Magic Formula to Win at Craps?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2019
- Magic Formula to Win at Craps? No, sorry to inform you there is no way to avoid the casino's house edge. In this video I go in to detail in a system called the Doey Don't. A lot of people have a misunderstanding of what the house edge is on this bet. I spell this out and give you the benefits as well as the drawbacks to playing the doey don't.
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Thank you for turning me onto their podcast. I love it. I’ve been binge listening for over a week now. It like having a best friend that you can chat craps with.
Yep, love it, listened to all the episodes thru twice already!
Good video, Color up! Thank you for posting this! More information is always better, man.
It's actually a great strategy if you have the patience and discipline to use it. It does actually use the lowest possible house edge. The house knows this and tends to discourage it. I was backed off and told my play " was not appreciated" by a pit boss once. Some casinos are just douchbags when it comes to dealing with players who seek the best possible odds. It's the best way to get free odds with minimal risk. The house hates it because even though you will lose in the long run you don't lose fast enough for their taste - you are wasting a spot at their table where they could be taking the money from the usual player who makes foolish bets with worse odds.
Could always bet the 12 on the come out roll to hedge against it... Great content as always my friend thank you!
Yep, then its a no lose situation for the line bets, but the house edge on the 12 losing would bring the overall house edge up quite a bit.
Im ready to see some Doey Don't strategies up soon!
get John Patrick's book on Craps from his "So You Want to be a Gambler" series.
House edge keeps the lights on for them. Good work in explaining this.
Nice vid. I agree that a lot of people really don’t understand how the casinos look at individual bets that are combined so I’m really glad you touched on that. The Dewey don’ts best use is for the player who likes to place a lay bet against an established point. At a table that allows higher odds the amount the casino takes via the house edge is lower than the 20% commission for a normal lay bet.
I think you meant 5% but great point thanks
I’m confused by your comment. I thought the player can make a Lay bet on the 4 or 10 with a 5% Commission vig at any time after the point is established, & more importantly the 4 or 10 doesn’t have to be the point to make the Lay bet. If that is true, then my question to you is how does it matter if the player uses the Pass line, Don’t Pass line, or bets both ways at the same time? Color Up says the house edge is lowest with the Don’t Pass line only, compared to betting both ways at the same time. Please explain.
trigun1081 How does higher odds give a lower house edge?
@@dylandew1172 i don't understand what he was trying to say either
@dylan dew Higher odds lowers house edge because you spread the edge across a larger amount of money. Remember only the line bet has a house edge, so as you add more odds you have more money at risk but only the line portion has a house edge attached. $10 bet has a 1.4% edge. $10 bet with $100 in odds is now a $110 bet but only the $10 is subject to that 1.4% and the rest is at 0% so there is a mathematical average over the enter bet. You can find the chart of what the house edge drops to as you add more odds on many websites, i recommend the wizard of odds
Another great video here on the best craps channel. Keep it up.
You give the best information. Not a big doey don't person.
Great strategy! I love it and made 800 yesterday on it in about 2 hrs! Thanks for your videos!
Yes, but no one is playing 24/7. They're playing the short game.
Betting $1 on the 12 puts you at risk to only losing $1 instead of X dollars if you just played the pass line.
It's a great way to take a $15 or $25 table and turn it into a table that fits your budget.
I took the free craps class at Sam's Town (ST) the first week of March. The guy who taught the class was very entertaining and was very emphatic that Doey-Don't wasn't allowed on the ST tables. That stuck with me. My question is... Do casinos generally allow Doey-Don't betting, or not? (I realize I may have to ask first) BTW, I live in WA state and haven't been able to visit a craps table since my Vegas trip, due to social distancing - bummer!
Love all the Color-Up vids and have been learning a ton - Thanks for the content!This just might be my new obsession :-)
I would say generally allowed but certainly places that will not allow, sams town must be one of them.
I am fooling around with this as a way to reduce bankroll volatility for strategies that begin with a don’t pass bet. It is actually perfect for that, but then what do you do with that pass line bet hanging out there after a point is established?
Just an interesting observation: Add the casino edges for the Pass and the Don't Pass, and you get what the probability of rolling a 12 is. 1.41% + 1.36% = 2.77%. i/36, the probability of rolling a 12 is .0277777777777 or 2.77% rounded down. Just my $.02
Great Explanation, cheers! also the Doey/Don't bet will not get you player comps at the table or if they do, not as much as a straight better would. That may or may not influence your gambling? Some use the don't as a hedge then remove it if the point number favours them (6/8). Again the casino doesn't mind that as you are removing a bet that has more chance of winning, you've already passed the come out roll test therefore they want your pass line money which is more likely to lose.
I like to treat every bet I make as an individual bet, while you can get the accumulator effect of a pass line, field and hard way 4 for example, but most likely your hard way will lose, hence the better odds/payout. This is my method of managing my bankroll, if I am feeling lucky (I call that "Dirty Harry" style) I might do some prop bets with some winnings, with what many call the "house money" (no such thing, in my opinion, it is all your money if you chose to re-invest that is up to you). There is a reason that "The House always wins". And that is done using pure math.
The places I'm playing allow you to bet pass line and take odds after point is already established. My favorite way to ride the fence like the "doey don't" is to wait for a 4 or 10 then lay max odds and get a hard 4 that is sufficient to insure the total lay out. Then the easy way 4 or 10 is the only way you can lose. Even that can be insured by hopping it the easy way. As an alternative you could hop both the easy and the hard but remember the easy only pays 15:1 where as the hatd hop pays 30:1. The downside is when it goes into a long roll and insurance eats up all the profit
Pass line bet after the point is called a put bet, most casinos allow because it’s a great deal for the casino and kinda bad for the player as you miss out on the comeout roll when the pass has a big advantage.
@@ColorUp True however not all casinos allow odds behind a put bet and. Even though the casino has a nice edge on put bets it's uncanny how craps rolls on the comeout more often than what it should.
Lol even though the odds aren't as good on Roulette it sure as heck seems a lot easier to win sometimes. I was betting about 4 to $6 on eight of the same numbers every spin the other night and turned $300 into $1400 and walked. Over the years I've bounced back and forth between roulette and craps and it seems I'm usually winning on either one or the other but this last year roulette has been good to to me. As shown on my website sometimes I'll do a thing where I just stick with two numbers straight up until they hit. Color up will be proud to know that besides the $1100 profit I tipped about $250. Why not, she kept spinning my numbers,I keep throwing greenies. My favorite #s when not playing the two numbers only are (0,00,1,4,6,24,35,36)
@@tagmaster5854 Put bet break even point vs place or buy bet. Point of 6 or 8, 5x odds minimum,
Point of 5 or 9, 4x odds minimum. Point of 4 and 10 If the commission is paid after the win, the player needs 19x odds minimum, If the commission is paid before the win, the player needs 6x odds minimum.
Without a doubt my favorite podcast
I am going to the Orleans next month. I will try this and post the results.
A much better bet is "the oddsman", this is where you have a friend as your neighbor that you know won't use all their odds; you give them money to put on their odds. If you want a positive expectation, bet the don't; as soon as you establish a point, you have a positive expectation (just that pesky house edge on the come out, which I'd dilute with laying numbers on the come out.)
No way to beat the house edge? Don't tell "The Faming Pro" that. Love video!
This the Patrick System created by and written by John Patrick. It's not a bad system and one that can be hedged pretty well for the player that wants to grind it out.
Patrick talked about this in the 70's, and certainly popularized it. I think this has been around way before that.
I have a strategy question .. what if you do this: ($5/10 table)
Put $10 on pass, roll point, put odds on pass, put $10 on 5, $12 on 6, $12 on 8, $10 on 9, $10 on 10, *that should be about $100*, so then put $100 on dont pass 4 to cover the 7 roll ..
well you can't put money on the don't pass after the come out and chose your number...maybe you meant to make a lay bet against the 4 in that case you would need to lay $200 to win back $100 to cover the other bets.
I'm of the folks who submitted a dooey-don't strategy to your website. I agree its not a magic formula, but my strategy allows the player to always be winning on the more-likely outcome of every dice roll. This can't be said with the pass line or don't pass alone (with or without odds). $10 Pass, $5 don't, start with your odds on the don't, then move your odds to the pass line as you make more dooey-dont come bets. Happy to explain more if anyone's interested.
Ok, well I have so many submissions, so not sure where yours is in the queue
@@ColorUp Thanks for your reply. You're doing a great job with the channel. I completely get it if you're ready to pause on dooey-dont videos for now, but if you do revisit - mine was Dooey-Dont 3-Point Molly. Other topics that I think might be successful here - Win Goals and Stop limits. Taking down your place bets, come odds, and don't come bets after you've won a predetermined goal (Take the money and run).
Also, have you featured a "Odds working" video? I love to keep my come odds up after a point win - The odds stay true regardless. Keep up the great work.
One more question...using the doey don't system, can u also place a come and dont come bet? Then lay odds on that number?
You can yes, at least at most casinos.
One other issue with this system is that you are now limited with your odds and how much you can press. Not like that’s a big issue for most people, but if you did get on a huge roll you can only press so much. Assuming you are playing at a 3x4x5x. Again not a big problem, but with place bets you are only limited by the table limit, which is likely higher.
Max out the odds on a number as it pays true odds, then if you still want to bet more place it as well
Team Lerrur ... Another way to go up in odds if your at a hot table would be increase your base Pass line, Don’t Pass line, or Do & Don’t together. Then you can increase your odds according to that.
Headed to the casino tomorrow, need this now! (haha) Looking forward to this one. All the dark side betters at my casino do this. Then if point is 4 or 10 they put single odds on the pass bet, otherwise lay for 5,6,8,9
Good luck on coloring up! let us know how you do
@@ColorUp Colored up at Mohegan Sun, drove over to Foxwoods and colored up again! Great day (not betting doey don't). Also saw the biggest whale I've ever seen before: www.reddit.com/r/Craps/comments/awc6tt/biggest_whale_ive_ever_seen/
Glad you walked away a winner. Big gamblers are fascinating to watch.
5 dollar pas and dont pass. once point is set i put 30 on dont odds and 15 on pass odds while placing 2 other numbers 6-8 or if 1 is point 5 or 9. If point is. 4-10 15 pass odds is good 5-9 first hit i max to 20 on pass odds. point is 6-8 i put first 2 hits to max pass odds 25. any other winning rolls i place other numbers or press bets. pretty much a break even situation while i wait for a hot shooter. seems to work fairly well om wizard of odds even with the way it seems to roll patterns. dying to try at casino with 200$ bankroll .
Yes but if you lay odds on your don't pass you avoid the 7-Eleven on the come out rolls on the Dewey don't that would take a lot of your flat don't bet then place the 6 and 8 taking press is the best way been playing that way for over 5 years
This strategy can let you stay at a table for hours on a smaller bankroll. Just does don’t the pass/dp and the come/dc and bet odds on the 6/8 lay on the 4/10 and follow your heart on the 5/9. Can be a fun way to roll em and make a little cash if the table goes your way.
Yep
Jonathan Gerac Thank You for your comment, that is a great point.
"Strange game, the only winning move is not to play"
What nerds nobody got the war games reference 😂
I appreciate you explaining why doey dont will not work, and it's the same house edge. thank you,
It can work, but no better than anything else, and the casino always has an edge
In the very very long run, won't Pass line with max odds lose less than Doey don't? The difference is the volatility, the pass player can experience lots of swings while the doey don't will have a very flat curve, only lowering on average 1 out of 36 roll,.. slooooooowly grinding it self down,..
I have not much luck at craps. Takes alot of discipline to keep on a formula
especially when losing...
And I like Colorup’s page
That podcast was hilarious! Oklahoma......
After countless goes at this system online, I never really made a big profit or loss. Just minimal +/-. It am I missing something. I even tried different betting amounts. I like this system and it will definitely keep u in the game much longer. I plan to give it a go live this weekend. Any further tips?
It is hard to win money this way. Personally I suggest pick a side and go with it. More risk, but more reward.
I did the $75 DC strategy at El Cortez and colored up from 300 to over 1k twice in a weekend. These strategies rock
Awesome report! thanks for watching
El Cortez has great tables!
I only remember 2 very crowded dice tables at the El Cortez in downtown Las Vegas NV; $10 minimums.
Far more floor space is dedicated to slots and video poker, compared to table games.
@@UltimateBargains yep two tables, but when I was there it was $5 tables and they have a nice hard bounce and great response.
It's $5 and 10x odds. That's the best odds in Vegas outside of Crownwell.
Hey could you do a video on California craps, I went to Pechanga, and they play craps with cards kinda weird it threw me off, thanks in advance
Good idea. Yeah no real dice allowed in Cali
@@ColorUp Yes can you do one please. The RNG always throws me off
Merlin A Lopez ... It’s the same thing as two dice but slower because the player picks one card for one of the combinations of one die, then does the same for the other die. It’s totally random!
@@dylandew1172 still dont get it a demonstration would be helpful
Merlin A Lopez .... What I have seen is that they have six cards of one deck that represent one die, and six cards from a different deck that represent the other die. The box man flat mixes the six cards on the table, then has the “shooter” point and call out which card they want. Then they do it again with the other six cards, and turn them over, and that is what the roll becomes with both cards added together. They keep the two different group of cards that represent the each die separate.
I have a question and anyone can answer. I’m going to a casino soon and want to gamble in the most efficient way possible. I’m going to bring the 3 point molly strategy with me, but my question is, is there math to prove that 3 point molly is better than 2 point molly, 4 points, all points etc. can someone run a simulation of each scenario? Thanks! Great videos!
Edit: I ask because I feel like the more bets you transfer with the come bet, the higher probability the 7 comes out. Ex. 4 point molly you keep putting come bets and at that point 5/6/7 rolls have happened to get there compared to 2 point molly where it takes 2/3/4 rolls to establish those, less chances of a 7.
Each pass line bet on a x-molly strategy is independente. That means, from a house edge perspective, the number of bets don't matter. The consideration you should take is that, as the number of bets per shooter goes up, you increase variance, which is a great way to try to win big. However you need a bankroll that can support that and the mentality to understand that when you lose, you lose big.
In my opinion, the way to decide what X you want to play at any table and given time for your X-molly strategy is thus:
1- decide how much you want to bet per shooter.
2- if a single pass line bet with max odds gets you there, then you are done. Always try to get your level of variance that you are comfortable with through odds bet when possible.
3- If after adding odds, you still have money you want to play, add a second pass line bet with odds and so forth.
You'll find that for most casual players, this means a single pass line bet with high odds. Mathematically this is absolutely one of the best ways to play. The caveat is that it seems like most gamblers find this very boring, so they jump on more complicated strategies that "feel" like they should yeild better results and are more fun to play.
The Golden rule is to play craps for entertainment, not profit. If you internalise that, all bets on the felt can be good bets if they bring you an entertainment value. Just always know what that entertainment is costing you.
Austin Bennett My best advice is to know 1) every bet on the craps table is independent and they all have some house advantage (even the odds bets because they require another bet first 2) There’s not one strategy that will work all the time. All strategies will work at some point and at some point in time they won’t work. Color up will tell you, these ‘strategies’ will not help you ‘beat the house’, the will help you ‘manage your bankroll’. 3) bet according to your bankroll - if you want to last the ups and downs of the table I would have somewhere close to 10 X whatever you expect to have on the table at one time. 4) If you get 2-3 hot shooters where you’re system really gets hot. As soon as one or two begin to not throw where your system is paying out COLOR UP. Leave with the winnings. If they keep you at the table long enough they WILL get that money back. There’s no advantage or disadvantage to a 2pt molly vs. a 4 pt. Molly. You’ll win money faster or lose it faster the more money is at risk on the table. It’s a simple Risk v.Reward judgement you have to make.
William Rosa Amen! I should have included that. ... absolute rule #1 in craps. HAVE FUN! (btw, I've noticed when the table has a bad 'feel' because of either other players or the dealers bad attitudes I end up losing.)
Excellent response @william rosa thanks!
Why not play both the pass and the don't pass and add $1 chip on the horn 12? Then if the point set is an 8, you take off your don't pass bet and place max odds on the pass line. You only lose $1 and are protected each time on the come out roll regardless and you actually win on a 12.
Because the house edge on the $1 12 is enormous. And would lower your overall expected winnings (increase expected losses).
After the 36 expected rolls, you'd be down an extra 5$ instead of just the 0.77$
Not sure if you'll see this comment on an old video. Why not play an uneven doey don't? Play $5 don't and $15 pass. Since the pass line has the advantage on the come out you stand to make money. Then after the point is established add max odds to your don't pass which has the advantage after the come out roll. On paper it would seem the player would always have the advantage. Any feedback much appreciated.
You would have more money bet on the most likely outcome, so in that sense you do have the advantage, but like all hedging systems, you are losing money on the other side, and you are usually better off with the full win either way you play, dark or light. For instance, if you don't play the pass in your example, and can make it past the come out roll, now every time you win, you are getting extra $15 instead of giving it back, even though it does help you for the come out roll.
There might be a factor you're not considering. Sure the 12 will come every 1 in 36 rolls. But for you to lose it has to be on the come out roll. So technically you will lose 1 out of every 36 comeout rolls. Which is quite a long time on a table.
That is correct. You may go days without seeing the 12. It doesn't change the math, which is based on the mathematical THEORY of probability. Our goal as gamblers is to beat the odds or probabilities. If you can avoid the 12 then this could be a great way to approach the game.
Did you say that you can place odds behind the pass line bet on the come out roll? Is that true?
I did not say that. You cannot.
Oh ok.. Thanx
Brings to mind something abut a Japanese businessman.....
What about the Doey Decimal system? just kiddin. I enjoy your craps strategy videos.
Dear Mr color up. I like watching your videos and you inspired me to record some of my strategies. I am an old timer have been playing craps for almost 50 years. I would appreciate it if you have any time to take a look at my stuff and tell me what you think .. Uncle Angelo
Ok, I subscribed and added your videos to watch later. After 50 years of play you have probably seen it all :)
@@ColorUp thanks I've seen a lot but there is always more to learn
@@ColorUp it would be great if you could make a video using some of my ideas
Where are you finding $5 tables here in Colo?
Before pandemic, basically all of them were
great vid. btw your hat looks very big on camera... maybe if you're going to wear a hat with a brim turn it backwards so it doesn't block the felt as much...
i think because this hat was all black, it was kinda jarring, other hats i don't seem to notice
@@ColorUp I've got a harem of ladies who's sole purpose is to satisfy a balding yet still lustful me. But the hat thing is understood.
Haha
I am not a craps player, but dammm I love your content!
Well maybe you’ll give the game a chance sometime:)
@@ColorUp Color UP is the reason I started playing Craps after seeing the game and using his channel as research. Thank your for the content and tips
I’m a beginner but it seems you would be better just place betting as the odds work out better than the rubbish odds on your pass line bet and true odds combined plus you take the risk of the 12 out completely that way
You might be right, at times if the dice cooperate. You might want to check out my video on place bets vs come bets.
Color Up I’ll check that one out thanks
14 cents/$10 bet and it takes 4 employees to run a table? No wonder it's getting harder to find a table under $25 at a nice place.
$25 tables is not because they are lacking profits, greed is involved. Now if everyone just played the line bets, they might have an issue, but in the center of the table they are pulling down closer to $1.50 on most of those bets. most players don't stick to just the low house edge bets. Craps has some of best bets in casino, but they also have a lot of the worst bets in casino.
@@ColorUp fair enough
Where is the live roll!?
this was just an informational video, plenty of doey don't strategies with live rolls in the future
What about doey don't and lay full odds?
Sure, if you like
But does anyone even hang around long enough for 36 come out rolls in one session?
Maybe not, and its not about the 12 actually losing, its more about the house edge and the fact your exposing more money overall vs just picking one side or the other
Variance is a huge factor in this game. I have seen the 12 disappear for 82 rolls, and the six disappear for 42.
best edge is to pratice your throw =]
If you could control the dice you could overcome the casino edge.
Learning how to influence dice plus the great strategies presented on this channel can produce an edge in the players favor.
check out Bone Thrower. He is the best one to learn from.
rmi227 agree. BT is the modern master. However that mudslide Mac dude knows a thing or two as well. Check it out. Couldn’t hurt
I scolded you on your martingale press video and the disastrous results that could happen. I don’t usually teach or comment on strategy but the double D is the best way to drop the odds to it lowest while leaving your options open.With a little situational awareness and a good partner you can at least play like big rollers, get good comps.Hedge the 12 on the come out roll and have a partner that has good instincts, and only adjust odds from your bets when you both come to a mutual agreement which way the shooter is trending. Watch the “Shooter” Anything he does unusual to make you or him uncomfortable,watch out for big red. I he is upset with a stick change,new money coming in, to slow of action in the middle slowing the pace down. I once was betting on a shooter who had rolled ten points and the action was very heavy. People started betting inside and he turned to the person beside him and said, I don’t like all that hard way action it’s slowing down the roll.I was Heavily Invested and called all my bets off. Sure enough,the next roll was big red.
Sounds like you are a very superstitious player. I’m glad it served you will in the example you provided.
You push on the 12 in the don’t pass you only lose if they roll a 7 on the first roll in the don’t pass
Correct 7 and 11 are losers, 2 and 3 winners and 12 is a push
Jeremy I an a little confuses , why is it a 10 dollar lost on the probability of the 12 coming every 36 rolls , shouldn't it be just 5 ,when the 12 is a push, if you are playing the pass and don't . Ohio Mikel. p s keep the cool vids coming
Ok Color up never mind I see you had ten on the pass lol
I keep meaning to read up on bubble craps machine but can’t find articles you put in comments, can you email it to me at colorupcraps@gmail.com
Yes i got you soon on that bubble crsps b s lol look 4me
$5 Doey Don't with a $3 C-E split on the come out roll only.
Why not just bet the 12?
@@ColorUp Isn't that already covered in the "any craps" part of the C-E?
Right, with the doey dont, the 2,3, 11 can’t hurt you so that’s why I’m asking why you’d bet those? Only number bad for doey dont is 12, and you can cover that with just $1 12. if you just like to bet all the horn numbers, the $3 c/e is fine.
@@ColorUp To hedge the bet and get a little profit.
The R.N.G will hit the 12 in land base casinos if I was to bet on it.
Sounds like my luck
Why are you taking the Don't Pass bet away when a 12 is rolled... That should be a push and the don't bet stays while the pass loses. I admit, I haven't gambled in a while, but that change is a major one if that's the case.
As for the house edge, when you put down offsetting bets, the only time it is relevant is when the barred number is rolled, in which case you lose one betting unit as opposed to no losses. Because both pay out even money, and when one wins, the other loses, so the money offsets itself excepting when the barred number is rolled and you have to reset the pass/come bet.
We are playing in this method to allow us to play with true odds from the odds bets. The offsetting bets makes that more economical.
Some casinos do not allow these bets because it is busywork for the craps dealers but they know a doey-don't bettor when they see one and knowing what kind of bets the player will be making is helpful to know what to expect.
6:52 what kind of line is that?
? What line? Will lose more in long run? This is true because you have more money facing the house edge.
@@ColorUp You covered up the "P" in Pass Line with your chip. Making it look like ASS Line
The Dewey don't is best for the don't pass better .
At a $5 table on the downside you would lose every time of 7-Eleven shows on the come out the seven shows six times the eleven two times that's 8 * * $5 bet is a negative $40 on a 36 come out Rose what to do if you don't you're only a negative $5 on 36 come
Thanks for your comments
I need clarity please. You said at the 5:36 mark “Remember the house edge is about the same, But one in 36 rolls, I’m going to lose the $25 bet, which is about a lose of 70 cents per decision.” .... That math is Not correct. You then put up a graphic showing $50 X 1.4 = 0.70. And then another graphic of $5 x 1.4 = $0.07 .... 25 x 1.4 = 35. Not 70 There is No way your going to lose the total wager. You said, you can’t combine them. They are independent. You can’t have it both ways. .... I’m not in disagreement about the 1/36 losing $25. However 25 is not 50, & 1.4 x 25 = 35.
They are independent bets but the 1.4 house edge on the bar 12 is based off the total money at risk. Watch at 2:05 again. in 36 rolls you wager $720, because you are making bets on both lines. When you figure lose with house edge (1.4%) you have to multiply it by both amounts, not just one line. you are not betting one line or $360 your are betting both lines.
So just put $30 on Don't Pass $5 on pass and $25 ofds still against you
hello , i'm french , i like craps ,
thanks for checking out my channel
Do you have craps in France? We don't have it in Germany.
@@derSchmetterling08 hi , no , not craps in france
martingale the 12 then?
You bet one chip more on the pass. Well say $50 on pass. 25 on don’t pass. If 7, you make some money. If point, 5,6,8 I max odds on pass. Any other I max odds on don’t pass. This the strategy I use at a $25 table in detroit. Works pretty well. Up a few grand right now.