that he was an apocalyptic Rabbi..... you even said it yourself people according to Jesus, 'needed to repent' but why? Because he preached the Gods Kingdom was about to happen and to get yourself right with God. i,e. an apocalyptic Jew! I dont think he died for our sins and I think vicarious redemption is a an immoral concept anyhow as it denies justice.