Pure Data INSIDE of a DAW?? With PlugData, it's possible! --- Download here: puredata.info/... PlugData is being developed by Timothy Schoen!! github.com/tim...
This works a treat for me. I did a live ambisonic gig with Plugdata within Ableton Live last night and it was rock solid.. Kudos to the author Timothy Schoen.
I'm learning pure data thanks to your channel. thank you so much man, it's so much fun ! I'm using plugData and it's very cool. I just started last week, but I can't stop ! It's nonstop awesomeness and the potential seems so vast !!! big thanks to you man !
LETSGOOO Glad to hear this! Thanks for sharing your experience so far. And Plugdata is awesome!! It keeps evolving too. I hope you continue having fun with Pure Data!
@@SoundSimulator the way you teach is very effective for my type of mind. it's rare that someone is so engaging when teaching through videos. I'm very excited to learn and create with pure data. I'm gonna watch all your videos, it's very exciting stuff !!!
This could finally inspire me to learn Pd properly! I mainly use VCV Rack, and we've been missing the 'Prototype' module which allowed us to run Pd code since the v2 update. This looks like it will work nicely instead.
Yeah, I wish this existed when I was learning Pure Data for the first time. Nice, it's really cool seeing people getting inspired to do stuff with PlugData in so many different ways! I hope you have fun with it!
when creating abstractions i can't set the graph on parent size on the properties of any patch, i could however set the x and y range which is useless for me now, but after updating plugdata, i can't even do that :( why is it like this? this always worked for me in pure data.
Maybe it's a feature that they haven't had a chance to implement yet. The GUI is pretty much re-created from scratch and it's one person developing it mainly.
@@SoundSimulator I'm on windows and using reaper. But I solved the issue I was having. Turns out I had to set the track to "output" instead of "input" which inputted my laptop's mic instead of outputting the track with the VST on it. I'm still learning!
Very nice video, i was aware of the project, but never really tried it. It feels like you said, libpd + max ui. You can actually change the shortcuts to max default ones, it's on the menu configuration, not only that, you can create your own shortcuts.
Woah, you're right!!! Thank you so much for telling me. I love how most of the shortcuts have two separate key-mappings (one for Pure Data and another for Max).
I absolutely love the look of pd vanilla. it's so minimal and brutalist but plugdata is just very convenient and stable. actually more stable for me than pd somehow. Also I would love to hear from you again speak about max and pd (especially now with plugdata) why gravitate towards one or the other. what are the key advantages that max offer than pd doesn't for example
Yeah I made that "Max or Pure Data" video before plugdata came along. It's been a while since I made it so I forgot what I said in that video, but I think I'll end up saying similar stuff to be honest. In general, I'll recommend starting out with Plugdata. And then go thru Max's 30 day free trial and decide from there.
I wonder if GEM works in this? I'd love to be able to generate visuals from within a daw instead of having to mess around with routing between applications
GEM itself isn’t working because it conflicts with JUCE. However there’s another visual external that is working, or at least Timothy is working on making it work. Join us on the Discord to talk about it!
@@SoundSimulator Timothy was just saying that he’s experimenting with something that would allow JUCE and GEM to run at once, but it sounds like a large-scale rewrite. The project is definitely looking for coders!
hi! recently i started to using pd again, im a beginner on this so when i downloaded pd for the first time it was like 5 months ago (pd 0.52 i use a macbook pro m1 13 inch) and the first thing i did was "white noise" from your video, and yeah it works find... i stop learning pure data because i started university. Today i opened again but the problem is that i turned On the dsp so the white noise started to sound, as it should be. But now apparently PD crashes, i can't edit, i can't put elements like object, button, etc... nothing and the worst thing is that I try to close pd and it doesn't work, command + Q doesn't close it, "force close" it's the only thing it works. So i decided to download the 0.53 version, i started making a osc~ 440 to dac~ and turn on the dsp, it sounds but i turn off the dsp and the sound stays there, pd again doesn’t close, so i press "force close" now PD it's closed but the sound it's still there and i have to restart my macbook. What is the issue here? when i started learning pure data with your videos, this things didn’t happen.
That is a bizarre issue. I have zero clue on what's happening unfortunately. The Pure Data Discord and Facebook groups are super active, so I highly recommend asking there. Good luck! I hope it works!!! It might be worth trying out PlugData!
Hey there, might be a bit late reply but I also had similar issues all of a sudden. Not sure if you have Blackhole installed (I thought my problems were caused by that) but I could only fix this freezing issue by force quitting, deleting the pd app, then reinstalling it. On first start I changed the settings so Blackhole isn't the in AND the output (don't know if this is relevant, but did it anyway) and Pd now works again without any issues. Hope you can also fix your issue, let me know if this resolves anything for you!
Seems like a very good way to get into the world of designing custom VSTs. I wonder how the processing requirements compare to other ways of making VSTs.
PlugData in that aspect felt similar to Max4Live. It's more dynamic than creating a VST with C++/JUCE. Tho that means it's easier to get into endless adjustments, haha
hi im trying to make a drum machine but how to i treat notes as triggers? the notein sets a pulse for note on and off, i dont want the note off message
You can use the object [select]. For example, connect the outlet of the velocity into the [sel 127]. And the outlet of the [sel 127] will send out a trigger.
@@SoundSimulator I thought so. I was running into bugs with Pd 0.53.1, but I just completed your first 3 Pd tutorials using PlugData, (and they open in Pd just fine)!
i was excited to use my arduino+sensors pd patch on Plugdata but found that the COMPORT object isn't working (is easy to install the external on plugdata but doesn't work on ableton) :(((
@@SoundSimulator Yeah! Would be nice if we could have more than one on one track + have send and receive work between patches, or have osc working. But man it kinda fix a lot of why I would prefer Max over PD in many cases.
PlugData looks like a great step up for PD, for sure. I'm having another evolutionary change with my project, as well. TouchOSC GUI with a (soon to be) fully customized Reaper DAW (video feedback & fractal backgrounds). BR 🤩
@@_DRMR_ Are you working at the compiler level? Because I’m really interested on getting PlugD to compile for microcontrollers and Timothy could use help on the main codebase.
Hello, I just made a patch in plug data and I was wondering if there was a way to export it as it’s own vst plugin (Like with camomille for pure data for instance). I tried to use camomille but there’s a lot of incompatibilities with the original pure data so it does not work.
@@SoundSimulator First, thank you for the quick response. That's interesting that you say it is the same as downloading a plugin because I put the Plug-data Pd version from Github into my vst3 folder but I don't see it in Ableton 11. I'm running Catalina on a Macbook pro. Any thoughts as to what I might be doing wrong? Thanks
This works a treat for me. I did a live ambisonic gig with Plugdata within Ableton Live last night and it was rock solid.. Kudos to the author Timothy Schoen.
I'm learning pure data thanks to your channel. thank you so much man, it's so much fun ! I'm using plugData and it's very cool. I just started last week, but I can't stop ! It's nonstop awesomeness and the potential seems so vast !!! big thanks to you man !
LETSGOOO
Glad to hear this! Thanks for sharing your experience so far. And Plugdata is awesome!! It keeps evolving too. I hope you continue having fun with Pure Data!
@@SoundSimulator the way you teach is very effective for my type of mind. it's rare that someone is so engaging when teaching through videos. I'm very excited to learn and create with pure data. I'm gonna watch all your videos, it's very exciting stuff !!!
@@Willpowerstudios Thank you so much! Your kind words are very supportive
FYI , max-msp gui is also made with the juce framework
I didn't know that!
Learning something new everyday//
I always thought of Max as Pure Data with the insanely high price of Max.
This could finally inspire me to learn Pd properly! I mainly use VCV Rack, and we've been missing the 'Prototype' module which allowed us to run Pd code since the v2 update. This looks like it will work nicely instead.
Yeah, I wish this existed when I was learning Pure Data for the first time.
Nice, it's really cool seeing people getting inspired to do stuff with PlugData in so many different ways! I hope you have fun with it!
I was just thinking this. Anyone using Cardinal, Grid, Voltage or VCV can now up their game!
@@TheModularChannel We'll be unstoppable!!
plugdata and bitwig ohhhhh.......
I need to try out bitwig!
when creating abstractions i can't set the graph on parent size on the properties of any patch, i could however set the x and y range which is useless for me now, but after updating plugdata, i can't even do that :( why is it like this? this always worked for me in pure data.
Maybe it's a feature that they haven't had a chance to implement yet. The GUI is pretty much re-created from scratch and it's one person developing it mainly.
I recently put together the fire tutorial in plugdata which was pretty cool! But how do I now capture a recording of it inside of a DAW?
You should be able to open up plugdata as a plugin in a DAW and record that way :)
If you use a Mac, I recommend BlackHole!
@@SoundSimulator I'm on windows and using reaper. But I solved the issue I was having. Turns out I had to set the track to "output" instead of "input" which inputted my laptop's mic instead of outputting the track with the VST on it. I'm still learning!
Very nice video, i was aware of the project, but never really tried it. It feels like you said, libpd + max ui. You can actually change the shortcuts to max default ones, it's on the menu configuration, not only that, you can create your own shortcuts.
Woah, you're right!!! Thank you so much for telling me.
I love how most of the shortcuts have two separate key-mappings (one for Pure Data and another for Max).
Great video and my entry into PD. Many thanks and looking forward to more on Plug Data!
Enjoy the journey!!
I absolutely love the look of pd vanilla. it's so minimal and brutalist but plugdata is just very convenient and stable. actually more stable for me than pd somehow.
Also I would love to hear from you again speak about max and pd (especially now with plugdata) why gravitate towards one or the other. what are the key advantages that max offer than pd doesn't for example
Yeah I made that "Max or Pure Data" video before plugdata came along. It's been a while since I made it so I forgot what I said in that video, but I think I'll end up saying similar stuff to be honest.
In general, I'll recommend starting out with Plugdata. And then go thru Max's 30 day free trial and decide from there.
oooo v interesting! first learning of this thru you - thanks for making a video!
definitely had you in mind when I said that it's great for max users who wanted to get into Pure Data! Have fun, Cami!
I wonder if GEM works in this? I'd love to be able to generate visuals from within a daw instead of having to mess around with routing between applications
GEM itself isn’t working because it conflicts with JUCE. However there’s another visual external that is working, or at least Timothy is working on making it work. Join us on the Discord to talk about it!
@@joshuaa.c.newman7430 That's an awesome news!! I hope the interface/workflow is similar to GEM//
@@SoundSimulator Timothy was just saying that he’s experimenting with something that would allow JUCE and GEM to run at once, but it sounds like a large-scale rewrite. The project is definitely looking for coders!
hi! recently i started to using pd again, im a beginner on this so when i downloaded pd for the first time it was like 5 months ago (pd 0.52 i use a macbook pro m1 13 inch) and the first thing i did was "white noise" from your video, and yeah it works find... i stop learning pure data because i started university. Today i opened again but the problem is that i turned On the dsp so the white noise started to sound, as it should be. But now apparently PD crashes, i can't edit, i can't put elements like object, button, etc... nothing and the worst thing is that I try to close pd and it doesn't work, command + Q doesn't close it, "force close" it's the only thing it works. So i decided to download the 0.53 version, i started making a osc~ 440 to dac~ and turn on the dsp, it sounds but i turn off the dsp and the sound stays there, pd again doesn’t close, so i press "force close" now PD it's closed but the sound it's still there and i have to restart my macbook. What is the issue here? when i started learning pure data with your videos, this things didn’t happen.
That is a bizarre issue. I have zero clue on what's happening unfortunately. The Pure Data Discord and Facebook groups are super active, so I highly recommend asking there. Good luck! I hope it works!!!
It might be worth trying out PlugData!
Hey there, might be a bit late reply but I also had similar issues all of a sudden. Not sure if you have Blackhole installed (I thought my problems were caused by that) but I could only fix this freezing issue by force quitting, deleting the pd app, then reinstalling it. On first start I changed the settings so Blackhole isn't the in AND the output (don't know if this is relevant, but did it anyway) and Pd now works again without any issues.
Hope you can also fix your issue, let me know if this resolves anything for you!
Seems like a very good way to get into the world of designing custom VSTs. I wonder how the processing requirements compare to other ways of making VSTs.
PlugData in that aspect felt similar to Max4Live.
It's more dynamic than creating a VST with C++/JUCE. Tho that means it's easier to get into endless adjustments, haha
how do install a .pd vst in fl studio?
I really love your videos! They're very clear and concise
Happy to hear that, thanks!!!
There are still some bugs with the windows release but can't wait for the stable version to come out!
It's seriously going to be a game-changer!
Is it still not stable on Windows?
I'm a Windows user, but I can't get a stable connection with Daw.
hi im trying to make a drum machine but how to i treat notes as triggers? the notein sets a pulse for note on and off, i dont want the note off message
You can use the object [select]. For example, connect the outlet of the velocity into the [sel 127]. And the outlet of the [sel 127] will send out a trigger.
@@SoundSimulator actually found spigot does the job just fine also :) but sel could be useful for directing different notes to different drums
@@SoundSimulator actually it's best to use [sel 0] and use the rightmost outlet as otherwise it won't take notes with velocities below 127.
Glad I found your channel! You are on top of so many things I'm interested in. So, I guess I should learn Pure Data first before I use PlugData?
Honestly, either is fine!! I may recommend PlugData more, especially if you want to get into MaxMSP in the future.
@@SoundSimulator I thought so. I was running into bugs with Pd 0.53.1, but I just completed your first 3 Pd tutorials using PlugData, (and they open in Pd just fine)!
i was excited to use my arduino+sensors pd patch on Plugdata but found that the COMPORT object isn't working (is easy to install the external on plugdata but doesn't work on ableton) :(((
Wow this is actually a really nice program! Puredata as a plugin is great!
It's working so well already!! Easy to setup and get going too!
@@SoundSimulator Yeah! Would be nice if we could have more than one on one track + have send and receive work between patches, or have osc working. But man it kinda fix a lot of why I would prefer Max over PD in many cases.
@@KristofferLislegaard It's really exciting to see how it'll develop!!
PlugData looks like a great step up for PD, for sure.
I'm having another evolutionary change with my project, as well. TouchOSC GUI with a (soon to be) fully customized Reaper DAW (video feedback & fractal backgrounds).
BR
🤩
Constantly evolving!!
Don't overload yourself too much tho!
This is really promising! A massive help for the creation of music with weird effects and instruments
YESSSS, it's a lot of fun for experimentation!
This is super cool! Thanks for the video
Thank you so much for watching!!
Next up: build your Pure Data patches into plugins!
You mean like prototyping a plugin with PlugData and then using a special software to turn it into an AU/VST?
@@SoundSimulator Heavy/HVCC can build vst2/vst3/lv2(/clap) plugins ;)
(it's my main focus)
@@_DRMR_ THINGS ARE HAPPENING
It's an exciting time for people to be learning Pure Data. Keep us posted!!
@@_DRMR_ Are you working at the compiler level? Because I’m really interested on getting PlugD to compile for microcontrollers and Timothy could use help on the main codebase.
@@joshuaa.c.newman7430 what do you mean with "at the compiler level"?
hi, thanks for the video ! i was wondering is it possible to rec directly an audio from plug data to ableton without having to use midi ?
Hello, I just made a patch in plug data and I was wondering if there was a way to export it as it’s own vst plugin (Like with camomille for pure data for instance). I tried to use camomille but there’s a lot of incompatibilities with the original pure data so it does not work.
I'm not sure. There's a plugdata discord, so it could be good to ask them :)
@@SoundSimulatorCool thanks I didn't know
it's also got an fx version, maybe it's new idk, but you can put it in the mixer like anything else and do whatever you want
Yep, I talk about fx briefly in the 2nd half. Putting it in the aux would be awesome too!!
@@SoundSimulator ah sorry i missed that
énorme !
YESSSS
there is no contradiction in being a plug-in and hosting plug-ins.
yes this vst its creation gold
Indeed
Is there a set of objects that allow for sensor data to be received as control?
Nice
Indeed~
THIS IS A GOD SEND
I know right??
is there a tutorial for installing this on a mac that also shows on how to set it up to use in Ableton live or any other DAW?
I'm using Mac in this tutorial!
It's as simple as downloading a new plugin (cuz it is one!).
@@SoundSimulator First, thank you for the quick response. That's interesting that you say it is the same as downloading a plugin because I put the Plug-data Pd version from Github into my vst3 folder but I don't see it in Ableton 11. I'm running Catalina on a Macbook pro. Any thoughts as to what I might be doing wrong? Thanks
Nevermind. I used your download link instead of Github and it all seems to work fine. Thank you for your help and your wonderful videos.
As a sweaty FL studio and MaxMSP user this could be truly game changing, no more V-cables 👀🤞 cheers for covering this!
YESSSS//