@@BromoVolk Physically it's not similar. it's a larger board. Also, it's more powerful. And, it uses a different machine language (X86 rather than ARM). X86 has more software and operating systems coded for it, than for ARM. The only thing way this board is similar, is in price, which is $35.
Those Intel sticks are 2 to 3 times the price of this thing. Hope they mantain the price so I can buy a couple of them, otherwise used intel sticks are cheap as pizza...
@@SimonWoodburyForget That happened with a certain windows tablet I bought. It went down to like $40 or $50, then once it built up some hype, bam, the price basically tripled
@@SimonWoodburyForget There is good and bad software, just like arm.... I use professionally a lot of old software that only exists on x86. I know what you will say ;) but changing work flow takes time and money, when there is no need to
Got mine yesterday. I put a 128GB USB 3.0 on it with a USB 3.0 hub. 2 Wifi. Antenna's Installed Plex on it. Picked to use hardware decoding and it works with a 4K I put on the 128GB stick! Works super good and that is going though WiFi too. Just wanted to let people know this #35 computer can be use as a server with Plex movies on it. I am using a N-video shield on a 4K TV to play it. I have not tested playing right on the atomic Pi yet. It's the OS that came with it still. Wow I did not think it could do this but is does. Can play 4K moves and something that can do it thought WiFi too.
Raymond Day does this mean it’s using HW quick sync to transcode Plex media (1080p) on the fly? If unsure can you test if possible. If that works that would make it an awesome server!
@@rvbrexer What???? you want a freaking RTX 2080ti on a SBC to play fortnite???? Even in gaming this does very well. I can play some dolphin games on my x5-z8350 tablet, even a lot of steam games I can run just fine in it. On a tablet that lasts 4+ hours on battery while gaming... I´m playing guacamelee currently :D A 35$ SBC that runs more games than you will be able to play on your life time is quite a good deal, even if it won't run FortCraft at max settings, 16K and 344566788fps...
@@bleem2951 It seems that it can run only 2D games at full speed, in that case is not much different from an RPi3. It's a good price and I actually would like to buy this board, but not for gaming.
I funded this as a kickstarter back in December and received it February. Awesome little board. Just a few quick notes for anyone curious about it: * The power input isn't natively onboard. You can make a jumper to power it as ETA did, or just do what I did and buy the baby breakout board. * There are really no cases for it. There is a 3D print available but it's for the board and additional breakout board (not the baby board) together, not just the single board. * The BIOS likes to show a weird error that something is missing once you change the settings from stock. I want to say you can ignore it as it still boots with your settings. * It doesn't bring the antennas for wireless or bluetooth. They work but at a really short distance. * I'm using it headless with VNC and running it as a Plex server. It's perfect for it. Media is on a 4TB connected directly to router but AtomicPlex sees the share as SMB and gets it out perfectly. Love this little board.
This is basically an Asus Vivobook in Pi form. They run Windows 10N perfectly. I use a similar spec as my daily driver. No problem running fanless. Great find. Thanks for the heads up.
just buy a nuc..... it would litterally be better in every way you can imagine plus would probably have the same if not better specs the atom and celeron based nucs can be had for sub 100
If they can keep up with supply I could see this being real popular , for non USA markets (AU/NZ/CA) this could be a great replacement for the 50 buck pi that is limited to ONE per order
@@ShortHandedNow I wont run win 10 if I able to but it wont be as slow as you think. Unless you are comparing this thing to a full 100W+ desktop. My tablet with x5 z8350 runs just fine. admitelly I have 4 gigs of ram but it wont change much
@@bleem2951 A difference of opinion when it comes to what is an acceptable experience I guess :). I have an old dual core Xeon 5120 That clocks in at 1.8Ghz and I find THAT to be a more acceptable Windows 10 experience. (15 year old server).
@@ShortHandedNow I get what you mean (y) And somwhat agree with you, a core2duo or quad is much faster on javascript rich web pages than the atom. But the old cpus can´t be put in a tablet and game for 4+hours on a single charge, or a small SBC with GPIO pins. I´ve recently bought a old lenovo core2duo pc and stuck in there a q6600 from ebay. Total cost was around 20 euros, it won´t use less than 10W but it will work just fine for every thing I throw at it.
@@pilabs3206 Depends on what you are using it for? Based on pure specs, sure, this is going to be a better non-portable machine when compared to the RPI3. 5V/4A is a little too power hungry for portable projects. If raspberry pis are going to be less portable and modular, I don't think it would have any troubles out competing its competitors given their huge following and company. Also, software support. But yeah, we've been waiting for emmc & USB3.0 on the PI for for a long time.
Thanks so much for this review! It's a fantastic board for the price! I received mine from the Kickstarter a couple of months ago, and it's a really great bunch of guys that put it together AND they sent them out EARLY (very rare)! The great price is no scam or bait and switch: they made these main boards a while ago apparently for a project that was cancelled. So they have slightly modified them and made them a Kickstarter as a "maker" board/sbc for hobbyists. That's why they have all those great add-ons like the gyro and accelerometer etc, etc. If you get them from the main site, you can get the mezzanine board to add another USB and also to connect power more easily. But my main point here is....since they are remaindered from a project, i am sure that they will not be re-made again, especially at this great price, because their main costs were used by the original project. Let's face it....what other SBC's do you know that will run Windows 10 or emulate as fast as ETAPRIME shows here for $34? None! Sadly, though, i am pretty sure that when these are gone, they wont be seen again. That's why i have just ordered another from the main site. Even with shipping, nothing competes! And no, i dont work for them or anything......i am just an original buyer from Kickstarter and loved the way these guys did even better than they promised for us backers. Sorry this has gone on so long. I didn't intend to. I just wouldn't want them bad-mouthed as "bait and switch" guys.
I'm glad you got this up here. When I saw it on the home Assistant subreddit I was skeptical as I couldn't find ANYTHING on it. Thanks for the video. I'll be sure to buy one once they're available again.
YES! I was hoping you'd be testing this :) I saw a news article about it the other day and got ridiculously excited, haha! Dirt cheap x86 SBC should offer a *substantial* experience improvement over the Pi3 for emulation. At least.. I hope... haven't finished watching the vid yet :P ~edit~ Aw fiddlesticks :( PSP, DC, and GC all struggle in heavier titles.. that's phooey! :(
Yeah Intel's Atom CPUs are far slower than the rest of Intel's chips. They were Intel's answer to the rising ARM CPU's popularity in the mobile market with low power consumption being the main goal so they are more in line with ARM CPUs in terms of performance (Or a bit slower actually)
I use lubuntu a ton. I have it as my home daily driver and use it on old single core Asus netbooks with 2 gig ram and it makes that stuff fully usable. It makes a core duo simply mind blowing with 4 gig ram.
@@maverickmadison7392 they recommend 5v 4a for stability. Under current-ing small electronics and especially computers is really not recommended. You get issues that aren't worth dealing with. Just power it properly
This is great. Over the last year or so, I've seen mini computers with this z8350 chip that were way more expensive. For example, until quite recently, I've seen the Intel Compute Stick, with this 8350, going for close to $200 CAD.
Excelent ETA thanks for the review of the Atomic Pi, now looking forward to see more testing on Windows and see if emulation performs better. Looks good for the price and performs ok on Linux.
WARNING FYI WARNING this board is a system pull from a robot, this means limited stock , "explaining computers" just did a video on this. This board was part of a tear-down of a production line and was sold in lots of 8000. The proof is the model number of the board
This thing and the Retroflag GPi case at around the same time. Bad timing for me as I can only pick one and I'm pretty set on a modern DMG-model Gameboy. Cool to see you got one of these to play with and show in videos. I look forward to seeing what it can do.
not sure what the problem is but Pi's running ubuntu and retropie have too much input lag and makes the classics unplayable. Run emulators on windows and no issues. I wish there was a no or very low input lag solution because I love retropie.
@@oepolish Raspberrypi is where my experience lies. I tried several emulators on a rasPi along with hours of troubleshooting, various fixes and nothing could reduce the lag enough to where games like pac man, mario bros, donkey kong, etc where playable. They looked fine but the milliseconds of delay made it unplayable. I switched to a PC with windows 10 and bigbox and they run perfect.
I remember playing blade & soul on my 2014 asus atom processor tablet in all low settings with a mouse and keyboard, and it was actually able to run it.
Atom based chips are not that fast. Its faster than the chip on the Raspberry Pi for sure but modern ARM based SOCs found on flagship phones outclass them in both performance and power consumption. They are not comparable to Intel's desktop CPUs at all.
Do you think you could test some big PC games with it? Like Half Life, or maybe even some random MOBA? I'm really curious because it has similar specs to the first GPD win or somewhat like it.
www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Cherry-Trail-Benchmarks.140902.0.html No way in hell are you running PC games on this, not unless you're going back to 90s era PCs. This benchmark result was for the larger Cherry Trail Intel HD chip, the one with 16 Execution Units (instead of 12, like in this SBC) paired with the higher-end Atom processor, the x7-Z8700.
If you just want game streaming: Valve is adding official support for steam link for the raspberry with the discontinuation of their own hardware. It can handle streaming easliy. But if you want to run some steam games locally you will need to wait for the atomic pi as steam doesn't currently offer ARM builds at all.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Shadow is a cloud gaming subscription service. Kinda like Google's new gaming service. I think shadow gives you a "cloud rig" with a 6 core cpu, GTX 1080 -ish, and 16gb ram for 30 bucks a month. It's supposed to work on pretty much any device, but I couldn't get going on Raspberry Pi. The Atomic Pi however looks like it could tackle the shadow app no problem.
@@hermanrwebster Ah, you are talking about the shadow streaming service. I was thinking about the Nvidia "Shadow Play". :P thanks for clearing that up. I have no experience with that service. But i run into trouble configuring the pi with an nvidia card for streaming. but i also tried that way before valve announced official support, so i had to mess around with the nividia stuff directly. some kind of modified nvidia shield software if i remember correctly.
And also: i have my doubts that this atomic pi ever becomes available again at that price point. Since we have a history of SoC too good to be true never becoming available (again after a short run). And this currently looks like it. But who knows, maybe we get a second raspberry pi thing where only the second batch takes an eternity. Oh boi i remeber the first batch skyrocketing in price thanks to scalpers and limited availability. Thank god i got 2 from the first one. i could even sell the second one to a friend for the regular price.
I wanna see playing x265 videos on this thing. RPi3 is really struggling to do software x265 decoding. I want to replace my RPi with this so I can use the RPi for other project instead.
Some of the RPi's SBC competitors claim to have hardware H.265 decoding. I know the Le Potato can do it (in Android, at least). Maybe even in Linux now that the drivers have been updated.
According to the Intel website it's 64 bit and supports AES-NI so should be good for current and future pfSense. The RAM might be a bit limited if you want to run a number of hungry extensions though.
I tried to install pfSense but it wouldn't boot. The bios seems to only boot EFI , and from what I can tell, the pfSense media doesn't have an efi partition.
WTF! I think that this is going to dethrone the Raspberry Pi Foundation!!! :O I can't believe how powerful this thing is, doing ANYTHING on a Raspberry Pi is so sluggish comparatively.
No problem with n64 at higher internal resolution on my tablet. Any thing up to game cube runs flawlessly, Super mario sunshine runs ok but is a 30fps game.
@@frostedfiresmods2059 Wont run correctly, sorry. At least on my machine. Nor will Mario kart, Twilight princess or Brawl. I Think I´ve tested New super mario and it worked ok, not sure as it was a long time ago.
I purchased a Pi 3B+ to be used as a media player with a Pi DAC PRO, but regrettably, I cannot use the DAC as the drivers are NOT loaded for some weird reason. I contacted the makers of the DAC, and very astonishingly, their suggestion is to randomly try other precompiled Pi OS images. This means, they have NO idea what configuration/installation is necessary to make their product work. My installation is customized so that I can use the media player from a terminal. I do not want the inconveniece of having to use other devices to access my media player. What I can say, first the manufacturers of DACs, whatever, must produce drivers that they know they work. I am dissuaded from buying devices I cannot use.
@@josh223 the cheapest AMD CPU is the Athlon 200 GE. But it is $55. And if we compare to the mobile version, wich have 15w TDP( Athlon 300U), is too much. AMD need to make a 5w TDP and cheaper CPU
Seems nice for the price, but also a bit big, at least compared to the Raspberry Pi models I've seen. Would probably be better for permanent or semi-permanent installments, rather than an 'on the go' tool or retro game console. Why was the ping for your Wired higher than your wireless though? Just how much cabling was it running through, and how close were you when you were testing the wireless connection?
i'm new to this way of computing, i know the raspberry pi can run retro games no problem but ran into issues with 32 and 64bit era games but with these specs, will it be able to run gamecube/psx/n64 games good? im just looking for a better plug and play option. thanks, you seem to know your stuff so that's why i asked. cheers!
damn i watched the end of the video and it don't look promising. i think he was using linix instead of windows direct x abilities but it looked choppy. the search continues.
@@ashymush6414 PSX and N64, yes, no problem on most games. Consoles 1 gen above, like PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube... With standalone emus in W10 it will perform slightly better but it will struggle still. I believe he will cover them on his next video...
@@ashymush6414 On windows 10 tablet with the same cpu, gamecube/wii only a few games are playable with some tweaking. Only nice looking 3d game I´ve tried and able to run is Mario Sunshine wich runs at 30fps. Anything below is playable. PSP depends on the game but Gran turismo is very slow, Final fantasy tactics is amazing on ppsspp with touch screen enabled. You can play a lot of PSP games just like in the phone. PSx and N64 run better with stand alone emulators (fine with higher resolutions and filters enabled), rather than retroarch, wich uses more demanding cores.
Lack of Wifi and Bluetooth on board puts more power towards the rest of the chipset that benefits performance. If you need Wifi or Bluetooth- USB adapters give you the quick fix you need 'em for. I'm in a agreement- lack of Wifi and Bluetooth would go a bit further here.
I bought a stick pc a while ago that has 4 GB of the same ram and it has the same cherry trail quad-core SoC. It's definitely a capable set of specs. But the stick pc has less IO, but is much smaller and has a male HDMI.
Ould you try and see how this boards works as a retro MS-DOS / Windows 98 gaming system? Could you install Ms-dos on it, or windows 98 and run windows games natively?
You probably can install MS-DOS/FreeDOS but you won't have any sound. And Win98, that depends on how it detects the GPU, still you won't have any hardware acceleration nor sound and probably no USB. The best option would be Dosbox.
You can install newer versions of windows and get some games on GOG. Populous the beginning and dungoen keeper (under dosbox) run with no problem. Actually POP3TB runs better than in my desktop with amd GPU, wich have some glitches on hardware mode, with help of DgVooDoo.
The company that sells these (DLI) makes really awesome networked power controllers - I have a couple dozen of them in some industrial labs I run. I wouldn't have expected them to get into the SBC business though. $35 is pretty cheap for what it is.
@@LiLBitsDK Really? That's sad then. I've seen some atoms that i think that could use 4gb of ram at least. This reminds me of the old first generation atoms such as de n455 wich also were limited to 2gb. The newer ones arent, at least i think
@@eduardoavila646 Those old atoms are indeed limited to 2gb, I had 2 asus eeepc wich came with only 1Gb, slow AF! One of them came with so much bloat that it taken 5 to 10 minutes to be ready to use, when turned on. This chip will perform fine unlike older atoms. Where it struggles the most is websites bloated with java script like facebook, anything else is just fine
@@bleem2951 Yeah, more ram would be great for this one. Usually quadcore atoms = to decent low power processors, thats why i was surprised to hear that this one was limited to 2gb only.
I am really impressed by this board. Full speed emulation of several consoles and 1080p TH-cam video playback and all for only $35. All this time I thought the Atom processor was too weak to use.
The Cherry Trail Atoms are comparable in performance to the old Snapdragon 800/801, so actually very nice for the time and compared to many SBCs. But the Atoms were very prone to throttling which gave them a poor reputation and they were mostly intended for tablets. The heat sink on this looks like it should allow the chips to operate at full power leading to the good performance you notice for the low power consumption.
I had pretty much the same setup on a tablet and a compute stick. Willing to bet this will work much faster as it's been powered better and it's got a nice chunky heatsink. The tablet sort of managed to dissipate heat but the compute stick would throttle constantly.
Holy crap that beats the stuffing outta the pi 3 in specs and price. Well that's Xmas sorted.... They are still outta stock... This is a regular occurance with small makers, but at least selling out so fast might get them to raise cash for a larger order...
I want a single board ARM/Snapdragon computer with 4-8GB RAM. Quite simply, a board that is as fast as a modern phone. Without the screen, battery, sensors, and other expensive parts. The price of Atomic Pi is low but this Atom cpu has very poor 3D performance and suffers in AI. We do not want to have to use special reduced versions of all algorithms for boards like this. We want to run the same code as the phones are capable of running.
Just use the 32 bit version. Less RAM usage, and you can play ols games that you can't play on 64 bit OS. Obs: this board RAM is below 4GB, so 64 bit don't have advantage.
Windows 10 is pure concentrated crap. I wish Microsoft would move on and stop with the overly personal touches. Just make it run without having to set up an anonymous user account. And the updates are just ....it should be done better with the exp under Microsoft's hood...and yet it isn't.
Reicast would work better as well considering how well it runs on a Raspberry Pi 3. ETA is obsessed with Redream so he doesn't know much about other DC emulators.
@@teknokilr6074 Thanks but they sell for way higher than they do at the site of DLI... and that still excludes shipping. So I'll just wait till they start selling in Europe for a decent price. (cus $90 bucks for a single board, excluding import duties? no ty)
Pretty neat, especially for people building x86 applications, but I can already see the CPU and RAM being big limitations in the near future, especially since modern operating systems and programs are becoming more resource hungry as they become more complex. If you are using this for small projects like old emulation, kiosks and web browsing, it should be fine for the next couple of years.
The iGPU of the x5-z8350 is like a GeForce FX. You can play at lower resolutions all games up till 2004 at the highest settings. The fact you have 4 cores, you can actually end up playing Gears of War at lower resolutions at lower graphics settings.
Haha I literally bought this board 2 days ago. Awesome!
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Can it handle n64 games now without any sound issues?
Is it similar to the raspberry? I want to emulate on this because it looks stronger.
@@BromoVolk Physically it's not similar. it's a larger board. Also, it's more powerful. And, it uses a different machine language (X86 rather than ARM). X86 has more software and operating systems coded for it, than for ARM. The only thing way this board is similar, is in price, which is $35.
2032: heres the galactic pi with an intel i7 for $35
with 64GB ram 1TB SSD
Where can I get the Infinity Gauntlet GTX Platinum Pro Edition with an i9 ?
But it only offers an 16K capable display port. I am waiting for a version, that supports 32K resolutions.
I have Seen sbc with Intel i7 8th génération for 450euro
* Meanwhile everyone is playing VR open world games with full immersion...
Out of stock and im willing to bet the price will go up after this
it'll be $80 when it magically comes back in stock
@@SimonWoodburyForget Damm! I feel like you're right! I'm in the uk and can't find this, i wanna order a few!
Those Intel sticks are 2 to 3 times the price of this thing. Hope they mantain the price so I can buy a couple of them, otherwise used intel sticks are cheap as pizza...
@@SimonWoodburyForget That happened with a certain windows tablet I bought. It went down to like $40 or $50, then once it built up some hype, bam, the price basically tripled
They've got competition. The only thing this has on a brix, is the price.
OS: Ubuntu 18.04 and Up - WIndows 10 - Palm OS
There is Mu in libretro :)
more like Lite OS
no no no newer windows, android have only good option this board if make car pc.
Finally, x86 platform is great news for single board world for low price.
@@SimonWoodburyForget at the moment x86 is still the better choice since there is much more software available
@@SimonWoodburyForget There is good and bad software, just like arm.... I use professionally a lot of old software that only exists on x86. I know what you will say ;) but changing work flow takes time and money, when there is no need to
@@SimonWoodburyForget arm is awesome. I'm super impressed with my pi. There is so much we could do with arm that isn't being done because greed.
@@SimonWoodburyForget please linux euthanasia world. please let on your private no sense war at you home ...
Simon WoodburyForget right on. Its needs 4 Amps!
Got mine yesterday. I put a 128GB USB 3.0 on it with a USB 3.0 hub. 2 Wifi. Antenna's Installed Plex on it. Picked to use hardware decoding and it works with a 4K I put on the 128GB stick! Works super good and that is going though WiFi too. Just wanted to let people know this #35 computer can be use as a server with Plex movies on it. I am using a N-video shield on a 4K TV to play it. I have not tested playing right on the atomic Pi yet. It's the OS that came with it still.
Wow I did not think it could do this but is does. Can play 4K moves and something that can do it thought WiFi too.
Raymond Day does this mean it’s using HW quick sync to transcode Plex media (1080p) on the fly? If unsure can you test if possible. If that works that would make it an awesome server!
This is such a great value.
I hope more x86 boards start popping up, imagine one based on a low-end AM4 APU?
Something like 10w tdp would be nice
Raspberry Pi would see some serious competition, IF this gets enough community support
but by having an Intel GPU it's not good for gaming
@@rvbrexer Damn, check out this clever boy, gaming lol, are you dumb? Not everything is about gaming
@@rvbrexer What???? you want a freaking RTX 2080ti on a SBC to play fortnite????
Even in gaming this does very well. I can play some dolphin games on my x5-z8350 tablet, even a lot of steam games I can run just fine in it. On a tablet that lasts 4+ hours on battery while gaming... I´m playing guacamelee currently :D
A 35$ SBC that runs more games than you will be able to play on your life time is quite a good deal, even if it won't run FortCraft at max settings, 16K and 344566788fps...
@@bleem2951 It seems that it can run only 2D games at full speed, in that case is not much different from an RPi3. It's a good price and I actually would like to buy this board, but not for gaming.
@@z6fireace yeah, sure. Read ^this^
That's crazy! My cheap Windows tablet has similar specs and it's really good.
I funded this as a kickstarter back in December and received it February. Awesome little board. Just a few quick notes for anyone curious about it:
* The power input isn't natively onboard. You can make a jumper to power it as ETA did, or just do what I did and buy the baby breakout board.
* There are really no cases for it. There is a 3D print available but it's for the board and additional breakout board (not the baby board) together, not just the single board.
* The BIOS likes to show a weird error that something is missing once you change the settings from stock. I want to say you can ignore it as it still boots with your settings.
* It doesn't bring the antennas for wireless or bluetooth. They work but at a really short distance.
* I'm using it headless with VNC and running it as a Plex server. It's perfect for it. Media is on a 4TB connected directly to router but AtomicPlex sees the share as SMB and gets it out perfectly. Love this little board.
Gracias por el video.. Intel Atom x5-Z8350 por solo 35 usd =) EXCELENT!!! very low cost
This is basically an Asus Vivobook in Pi form. They run Windows 10N perfectly. I use a similar spec as my daily driver. No problem running fanless. Great find. Thanks for the heads up.
Like a de-boxed NUC of sorts, been looking for something like this for a while
just buy a nuc.....
it would litterally be better in every way you can imagine plus would probably have the same if not better specs
the atom and celeron based nucs can be had for sub 100
@@Sarge92 NUC is expensive AF
@@Sarge92 Maybe when they are used.
These are the kinds of benchmarks of real world relevant performance that I wish all channels had. I think that your work is high quality.
If they can keep up with supply I could see this being real popular , for non USA markets (AU/NZ/CA) this could be a great replacement for the 50 buck pi that is limited to ONE per order
Don't get any ideas of running Windows 10 on it. Painfully slow. (Speaking from Experience). Should be a kick-ass little Linux Box.
@@SimonWoodburyForget If only we lived in a perfect world... We can only dream.
@@ShortHandedNow I wont run win 10 if I able to but it wont be as slow as you think. Unless you are comparing this thing to a full 100W+ desktop.
My tablet with x5 z8350 runs just fine. admitelly I have 4 gigs of ram but it wont change much
@@bleem2951 A difference of opinion when it comes to what is an acceptable experience I guess :). I have an old dual core Xeon 5120 That clocks in at 1.8Ghz and I find THAT to be a more acceptable Windows 10 experience. (15 year old server).
@@ShortHandedNow I get what you mean (y)
And somwhat agree with you, a core2duo or quad is much faster on javascript rich web pages than the atom.
But the old cpus can´t be put in a tablet and game for 4+hours on a single charge, or a small SBC with GPIO pins.
I´ve recently bought a old lenovo core2duo pc and stuck in there a q6600 from ebay. Total cost was around 20 euros, it won´t use less than 10W but it will work just fine for every thing I throw at it.
Thanks for the quick release of a video on that thing. I was very curious about it and looks like a great deal.
I would love to see this with Windows 10 / Bigbox / MAME to see how well it ran 👍
Same here, though considering the current Rasperry Pi can do that pretty well, I doubt that would be an issue.
wish there were a 4 gb ram version for around 50$.
Unfortunately, x5-8350’s memory controller supports only up to 2 gigs of RAM
@@nikolaylaptev6466 They don´t support dual channel though. The x7 version in the gpd win has dual channel support and help graphics power a little.
@@nikolaylaptev6466 I own a Chuwi Hi 10 Pro tablet with an x5-8350 SoC and 4GB of RAM. I think it natively supports this capacity of RAM.
There is a 4 gb version of the Atomic Pi for $150 and it comes in a case. It is listed as the Z83-F MINI PC
How is this priced so low? Raspberry pi foundation ought to upgrade their boards before they become obsolete.
This is like 6x the size of a raspberry pi. Not very comperable
@Jonathan Dagnillo Bigger is better >:)
@@toxiccan175 That's what she said
@@pilabs3206 Depends on what you are using it for? Based on pure specs, sure, this is going to be a better non-portable machine when compared to the RPI3. 5V/4A is a little too power hungry for portable projects. If raspberry pis are going to be less portable and modular, I don't think it would have any troubles out competing its competitors given their huge following and company. Also, software support. But yeah, we've been waiting for emmc & USB3.0 on the PI for for a long time.
@@jason6945 4amps is full out with usb3 devices running. If you used it in a simple project I doubt its power usage would be more than an amp.
Thanks so much for this review! It's a fantastic board for the price! I received mine from the Kickstarter a couple of months ago, and it's a really great bunch of guys that put it together AND they sent them out EARLY (very rare)! The great price is no scam or bait and switch: they made these main boards a while ago apparently for a project that was cancelled. So they have slightly modified them and made them a Kickstarter as a "maker" board/sbc for hobbyists. That's why they have all those great add-ons like the gyro and accelerometer etc, etc. If you get them from the main site, you can get the mezzanine board to add another USB and also to connect power more easily. But my main point here is....since they are remaindered from a project, i am sure that they will not be re-made again, especially at this great price, because their main costs were used by the original project. Let's face it....what other SBC's do you know that will run Windows 10 or emulate as fast as ETAPRIME shows here for $34? None! Sadly, though, i am pretty sure that when these are gone, they wont be seen again. That's why i have just ordered another from the main site. Even with shipping, nothing competes! And no, i dont work for them or anything......i am just an original buyer from Kickstarter and loved the way these guys did even better than they promised for us backers. Sorry this has gone on so long. I didn't intend to. I just wouldn't want them bad-mouthed as "bait and switch" guys.
I'm glad you got this up here. When I saw it on the home Assistant subreddit I was skeptical as I couldn't find ANYTHING on it. Thanks for the video. I'll be sure to buy one once they're available again.
I saw some on ebay
@@teknokilr6074 I reached out to them at the address on their store and haven't heard anything back.
@@bcrowie1 On ebay there are some with either the full breakout board or the baby board
YES! I was hoping you'd be testing this :) I saw a news article about it the other day and got ridiculously excited, haha! Dirt cheap x86 SBC should offer a *substantial* experience improvement over the Pi3 for emulation. At least.. I hope... haven't finished watching the vid yet :P
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Aw fiddlesticks :( PSP, DC, and GC all struggle in heavier titles.. that's phooey! :(
Yeah Intel's Atom CPUs are far slower than the rest of Intel's chips. They were Intel's answer to the rising ARM CPU's popularity in the mobile market with low power consumption being the main goal so they are more in line with ARM CPUs in terms of performance (Or a bit slower actually)
What would you say is the best single board computer? (Not at $35)
I use lubuntu a ton. I have it as my home daily driver and use it on old single core Asus netbooks with 2 gig ram and it makes that stuff fully usable. It makes a core duo simply mind blowing with 4 gig ram.
The webcam connector is USB 2.0. Just need to make a cable for it if you want another USB port.
Digital Loggers direct has a breakout board that has a USB2 port on it.
Great video. I just learned about this computer a few days ago and was very curious about its capabilities. You answered many of my questions. Thanks.
I just contacted the company again. They said that the board should be back in stock on Monday.
That's for the heads up friend....
Aw man, I want one. This would be excellent for playing around with OS development I imagine!
I powered mine with just a 2.5A wall wart and it would not boot at all. Had to use an ATX power supply to get stable power for it!
Needs about 4a to 4.5a
how about you try any phone charger that output 5V and 3A
How much power those intel sticks need?
@@maverickmadison7392 they recommend 5v 4a for stability. Under current-ing small electronics and especially computers is really not recommended. You get issues that aren't worth dealing with. Just power it properly
Well, looks like I'll be picking one up! Great video. Keep the content coming!
I wonder if this would tick junior off as a replacement PC . Think of the power bill savings paying for this in about 2 months.
This is great. Over the last year or so, I've seen mini computers with this z8350 chip that were way more expensive. For example, until quite recently, I've seen the Intel Compute Stick, with this 8350, going for close to $200 CAD.
Excelent ETA thanks for the review of the Atomic Pi, now looking forward to see more testing on Windows and see if emulation performs better. Looks good for the price and performs ok on Linux.
WARNING FYI WARNING this board is a system pull from a robot, this means limited stock , "explaining computers" just did a video on this. This board was part of a tear-down of a production line and was sold in lots of 8000. The proof is the model number of the board
Wow, this would be so great, for many projects, if only it had more RAM, or even better an SO-DIMM slot :(
ElMariachi it’s a limitation of the cpu.
This thing and the Retroflag GPi case at around the same time. Bad timing for me as I can only pick one and I'm pretty set on a modern DMG-model Gameboy. Cool to see you got one of these to play with and show in videos. I look forward to seeing what it can do.
highly interested in the Windows10+9-axis navigation sensor!
There are so many single board computers. This might be the one I get to go along with my Raspberry Pi.
If it works with Ubuntu you can run retropie
not sure what the problem is but Pi's running ubuntu and retropie have too much input lag and makes the classics unplayable. Run emulators on windows and no issues. I wish there was a no or very low input lag solution because I love retropie.
@@Blopez_ he said he had issues on ubuntu not windows
@@STLMTB I was not aware that a SBC running Ubuntu and retropie had issues
@@oepolish Raspberrypi is where my experience lies. I tried several emulators on a rasPi along with hours of troubleshooting, various fixes and nothing could reduce the lag enough to where games like pac man, mario bros, donkey kong, etc where playable. They looked fine but the milliseconds of delay made it unplayable. I switched to a PC with windows 10 and bigbox and they run perfect.
that's really good value, it even makes sense to use this board as a cheap dekstop
These might be ideal for NOC monitors... Realtime stats on HDMI TVs :)
What is NOC?
@@TheRainHarvester Network Operations Center
A nice little machine. Sadly, they don't seem to ship outside USA.
I remember playing blade & soul on my 2014 asus atom processor tablet in all low settings with a mouse and keyboard, and it was actually able to run it.
Would buy it it had 4gb ram
Could use as my grandma's pc
She only reads news and browse facebook
larry the loser ...and 2g isn't enough to do that with? 🤔
@@Jonathan_Guice she is used to win 10 ,
win 10 usualy uses about 3 gb ram so no
If the folks at Lakka can come up with a build for this board, this would be an emulation speed demon.
Atom based chips are not that fast. Its faster than the chip on the Raspberry Pi for sure but modern ARM based SOCs found on flagship phones outclass them in both performance and power consumption. They are not comparable to Intel's desktop CPUs at all.
one of my friends who works at intel recommended this to me
My dad works for Nintendo
My dads bill gates
Wow!, looks good i'd like to get one, specs are nice as well as price, glad these all in one systems are getting more powerful now.
Do you think you could test some big PC games with it? Like Half Life, or maybe even some random MOBA? I'm really curious because it has similar specs to the first GPD win or somewhat like it.
Theres no way in hell.
It will probably run Terraria
@@fredtim9232 why not ?
Half life can run on my phone
www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-Cherry-Trail-Benchmarks.140902.0.html
No way in hell are you running PC games on this, not unless you're going back to 90s era PCs. This benchmark result was for the larger Cherry Trail Intel HD chip, the one with 16 Execution Units (instead of 12, like in this SBC) paired with the higher-end Atom processor, the x7-Z8700.
@@sabin1981 well he did say half life.
Nice choice choosing to run lubuntu 18.10, exactly what I was thinking!
This is perfect for turning it into a Shadow game streaming machine.
If you just want game streaming: Valve is adding official support for steam link for the raspberry with the discontinuation of their own hardware.
It can handle streaming easliy. But if you want to run some steam games locally you will need to wait for the atomic pi as steam doesn't currently offer ARM builds at all.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece Shadow is a cloud gaming subscription service. Kinda like Google's new gaming service. I think shadow gives you a "cloud rig" with a 6 core cpu, GTX 1080 -ish, and 16gb ram for 30 bucks a month.
It's supposed to work on pretty much any device, but I couldn't get going on Raspberry Pi. The Atomic Pi however looks like it could tackle the shadow app no problem.
@@hermanrwebster Ah, you are talking about the shadow streaming service. I was thinking about the Nvidia "Shadow Play". :P thanks for clearing that up. I have no experience with that service. But i run into trouble configuring the pi with an nvidia card for streaming. but i also tried that way before valve announced official support, so i had to mess around with the nividia stuff directly. some kind of modified nvidia shield software if i remember correctly.
And also: i have my doubts that this atomic pi ever becomes available again at that price point. Since we have a history of SoC too good to be true never becoming available (again after a short run). And this currently looks like it. But who knows, maybe we get a second raspberry pi thing where only the second batch takes an eternity. Oh boi i remeber the first batch skyrocketing in price thanks to scalpers and limited availability. Thank god i got 2 from the first one. i could even sell the second one to a friend for the regular price.
Wow, thats a steal!! Great video! Im going to buy one now!
I wanna see playing x265 videos on this thing. RPi3 is really struggling to do software x265 decoding. I want to replace my RPi with this so I can use the RPi for other project instead.
Shield TV is the best thing imo.
S905x TV Box works well for me. With coreelec
Some of the RPi's SBC competitors claim to have hardware H.265 decoding. I know the Le Potato can do it (in Android, at least). Maybe even in Linux now that the drivers have been updated.
This board maybe a killer for all boards right there,I wanted this board for Windows 10
I'd be Keen to know if it runs Pfsense or opnsense being x86, you would need a USB to Ethernet for the USB 3 port.
According to the Intel website it's 64 bit and supports AES-NI so should be good for current and future pfSense. The RAM might be a bit limited if you want to run a number of hungry extensions though.
I tried to install pfSense but it wouldn't boot. The bios seems to only boot EFI , and from what I can tell, the pfSense media doesn't have an efi partition.
@@TimPequignot stink, nevermind, thanks for the info
WTF! I think that this is going to dethrone the Raspberry Pi Foundation!!! :O I can't believe how powerful this thing is, doing ANYTHING on a Raspberry Pi is so sluggish comparatively.
Give them some props tho, without the Pi we probably wouldn't be having this SBC revolution!
Love to see Windows 10 on this and Hackintosh testing..
Windows 10 installs fine... but it runs like you'd expect a pc with 2gb of ram and less than a gb of free space to perform.
Holy crap this is amazing, I need this
Hella good value with this device. Awesome! N64 emulation?
No problem with n64 at higher internal resolution on my tablet. Any thing up to game cube runs flawlessly, Super mario sunshine runs ok but is a 30fps game.
@@bleem2951 How about Wind Waker?
@@frostedfiresmods2059 Wont run correctly, sorry. At least on my machine. Nor will Mario kart, Twilight princess or Brawl.
I Think I´ve tested New super mario and it worked ok, not sure as it was a long time ago.
There is no such thing as good N64 emulation :'(
Awesome video! Looking forward to see how well windows runs on the board! For office use and browsing. Thanks for the info about this excellent board!
Cloudready should work great on this, be a very cheap chromebook
I purchased a Pi 3B+ to be used as a media player with a Pi DAC PRO, but regrettably, I cannot use the DAC as the drivers are NOT loaded for some weird reason. I contacted the makers of the DAC, and very astonishingly, their suggestion is to randomly try other precompiled Pi OS images. This means, they have NO idea what configuration/installation is necessary to make their product work.
My installation is customized so that I can use the media player from a terminal. I do not want the inconveniece of having to use other devices to access my media player.
What I can say, first the manufacturers of DACs, whatever, must produce drivers that they know they work. I am dissuaded from buying devices I cannot use.
Cant wait to see an AMD equivalent if there ever is one
Maybe a single zen 2 cpu chiplet? Or a micro version of their zen 2 architecture? Itd be more expensive than this but itd be interesting to see
@@josh223 the cheapest AMD CPU is the Athlon 200 GE. But it is $55. And if we compare to the mobile version, wich have 15w TDP( Athlon 300U), is too much. AMD need to make a 5w TDP and cheaper CPU
You mean like the amd geode?
@@rj7250a Would be perfect if it was configurable to 5W, 10W and unlimited power for better cooling :D
My SBC dream!
I wish there could be option to make it 3GB or 4GB RAM. Awesome product by the way and nicely presented video.
With 8 GB I could run Gitea, Nexus3, Teamcity and Sonarqube on it. That would be perfect.
I think the main limitation is going to be the single USB port
USB hubs are super-cheap.
You get another USB-2 port with the mezzanine add-on board
Tell that to every ms surface pro user.
@tone167 In that sense the whole board is ugly without a case...
Seems nice for the price, but also a bit big, at least compared to the Raspberry Pi models I've seen. Would probably be better for permanent or semi-permanent installments, rather than an 'on the go' tool or retro game console.
Why was the ping for your Wired higher than your wireless though? Just how much cabling was it running through, and how close were you when you were testing the wireless connection?
Old chip, but for that price it's really good value. An CT Atom X7 for €50 would be great too!
i'm new to this way of computing, i know the raspberry pi can run retro games no problem but ran into issues with 32 and 64bit era games but with these specs, will it be able to run gamecube/psx/n64 games good? im just looking for a better plug and play option. thanks, you seem to know your stuff so that's why i asked. cheers!
damn i watched the end of the video and it don't look promising. i think he was using linix instead of windows direct x abilities but it looked choppy. the search continues.
@@ashymush6414 PSX and N64, yes, no problem on most games. Consoles 1 gen above, like PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube... With standalone emus in W10 it will perform slightly better but it will struggle still. I believe he will cover them on his next video...
The x7 I think is probably wayy more expensive, being the top of the stack..
@@ashymush6414 On windows 10 tablet with the same cpu, gamecube/wii only a few games are playable with some tweaking. Only nice looking 3d game I´ve tried and able to run is Mario Sunshine wich runs at 30fps.
Anything below is playable. PSP depends on the game but Gran turismo is very slow, Final fantasy tactics is amazing on ppsspp with touch screen enabled. You can play a lot of PSP games just like in the phone.
PSx and N64 run better with stand alone emulators (fine with higher resolutions and filters enabled), rather than retroarch, wich uses more demanding cores.
Should buy one ! This is awasome
All I wanted was a pi x86 with no WiFi.
lol why no wifi?
Rui Nunes: same
Some security based places ban anything with Wifi or Bluetooth.
I've seen people busted for their mouse or keyboard choice.
Lack of Wifi and Bluetooth on board puts more power towards the rest of the chipset that benefits performance.
If you need Wifi or Bluetooth- USB adapters give you the quick fix you need 'em for.
I'm in a agreement- lack of Wifi and Bluetooth would go a bit further here.
cost, energy and security. Besides that WIFI counts for more than 50% of all faults in modern hardware.
I want this little thing for my BeoWulf toy.
I bought a stick pc a while ago that has 4 GB of the same ram and it has the same cherry trail quad-core SoC. It's definitely a capable set of specs. But the stick pc has less IO, but is much smaller and has a male HDMI.
Ould you try and see how this boards works as a retro MS-DOS / Windows 98 gaming system? Could you install Ms-dos on it, or windows 98 and run windows games natively?
We need Phil's Computer Lab to test this.
You probably can install MS-DOS/FreeDOS but you won't have any sound.
And Win98, that depends on how it detects the GPU, still you won't have any hardware acceleration nor sound and probably no USB.
The best option would be Dosbox.
You can install newer versions of windows and get some games on GOG. Populous the beginning and dungoen keeper (under dosbox) run with no problem. Actually POP3TB runs better than in my desktop with amd GPU, wich have some glitches on hardware mode, with help of DgVooDoo.
Most of GOG games run on linux as well
Not at all, you won't get any driver for any of the components as far as I can tell
Yessir! Thank you brother!
No ones managed to mention if this HAS or HASNT got Intel IME in the bios
or a proper coreboot/libreboot
It's just a regular, well documented intel atom CPU. What makes you think it wouldn't have Intel IME? And no, coreboot is not supported.
Because that's very specific
charlie brownau we only came here because it’s basically a raspberry pi that can run windows 10
The company that sells these (DLI) makes really awesome networked power controllers - I have a couple dozen of them in some industrial labs I run. I wouldn't have expected them to get into the SBC business though. $35 is pretty cheap for what it is.
If it had socketed sodimm rams it would be a great little home server like a minecraft server with 8gb of ram.
Intel crippled the cpu so it only supports 2gigs
@@LiLBitsDK Really? That's sad then.
I've seen some atoms that i think that could use 4gb of ram at least.
This reminds me of the old first generation atoms such as de n455 wich also were limited to 2gb.
The newer ones arent, at least i think
@@LiLBitsDK It says so in intel ark website but is not true, the chip will support 4 gigs single channel. Check lenovo miix 320 for a good exemple.
@@eduardoavila646 Those old atoms are indeed limited to 2gb, I had 2 asus eeepc wich came with only 1Gb, slow AF! One of them came with so much bloat that it taken 5 to 10 minutes to be ready to use, when turned on.
This chip will perform fine unlike older atoms. Where it struggles the most is websites bloated with java script like facebook, anything else is just fine
@@bleem2951 Yeah, more ram would be great for this one.
Usually quadcore atoms = to decent low power processors, thats why i was surprised to hear that this one was limited to 2gb only.
I am really impressed by this board. Full speed emulation of several consoles and 1080p TH-cam video playback and all for only $35. All this time I thought the Atom processor was too weak to use.
The Cherry Trail Atoms are comparable in performance to the old Snapdragon 800/801, so actually very nice for the time and compared to many SBCs. But the Atoms were very prone to throttling which gave them a poor reputation and they were mostly intended for tablets. The heat sink on this looks like it should allow the chips to operate at full power leading to the good performance you notice for the low power consumption.
Looks like the latest sponsored hardware is going around
The fact it even runs gamecube at all is pretty damn impressive
4 Amps????? Through the GPIO?
20W
I had pretty much the same setup on a tablet and a compute stick. Willing to bet this will work much faster as it's been powered better and it's got a nice chunky heatsink.
The tablet sort of managed to dissipate heat but the compute stick would throttle constantly.
You can literally play csgo on this thing, imma get one, thx for this video for showing me this great pice of tech
Most likely not, though
Holy crap that beats the stuffing outta the pi 3 in specs and price. Well that's Xmas sorted.... They are still outta stock... This is a regular occurance with small makers, but at least selling out so fast might get them to raise cash for a larger order...
Let’s have some fun, pop in a goteck floppy emulator and see if it can boot into MS DOS 6.22.
THIS! I'm hungry for a fancy DOS music tracker / gaming setup. FreeDOS / DosBox is fine for most things, but still, nothing beats the real thing.
That cooler is ridiculous. Is this a Monty Python sketch?
....but can it play Crysis? ;)
lol you beat me to it
@@KingNothing22 someone had to say it... hahaha
Low spec gamer says "YES" on GPD win.
Made me subscribe
And now I want this instead of my raspberry pi
I want a single board ARM/Snapdragon computer with 4-8GB RAM. Quite simply, a board that is as fast as a modern phone. Without the screen, battery, sensors, and other expensive parts. The price of Atomic Pi is low but this Atom cpu has very poor 3D performance and suffers in AI. We do not want to have to use special reduced versions of all algorithms for boards like this. We want to run the same code as the phones are capable of running.
This will make a fantastic low budget media-pc
Windows 10 will use to much ram for this
Win 10 runs on 1 GB of RAM it will be fine
Just use the 32 bit version. Less RAM usage, and you can play ols games that you can't play on 64 bit OS.
Obs: this board RAM is below 4GB, so 64 bit don't have advantage.
I know it will work it just won’t work well unless you modify it to use less ram even with 32 bit
Windows 10 is pure concentrated crap. I wish Microsoft would move on and stop with the overly personal touches. Just make it run without having to set up an anonymous user account. And the updates are just ....it should be done better with the exp under Microsoft's hood...and yet it isn't.
Evil Insecticon I agree
For Dreamcast, im sure Demul on windows will give better performance, as well as NAOMI and Atomiswave support.
Reicast would work better as well considering how well it runs on a Raspberry Pi 3. ETA is obsessed with Redream so he doesn't know much about other DC emulators.
It's an x86 based computer and you didn't run Doom on it? For shame.
Thanks i was very curious about this board.
Truly amazing! I liked this one a lot! Sadly, can't buy one from Argentina.
Nice little board! I would like to see how it behaves with OMV and a couple of external drives with that single USB 3 and gigabit ethernet
So this could play n64, ps1 games no problem? Cause the raspberry pi 3 kinda struggles with those.
Awesome video, thanks for the review. Very informational.
These things are dope af for a Docker Swarm :)
I actually want to order some when they ship to Europe as well for my Docker swarm.
You can buy some on ebay now that ship to Europe
@@teknokilr6074 Thanks but they sell for way higher than they do at the site of DLI... and that still excludes shipping.
So I'll just wait till they start selling in Europe for a decent price. (cus $90 bucks for a single board, excluding import duties? no ty)
Pretty neat, especially for people building x86 applications, but I can already see the CPU and RAM being big limitations in the near future, especially since modern operating systems and programs are becoming more resource hungry as they become more complex. If you are using this for small projects like old emulation, kiosks and web browsing, it should be fine for the next couple of years.
8:00 This game was awsome! The nostalia is here!
The iGPU of the x5-z8350 is like a GeForce FX. You can play at lower resolutions all games up till 2004 at the highest settings. The fact you have 4 cores, you can actually end up playing Gears of War at lower resolutions at lower graphics settings.
Mine will be here Thursday...apparently late, Guess I should of paid extra for shipping. Lol
I would love to see some applications outside of emulation. Seems like a great system for offloading streaming tasks, media center, etc.