I’ve been absolutely stomping people with Asuka recently. I don’t get why people say she is weak. it’s become more common for characters to have close to NO weaknesses, and then when some more balanced characters that are strong in their own way, also have some more obvious weaknesses (how it SHOULD be), they are just branded as a “weak character” overall
Bro I legit just lose to Devil Jin players using B3 to get out of offense, uf1 to close in or whiff punish and using DB1+2 for oki and that's it. Devil Jin is NOT weak. He might be the most nerfed character throughout Tekken 8 but he is still not at all anywhere close to being weak. Just goes to show how overtuned he actually must've been at the start of the game.
The strongest thing Devil Jin has is his db1+2 block stun at the wall, aside from that he has shit pokes and neutral (df1 has horrid range and has bad frames on block, demon paw leaves the opponent right in front of him on block at -9), risky and overall bad lows(db2 is very slow, d3 has bad range, and hellsweep is very risky with him only getting low parry damage from it or having to sacrifice that little damage for oki), very bad 50/50 material (lost his wraith kick vortex and is forced to mix up with ws2 and hellsweep, both of which are punishable), and his heat isn’t that great either outside of extra combo damage. He’s overall very risky and unsafe for little reward, he struggles to keep up with the rest of cast and is pretty weak in comparison to everyone else
@@SnowflakeSSQ Just because you can't play DVJ doesn't mean he's strong..., B3 is a VERY bad move, and -18. All of is move are sidesteppable, negative in guard, bad homing, bad low, bad mid..... I can go on for hours like this to prove to you that the character is bad.
This was my first fighting game, and from the beginning i could tell the direction T8 wanted to go. I chose steve as my main and whenever he did his strings he was forced into LNH. Sure it was bad and he got 'buffed' but the Tekken philosophy was clear: press buttons to go into 50/50's. I made it all the way to Tekken King but fundamentally the game feels the same as when i was in red ranks.. The game doesn't only need nerfs it needs fundamental changes that will never happen I think. Is what is is man
It's funny that the way they built this game is supposed to cater to people like you, who are just starting out. Yet even people like you can see that the game is very flawed in these aspects. That's why I'm saying the only reason tekken 8 got hyped so much was because of the marketing period and the graphical upgrades. The gameplay itself is a downgrade.
@@danotoo96I also joined in T8 and as I learned more and more about this game, I just asked myself "Is this really even something you can be good at?" because of the stupid stuff I found on EVERY character during my learning process.
@@danotoo96 You know if you want to simplify Tekken to new players this is what they should have done: Make highs look like highs and not mids. Make mids look like mids and not highs etc. Try and make combo's a bit more consistent and not needing to learn variations for female characters or bears. Be able to save custom punishment for each character so that you don't have to record them each time. Do those things and beginners have a much easier time, instead they dumbed down the game and gave us 50/50's that make beginners sometimes win against better players. Such a waste
@@DelicateSteveFox Its very rarely that I'm not sure if a move my opponent uses is a high mid or low, so personally I dont think thats a huge issue. But yeah I think they did like 10 different things to make the game easier for new players when 2-3 of them would be enough. Simply making the tornado animation so much longer than T7 screw, and attack recovery on hit faster, combos are already so much easier, and combos are definitely one of the first things a beginner is going to look at, I know i did. Everything involving heat was just unnecessary imo. This thing is just broken moves, forced 50/50s, 2nd bound for your combos and a 1 button nuke. As if anyone asked for any of that. All it does is look "flashy" which is still a matter of opinion if its good looking or not
Raven…… I have special plans for him… he’s too nerfed and his heat gives him no advantage, however , he has some things to make up for all of that. He’s definitely a dark horse .
@@SnowflakeSSQ yup, her stances and heat are the gambles. But most Lidia's I've come across in quick match and ranks don't really utilize her stances it's mainly her ff2 and heat, her heat annoys me the most the last hit is it going to be high or mid 🤣 8 times out of 10 I always guess wrong 🤣
@@v-jinzo-v Lidia players never learned the character, hopped on and did shit. The best part about her Heaven and Earth mixup is that even if you guess right and call out the mid and don't duck, she gets to be +6 in your face. And that same move from Heaven and Earth WALLSPLATS AND KNOCKS DOWN! Obnoxious.
@SnowflakeSSQ hahaha a year later I still don't know a damn thing about frames, I just jump on practice and learn the punishments that way 🤣. But yea I know what you mean I do the same though at first I'll jump in and play if I like the character I'll practice them. It took me a year to decide I wanna main raven so this year I'm gonna try my best to rank up. Slow and steady though
I agree with this statement, just because a character might be one of the weakest in the game it doesn't mean that they're a complete 0. The weakest Tekken 8 characters are way stronger than the weakest characters in previous Tekken games.
I think Buffs are more interesting when they increase Utility over Power. Some cool Buffs for Lee and Raven I advocate for is allowing them to actually Sidestep from their dedicated Stances. Hitman has a Hitman Sidestep but it's peepee. It doesn't work. It'll Evade exactly like 3% of Moves during his Advantage. Likewise, Raven has a Sidestep from Backturned where he stays Backturned instead of turning around, make that actually Evade Attacks instead of letting your Opponent attain your Flank for free because it has the same problem as Lee's where it'll literally never help you. Those are the Buffs I would like to see rather than Lars Dynamic Entry Mid Homing Low Evading +8 Über Mid Buffs. Buffs to Character-Specific Attributes would make lines of play deeper and more varied rather than: "This Move is +8 now so your Opponent literally can't do anything 🗿👍Hope you liked the Buff!"
Nah, At high level play whom ever has to take more risks, has harder execution and have more negative frame moves witl LOSE!!! If they were all equal...ALL characters would be used in tourneys. ALL would have win cycles.
Nah his frames are shit he dies to players like Drag, Nina, Law, Jin that can just overwhelm him. The Raven player has to be a mind reader and take huge risks or else he will just be whittled down til he dies
I agree he doesn’t need huge buffs though just some changes like being able to block out of stance, no forced stance transition moves and not be minus on everything or some better moves
People put way too much value into tier lists. There is no bad character, the games issue is that the top 10 are overtuned, with some slight tweaks it would level out the playing field a bit more, but at the end of the day it comes down to the player. Like devil Jin for example, is he the strongest character? No, but he’s far from being bad. No character with an electric and a hellsweep will ever be bad, especially a hell sweep that you can combo off of, and his charge move that guard breaks is easily one of the best if not the best move in the game. If you mix up your timing it’s pretty much a guaranteed combo at the wall. Play the character that speaks to you, that you enjoy and get good at the game.
i also think both lidia and raven would benefit from a side step cancel option out of their stances; heihachi and xiaoyu can do that in tekken7. its like Bamco hates defense now
@@ruikiri it’s honestly kind of unbalanced; her DF2 is minus -8 so it theoretically shouldn’t even be punishable, but because she winds up trapped in the recovery animation she becomes punishable, so in a way it becomes false frame data. So stupid; then people wonder why tekken is hard to learn when the frame data isn’t even consistent. I’ve noticed that she can cancel her stance if you hold back input, but it’s still doesn’t work every time consistently, because I tried this against kazuya and he was still able to punish. They need to just give her the ability to side step cancel like Tekken 7 heihachi was able to; sadly not even heihachi can do that anymore:(
i think for the most part when people talk about chars being bad in this game those chars tend to have to commit to things more than the better chars. i play raven and i think he's actually pretty good but i know when i play him i know i will have to commit to things if i want to play the game which is fine to me but the chars that don't probably should have to do some of that too lol
and that is how every character should play. so, its not about them, its about the God characters in the game that pressure you to death without committing as much
I want them to allow power crush to heat smash and nerf some powercrush. Some powercrushes are to effective with characters like panda, kuma, nina, victor, king, Paul etc
When I try to spell out Lidia's weaknesses people say I downplay her, just cause she has more weaknesses than most of the roster it doesn't make her bad. Peroanally, I would like nerfs to the top tiers to make them easier to deal with. No need to buff low tiers, they are balanced, any major buff to them will actually break them.
Raven just needs tons of patience as a raven main, he's good. Not as good as Maven and not as great as his tekken tag two version but I believe he needs more moves and moves especially on sidestep. I side step up 3+4 although it's not his exact ss 3+4 from ttt2. Raven is awesome. I think the more I play him I can't see a raven just be played super aggressively. I think he's more like Zafina in the fact you need to play defensive. Maybe I'm wrong. But I understand after playing Zafina and Azucena to slow down and learn to actually block and defend that it's something quite smooth.
I would definitely be happy with a patch that is only nerfs for the top 10ish characters, but casual players will start crying that their character didn't get buffed, and Namco is only running this game for the casual player, so, unfortunately, I don't think that will happen.
Bamco listen to this man. Great video 👍 Appreciate you being honest and not downplaying your character as well. I hope you they follow your direction. Hate to say I feel that Bamco is going to double down on stupid and do something like give everyone an install 😅.
As a Lidia Main, i personally want a minor buff in D2 or db4 to make them viable for poking, the heat is that strong because in normal situations Lidia don't have ways to reduce the HP of strong defense players with her lows, if given better lows, nerfs the heat
The ONLY character I would buff (besides making moves behave like they should, basically just aboutany 2 hit wallsplat/punish etc) is Panda, and even then I'd rather see Kuma down on her level than otherwise
Panda is not weak at all, she is just useless cause she is a worse version than Kuma. Its Kuma that needs to be toned down, not Panda that needs to be buffed.
exactly what i think even in tekken 7 there were no weak characters, in this game even less, totaly agree there is MAX 2 tier lists, but for me there are fewer S tiers, they would be yoshimitsu dragunov nina jin feng clive, the rest are all uppet and lower A tiers
I’ve been saying for the longest time that ther are NO weak characters in Tekken 8. The so called weak or mid tier characters almost always make it far in tournaments. People downplay in hopes that their mains will get buffed.
i think a lot of poeples ideas of Weakness, execution, honesty... still come from T7... everybody is basically a bullshit force a 50-50 down your opponents throat as fast as you can and lock his ass down as much as possible in T8..... BUT YES, right now there are outliers that can do that a lot better than the others, like jin, nina, drag, and the yoshi players that will say hes not that strong after telling your plus frames to go F themselves and steal their turn and unleash an unblockable launcher on your ass for a massive damage combo that also heals them
Everyone but Victor & jun but they’re butt cheeks tier :( I had a dream I woke up & saw ancient ogre jinpachi & devil kazumi on the character select screen with unknown & akuma 😔😔😔
i just want bug fixes for steven he has stupid bugs that can just cost you the game ... alb2 near the wall and he faces the wrong direction like wtf...b1 into flicker says -1 is -12 in real.. 2,2 whiffs randomly the first hit (this is ass because its one of his main punishers so sometimes you correctly punish but it decides zo not give it to you...), 1,2,1 ( one of his most important strings) randomly whiffs second hit.
couldnt agree more on that nerf every top tier to the ground so that people realize their true strenght . tierd of those people who think they good or something carried jerks
Bryan and Kazuya players are especially a victim of this syndrome. I also play Kaz but he's just as bullshit as other characters, insane mids but has threatening low heat smash, insane mix up potential, overwhelming oki, extremely strong punishment and has electric on top of this. Same with Bryan, qcb1, also has great heat, amazing counter hits, overwhelming pressure, insane tracking and extremely high damage.
Bryan weak? The same Bryan that can kill you in 1 and a half interactions? I agree he is not God level as said here, but he is anything but weak. He has everything he needs to excell at high level.
she will always be strong as shit for high execution players who can do her cancels. If you have that skill she can be +10 whenever she wants and she is top5 no matter what nerfs you give her.
Exactly. No one hardly plays Nina and she’s “supposedly” OP, so I can imagine that no one will hardly ever touch her if they nerf her. Imo, if a character has high execution or is tough to properly play, they SHOULD be very strong. Why not just pick a braindead character to get similar results instead then?
Kazuya is always popular regardless of his strength, if Nina is remotely popular only if she's S tier then she doesn't even deserve to be in the game at all
As a Raven player, stop buffing characters, bro. Just nerf stupid ass characters. Jin changes in tekken 8, shouldn't be a thing. And Yoshimitsu's dmg shouldn't be that high. Buffing characters in tekken 8 makes no sense
@_mass_477 Of course you don't need them because they already kick your ass too much, right?? If they buff him they would kick your ass so much that you couldn't stand it anymore, so it's better to cry to avoid it, right??
@@amadeoclemente8421 I'm a raven player and I know his insane potential. You however don't know shit about the games and the characters, that's why you keep spouting buff and nerf without thinking lmao
@@_mass_477 I'm also Raven player, FYI. And by the way, what is his "insane potential"?? Find someone who doesn't know the matchup and win with pure knowledge check?? I know how to do that too, but once the knowledge checks and mixups don't work, what's left for Raven? I love playing Raven, but saying it doesn't need buffs is crazy. Maybe you should remember that one of Raven's main assets is that he is one of the least used characters, I say this in case you have forgotten
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@@ACloudWithoutAir lol
I’ve been absolutely stomping people with Asuka recently. I don’t get why people say she is weak. it’s become more common for characters to have close to NO weaknesses, and then when some more balanced characters that are strong in their own way, also have some more obvious weaknesses (how it SHOULD be), they are just branded as a “weak character” overall
tmm said asuka is super bad, thats the only reason ppl believe this in my opinion
asukas busted in this game; lol
@@premiumr98TMM runs the Tekken community's opinions. There's a reason Bryan and Kaz players think they are better than everyone.
@@SnowflakeSSQ i mean yeah everyone in every rank knows the match up and they are simple and hard to play. tmm is not wrong....
agreed!
sick and tired of people crying about devil jin being weak when he got amongst the best moves in tekken history LOL
Bro I legit just lose to Devil Jin players using B3 to get out of offense, uf1 to close in or whiff punish and using DB1+2 for oki and that's it. Devil Jin is NOT weak. He might be the most nerfed character throughout Tekken 8 but he is still not at all anywhere close to being weak. Just goes to show how overtuned he actually must've been at the start of the game.
@@tiger-rgn Imagine losing to a bottom 2 character
yeah devil jin is very interesting in tekken 8
The strongest thing Devil Jin has is his db1+2 block stun at the wall, aside from that he has shit pokes and neutral (df1 has horrid range and has bad frames on block, demon paw leaves the opponent right in front of him on block at -9), risky and overall bad lows(db2 is very slow, d3 has bad range, and hellsweep is very risky with him only getting low parry damage from it or having to sacrifice that little damage for oki), very bad 50/50 material (lost his wraith kick vortex and is forced to mix up with ws2 and hellsweep, both of which are punishable), and his heat isn’t that great either outside of extra combo damage.
He’s overall very risky and unsafe for little reward, he struggles to keep up with the rest of cast and is pretty weak in comparison to everyone else
@@SnowflakeSSQ Just because you can't play DVJ doesn't mean he's strong..., B3 is a VERY bad move, and -18. All of is move are sidesteppable, negative in guard, bad homing, bad low, bad mid..... I can go on for hours like this to prove to you that the character is bad.
This was my first fighting game, and from the beginning i could tell the direction T8 wanted to go. I chose steve as my main and whenever he did his strings he was forced into LNH. Sure it was bad and he got 'buffed' but the Tekken philosophy was clear: press buttons to go into 50/50's. I made it all the way to Tekken King but fundamentally the game feels the same as when i was in red ranks..
The game doesn't only need nerfs it needs fundamental changes that will never happen I think. Is what is is man
It's funny that the way they built this game is supposed to cater to people like you, who are just starting out. Yet even people like you can see that the game is very flawed in these aspects. That's why I'm saying the only reason tekken 8 got hyped so much was because of the marketing period and the graphical upgrades. The gameplay itself is a downgrade.
@@danotoo96I also joined in T8 and as I learned more and more about this game, I just asked myself "Is this really even something you can be good at?" because of the stupid stuff I found on EVERY character during my learning process.
@@danotoo96 You know if you want to simplify Tekken to new players this is what they should have done:
Make highs look like highs and not mids. Make mids look like mids and not highs etc.
Try and make combo's a bit more consistent and not needing to learn variations for female characters or bears.
Be able to save custom punishment for each character so that you don't have to record them each time.
Do those things and beginners have a much easier time, instead they dumbed down the game and gave us 50/50's that make beginners sometimes win against better players. Such a waste
@@DelicateSteveFox Its very rarely that I'm not sure if a move my opponent uses is a high mid or low, so personally I dont think thats a huge issue. But yeah I think they did like 10 different things to make the game easier for new players when 2-3 of them would be enough. Simply making the tornado animation so much longer than T7 screw, and attack recovery on hit faster, combos are already so much easier, and combos are definitely one of the first things a beginner is going to look at, I know i did.
Everything involving heat was just unnecessary imo. This thing is just broken moves, forced 50/50s, 2nd bound for your combos and a 1 button nuke. As if anyone asked for any of that. All it does is look "flashy" which is still a matter of opinion if its good looking or not
lets hope it will change
Raven…… I have special plans for him… he’s too nerfed and his heat gives him no advantage, however , he has some things to make up for all of that. He’s definitely a dark horse .
yes!
I'm starting to think it's a meme or tiktok tend to say Lidia is a bad. Because i don't understand how anybody can say she's bad.
She's mid imo crazy pressure if used right, easily pressured if they can't apply their pressure first lol
True. So overwhelming to deal with. Just super casino guessing and she has female character movement.
@@SnowflakeSSQ yup, her stances and heat are the gambles. But most Lidia's I've come across in quick match and ranks don't really utilize her stances it's mainly her ff2 and heat, her heat annoys me the most the last hit is it going to be high or mid 🤣 8 times out of 10 I always guess wrong 🤣
@@v-jinzo-v Lidia players never learned the character, hopped on and did shit. The best part about her Heaven and Earth mixup is that even if you guess right and call out the mid and don't duck, she gets to be +6 in your face. And that same move from Heaven and Earth WALLSPLATS AND KNOCKS DOWN! Obnoxious.
@SnowflakeSSQ hahaha a year later I still don't know a damn thing about frames, I just jump on practice and learn the punishments that way 🤣. But yea I know what you mean I do the same though at first I'll jump in and play if I like the character I'll practice them. It took me a year to decide I wanna main raven so this year I'm gonna try my best to rank up. Slow and steady though
You're right. There are no weak characters in Tekken 8... just characters I do not like.
exactly
Haven't even watched the video yet, but whole-heartedly agree with this title
I agree with this statement, just because a character might be one of the weakest in the game it doesn't mean that they're a complete 0. The weakest Tekken 8 characters are way stronger than the weakest characters in previous Tekken games.
exactly
and people still ask for their characters to be buffed
i hope we will only see nerfs
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I think Buffs are more interesting when they increase Utility over Power. Some cool Buffs for Lee and Raven I advocate for is allowing them to actually Sidestep from their dedicated Stances. Hitman has a Hitman Sidestep but it's peepee. It doesn't work. It'll Evade exactly like 3% of Moves during his Advantage. Likewise, Raven has a Sidestep from Backturned where he stays Backturned instead of turning around, make that actually Evade Attacks instead of letting your Opponent attain your Flank for free because it has the same problem as Lee's where it'll literally never help you. Those are the Buffs I would like to see rather than Lars Dynamic Entry Mid Homing Low Evading +8 Über Mid Buffs.
Buffs to Character-Specific Attributes would make lines of play deeper and more varied rather than: "This Move is +8 now so your Opponent literally can't do anything 🗿👍Hope you liked the Buff!"
if they are not game breaking, why not
Raven doesnt need significant buffs. Hes great if used correctly as he is
absolutely
You're both fools
Nah, At high level play whom ever has to take more risks, has harder execution and have more negative frame moves witl LOSE!!! If they were all equal...ALL characters would be used in tourneys. ALL would have win cycles.
Nah his frames are shit he dies to players like Drag, Nina, Law, Jin that can just overwhelm him. The Raven player has to be a mind reader and take huge risks or else he will just be whittled down til he dies
I agree he doesn’t need huge buffs though just some changes like being able to block out of stance, no forced stance transition moves and not be minus on everything or some better moves
People put way too much value into tier lists. There is no bad character, the games issue is that the top 10 are overtuned, with some slight tweaks it would level out the playing field a bit more, but at the end of the day it comes down to the player. Like devil Jin for example, is he the strongest character? No, but he’s far from being bad. No character with an electric and a hellsweep will ever be bad, especially a hell sweep that you can combo off of, and his charge move that guard breaks is easily one of the best if not the best move in the game. If you mix up your timing it’s pretty much a guaranteed combo at the wall. Play the character that speaks to you, that you enjoy and get good at the game.
agreed!
my bruh here spittin just mere FACTS
i also think both lidia and raven would benefit from a side step cancel option out of their stances; heihachi and xiaoyu can do that in tekken7. its like Bamco hates defense now
they dont have that cause namco pushes for them to have forced 50 50
@@blackheart59_ yeah; it’s sad that the game is becoming so basic. Half the roster plays the same it feels like sometimes
this would be great for lidia because she is always unsafe and can be hit/canceled if someone blocks your stance attacks, even small stuff like df2
@@ruikiri it’s honestly kind of unbalanced; her DF2 is minus -8 so it theoretically shouldn’t even be punishable, but because she winds up trapped in the recovery animation she becomes punishable, so in a way it becomes false frame data. So stupid; then people wonder why tekken is hard to learn when the frame data isn’t even consistent. I’ve noticed that she can cancel her stance if you hold back input, but it’s still doesn’t work every time consistently, because I tried this against kazuya and he was still able to punish. They need to just give her the ability to side step cancel like Tekken 7 heihachi was able to; sadly not even heihachi can do that anymore:(
i think for the most part when people talk about chars being bad in this game those chars tend to have to commit to things more than the better chars. i play raven and i think he's actually pretty good but i know when i play him i know i will have to commit to things if i want to play the game which is fine to me but the chars that don't probably should have to do some of that too lol
and that is how every character should play. so, its not about them, its about the God characters in the game that pressure you to death without committing as much
@@blackheart59_why is it that they want all these strong characters? I heard t5 was like this?
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I agree almost 100%, only change for me would be Lili and Kazuya in S tier
yeah they are so strong
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Odd thing is, I dont struggle against Alisa, Dragunov, Nina, Yoshi players. But I get stomped by good DJ players.
I’m a DJ player and even I meet my Karma against Kazuya players😂💯
they are very good
I want them to allow power crush to heat smash and nerf some powercrush. Some powercrushes are to effective with characters like panda, kuma, nina, victor, king, Paul etc
all safe on block BRAINDEAD powercrushes need to go away
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Nice Vid, but when do we get that updated Clive guide? 👀
i did one !
@@blackheart59_ Oh i thought you wanted to do an updated combo guide with notions and such :]
Exactly! No character is weak in tekken
yes!
i want to see you play raven
he did make a vid reaching GoD with every character and he did mention some characters could use some slight buffs as raven one of them.
maybe!
as a dvj main all i want is the old df1, is that too much to ask 😭
you can have it haha
When I try to spell out Lidia's weaknesses people say I downplay her, just cause she has more weaknesses than most of the roster it doesn't make her bad.
Peroanally, I would like nerfs to the top tiers to make them easier to deal with. No need to buff low tiers, they are balanced, any major buff to them will actually break them.
exactly!
Raven just needs tons of patience as a raven main, he's good. Not as good as Maven and not as great as his tekken tag two version but I believe he needs more moves and moves especially on sidestep. I side step up 3+4 although it's not his exact ss 3+4 from ttt2. Raven is awesome. I think the more I play him I can't see a raven just be played super aggressively. I think he's more like Zafina in the fact you need to play defensive. Maybe I'm wrong. But I understand after playing Zafina and Azucena to slow down and learn to actually block and defend that it's something quite smooth.
I agree. I main Raven and Zafina but when I play other characters, I don't have to play as defensive and methodical.
no he dont
I would definitely be happy with a patch that is only nerfs for the top 10ish characters, but casual players will start crying that their character didn't get buffed, and Namco is only running this game for the casual player, so, unfortunately, I don't think that will happen.
unfortunately indeed!
Bamco listen to this man.
Great video 👍
Appreciate you being honest and not downplaying your character as well.
I hope you they follow your direction. Hate to say I feel that Bamco is going to double down on stupid and do something like give everyone an install 😅.
Well said brother ... Hope you had A Large Audience To Grow Awareness on People ranting
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As a Lidia Main, i personally want a minor buff in D2 or db4 to make them viable for poking, the heat is that strong because in normal situations Lidia don't have ways to reduce the HP of strong defense players with her lows, if given better lows, nerfs the heat
yes that could be
The ONLY character I would buff (besides making moves behave like they should, basically just aboutany 2 hit wallsplat/punish etc) is Panda, and even then I'd rather see Kuma down on her level than otherwise
Panda is not weak at all, she is just useless cause she is a worse version than Kuma. Its Kuma that needs to be toned down, not Panda that needs to be buffed.
characters aren't WEAK, they are WEAKER THAN OTHERS IN AREAS. STRONGER THAN OTHERS IN OTHER AREAS.
yes!
I want them to buff asukas combo tracking, just so her combos don't randomly whiff. But yeah nerf the top tiers and adjust the rest
yes!
exactly what i think even in tekken 7 there were no weak characters, in this game even less, totaly agree there is MAX 2 tier lists, but for me there are fewer S tiers, they would be yoshimitsu dragunov nina jin feng clive, the rest are all uppet and lower A tiers
interesting
I would say in T7 Lars and Gigas do have solid argument to be considered weak
Idc if people think Lidia is weak mid or strong. I just want the forced stance to be gone
i think that is a design choice
I’ve been saying for the longest time that ther are NO weak characters in Tekken 8. The so called weak or mid tier characters almost always make it far in tournaments. People downplay in hopes that their mains will get buffed.
yeah lets hope they dont overbuff characters
I’m still on the fence with Zafinas buffs being buffs but just in the wrong way.
yeah she is a machine now
even though i agree with you the top 10 should get nerfs, bamco wont do that, its too much work lmfao. it'd be easier to buff the 2-3 characters
nooooo
Great takes
thanks
i think a lot of poeples ideas of Weakness, execution, honesty... still come from T7... everybody is basically a bullshit force a 50-50 down your opponents throat as fast as you can and lock his ass down as much as possible in T8..... BUT YES, right now there are outliers that can do that a lot better than the others, like jin, nina, drag, and the yoshi players that will say hes not that strong after telling your plus frames to go F themselves and steal their turn and unleash an unblockable launcher on your ass for a massive damage combo that also heals them
agreed|!
can you make your yoo longer , it wasnt long enough 😂
will do
youshi main asking to nerf feng amazing
both complete trash characters
@@blackheart59_ clive main trying to get into the conversation bruh
who does what eddy does but better? asking for a friend? :)
10.000 characters that do his same annoying mixups without the risk of being launched every two seconds
Your opinion is complete poop if you think Raven is good.
ok
THERE ARE BORING CHARACTERS IN TEKKEN 8
now I need fun vs boring characters tire list 🙂
like who? hehe
Everyone but Victor & jun but they’re butt cheeks tier :( I had a dream I woke up & saw ancient ogre jinpachi & devil kazumi on the character select screen with unknown & akuma 😔😔😔
i just want bug fixes for steven he has stupid bugs that can just cost you the game ... alb2 near the wall and he faces the wrong direction like wtf...b1 into flicker says -1 is -12 in real..
2,2 whiffs randomly the first hit (this is ass because its one of his main punishers so sometimes you correctly punish but it decides zo not give it to you...), 1,2,1 ( one of his most important strings) randomly whiffs second hit.
alb2 is so bad hahaha at the wall
@@blackheart59_i just want bugs like this gone for steve nothing more 😅.
Like alb 2 at the wall is basically handing the game to the opponent.
Lidia my main
Absoluteleeeelyyy. Alora
Magine thinking raven is bottom tier 😂😂😂
lol hahaah
Where would you put him? How many characters are worse than him?
@@Beamken iykyk
@@hands-ongaming7180 in other words “I don’t know how to answer that”
@@y0urmak3r 🤷♂️
No buffs just delete alisa and I'm happy
couldnt agree more on that
nerf every top tier to the ground
so that people realize their true strenght . tierd of those people who think they good or something carried jerks
Bryan and Kazuya players are especially a victim of this syndrome. I also play Kaz but he's just as bullshit as other characters, insane mids but has threatening low heat smash, insane mix up potential, overwhelming oki, extremely strong punishment and has electric on top of this. Same with Bryan, qcb1, also has great heat, amazing counter hits, overwhelming pressure, insane tracking and extremely high damage.
absolutely!!
Bryan in Gods? Cmon man I agree with everything you said other than that part bryan is weak if not ok
Bryan weak? The same Bryan that can kill you in 1 and a half interactions?
I agree he is not God level as said here, but he is anything but weak. He has everything he needs to excell at high level.
he is NOT WEAK by any chance
Nina will be dead unpopular if they nerf her significantly.
she will always be strong as shit for high execution players who can do her cancels. If you have that skill she can be +10 whenever she wants and she is top5 no matter what nerfs you give her.
Exactly. No one hardly plays Nina and she’s “supposedly” OP, so I can imagine that no one will hardly ever touch her if they nerf her.
Imo, if a character has high execution or is tough to properly play, they SHOULD be very strong. Why not just pick a braindead character to get similar results instead then?
Kazuya is always popular regardless of his strength, if Nina is remotely popular only if she's S tier then she doesn't even deserve to be in the game at all
nah, she will always be strong no matter how much they nerf her
As a Raven player, stop buffing characters, bro. Just nerf stupid ass characters. Jin changes in tekken 8, shouldn't be a thing. And Yoshimitsu's dmg shouldn't be that high. Buffing characters in tekken 8 makes no sense
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agreed
i disagree; i think Panda and lee are bad. its not Lee that is good; its Lee players
nah man lee is super good
azu dose not need buffs imo
no one does
lars is weak change my mind. only thing he has is den3 besides that all the other moves are too risky or lackluster mostly.
naaah...
There are no weak characters in Tekken 8 but they are all shite cause T8 is shite
lol
now Raven is not going to receive buffs because of you, couldn't you upload this video after the next update??
no
He doesn't need it. Get good
@_mass_477 Of course you don't need them because they already kick your ass too much, right?? If they buff him they would kick your ass so much that you couldn't stand it anymore, so it's better to cry to avoid it, right??
@@amadeoclemente8421 I'm a raven player and I know his insane potential. You however don't know shit about the games and the characters, that's why you keep spouting buff and nerf without thinking lmao
@@_mass_477 I'm also Raven player, FYI. And by the way, what is his "insane potential"?? Find someone who doesn't know the matchup and win with pure knowledge check?? I know how to do that too, but once the knowledge checks and mixups don't work, what's left for Raven? I love playing Raven, but saying it doesn't need buffs is crazy. Maybe you should remember that one of Raven's main assets is that he is one of the least used characters, I say this in case you have forgotten