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Mini PC with a Real GPU -- MinisForum HX77G Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- This is the MinisForum HX77G, a budget-minded mini PC with its own discrete graphics card. In this video we'll test its PC gaming potential and see how it stacks up to the competition.
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00:00 introduction
00:59 unboxing
01:33 price and specs
02:53 I/O, size, and teardown
05:26 benchmarks
07:34 PC game testing
10:44 emulation testing
14:15 Batocera testing
15:25 Duo (multiseating) setup
17:06 summary (likes and dislikes)
19:30 conclusion
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That duo stream looks fascinating, I just tried and was struggling to get it to work so far. Would love to see more about it, seems very useful for me.
F windows 11
I bought this recently after watching your HX99G review and knowing this would have similar performance. I bought it for emulation but have ended up testing PC games on it. I’ve not got to 1440p gaming tests (apart from 1 game) but nice to know it’s capable of doing it on plenty of them. I’m currently testing it on a 1080p TV against my more powerful laptop. Having fun. Personally I like that it’s still small. It’s like having a console IMO and it’s miles smaller than have a tower PC, so I can move it around which is what I wanted. Very happy with it.
Would u recommend this over a ps5
@@laudable4608 i don’t know it really depends on what you want. I bought it more for emulation (including PS3) so wanted to make sure it was powerful enough but I have ended up playing PC games. You’d have to account for how many PC games you already own and how many PS4 games you have in your library which u can play on PS5. This costs more than a PS5 but it is a PC which has its pro & cons. PS5 is dedicated to just gaming so no issues with windows (don’t get me started on that 🤣). Also although u can play most modern games with a controller sometimes there is issues on PC although can usually be sorted especially if u have Steam. I also think about how my PS3 games aren’t playable on PS5 so it once my console bites the dust they are gone, which is why i emulate them now. Im also not sure whether games would perform better on this or a PS5 (something ill have to check) but if u upgrade to a newer one in the future you’ll be able to play all those games on your new PC and probably at better frame rates and resolutions. Oh and PS5 can play games at 4K, not something i think this would be able to do very well. I’ll mostly be playing at 1080p maybe 1440p sometimes.
@@laudable4608 just thought of something else. If you do use a controller Xbox remotes work a lot better than PS4 remotes and from what I’m told PS5 remotes too. Something to consider. Personally I do use a PS4 controller for emulating PS games but some games are set up for Xbox controllers so the button prompts will match the Xbox. Personally I bought an 8bitDo controller as it has a Wi-Fi and charger stand. Works great.
@@danielm2808 Thanks. 4k is over kill for me anyways. And the emulation is a big plus
@@laudable4608 yeah 4K is really not needed
I always love the "so if you wanna do some spreadsheets". Because who doesn't love doing a couple spreadsheets from time to time? :P
I hope Mysterious 2023 Game gets a sequel, it was a ton of fun.
I got the HX99G for Amazon Prime day and I LOVE IT. It boots up in around 10 seconds and can play basically any game I want at 1440p, 60fps.
Oh Russ, you owe it to yourself to play RDR2 some time, it's way more than a benchmark game!
You misspelled R2D2 😂
And R2D2 is not a game, it's a robotic space buddy that makes guinea pig noises. 😮
😮
Soon, however, the team that developed Gollum will be releasing a standalone R2D2 game where you control R2D2, and you have to eat grubs and practice janky "stealth" mechanics and raise birds, etc... All the stuff that robots and Gollums do.
Coming soon to GameStop bargain bins.
@@Boogie_the_catRed Dead Redemption 2
@sayafahmed4777
Whoosh
@@Boogie_the_catwtf
@@Boogie_the_cat I hope you’re joking
I decided to just go with the um790 pro due to the better cpu and form factor. I'm also mainly into emulation so it's perfect for me!
InFamous din't run at 60FPS on the Ps3, it was unlocked and usually sub-30, so running above 30 in emulation is still an improvement.
Hey Russ, thanks for the review ! Just for the DDR5 4800 : it's not because of the dual channel that it is 4800 instead of 2400. Rather it's because DDR means "Double Data Rate", so it's always been like that since DDR1 where DDR400 was running at 200 MHz :)
Just purchased this. This review reaffirms my decision. Enjoying it so far. As of now, I have only done Steam gaming, no emulation.
Currently, I hook up my laptop to my tv for surfing the web, movies, and gaming from the couch. I love the idea of a mini pc to hook up to my tv. I would like to replace my outdated desktop computer with this setup. Just waiting to be able to play latest released games at max settings. Looks like we are very close!! I'm super excited for the future of these mini pcs :D
16:44 ok that is cool !
I'd love for you to add the ROG ALLY and the Steam Deck to your table. It would be a great comparison for people deciding between a mini PC and a high-end handheld. Especially because they're close in price and power.
I bought the UM690 on the basis of your video for example, but now I find that it struggles a bit with TOTK in Yuzu. I wonder if the Steam Deck or Ally would have had that same issue.
huh? i dont think they ally or deck are close to this in performance. This thing has a dedicated gpu
I really do not like having the screen attached to my controller. So that decision was easy for me.
yup i got on of these for work and gaming. i travel alot and this thing is amazing
Waiting for one of these to come out with the 7840 and 7600xt ideally I’d want a GPU with more Vram, but price point matters and AMD hasn’t launched any mobile GPUs based on NAVI32.
THE KING OF REVIEWS!
I have one, the HX80G with Ryzen 7 5800H and RX6600M. Bought it for my son, mostly use for Roblox and TH-cam. Plan to buy another one for the living room for some light gaming.
I always told myself I would consider one of these mini PCs once the tech could play recently released games at 1080p 60 fps.
*medium or better 1080p 60fps
The time has come, my friend.
Hey Russ, any chance of testing this with chimaera OS to get a "steam console" experience? Thanks!
"Mysterious 2023 Game" made me spit milk out my nose LUL
I can't believe noone did teardown of this little beast. Ppl wtf ?
Thabks for the video. I think you should really consider making a dedicated video around moonlight or duo. There is much potential that many people do not know about.
Duo looks very useful, I would like one of your tutorials talking more about it.
Ikr I was just looking for a solution that would allow me to stream baldhur gate 3 from my gfs PC to my steam deck but would still allow her to play rim world or rune factory she had a decent PC first or second gen ryzen 7 and I think a 1660
I use Aster Multiseat, but it just work for streaming from the 'main' user
@@oliversucre do you mean I could stream and play from the same PC but only with the same steam account. If I misunderstood my bad.
I can't wait for the relative near future where you can have an all in one box for the living room that will do modest gaming/emulation at 4K, and a bit cheaper. We are so close too maybe within the next generation of mobile AMD graphics it'll be a reality. I'd put two 4TB SSD's in one of these (if not limited by the firmware), install ChimeraOS, and download my entire steam library and roms to it lol.
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@@bulletpunch9317 Had several of them. Emulation is much more of a hassle than it's worth on it, and repurchasing all my Steam games on the Microsoft store would literally be thousands of dollars. Also the proprietary storage is laaaaame as well as playing anything at 30fps.
Pretty much everything in your comment is already possible as long as you take "cheap" out of it lol. By the time something like that gets cheaper than this thing, it won't be able to play new games at 4k anymore.
Also if you're already going to put your own storage in one anyway look at the old version of this with the ryzen 9. The barebones kit on that one goes for like $500 somewhat frequently now.
@@GhostAcez Yeah I could of elaborated a little. 4K as the 8th gen stuff/some of the easier to run 9th gen. Like Forza Horizon and Doom. It'll be quite some time until integrated graphics are anywhere near the performance of the 6600m. I might scoop the hx90g that your talking about in a few months but I already have a decent desktop, gaming laptop, and Steam Deck so I already have a decent amount of stuff lol it would just be nice to have something dedicated for the living room. I guess for $500 you really can't complain for what your getting.
@madgodzilla12465 Well it could be sooner than you think if the rumored Pheonix Halo chip from AMD is all its cracked up to be. It will be a mobile APU that has an igpu that's essentially a mobile version of the rx 7700 xt.
My HX77G which i purchased 10 days ago is inside a return crate because it will crash (reboot) after playing games (mostly Microsoft Flight Simulator) for like 10-15 minutes. Far Cry 6 oddly holds way more time, but will still crash randomly if i play for real long periods of time. I don't think this mini PC can handle the heat (pun not intended) for long.
I don't think heat will crash a system, maybe slow it down but crash it that's definitely a big fault
That’s not good to hear as I also bought one. I’ve personally only played Lies of P for a couple of hours at most. Might have to try an extended period of gameplay. I did get a low memory warning on Forza Horizon 5 but seems to be a common issue. I was about to turn it off anyway and did have MSI AfterBurner open and HWinfo, so will have to see if I play it again if it has the same issue. Hopefully u just had a bad batch and get a new one soon that works a lot better.
@@danielm2808 Yeah hopefully that's it because when running MSFS, it won't hold for more than 20 minutes ever. I have requested a refund anyway until i can get more data on it, i hope yours works good.
@@TRX25EX It's not an actual "crash", it reboots to a black screen. Something to do with the GPU/Power Rails/PSU? Who knows.
No way did you play MSFS for 15 minutes. It needs at least three hours to update every time it boots up…
Looks greatand minis quality seems to have improved ..though heard their support sucks.. The Ser7 is really compact is it comparable to this one ?
The ser7 has a processor that's a bit better but it only has a integrated graphics card which means that graphics performance is quite a bit worse. on the ser7 you will be able to play games on 1080p in medium or mid settings depending on the game. with hx77g you will be able to play most games at 1440p high settings which is quite a jump. If you only want to play emulators and surf the web, the ser7 is perfect. If you want to play pc games, i would recommend the hx77g or something else. The ser7 isnt the best for that
holy bleep. why am i building SFF? ill jump pick one of these up. thank you Russ, have a good week
2:34 actually it isn't because its dual channel. Its because its DDR ram. Dual channel just increase the throughput in a nut shell, also means there's at least 2 sticks of ram.
The very nature of DDR ram means its doubled, ddr means DoubleDataRate so sometimes it shows the true speed before doubling it, more then not it shows it doubled though.
" Mysterious 2023 Game " 🤣🤣🤣😂
Brilliant and exhaustive video, just one question: were you able to understand if it is possible to use the iGPU of the 7735hs or is the mini-PC stuck on the RX 6600m? It would be nice to use the iGPU in everyday use (browser, email) and the RX 6600m for gaming. The 7735hs has a pretty decent 680m iGPU for emulation too (even the N1nt3nd@ Switch). all with a view to reducing temperatures and consumption... I couldn't find from the comments whether you have already answered.
Russ, the mosaic made me laugh!
Would've been cool to see the power use from the wall
From another reviewer... 22 watts at idle... 176 watts while 1440p gaming.
Now do those benchmarks again with HDR turned on.
RIP Chicken the greatest cat on TH-cam
Hey Russ, wondering if you can add in BG3 in your PC game testing for things moving forward. I know you like to standardize it so not sure if that's a change you can make. Looking to pick up one of these and wanting to get a decent experience in that game specifically. Also when doing comparisons to these devices I would love and find it really cool to see a comparison to a same price or less full size PC with same or better specs, and same with laptop. That way your showing whether there is a full size pc on the market for less or same that does same thing, same with laptop. To really compare whether that price point for those specs are really worth it just to get a smaller form factor. Or vice versa if its a great deal because its so much cheaper for those specs at that price point vs the other form factors.
Graphics wise it isn't that intensive, it love the CPU tho. So long as its a semi-modern chip and more then a quad core, it should be fine :) (Steam Deck is pretty decentish with it, but it does have hiccups i hear.)
Russ, is that a Music Hall MMF 5.3SE I spot? Amazing turntable and awesome video as always
It’s a Project U-Turn!
@@RetroGameCorps fantastic turntable as well my friend ♥️
The HX77G is way too close in performance to the HX99G, I hope they come out with a 7k series graphics card version at some point soon (or skip it for the 8k, since they're kinda late)
Yeah i got this but I noticed even the next one they are releasing with an intel CPU still has the RX6000m which surprised me, although there is a comment above about AMD not releasing a mobile GPU with NAVI32 yet, so maybe thats why (I’ll be honest, I’m not hundred percent sure what that means though 😂). Obviously its way too early to think about upgrading for me but i hope in a few years time the GPU’s are much more powerful rather than being behind.
Been using moonlight and sunshine for an age now (after nvidia got rid of game streaming) but amazing find on duo ! Means I only need the one machine .....
If Nintendo ever knocks on your door: I just got a Switch ad as the first ad for your video. Would it be fair to say that Nintendo is actually paying you?😂
Thank's for information😊
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Am I missing something? Why did you compare this to that laptop which didn't seem to have a dedicated GPU and less RAM and storage? I don't get it.
Also, why did you say this wouldn't be good for video editing?
Thanks for the review. Which MiniPC would you recommend for Premiere Pro video editing?
I spy a Nuphy Air 75 v2! I got my white one today with blue switches.
I'd love if you could try to put chimera os on it and try to unlock the full power of it
Oh god..Too Human on the 360 was such a mess. It felt like it had potential but it was just confusing 😂
"Mysterious 2023 game" is clearly E.T. on the Atari 2600. You can tell because of the object gluing and manipulation going on. And all the green.
It's definitely not a game that rhymes with Beers of the Dingdom.
The HX99G is my main PC and it plays everything I throw at it.
have you had any issues with it?
@@idk-yl1fb none at all! I opened it up and added an SSD with no issues. You can definitely get a more powerful PC for the price, but it's not much better at this small size.
This is a beast at 1080p and I even play many games at 1440p
Thank you!
will you do a review on the legion go next
week
attack of the mini pc's!
Could you do a separately video about Duo? that application seems very helpful for playing a online game like warframe with someone in the same computer.
Please!
No
with duo, could I play using moonlight in my handheld device while someone is using the mini pc to watch netflix or listen to spotify etc?
Whyyyyyy no 7600m, i would smash that buy button so hard 😢😢
7600m is only 1-2% faster than the 6600m
Is this going to be better for someone planning to buy legion go but will mostly use it in a desktop configuration?
dual channel doesnt double the speed in mhz, 'DDR' is double speed but that has nothing to do with the number of channels.
they probably lowered throttling temp to 80 for noise reasons. there should be a way to increase it back to 95. also 6600m is more of a 1080p high settings card. its basically a rx 6600 with lower power delivery and memomry bandwith.
95 Celsius is kinda terrifying though
@@colbyboucher6391 not really. this chip was designed to throttle at 95C. limiting it to 80C is leaving a lot of performance on the table. You cant really fry cpus anymore, they have really good thermal protections.
@xeros4000 Nah dude. Anything over 90 is bad. Gpu might be rated to 95 but your cpu isn't. And these cases are SMALL.
Can we connect this to the TV and use any controller we like for example the DualShock?
For emulation, most of the struggling games (like the one that shall not be named) were limited by the CPU. That being said, the 7735HS sadly is only a last gen (Zen 3+) refresh instead of being Zen 4 like a 7840. In Cinebench R23 the 7840HS is roughly 15% faster in single core and 25% faster in multi-core vs the 7735HS.
The interesting thing is, that the 7840HS is faster than a desktop Zen 3 5800X in C23 at roughly half the TDP.
I find it quite powerful for a multi purpose device. You can do far worse without actually saving any money. If you want high end performance, you wouldn't got for a small form factor PC like this.For office work it's overpowered, but so are the MacBook Pros my work place has been spending 4000 Euros a pop for... *cough* secretary work on a 4k laptop... *cough*
As an IT admin, I would prefer more serviceable devices, that I can easily repair, but sadly even the PCs and Mini PCs we have contracts for (getting them quite a bit cheaper) are OEM workstations that don't use standard parts for parts like mainboards or PSUs.
Viable 1440p is kinda wild to me.
only at 60Hz tho. That GPU should be able to do 144Hz and it cant. Maybe worth it at ~$600 tho for a console experience with Chimera OS.
but if i buy this it's about 850-870€ with ram and an ssd..the ser 7 is only 620€ :/
How's the newest version the hx100g.
How are the games on that one.
I wonder, is it possible to Tune the CPU with PBO2 Tuner?
How did you get that color for that 8bitdo controller looks good is that a custom job you did yourself unless that is a switch pro controller?
It's their famicom edition: www.8bitdo.com/f40/
Do you think this has enough horsepower to do some VR like Half Life Alyx?
Sorry if it's been asked before, but price aside- what is the best overall mini-pc? I keep finding ones w/ WiFi issues, overheating, subpar performance, etc. I care a lot about maximizing open space, so I'm willing to pay a premium for a mini-pc vs. a full sized tower (I currently own the giant fucking Alienware Area 51 R2)
This is a great little pc for 1080p gaming, I use mine for casual gaming on my tv at 1080p 60fps works great its better than I thought it was going to be, I've had no issues so far. I've not had any wifi issues and zero crashes, on windows 10, best mini pc imo is the miniforum um780xtx due to it's egpu potential..
So nice
Would you recommend the SER7 you reviewed over this?
Is this good.. im not a real techie person.. my current pc have 1650 gpu.. is it an upgrade.. im playing ff14 most of the time
Wow, I love mysterious game 2023
Does anyone know if this will take a 4tb m.2 drive? Edit: yes it does and it also work in raid fine I use 2x 4tb drives in raid 0, synthetic bench over 13400mbs read and 13800 Write,
Unfortunately it's not that power efficent, and also you can't upgrade everything in it :/
So would this be good for my 1080p 27 monitor that has a 75hz limit?
I like it but it’s all about the gpu for me followed by cpu I need 4k graphics for my 65 inch oled tv
Can anyone tell me where I can download switch games for YUZU or CEMU without a scam ? 😅😅
Is this good for CSGO2 or Call of Duty gaming?
Notice me senpai
Christ.
hey there, where is that excel sheet at? love to look it over
It's linked in the description, but here is a direct link: tinyurl.com/RGCminiPC
No dual 2280 NVMe?
Theres really no reason why these shouldnt be able to support 144Hz as the GPU is capable of that. Thats a bit disappointing.
Why would you think that? I have one connected to a 144hz monitor. No problem.
@@bobbarker1476 Because the product page states that the ports only support 60Hz. Just because you have it connected to a 144Hz monitor doesnt mean that its operating at 144Hz. Its a disappointing compromise for a product with relatively high end parts in it.
@@cjmoss51 Yes, it’s only going to be 60hz if you connect 4 monitors. If you connect only one, by usb4, you’ll get more than 144hz. Each monitor takes up more frequency.
@retrogamecorps it's taken me ages to work out what that mysterious 2023 game was. Google wouldn't give me a answer then I checked out tears and figured it out
Moonlight on amd? Duo stream can do two steam accounts? Yeah, totally legit😂😂😂
14:47 my what
can anyone help me with keyboard config for emulation
Sucks that it's a 7735, AMD is using some shady naming but it's actually a last gen CPU.
The rx6600 is also last gen too.
This would be fine if it was really cheap, but it's really not, you're better off buying something from the new but old stock section, it would be cheaper
12:38 - mysterious game definitely does not have an acronym that souns like TikTok
does it support linux, i want it to be a linux server .
what is the keyboard that you are using?
giant power bricks for these types of mini pcs is kind of cheating, especially when someone’s point of shopping for one is not to drain the electric bill.
I think it's not that expensive if you compare it to a mini PC and eGPU setup.
I sent my son this mini pc for college to use in his dorm for his bday.. He called me in a rage telling me how horrible this pc is. Its over heating! Its crashing! i've never seen anything like it. I am really upset! Im trying to play a game with my friend and its so hot you could cook eggs on it! I asked him if the cooling was blocked? He said well I put it up on this little block will that make it better? He sent me a pic and I had to find some pics on how the thermals worked.. turns out the fans are on the TOP, and blow out the side.. Guess which way he had his pc sitting on the desk? UPSIDE DOWN so the fans couldn't get any air.... 😅 Kids these days, I tell ya. Says its great now, pretty amazing how small and powerful it is. And quiet! Saves so much space from the giant desktops of old.
So this GPU is way faster than a desktop GTX 1660 Super. Interesting.
Wait, I am confused how you don't think it's fit much for outside gaming. Don't video editing programs see and use the dGPU on this? Surely they must all do that in 2023, right?
Anyway, good video. I would definitely buy it if I could afford it. Thanks for sharing.
Video editing will require both a fast multi-core CPU and GPU power to work well, I think this will still be fine for 1080p editing but I would wager that I can't really hold up well for 4K video editing. This CPU came out earlier this year but it's really just a repurposed version of last gen's AMD CPUs. It'll definitely be great for gaming, but I think the CPU will be bottlenecked in other uses.
@@RetroGameCorps Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it.
is there gpu in this mini pc ?
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Probably would just get an OptiPlex SFF (8th or 9th gen CPU) with a low profile 4060
That would die when trying to emulate ps3.
Well. Not die, but yeah no on ps3 emulation
with the price here (alot expensive), its better to buy the mac mini instead
Noice
RNDA 5 MISSING LOL
Its such a shame it doesnt have a 7600m
I know 😢
Its also a shame that it doesnt do 144Hz. I feel like at this price and with that specific GPU you should be able to do that.
That's not a bad deal