In the 1980s an RAF Bulldog aircraft got into a flat spin. The pilot, an instructor exited the aircraft, but, as the practice at the time was to leave the parachute in the aircraft when landed, he followed his muscle memory practice and left his perfectly serviceable parachute in the spinning aircraft as he fell to his death. After that the practice was changed to putting on and taking off the parachute outside of the aircraft.
Wow! What a brilliant video, Tim. You do perform a very useful function with your films: thank you. For those of us who have not ( and hope to never have to) actually used a parachute it was great to hear some of the finer details. It's also nice to know that I was not talking out of my bottom hole when briefing students on their use! I didn't realise that steering was as 'easy' on a conical canopy and it's nice to know that 250kV power lines can be avoided!!!. I always used to tell people to land with feet & knees together and legs bent but I'm not sure how I arrived at that instruction: I think it was probably from watching too many war films when I was a kid or maybe stepping off a kerb and landing on a stiff heel just made it bloody obvious!! :-) Interestingly though, it is something I have never heard even very experienced (gliding) instructors relate to their students. I have always thought I should go and do a jump just to experience the event but I have never summoned up the 'balls' to do it!! LoL
Great glad you liked it! Yeah I wasn't aware you could steer most of them either, so it's good to be aware of incase you're in that situation. Hopefully never are, but you never know...
@@PureGlide I know one pilot who bailed after a mid-air during a comp and clearly did land with his legs bent - to such a degree that he ended up in hospital from facial injuries where his knees said 'hello' to his jaw and nose!! I guess like most things, it's a question of moderation! Incidentally, I too, was once a firefighter, so say please say 'hi' to Jim from a fraternal soul.
@@grahambambrook313 Hi Graham and respects to you from a Kiwi Firefighter. The "knees to chin and nose" suggest the person arrived vertically with no horizontal movement. It is also possible he was looking down at the ground which is a mistake as landing under canopy you touch down a half second later than you expect instinctively from every other jump you have made and you may reflexively bring your legs up in surprise ruining your planned landing! Despite my training I did that too on my first (intentional) parachute jump with a round parachute, luckily I was 42 years younger and thirty kilos lighter so only my pride was injured. Best plan is to set up for landing and look out ahead until touchdown.
Great video Tim. What a pleasure to see Jim again; I remember him from the Whenuapai DZ in the early 80s. A real gentleman and a great teacher/instructor.
I wonder how often anyone has actually had to use a Parachute in a glider. From what I have read most of them were mid-air collisions while in a thermal with lot of other gliders. I have seen a few videos where several up to 10 gliders rotating in a single thermal I could see how easy it would be to collide just being the fact that your turning and difficult to see.
The most I’ve flown with in a single gaggle is about 40, in the world champs in Australia. There were only 2 mid air collisions that comp and 2 successful bail outs and no deaths. Here in NZ a few years ago a pilot had to bail out of a glider because the controls jammed up, due to something falling down to jam them
I know of several people who have used an emergency parachute. I’ll give you the reasons. 1. Elevator not connected on a wire launch. 2. Two from mid-air collisions. 3. Structural failure due lighting strike. Mine? A mid-air break up following flap deployment and a design fault. My advice to anyone bailing out. A. Decide to go while you have time. B. Release the canopy. It may well NOT come off. C. Whether the canopy comes off or not, release your seat straps. You may well be flung out. D. Bring your hands together up to your chest. E. Look for and then grab and pull the cord. F. The rest is style.
Hi. Nice video. Input to the subject I learned some time ago: When landing in trees... keep you arm crossed in front of you and keep you elbows tight pressed into the side of you body. This will help to protect the big blood wessels under your arm pits to be punched open by the tree branches. A bleeding from these big blood wessels in the arm pit area, is very hard to block. This is also one of the reasons that the knee's is keep tightly together, to hinder puncture of the big blood wessels in the groin area.
When landing on water: release the straps immediately after hitting the surface, but not before. Dive deep, stay deep and swim upwind (you were facing into the wind before touchdown, weren't you? So it's straight forward from your point of view) until you are well away from the canopy, only then swim to surface. All this to avoid being entangled with the lines or getting trapped under the canopy.
@@juhakettunen7971 It can be a big subject, but there is plenty of good advice available both from the Parachute manufacturers and military sources if they still use round parachutes. If your parachute is steerable and you are able to land facing into wind the canopy will land behind you. Undo your harness and swim forward away from it. If the canopy lands on top of you, follow a radial seam the the edge to get out from under, disconnect and swim out and away from it.
Look, reach, pull and if you can think about it, pull in direct line away from the cable housing, (not at 90 degrees to the housing) which in most cases will be downwards and away. Practice without actually pulling, LOOK, REACH, PULL (think about the direction of pull) and recovering both arms into a wide ‘Y’ which will help stabilise your body. 👍
A point to bear in mind. These canopy's forward 'drive' is only about walking speed in still air. So once it's fully open, look down between your feet straight away & note your drift across the ground, turn away from any upcoming ground hazards as early as possible, remember - your steering will only turn you & the canopy to face another direction, it's the 'both-hands-up straight-drive' that will carry you to safety - so keep things facing the right way & allow it enough time to get you there! : )
Start of our season Rigging 2ZC this weekend and donning our chute for the first time in a while. This never gets old and its great to put this stuff back into focus. BTW the "OK I'm ready" joke it still makes me chuckle
Loving your channel. Great content and really well put together.... this is the best single explanation of deploying a emergency chute I have seen. Your 'assistant' 😁 was first class.....
Excellent discussion on usage of parachute. For pilots in two seaters after a midair there may be no time to spare for discussion. Perhaps in preflight briefing: "If my canopy comes off, you should be leaving too." Comments?
Well done! Reminds me of the days when we skydivers used to jump military-surplus round parachutes (pre-1985). FAA Master Parachute Rigger: back, seat and chest. Formerly worked for Butler, Para-Phernalia and Rigging Innovations.
You're welcome! The credit goes to Tim for making and sharing the video with those most likely to find it useful! (He's a great chef too, doing a beautiful gourmet "post video" meal in his camper)
@@jimmaclean6165 Gidday Jim! I was trying to track down your email to send you this, glad you found it :) Maybe you could answer a couple of the other good questions in the comments?
@@PureGlide cheers Tim, I have shared it on my facebook too. David Todd told me about it and where to find it. I check my work e mail every day and it's james.maclean@fireandemergency.nz if you want to drop me a line anytime.
Very, very useful. Thank you for your brilliant video! I learnt to fly gliders last summer, and we cannot test-pull the parachute, because the nearest packer is 800 km away at the other end of the country, where we send them in winter for annual repacking. So it was great to see how this actually works. 👍😎
When I was in the Navy we would repack inspect parachutes every 210 days . The ones I worked on were used in ejection seats and had explosive cartridges and ballistic spreader guns and we're controlled by a barometric trigger . Little bit different than hop and pop .
Very interesting, our paraglider reserve is definitely a lot smaller but of course not designed for free fall deployment, basically used when we have a collapse or situation that makes our glider a tangled mess and un flyable so we will already have some drag as we are plummeting towards the ground when we deploy our reserve, very cool seeing how your safety chute works.
@@PureGlide yea, and I’m sure you have seen the videos of the glider coming around and eating the reserve, when I decide to go ahead and do a SIV I want to have two reserve’s just in case
Thank you very for much for this great video!!! Before I became a parachute rigger myself last year, I didn't know much about the emergency parachutes I have been wearing for years... a little bit shocking in hindsight. These emergency devices are luckily taken for granted nowadays (mostly), but a little bit more awareness of their functionality will definitely be useful for the worst case we all hope to never experience. Therefore this video is very eductional for all glider pilots and I will share it and reference it!
Very good video for ab initio pilots or someone who wants to fly occasionally as a 'refresher'. I had the luxury of a MB mk5 seat on the one and only exit from an aircraft in flight nearly 35 years ago. It was a painful experience even after spending many hours training and re-training for such an episode. The parachute descent was quite calm, although I had severe back pain with a ruptured L2/3 vertebrate fracture. Never flew FJ again.
Andrew I can only imagine what landing a round parachute with a fractured Lumbar vertebrae would be like, let alone the drama of ejecting from a Fighter Jet. The ejection forces are brutal and injuries not uncommon as they know the setup for what would usually be a smooth and injury free ejection would increase the time taken for the process. The ballistic Spreader which fires open the parachute on a "zero/zero" seat (not the older MB) can cause injury on its own! Respects to you for your military service, I am glad you can still fly and share the skies still.
There is one more thing to consider before jumping. Do I really need to jump? In most cases there is not enough time to think about it but in some there is. I've had two gliders midair collision. The other glider has been cut into two pieces (tail section and front cockpit and wings section), the other pilot HAD TO jump. That's what he did. My glider was damaged but I had almost full control. It's been almost two years since the accident but I still ask myself. Should have I jumped out? In the air assesment of the damages is not an easy thing. You are unable to see all parts of the glider, you may only imagine what happened, you may feel that on the stick and pedals. I've been wondering for a long time if I made a good decision of staying in the aircraft. Thinking the other way. What could have happened if I have jumped out? 1. I couldn't be sure whether the parachute would open. 2. There was a forest beneath, landing would be difficult, so would be the rescue mission. 3. The major one. I was flying glider that was very difficult to get out from. I'm rather a tall person and now I think I would not succeed in leaving a glider. My advice is. Always be prepared, briefed for the jump. Know your glider as well as the parachute you're wearing. Before every flight take a quick look at the terrain map of the place you are going to fly to know where to find "safe spots" not only for outlanding but also for landing with a parachute. The thing I will always tell everyone. LOOK OUT THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD. Don't stare at your vario, navi. Take into account that the flarm may not work, or the other glider may not be equipped with it. Stay safe, fly nice and enjoy gliding.
G Dale a leading UK coach (over 10k hours), who has survived a mid-air by jumping, argues that if the collision is to the rear of your glider you should jump as you don't know how bad the damage is. the controls might feel OK but something serious might break on finals!
If your aircraft is controllable there is no need to jump. Usually it will quickly become obvious. You landed safely so your assessment was correct. Landing safely is always the objective!
There are also discussion points about making the decision in the first place, only the survivors say it was quite obvious, and how to get out of an aircraft that may not be flying straight and level. It is hard to get out of a high performance single-seater glider even after a normal landing while wearing a 'chute, which is why some people undo the parachute straps first. Standing up from a reclining position while pulling more than 1 g is even harder. Also watch "G Dale - Bailout Advice" on TH-cam
Somerhing that I wasn’t expecting, when I popped a chute for re-packing, is that the rip-cord comes away COMPLETELY from the chute. For some reason this came as a complete shock to me. I was assured that if I was doing this for real, I wouldn’t notice but it’s something to be aware of. If you have time, you can tuck it away somewhere safe, (it fits over your hand and onto your wrist) otherwise just discard it and concentrate on flying something you’ve probably never thought you’d use.
@@jurgentantau9358 You can leave it in your hand as you steer or stuff it in the front of your shirt. The only time you must throw it away is if it looks like you will land in power lines.
I always wondered why glider pilots wore a chute. Although the risks are similar in powered aircraft, we don’t wear one and is only seen in aerobatics or civilian owned military aircraft. In my opinion, a parachute doesn’t always guarantee survivability as there are many complex variables during collisions or in flight breakups. I suppose the low speed of most gliders have less energy therefore less catastrophic and could give the pilot more time to react.
Yeah, we fly close to many other gliders, thus the chance of a mid air collision is a lot higher than normal aircraft. I know several people around the world saved by their parachutes due to a mid air collision. In one World Champs I attended, 2 people were saved with their parachutes.
I actually got into skydiving, speed flying, packing etc so that I can be prepared for when I start gliding and sports flying - I have a pilot pack now I just need a Discus or JS1
If you're A glider Pilot then you should do at least one Parachute Jump, Under canopy on a round Chute,you will be descending at 16 feet a second minimum, and its important to know how to locate a landing zone and aim for it under canopy and make sure your legs are positioned correctly when hitting your landing zone, another piece of advice is to locate the handle before leaving the glider with both hands that way when tumbling towards the ground you won't be fishing around for the Ripcord and a controlled jump on a static line from an aircraft will let you know exactly what you're up against in an emergency situation and the necessity to exit the Glider at a safe altitude if you need to.All sport parachute training jumps on a round are carried out at a minimum of 2000. feet.
Thank you so much for this informative video, it helps a lot. Maybe it is possible to add some information about automatic parachutes? Also a very important disclaimer: a parachute only helps, when there is enough hight. Maybe a tutorial on how to actually jump out of the glider might be helpful too....
German gliders often had a hardpoint attachment for static line deployed emergency parachutes. German made emergency chutes like the Buchsein still have static lines which can be used without intefearing with the ripcord deployment. Talk to your instructor or e mail the manufacturer of the parachute you use for more information.
@@jimmaclean6165 Unfortunately this is not the reason why I made this point. I lost a glider friend to this fact so pls be respectful. A parachute doesn‘t help when you are too low...Also I have never experienced what you have described among „german gliders“. This might be a wrong impression.
@@PureGlide true, but those are designed for being able to carry all your gear strapped to each side and to attach the rest of the gear strapped to ones thighs. So very uncomfortable for sure
Very well done. Might I suggest that you also do a video demonstrating the popping of the canopy and exiting the glider. Many pilots have never been properly trained in the popping of canopy.
@@PureGlide I also heard that these emergency shutes, unlike your normal parachutes, can't be opened at high speed as they are not strong enough and can't handle the g's associated with terminal velocity. Is this a myth ? I heard that this is why you can't physically cut your harness free from a hang glider to avoid wing tangle and then pull while in your falling in your harness as you'll have too much speed for chute. Also, I would assume that these emergency shutes are a lot cheaper. Where have they saved the money. Thanks, love you channel.
@@deanfitzgerald8063 I've never heard that before, but I would have to ask Jim to confirm. I would think it's a myth, I would imagine they are designed to open at any speed. I've certainly heard stories of people being knocked unconscious on the way out of the aircraft, then coming to and opening their chute a second or two before it's too late. So that must be near terminal velocity.
@@deanfitzgerald8063 Certainly hang glider and paraglider reserves aren’t designed to handle free fall velocities. I would imagine glider reserves are.
12:13 "If you ever have the opportunity to pull your parachute I suggest you do it." Good to know. If falling to death, it is suggested I pull parachute 😁 Awesome information in this video though! Thanks!
I thank you for showing these types of video. I've been dreaming about trying this sail plane thing. Again, I think you have great video's I wish there was something near the East coast of United States.
You should do it sometime! There are normally clubs everywhere, have a look on the Soaring Society of America website to find one near you! www.ssa.org/WhereToFlyMap.asp
@@PureGlide I speak as someone who has HAD to jump. I had slight problem with a Caproni at 1,500’. One wing snapped off together with the tailplane. A trouser changing moment.
Really interesting and useful video!!It is very nice to see how a real parachute opens and understand how it is packed and how it opens when you need it. I thought you do not have any directional control with this type of parachute. Thanks for the video!!!
Ask whoever packs your parachute about steering your parachute and what you need to know about it. It is also good to be able to pull the ripcord too and most riggers would be fine with this when getting it for repack.
Thx for the brilliant and very complete video. I am gonna use it for theory lessons for my students. @ anyone familiar with the parachute topic in Germany: Having the same thing in German would be event better.
Hab für meinen BEV-Unterricht lediglich Texte gefunden. Wenn es Dich interessiert kann ich diese Link´s auch posten. Ansonsten so ähnliche Inhalte, leider keines in deutsch mit dem spezifischen Segelfluginhalt. Gleitschirm Retter Auslösung "Rettungsschirm - Performance Training. Lehrfilm des DHV" th-cam.com/video/saxBQFpWdZs/w-d-xo.html Segelflug Rettungsschirm ohne Kommentar aber man sieht die Rundkappe "Wie funktioniert ein Rettungsfallschirm? " th-cam.com/video/-HC9uJz_N6g/w-d-xo.html Einblicke in den Packsack eines "normalen" Fallschirms "Fallschirm Reserve Öffnung - Ulli Wambach's Fallschirmkunde-Seminar" Leider ist Ulli bei einem Base-Jump ums Leben gekommen th-cam.com/video/qhF0kPGO4PI/w-d-xo.html Den Blogartikel von Philipp Keller hätte ich gerne gelesen (Notabspung Hahnweidewettbewerb 2018), der ist aber wieder offline genommen worden. Hier ein Erfahrungsbericht wieder in Englisch, auch dieser Notabsprung erfolgte im Zuge eines Wettbewerbs. "G Dale - Bailout Advice" th-cam.com/video/cDXIxHAmSX0/w-d-xo.html Vielleicht für den Segelflug ein wenig übertrieben, aber die Entscheidung für den Absprung muss trotzdem rechtzeitig getroffen werden. "Ejection Decision - A second Too Late! (1981)" th-cam.com/video/Aa1Ba_NEobs/w-d-xo.html
Great videos thanks. Any advice on what to do with the glider before leaving it?… wouldn’t be a good feeling to watch your glider fly towards a built up area from the safety of your parachute!
Great question! I suspect you won't really have time to trim it forward or backwards, or whatever is best, so not sure it's worth worrying about too much! The Weight/balance is completely wrong once the pilot leaves, so not sure which would be the best action
Curious to hear comment about what you would consider minum safe altitude to use chute and how that is effected by situation i.e speed/direction/other.
I think it’s a few hundred feet to have it deployed and work perfectly, however if I needed it, I would activate it at any altitude even if I was lower. Can’t make things worse!
A really informative video, thank you both. On the subject of how hard it is to pull the ripcord; I have twice, when showing them how to use the parachute had a person who had not flown before manage to deploy the 'chute on the ground: "oh! you don't have to pull hard do you!" Always good for a laugh! Our Club now has a very clearly marked "dummy" 'chute for fitting and rehearsal purposes. How did you get on in Omarama? I only know you managed second on the first day (always read the rule book!), what happened on the other days? Best wishes John
Hi, since I actually jumped out 2019 I think I have to make a video about this. Bottom line is to use FROM THE FIRST SECOND you decide to leave the glider maximum force to open the canopy and then maximum power to climb out.
Maybe I missed it in the video, but what is the minimum altitude to jump for the parachute to have time to deploy and be useful? I was taught never jump out below 700 meters but I have heard discussion saying it could be used lower than that. And 700 meters sounds high to me.
Hello - I am sorry - I am in the progress to get my license in Williams, we fly an Ask21 - I am in California and way 90kg. What is a brand you recommend? Is it recommended to have an automatic opening release? Thank you.
As you're in a America, I suggest looking at Strong parachutes. Or look at the shops that sell gliding gear such as cumulus soaring or wings and wheels to see their range. They are all good quality, and will do the job.
hi everyone I fly PG since 30 years in Switzerland and two years in north India. I had a near death experience, 28 years ago. PG where horrible dangerous monsters at that time. lucky I did only brocke my ankle , but the impact was so strong, that I had the sensation of being out of my body.it made me fly even more. and the PG became incredible good and save. I always fly with a parachute, and I did some tests over water . i have one question . how do you get out of the plain???
Yeah some gliders do have them, or it’s an option. It also has to be serviced or replaced every x years due to the explosives on board! Also it won’t help you if there’s an onboard fire. So any electric glider pilots really should wear a parachute!
Good video - just hope that, during these difficult times, everyone is keeping they 'packer' up!!! (Sorry, British humour...) BTW Where do I get an 'Emergency Pecker'??
One question I have is related to when to pull the d-ring. Does it matter how you're orientated? For example, If you were falling with your back facing the ground or I would assume chest down would be better. What if you are tumbling through the air? Is there an optimal position to be in vs a position to avoid at all costs when pulling the ring??? Oh, and great video. Keep em coming. :)
The general advice I've heard is pull immediately and you will quickly end up the right way? I suspect if you have had sky diving training you might be able to right yourself first with the arms out position, like you see Jim in the video when he demonstrates pulling his chute. But I'm not an expert, so don't trust anything I say here.
Being stable in freefall and face to earth is optimal, but pulling the ripcord before impact is absolutely essential! If you can survive whatever catastrophe caused you to have to bail out, successfully undo your glider harness, eject the canopy and get out of a likely spinning aircraft just focus on the main points. LOOK for the handle...GRIP the handle and PULL the handle firmly. You will just have enough time to think "It's not working" before your are jerked upright! Breathe (a couple of deep breaths) then orient yourself and work out the steering, assess the drift and pick a nice landing spot.
Hi Tim, I am a Uk OAP and an ex hang glider pilot and now a paraglider flyer. I wear a flying harness with a hand thrown reserve parachute for those unwanted situations, not happened yet and hopefully never will. I noticed in this video that you concentrated on the harness chest straps ( this adjustment is also very important in paragliding ) but appeared to neglected mentioning anything about the webbing and buckles in the crotch area and how they should be adjusted for optimum comfort and safety under deployment, or did I miss it in the video
@@PureGlide I watch your videos and enjoy your passion for flying, and the country you get to fly in, flying in the UK is very busy, but now, due to covid19 lock down, all recreational flying has come to a halt , thank God for TH-cam so I can get my fix, all be it 3rd party
Hi Will, Jim here. I think it is possible to "overthink" or overstate the importance of leg strap adjustment. Modern round emergency parachute harnesses are quite forgiving and provided the snaps are correctly fastned, the worst that will come from sub optimal adjustment will be discomfort on opening. Glider pilots may spend many hours sitting in the harness so it should be comfortablly snug and evenly adjusted to keep the chest strap level horizontally. The reason I focused on the chest strap is because of the tendency to think "tighter must be better" when in fact overtightening the chest strap will misalign the main lift webs and put stress on one point of a stitching block designed to be evenly loaded. (Note that a chest strap which appears loose when sitting will become snug when standing erect or under an open canopy). Regardless, the construction is robust and openings with less than ten seconds in freefall will be more gentle than the standard forces on skydivers usually falling at about 200kph (120mph). As always, when dropping your parachute off for scheduled inspection and repack, ask your rigger about the proper fit and adjustment for best results.
@@jimmaclean6165 Thanks for the information, the major problem with a reserve chute in paragliding is that the only harness available is the one you use to support you when flying.. This needs to have the leg loops fairly loose so as to allow to get your landing tackle down (legs) quick and neat. This means that the leg loop adjustment is always a compromise. As our main wing is a steerable double skin parachute already, our reserves are mandatory in every way and they get deployed often across the paragliding fraternity when in rough air. Its a bit bonkers paragliding but the main attraction is to be able to put your flying machine in the boot of your car. I fancied sail planning but due to my all up weight it was difficult to find a light weight CFI to take me up without exceeding the total weight limit of the glider. I know, should go on a diet
Best wishes for future even larger success with your channel, Tim. Stumbled over it by happy incident, great stuff! This episode demonstrates, that you are also not at all mudget-like. And the clip related question: How would I fit into which glider with 6 feet 5.6 inches (99cm inner leg length, hence not too long back) AND a parachute on? More than 2 decades ago I took a taste at a sniffer gliding day cruise in an ASK21, which the club typically uses for absolute beginners' courses in Lower Saxony here around the corner. Which I was - and stayed, unfortunately..., since only without a parachute I would have been able to squeesze myself into the front... So, where would you recommend that I get an overview on school gliders' trainee height limits? Another club here took a strict limit not to allow students over 195cm - which I am... Or don't you see a chance at all? Looking forward to a realistic judgement. Best regards from nighty - but not at all mighty (Judge yourselves lucky with your scenery!) - Berlin!
Hi yes that's tricky, I'm 6'4" 193cm and only just fit in many gliders. So I wouldn't want to be taller. I suspect the back seat of some training twins would fit you better than the front seat. Maybe suggest that, even though it's not normal to train in the backseat. We don't wear a parachute while training in twins, so that is an option for you too. Then I'd suggest you find a single seat aircraft that can handle someone that tall and get solo in it. Our club has an Astir, it can handle someone big, and I used to fit happily, so it might take taller as well.
@@PureGlide Hi Tim. Test-seated couple of gliders. Need an Astir. Suits. But would need one with R/C-teacher, unfortunately. Mind my German: Astir: ✅ ASK21B??? ASK21: Keine Chance. Kopf! LS4: Nach Pilz-Aussägung wegen Knie-Beine ggf. möglich DuoDiscus: passte, wenn ich nicht steuern müsste. Was eine Scheißspastikerhandhaltung!!!!??? Wer baut denn sowas???
Thanks again for your feed-back and many many happy landings (Yesterday there was a start incident at the other club where colleagues joined and I originally wanted to check, too. Scary stuff.)
Hi Will, Swapped one of our T shirts with a visiting Texan Firefighter. Most long serving firefighters will have a bunch of them particularly if they travel a bit.
Very worthwhile VLOG. Always good to revisit safety issues. Great tips on feet, knee & ankle positioning. I'd never given much thought to the way in which the parachute canopy opens so Tim's explanation was very interesting (the canopy opens from the top - not the bottom). In the UK we are trained to pull the handle down towards our left foot (the logic being that the cable passes over one's left shoulder and therefore the least resistance in the pulling force comes from a downward motion (as opposed to a lateral motion off to the right). Having said that, I have always suspected that a surge in adrenalin would ensure that whatever way the handle is pulled - it would have a very similar result ! Keep making the gliding related VLOG's ! Really enjoying them. Thanks ! P.S. I found the following TH-cam video on landings also very helpful : th-cam.com/video/PiLyqGu2XKI/w-d-xo.html
Warning: Having the parachute on and watching this video, although good 1st step, might not be good enough as there is knowledge and experience to everything, especially if it happens:1. fast, 2. under stress, 3. with injury OR 2 out of 3 or ALL THREE. I. It takes time for the shoot to open and slow you down. So, your safety is related to height. If you are too low, the canopy will still be useful to nicely cover your body on the way to the morgue. What is too low? That is dependent on your airspeed, but several hundred ft. or 200-250 m. would be minimum depending on your forward speed while starting to fall down. II. Don't pull the ripcord handle until you are away from your broken glider, likely not flying straight at that critical point of the rest of your life. You don't want glider tail or any part of it, to hook your opening canopy or lines. That's why paratroopers count 'one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi AND THEN PULL the ripcord. 3 seconds is meant to clear the aircraft. Glider is much smaller than big(er) planes skydivers or paratroopers jump from so 2 seconds maybe OK bud NOT the very moment you lose canopy and exit. III. Practice on the ground with the instructor. how to lose the canopy FIRST and then unbuckle yourself from the seat BUT not from the parachute harness! IV. Landing with that canopy over you is also pretty critical. Avoid trees, but especially electrical wires. Yes, I did shoot down electric in the whole village, by blowing up the transformer while shortening the wires between the electrical pole and the barn. (380v). They were v. hard to see against the ground. Land against the wind, not with the wind. 'Breaking the leg' is not 'the lucky strike'. If you are going into some deep or unknown water, get out of the harness at 10-20 ft. above water, so the canopy will not cover you, preventing breathing and swimming and tangling you while in the water. It is trickier done than describe here since the water could be 30 cm. deep or 3+ m deep and from the air it hard to tell. Etc.
P.S. It takes more than few jumps to be able to control your body in the freefall. Emergency parachute opens REALLY QUICK with lots of kinetic sensation, co bend your knees and put your hands on your ass so you don't tumble thru the air too much while the parachute is opening. And so, you hands or legs don't go into the lines as they are flying away in that critical second, two or three, before the parachute fully opens and jerks you head up and legs down and not the other way around. I once accidently touched the lines as they were flying away and got local skin burn at the place of contact with these pesky lines!
Could you wear one of these in GA? Would I get funny looks if I asked to wear one in a Cessna? I'm not trying to be funny - I have had a few Cessna lessons after originally flying paragliders, hang gliders and sailplanes. All had reserves... Why not Cessna pilots? I always feel quite ill-at-ease taking off with no safety net should the controls lock up or we have a mid-air. Subscribed, Notified and Liked.
Sure, I would be delighted if you wanted to send it through. I haven't done any subtitles before so not sure what is involved. Contact me at pear.co.nz
The question is fairly serious, as many pilots (incl. me) run their relief system tube underneath leg straps. I unintentionaly tested it detaches without problem if you try to leave a glider without unplugging, but I sometimes forget to properly readjust leg strap after using the tube. Btw. maybe relief systems deserve their own video, as the topic is taboo way too often without a valid reason. Cheers from Poland
From an ex-jumper.Reserves open very quickly with a real jolt. So, Leg straps should always be properly adjusted but not over tight. Otherwise you might be speaking in a squeaky voice for awhile!
I realize this is old, but if anyone is watching the comments: at what altitude does the parachute no longer become effective? IE its only effective 3000ft above ground due to deployment time? Just curious
Good question. 3000 ft? If you are exiting the glider or a plane going say 40-50 kts, even 300 ft. will do. On the other hand imagine getting out of a basket of failing hot air balloon. 300 ft. will likely kill you since the parachute will not have enough time and energy of the air resistance to open. Pls. see my other post here several min. ago.
>'the glider or a plane going say 40-50+ kts, even 300 ft.' I meant in the semi horizontal flight, not nose down. So it all depends on the initial speed of the jumper. The faster INITIALLY he/she goes thru the air, the quicker the emergency parachute will open. So to simplify, in the 1st second of a free fall the speed of a jumper = speed of the craft she or he just got out from. That's speeds up parachute opening process, hence shortening the time to fully deploy the canopy. Typically you don't want to jump with less than 1000 -1200 ft. if you are in the slow craft, depending how slow or how fast.
Practice the landing fall (PLF) as much as possible so that it becomes instinctive,one thing not mentioned is your depth perception is non existent.So as you approach the ground (chin down on your chest),although you can see the ground you can't judge the distance correctly.The gound will appear to rush up and smack you in the feet,it is crucial that your feet are turned well away from the direction of travel and paralell to the ground otherwise like me you'll get pulled forward and bend all your toes at rightangles to the instep (painful).I also had impact fractures to all of the bones in the instep because my toes were pointing slightly down,Once I healed I did it again ang got it right............................................................
@@PureGlide good lead, the strongs are 500 bucks off if you wanna wait 6 months for one, I only knew about softie and butler, their lead time is 6 months too
In the 1980s an RAF Bulldog aircraft got into a flat spin. The pilot, an instructor exited the aircraft, but, as the practice at the time was to leave the parachute in the aircraft when landed, he followed his muscle memory practice and left his perfectly serviceable parachute in the spinning aircraft as he fell to his death. After that the practice was changed to putting on and taking off the parachute outside of the aircraft.
Yes you fall back to muscle memory one you’re under extreme stress!
Jim packed reserves for me im the 1990's. Nice to see him still out and about
Yeah he does a great job and we're very thankful he comes down and makes the effort for us.
Great learning! often you don't get to deploy or even see you parachute open.
Exactly why I wanted to make this video! Glad you enjoyed it
As soon as he said “New Zealand”...automatic thumb up!
Yeah nah yeah
@@PureGlide yeah nah
Wow! What a brilliant video, Tim. You do perform a very useful function with your films: thank you.
For those of us who have not ( and hope to never have to) actually used a parachute it was great to hear some of the finer details. It's also nice to know that I was not talking out of my bottom hole when briefing students on their use! I didn't realise that steering was as 'easy' on a conical canopy and it's nice to know that 250kV power lines can be avoided!!!. I always used to tell people to land with feet & knees together and legs bent but I'm not sure how I arrived at that instruction: I think it was probably from watching too many war films when I was a kid or maybe stepping off a kerb and landing on a stiff heel just made it bloody obvious!! :-)
Interestingly though, it is something I have never heard even very experienced (gliding) instructors relate to their students. I have always thought I should go and do a jump just to experience the event but I have never summoned up the 'balls' to do it!! LoL
Great glad you liked it! Yeah I wasn't aware you could steer most of them either, so it's good to be aware of incase you're in that situation. Hopefully never are, but you never know...
@@PureGlide I know one pilot who bailed after a mid-air during a comp and clearly did land with his legs bent - to such a degree that he ended up in hospital from facial injuries where his knees said 'hello' to his jaw and nose!! I guess like most things, it's a question of moderation! Incidentally, I too, was once a firefighter, so say please say 'hi' to Jim from a fraternal soul.
@@grahambambrook313 Hi Graham and respects to you from a Kiwi Firefighter. The "knees to chin and nose" suggest the person arrived vertically with no horizontal movement. It is also possible he was looking down at the ground which is a mistake as landing under canopy you touch down a half second later than you expect instinctively from every other jump you have made and you may reflexively bring your legs up in surprise ruining your planned landing! Despite my training I did that too on my first (intentional) parachute jump with a round parachute, luckily I was 42 years younger and thirty kilos lighter so only my pride was injured. Best plan is to set up for landing and look out ahead until touchdown.
Great video Tim. What a pleasure to see Jim again; I remember him from the Whenuapai DZ in the early 80s. A real gentleman and a great teacher/instructor.
Thanks Tim! Glad you enjoyed it
I wonder how often anyone has actually had to use a Parachute in a glider. From what I have read most of them were mid-air collisions while in a thermal with lot of other gliders. I have seen a few videos where several up to 10 gliders rotating in a single thermal I could see how easy it would be to collide just being the fact that your turning and difficult to see.
The most I’ve flown with in a single gaggle is about 40, in the world champs in Australia. There were only 2 mid air collisions that comp and 2 successful bail outs and no deaths. Here in NZ a few years ago a pilot had to bail out of a glider because the controls jammed up, due to something falling down to jam them
I know of several people who have used an emergency parachute. I’ll give you the reasons. 1. Elevator not connected on a wire launch. 2. Two from mid-air collisions. 3. Structural failure due lighting strike. Mine? A mid-air break up following flap deployment and a design fault. My advice to anyone bailing out. A. Decide to go while you have time. B. Release the canopy. It may well NOT come off. C. Whether the canopy comes off or not, release your seat straps. You may well be flung out. D. Bring your hands together up to your chest. E. Look for and then grab and pull the cord. F. The rest is style.
Hi. Nice video.
Input to the subject I learned some time ago:
When landing in trees... keep you arm crossed in front of you and keep you elbows tight pressed into the side of you body.
This will help to protect the big blood wessels under your arm pits to be punched open by the tree branches. A bleeding from these big blood wessels in the arm pit area, is very hard to block.
This is also one of the reasons that the knee's is keep tightly together, to hinder puncture of the big blood wessels in the groin area.
When landing on water: release the straps immediately after hitting the surface, but not before. Dive deep, stay deep and swim upwind (you were facing into the wind before touchdown, weren't you? So it's straight forward from your point of view) until you are well away from the canopy, only then swim to surface. All this to avoid being entangled with the lines or getting trapped under the canopy.
Thanks for the comments! I can see there are a lot of topics around jumping out of an aircraft :)
@@juhakettunen7971 It can be a big subject, but there is plenty of good advice available both from the Parachute manufacturers and military sources if they still use round parachutes. If your parachute is steerable and you are able to land facing into wind the canopy will land behind you. Undo your harness and swim forward away from it. If the canopy lands on top of you, follow a radial seam the the edge to get out from under, disconnect and swim out and away from it.
Look, reach, pull and if you can think about it, pull in direct line away from the cable housing, (not at 90 degrees to the housing) which in most cases will be downwards and away. Practice without actually pulling, LOOK, REACH, PULL (think about the direction of pull) and recovering both arms into a wide ‘Y’ which will help stabilise your body. 👍
Had no idea how they worked so thank you very much. Don't ever wish to have to use one,
Glad I could help!
A point to bear in mind. These canopy's forward 'drive' is only about walking speed in still air. So once it's fully open, look down between your feet straight away & note your drift across the ground, turn away from any upcoming ground hazards as early as possible, remember - your steering will only turn you & the canopy to face another direction, it's the 'both-hands-up straight-drive' that will carry you to safety - so keep things facing the right way & allow it enough time to get you there! : )
Excellent overview. Thanks a bunch for posting this!
Glad you liked it, cheers!
Start of our season Rigging 2ZC this weekend and donning our chute for the first time in a while. This never gets old and its great to put this stuff back into focus. BTW the "OK I'm ready" joke it still makes me chuckle
Glad it's useful! Cheers
Loving your channel. Great content and really well put together.... this is the best single explanation of deploying a emergency chute I have seen. Your 'assistant' 😁 was first class.....
Haha cheers
Excellent discussion on usage of parachute. For pilots in two seaters after a midair there may be no time to spare for discussion.
Perhaps in preflight briefing:
"If my canopy comes off, you should be leaving too."
Comments?
Agreed, I remember reading in Europe a trial flight passenger and instructor managed to parachute to safety.
@@PureGlide Wasn't that after the plane disintegrated due to a lighning strike?
My instructor always said "if I shout BAIL, don't ask why. You'll be talking to yourself by then" 😂
This guy makes really good content!
Oh cheers mate!
I’m doing the exactly thing in the Israel Air Force, and it so nice to see it from the American side. I would love more videos like this. ❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it! Although note we are in New Zealand, not America :)
Well done! Reminds me of the days when we skydivers used to jump military-surplus round parachutes (pre-1985). FAA Master Parachute Rigger: back, seat and chest. Formerly worked for Butler, Para-Phernalia and Rigging Innovations.
what's the cheapest out there for these emerg parachutes?
Thanks Tim for another first class instructional video. Thanks also to Jim for always making time for a chat during his full annual repacking days.
Jim's always keen to share!
You're welcome! The credit goes to Tim for making and sharing the video with those most likely to find it useful! (He's a great chef too, doing a beautiful gourmet "post video" meal in his camper)
@@jimmaclean6165 Gidday Jim! I was trying to track down your email to send you this, glad you found it :) Maybe you could answer a couple of the other good questions in the comments?
@@PureGlide cheers Tim, I have shared it on my facebook too. David Todd told me about it and where to find it. I check my work e mail every day and it's james.maclean@fireandemergency.nz if you want to drop me a line anytime.
It is always good to have a “Plan B” (second chance). 👍
It sure is!
Thanks Tim, that was fantastic!
Cheers!
Very, very useful. Thank you for your brilliant video! I learnt to fly gliders last summer, and we cannot test-pull the parachute, because the nearest packer is 800 km away at the other end of the country, where we send them in winter for annual repacking. So it was great to see how this actually works. 👍😎
Glad it helped! Yes that is a problem when you have to post them away to be re-packed. I guess you could pop it before you post it just to try :)
Why not learn to pack your own? 👍
When I was in the Navy we would repack inspect parachutes every 210 days . The ones I worked on were used in ejection seats and had explosive cartridges and ballistic spreader guns and we're controlled by a barometric trigger . Little bit different than hop and pop .
Very interesting, our paraglider reserve is definitely a lot smaller but of course not designed for free fall deployment, basically used when we have a collapse or situation that makes our glider a tangled mess and un flyable so we will already have some drag as we are plummeting towards the ground when we deploy our reserve, very cool seeing how your safety chute works.
Hey yeah it’s interesting how the paraglider ones almost have to go out sideways to clear the glider. Cheers!
@@PureGlide yea, and I’m sure you have seen the videos of the glider coming around and eating the reserve, when I decide to go ahead and do a SIV I want to have two reserve’s just in case
Excellent video-material about chute and how it actually works! Thank you, Tim!
Very welcome!
Thanks from Florida
No problem!
Thank you very for much for this great video!!! Before I became a parachute rigger myself last year, I didn't know much about the emergency parachutes I have been wearing for years... a little bit shocking in hindsight. These emergency devices are luckily taken for granted nowadays (mostly), but a little bit more awareness of their functionality will definitely be useful for the worst case we all hope to never experience. Therefore this video is very eductional for all glider pilots and I will share it and reference it!
Excellent, I'm very pleased it's useful! All thanks to Jim for so much useful information...
Very good video for ab initio pilots or someone who wants to fly occasionally as a 'refresher'. I had the luxury of a MB mk5 seat on the one and only exit from an aircraft in flight nearly 35 years ago. It was a painful experience even after spending many hours training and re-training for such an episode. The parachute descent was quite calm, although I had severe back pain with a ruptured L2/3 vertebrate fracture. Never flew FJ again.
Thank you for sharing
Andrew I can only imagine what landing a round parachute with a fractured Lumbar vertebrae would be like, let alone the drama of ejecting from a Fighter Jet. The ejection forces are brutal and injuries not uncommon as they know the setup for what would usually be a smooth and injury free ejection would increase the time taken for the process. The ballistic Spreader which fires open the parachute on a "zero/zero" seat (not the older MB) can cause injury on its own! Respects to you for your military service, I am glad you can still fly and share the skies still.
There is one more thing to consider before jumping. Do I really need to jump? In most cases there is not enough time to think about it but in some there is. I've had two gliders midair collision. The other glider has been cut into two pieces (tail section and front cockpit and wings section), the other pilot HAD TO jump. That's what he did. My glider was damaged but I had almost full control. It's been almost two years since the accident but I still ask myself. Should have I jumped out? In the air assesment of the damages is not an easy thing. You are unable to see all parts of the glider, you may only imagine what happened, you may feel that on the stick and pedals. I've been wondering for a long time if I made a good decision of staying in the aircraft.
Thinking the other way. What could have happened if I have jumped out? 1. I couldn't be sure whether the parachute would open. 2. There was a forest beneath, landing would be difficult, so would be the rescue mission. 3. The major one. I was flying glider that was very difficult to get out from. I'm rather a tall person and now I think I would not succeed in leaving a glider.
My advice is. Always be prepared, briefed for the jump. Know your glider as well as the parachute you're wearing. Before every flight take a quick look at the terrain map of the place you are going to fly to know where to find "safe spots" not only for outlanding but also for landing with a parachute. The thing I will always tell everyone. LOOK OUT THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD. Don't stare at your vario, navi. Take into account that the flarm may not work, or the other glider may not be equipped with it. Stay safe, fly nice and enjoy gliding.
Hi thanks for sharing, I was thinking a chat to people who have jumped out would be an interesting video in the future!
G Dale a leading UK coach (over 10k hours), who has survived a mid-air by jumping, argues that if the collision is to the rear of your glider you should jump as you don't know how bad the damage is. the controls might feel OK but something serious might break on finals!
If your aircraft is controllable there is no need to jump. Usually it will quickly become obvious. You landed safely so your assessment was correct. Landing safely is always the objective!
There are also discussion points about making the decision in the first place, only the survivors say it was quite obvious, and how to get out of an aircraft that may not be flying straight and level. It is hard to get out of a high performance single-seater glider even after a normal landing while wearing a 'chute, which is why some people undo the parachute straps first. Standing up from a reclining position while pulling more than 1 g is even harder. Also watch "G Dale - Bailout Advice" on TH-cam
Yeah absolutely that's probably a whole other video to make yet!
Somerhing that I wasn’t expecting, when I popped a chute for re-packing, is that the rip-cord comes away COMPLETELY from the chute. For some reason this came as a complete shock to me. I was assured that if I was doing this for real, I wouldn’t notice but it’s something to be aware of. If you have time, you can tuck it away somewhere safe, (it fits over your hand and onto your wrist) otherwise just discard it and concentrate on flying something you’ve probably never thought you’d use.
Yeah good point!
Better not put it over your wrist, it might break your wrist on landing. Let it go, no use of saving it, remember: You just lost a whole glider!
@@jurgentantau9358 You can leave it in your hand as you steer or stuff it in the front of your shirt. The only time you must throw it away is if it looks like you will land in power lines.
I always wondered why glider pilots wore a chute. Although the risks are similar in powered aircraft, we don’t wear one and is only seen in aerobatics or civilian owned military aircraft. In my opinion, a parachute doesn’t always guarantee survivability as there are many complex variables during collisions or in flight breakups. I suppose the low speed of most gliders have less energy therefore less catastrophic and could give the pilot more time to react.
Yeah, we fly close to many other gliders, thus the chance of a mid air collision is a lot higher than normal aircraft. I know several people around the world saved by their parachutes due to a mid air collision. In one World Champs I attended, 2 people were saved with their parachutes.
I actually got into skydiving, speed flying, packing etc so that I can be prepared for when I start gliding and sports flying - I have a pilot pack now I just need a Discus or JS1
Haha yes
thanks, im a sailflying Pilot in Germany, learning for my exam. Hope, i i ll never see the parachute opening up
If you're A glider Pilot then you should do at least one Parachute Jump, Under canopy on a round Chute,you will be descending at 16 feet a second minimum, and its important to know how to locate a landing zone and aim for it under canopy and make sure your legs are positioned correctly when hitting your landing zone, another piece of advice is to locate the handle before leaving the glider with both hands that way when tumbling towards the ground you won't be fishing around for the Ripcord and a controlled jump on a static line from an aircraft will let you know exactly what you're up against in an emergency situation and the necessity to exit the Glider at a safe altitude if you need to.All sport parachute training jumps on a round are carried out at a minimum of 2000. feet.
Thank you so much for this informative video, it helps a lot. Maybe it is possible to add some information about automatic parachutes? Also a very important disclaimer: a parachute only helps, when there is enough hight. Maybe a tutorial on how to actually jump out of the glider might be helpful too....
Thanks for the comments, and yes there's plenty of room for more videos about parachutes!
@@PureGlide Totally agree and can't wait for your great content!
German gliders often had a hardpoint attachment for static line deployed emergency parachutes. German made emergency chutes like the Buchsein still have static lines which can be used without intefearing with the ripcord deployment. Talk to your instructor or e mail the manufacturer of the parachute you use for more information.
@@jimmaclean6165 Unfortunately this is not the reason why I made this point. I lost a glider friend to this fact so pls be respectful. A parachute doesn‘t help when you are too low...Also I have never experienced what you have described among „german gliders“. This might be a wrong impression.
This was awesome, a true expert explanation. Thank you :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid as usual! Far cry from the ones I once used in the military, much more comfortable
Oh really! Yeah I guess if we are sitting on it for hours a bit of comfort is good :)
@@PureGlide true, but those are designed for being able to carry all your gear strapped to each side and to attach the rest of the gear strapped to ones thighs. So very uncomfortable for sure
Very well done. Might I suggest that you also do a video demonstrating the popping of the canopy and exiting the glider. Many pilots have never been properly trained in the popping of canopy.
Thanks, yes will do one on the intricacies of actually bailing out at some stage!
@@PureGlide I also heard that these emergency shutes, unlike your normal parachutes, can't be opened at high speed as they are not strong enough and can't handle the g's associated with terminal velocity.
Is this a myth ? I heard that this is why you can't physically cut your harness free from a hang glider to avoid wing tangle and then pull while in your falling in your harness as you'll have too much speed for chute. Also, I would assume that these emergency shutes are a lot cheaper. Where have they saved the money.
Thanks, love you channel.
@@deanfitzgerald8063 I've never heard that before, but I would have to ask Jim to confirm. I would think it's a myth, I would imagine they are designed to open at any speed. I've certainly heard stories of people being knocked unconscious on the way out of the aircraft, then coming to and opening their chute a second or two before it's too late. So that must be near terminal velocity.
@@deanfitzgerald8063 Certainly hang glider and paraglider reserves aren’t designed to handle free fall velocities. I would imagine glider reserves are.
Nice! Very complete.
Thanks! There's still other useful information not covered here e.g. how to actually bail out, but it's a good starter!
12:13 "If you ever have the opportunity to pull your parachute I suggest you do it."
Good to know. If falling to death, it is suggested I pull parachute 😁
Awesome information in this video though! Thanks!
Ha exactly! That's the thing with Parachutes. If you need one, you'll be pleased to have one.
I thank you for showing these types of video. I've been dreaming about trying this sail plane thing. Again, I think you have great video's I wish there was something near the East coast of United States.
You should do it sometime! There are normally clubs everywhere, have a look on the Soaring Society of America website to find one near you! www.ssa.org/WhereToFlyMap.asp
@@PureGlide Thank you!
Excellent stuff. So many glider pilots know so little about their parachute! Which club do you fly from?
Cheers! I fly from Piako Gliding Club in Matamata. Here's a tour of the area over our winter season th-cam.com/video/LDLj_hTRF9Y/w-d-xo.html
That was a great instructional video.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
@@PureGlide I speak as someone who has HAD to jump. I had slight problem with a Caproni at 1,500’. One wing snapped off together with the tailplane. A trouser changing moment.
Very informative!
Cheers!
Good informative video! skydiver and paraglider pilot here! I like Emergency chutes :)
Thank you!
Really interesting and useful video!!It is very nice to see how a real parachute opens and understand how it is packed and how it opens when you need it. I thought you do not have any directional control with this type of parachute. Thanks for the video!!!
Glad it helped!
Ask whoever packs your parachute about steering your parachute and what you need to know about it. It is also good to be able to pull the ripcord too and most riggers would be fine with this when getting it for repack.
Thx for the brilliant and very complete video. I am gonna use it for theory lessons for my students.
@ anyone familiar with the parachute topic in Germany: Having the same thing in German would be event better.
Glad it was helpful, cheers
Hab für meinen BEV-Unterricht lediglich Texte gefunden. Wenn es Dich interessiert kann ich diese Link´s auch posten.
Ansonsten so ähnliche Inhalte, leider keines in deutsch mit dem spezifischen Segelfluginhalt.
Gleitschirm Retter Auslösung "Rettungsschirm - Performance Training. Lehrfilm des DHV"
th-cam.com/video/saxBQFpWdZs/w-d-xo.html
Segelflug Rettungsschirm ohne Kommentar aber man sieht die Rundkappe "Wie funktioniert ein Rettungsfallschirm?
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th-cam.com/video/-HC9uJz_N6g/w-d-xo.html
Einblicke in den Packsack eines "normalen" Fallschirms "Fallschirm Reserve Öffnung - Ulli Wambach's Fallschirmkunde-Seminar"
Leider ist Ulli bei einem Base-Jump ums Leben gekommen
th-cam.com/video/qhF0kPGO4PI/w-d-xo.html
Den Blogartikel von Philipp Keller hätte ich gerne gelesen (Notabspung Hahnweidewettbewerb 2018), der ist aber wieder offline genommen worden.
Hier ein Erfahrungsbericht wieder in Englisch, auch dieser Notabsprung erfolgte im Zuge eines Wettbewerbs. "G Dale - Bailout Advice"
th-cam.com/video/cDXIxHAmSX0/w-d-xo.html
Vielleicht für den Segelflug ein wenig übertrieben, aber die Entscheidung für den Absprung muss trotzdem rechtzeitig getroffen werden. "Ejection Decision - A second Too Late! (1981)"
th-cam.com/video/Aa1Ba_NEobs/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video, thank you!
You are welcome!
Good vid. Good refresher and hadn't considered the buckle smacking you in the face.
Either you are very tall, or he is very short (maybe both)
Both! Cheers for watching :)
Great videos thanks. Any advice on what to do with the glider before leaving it?… wouldn’t be a good feeling to watch your glider fly towards a built up area from the safety of your parachute!
Great question! I suspect you won't really have time to trim it forward or backwards, or whatever is best, so not sure it's worth worrying about too much! The Weight/balance is completely wrong once the pilot leaves, so not sure which would be the best action
This is a great channel.
Thanks mate!
Curious to hear comment about what you would consider minum safe altitude to use chute and how that is effected by situation i.e speed/direction/other.
I think it’s a few hundred feet to have it deployed and work perfectly, however if I needed it, I would activate it at any altitude even if I was lower. Can’t make things worse!
A really informative video, thank you both.
On the subject of how hard it is to pull the ripcord; I have twice, when showing them how to use the parachute had a person who had not flown before manage to deploy the 'chute on the ground: "oh! you don't have to pull hard do you!" Always good for a laugh! Our Club now has a very clearly marked "dummy" 'chute for fitting and rehearsal purposes.
How did you get on in Omarama? I only know you managed second on the first day (always read the rule book!), what happened on the other days?
Best wishes
John
Thanks John, and more videos from Omarama coming soon! I just wanted to break it up a bit
Hi, since I actually jumped out 2019 I think I have to make a video about this. Bottom line is to use FROM THE FIRST SECOND you decide to leave the glider maximum force to open the canopy and then maximum power to climb out.
Hi that would be great if you did!
A great video, thank you.
Thanks!
Maybe I missed it in the video, but what is the minimum altitude to jump for the parachute to have time to deploy and be useful? I was taught never jump out below 700 meters but I have heard discussion saying it could be used lower than that. And 700 meters sounds high to me.
Yeah about that, but If I need it, and I’m a bit lower, I’m still going to try!
Hello - I am sorry - I am in the progress to get my license in Williams, we fly an Ask21 - I am in California and way 90kg. What is a brand you recommend? Is it recommended to have an automatic opening release? Thank you.
As you're in a America, I suggest looking at Strong parachutes. Or look at the shops that sell gliding gear such as cumulus soaring or wings and wheels to see their range. They are all good quality, and will do the job.
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I fly PG since 30 years in Switzerland and two years in north India. I had a near death experience, 28 years ago. PG where horrible dangerous monsters at that time. lucky I did only brocke my ankle , but the impact was so strong, that I had the sensation of being out of my body.it made me fly even more. and the PG became incredible good and save. I always fly with a parachute, and I did some tests over water .
i have one question . how do you get out of the plain???
Hi thanks for sharing. All gliders have a way to release the canopy, so you can escape. Although it's not always easy depending what is happening!
what about a ballistic chute for the whole plane?
yeah, it's not cheap and weighs a bit, but...
Yeah some gliders do have them, or it’s an option. It also has to be serviced or replaced every x years due to the explosives on board! Also it won’t help you if there’s an onboard fire. So any electric glider pilots really should wear a parachute!
Good video - just hope that, during these difficult times, everyone is keeping they 'packer' up!!! (Sorry, British humour...) BTW Where do I get an 'Emergency Pecker'??
Ha I’m not sure I can help you find a pecker sorry 😬
One question I have is related to when to pull the d-ring. Does it matter how you're orientated? For example, If you were falling with your back facing the ground or I would assume chest down would be better. What if you are tumbling through the air? Is there an optimal position to be in vs a position to avoid at all costs when pulling the ring??? Oh, and great video. Keep em coming. :)
The general advice I've heard is pull immediately and you will quickly end up the right way? I suspect if you have had sky diving training you might be able to right yourself first with the arms out position, like you see Jim in the video when he demonstrates pulling his chute. But I'm not an expert, so don't trust anything I say here.
Being stable in freefall and face to earth is optimal, but pulling the ripcord before impact is absolutely essential! If you can survive whatever catastrophe caused you to have to bail out, successfully undo your glider harness, eject the canopy and get out of a likely spinning aircraft just focus on the main points. LOOK for the handle...GRIP the handle and PULL the handle firmly. You will just have enough time to think "It's not working" before your are jerked upright! Breathe (a couple of deep breaths) then orient yourself and work out the steering, assess the drift and pick a nice landing spot.
Hi Tim, I am a Uk OAP and an ex hang glider pilot and now a paraglider flyer. I wear a flying harness with a hand thrown reserve parachute for those unwanted situations, not happened yet and hopefully never will. I noticed in this video that you concentrated on the harness chest straps ( this adjustment is also very important in paragliding ) but appeared to neglected mentioning anything about the webbing and buckles in the crotch area and how they should be adjusted for optimum comfort and safety under deployment, or did I miss it in the video
Thanks yes it was mentioned briefly, but we didn't film a bit on the leg straps.
@@PureGlide I watch your videos and enjoy your passion for flying, and the country you get to fly in, flying in the UK is very busy, but now, due to covid19 lock down, all recreational flying has come to a halt , thank God for TH-cam so I can get my fix, all be it 3rd party
@@willbarker1340 Sorry to hear about the UK lockdown, and glad I can help with a small way!
Hi Will, Jim here. I think it is possible to "overthink" or overstate the importance of leg strap adjustment. Modern round emergency parachute harnesses are quite forgiving and provided the snaps are correctly fastned, the worst that will come from sub optimal adjustment will be discomfort on opening.
Glider pilots may spend many hours sitting in the harness so it should be comfortablly snug and evenly adjusted to keep the chest strap level horizontally. The reason I focused on the chest strap is because of the tendency to think "tighter must be better" when in fact overtightening the chest strap will misalign the main lift webs and put stress on one point of a stitching block designed to be evenly loaded. (Note that a chest strap which appears loose when sitting will become snug when standing erect or under an open canopy). Regardless, the construction is robust and openings with less than ten seconds in freefall will be more gentle than the standard forces on skydivers usually falling at about 200kph (120mph). As always, when dropping your parachute off for scheduled inspection and repack, ask your rigger about the proper fit and adjustment for best results.
@@jimmaclean6165 Thanks for the information, the major problem with a reserve chute in paragliding is that the only harness available is the one you use to support you when flying.. This needs to have the leg loops fairly loose so as to allow to get your landing tackle down (legs) quick and neat. This means that the leg loop adjustment is always a compromise. As our main wing is a steerable double skin parachute already, our reserves are mandatory in every way and they get deployed often across the paragliding fraternity when in rough air. Its a bit bonkers paragliding but the main attraction is to be able to put your flying machine in the boot of your car. I fancied sail planning but due to my all up weight it was difficult to find a light weight CFI to take me up without exceeding the total weight limit of the glider. I know, should go on a diet
Best wishes for future even larger success with your channel, Tim. Stumbled over it by happy incident, great stuff!
This episode demonstrates, that you are also not at all mudget-like.
And the clip related question: How would I fit into which glider with 6 feet 5.6 inches (99cm inner leg length, hence not too long back) AND a parachute on? More than 2 decades ago I took a taste at a sniffer gliding day cruise in an ASK21, which the club typically uses for absolute beginners' courses in Lower Saxony here around the corner. Which I was - and stayed, unfortunately..., since only without a parachute I would have been able to squeesze myself into the front...
So, where would you recommend that I get an overview on school gliders' trainee height limits? Another club here took a strict limit not to allow students over 195cm - which I am... Or don't you see a chance at all?
Looking forward to a realistic judgement.
Best regards from nighty - but not at all mighty (Judge yourselves lucky with your scenery!) - Berlin!
Hi yes that's tricky, I'm 6'4" 193cm and only just fit in many gliders. So I wouldn't want to be taller. I suspect the back seat of some training twins would fit you better than the front seat. Maybe suggest that, even though it's not normal to train in the backseat. We don't wear a parachute while training in twins, so that is an option for you too. Then I'd suggest you find a single seat aircraft that can handle someone that tall and get solo in it. Our club has an Astir, it can handle someone big, and I used to fit happily, so it might take taller as well.
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Hi Tim.
Test-seated couple of gliders.
Need an Astir. Suits. But would need one with R/C-teacher, unfortunately. Mind my German:
Astir: ✅
ASK21B???
ASK21: Keine Chance. Kopf!
LS4: Nach Pilz-Aussägung wegen Knie-Beine ggf. möglich
DuoDiscus: passte, wenn ich nicht steuern müsste. Was eine Scheißspastikerhandhaltung!!!!??? Wer baut denn sowas???
Thanks again for your feed-back and many many happy landings (Yesterday there was a start incident at the other club where colleagues joined and I originally wanted to check, too. Scary stuff.)
I went to Croatia recently- well before C19 but anyway, we had a Lamb and a Chicken Peckah but I didn't see a parachute Peckha. Is it much different?
lol love a good chicken peckah
Good show Tim! I live in Dallas, Texas. Did Jim get his fire department T-shirt from Texas or is there a Dallas in your part of the country?
Hi Jim is a firefighter, so no doubt it's from the US. There is not a Dallas in NZ that I'm aware of.
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Hi Will, Swapped one of our T shirts with a visiting Texan Firefighter. Most long serving firefighters will have a bunch of them particularly if they travel a bit.
They look like pretty good parachutes, are they made in New Zealand?
Hi no I think most of the ones in this video are either Strong Parachutes, or Softie, or those other common gliding parachutes
I'm glad I got mine with my glider. It needs repacking tho
Yeah should do it occasionally :)
Very worthwhile VLOG. Always good to revisit safety issues. Great tips on feet, knee & ankle positioning. I'd never given much thought to the way in which the parachute canopy opens so Tim's explanation was very interesting (the canopy opens from the top - not the bottom). In the UK we are trained to pull the handle down towards our left foot (the logic being that the cable passes over one's left shoulder and therefore the least resistance in the pulling force comes from a downward motion (as opposed to a lateral motion off to the right). Having said that, I have always suspected that a surge in adrenalin would ensure that whatever way the handle is pulled - it would have a very similar result ! Keep making the gliding related VLOG's ! Really enjoying them. Thanks ! P.S. I found the following TH-cam video on landings also very helpful :
th-cam.com/video/PiLyqGu2XKI/w-d-xo.html
Awesome thanks for your comments! I didn’t find my handle too hard to pull at all, I was expecting more resistance
Warning: Having the parachute on and watching this video, although good 1st step, might not be good enough as there is knowledge and experience to everything, especially if it happens:1. fast, 2. under stress, 3. with injury OR 2 out of 3 or ALL THREE.
I. It takes time for the shoot to open and slow you down. So, your safety is related to height. If you are too low, the canopy will still be useful to nicely cover your body on the way to the morgue. What is too low? That is dependent on your airspeed, but several hundred ft. or 200-250 m. would be minimum depending on your forward speed while starting to fall down.
II.
Don't pull the ripcord handle until you are away from your broken glider, likely not flying straight at that critical point of the rest of your life. You don't want glider tail or any part of it, to hook your opening canopy or lines.
That's why paratroopers count 'one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi AND THEN PULL the ripcord.
3 seconds is meant to clear the aircraft. Glider is much smaller than big(er) planes skydivers or paratroopers jump from so 2 seconds maybe OK bud NOT the very moment you lose canopy and exit.
III.
Practice on the ground with the instructor. how to lose the canopy FIRST and then unbuckle yourself from the seat BUT not from the parachute harness!
IV. Landing with that canopy over you is also pretty critical. Avoid trees, but especially electrical wires. Yes, I did shoot down electric in the whole village, by blowing up the transformer while shortening the wires between the electrical pole and the barn. (380v). They were v. hard to see against the ground.
Land against the wind, not with the wind. 'Breaking the leg' is not 'the lucky strike'.
If you are going into some deep or unknown water, get out of the harness at 10-20 ft. above water, so the canopy will not cover you, preventing breathing and swimming and tangling you while in the water. It is trickier done than describe here since the water could be 30 cm. deep or 3+ m deep and from the air it hard to tell.
Etc.
P.S. It takes more than few jumps to be able to control your body in the freefall.
Emergency parachute opens REALLY QUICK with lots of kinetic sensation, co bend your knees and put your hands on your ass so you don't tumble thru the air too much while the parachute is opening. And so, you hands or legs don't go into the lines as they are flying away in that critical second, two or three, before the parachute fully opens and jerks you head up and legs down and not the other way around.
I once accidently touched the lines as they were flying away and got local skin burn at the place of contact with these pesky lines!
Could you wear one of these in GA? Would I get funny looks if I asked to wear one in a Cessna? I'm not trying to be funny - I have had a few Cessna lessons after originally flying paragliders, hang gliders and sailplanes. All had reserves... Why not Cessna pilots? I always feel quite ill-at-ease taking off with no safety net should the controls lock up or we have a mid-air. Subscribed, Notified and Liked.
The trick is if you need a parachute, I bet you'll be glad to have one :)
Hi Tim. Would it be possible to add Greek subtitles to your very nice and informative video? I can do the translation!!!
Regards Thanos
Sure, I would be delighted if you wanted to send it through. I haven't done any subtitles before so not sure what is involved. Contact me at pear.co.nz
I assume these Reserves would work from terminal velocity? I know our PG-reserves wouldn't! :-O
I would assume so, I know of people who have been unconscious as they leave the cockpit but to wake up in freefall, and then open them.
@@PureGlide Wow! Great contender for "craziest way you've ever been woken up before?" 😄👍
As a skydiver, the lack of a reserve makes me nervous... well technically this is your plan B already (or C...)
Yes this is the reserve, worst case, backup plan! For most people it is an expensive cushion that needs annual maintenance :)
What if my parachute doesn't deploy... do I get a refund?
You sure do! all you have to do is ring the hotline after you've 'landed'
Or you can sell it second hand. “Only used once, never opened”
Awesome clip, thank you. One more question - do you think it is possible that poorly adjusted leg strap could castrate you?
I didn't ask Jim that! A good question thought, one I would say is quite important to ask :O
Do you really want to find out? Keep the crutch straps tight!
The question is fairly serious, as many pilots (incl. me) run their relief system tube underneath leg straps. I unintentionaly tested it detaches without problem if you try to leave a glider without unplugging, but I sometimes forget to properly readjust leg strap after using the tube.
Btw. maybe relief systems deserve their own video, as the topic is taboo way too often without a valid reason.
Cheers from Poland
@@karolsnapko9253 Oh yes I can't wait to get into the pee systems topic :)
From an ex-jumper.Reserves open very quickly with a real jolt. So, Leg straps should always be properly adjusted but not over tight. Otherwise you might be speaking in a squeaky voice for awhile!
To all glider pilots, go do a sky dive session. You will get the "picture" of what is going on very quickly.
I realize this is old, but if anyone is watching the comments: at what altitude does the parachute no longer become effective? IE its only effective 3000ft above ground due to deployment time? Just curious
Good question.
3000 ft? If you are exiting the glider or a plane going say 40-50 kts, even 300 ft. will do.
On the other hand imagine getting out of a basket of failing hot air balloon. 300 ft. will likely kill you since the parachute will not have enough time and energy of the air resistance to open.
Pls. see my other post here several min. ago.
>'the glider or a plane going say 40-50+ kts, even 300 ft.'
I meant in the semi horizontal flight, not nose down.
So it all depends on the initial speed of the jumper. The faster INITIALLY he/she goes thru the air, the quicker the emergency parachute will open.
So to simplify, in the 1st second of a free fall the speed of a jumper = speed of the craft she or he just got out from.
That's speeds up parachute opening process, hence shortening the time to fully deploy the canopy.
Typically you don't want to jump with less than 1000 -1200 ft. if you are in the slow craft, depending how slow or how fast.
Practice the landing fall (PLF) as much as possible so that it becomes instinctive,one thing not mentioned is your depth perception is non existent.So as you approach the ground (chin down on your chest),although you can see the ground you can't judge the distance correctly.The gound will appear to rush up and smack you in the feet,it is crucial that your feet are turned well away from the direction of travel and paralell to the ground otherwise like me you'll get pulled forward and bend all your toes at rightangles to the instep (painful).I also had impact fractures to all of the bones in the instep because my toes were pointing slightly down,Once I healed I did it again ang got it right............................................................
G Dale bailed out after a mid air collision. Here is his advise th-cam.com/video/cDXIxHAmSX0/w-d-xo.html
That's a great video that one
who's making them, what are the cheapest options?
Check wingsandwheels and cumulus soaring, they sell emergency chutes. Shipping is a big cost too as they are big so depends where you are
@@PureGlide good lead, the strongs are 500 bucks off if you wanna wait 6 months for one, I only knew about softie and butler, their lead time is 6 months too
Parachute Peckah
OK :)
He trow out a emergency parachute. That's smart but how they are working?
cool
Thanks!
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should you learn actuall parashooting to be more safe?
It might help to some extent! The chance of actually needing to use an emergency chute is very low however
Do Emergency Parachutes Come in Deferent Sizes? & Matched up To The Specific Weight of The User ? 🪂🤓🤠🥸🤔🕵👨🚀😓
Yeah some of them are smaller, for smaller weight pilots. So yes when buying one you have to check what weight the chute is rated for.