Tool Talk: Update with Koken, Knipex, Wera, Hazet, Rousseau, & Stahlwille
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PB Swiss (screwdrivers) + Knipex (pinchy/grabby things) + Wera (everything else) is the route I've gone and I'm pretty happy.
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@@rasmuspoulsen5320Snap-on pliers are also excellent
What could be a great seller for you is a very minimalist, non-vehicle-wrenching homeowner collection. Just a few common sizes for each tool, adaptable/adjustable solutions for everything else. Same with the power tools. You could package it with other things along the same theme: tape measures, levels, flashlights, stud finder, clamps, utility knife, etc. So someone not working on cars but buying a house can just buy that and be (mostly) good.
good call on the Koken Z-Series; it's some really great stuff.
People may call this man, crazy! I call him a freakin genius. Matt, is a freak of nature!! I love it!
At some point I would love to see Obsessed garage tackle the “oh shit drawer”. The drawer you reach for when the bolts are stripped or broken like gearwrench bolt biters, grip edge hex (aka MAC rbrt) reverse drill bits, taps, helicoils etc. There are so many companies selling cheap taps I would love to see Matt dive through that
The Sears catalog was a huge deal for me as well. Even up here in Canada. Especially around Christmas time I believe that’s when it came out.
Tekton has a pretty good setup with tools and supposedly a Rousseau roll cabinet.
Matt, Ko-ken carries 3 types of "Z-series" sockets -- shallow, semi-deep, and deep sockets. I think you need the semi-deep. Not sure if they do in the states but at least in Japan, they do.
They are all in that drawer.
I do hvac and use only knipex, for pliers wrenches and cobras I always have two of the sizes I need, to tighten pipes you need the same amount of leverage on both ends
I have a lot of Hazet, but also Knipex and Wera. You are definetely on the right track ;)
The nostalgia thinking about the sears catalog is strong.
Most of us spend huge amounts of money on our tool sets and I would like an OG tool care center in your cabinets line and/or included in your gararge designs, to include a tool wash/care area possibly a partly enclosed section like a sand blast cabinet to allow for higher pressure tool washing w/o the mess of overspray or worry about skin contact for more caustic cleaning agents. Ultra sonic cleaning section for tools with power wash tool cleaning brushes and a finishing section including a temp. controlled air drying convection chamber and an area to apply protective coating to the tools after cleaning making putting away ones tools and caring for them a pleasent organized task that need not be hurried but rather efficient and organized in the true OG fashion. Ray Stormont
Do you consider Mike's input when determining Best Tools?
Mike let's me do what I do then shows me how to use it.
Each to their own.I am DIY enthusiast and I use lot of tools that I have.I love good stuff and love using it.Took me long time until I created tool kit that suits me.Sold all tools that I wasn't using but still need another tool storage unit.I was looking at Sonic box,they are pretty neat.
The gray is much better than the red and blue. Good call!
I love that wall paper border in that room.
No.
Equipto does carriers for their drawers too. Thoughts on Equipto?
I’m late to the comment section on this. I have a bunch of Tekton tools and they are great. I really like their website, customer service, and return policy. They are what Craftsman was 30+ years ago. The bulk of the rest of my tools are Craftsman that were my grandfather’s and they are still going strong.
Those Gearwrench spline drive wrenches are really useful for tight to reach e-torx bolts. For certain BMW oil filter housing gaskets, there's a coolant hose that blocks access to one of the E10 bolts, so usually an 8mm spline drive ratcheting wrench is used to loosen/tighten the bolt without removing the hose and draining coolant. Many such other applications. It's one of those get out of jail free tools.
Wera has an adjustable joker wrench 🔧 attachment for their torque (stahlwille provably too) wrench so you need less of the non adjustable torque wrench attachments, and you can do like suspension rebuilds without problems.
The Knipex line is incredible. Every time I get a new tool from Knipex I find a use for it, and continue to use all of my Knipex. As for torque wrenches, I think you’re on the right track with the 1Nm to 1000Nm, and personally I’ve found that having split beam torque wrenches and having digital torque wrenches are both necessary. I do everything from chassis work, to electrical, to engine builds. It feel wrong to beat up on the digital torque wrench while doing brakes, but gives me so much more confidence when torque head bolts. Is a digital 1/4” drive torque wrench necessary, probably not. I’ve never come across a torque to yield bolt that is less than 5ft lbs which my tech angle 3/8” will do no problem. My personal favorite torque wrenches are the Snapon A-Tech, because they just make sense to me and are incredibly accurate, and the precision instruments split beams, the click is always easy to feel, build quality is good, and I’ve never had one out of spec when sent in for calibration. I would love to try all the torque wrenches, they’re awesome. People judge me for it but I torque every fastener while working, id be really curious which torque wrench has the best fit and finish and holds up to abuse the best.
Some input from a almost daily user of Stahlwille (torque wrench and open box 13) and Knipex pliers here is some input:
The quick adjust. Stahlwilles are great for general fast work like switching between M10-M16 fasterners, wouldn`t use it on engine internals tho. Not for lack of precision but the scale isn`t suited for that type of work. The 725QR/20 head is wonderful except it breaks far to easy. It`s rated for 200Nm and not much more then that will break the teeth. I now use the 735/20 head instead.
Open box 13 is by far my favorite wrench because of their lightness and feel in the hand, especially when you get up to the bigger sizes. Also love the finish on them (same with Knipex in some cases) in that they are only machined/polished were it`s needed for the function of the tool on other areas they can be a bit rough but the will wear in beatifully if you use them.
The Knipex Cobras are a must have but without the comfort grip, makes them way too bulky and you loose the feedback to your hands. My favorite size is the 180, it`s amazing how much you can use it. As for the quick adjusting type the _only_ benefit I`ve found with those is the ability to flick it with one hand to adjust the size while you`re holding something you can`t let go with your other hand.
As for the ”drama” with blue/white/whatever collar thing. I don`t get why people feel attacked/offended by this. Some like/need a ”pigsty” to work in, others like a middle ground and some just want an extended livingroom. It`s what ever floats your goat people.
Koken Z are fantastic
Have you considered trying out a modular custom built by you 3d printed system? They have some more rubbery nylon stuff you might like, plus should you make something new only a part will need replacing. A popular design from the hobbyist community is gridfinity
Those systems have way too much jank for me.
I think I would pay admission to just look at those tools.
Shelly might need a tool grid system to hold fat stacks of cash in the safe Matt. Hell that product would generate fat stacks of cash to use with the grid.
I'm looking forward to see what you think about the GearWrench products. That's on my list to try.
Phoenix Contact makes some great hand tools (screwdrivers, Cutting, Crimping/Stripping)
Ok Matt, here I go (at the risk of typing all this, and you not reading it). As I've said before, I love your brand, I love your talent and personalities. I've said before that it's amazing that you've created a brand that draws guys in to watch other guys wash cars and hang shelves. So cool. Kudos (again) on that.
Sooo... That being said, I hope you take this man to man, and not from some shitty keyboard warrior.
I was a flat-rate mechanic, Snap-On fan boy for many years, and have spent 35 years in the service department in and around tools. I'm now white collar (still in the service department) so my $50k collection of tools are now at home. Most are Snap-On, Blue-Point, MATCO, with a few Cornwell, Craftsmen, Gearwrench, and Crescent brands as fill-ins, since I don't rely on them for daily use, productivity, and my paycheck.
So here's my point: I can see why the guys you're simply calling "Blue Collar", are butt-hurt. You do seem condescending at times. At one point in this video, you say, "I don't use tools, I hate using them, I hate fixing things" (para-phrasing). That right there is going to get those blue collar guys "judging you" and calling you out, because you just spoke down to their career, job, and livelihood. Right there, you've insulted them. They're going to discount what you say from there on out. Not long after you made that statement, you then say something to the effect, "I'll pick out the tools I think you'll need". Well man, I'll tell ya what. That's a hard for even me to swallow, given your resume of real life tool usage in your career. That's a mighty bold statement. "YOU are going to tell ME what I need?"
So maybe just a bit more situational awareness of your audience, may net you fewer butt-hurt viewers. That being said, maybe your demographic isn't the guy whose fingers are so swollen and stained from working on machines all day that they look like big fat cat turds that have been digging in charcoal all day long. So be it. If your main focus is rich guys that collect shiny chrome hand tool they'll never use because they enjoy the way the jewelers lighting reflects off them, still... so be it. Just don't feel you have to defend yourself from one party if you're trying to attract the other.
Also, I do LOVE your comparison of the various toolboxes, prices, and advantages of their (physical) strengths and weakness. It would be great to see a video of the "top five" boxes, side by side. That flex you displayed was pretty cool. It would speak volumes if you had a Snap-On right there to A-B-C compare to, since you called them out on price. If what you're saying is true with regard to price and quality of these brands shown, everybody with a Snap-On should be trading them in tomorrow.
Again, I mean this as constructive as possible. I say this from a guy that's also a 2 channel audio, home theater, OCD, carnivore diet, car dude, tool freak, and I've even rented a VRBO in Helen Georgia. So yea man. Rock on. Please take my words as friendly.
Great, great post! I read it twice. I said this type of stuff about detailers too when I dug into detailing. They generally can’t be helped. They are usually dug into a position. It didn’t matter what I said, so I just say what is so. I hate polishing. It sucks. I would never polish if I wasn’t addicted to the result. Mechanics are the same type of people. They can’t hear what I am saying. I don’t want to use a tool unless I have to use one. The goal with paint is to polish less or never. The goal of a tool is to only have it if I need it. All that other baggage these people add has nothing to do with what I said. Quality recognition doesn’t take use to recognize. Do we really think the engineers making the tools are using them all day? I’ll give everyone the answer. It is no.
@@ObsessedGarage I'd agree with that.
Your comment about the appreciation of using a quality tool for a given situation made me smile too. That one I felt in the heart. Thank you for the reply!
@35:28 those digital ones from StahlWille though expensive are unmatched in reliability and accuracy. I used them a lot when I worked semiconductor industry where we used them for pretty much every application of fastening with almost every type of exotic metal fastener you can think of. They also seem to stay in calibration for a very long time, even when used incorrectly. It also stores the data on its misuse, so if you're a shop for example you can track down the employee who's using it to break bolts loose or who's over torqueing the bolts and how many times it has been over torqued. The ability to switch between a lot of different presets instantly with a few button clicks doesn't hurt either. Feel free to ask away if you have any questions on them!
I def think you are overlooking Whia. While they are geared more toward electricians, their screwdrivers are by far my favorite in the hand and made in Germany. They also have the purple grip which are actually great for real mechanics who work in a messy garage as they are made to grip with wet oily hands. Their sockets aren’t snap-on quality and their pliers aren’t Knipex but they aren’t that bad, at least Sonic level (I think screwdrivers are made in Germany and other stuff is Taiwan or Czech). Lastly, they also have really nice foam inlays that actually fit perfect in those steel kargomaster van drawers literally everyone uses. Whia def belongs in any discussion that Wera is in.
Wiha is a German aggregation brand of a lot of Chinese tools. Wera also make a lot of their stuff in Taiwan and China, but they make all of their own stuff.
The thing with Wiha is that they are historically mainly a screwdriver manufacturer. This is what they are producing by themself and what they are good with. Everything else is a just an addition they came up with over the years and while not particularly bad, they are just nothing special.They are also heavily geared towards electricians and pretty much the German counterpart to what Klein Tools is for you guys in the US.
@@HanSolo-yd2pf probably because he has access to information and people that normal people who just buy off the websites have no freaking clue of. And because companies like Wiha actively try to recruit him.
@@HanSolo-yd2pf The vast majority of Wiha's tool catalog is made in China. Doing a simple COO checkup on their tools reveals this. Only some screwdrivers and maybe some pliers if you're lucky are made in german. Most of their hard line tools like sockets, wrenches etc are very generic overpriced tools in foam that could have anyone's name stamped on them. Wiha is a brand living off their name....
@@HanSolo-yd2pf It isn't wrong though - they had a focus and then you see a ton of "Wiha branded" nonsense
Spline drive is great
I can't speak for all professions, but i worked 5 years as an electrician and work on my own cars. I wouldn't recommend buying these massive toolkits and powertool slections. Buy in small increments and only what you need. Buying a 1300 piece kit just gets you a bunch of unused tools. For handtools, I mostly just used the stuff I had in a carefully curated pouch. Then I had a few more tools that I used at lower frequency in the van. For anyone interested, my handtools are mostly Wiha and Wera and my powertools are Makita. I'm not saying these brands are superior, but they are my preferred brands. For powertools, I've been unimpressed with Milwaukee durability, but I might just have gotten some bad examples
I'm not doing this for techs. They wouldn't listen anyway. I'm doing this for people like me. I want a complete set of amazing tools. Figure out what that complete set is, then add it up to see what it costs. That's the way I operate.
@ObsessedGarage fair enough, and I do really enjoy these vids, without this shit ton of tools there would be no video, so keep on doing what you're doing
The tool obsession is where all this becomes complete overkill . Check out Stephan Papadakis tool box tour to support a 2 car race team.. Keeping things simple and easy to find is way to go with tools.
I assembled several 'General Maintenance Technician's Kits' for my work center in the military. The trick was to keep the total quantity down since everything had to be inventoried daily and tools have a habit of walking away when you're not looking. Most flight lines also have strict FOD requirements which force technicians to use foam inlays and not every brand offered through GSA has a factory layout. The flight check team I worked with had a strict rule that all of their tools had to fit in 2-3 Pelican cases that could be shipped to the facility.
@@khdhgtjrtu Have seen some of those portable cases used in offroad that guys have sourced from military surplus . They are impressive
This is the thing that makes it overkill? Ha, ha... What about all the other nonsense stuff I have chased?
Simple and easy to find is a valid argument, but you can't really compare a race team to a guy in his garage who likes to have a complete set of tools that can handle any vehicle that might come into his possession. Race cars tend to have limited fastener sizes, easier access and there is a more well-defined range of scenarios that they encounter.
Live and let live, worry less about how others spend their time/money and be glad that an awesome resource for all of this cool stuff exists.
@@ObsessedGarage Most of the other stuff you chase would make life easier. I enjoy it and if one has a unlimited budget its a no brainer. The 100 screw drivers as an example makes life harder and work slower.. I dont mess with any detailing so cant comment on that..
Best Wishes Matt on your journey! I hope I am the next garage winner.
Developing a CAD tool for drawer layout with accurate measurements for all of the individual tools and corresponding Tool Grid would be a game-changer. Someone so inclined should contact Mantis and get a nice paycheck for all of the work involved.
The knipex pliers wrenches are big for us in aviation. 7 10 12 of those and cobras in my box. The boxes your going with, i believe, also make Tekton's boxes for them someone said.
I love the Spline wrenches, Icon is fantastic. I own all the Gearwrench spline sets, and that's a nice wrench, (*in all three versions) except the 120xp has a dual pawl that always gets jumbled up in there, and it kills me that they don't use a single pawl like a 90T on the ratcheting end- it would be so much more confidence inspiring. I've had to use three sets to make ONE good one, but I do love the open ends , i think they call them Force drive. Just not a 120xp fan. (*dual pawl fail) otherwise great to have
Been working on cars for 2 decades. I feel naked without my tools. Many ppl ask me hey can you fix this or that but I really can't do anything without my tools present. They have a hard time understanding that everything can't be fixed with a hammer, some screwdrivers, and a couple random torx bits.
Matt, what do you think about ProSlat? They look good and seem to be affordable. Hard to tell unless you put your eyes and hands on them.
I think they are the best middle tier cabinet option for the price. Nicer than the Saber with a better drawer glide than the MSS line.
@@ObsessedGarage Thank you so much for answering! I just found the Mike & Mike Proslat video. lol...
I've owned over 30 sets of all the best screwdriver sets, including pb swiss, wiha, for the flat blades i really like Snap-On and Williams for the money. For Phillips and other bits The Wiha Extra Heavy Duty screwdrivers, and bits Grip Edge RPT. I have a couple wera #3, #4 , they're ok, i think the laser end is too fragile and they're not backward compatible for jis/usa as Wiha is. A few HD Vessel are good to have. Snap-On flat blades, and Wiha Extra HD are my favorites.
How much for just the nanuk case and foam, without the four koken sockets? I already have them but I like that case.
Hey Matt, I do think if possible you should include some of the Grip Edge, MAC, Facom OGV etc, hex and torx, they really are good. I also think the MAC RBRT, Facom OGV, USAG etc spanners / wrenches could be in your kits too. I have a Beta box that you mentioned, they are good quality for the price, some of their tools are nice too, you should check them out if you haven’t already. Cheers 👍🏻
Less is more when it comes to tool quantity. The best mechanics I know also have the least amount of tools. They work faster with no extra effort needed searching for the "right" length tool.
yup, im friends with a few working professional mechanics, and none of them have 10% of this, and they make a good living doing it. id bet most of the people who buy these giant kits dont use much more than a pliers, and screw driver. the rest is for looks/bragging.
@@leftyo9589 There's photographs of certain NASA laboratories equipped Harbor Freight tool boxes.
Matt isn't a mechanic, and he doesn't have the same ingenuity that the seasoned mechanics you know.
Math is an enthusiast who loves tools just for the sake of having a tool for when something specific calls for it.
The average/best mechanic isnt OG's target audience. Isn't this obvious? These tool videos always cause such contention with the unintended audience.
You're missing the point a little, this channel has never been about practicality. It's all about having the "best shit".
Don’t forget about Wiha tools.
I have both Wera and Wiha and without a doubt prefer the Wiha.
he already went down that road and talked about it
I don't know what you guys see in them. I've spent a few hours in their booth every year at SEMA. It all seems like German Harbor Freight to me.
@@ObsessedGarage I’ve spent a few hundred hours using them as an electrician. I use the insulated version. Personally I like the material and the handle shape better.
You can fix 90% or stuff on German vehicles with the Gedore Red 172 piece set, a set of metric wrenches, a few screwdrivers, a few pliers, a 1/2 breaker bar, a 3/8 long flex head, some torque wrenches and an OBD2 code reader. I say this as someone with well into the six figures in tools. One idea I have had for a long time is to sell vehicle specific kits like they do for motorcycles. I am sure you could sell Porsche owners on kits that had all the common and not so common tools for their particular Porsche. I have built my own, and helped others do the same, but there is nothing commercially available. It’s particularly helpful to not have sizes that don’t exist on your car. You could start with a service kit for GT Porsches. 3/4 torque wrench, the oil filter socket, the allens for the drains, proper flare but wrench, spark plug wrench, the e-Torx for the coils to get to the plugs, the Torx for the diffuser etc. with the basic sockets, wrenches, pliers etc. I put that together for myself, but it was annoying to figure out what was not present, what was the best tool to get to the plugs etc.
Pretty much every tool company does some version of that. I’m a complete set kind of guy. I want to build a more complete group of tools and work down from there. Most guys like me don’t have one type of car and change them often.
@@ObsessedGarageyou have the one complete set, but then you have sets for each vehicle you own too. 😂
Way back when Lista was the "deluxe Lista" company they had the same exact design and the Rousseau cabinet with the welding tie bar. I have many old Lista cabinets like that. They also had metal bearings. So I would say the old Lista stuff was the best stuff money could buy. I have almost 1000 LBS of tooling in drawers that are rated at 440 LBS. Don't try that with any of the new stuff. I know you have to buy and sell new stuff but old Lista was like that Rousseau one you have today so I am not sure how they have the "patent" on it as you said.
How do you select tools when you say you don't like to use them? Certainly the only way to know if they make the cut is using them...
It’s hard to explain. I just know.
@@ObsessedGarage From a person who admits he doesn’t like using tools because it means something is broken. There are in fact more trustworthy people that enjoy fixing things, building things, and the tools used in those processes.
I still prefer the look of the sonic foam, but maybe switching some of the tools out to get tools from these other companies as long as they would fit in the sonic foam spaces
Matt do a video on your watch collection!
What are your favorite swivel 1/4” E Torx sockets. ? Gedore?
I've never found the need for swivel type. Most of the manufacturers have them, but I eliminated that.
@@ObsessedGarage interesting. Out of all the tools I have the 1/4” swivel E Torx set is absolutely essential for working on anything German. Especially from VAG ( Porsche included ). Look up snap on 1/4” E Torx Swivel from 2008 . Very handy little tool. For tight to reach areas .
You should take a look at PB Swiss screwdrivers. All Swiss made, I use the word cashmere to describe very nice, heavy duty ratcheting mechanisms and the ratcheting screwdrivers from PB Swiss are cashmere to another level. I love knipex, wiha and wera, but the PB Swiss stuff is very nice. Everything from the material in the grip, to the machining is 👌
I've had a few of them. I don't love them. They seem too old school for my taste.
How do you know if tools don’t make the cut.. If you don’t use them!!
No
Cool stuff Matt. Do you have a 'household essentials toolkit' on the website? Some essentials for everyday home tasks. If not, that would be interesting and quite appealing at different price points.
That’s on the short list for me to make.
@@ObsessedGarage That's awesome brother. Looking forward to it.
Matt, do you remember the BEST showroom catalog. Big in NE Ohio
Missed opportunity to call the video “TOOL TIME”
Trying any Tekton?
Gear Wrench does not hold up and good luck getting it warranty, Icon has a better wrench, and you can go to the store and get a replacement on the spot. The icon brand has been compared to Matco quality without the price tag.
Have you looked at the Stanley Vidmar?
Lista/Vidmar were acquired by Stanley Black and Decker. I view Vidmar as the not so good looking Lista.
What was that Japanese tool brand he was using during the Evo series?
Ko-ken?
Koken and KTC Nepros
Video thumbnail shows "Hazet" twice.
If you’re going the Lista/Rousseau route you have to start using red Schaller Bins with dividers and foam. Ditch the pegboard setup in the drawers. OG needs a laser and a light box so you can start making your own shadow foam and drawer kits. Seriously though, Schaller bins. We have 24 listas in our shop, all full of red Schaller bins with things in them. It will take everything to another level. Just my .02”.
Yeah, I have all of those in my Lista array at my house.
How many Rolex's do you have?
5
@@ObsessedGarage Do you buy those from grey market or dealerships? I have 3 but it's impossible for me to find them at dealerships now.
Is knipex really pronounced cannippicks?
There's videos of their sales reps pronouncing it that way.
@khdhgtjrtu I was so surprised by this that I did some research myself and went to their page and these must be american sales reps, because that is not how knipex workers pronounce it. But it really isn't important, since we know what he is talking about. Americans have an impressive ability to mispronounce everything
It's how the Germans pronounce it. YOu can hear it in their own videos. It's not a super hard K sound though. It sounds like Kee-nee-picks
@Ed209sect32 I am German. Hence my infatuation with non-important pronunciation 😅 I've been saying it right for years, but Matt's pronunciation sent me spiralling down a hole of self doubt
@@rasmuspoulsen5320 Lol, oh ok. Yeah whenever I encountered that brand before I knew about them from Obsessed Garage, I thought it was Knipex with an N sound like many Americans.
I think a magnet system is even better than tool grid and foam. You can upgrade your tool set you can add and there is zero wasted space. You can move things were you need to. Don’t get me wrong toolgrid is nice and but your still wasting money and real estate in a box. Just my 2 cents the only thing is have the ability to design my own organizers there are some out there but not every single item. Maybe one day you ditch the foam idea and realize the money is getting your own OG modular tool organizers!
Starbucks watch?
Yep
Tool watch 😊
Wera screwdrivers? If you’re going to say Shtalvillah, then say Vera. And you say PB Swiss is too old school? Santoprene in the SwissGrip is probably the best material since Merino wool. That’s the problem with these curated tools: they are only the things Matt thinks feels good in his hand. That’s unfortunate, since the OG sheeple will miss out on some very good stuff (like PB Swiss, Marvel, Wright Tools, and so much more).
I'll do what I want.
👍
“I’m probably top 2 in the world at shopping in catalogs”
“I’d rather not use the tool”
WTF?
If you don’t understand, I can’t help you.
Sounds like a glorified salesman, butthurt to be called just that, and keeps telling everyone of touching and feeling up tools so he is different
Judging by your grammar, I get why you don’t understand.
@@ObsessedGarage I doubt grammar will stop the light shining straight through your bald head, but hey, you definitely get to touch and feel tools up and declare which is better at the end of it, like a glorified salesman.
Just an observation, Germans pronounce W as "V" . Sorry, that's my OCD coming out... otherwise your task is a massive undertaking.
He gave you gear wrench cause its junk 😂😂 better then snap on? Come on man.. good thing your not a mechanic.
Snap-on are pretty much the same and cost 10x. I had them.
@@ObsessedGarage i have them and use them everyday.. gearwrench didnt last 7 months went straight to the trash. Quality is NOT the same.
All I own is a Milwaukee bag full of Walmart wrenches. This dude fucks.