You forgot to mention that when you visit the Katz Corner in Zestiria, one of the katz tells you that Maotelus himself visited the Katz Corner 1000 years ago. That turns out to be true, since in Berseria you get to go to the Katz Corner with Laphicet/Maotelus in your team. There's also Dark Turtlez, who turned edgy because of Velvet.
@@makotoyuki345 same, I fought that guy around lvl 59-62 and just fucking camped him with mikleo's armatization while using the rest of the party as bait. Laughed my ass off after it worked lmao
The Magilou being buried theory is further supported by the Zestiria X anime, in which it's revealed that it was Magilou who told the people about Malevolence, therefore breaking her oath that kept her alive.
Another interesting point to bear in mind regarding the whole "Storytellers" aspect: Bienfu is quoted as being not just one of the greatest normin poets, but THE greatest, in a skit conversation. Wouldn't it be funny if it had been Bienfu writing all the stories down at Magilou's coercive behest? Food for thought :)
It's not about living a long time because she actually did, as a novel Namco released confirms this. We just have no confirmation of it being Magilou because not even the novel confirms this (and the novel goes into quite detailed explanations of even how Rokurou dies and when Eizen turns into a dragon). The anime is 100% non-canon and it should be obvious due to how much they deviated and contradicted the lore (the Dragon purification and the sealing of Heindalfr being two examples, as it is a focal point of Zestiria's story how Sorey has no choice but to kill both the Dragons and the Lord of Calamity, and Berseria makes it clear that the only way to save a Dragon is the power of the gun Siegfried).
Another possible clue that Magilou could be the person in the tomb: The Mayvin buried in the tomb is described as a poet. Magilou carries a poetry book around (which she claims is Bienfu's poems) and recites a poem to Laphicet. She also makes up a little poem about a frog in one skit.
funny thing is , she comes up with the frog poem in reneed, thousand years later there is now the entrances to the actus ruins in zestiria (the ruins with the gold key) where reneed used to be . in the ruins you find a frog plushy accecory.
One thing: If you head to the royal villa in Loegres after unlocking the final dungeon in Berseria, prince Percival tells you that he intends to scrub all mention of Artorius and Innominat from the history books so no one will know what they did. According to Zestiria, he succeeded...partially. History/archaeology buffs Sorey and Mikleo knew nothing of Innominat, but the Empyrean's Throne has been renamed Artorius's Throne so clearly the guy's gone down in history (as a hero, to boot) despite Percival's efforts.
I believe that according to the records in Zestiria the name of Artorius likely remained in existence because during the reorganization of the Church and the Shepards they needed to rally around some form of figurehead "hero" and eventually latched on to the idea of the first person to name himself the "Shepard". He did succeed in erasing the ideals that Artorius held, thus the Shepards being more about mantaining the status quo and free will while purifying malevolence.
I noticed that its not for a random reason that Laphicet in berseria is the one to learn the mystic arte Indignation that is a staple to the series, since later in Zestiria, it is only when Heldalf has armatized with Maotelus that he is able to use indignation, borrowing Maotelus' power in order to use it.
When you finish the Ex-Dungeon in Berseria you find out that there is another world called Heaven where Seraphims live. The Malakhim were from that world but got cursed by the seraphim that disagreed with the malakhim who wanted to live with humans. Thus the curse transforming Malakhim into Dragons and Humans into Demons.
Which also means that Heldalf's goal of "returning the world to its original form" by flooding it with malevolence and turning everyone into hellions is based on a flawed assumption, since hellions/daemons aren't their "original" forms. I played Berseria first, so when he said that line I literally facepalmed.
Rose learned Rangetsu Style from the Windriders. Brad and co likely learned it from a Rangetsu at the time. This was confirmed in one of the material books, where Rokuro goes around defeating his opponents and sometimes teaches Rangetsu style to them in the process.
This book also confirms a lot of details about the different Ages and the several different Lords of Calamity and Shepards. It also confirmed the fact that everything in the Zestiria universe happens in a cycle revolving around the reappearances of the Lord of Calamity and the Shepard, with several Lords of Calamity actually being GOOD for the world.
I actually really liked how both games were connected despite taking places 1000 years apart. They felt like companion games and gave a bit of incentive to playing both games lore-wise, especially with both games reversing the roles of the protagonist and antagonist. I hope if they do explore the concept again, they do a few things to improve it such as 1.) Not having the game that takes place in the past be released after the most current one (Because playing Zestiria before Berseria can kinda damper your experience with Eizen since you know what will happen anyway despite a subplot about his rotten luck seemingly improving as he travels with Velvet; and 2.) Not recycling the same locations.
i actually liked seeing the same locations in different time periods, but i completely agree story wise. especially considering the fate of phi/maotelus
Problem with doing backwards (Berseria -> Zestiria), as I did, is getting to like Zestiria's battle system. It's way worse. However, I definitely can say that's a lot better plotwise.
Another fun thing about blonde siblings is that they wear matching gloves (edna wore eizen's right-handed glove while eizen wore the left one, as mentioned in a skit). It is probably given to her after berseria ended since eizen wore both gloves in berseria. Also, note that the wrist part of edna's glove is very loose and edna tightened it with a ribbon, but it fits perfectly with eizen's wrist. Edna wears eizen's shoes too! (also mentioned in a skit). Edna said that her brother fixed the size so it fits her. It make sense since they both are the same design, except that edna's has a buckle on them (to fasten it?) and are shorter. Lastly, Eizen's back has a dragon/evil wings on while edna's has angel wings. I swear to god I love the small details that they put on the designs
ned993 Well, it is not cannon yet until it is a novel, anime, or game. And I smell at least another tale in this universe. Maybe the coming game will explain how Eizen turn into a Dragon, and how Margilou kick the bucket. You know, these two event can be easily over lapping. Which follow the storyline of Michel?
The Guide book was included in the JP's collectors edition which Global doesn't have. Even Zestiria had it before. And more like a new game is another prequel, since there were mentions in Berseria's npc about Siegfried (the first oracle), Brunhilt (the prime lord) and Jenisis (the great normin) journeying together. Siegfried is the first to have performed armatization, that's why his gun or the Sorceress Ring (Brunhilt) was needed to get the formula of creating more Divine Artifacts.
lol yeah. It was hard playing through Zestiria after playing Berseria but since I never played Zestiria when it first released it was much easier to adapt. Berseria is just a better game in all aspects.
Lol, watching zest the anime, then played berseria xD God I don't want to play zestiria from the reviews I've read, but it still seems like a waste since I won't be able to get all the details abt it :/
Max G urg yes i regret buying zestiria it was so aweful that after i got to the point that i was obligated to get all the history things (dont remeber name) i said fuck and i quit
Well another argument for Rose being connected to Eleanor has to do with the fact that she has pretty strong natural resonance connecting her to Eleanor who became the Shepherd after Artorius and likely maintained her resonance. Eleanor's descendants would also potentially have strong resonance from her as Zestiria shows that resonance seems to be hereditary as shown with Mikleo and his family, a family in Lastonbell, Artorius who out right stated that Laphicet would've been born with strong resonance because he had that, and quite possibly Sorey and his family depending if you think Heldalf (implied to be his father in the manga) and or Selene actually had resonance. Plus theorizing that Rose got her resonance via heredity due to being a descendant of Eleanor gives closure to the plot point in Zestiria that pissed off every Alisha fan of her being able to armatize and not have a negative effect on Sorey after making a pact with her.
That makes sense. But I was under the impression Rose had high Resonance because she was constantly being possessed by Dezel for a long time. I don't remember exactly where I got this idea from but it might be me misinterpreting something that was said.
Yeah the game is actually pretty vague so I don't blame you. The game kind of theorizes that Rose had high resonance because of Dezel possessing her. Then it gets revealed by Symmone and Rose that she had pretty high resonance all along (As Rose said herself that she remembers meeting a seraph when she was a kid) but her environment made her deny their existence which Dezel likely took advantage of.
I played ToZ a long time ago but I believe its stated somewhere that some people are just born with resonance. I am not sure if resonance is entirely hereditary but I like to believe she was just one of the lucky ones to be born with it. I am going to play ToZ again since I just beat ToB and maybe I can pick up more things.
I think the connection between Rose and Eleanor is actually a stretch. Rose's resonance isn't exactly natural, as it's the result of Dezel controlling her over and over. Actually, at the start of Zestiria it is mentioned that Sorey's high resonance is as a result of him being raised in a Seraphim village. I personally believe Resonance is more your senses very slowly adapting to the presence of seraphim, and that spending long enugh times in close proximity to Seraphim, especially at young age, develops resonance. That being said, Eleanor may very well be related to someone in the Zestiria Universe: Maltran. Note the similar hair color, and while Eleanor was never called this, she was a Dragoon in Azure. We don't really know what Maltran's resonance was like since we meet her as a Hellion anyway.
Actually, the Dezel thing being the reason for the Resonance is just a pet theory the game threw at your for a while. But the DLC and several skits change it around and Rose admits that she had indeed seen Seraphs when she was a kid. That also explains her fear of ghosts, as her high resonance would make her bee able to see both Seraphs AND Hellions, making her thus able to see monsters others could not. Also, it would have been rather impossible for Dezel to freely posess Rose while she was unconcious if she had zero resonance since just becoming a vessel already requires a good amount of Resonance (to the point that even during the 3 years that followed the Advent, when humanity's resonance was artificially increased, only a select few humans could become Exorcists and use Malaks in battle, and even fewer had enough power to become vessels of high ranking Malaks).
Artorius is the first Shepherd to take on the name Shepherd. There was another Shepherd several hundred thousand years before him who traveled with Jenisys, a Normin, and a Seraph named Brunhild (which the sourcerer's ring is named after).
Yep, they were called oracles in the past. The first oracle was Siegfried, the owner of the Sacred Blade which is Brunhilt's vessel. But due to her absence, Lailah made it her vessel, so that also explains that Brunhilt is the original Lady of the Lake.
There's theories that Lailah is merely the latest incarnation of Brunhilt. It's stated in Zestiria, and hinted in Berseria, that a Seraphim's power "moves" to a new vessel of sorts when they are reborn in the Earthpulse. Brunhilt's power reincarnates in Seres as proven by the fact she was able to wield the power of the Sorcerer's Ring, so we can assume that Lailah is born when Velvet released souls into the Earthpulse to awaken the Empyreans. This can explain why EIzen, Zaveid and Edna are all accounted for in Berseria yet Lailah is absent.
good video, there's only one thing i can think you did not mention: there are references to the pirate Aifread in zestiria, not only in aifread hunting grounds, but in dialogues, i remember reading a citizen saying something about the pirate crew of Aifread in Pendrago, i believe it was either before or immediately after you have the final confrontation with Mayvin
You also find a ancient coin , the coin shows dhaos and you learn about the events from phantasia. Which could mean that phantasya , symphonya, beseria and zesteria take place in the same world.
Top notch video. I LOVE the stories of Zestiria and Berseria and all the links between them both. I have always loved the Tales series since playing Symphonia but there is just something AMAZINGLY special about Zestiria/Berseria that make me absolutely adore them.
Yeah they are both really good, glad to see someone not just being mean to Zestiria. I recognise Berseria is a much stronger game overall, but I still loved Zestiria, I found the characters endearing and a lot of the game really fun, also it had great music and a lot of interesting mechanics. Also +10 approval to Bamco for having the balls to make a gay lead.
jRPGFanatic In Normin Isle some normin will tell you about Zaveid saving a child and giving his coat to the child even though it's freezing cold. Can't remember what he said exactly tho.
I still want a tales game that has sorey meeting velvet, and her finding out what happened to everyone. Bring back the original lord of calamity! I want these interactions!
Warren Ward they did have interactions in Rays but the worldwide version is no longer available. You can find them if you look up the story for chapter 10 and some of the sub stories and skits of characters released after Velvet in Arc 1.
I don'tthink they will meet BUT I can see them making a last Malevolence-series game since they released a big book explaining the lore up to Zestiria just this year. Which kind of felt like they wanted to keep the hype on the Zestiria/Berseria franchise going. It also adds with the fact Berseria was a prequel (with a bonus dungeon which added clues to a future sequel) and Zestiria had that wholeDLC which was basically a "to be continued".
@@LeonGun8 well rays is a separate world from the malevolence series since it takes copies of most characters of Tales series plus some crossover characters
Ah that, I wasn't answering to the rays comment, Rays is developed by a different team that works on the smartphone titles (Rays is not their first one, just the first that got released over here). It's also basically fanfiction so it doesn't matter in the overall franchise. What I was referring to was the lore of the Malevolence series detailing the different eras (many of which Sorey and Grimoirh briefly referenced in Zestiria and Berseria) and adding details to Claudin and the founding of the Meliodias Dynasty, even mentioning that Meliodias was thought to be the first Lord of Calamity. Also,the World Guidance lore says that the Five Great Spirit Lords and Sub Lords appeared 3000 years before Zestiria, with the Shepard helping create the AVarost Dinasty 2300 years before Zesty, and then the Lord of Calamity unifying the Continent 300 years after that. 500 years after that Shepard Claudin creates Asgard and saves the continent from outside invasions,only for Velvet to topple Shepard Artorius during Berseria's time. Basically, the Malevolence timeline is a big cycle of Lords of Calamity and Shepards defeating one another (which is why Artorius wanted to create an eternal utopia to stop the cycle).
LeonGun8 wouldn't this be more intresting in game form. I would love if, say, sorey unsealed innominat thinking it could help save the world, but instead of a lord of the land, he summons velvet. Maybe learn more about leilah, have velvet learn about maotelus *i bet i just mixed those two up* and all the stuff while she was away. Velvet IS my favorite tales character. Id love to see her get to live.
this is super late, but the innkeeper in lohgrin talks about the northern region in zestiria. they mention its a very cold place, it has a volcano called killaraus and is mostly inhabited by nomads
I also always believed the little boy's portrait in the museum in Zestiria was Laphicet (Velvet's brother, not the Malak), that maybe Artorius would have had painted after he killed him. This portrait intrigued me to no end in Zesty though, to the point I was frustrated that it wasn't explained, sooo I might overinterprete. But they definitely do bear resemblance.
One of side quest in Berseria is "Laphicet's Elixir" where you have to find some materials to complete it, In Berseria Elixir is is an ancient potion that no one know how to make it, until Laphicet meet a certain book worm kid and he gave Laphicet the recipe to make it, then Laphicet promise to himself that he someday will make it. Also the dad of bookworm kid is Exorcist that indirectly help Laphicet to complete the Elixir, so that might explain why in Zestria, only the church know how to make it. This Elixir somehow made its way in Zestria as main plot in one of Zestria main quest, also Sorey found one in a forest that could be real one.
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong. When picking up an elixir from a chest in Zestiria, there is some dialogue about how the recipe/method was lost long ago and only Maetolus knew how to make it. At first I thought it was refering to Laphicet's side quest to make the Omega Elixir but the item found in the chest was just a regular elixir. Elixirs existed in both games as consumable items and in Berseria it granted full health and gave 3 souls iirc. What Laphicet made was an Omega Elixir which I thought was more powerful and not the same as the regular Elixir. So I thought the Elixir would be the same thing as nectar in Berseria which I believe only the church knew how to make (I just thought they lost the recipe somehow). Something didn't add up so I didn't include it.
The "Elixir" the church was selling in Zestiria was nectar (both are made from vermillion ore). Maotellus' Elixir the item you use was a different thing entirely. The Omega Elixir was also a different thing but is almost certainly what Sorey and Mikleo were referencing.
You can see the prison/island from the coast next to pendragon in Zesteria. I always wondered what it was or if I could get there in game but after I played Berseria now I know it was the prison tower Velvet was held in.
there are also some connections between celica, laphicet, and lailah. lailah and celica resemble each other, especially w/ their hairstyles, and it's mentioned that celica had a love for puns similar to lailah's. also, laphicet is celica's child and he fights w/ paper, just like lailah... also seles with the fire element as well as lailah. it's unclear why these connections are there but i think they're neat! this also goes along w/ lailah's silver flame of purification that you mentioned
You forgot to mention there is the (now destroyed) basement of Vortigern in the desert north of the Camelot Bridge. In Tales of Berseria it was a place build by the exorcists to prevent entry to Midgand. In Tales of Zestiria you can't enter Vortigern, but you can see the entrance of the fortress somewhere north of the desert.
Basically seraphims were the one that didn't believe in humans and stayed away from them by staying in the heavenly steppe while malakims were the one that believed in human and went down to earth to try to live together with them. As a punishment Seraphims created malevolence or rather took advantage of human hatred and made it evolve into malevolence to make it harder for humans and malakims to coexist turning humans in daemons and malakims in dragons. if you look at things that way inominat is not so much of a bad guy compared to the Seraphim since he eats malevolence. So if Maotelus is unable to permanently get rid of malevolence every time he uses the flames of purity at least inominat will be able to eat it away to prevent seraphims from achieving their goals.
You missed the area where a Malak mentions Zenrus as a great Prime Lord and wishes to train under him. As well as mentioned of Siegfried, the first Oracle/Shepherd who travelled with Brunhilt (Prime Lord) and Jenisis (The Great Normin). Siegfried is the first to have performed armatization, that's why his gun or the Sorceress Ring (Brunhilt) was needed to get the formula of creating more Divine Artifacts. Siegfried is also the original owner of the Sacred Blade which is Brunhilt's vessel, which Lailah took it as her vessel due to her absence in Zestiria. So that also explains that Brunhilt is the original Lady of the Lake. The Sacred Sword was buried at the Temple of Trial under the Lake where could be the Temple of Water in Zestiria. Temple of Trials existed way back before Berseria in the era of Avarost to test the Oracles. Those 2 Malaks didn't create the trials, I think you cut some part of their conversation about the test they were saying.
They were discussing the idea for the trials that eventually where created by the Seraphim and the Shepards. ANd yes, Brunhilt was the original Lady of the Lake and the true source of the legend of the sword. Which makes sense since the legend already existed in Berseria's time.
Rose's twin dagger fighting style that shares a slight similarity to Rokurou's Zangetsu style wasn't inherited by her or her family. She was taught to fight using twin daggers by a mercenary leader, Brad, after he became her foster father whom took her in as a young child after he found her alone on a battlefield after her parents were killed. So, Rose has no familial relation to Rokurou whatsoever.
Nice Job Brother Anyway you missed that Eizen become dragon after fighting the LoC 800 years after berseira which is stated in the data book Since you mentioned theory about Rose being related to rokuro and eleanor you could also added the theory about Lailah being Selica\seres herself because there some good evidence for that as well Also the ending of both games can be parallel to each other with sorey sleeping with maotelus and velvet sleeping with innominat
Actually, if you think about it further, Seres/Celica sacrificed her life to Velvet so that she could obtain the Sorcerer's Ring, due to an oath placed on her by Melchior and Artorius. And let's not forget about Artorius' throne, which has served as a hideout to the main antagonists Artorius (who later moved to the Innominat dungeon) and Heldalf (after the malevolence had severely altered the land layout)
Also about the Artorius' throne, in beseria you can only explore the outsides of the place while in Zesteria, you can only explore the insides of the place.
The theory about Lailah being Seres herself is totally wrong, at one inn you can hear a conversation of 2 guys talking about "the lady of the lake (Lailah's title on Zestiria)" and how pretty she is and falling in love for her. That means she already existed during Berseria events.
@@Aserith I thought about that. They tell you that the Hyland in Zestiria was built on top of the ruins of ancient Hyland, so maybe there was also a new Lady of the Lake. I'm sorry, but there's no way that Lailah isn't supposed to be a reincarnated Celica/Seres. The look, Seres' artes and Celica's love of puns all line up with Lailah.
While calling it a "reference" is a stretch, I thought it was a pretty cool connection that Artorius' Throne was (basically) the endgame for both games. You see it being built over Berseria due to the location's key access to leylines, which let Artorius complete his end game goals. Then in Zestiria you see the ruins of some old shedpherd no one cares about anymore that have important leylines for the big bad.
Great vid, it really shows a lot of effort on research and editing i would've liked to see someone of berseria's cast in zestiria though . Magilou Eizen and Laphicet don't count because none of them say a thing.
Thanks! It would have been cool for someone from Berseria to make a cameo. The only possible person is probably Rokuro though since Eleanor is dead by this time and something happened to everyone else.
Oh btw, you missed the asgard reference too. Claudin asgard is mentioned to be Artorius' mentor and an exorcist He's mentioned as a shepherd on zestiria in glaivend basin, Not to mention how the "asgard era" is mentioned so much in zesty
jean-sébastien Boucher Zavied probably doesn’t count cuz he “originates” from Zestiria? Plot continuum wise obviously he was in Berseria first but Zestiria came out first and everyone knows him as a Zestiria character.
I remember in Berseria there is an NPC that mentions a legendary sword that was sealed away in the lake city (referencing the sword used to armatize in Zesiria)
It's been awhile since I've played either game and watched the anime, so I can't remember how apparent this is but Edna is wearing Eizen's boots and Zaveid is wearing Dezel's hat. I can't remember when and what games they referenced that, just thought I'd say for those who might not have known.
Well yeah, but between Zestiria and Berseria, Berseria is leagues better. As someone whose last game was Tales of the Abyss, the new system was quite a surprise.
While I still feel Vesperia is still the peak of the series as far as the 'total package' is concerned, Berseria definitely put the Tales series back on the right track.
That really sucks. After playing Berseria, I wanted to know more about the consequences of Velvet's adventure and so considered playing Zestiria. But I've only heard bad things about it since it came out so I doubt I will. I don't wanna spoil the fun I had with Berseria by playing the more than mediocre Zestiria. And there are plenty of games that I want to play, so Zestiria would be a waste of time for now.
Artorius wasn't the first shepherd. In the Berseria book the lore part mentions shepherds from way before his time. Another connection (subtle though) is when Lailah talks to Sorey about the last time a Lord of Calamity took over the land 200 years ago. On the book it's said that was when Eizen became a dragon, fighting this Lord of Calamity with Zaveid and winning by absorbing its malevolence. Another connection is Indignation - it's Laphicet's most powerful Mystic Arte and the one Heldalf uses when armatized with him at the final boss battle
Everyone saying Zestiria is bad is a bit right but playing it after Berseria make you understand it better and all with all Zestiria delivers so much more lol moments so if that is your thing
In tales of zetiria can we visit velevet’s home and the grace of her sister and her sisters unborn child and the shrine where her brother died and titania prison island
Kind of surprised he missed the whole Lord of Calamity reference. x,D In Berseria its shown that Lord of Calamity is a Title and not a Being itself. So the whole story that a New Lord of Calamity is Born over and over again is false because the strongest Monster just earns the Title thats all. So when Helldalf said Sorey will turn into a new Lord of Calamity once he kills him was a flat out lie or he really didnt know any better. Funfact: If a new Lord of Calamity can only be born once the old one is gone then Helldalf wouldnt excist given the fact Aizen ate the Lord of Calamity thaat "ruled" before Helldalf. And given the fact Eizen is by far the strongest Dragon proves that he not only ate him but also gained his power hence why he is so strong and unkillable. Hes pretty much the Dragon of Calamity. That means there were two Lords of Calamity in Zestiria one being Eizen. Another fact: Symonne gave the same Oath Claudin Asgard once gave. However instead of a longer life Symonne asked for immense powers. Instead people dont remember the Oath is to :" never kill anyone".
But wasn´t Rose adopted? her stepfather trained her, so the theory of her being a rokurou descendant is not so accurate. Whatever.. Great job dude! love the video!
The gun Siegfried and Captain Aifried can also be seen in Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition. Patty seems to have a gun of similar design and Aifried is mentioned as a notorious Captain.
I’m reading only comments of people that liked Berseria and disliked Zestiria. I can’t believe that I’m the only one who likes Zestiria more than Berseria (in every aspect) D:
Ouch that's rough. You're definitely a rare case. I love Zestiria myself, but I couldn't call it better than Berseria in every aspect. I'd definitely like Zestiria a lot more if they made it more convenient and less convoluted with the upgrade system. And there's always that thing with Alisha.
DeathToBoredom Maybe I'm a bit exaggerated saying “in every aspect” (I forgot the upgrade system T_T I played Zestiria years ago), but I liked the characters (Alisha & Rose are not included xD) and the gameplay (I think it is easier and the Armatization is so much fun!) more than Berseria. Maybe Berseria’s story is more mature and “dark”, but listen to Velvet and her revenge every 5 minutes has been exhausting >.
i wouldnt call either game better than the other. both feel unsatisfying without the other. in other words, they both feel incomplete on their own, and make each other better when played together.
(I know this is an older comment) But I can actually agree with you. Berseria's system as a whole was superior but I found myself much more attached to the cast and (a bit drawn out) story of Zesteria overall.
There's a video things I noticed in both games Some locations look alot alike In lohgrin found that teapo Russian doll (from tales of xilla) And a few other things like attac and how Siegfried was mentioned in tales of vesperia
Nice, can you do a References & Connections from Tales of Phantasia, Symphonia, and Dawn of the New World? I know that Martel did appeared in Phantasia and Symphonia as well and even the Half Elves were used in the same world.
I’m still upset that they never talked about Laliah background. There is no reference in Berseria. And Tales of Arise a new Tales game is an entire new game. But the female character looks so much like Laliah.
@@ladylight9375 Isn't that pretty much confirmed by Magilou? in Abbal, Magilou says you can cast ilusory arts if you use, and I quote, "a certain Malak". We never see another ilusory art malak other than Symmone
Let's not forget that some monster models were reused: Griffon the Therion from Berseria was used as a regular hellion model, and in zestiria one of the thieving children turned into the therion form of Kamoana
I love these games, Great video. In Zestiria there is a place named after Aifried aswell, I'm not sure where it would be on the map in Berseria but, it's the zone just before Edna's trial in Zestiria
i hope that there will be an crossover game or something simiar , i mean there surely is an time controll/travel spell/arte and i would love to see how velvet and sorey would interact being shepard and lord of calamity
also technicly velvet is still alive in innominat sealed away like sorey , we don't know the livespan of either hellion/deamon or seraphim/malak so rokurou and laphi may still be alive . sadly eizen turend into a dragon (thou maybe velvet's party may know after 1000 years how to purify dragons) magilou probably died after 800 years of the happenings of tob and eleanora is a human so she also probably dead
Juga Juga If they make another game around zestiria/berseria universe (an unknown named tales is in the making btw) they should make canon everything that happened in both games. That would mean only Velvet and Laphicet could make a return since Eizen was killed due to not being able to purify dragons, Eleanor died of old age (she was human after all), Magilou died 700 years after ToB events (on her tomb in ToZ you hear she passed away 300 years ago and about Rokurou that would be kinda to the developers interpretation, on an official book it's said he died fighting daemons hundreds of years after ToB events, but on the games his fate is unknown.
It’s my theory that the ruin in Zaphgot Moor the the big wall with the door is Vortigern due to its proximity to Lohgrin/Lothringen it’s the only major landmark in Berseria that has any corresponding counterpart
Thanks, I can't play the games due to lack of system so I am slowly just watching the cutscenes from them, recently finished Zestiria and now, I am going to do Berseria because this is neat. So yeah, thank you because the references are awesome!
The earthen historia is in both aswell. They are just way better in Berseria. Is the seven cruciple, the same as an eartpulse, where the therian are kept? Both have a lot of melevalence and used for making stronger melevalence.😊
Seraphim are the true name of Malakhim, this is revealed in the post game dungeon. Also Artorius is not the first Shepherd. A flashback of Artorius and Melchior reveal that the Shepherd was a concept during Claudin’s time.
On the topic of connecting Eleanor and Rokuro to Rose, one of the skits in Berseria suggests that Rokuro and Eleanor get together. When Eleanor hears about Shigure's favorite food, she asks Rokuro to take her to where she can eat it. It's a stretch, of course, but it would help explain why Rose looks like Eleanor, and uses dual knives like Rokuro.
I Unfortunately I won't be making another tales video for awhile. The next time would be when a new tales game comes out or if I somehow have time to go back and play the older games.
Honestly I look at these small references and I really do wonder... Was Berseria's story already written when they released Zestiria? Must have been. There is no way they wrote Berseria afterwards to fit whatever the characters in Zestiria said.
Why not? I don't think it's that hard since they left a lot of room to do what they wanted with characters. That's not to say you're wrong about Berseria being conceived during Zestiria's development or shortly after its release. I think it could go either way but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the game or lore so I don't put much thought into it.
In the anime the princess has a master with a red hair that uses a lance that dresses in blue and considering Eleanor kept a high position after the game at least to me it seems more likely for her to be her decedent. Haven't played Zestiria yet, but this video got my interest for it.
I also love the easter eggs to different Tales of Games in Berseria, like the reference to Dhaos, or the reference to Legendia. Berseria was a great game for the series and it cleverly used alot of lore form the previous games for alot of fun references.
also 1000 years apart.... you would expect that zaveid would be super strong..... i mena cmon living for 1000 years and all that hunting of hellions and he's still weak as fuck, that's very sad.
I never talked to the NPCs so I totally missed the less obvious ones. The only things I noticed where the names, Aizen obviously and the Attak Normin. Everything else went compelling unnoticed despite played Zestiria twice, once before and then after Berseria to platinum 7 years later
Yes, it as confirmed in Berseria's side novels. They even explained exactly how Desolation turned into Glenwood and who the actual first Lord of Calamity and Shepard were (they weren't Artorius and Velvet, the terms existed before them).
It's really quite surprising just how many people have played both games and STILL just can't seem to realize how much is exactly the same, with only the names for things being altered. It should be immensely obvious that Daemons and Hellions are the same thing, just as it should be obvious that Malakim and Seraphim are the same thing. I mean the very presence of Zaveid as a Malak and then as a Seraphim should be all the hint anybody ever needs.... One of the key differences that is never really explained though; In Zestiria at first only Sorey is able to armitize, thanks to his contract with Lailah. As things progress he is able to armitize and assume the abilities of most of the Seraphim with him. Later both Rose and Alisha are able to armitize, although nowhere near on par with Sorey, as he can carry multiple Seraphim and swap forms on the fly. This is both similar and also very different from the relationship between Malakhim and the Exorcists (And Magilou...wtv). Despite it being stated several times that ONLY an exorcist can tether a Malak there is a point where Velvet is asking Magilou about that, to which is replied "says who, the people who make the rules?". Regardless, the tethering of one or more Malak gives a person the ability to use various abilities and fight demons. But unlike the process in Zestiria it seems extremely unrefined. While it might be normal to assume that the tethering of Malak evolved into the ability to armitize with a contracted Seraphim as is seen in Zestiria, that still makes very little sense. As time passes humans and Seraphim grow farther and farther apart, until only a very few can even see them, so the idea that their combined abilities would actually progress rather than degenerate really isn't all that logical..... Long story, I know, but still it would be nice to know how exactly tethering a Malak to achieve mediocre power somehow became armitizing with a Seraph and being all badass...
It’s been awhile since I’ve looked at Berseria/Zestiria lore so I’ll give it a shot and hopefully someone will correct me if I’m wrong. For your points about armatization, Alisha was never able to armatize, at least not in the base game or DLC. Where did you see her be able to do this? She was by far the weakest (this is an understatement) in terms of resonance with Malaks and even hindered Sorey at the beginning. Rose is just as strong as Sorey iirc and she is also able to armatize with everyone just like him. She even gave Sorey and gang trouble when they first fought when she was being controlled by Dezel. I’m not quite following on your point about tethering. If I understand correctly, you’re saying that tethering didn’t make sense in Berseria? In Berseria Malaks were forced to be tethered to a person because they lost their will basically because of Artorius and Innominant. Each Exorcist has a certain quantity of mana (I think that’s what they called it?) that is set once they’re born and I believe this allows them the capability to “tether” with a malak. People with more mana could tether with more Malaks. Armatization is kind of a different thing. It’s more like a new technique rather than an extension of tethering since we see it’s something that was researched and developed by Melchior. The statement about combined abilities progressing seems to be about why Sorey and Rose were so strong while armatized compared to all the exorcists in Berseria who were very weak. Sorey and Rose are the only ones besides Heldalf who could armatize and all these characters were very strong. In Sorey’s case this makes sense since he grew up with Malaks his whole life so his resonance is very strong. He did become the next shepard afterall. Rose’s resonance was always strong and was close to Sorey’s power so it’s not unbelievable that she is also strong. In addition Sorey and Rose were in a consensual pact with their Malaks so they could tap into more power than the exoricsts could in Berseria since those pacts were forced.
I do enjoy detailed replies, so thank you for that! About Alisha; I never played all through Zestiria, so I didn't know that this never happens in game, but in the Anime that was released she is able to armitize with Edna. I guess I just assumed that this was basically the case for the game as well. I still find it a bit odd how tethering works, and the explanation about more mana = more malaks is also somewhat weak, as it doesn't account for the power of individual malak at all. Some of them are very clearly more powerful than others, but would that then mean the exorcist could tether one or 2 powerful malak or instead several weaker ones? Lastly, I just find the idea that armitization evolved on it's own is counter-intuitive. During Berseria there are a ton of exorcists, ranged in abilities but all the same, and later there are very few humans who can even SEE Seraph much less actually form any sort of bond with them. It would make more sense if, over time, the tethering of Malak to an Exorist was able to develop itself into the process of armitization. But given the fat that virtually nobody can see Seraph in Zestiria it's a little bit backward. With diminished contact and interaction you would expect that the abilities would decrease, not increase. It would have made more sense to me for armitization to have featured in Berseria and the weaker form of tethering to occur in Zestiria....but maybe I'm just being picky!! Thanks again though for the great answer, it's refreshing to find people on TH-cam who take the time to read and actually bother with a sensible reply!
Not many people post things that can be really debated upon on my videos so it’s actually cool that this happens :D I never watched the Zestiria anime, although I should have while I was making this video. There were just too many episodes to watch lol. Back on topic though, I’m not sure how canon the anime is but I would imagine it’s not very? So I can’t really give my thoughts on Alisha being able to armatize. What you said now makes sense. In Berseria a Malaks power was never really gone over since a majority of the tethered Malaks were all generic elementals besides a handful. So I never thought about how tethering really works. It would make sense that people with higher mana would be able to tether with stronger and more Malaks compared to regular exorcists. Just looking at examples from Berseria, we see that the only people with unique tethered malaks are Shigure with Morgrim, Artorius with Inominat (among others), Teresa with Silva/Laphicet and Eleanor with Laphicet. These characters are powerful and are ranked highly (Praetor or higher) in the Abbey which does its rankings by mana, so we can infer that people with higher mana pools are able to control stronger and more malaks. Of course this is all observation and isn’t facts but it makes sense to me when looked at in this way. The reason there aren’t more unique malaks is due to resources to make them. In Zestiria I think most Malak and Human interactions are between Sorey and the crew. Since Sorey is the Shepard, I think it’s also reasonable to infer he has a very high mana pool and can control all the malaks (same thing with Rose minus being a shepard). Sorey might not be as strong as Artorius in the beginning but I think he gets there. As for the armatization perfection. Your point also makes sense. The knowledge or theory of armatization has been passed down for generations in the Malak community. If we consider this they have the time to study it and perfect it (make it more stable so you don’t die when crap hits the fan). However without having any practical experience or tests it’s pretty unlikely they’ll be very good at it. I think this can be seen with Sorey on his journey throughout the game. While he did get very powerful during his armatized state, he was not at his full potential. He didn’t have access to his blast attacks until after he completed the trials for that element. So we can see he was still growing and getting better at armatization as the game progressed. Anyway that’s just my thoughts. I think there is something I overlooked since I’m trying my best to remember things lol.
This is super late, but the forming of pacts in Zestiria were fundamentally different from the ones made in Berseria. in Bersy, it was was the human that forced a pact upon a malak that had lost free will. In Zesty, the pact was made by the seraph with the consent of both seraph and human. The 'mana' exorcists are born with is probably the same as resonance. everyone is born with a certain amount of resonance, which determines how much a person can interact with malakhim/seraphim. another thing to note is that Lailah was already a prime lord when she made her pact with sorey. considering that powerful malakhim like zenrus and brunhilt were called prime lords in berseria, it shows that lailah herself was no ordinary seraph, which further makes her pact with sorey different from the tethering of malakhim in berseria. sorey's pacts with his squires and the other seraphim were even more different from the tethering, because it was lailah that performed the pacts with them, not sorey. Also, even though rose has the same capabilities as sorey in battle, shes never seen using the seraphim's power on the field. That we can assume is something only sorey can do as the shepherd, making him stronger than rose, at least in theory. As far as armatization is concerned, it was a lost arte first mastered by siegfried and brunhilt, the first oracle and prime lord. The formula for that arte was sealed in siegfried's gun and brunhilt's ring, which was later redeveloped by melchior. The reason why oscar's armatization was incomplete was because the malak did not consent to their pact. The two malakhim at the empyrean's throne emphasize the potential armatization can reach if both parties consent to the pact, which is why artorius was able to fully armatize with inominat. now what i find more intriguing is how teresa fused with the therion. thats something thats never discussed in either game, as far as i remember. Lastly, i dont see why alisha wouldnt be able to armatize in the dlc after sorey was sealed and rose became the shepherd. the whole idea was that sorey gets sealed, making his squires more powerful, which is why rose was able to make her own squire pact with alisha. considering that sorey's power was passed on to both rose and alisha (since they were both his squires), and the fact that alisha's pact with rose had no side effects on rose the way it did on sorey (which was a major reason why alisha didnt stay with sorey), it should be safe to assume that not only alisha's resonance increased, but rose also became a stronger shepherd than sorey was initially. so theres no reason why alisha wouldnt have been able to armatize then, especially when it made sense gameplay wise too. thats why i tend to consider the anime canon in that matter. there is the point that it probably needed more time for alisha's resonance to grow enough to be able to armatize, but i digress.
A little late to the party, but other additions: There is a skit in Zestiria that mentions Maotelus created elixirs or something among those lines. A reference to the Berseria sidequest about creating an elixir to heal an NPC. There is also another skit or maybe NPC dialong that mentions a eight-headed dragon, thast would later be introduced as innominat real form. THe thing about these skits is they are both REALLY early game in Zestiria. Maybe they were a late addition or something, because they work so well creating lore.
Good valid observations, even I miss few little aspects of it. But there´s also something you missed XD The final dungeon on Zestiria, Artorius´s Throne, is also the Empyrian´s Throne in Berseria (Well at least part of it. The long stairs that Zestiria has at the end of the dungeon is the good spot to recognize along with the top floor XD
I did not like zesteria story at all. Was so boring. I don’t see how they could make a story with such fun gameplay boring?? Also zesteria camera was always fucked up in battle during co op. That was really dumb of them to do.
its a shame that zestiria has is its flaws. dont get me wrong, its still a decent game, but it could have been a lot better. there only like 1 year difference between the two games, and yet zestiria feels like its half a decade older.
IIRC dragons are un-purifiable. Not even Laphicet could purify them when he turned all demons back into their original form. In the post-game content of ToB there's a sidequest where Eizen gets his hands on an antique book detailing a history of experiments on dragons. According to it every attempt to turn a dragon back into a malak was a complete failure.
Finding Magilou’s grave and killing Eizen in Zesteria was truly a heart breaking experience
So Zestria is 1000 years after berseria? I never played Zesteria
@@Alucard_FahrenheitTepes yes Zesteria takes one thousand years after berseria
Eizen’s sister is a playable character in Zesteria
@@LOREWITHBLAZER Well thats cool, too bad I can't play Zestreria. My last best tales game was Berseria and Xillia. Lol
You forgot to mention that when you visit the Katz Corner in Zestiria, one of the katz tells you that Maotelus himself visited the Katz Corner 1000 years ago. That turns out to be true, since in Berseria you get to go to the Katz Corner with Laphicet/Maotelus in your team.
There's also Dark Turtlez, who turned edgy because of Velvet.
That Turtlez storyline was the best! lol
Is that a good or a bad thing for Turlez?
@@codyd7883 i hate fighting that turtlez. 😅
@@kingveelatte41 I beat him way underleveled, wasn’t much a problem to me just took slightly long
@@makotoyuki345 same, I fought that guy around lvl 59-62 and just fucking camped him with mikleo's armatization while using the rest of the party as bait. Laughed my ass off after it worked lmao
The Magilou being buried theory is further supported by the Zestiria X anime, in which it's revealed that it was Magilou who told the people about Malevolence, therefore breaking her oath that kept her alive.
well the anime isn't really canon i think i mean sorey PURIFIED a dragon
Another interesting point to bear in mind regarding the whole "Storytellers" aspect: Bienfu is quoted as being not just one of the greatest normin poets, but THE greatest, in a skit conversation. Wouldn't it be funny if it had been Bienfu writing all the stories down at Magilou's coercive behest? Food for thought :)
I think that is magilou melchior lived a super long time it’s not crazy to think that she lived that long
It's not about living a long time because she actually did, as a novel Namco released confirms this. We just have no confirmation of it being Magilou because not even the novel confirms this (and the novel goes into quite detailed explanations of even how Rokurou dies and when Eizen turns into a dragon). The anime is 100% non-canon and it should be obvious due to how much they deviated and contradicted the lore (the Dragon purification and the sealing of Heindalfr being two examples, as it is a focal point of Zestiria's story how Sorey has no choice but to kill both the Dragons and the Lord of Calamity, and Berseria makes it clear that the only way to save a Dragon is the power of the gun Siegfried).
How did rokorou die?
Another possible clue that Magilou could be the person in the tomb: The Mayvin buried in the tomb is described as a poet. Magilou carries a poetry book around (which she claims is Bienfu's poems) and recites a poem to Laphicet. She also makes up a little poem about a frog in one skit.
You bring up a very good point.
funny thing is , she comes up with the frog poem in reneed,
thousand years later there is now the entrances to the actus ruins in zestiria (the ruins with the gold key) where reneed used to be .
in the ruins you find a frog plushy accecory.
I found one you missed. Rokurou says he met a guy named arma Dillan. Who Leila constantly mentions in Zestirira
One thing: If you head to the royal villa in Loegres after unlocking the final dungeon in Berseria, prince Percival tells you that he intends to scrub all mention of Artorius and Innominat from the history books so no one will know what they did. According to Zestiria, he succeeded...partially. History/archaeology buffs Sorey and Mikleo knew nothing of Innominat, but the Empyrean's Throne has been renamed Artorius's Throne so clearly the guy's gone down in history (as a hero, to boot) despite Percival's efforts.
I believe that according to the records in Zestiria the name of Artorius likely remained in existence because during the reorganization of the Church and the Shepards they needed to rally around some form of figurehead "hero" and eventually latched on to the idea of the first person to name himself the "Shepard". He did succeed in erasing the ideals that Artorius held, thus the Shepards being more about mantaining the status quo and free will while purifying malevolence.
Mikelo and sorey knew what innominant was but they didn't wanna talk about it
I noticed that its not for a random reason that Laphicet in berseria is the one to learn the mystic arte Indignation that is a staple to the series, since later in Zestiria, it is only when Heldalf has armatized with Maotelus that he is able to use indignation, borrowing Maotelus' power in order to use it.
I never noticed that and to think I use Indignation as much as a can and not simply to terrify Dhaos!
When you finish the Ex-Dungeon in Berseria you find out that there is another world called Heaven where Seraphims live. The Malakhim were from that world but got cursed by the seraphim that disagreed with the malakhim who wanted to live with humans. Thus the curse transforming Malakhim into Dragons and Humans into Demons.
Which also means that Heldalf's goal of "returning the world to its original form" by flooding it with malevolence and turning everyone into hellions is based on a flawed assumption, since hellions/daemons aren't their "original" forms.
I played Berseria first, so when he said that line I literally facepalmed.
Yeah and she mentioned the name of the Grand pa of Mikleo and Sorey.
I was so happy when I ended it
Rose learned Rangetsu Style from the Windriders. Brad and co likely learned it from a Rangetsu at the time. This was confirmed in one of the material books, where Rokuro goes around defeating his opponents and sometimes teaches Rangetsu style to them in the process.
Meteor what book are you referring to sir
Tales of Berseria Official World Guidance Book the book is in Japanese but some fan groups have translated it so someone can know those details.
This book also confirms a lot of details about the different Ages and the several different Lords of Calamity and Shepards. It also confirmed the fact that everything in the Zestiria universe happens in a cycle revolving around the reappearances of the Lord of Calamity and the Shepard, with several Lords of Calamity actually being GOOD for the world.
She doesn’t even need to dodge!
I actually really liked how both games were connected despite taking places 1000 years apart. They felt like companion games and gave a bit of incentive to playing both games lore-wise, especially with both games reversing the roles of the protagonist and antagonist. I hope if they do explore the concept again, they do a few things to improve it such as 1.) Not having the game that takes place in the past be released after the most current one (Because playing Zestiria before Berseria can kinda damper your experience with Eizen since you know what will happen anyway despite a subplot about his rotten luck seemingly improving as he travels with Velvet; and 2.) Not recycling the same locations.
i actually liked seeing the same locations in different time periods, but i completely agree story wise. especially considering the fate of phi/maotelus
Problem with doing backwards (Berseria -> Zestiria), as I did, is getting to like Zestiria's battle system. It's way worse. However, I definitely can say that's a lot better plotwise.
Rip poor velvet who is still stuck in an eternal cycle and not saved
Another fun thing about blonde siblings is that they wear matching gloves (edna wore eizen's right-handed glove while eizen wore the left one, as mentioned in a skit). It is probably given to her after berseria ended since eizen wore both gloves in berseria. Also, note that the wrist part of edna's glove is very loose and edna tightened it with a ribbon, but it fits perfectly with eizen's wrist.
Edna wears eizen's shoes too! (also mentioned in a skit). Edna said that her brother fixed the size so it fits her. It make sense since they both are the same design, except that edna's has a buckle on them (to fasten it?) and are shorter.
Lastly, Eizen's back has a dragon/evil wings on while edna's has angel wings. I swear to god I love the small details that they put on the designs
I never noticed the angel wings on her back while playing the game. Thanks for pointing them out.
It’s tragic how they aren’t together because of his curse. But it’s touching to see how much effort they put on their designs.
I'll continue supporting Tales of as well. Tales of is the greatest gaming franchise in my opinion.
After finishing Berseria, I watched Zestiria the X and I almost cried when Edna remembered Eizen before turning into a dragon.
Eduardo Ic I did the exact same. I haven’t played Zestiria yet though.
Eizen fate was such tragedy
It’s heartwarming and tragic when she interacts with him in tales of ray.
Eizen became a dragon after eating a lord of calamity, around 800 years after Berseria. It was mentioned in a translation of the World Guidance book.
Thank you! Do you happen to have a link to the translation? I can just google if you don't have the link on hand.
ned993 Well, it is not cannon yet until it is a novel, anime, or game. And I smell at least another tale in this universe. Maybe the coming game will explain how Eizen turn into a Dragon, and how Margilou kick the bucket. You know, these two event can be easily over lapping. Which follow the storyline of Michel?
林振华 The World Guidance is published by Bandai and considered canon.
The Guide book was included in the JP's collectors edition which Global doesn't have. Even Zestiria had it before. And more like a new game is another prequel, since there were mentions in Berseria's npc about Siegfried (the first oracle), Brunhilt (the prime lord) and Jenisis (the great normin) journeying together. Siegfried is the first to have performed armatization, that's why his gun or the Sorceress Ring (Brunhilt) was needed to get the formula of creating more Divine Artifacts.
Explains why Aizen is referenced as being the most powerful dragon in Zesteria.
Playing Berseria got me interested in playing Zestiria again... then I remembered how much of a drag Zestiria is.
lol yeah. It was hard playing through Zestiria after playing Berseria but since I never played Zestiria when it first released it was much easier to adapt. Berseria is just a better game in all aspects.
literally me rn. just finished berseria but now I dunno maybe i'll just watch the zest anime cause I really dont wanna replay that game lol
Lol, watching zest the anime, then played berseria xD God I don't want to play zestiria from the reviews I've read, but it still seems like a waste since I won't be able to get all the details abt it :/
Max G urg yes i regret buying zestiria it was so aweful that after i got to the point that i was obligated to get all the history things (dont remeber name) i said fuck and i quit
I know I'm the minority but I like Zestiria better than Berseria.
Sorey and Mikleo would faint if they knew their "fossil" they discovered was actually a painting.
I 'm upset they didn't mention anything about Velvet in Tales of Zestiria
Well another argument for Rose being connected to Eleanor has to do with the fact that she has pretty strong natural resonance connecting her to Eleanor who became the Shepherd after Artorius and likely maintained her resonance. Eleanor's descendants would also potentially have strong resonance from her as Zestiria shows that resonance seems to be hereditary as shown with Mikleo and his family, a family in Lastonbell, Artorius who out right stated that Laphicet would've been born with strong resonance because he had that, and quite possibly Sorey and his family depending if you think Heldalf (implied to be his father in the manga) and or Selene actually had resonance. Plus theorizing that Rose got her resonance via heredity due to being a descendant of Eleanor gives closure to the plot point in Zestiria that pissed off every Alisha fan of her being able to armatize and not have a negative effect on Sorey after making a pact with her.
That makes sense. But I was under the impression Rose had high Resonance because she was constantly being possessed by Dezel for a long time. I don't remember exactly where I got this idea from but it might be me misinterpreting something that was said.
Yeah the game is actually pretty vague so I don't blame you. The game kind of theorizes that Rose had high resonance because of Dezel possessing her. Then it gets revealed by Symmone and Rose that she had pretty high resonance all along (As Rose said herself that she remembers meeting a seraph when she was a kid) but her environment made her deny their existence which Dezel likely took advantage of.
I played ToZ a long time ago but I believe its stated somewhere that some people are just born with resonance. I am not sure if resonance is entirely hereditary but I like to believe she was just one of the lucky ones to be born with it. I am going to play ToZ again since I just beat ToB and maybe I can pick up more things.
I think the connection between Rose and Eleanor is actually a stretch. Rose's resonance isn't exactly natural, as it's the result of Dezel controlling her over and over. Actually, at the start of Zestiria it is mentioned that Sorey's high resonance is as a result of him being raised in a Seraphim village. I personally believe Resonance is more your senses very slowly adapting to the presence of seraphim, and that spending long enugh times in close proximity to Seraphim, especially at young age, develops resonance.
That being said, Eleanor may very well be related to someone in the Zestiria Universe: Maltran. Note the similar hair color, and while Eleanor was never called this, she was a Dragoon in Azure. We don't really know what Maltran's resonance was like since we meet her as a Hellion anyway.
Actually, the Dezel thing being the reason for the Resonance is just a pet theory the game threw at your for a while. But the DLC and several skits change it around and Rose admits that she had indeed seen Seraphs when she was a kid. That also explains her fear of ghosts, as her high resonance would make her bee able to see both Seraphs AND Hellions, making her thus able to see monsters others could not.
Also, it would have been rather impossible for Dezel to freely posess Rose while she was unconcious if she had zero resonance since just becoming a vessel already requires a good amount of Resonance (to the point that even during the 3 years that followed the Advent, when humanity's resonance was artificially increased, only a select few humans could become Exorcists and use Malaks in battle, and even fewer had enough power to become vessels of high ranking Malaks).
MORGRIM IS NOT FAT!!! SHE CHUBBY DAMNIT
I should of said pleasantly plump!
She's big bone
She thicc
Morgrim = best malak
BIG BONED CAT
Artorius is the first Shepherd to take on the name Shepherd. There was another Shepherd several hundred thousand years before him who traveled with Jenisys, a Normin, and a Seraph named Brunhild (which the sourcerer's ring is named after).
Yep, they were called oracles in the past. The first oracle was Siegfried, the owner of the Sacred Blade which is Brunhilt's vessel. But due to her absence, Lailah made it her vessel, so that also explains that Brunhilt is the original Lady of the Lake.
There's theories that Lailah is merely the latest incarnation of Brunhilt. It's stated in Zestiria, and hinted in Berseria, that a Seraphim's power "moves" to a new vessel of sorts when they are reborn in the Earthpulse. Brunhilt's power reincarnates in Seres as proven by the fact she was able to wield the power of the Sorcerer's Ring, so we can assume that Lailah is born when Velvet released souls into the Earthpulse to awaken the Empyreans. This can explain why EIzen, Zaveid and Edna are all accounted for in Berseria yet Lailah is absent.
Brunhilt is how it's spelt I think
good video, there's only one thing i can think you did not mention: there are references to the pirate Aifread in zestiria, not only in aifread hunting grounds, but in dialogues, i remember reading a citizen saying something about the pirate crew of Aifread in Pendrago, i believe it was either before or immediately after you have the final confrontation with Mayvin
There is also a pirate called Aifread in almost every Tales, though what kind of person he is varies.
You also find a ancient coin , the coin shows dhaos and you learn about the events from phantasia. Which could mean that phantasya , symphonya, beseria and zesteria take place in the same world.
@@jinkisaragi874 and lots of aifreed hunting ground sections in many Tales games like xillia 1 & 2, and i believe graces f also
This might be a little quick thought
But artorius really looks like yggdrasil when he is armatized
@@gordiathevans yup. definitely inspired by him :)
Top notch video. I LOVE the stories of Zestiria and Berseria and all the links between them both. I have always loved the Tales series since playing Symphonia but there is just something AMAZINGLY special about Zestiria/Berseria that make me absolutely adore them.
Yeah they are both really good, glad to see someone not just being mean to Zestiria. I recognise Berseria is a much stronger game overall, but I still loved Zestiria, I found the characters endearing and a lot of the game really fun, also it had great music and a lot of interesting mechanics. Also +10 approval to Bamco for having the balls to make a gay lead.
11:33 No, "Mah," like "soggy-shoe" or "doggie doo" or call her any of those things and she'll turn you into froggy stew.
You forgot to mention why Zavied has no shirt in Zestiria.
1stJohn 4:7 Why does he have no shirt?
jRPGFanatic In Normin Isle some normin will tell you about Zaveid saving a child and giving his coat to the child even though it's freezing cold. Can't remember what he said exactly tho.
1stJohn 4:7 Isn't that Dezel?
It's Zaveid, he gave his coat to the kid because it's freezing cold. And he said cold wind is nothing to Zaveid the whirlwind
Plus in Zestiria after heldalf fuses with maotelus, he is seen using Indignation. An MA for Laphi
I still want a tales game that has sorey meeting velvet, and her finding out what happened to everyone.
Bring back the original lord of calamity! I want these interactions!
Warren Ward they did have interactions in Rays but the worldwide version is no longer available. You can find them if you look up the story for chapter 10 and some of the sub stories and skits of characters released after Velvet in Arc 1.
I don'tthink they will meet BUT I can see them making a last Malevolence-series game since they released a big book explaining the lore up to Zestiria just this year. Which kind of felt like they wanted to keep the hype on the Zestiria/Berseria franchise going. It also adds with the fact Berseria was a prequel (with a bonus dungeon which added clues to a future sequel) and Zestiria had that wholeDLC which was basically a "to be continued".
@@LeonGun8 well rays is a separate world from the malevolence series since it takes copies of most characters of Tales series plus some crossover characters
Ah that, I wasn't answering to the rays comment, Rays is developed by a different team that works on the smartphone titles (Rays is not their first one, just the first that got released over here). It's also basically fanfiction so it doesn't matter in the overall franchise.
What I was referring to was the lore of the Malevolence series detailing the different eras (many of which Sorey and Grimoirh briefly referenced in Zestiria and Berseria) and adding details to Claudin and the founding of the Meliodias Dynasty, even mentioning that Meliodias was thought to be the first Lord of Calamity. Also,the World Guidance lore says that the Five Great Spirit Lords and Sub Lords appeared 3000 years before Zestiria, with the Shepard helping create the AVarost Dinasty 2300 years before Zesty, and then the Lord of Calamity unifying the Continent 300 years after that. 500 years after that Shepard Claudin creates Asgard and saves the continent from outside invasions,only for Velvet to topple Shepard Artorius during Berseria's time. Basically, the Malevolence timeline is a big cycle of Lords of Calamity and Shepards defeating one another (which is why Artorius wanted to create an eternal utopia to stop the cycle).
LeonGun8 wouldn't this be more intresting in game form.
I would love if, say, sorey unsealed innominat thinking it could help save the world, but instead of a lord of the land, he summons velvet. Maybe learn more about leilah, have velvet learn about maotelus *i bet i just mixed those two up* and all the stuff while she was away.
Velvet IS my favorite tales character. Id love to see her get to live.
What I also noticed, in Northern Zaphott Moor, there is a wall that belongs to the Vortigern area.
I always wondered what could be there beyond those walls before Berseria came out! That is definately one of Vortigern's Fortress walls
Well hello.
this is super late, but the innkeeper in lohgrin talks about the northern region in zestiria. they mention its a very cold place, it has a volcano called killaraus and is mostly inhabited by nomads
I also always believed the little boy's portrait in the museum in Zestiria was Laphicet (Velvet's brother, not the Malak), that maybe Artorius would have had painted after he killed him.
This portrait intrigued me to no end in Zesty though, to the point I was frustrated that it wasn't explained, sooo I might overinterprete. But they definitely do bear resemblance.
One of side quest in Berseria is "Laphicet's Elixir" where you have to find some materials to complete it,
In Berseria Elixir is is an ancient potion that no one know how to make it, until Laphicet meet a certain book worm kid and he gave Laphicet the recipe to make it, then Laphicet promise to himself that he someday will make it.
Also the dad of bookworm kid is Exorcist that indirectly help Laphicet to complete the Elixir, so that might explain why in Zestria, only the church know how to make it.
This Elixir somehow made its way in Zestria as main plot in one of Zestria main quest, also Sorey found one in a forest that could be real one.
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong. When picking up an elixir from a chest in Zestiria, there is some dialogue about how the recipe/method was lost long ago and only Maetolus knew how to make it. At first I thought it was refering to Laphicet's side quest to make the Omega Elixir but the item found in the chest was just a regular elixir. Elixirs existed in both games as consumable items and in Berseria it granted full health and gave 3 souls iirc. What Laphicet made was an Omega Elixir which I thought was more powerful and not the same as the regular Elixir. So I thought the Elixir would be the same thing as nectar in Berseria which I believe only the church knew how to make (I just thought they lost the recipe somehow). Something didn't add up so I didn't include it.
i see, so both series talked about different elixirs.
The "Elixir" the church was selling in Zestiria was nectar (both are made from vermillion ore). Maotellus' Elixir the item you use was a different thing entirely. The Omega Elixir was also a different thing but is almost certainly what Sorey and Mikleo were referencing.
It's not crazy because that's what it is. Berseria happens 1000 years before Zestiria.
You can see the prison/island from the coast next to pendragon in Zesteria. I always wondered what it was or if I could get there in game but after I played Berseria now I know it was the prison tower Velvet was held in.
how about the Dark Turlez battle? The turlez that has been marinated in soy sauce?
there are also some connections between celica, laphicet, and lailah. lailah and celica resemble each other, especially w/ their hairstyles, and it's mentioned that celica had a love for puns similar to lailah's. also, laphicet is celica's child and he fights w/ paper, just like lailah... also seles with the fire element as well as lailah. it's unclear why these connections are there but i think they're neat! this also goes along w/ lailah's silver flame of purification that you mentioned
You forgot to mention there is the (now destroyed) basement of Vortigern in the desert north of the Camelot Bridge. In Tales of Berseria it was a place build by the exorcists to prevent entry to Midgand. In Tales of Zestiria you can't enter Vortigern, but you can see the entrance of the fortress somewhere north of the desert.
Basically seraphims were the one that didn't believe in humans and stayed away from them by staying in the heavenly steppe while malakims were the one that believed in human and went down to earth to try to live together with them. As a punishment Seraphims created malevolence or rather took advantage of human hatred and made it evolve into malevolence to make it harder for humans and malakims to coexist turning humans in daemons and malakims in dragons. if you look at things that way inominat is not so much of a bad guy compared to the Seraphim since he eats malevolence. So if Maotelus is unable to permanently get rid of malevolence every time he uses the flames of purity at least inominat will be able to eat it away to prevent seraphims from achieving their goals.
see, i like the idea of #10 but that might just be because i shipped Rokurou and Eleanor XD
You missed the area where a Malak mentions Zenrus as a great Prime Lord and wishes to train under him. As well as mentioned of Siegfried, the first Oracle/Shepherd who travelled with Brunhilt (Prime Lord) and Jenisis (The Great Normin).
Siegfried is the first to have performed armatization, that's why his gun or the Sorceress Ring (Brunhilt) was needed to get the formula of creating more Divine Artifacts.
Siegfried is also the original owner of the Sacred Blade which is Brunhilt's vessel, which Lailah took it as her vessel due to her absence in Zestiria. So that also explains that Brunhilt is the original Lady of the Lake. The Sacred Sword was buried at the Temple of Trial under the Lake where could be the Temple of Water in Zestiria.
Temple of Trials existed way back before Berseria in the era of Avarost to test the Oracles. Those 2 Malaks didn't create the trials, I think you cut some part of their conversation about the test they were saying.
They were discussing the idea for the trials that eventually where created by the Seraphim and the Shepards. ANd yes, Brunhilt was the original Lady of the Lake and the true source of the legend of the sword. Which makes sense since the legend already existed in Berseria's time.
Rose's twin dagger fighting style that shares a slight similarity to Rokurou's Zangetsu style wasn't inherited by her or her family. She was taught to fight using twin daggers by a mercenary leader, Brad, after he became her foster father whom took her in as a young child after he found her alone on a battlefield after her parents were killed. So, Rose has no familial relation to Rokurou whatsoever.
Nice Job Brother
Anyway you missed that Eizen become dragon after fighting the LoC 800 years after berseira which is stated in the data book
Since you mentioned theory about Rose being related to rokuro and eleanor you could also added the theory about Lailah being Selica\seres herself because there some good evidence for that as well
Also the ending of both games can be parallel to each other with sorey sleeping with maotelus and velvet sleeping with innominat
Thank you for mentioning that. The last two points I came across but I forgot to put it in my notes.
Actually, if you think about it further, Seres/Celica sacrificed her life to Velvet so that she could obtain the Sorcerer's Ring, due to an oath placed on her by Melchior and Artorius.
And let's not forget about Artorius' throne, which has served as a hideout to the main antagonists Artorius (who later moved to the Innominat dungeon) and Heldalf (after the malevolence had severely altered the land layout)
Also about the Artorius' throne, in beseria you can only explore the outsides of the place while in Zesteria, you can only explore the insides of the place.
The theory about Lailah being Seres herself is totally wrong, at one inn you can hear a conversation of 2 guys talking about "the lady of the lake (Lailah's title on Zestiria)" and how pretty she is and falling in love for her.
That means she already existed during Berseria events.
@@Aserith I thought about that. They tell you that the Hyland in Zestiria was built on top of the ruins of ancient Hyland, so maybe there was also a new Lady of the Lake. I'm sorry, but there's no way that Lailah isn't supposed to be a reincarnated Celica/Seres. The look, Seres' artes and Celica's love of puns all line up with Lailah.
While calling it a "reference" is a stretch, I thought it was a pretty cool connection that Artorius' Throne was (basically) the endgame for both games. You see it being built over Berseria due to the location's key access to leylines, which let Artorius complete his end game goals. Then in Zestiria you see the ruins of some old shedpherd no one cares about anymore that have important leylines for the big bad.
I’m currently playing berseria right now I love the game play and love Velvet
I'm only here for Velvet =w=
Great vid, it really shows a lot of effort on research and editing
i would've liked to see someone of berseria's cast in zestiria though . Magilou Eizen and Laphicet don't count because none of them say a thing.
Thanks! It would have been cool for someone from Berseria to make a cameo. The only possible person is probably Rokuro though since Eleanor is dead by this time and something happened to everyone else.
Oh btw, you missed the asgard reference too.
Claudin asgard is mentioned to be Artorius' mentor and an exorcist
He's mentioned as a shepherd on zestiria in glaivend basin, Not to mention how the "asgard era" is mentioned so much in zesty
Zaveid is there
jean-sébastien Boucher Zavied probably doesn’t count cuz he “originates” from Zestiria? Plot continuum wise obviously he was in Berseria first but Zestiria came out first and everyone knows him as a Zestiria character.
Laphicet?
I remember in Berseria there is an NPC that mentions a legendary sword that was sealed away in the lake city (referencing the sword used to armatize in Zesiria)
Berseria is so much better game than tales of Arise.
It's been awhile since I've played either game and watched the anime, so I can't remember how apparent this is but Edna is wearing Eizen's boots and Zaveid is wearing Dezel's hat. I can't remember when and what games they referenced that, just thought I'd say for those who might not have known.
Now for some differences. Zesteria sucked while berseria was 1000 times better in terms of story and characters.
combat in Berseria was wayyyyy better too
I think overall xillia had the best combat system just because it was simple and was easy to see what was going on.
Well yeah, but between Zestiria and Berseria, Berseria is leagues better. As someone whose last game was Tales of the Abyss, the new system was quite a surprise.
While I still feel Vesperia is still the peak of the series as far as the 'total package' is concerned, Berseria definitely put the Tales series back on the right track.
That really sucks.
After playing Berseria, I wanted to know more about the consequences of Velvet's adventure and so considered playing Zestiria.
But I've only heard bad things about it since it came out so I doubt I will. I don't wanna spoil the fun I had with Berseria by playing the more than mediocre Zestiria.
And there are plenty of games that I want to play, so Zestiria would be a waste of time for now.
Thank you for all of these references, being a big fan of both games and the anime, it was very nostalgic watching this vid, an absolute pleasure :D
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Artorius wasn't the first shepherd. In the Berseria book the lore part mentions shepherds from way before his time.
Another connection (subtle though) is when Lailah talks to Sorey about the last time a Lord of Calamity took over the land 200 years ago. On the book it's said that was when Eizen became a dragon, fighting this Lord of Calamity with Zaveid and winning by absorbing its malevolence.
Another connection is Indignation - it's Laphicet's most powerful Mystic Arte and the one Heldalf uses when armatized with him at the final boss battle
Everyone saying Zestiria is bad is a bit right but playing it after Berseria make you understand it better and all with all Zestiria delivers so much more lol moments so if that is your thing
In tales of zetiria can we visit velevet’s home and the grace of her sister and her sisters unborn child and the shrine where her brother died and titania prison island
Kind of surprised he missed the whole Lord of Calamity reference. x,D
In Berseria its shown that Lord of Calamity is a Title and not a Being itself. So the whole story that a New Lord of Calamity is Born over and over again is false because the strongest Monster just earns the Title thats all. So when Helldalf said Sorey will turn into a new Lord of Calamity once he kills him was a flat out lie or he really didnt know any better.
Funfact:
If a new Lord of Calamity can only be born once the old one is gone then Helldalf wouldnt excist given the fact Aizen ate the Lord of Calamity thaat "ruled" before Helldalf. And given the fact Eizen is by far the strongest Dragon proves that he not only ate him but also gained his power hence why he is so strong and unkillable. Hes pretty much the Dragon of Calamity. That means there were two Lords of Calamity in Zestiria one being Eizen.
Another fact:
Symonne gave the same Oath Claudin Asgard once gave. However instead of a longer life Symonne asked for immense powers. Instead people dont remember the Oath is to :" never kill anyone".
But wasn´t Rose adopted? her stepfather trained her, so the theory of her being a rokurou descendant is not so accurate. Whatever.. Great job dude! love the video!
Technically she was found. The more curious part is that we don't even know where she was found besides "in a battlefield".
Honestly I think Sorey is Eleanor's descendant they have identical mannerisms, eye colors
, and smiles
Not just eye colour, the eyes themselves are the same. Nobody has small sharp eyes like theirs.
Just finished berseria.
How is zaveid in zestiria despite the 1k year gap?
Malak are "spirits" who have extremely long lifespans that can be as much as thousands of years old.
Eizen would have been there too but he had malevolence and became a dragon
you forgot to mention Aifried's hunting grounds
Ah ha I knew something was fishy about these connections
lets not forget the white turtlez that turn into black turtlez because of velvet group.
That's right, this black turtle can be seen in the TOZ sewer. But I only played TOZ for a while, what happened after that?
The gun Siegfried and Captain Aifried can also be seen in Tales of Vesperia Definitive Edition. Patty seems to have a gun of similar design and Aifried is mentioned as a notorious Captain.
I’m reading only comments of people that liked Berseria and disliked Zestiria. I can’t believe that I’m the only one who likes Zestiria more than Berseria (in every aspect) D:
Ouch that's rough. You're definitely a rare case. I love Zestiria myself, but I couldn't call it better than Berseria in every aspect. I'd definitely like Zestiria a lot more if they made it more convenient and less convoluted with the upgrade system. And there's always that thing with Alisha.
DeathToBoredom Maybe I'm a bit exaggerated saying “in every aspect” (I forgot the upgrade system T_T I played Zestiria years ago), but I liked the characters (Alisha & Rose are not included xD) and the gameplay (I think it is easier and the Armatization is so much fun!) more than Berseria. Maybe Berseria’s story is more mature and “dark”, but listen to Velvet and her revenge every 5 minutes has been exhausting >.
i wouldnt call either game better than the other. both feel unsatisfying without the other. in other words, they both feel incomplete on their own, and make each other better when played together.
(I know this is an older comment) But I can actually agree with you. Berseria's system as a whole was superior but I found myself much more attached to the cast and (a bit drawn out) story of Zesteria overall.
This is how you re-use areas set in the same world, Xillias...
At least change *something* about them.
I loved Tales of Xillia and Xillia 2 but good god running around in the same exact area a thousand times was not fun
There's a video things I noticed in both games
Some locations look alot alike
In lohgrin found that teapo Russian doll (from tales of xilla)
And a few other things like attac and how Siegfried was mentioned in tales of vesperia
Nice, can you do a References & Connections from Tales of Phantasia, Symphonia, and Dawn of the New World? I know that Martel did appeared in Phantasia and Symphonia as well and even the Half Elves were used in the same world.
I’m still upset that they never talked about Laliah background. There is no reference in Berseria. And Tales of Arise a new Tales game is an entire new game. But the female character looks so much like Laliah.
Its litterally lailah with a gun
I was hoping Symonne would've popped up in Berseria or at least more information about her.
I read a theory a long time ago that Symone was tethered to Melchior and THATS why he could use illusions
@@ladylight9375 Isn't that pretty much confirmed by Magilou? in Abbal, Magilou says you can cast ilusory arts if you use, and I quote, "a certain Malak". We never see another ilusory art malak other than Symmone
Let's not forget that some monster models were reused: Griffon the Therion from Berseria was used as a regular hellion model, and in zestiria one of the thieving children turned into the therion form of Kamoana
I love these games, Great video. In Zestiria there is a place named after Aifried aswell, I'm not sure where it would be on the map in Berseria but, it's the zone just before Edna's trial in Zestiria
Yup, Aifread's Hunting Grounds. In Berseria it's along the coast southwest of Loegres.
11:25 I refuse to believe that’s magi’s coffin 😭
i hope that there will be an crossover game or something simiar , i mean there surely is an time controll/travel spell/arte and i would love to see how velvet and sorey would interact being shepard and lord of calamity
That's really interesting! :o
also technicly velvet is still alive in innominat sealed away like sorey , we don't know the livespan of either hellion/deamon or seraphim/malak so rokurou and laphi may still be alive . sadly eizen turend into a dragon (thou maybe velvet's party may know after 1000 years how to purify dragons) magilou probably died after 800 years of the happenings of tob and eleanora is a human so she also probably dead
wait , i am not sure if magilou died after 800 years but something around that
so it is very probabable that if the makers make another toz they may get back rokurou velvet and laphi and maybe eizen
Juga Juga If they make another game around zestiria/berseria universe (an unknown named tales is in the making btw) they should make canon everything that happened in both games.
That would mean only Velvet and Laphicet could make a return since Eizen was killed due to not being able to purify dragons, Eleanor died of old age (she was human after all), Magilou died 700 years after ToB events (on her tomb in ToZ you hear she passed away 300 years ago and about Rokurou that would be kinda to the developers interpretation, on an official book it's said he died fighting daemons hundreds of years after ToB events, but on the games his fate is unknown.
It’s my theory that the ruin in Zaphgot Moor the the big wall with the door is Vortigern due to its proximity to Lohgrin/Lothringen it’s the only major landmark in Berseria that has any corresponding counterpart
you forgot the anime references, especially when velvet appeared in sorey's dream telling him to follow his own path
Anime is non-canonical, it deviates from the two games and opens up several plot holes
Thanks, I can't play the games due to lack of system so I am slowly just watching the cutscenes from them, recently finished Zestiria and now, I am going to do Berseria because this is neat. So yeah, thank you because the references are awesome!
The earthen historia is in both aswell. They are just way better in Berseria.
Is the seven cruciple, the same as an eartpulse, where the therian are kept?
Both have a lot of melevalence and used for making stronger melevalence.😊
If they could have given us an alternate ending in Zestiria where you finish berseria you can save eizen, that's all I want
Seraphim are the true name of Malakhim, this is revealed in the post game dungeon.
Also Artorius is not the first Shepherd. A flashback of Artorius and Melchior reveal that the Shepherd was a concept during Claudin’s time.
i find berseria a little better
On the topic of connecting Eleanor and Rokuro to Rose, one of the skits in Berseria suggests that Rokuro and Eleanor get together. When Eleanor hears about Shigure's favorite food, she asks Rokuro to take her to where she can eat it. It's a stretch, of course, but it would help explain why Rose looks like Eleanor, and uses dual knives like Rokuro.
Finally a tales topic i find in youtube^^ keep making more tales video! :D
I Unfortunately I won't be making another tales video for awhile. The next time would be when a new tales game comes out or if I somehow have time to go back and play the older games.
Naniiiii :( Well thats fine then! you should maybe discuss about siegfried gun.
Honestly I look at these small references and I really do wonder... Was Berseria's story already written when they released Zestiria? Must have been. There is no way they wrote Berseria afterwards to fit whatever the characters in Zestiria said.
Why not? I don't think it's that hard since they left a lot of room to do what they wanted with characters. That's not to say you're wrong about Berseria being conceived during Zestiria's development or shortly after its release. I think it could go either way but it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the game or lore so I don't put much thought into it.
In the anime the princess has a master with a red hair that uses a lance that dresses in blue and considering Eleanor kept a high position after the game at least to me it seems more likely for her to be her decedent. Haven't played Zestiria yet, but this video got my interest for it.
wow, I finished Tales of Berseria and never knew it was this deeply connected to the previous entry in series !!
I also love the easter eggs to different Tales of Games in Berseria, like the reference to Dhaos, or the reference to Legendia. Berseria was a great game for the series and it cleverly used alot of lore form the previous games for alot of fun references.
I would say Alisha has a relation to Eleanor since she wields a spear and is very emotional like Eleanor
I finish tales of berseria last 2 years ago, but i completely forgot the storyline.
Fuck my memory and my brain.
also 1000 years apart.... you would expect that zaveid would be super strong..... i mena cmon living for 1000 years and all that hunting of hellions and he's still weak as fuck, that's very sad.
tales of berseria takes zesteria and makes it edgy but at the same time took everything that made zesteria a bad game and fixed it.
you mean by introducing the "equipment system for dummies"?
I never talked to the NPCs so I totally missed the less obvious ones. The only things I noticed where the names, Aizen obviously and the Attak Normin. Everything else went compelling unnoticed despite played Zestiria twice, once before and then after Berseria to platinum 7 years later
Wait wait, so Berseria takes place 1,000 years before Zestiria?
Yes, it as confirmed in Berseria's side novels. They even explained exactly how Desolation turned into Glenwood and who the actual first Lord of Calamity and Shepard were (they weren't Artorius and Velvet, the terms existed before them).
It's really quite surprising just how many people have played both games and STILL just can't seem to realize how much is exactly the same, with only the names for things being altered. It should be immensely obvious that Daemons and Hellions are the same thing, just as it should be obvious that Malakim and Seraphim are the same thing. I mean the very presence of Zaveid as a Malak and then as a Seraphim should be all the hint anybody ever needs....
One of the key differences that is never really explained though; In Zestiria at first only Sorey is able to armitize, thanks to his contract with Lailah. As things progress he is able to armitize and assume the abilities of most of the Seraphim with him. Later both Rose and Alisha are able to armitize, although nowhere near on par with Sorey, as he can carry multiple Seraphim and swap forms on the fly.
This is both similar and also very different from the relationship between Malakhim and the Exorcists (And Magilou...wtv). Despite it being stated several times that ONLY an exorcist can tether a Malak there is a point where Velvet is asking Magilou about that, to which is replied "says who, the people who make the rules?". Regardless, the tethering of one or more Malak gives a person the ability to use various abilities and fight demons. But unlike the process in Zestiria it seems extremely unrefined. While it might be normal to assume that the tethering of Malak evolved into the ability to armitize with a contracted Seraphim as is seen in Zestiria, that still makes very little sense. As time passes humans and Seraphim grow farther and farther apart, until only a very few can even see them, so the idea that their combined abilities would actually progress rather than degenerate really isn't all that logical.....
Long story, I know, but still it would be nice to know how exactly tethering a Malak to achieve mediocre power somehow became armitizing with a Seraph and being all badass...
It’s been awhile since I’ve looked at Berseria/Zestiria lore so I’ll give it a shot and hopefully someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
For your points about armatization, Alisha was never able to armatize, at least not in the base game or DLC. Where did you see her be able to do this? She was by far the weakest (this is an understatement) in terms of resonance with Malaks and even hindered Sorey at the beginning. Rose is just as strong as Sorey iirc and she is also able to armatize with everyone just like him. She even gave Sorey and gang trouble when they first fought when she was being controlled by Dezel.
I’m not quite following on your point about tethering. If I understand correctly, you’re saying that tethering didn’t make sense in Berseria? In Berseria Malaks were forced to be tethered to a person because they lost their will basically because of Artorius and Innominant. Each Exorcist has a certain quantity of mana (I think that’s what they called it?) that is set once they’re born and I believe this allows them the capability to “tether” with a malak. People with more mana could tether with more Malaks. Armatization is kind of a different thing. It’s more like a new technique rather than an extension of tethering since we see it’s something that was researched and developed by Melchior.
The statement about combined abilities progressing seems to be about why Sorey and Rose were so strong while armatized compared to all the exorcists in Berseria who were very weak. Sorey and Rose are the only ones besides Heldalf who could armatize and all these characters were very strong. In Sorey’s case this makes sense since he grew up with Malaks his whole life so his resonance is very strong. He did become the next shepard afterall. Rose’s resonance was always strong and was close to Sorey’s power so it’s not unbelievable that she is also strong. In addition Sorey and Rose were in a consensual pact with their Malaks so they could tap into more power than the exoricsts could in Berseria since those pacts were forced.
I do enjoy detailed replies, so thank you for that!
About Alisha; I never played all through Zestiria, so I didn't know that this never happens in game, but in the Anime that was released she is able to armitize with Edna. I guess I just assumed that this was basically the case for the game as well.
I still find it a bit odd how tethering works, and the explanation about more mana = more malaks is also somewhat weak, as it doesn't account for the power of individual malak at all. Some of them are very clearly more powerful than others, but would that then mean the exorcist could tether one or 2 powerful malak or instead several weaker ones?
Lastly, I just find the idea that armitization evolved on it's own is counter-intuitive. During Berseria there are a ton of exorcists, ranged in abilities but all the same, and later there are very few humans who can even SEE Seraph much less actually form any sort of bond with them. It would make more sense if, over time, the tethering of Malak to an Exorist was able to develop itself into the process of armitization. But given the fat that virtually nobody can see Seraph in Zestiria it's a little bit backward. With diminished contact and interaction you would expect that the abilities would decrease, not increase. It would have made more sense to me for armitization to have featured in Berseria and the weaker form of tethering to occur in Zestiria....but maybe I'm just being picky!!
Thanks again though for the great answer, it's refreshing to find people on TH-cam who take the time to read and actually bother with a sensible reply!
Not many people post things that can be really debated upon on my videos so it’s actually cool that this happens :D
I never watched the Zestiria anime, although I should have while I was making this video. There were just too many episodes to watch lol. Back on topic though, I’m not sure how canon the anime is but I would imagine it’s not very? So I can’t really give my thoughts on Alisha being able to armatize.
What you said now makes sense. In Berseria a Malaks power was never really gone over since a majority of the tethered Malaks were all generic elementals besides a handful. So I never thought about how tethering really works. It would make sense that people with higher mana would be able to tether with stronger and more Malaks compared to regular exorcists. Just looking at examples from Berseria, we see that the only people with unique tethered malaks are Shigure with Morgrim, Artorius with Inominat (among others), Teresa with Silva/Laphicet and Eleanor with Laphicet. These characters are powerful and are ranked highly (Praetor or higher) in the Abbey which does its rankings by mana, so we can infer that people with higher mana pools are able to control stronger and more malaks. Of course this is all observation and isn’t facts but it makes sense to me when looked at in this way. The reason there aren’t more unique malaks is due to resources to make them. In Zestiria I think most Malak and Human interactions are between Sorey and the crew. Since Sorey is the Shepard, I think it’s also reasonable to infer he has a very high mana pool and can control all the malaks (same thing with Rose minus being a shepard). Sorey might not be as strong as Artorius in the beginning but I think he gets there.
As for the armatization perfection. Your point also makes sense. The knowledge or theory of armatization has been passed down for generations in the Malak community. If we consider this they have the time to study it and perfect it (make it more stable so you don’t die when crap hits the fan). However without having any practical experience or tests it’s pretty unlikely they’ll be very good at it. I think this can be seen with Sorey on his journey throughout the game. While he did get very powerful during his armatized state, he was not at his full potential. He didn’t have access to his blast attacks until after he completed the trials for that element. So we can see he was still growing and getting better at armatization as the game progressed.
Anyway that’s just my thoughts. I think there is something I overlooked since I’m trying my best to remember things lol.
This is super late, but the forming of pacts in Zestiria were fundamentally different from the ones made in Berseria. in Bersy, it was was the human that forced a pact upon a malak that had lost free will. In Zesty, the pact was made by the seraph with the consent of both seraph and human. The 'mana' exorcists are born with is probably the same as resonance. everyone is born with a certain amount of resonance, which determines how much a person can interact with malakhim/seraphim. another thing to note is that Lailah was already a prime lord when she made her pact with sorey. considering that powerful malakhim like zenrus and brunhilt were called prime lords in berseria, it shows that lailah herself was no ordinary seraph, which further makes her pact with sorey different from the tethering of malakhim in berseria. sorey's pacts with his squires and the other seraphim were even more different from the tethering, because it was lailah that performed the pacts with them, not sorey. Also, even though rose has the same capabilities as sorey in battle, shes never seen using the seraphim's power on the field. That we can assume is something only sorey can do as the shepherd, making him stronger than rose, at least in theory.
As far as armatization is concerned, it was a lost arte first mastered by siegfried and brunhilt, the first oracle and prime lord. The formula for that arte was sealed in siegfried's gun and brunhilt's ring, which was later redeveloped by melchior. The reason why oscar's armatization was incomplete was because the malak did not consent to their pact. The two malakhim at the empyrean's throne emphasize the potential armatization can reach if both parties consent to the pact, which is why artorius was able to fully armatize with inominat. now what i find more intriguing is how teresa fused with the therion. thats something thats never discussed in either game, as far as i remember.
Lastly, i dont see why alisha wouldnt be able to armatize in the dlc after sorey was sealed and rose became the shepherd. the whole idea was that sorey gets sealed, making his squires more powerful, which is why rose was able to make her own squire pact with alisha. considering that sorey's power was passed on to both rose and alisha (since they were both his squires), and the fact that alisha's pact with rose had no side effects on rose the way it did on sorey (which was a major reason why alisha didnt stay with sorey), it should be safe to assume that not only alisha's resonance increased, but rose also became a stronger shepherd than sorey was initially. so theres no reason why alisha wouldnt have been able to armatize then, especially when it made sense gameplay wise too. thats why i tend to consider the anime canon in that matter. there is the point that it probably needed more time for alisha's resonance to grow enough to be able to armatize, but i digress.
Huh. Watching this, it's now clear to me that there are actually quite a few sidequests I missed in both games.
A little late to the party, but other additions:
There is a skit in Zestiria that mentions Maotelus created elixirs or something among those lines. A reference to the Berseria sidequest about creating an elixir to heal an NPC.
There is also another skit or maybe NPC dialong that mentions a eight-headed dragon, thast would later be introduced as innominat real form.
THe thing about these skits is they are both REALLY early game in Zestiria. Maybe they were a late addition or something, because they work so well creating lore.
And here i thought berseria was 1000 year after zestiria. This helped a lot with my confusion
You can add that Edna and Eizen are present and reunited in Arise.
Oh indeed! I just fought those two! This makes so much more sense now!
These are like breath of the Wild making references to other Zelda series level of lure. So interesting learning about the world history & connections
To me Berseria appeared superior to Zestiria on every level. A prequel done right, or is it just me?
Good valid observations, even I miss few little aspects of it. But there´s also something you missed XD The final dungeon on Zestiria, Artorius´s Throne, is also the Empyrian´s Throne in Berseria (Well at least part of it. The long stairs that Zestiria has at the end of the dungeon is the good spot to recognize along with the top floor XD
Awesome! Love Tales Of series. I plan on diving in further when I've finished some of my current games. So I'll return!!!!!!
I loved Bersaria. Much better characters too! Ending was sad though.
Yeah, I don't think Rokurou or Eleanot or even their liniage would ever bang.
I did not like zesteria story at all. Was so boring. I don’t see how they could make a story with such fun gameplay boring?? Also zesteria camera was always fucked up in battle during co op. That was really dumb of them to do.
its a shame that zestiria has is its flaws.
dont get me wrong, its still a decent game, but it could have been a lot better.
there only like 1 year difference between the two games, and yet zestiria feels like its half a decade older.
To think that Sorey can purify Heldalf, but can't purify a dragon. Maybe the gun doesn't work on Seraphims that turned into a Helion?
IIRC dragons are un-purifiable. Not even Laphicet could purify them when he turned all demons back into their original form. In the post-game content of ToB there's a sidequest where Eizen gets his hands on an antique book detailing a history of experiments on dragons. According to it every attempt to turn a dragon back into a malak was a complete failure.