I think Gale writing the book is a regression as a result of the trauma of losing Dewey. It's like her default mode, her safety space. I like that she's complex like that. Progress and regression which is very human. But the hole that she didn't find anything on Ritchie's fam is definitely worth the mention.
No it’s not a regression it’s exactly who Gale is and there is nothing wrong with writing the book and what she said about Sam and Tara was accurate. They are literally mad at Gale for doing her job
@@pleaseshutup7053 Well that's also kinda inaccurate. Gale sensationalized what happened in Scream 5. She wasn't completely honest about that and Sam and Tara had every right to be upset with her.
@@bradydavis5791 calling Sam unstable how is that incorrect or sensationalized in this movie she literally told her therapist I enjoyed killing richie. The truth is they blamed gale for the rumor about Sam being the killer that’s what they were mad it
Fun fact : Half the core 4 are related to Randy Meeks and the other half are related to Billy Loomis (Tara by association) and whats funny is that Billy and Randy were the most distant from eachother in the original group and they hated eachother.
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE There was a lot of tension between Randy and Billy at the video store scene. The only reason Randy and Billy hang around eachother is because they had mutual friends. If it weren't for Sid and Stu they wouldn't be hanging out.
I love the thing with Gale calling the killer. Gale: Can you hold on a minute? Ghostface: Wha? "Click" Gale: "hangs up the phone and star 69's his ass"
I love the way they addressed Sidney's(Neve Campbell) absence. She'll forever be my favorite final girl. At least they didn't give her an off-screen death like they did for Laurie in Halloween 4. She truly deserves her happy ending!
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE biased, I and even other people who didn't really like the movie still said they liked this scene. She will most likely come back in scream 7 though.
Agreed , I loved that too , to me Sydney reached her peak as a character and I agree she deserves her happy ending , in a way so does Gale , I hope Gale also is left out of the next movie and we just focus on the new characters
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE What's wrong with her husband? What makes him a deadbeat, exactly? I liked him, She can't spend the rest of her life coming to knock off these killers. She has to be concerned about her kids.
The thing that actually made me question Kirby as a potential killer was that she said "The movies dont matter" at the police station, which mirrors the killer's "Who give a fuck about the movies?" at the beginning.
I’ve seen it twice now and I enjoy it more than 5. 2 biggest problems I had was Chad surviving getting stabbed 25 times and The killers at the end refusing to shoot Sam and Tara. The cop basically just stood there while his kids got killed and running at Sam while he has a loaded gun. Like just kill them already was on my mind! Lol. On a good note Melissa Barrera acting was far better in this movie than 5.
I get the chad thing bc they’re trying to make him the new Dewey-esque character. The survival of more than a few of the characters has always been like “yeah sure totally realistic “. The kills though have always been knife driven. It seems stupid realistically but again it fits with the theme of the franchise. Also these were personal attacks- which is why a knife is used. They’re too emotional to think rationally.
"The cop basically just stood there while his kids got killed and running at Sam while he has a loaded gun" I don't know why people don't talk about this. It's the worst scene in the movie and honestly seems like something the Wayans Brothers would make fun of on the spoof movies.
Looking back, Chad surviving after getting stabbed multiple times isn’t surprising just from the fact that they’ve never killed off surviving characters from previous movies near the end of the film. Randy, Judy and Dewey got killed halfway through the films and Cotton was killed in the opening of Scream 3.
I was sure he was dead since he was already meant to have died in 5 but was saved as a last minute revision so it seemed like he'd had his extension and now it was time to pay the piper
So why didn’t they subvert expectations then? If they would have toned down the stabbing, then it would have made more sense. But this scream movie was very reckless with characters surviving despite the amount of stabbing being done. A stab used to be able to kill, now it just like a small cut.
Right. And we thought Dewey was dead in Scream 2, so it kinda mirrors that. I myself, did not expect Dewey to survive in Scream 2. Just like I didn’t expect Chad to survive that. Even though I’m glad he did.
You made so many good points. Made me think about the missed opportunity for a scene with the horror film class where there's a substitute/new prof. and two empty seats. Tara could've been in the class and had a sort of callback to Sidney looking at Casey's empty spot in the first movie. Then continued to have a discussion with Mindy and the rest of the class about what happened and tropes like in Scream 2.
For sure. That would be sorta clever mirroring. Like the two killers are dead in class, etc. I mean if you’re referring to having a scene like that after the Jason and Greg opening, and in the original context of how the movie goes.
College doesn’t work like high school. There’s no such thing as a “substitute” professor, class would just be canceled. Which is probably what happened lol
@@alargento6498 yea a hypothetical that wouldn’t make any sense lol how many film professors you think are on call to come fill in for the professor that was just murdered the night before🤦🏽♂️
Thank you for mentioning that Gale did end up writing the book but didn't know about Bailey! This bothered me so much because if she didn't write the book that would be the excuse for why they were in a vulnerable situation and could've gotten Gale to start writing books again after this movie, but they needed a reason to have tension between Sam & Tara and Gale....
How come Sam didn’t know about the family? I assume she started dating Richie before knowing his family? But would have to watch Scream 5 again to check
@@eldante4139 Sam was only dating him for about 6 months, could have been less have to check that again. But Gale and the cops not knowing is baffling.
If Richie’s family moved and deleted all social media quick enough it’s not unbelievable she would never see their faces. It wouldn’t even be suspicious behaviour - plenty of families do the same after a member turn out to be a mass 5400ter or 5erial killer. And remember they’re all using fake names in NY too.
I actually didn’t mind the direction they went with Gale’s arc, because it felt like Dewey was always the one who could get through to her and keep her in check, she had a soft spot for him, with him gone, she reverts back to her old ways, i see it as her kinda tragic way of grieving
Dewey was a major factor in helping Gale see the bigger picture, but after seeing what happened to Randy (which could've been her), Gale was already changing. Seeing Dewey getting attacked drove that point home even further. And, while Gale arrived in Hollywood looking for a scoop in Scream 3, she treated everything with much more sensitivity than the previous two movies, even with Jennifer annoying her the whole time. Having her revert didn't ruin her character, but it was disappointing after hearing her reveal so much regret toward the end of Scream 5.
@@Joe_Parmesan yeah I totally get out how so many ppl feel that way, I just personally found it to be a really tragic step in her arc that I thought was interesting, with Gale being my favorite character in the franchise
I also don’t really agree that Roger was underused. His phone call with Gale has to be the longest in the series next to Casey’s in the original, and he gets some of his most emotionally vicious material ever there. Yeah he doesn’t talk much in the scene with Samara Weaving, but he makes up for that with the call to Jason. Then he has the call with Sam and Tara before the bodega scene, the call in the van before Gale’s attack, AND he gets to voice Sam in costume at the end. Scream 5 for sure gave Roger more room to work with, but Roger by far in both 5 and 6 is at his absolute most used and best in the series imo. That’s the one thing Radio Silence has absolutely excelled in.
He’s used later on for sure, but the opening scene is what I’m referring to. From what I understand, they originally had him on the phone from the onset of call, but changed their mind.
I think his second longest scene was with Tara in the opening of the last one but I agree with everything. Loved the phone call with gale and how he was used in this one
That scene you described with Samara Weaving being killed and hung at Grand Central Station is genius and would have made for a hell of an epic opening! 😮
i particularly liked Scream VI a lot, but what i’ve noticed with Radio Silence’s entries is that the 3rd act has fallen flat both times. even though Scream 4 isn’t generally well-liked, the 3rd act on first viewing left you speechless & on the edge of your seat bc it seemed like GF was really gonna win this time. i feel like something new needs to be done with the 3rd act bc loyal scream fans already assume that the protagonists are gonna prevail anyways
I sadly have to agree, they can't get the 3rd act right ever, as much as people hate s3 even it's 3rd act was better than what radio silence is putting out. I think because it's not a lot at stake, and the showdowns are kinda basic. The gf killers are purposely/visibly making bad decisions just to set up for Sam to win. Like both Richie & his dad had guns & had every opportunity to shoot Sam but they just charge her with a gun? 🤨🤦🏾♀️ Or Quinn charging someone with a gun... Whereas in previous movies it wasn't as easy for sid in some cases. They need to have a writing session with Kevin Williamson or something...
I think what they could do for Scream 7 IS have GF get away. At least one of them. It would be the perfect even split-have Sam and a few other protags survive, but live in fear of the fact that one of the killers is still out there. AND have Scream 8 be Sam works with the old GF to get the new one. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
Personally I really thought the tension in the movie was the best part whenever ghost face was on screen in the earlier scenes he was terrifying and even in the subway scene it’s suspenseful throughout the whole scene until then end great use of the characters to show real fear and paranoia
@@pleaseshutup7053 Yeah and I got to give serious praise to how they used this character in the first half of the movie ghost face felt like a serious threat someone with either standard combat training or someone who was a serious serial killer for a long time who wasn’t some teenager who just grabbed a knife and started murdering and the opening scene where he kills the college ghost faces really puts into perspective the difference in caliber between these two killers
I have not seen a scary or tension-filled Scream movie since the first two movies. S3 and S4 had zero suspense imo. S5 and S6 gave all the suspenseful scenes away in their trailers, so they weren't as impactful.
@@Hellstothenaw I feel you on the trailers that’s why I don’t watch the recent trailer because there were so many spoilers in the fifth trailer Next scream try your hardest to not watch the trailer it makes the movie so much better when you watch it It’s so hard but definitely worth it in the end was tempted a couple times though
@@Hellstothenaw that’s your fault for watching the trailer. I knew not to watch the trailer and I’m glad I did not because it gave away all the best scenes
My first watch I LOVED the film until act 3. I found the reveal anticlimactic and a little disappointing. But my second watch, the reveal got way better. Though they were very 1-dimensional characters initially. post-reveal ethan and quinn’s performances were pretty solid. Overall, the film is a strong entry, middle of the pack for sure. I just wish there had been more deaths.
There were more deaths than you'd think, which shouldn't be too suprising given there were 5 Ghostfaces in total who all die (even though one doesn't get to kill anyone). There were about as many kills in the OG trilogy. But I do agree there were too many fake deaths.
Mrs.Loomis was overcome with guilt for abandoning her son & him turning into a killer. So she put blame on herself but couldn't come to terms with it, which drove her psychotic to avenge her sons death, as a way to cope..Its pretty deep psychologically really..but 6 was more straight up revenge.
I very much enjoyed this movie but there are soooo many plot holes. Makes no sense that Kirby wouldn’t know who Richie’s family are, given that she’s in the FBI and “investigating Ghostface attacks”. Same for Gale who wrote a book based on the events of Scream 5. Also, how did Quinn find Sam and Tara’s anonymous roommate ad? And how did Ethan “juke” (I think that’s the word they use) the roommate lottery to get Chad as a roommate? And, how did Bailey manage to afford that massive building for the shrine in the middle of NYC?? A building like that would cost millions. Again, fun movie and lots of good things about it, but these plot holes are so frustrating.
People dismissing this valid criticism as nitpicking or hating are so weird to me. Like, way to tell everyone you have no sense of media analysis or literacy. You can like something and still recognize it's flaws, it not a reflection of your taste or personhood. Idk why people think enjoyment and critique are mutually exclusive
Spoilers: i think the writers were inspired by the scrapped Kevin Williamson Scream 3 script as well as the initial plot for Scream 4’s sequel if they had gone with the original ending. The reveal of the “shrine” was giving major ‘Cult of Ghostface Killers’ vibe the way it was initially planned for 3, with the curtain and everything. And the idea that the protagonist goes to university and is stalked for being the supposed killer in the previous movie was a storyline initially intended for Jill if she had gotten away with it
@@brite1217 I think that's part of the fun. Scream 7 could lift from Scream 3 but instead of a long lost family member being the killer, have the MOTHER of Sam and Tara be the killer. Think about it in her mind, she's snapped from the new killings, and thinks the only way to stop them is to get rid of the problem which in her mind would be Sam.
@@TheRibottoStudios oh I’m pretty sure that’s where they’re going. That’s not fun to me. It’s boring. I want them to do something more with these new movies.
@Mathias.Eggimann Especially since her character was already too lame to care about which I think was their attention but she was too lame. Also I think she acknowledges GF in her room while talking on the phone.
You make so many valid points with the lazy writing - Gale is extremely intelligent and SURELY would've investigated Richie's family. I definitely noticed a few plot holes but I had such a good time watching the movie, I didn't even care in the end!
@@JoshaLuke But she did do some good research for the book in Scream 2 though. She saw pictures of Nancy Loomis but due to plastic surgery & weight loss didn't recognize her as Debbie Salt.
Add to that Kirby "I have a special interest in Ghostface attacks" - So incompetent she never bothered or unable to find Ritchie's family after what he did. Scream 7 if Kirby is back should= Ex- FBI Agent.
Jill was originally supposed to get away with the spree in scream 4 while Sidney was supposed to have amnesia and not remember anything. Wes craven wanted scream 5 to be about a new ghost face who knew about jills plan. In other words Predator becomes prey.
Wait, was this the actual plan? I’ve never heard this, but that’s LITERALLY what I wanted to happen when I saw the flick. I was even wishing they’d have just retconned the end of 4 to allow it lmao.
@@JGrantUK Yeah that's what was supposed to happened, kind of wish it did but then we probably wouldn't have these movies and Kirby probably wouldn't be alive. But yeah same I remember years and years ago thinking and writing up my own lil fan story of how would do a scream 4 sequel where Jill got her fame and Sidney survived but had amnesia and Jill was trying to finish the job in the most covert way while another Ghostface lurked in the shadows that knew her secret before I knew that was sort of the plan.
Couldn't agree more on the point where you said Richie wasnt that memorable to have this tribute. To be honest I even thought to myself "did Stu have a sister?" cause I thought the writers were gonna go there over having the killers be Richie's family. I did miss an honorable mention to Tony Revolori's monologue when he thinks he's talking to his roommate about how it felt to having finally killed someone! It gave me the chills and the lines were so well delivered -and the sense of completion when he himself is killed by the real ghostface.
I love the scene u painted of gale finding out who the killer was in the shrine and getting discovered and having her chase scene been there until she gets incapacitated until the third act where we can finally see the shrine. Maybe after the killer monologue have her hanging from something in front of the projector like Derek in scream 2 since they were going that route with the movie. Great breakdown 👍
Hey Zack your ideas about Gale being trapped by the killer in the shrine etc are super interesting. It would be cool if you made a video about how you would have made S6 with your entire plot and the killer changed
@@jared1964 I just latched on so hard to it as soon as it was said. Plus her dad being a cop and the shrine having all of the stolen evidence. I did not get Ethan though. That one wasn't expected.
this might be my favourite, and it's gotten me back into the whole franchise. I've watched the all since. I think it did the job in getting the audience to care about the new cast. a couple more deaths would have been logical but it would limit the options for 7. I dunno. I'm just grateful we'll get more of these.
I had a good time watching it. However, they went way too hard on the meta conversations, we're six movies in and we don't need to keep talking about requels and sequels. And the ending was boring and way overdone. However, I think this movie had some of the most brutal deaths in the franchise, and some really strong scenes. Also, as much as we all love Gale, she felt like she was going through exactly the same character arch she's gone through in every single movie. Can we have her actually learn from her mistakes please?
Spoiler: I felt like Gale's chase scene was a bit too choreographed for my liking. It was like ok, run over here do this, turn around, do this, okay run here, now break this. The chase didn't seem organic up until the moment she got stabbed.
Weres the storytelling going forward tho? Nothing new has developed since the end of Scream 3. These movies just keep dragging it on and on i mean look at the killers motives here.. they're getting revenge for a family member whonwas a previous killer... huh we already had that motive with Scream 2. The constant dialog and scene steals from the original trilogy is just so frustrating. They really need to end the franchise like 3 films ago. Least with the original trilogy everything fit together nicely in the story.. it all connected from start to the end.
Completely agree, as soon as quinn mentioned a brother i called it being her and the detective, i didn't predict Ethan but I don't think he was necessary or made sense
Ethan made perfect sense when stuff happened he was always gone and on the train I knew he as a killer because as a geeky guy he would be freaked out by ghostface everywhere but he didn’t care
For Gale writing the book, Gale would definitely find Richie’s families real names because that’s public record, but not necessarily anything else. If Richie’s family moved and deleted all social media quick enough it’s not unbelievable she would never see their faces. It wouldn’t even be suspicious behaviour - plenty of families do the same after a member turn out to be a mass 5400ter or 5erial killer. And obviously they’re all using fake names in NY too.
This still doesn’t hold up as the “way back machine” exists. If u don’t know it’s a website that pretty much compiles all archived versions of websites. This is how people find old deleted tweets from celebrities. If you’ve been on Twitter lately u see that this is being used against Greta thunberg. With people captioning “why did u delete this Greta?” Along with the years old deleted tweet. plus richies dad would’ve had to have been a cop for a long time to make detective, meaning he’s been on some police force for some time. There would be plenty of public record for him and it would’ve been part of almost every report that richies dad was a cop due to how shocking that would be. So it is actually a huge flaw that neither gale or Kirby recognized the family in this day and age. In the 90s an extreme make over is much more believable as gale admits she’s only seen Nancy in pictures. Sidney however who knew the woman in person instantly recognized Nancy for who she was. Pictures were way low res back then so somehow an extreme makeover explanation ends up being leagues more believable than the excuses in scream 6 somehow
@@zackyvwasin339 I live in nyc and I used to be an EMT, so I got to know plenty of first responders. They were afraid to even get therapy for fear of not being allowed in fdny or the nypd because the background check might pick that up. Changing ur name is not as simple as it seems u would need a whole new SS number. It would be very strange if ur existence literally started a year ago and the police department would let u be a detective with that kind of background. I now work in mental health and I can’t get not one job without a background check and every emt job I’ve ever had required one as well and we don’t get to carry a gun lol
@@lostlifevids The way back machine only works if people actively use it to take a capture of that time period. People do that for celebrities because people constantly follow them. People don’t constantly follow random nobodies and they would be among the first to know about what happened, so they could delete their presence before it went public. And Bailey being a cop for a long time has no relevance if he moved and changed his name.
@@zackyvwasin339 It’s not really strange, cops want to help each other. All he would have to do is tell people that daughter is moving to NY and he’s overprotective because his only other child died in a tragic accident. Plus his dozens of recommendations from his previous department. Also, if you EVER underestimate the incompetence of any police department, you’ve never worked for the police.
So did Richie’s family initially help and encourage him to be a killer for his whole movie plot to carry out? Or did they find out after his death that he was crazy and decide to be crazy avengers too? It just seems so far fetched that all 4 of them would decide to be killers.
I agree and also am somewhat confused why Richie collected stuff from the real events as I thought one of the big points in Scream 5 was he only cared about the Stab movies
really? you find a family of killers hard to believe but someone getting targeted by 9 different killers across several years makes complete sense to u lol and is realistic? lol
I think all the Kirsch children were kinda pyscotic crazy obssesed with the Stab Franchise (as Quinn said her favorite killer was Stu Macher while Ethan probably was Nancy Loomis since he was using her mask) and this was endulged into all of them by Wayne collecting all the evidence of the crime scenes over the years. Althought he said it was for him and Richie bonding, I think is something he did along side all of his children as the three of them clearly seem to know well the shrine seen as how Ethan and Quinn moved really fast all over the place (I even would bet that Quinn and Ethan were part of Richie's movie proyects as Wayne clearly wasn't interested in movies). While I think all were furious over Richie's death, I suspect that Wayne just snapped and didn't think this through while Quinn and Ethan just had a perfect motive to follow after their older brother's steps to fulfill their fantasies of being Ghostfaces, because althought they didn't were effective as their father kills their attacks seemed more brutal and energetic.
@@mephamjohnson4422 don’t you get it ? Richie was obsessed with the whole franchise. Bailey said as a kid Richie loved the stab movies at that point Richie was his only child so he gifted Richie with everything stab related. As a cop he could get the evidence( As he explained) richie made home films of ghostface on TH-cam in his younger days, then the stab movies start to flop and he snaps and decides to start a new killing spree so Hollywood would make a new stab movie but based on those real events like the original. Obviously Richie’s always been crazy-fan obsessed but it was that what made him a killer as for his family im sure they weren’t just going around killing people before Scream 6 cause they would’ve mentioned it etc. they only became killers when Sam & Tara killed Richie. So to avenge him they became ghostface as he did and who he always loved since childhood. Stab fanatic
It might make more sense if the dad always was a killer, seeing how efficient Richie's kills were, then the other kids being into it would be a nature/nurture conversation more than an anomoly. I loved the two killers wiping the knife at once bit. I'm hoping the things that they opened up with Gale and Kirby are dealt with in the next one, and admittedly the "if you believe he's dead" line about Stu made me insanely happy. I just don't see how the name "ghostface" could exist if he didn't at least live long enough to mutter it to an EMT or something. Tatum only said it to her killer, and we are lead to believe they both die that night before repeating it. It's my biggest plot hole greivance.
Definitely agree with you that the Radio Silence team struggles with red herrings and the murder mystery aspect in general. There is a very narrow list of suspects with no misleading clues whatsoever which just makes it process of elimination at that point. The first fared a bit better but it’s way too obvious Quinn’s death was staged and I knew then it was her and the detective, Ethan was a little surprise though I suppose. Pretty disappointing as that’s probably my favorite aspect of the movies and maybe the most integral as well but I also think these two movies are solid despite that glaring flaw. Excited for 7 and hope they can craft a true mystery because all the pieces are there for a potential best sequel.
Story? What story? The story ended at the end of Scream 3. How can you enjoy these cash grabs just mimicking previous legacy characters, constantly ripping off scenes and dialog from the original trilogy? Heck look at the killers motive here... its just stolen from Mrs Loomis motive from the classic Scream 2. The franchise seriously needs ending
Really? Fans these days are to easily entertained and like turning off there brains. Scream 5 and Scream 6 are both bad. Well Scream 5 is bland and Scream 6 is a hot mess. The directors are solid but this team needs new writers ASAP
@@kiaadams104 They literally just rip off scenes, dialogue and legacy characters from the original trilogy so much. I couldn't even watch the ending after being told the killers motives... was just a rip off of Mrs Loomis motive from the classic scream 2. Just stick to the original trilogy and you have a great story that fits together and ends together nicely.
I have to agree with you about criticizing Sam for calling out to Ghostface before shooting him. The store owner also did that too, if he hadn't one of the three killers would've been killed
Amazing breakdown! One question/plot hole I had was why Kirby, now an FBI agent, would come running to NYC for Ghostface killings this year, but the year prior made no appearance when they happened in her hometown. Two wishes in future installments is for a killer to be killed long before the final scene and for a killer to survive a final scene (either arrested or escape). Love your channel!
She may have already been on her way to New York since she was investigating Jason & the other guy. Maybe in part 5 the case wasn’t kicked up to the FBI until Wes & his mom were killed
@@peterdanior4538 but didnt the events of part 5 inspire jason & Greg to become killers to "finish richie's movie" as jason said when he is getting killed. They wouldn't have started until after the events of 5
I think the way to handle Gale would be her still writing the book but not with the initial benefit of her getting to report on the story first but to try and help clear Sams name once all the bad press and rumors had begun. By giving Sams point of view in order to help Sam tell her story. That way it would be the first time Gale actually WORKS with the person shes writing her books about and it gives a reason more in line with where Gale was at the end of Scream 5. (You could even have Gale getting backlash/disgraced by the mass media dismissing her book with Sam and calling Gale a liar as well, could even work the iconic punch scene in here with Gale coming to the police station to get the girls and have someone from the media yell obnsenties to Sam or Gale and she punch them.) Granted this would remove the conflict that Sam/Tera have with her but it would be more realistic as to why Gale would want to stick her neck out and help these girls if she had that positive relationship with them. I think doing it this way really sends home the message they had towards the middle when Sam and Gale talk alone "When you lose the one person you love most in the world, you find another to look over."
This makes so much sense. I feel like there didnt need to be conflict with her tho. I mean I get that Gale is suppose to be the antagonist to some degree but… she ends up “assisting” the main characters anyway. Why does there need to be tension with her when there’s been so much character development and growth?
While I don't share all of your personal gripes with the movie, I respect and appreciate all of your insight! My wishlist for Scream 7 would be them hiring you to collaborate on the screeplay because I think if you combined the suspense and horror of Scream 6 with your depth of knowledge on this franchise and insight for a good whodunnit mystery, it would be stellar 😄
@@ZackCherry hell, I'd even pay you to write your own version of scream just to add to my scream shrine (I only have a few items, nothing like this movie). I'm serious! Hahaha
Zach Cherry would write a flawless and surprising who dun it for SURE!!! He has really incredible ideas for the Scream movies as do a lot of true fans that I’ve read
Always love your vids! Yeah the fact that especially Chad survives able to make out with Tara, and even Tara legitimately falling onto a knife, who at the end is not even admitted to a hospital and walks away in only a sling, is SO lazy by the writers and has such a great movie come to an very unbelievable ending...
Radio silence is clearly lacking in terms of writing a great 3rd act. In general, the script for both radio silence movies have Been weak, and I hope they get somebody new to write the script for 7
I feel gale reverting back to her old ways and bad habits after losing Dewey is pretty spot on and makes sense to me Dewey was always her moral compass and without him and the hurt of losing him this is the result
20:27 YUP, me too Zack! I just spent the entire rest of the movie waiting for them to provide an alternate theory, only for those obvious clues to never be challenged. 39:38 Except for here, which I also knew was a fakeout to throw off suspicion with how awkwardly it was shot. It didn't help that I specifically went into this movie wondering if the killer would fake their own death, since we hadn't gotten that in a while.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fun fact that, during the therapists kill scene, some character on the TV program he's watching is screaming "You're next! You're next! You're next!"
I feel like we won’t be getting a sequel that’ll live up to the OG trilogy until Radio Silence isn’t involved. I mean I like Scream 6 but after 7 I think we need a fresh start. New writers (If Kevin Williamson isn’t available), new directors, new cast, new story.. It’s getting too convoluted atp.. Make an actual scary sequel/reboot where the comedic moments come organically like the first 2 movies and aren’t forced in like a CW show. Bring back the cold cruelness of the original movie. What made the first 2 films so suspenseful and scary is that it didn’t feel like you were watching a movie. The characters felt like real people in real situations. The franchise is basically an adult version of Scooby Doo now lol.
I honestly don't think it was ever going to live up to the originals (1 and 2 for me, not really 3) we all have this romantic idea in our heads of the iconic original and we see the faults on everything else that comes after
I think a cool kind of thing could’ve been if they made this the Theater from Scream 2 opening and that’s why it’s so important to the killers. Because it’s linked to the Ghost face killers. Also that it closed after the murders that took place and that’s why it’s so decayed
I have been DYING for your review to come out. I agree with most of your points. Ultimately, I really enjoyed the movie until the very end because the killer motive and reveal was just a big let down, however even with that, I still liked the ride to get there. I liked this one a hair more than 5 for that reason I think.
Would like to add Laura is a film professor, and she stated in the opening scene. that she didn't like stab, so it would make sense for Jason to use his voice for the first half
@ZackCherry I wouldn't expect her to know every student she teaches, especially since she just moved into the city 6 months ago. Hopefully, I don't sound rude. But I do agree this movie has its problems. I enjoyed the video keep up the good work, man.
@@ZackCherry in all fairness, I don’t remember half the kids who were in my college courses, and I was a student. I doubt a teacher would recognize every student by looks let alone a voice, ya feel?
The funny thing about my first time watching the movie, up until the reveal I was convinced I'd guessed everything right. Not who the killers were, but I was so sure I guessed their motive and connection to previous characters. My guess was that there would be at least 3 or 4 killers, and they would be like an alliance of people who were connected to several past killers. Excluding the killers with pre-established families (Billy, Stu, Mrs Loomis, Roman and Jill) we knew absolutely nothing about the people closest to Mickey, Charlie, Richie and Amber. So because of the shrine shown in Scream 6 and the heavy focus they put on all the past killers, I thought it made total sense for the killers to be a group of unrelated people that teamed up to get revenge on the people they blame. Then all the survivors would be a target, not just Sam and Tara. It makes sense that Gale would be targeted for playing a part in Mickey's death, and the person related to Charlie blames Kirby for rejecting him constantly, which drove him into being Jill's puppet who she could manipulate into killing for her. Then they can have 2 revenge killers for Richie and Amber targeting Sam and Tara, which is straightforward enough. I would've loved this reveal a lot more than having all the killers being in the same family, because then you have the plot holes with the secret identities, fake names, everything that we got in the film, which just made their plan more convoluted and messy
Thank you!!! I had the same opinions. I saw the killers from a mile away and was so mad that they blatantly ripped off the second one. They aren't Kevin Williamson in terms of writing and I miss him doing it for the franchise.
The guy Sams hooking up with was a red herring I thought. Wow I didn’t expect to comment so much but I loved the convenience store scene. Ghost face just straight up blowing dudes face off was epic
For Gale's apparent lack of research, at least in 2, she does say she's seen pictures of Nancy Loomis, but is told that she's had work done (and presumably the pictures were several years before). As for Bailey, it literally just happened one year earlier! There's no way she doesn't recognize him. And how is Bailey the dad of Quinn, Ethan and Richie yet they have different last names? I get it's possible to change your name, but the trio did extensive background checks on their possible roommates. There's no way a single detective could cover all of that. Also dont get why Mindy wasn't the girls' roommate.
One thing I think 6 got right where 5 really fell short for me was making Sam feel like our lead heroine. Melissa Barrera got more moments to shine and demonstrate her range. I didn’t love Sam’s portrayal in 5, and I loved how 6 mocked how some fans thought her brutality killing Richie and doing the Ghostface knife wipe could lead to her being one of the killers. I was one of those people that thought it could be possible, so for me that was a nice starting place for Sam in the movie.
I'd like to see a "Scream" movie, where there are a number of killers that aren't working together, and they are both competing with eachother, and trying to avoid getting killed by eachother. They'd all be bad guys, but you might be able to sympathize with one of them. But, then, you also have the innocent victims and veteran characters.
Agreed 100%- I knew who the killers were when she mentioned her “dead brother” immediately. It was so obviously Richie. Especially when Quinn had a death scene where you don’t actually see her getting killed, shes obviously still alive. They did the same thing with Roman in scream 3 when he appears in the coffin - not actually dead. I also got frustrated that characters who were stabbed 1000 times somehow were still alive at the end…how is that possible? Lol
the more obvious fact is that detective bailey and ethan were never attacked lol esp ethan he was present for two attacks n nothing happened to him either time lol
And to your point once it’s so obvious it’s Quinn and that her death is fake, it’s just a domino effect onto Bailey, who comes out crying the next scene, and confirms she’s ‘dead’. So it’s like this horrible chain reaction of absolute and utter stupidity that is essentially unforgivably bad writing
I think the killer reveals got better when I went to see it a second time, because knowing who the killers were, I noticed little details like during the scene when Mindy explains the rules of a franchise, Quinn and Ethan both try to put suspicion on the Core 4 which I thought was a nice detail.
While this movie might be my favorite sequel, everything you've stated was so cathartic to hear cuz there are opinions I have not been able to put into words and you nailed it, I agree so much! Tickled the confirmation bias part of my brain so good
My two biggest gripes. #1 shouting before trying to shoot killer 🤦 #2 characters being stabbed more than past characters but always being ok because they are main characters
That was literally the worst part of the entire scream franchise. Leaving a ruthless ghost-face killer with his gun to try take him on with a knife? Absolutely awful writing and makes no sense.
I felt this movie hada lot of good scenes but the story lacked a lot and it didn't have that much to say on the current state of horror or the "franchise" tropes that Mindy mentions. I think maybe having a bigger gap between movies could have helped it a lot
@@Hellstothenaw Having them back to back quickly could work if they made the story around that like making it so the killers motives don't make too much sense on purpose in reference to horror franchises that churn sequels out year to year or something like that as if not it's basically just turning into a generic horror film instead of a meta horror like the others are
I agree on the opening scene, Gale usage and investigating the museum, and museum reveal at the end. I think that the college students should have been the killers for this entire film and have the film have more college scenes. Then, after they are revealed and killed at the end, there should have been a cliffhanger to the people orchestrating and helping the college killers, which would expose the Kirsch family in Scream 7.
Totally agree on almost everything! I think gale has to write the book, its her brand and she has purpose writing so i did kinda like that. I told myself quinn better not be the killer right when she was introduced it was so obvious they ruined that and lost that suttle touch on context clues with each character.
I LOVE your idea for what they should have done with the cold open kill. Having it being a homage from the iconic Dario Argento kill from Suspiria would have been gold. It would have opened with such an epic bang and how thrilling would that be for all us horror fans to experience Samara weavings characters kill mirroring the first kill in Suspiria. Chef's kiss right there. I feel thats something Wes Craven would be integrating into these sequels at this point. Horror is so vast with subgenres and iconic kills that there are so many great meta ideas to grasp from to make homages to classic horror and keeping the Scream franchise fresh in every sequel. It would be a genuinely frightening and shocking open. I definitely feel they should have utilized the New York setting more and same with the Halloween season. They could have done so much more with it being on that holiday.
Hmm. Agree with a lot of what you say. A few points: 1) The fact that Ritchie even HAS a family isn't mentioned anywhere in either Screams 5 or 6 until the very end of 6. Billy's mother was set up from early on in the original Scream. So just pulling a random father, brother and sister out of nowhere... and then having the father be a police officer, which makes zero sense... it doesn't work either in terms of plot consistency or good writing. 2) They've been hinting for two films now that Tara's going to turn out to be a killer. I predicted this for #6. I really hope they go with it for #7, even if it's a bit obvious. Also I would LOVE for them to do something like "duelling Ghostfaces". They've now set up this world where anybody can put on this outfit for any reason. Why not follow one ghostface who's puzzled by the existence of another, completely separate, ghostface? 3) Going on with S7 requests, I'd like a more clever motive that ties into the theme of the movie. (They could've done this on Scream 6 with the "gaslighting Sam as the killer" thing, but stepped away from that into "revenge" instead. Which again made zero sense. Ritchie never talks about his family, we don't see any of them, we don't get the sense that they're important ever. So why just have them randomly appear at the end of S6?)
@@Skorpio1121 At the very beginning of the of S6 the only person we see the first Ghostface interact with, apart from Samara Weaving, is Tara. She has the most obvious motive to want him dead (since he's planning her death). Note that in S5 Tara was the apparent first victim, and the only person we saw her (apparently) interact with was Amber - there was a big clue that Amber was the killer there (since whenever a character's threatened in a Scream movie, even Charlie in S4, we specifically see them in a position of vulnerability, whereas with Amber we never see this. We just see some prerecorded video footage on Tara's phone.) The scene in S6 mirrors this - now the only person we see the victim interacting with at all is Tara herself. Tara's whole arc in S6 is gaining her independence and the trust of Sam, but part of this is her approval at Sam's treatment of the killer at the end. At one point Sam even hands (I believe - could be wrong here) Billy's knife off to Tara. Symbolism! I'm sure there are moments of dialogue when the "core four" are together, but I can't recall a specific one right now. Anyway those moments definitely seem to point towards Tara if you happen to be looking at her as a potential suspect.
I HAVE NEVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO MORE FASTER...I WAS DYING WAITING FOR YOU TO DROP YOUR PLOT BREAKDOWN OF THIS MOVIE, I'LL BE COMMENTING MORE AFTER I'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO LOL 😅
I loved scream 6! I believe it's the first movie of the franchise that doesn't center it's plot around the og scream for ex: s2 was the copycat of s1, s3 was an expanded look of s1, s4 the remake of s1, s5 the requeal of s1, & even though it mirrors s2 in some aspects, I don't think it's a complete copy of it s6 is it's own movie. It's becoming one of my favorite sequels of the franchise.
I'm a Scream geek. Love this channel. You do it the best. Would love to see ur character analysis of this one. Meaning tier list. Have loved ur work on the previous ones. 👍
I will leave a more robust comment soon but I literally screamed out of sheer excitement for the 2 Ghostface, 1 scene moment... my prayers were answered. Fundamentally, this filmed leaned in too heavily on plot contrivances, armour and holes. However, lots of fun and really liked the 5 killers in one film with different motives.
I've watched Scream VI 3 times already and I love it. It has flaws sure, but every single Scream movie does (even the original if you nit pick enough). I feel like over the years people's love of the franchise has almost put it on this pedestal which prevents people from just sitting back and enjoying the ride like they would have 20 years ago. This isn't a dig at Zack as I know the whole point of his channel (which I love ❤) is to analyse the small details. I just think some fans are missing out on the full experience of the movie by being so quick to critique, instead of letting go and allowing the whacky, suspend-your-disbelief universe that Scream has always been to do it's thing for a couple hours. Also side note, I interpreted the online rumours as framing an online fanatic for the murders, not Sam? The way they explained it at the end sounded to me like "someone on reddit believed the rumours that Sam is guilty and became obsessed with revenge, killing Sam and everyone involved" (leaving Billy's mask with her as a message, as she's a serial killer just like her father). Maybe I'm way off haha, just wondering how other people saw it?
As soon as Quinn said her brother had died, I joined the dots. I never believed her death or her dads reaction to it was real. I was waiting for the twist. I thought it was too obvious, staged on purpose.. I was in the theatre on its first day, expecting to be surprised. It wound up being exactly what I thought it would be. Great film though. Obvious ending!
When Quinn interupted that kiss and forgot her phone in Taras room, she was so nervous, couldnt convince me she wasnt the killer even when she was dead the next scene lol
Biggest disappointment for me was the killers’ motive. It would have been way more interesting if the meta commentary for this film was that ghostface actually wanted the “real-life” franchise to end (harkening back to when he says “who gives a f**k about movies”). He is obsessed with the real life ghostface killers and wants to be the last one standing. He wants to kill all the survivors and everyone involved with anything related to the woodsburo murders, and that’s why he is attacking both the new and old characters. This would subvert expectations because he is doing the opposite of what Richie was doing - not finishing Richie’s movie but destroying it. At the end, it could be that he wanted to use Sam or Gale to get to Sidney as the last piece of the puzzle, but that plan is thwarted. THEN all of Mindy’s talk about a franchise actually goes somewhere. And Sam and Tara can realize at the end, as final girls, they are apart of an ongoing franchise and this is now part of their lives forever. And now Tara can grieve.
Great job!!! I agree with almost everything you said. Glad that you are able to critique a film while remaining a huge fan of it. Also, I wanted to add that Radio Silence said in their interview with Dead Meat that they actually cut down the stabs on Chad from its original number. I can only imagine how much worse this could've been if this version is the toned down version of his survival.
@@Hellstothenaw yeah but if you consider that it’s the cop who is wearing the ghostface costume, he would be trained in firearms. Also, it was a brutal execution by putting the barrel right in the clerks face before pulling the trigger.
Are you gonna do a “all horror movies referenced” on this? I feel like there was a lot in this movie. There were posters, the subway, and Mindy listed a few.
Dude couldn’t have critiqued it better myself. Your versions of things makes me dislike what I already did even more, and also what I actually thought I liked lol. You should be writing these
Why did Sam not just kill the detective while he was passed out? Why did she go put the costume on, wait for him to wake up, and call him? She risked her life just to be a bad ass? I mean, it was cool and all, but not realistic. I’m surprised Zach didn’t mention that.
I guess she wanted revenge for what he did, so it was important for him to be conscious. Maybe not the smartest thing but she does have murderous tendencies and this was an opportunity to indulge them.
I instantly fell in love with Ethan, so I knew he was one of the killers immediately lol I think they shouldn't have revealed him at the end. They could have had Quinn and Bailey reveal themsevles and Bailey could still monologue about the bond between dads and their first born son. Have Ethan and Mindy appear at the end of the movie, and have Ethan pick up the mask to hint he could be back later. It's one of my gripes with the franchise is that the killer(s) always die at the end, and this way it could have been more of a cliffhanger ending. Especially since this movie was extra gorey and brutal, yet barely any kills. There would be suspense since we know about Ethan while the Core 4 are clueless.
I think Gale writing the book is a regression as a result of the trauma of losing Dewey. It's like her default mode, her safety space. I like that she's complex like that. Progress and regression which is very human. But the hole that she didn't find anything on Ritchie's fam is definitely worth the mention.
That was my thoughts exactly. I however am kicking myself for not even thinking about how Gale wouldn't have discovered Richies family 🙊
No it’s not a regression it’s exactly who Gale is and there is nothing wrong with writing the book and what she said about Sam and Tara was accurate. They are literally mad at Gale for doing her job
If you think this then you definitely don't know Gale's character. Lol
@@pleaseshutup7053 Well that's also kinda inaccurate. Gale sensationalized what happened in Scream 5. She wasn't completely honest about that and Sam and Tara had every right to be upset with her.
@@bradydavis5791 calling Sam unstable how is that incorrect or sensationalized in this movie she literally told her therapist I enjoyed killing richie. The truth is they blamed gale for the rumor about Sam being the killer that’s what they were mad it
Fun fact : Half the core 4 are related to Randy Meeks and the other half are related to Billy Loomis (Tara by association) and whats funny is that Billy and Randy were the most distant from eachother in the original group and they hated eachother.
Who's Tara's Father!?!?!?
@@maloperverso8118 Tatum and Randy got along but Billy and Randy hated eachother.
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE There was a lot of tension between Randy and Billy at the video store scene. The only reason Randy and Billy hang around eachother is because they had mutual friends. If it weren't for Sid and Stu they wouldn't be hanging out.
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Tatum hated Billy too
I love the thing with Gale calling the killer.
Gale: Can you hold on a minute?
Ghostface: Wha? "Click"
Gale: "hangs up the phone and star 69's his ass"
I loved the killers surprise 😂
Ha! Yesssssssssss
Maureen Evans popped out the grave to cheer her on before falling back Into it as dramatically as she died
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@@Bataowata 😂😂😂 bruh she pissed me off dying in front the screen like that. Die in the aisle with all that 💀
I love the way they addressed Sidney's(Neve Campbell) absence. She'll forever be my favorite final girl. At least they didn't give her an off-screen death like they did for Laurie in Halloween 4. She truly deserves her happy ending!
She's the ULTIMATE final girl.
There's ZERO competition.😅
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE You completely misunderstood the movie. 😅
It's actually quite comical.....🤭
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE biased, I and even other people who didn't really like the movie still said they liked this scene. She will most likely come back in scream 7 though.
Agreed , I loved that too , to me Sydney reached her peak as a character and I agree she deserves her happy ending , in a way so does Gale , I hope Gale also is left out of the next movie and we just focus on the new characters
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE What's wrong with her husband? What makes him a deadbeat, exactly? I liked him, She can't spend the rest of her life coming to knock off these killers. She has to be concerned about her kids.
The thing that actually made me question Kirby as a potential killer was that she said "The movies dont matter" at the police station, which mirrors the killer's "Who give a fuck about the movies?" at the beginning.
I’ve seen it twice now and I enjoy it more than 5. 2 biggest problems I had was Chad surviving getting stabbed 25 times and The killers at the end refusing to shoot Sam and Tara. The cop basically just stood there while his kids got killed and running at Sam while he has a loaded gun. Like just kill them already was on my mind! Lol. On a good note Melissa Barrera acting was far better in this movie than 5.
im all-around disappointed with how few people actually die. i groaned in the theatre when they offhandedly mentioned "oh yeah gale's fine btw"
I get the chad thing bc they’re trying to make him the new Dewey-esque character. The survival of more than a few of the characters has always been like “yeah sure totally realistic “.
The kills though have always been knife driven. It seems stupid realistically but again it fits with the theme of the franchise. Also these were personal attacks- which is why a knife is used. They’re too emotional to think rationally.
@@viviolet7this, the way i immediately wiped my tears and sighed 😂
"The cop basically just stood there while his kids got killed and running at Sam while he has a loaded gun"
I don't know why people don't talk about this. It's the worst scene in the movie and honestly seems like something the Wayans Brothers would make fun of on the spoof movies.
Looking back, Chad surviving after getting stabbed multiple times isn’t surprising just from the fact that they’ve never killed off surviving characters from previous movies near the end of the film. Randy, Judy and Dewey got killed halfway through the films and Cotton was killed in the opening of Scream 3.
I was sure he was dead since he was already meant to have died in 5 but was saved as a last minute revision so it seemed like he'd had his extension and now it was time to pay the piper
So why didn’t they subvert expectations then? If they would have toned down the stabbing, then it would have made more sense. But this scream movie was very reckless with characters surviving despite the amount of stabbing being done. A stab used to be able to kill, now it just like a small cut.
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They had made it downstairs before Ghostface cut off the others.
@@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE THEY DID VANISH! I said the same thing in the theatre....where are they?!
Right. And we thought Dewey was dead in Scream 2, so it kinda mirrors that. I myself, did not expect Dewey to survive in Scream 2. Just like I didn’t expect Chad to survive that. Even though I’m glad he did.
You made so many good points. Made me think about the missed opportunity for a scene with the horror film class where there's a substitute/new prof. and two empty seats. Tara could've been in the class and had a sort of callback to Sidney looking at Casey's empty spot in the first movie. Then continued to have a discussion with Mindy and the rest of the class about what happened and tropes like in Scream 2.
For sure. That would be sorta clever mirroring. Like the two killers are dead in class, etc. I mean if you’re referring to having a scene like that after the Jason and Greg opening, and in the original context of how the movie goes.
College doesn’t work like high school. There’s no such thing as a “substitute” professor, class would just be canceled. Which is probably what happened lol
@@fjCordero5 i’m in college right now ik how it works, hence “/new prof”. let’s not forget this is hypothetical for a fictional movie
@@alargento6498 yea a hypothetical that wouldn’t make any sense lol how many film professors you think are on call to come fill in for the professor that was just murdered the night before🤦🏽♂️
@@fjCordero5 bruh... how many film profs get murdered by film students in the first place?! it's a movie lolllll hush
Thank you for mentioning that Gale did end up writing the book but didn't know about Bailey! This bothered me so much because if she didn't write the book that would be the excuse for why they were in a vulnerable situation and could've gotten Gale to start writing books again after this movie, but they needed a reason to have tension between Sam & Tara and Gale....
How come Sam didn’t know about the family? I assume she started dating Richie before knowing his family? But would have to watch Scream 5 again to check
@@eldante4139 Sam was only dating him for about 6 months, could have been less have to check that again. But Gale and the cops not knowing is baffling.
Gale (Courtney Cox) said that she wantes this to happen and she said "someone had to". This was her choice.
@@eldante4139 Richie lied about being a killer, it’s safe to assume he lied about other things.
If Richie’s family moved and deleted all social media quick enough it’s not unbelievable she would never see their faces. It wouldn’t even be suspicious behaviour - plenty of families do the same after a member turn out to be a mass 5400ter or 5erial killer. And remember they’re all using fake names in NY too.
I actually didn’t mind the direction they went with Gale’s arc, because it felt like Dewey was always the one who could get through to her and keep her in check, she had a soft spot for him, with him gone, she reverts back to her old ways, i see it as her kinda tragic way of grieving
No one could keep gale and check
@@pleaseshutup7053 yeah but he was the best at not keeping her in check
@@Skorpio1121 I like the way you phrased that you right
Dewey was a major factor in helping Gale see the bigger picture, but after seeing what happened to Randy (which could've been her), Gale was already changing. Seeing Dewey getting attacked drove that point home even further. And, while Gale arrived in Hollywood looking for a scoop in Scream 3, she treated everything with much more sensitivity than the previous two movies, even with Jennifer annoying her the whole time.
Having her revert didn't ruin her character, but it was disappointing after hearing her reveal so much regret toward the end of Scream 5.
@@Joe_Parmesan yeah I totally get out how so many ppl feel that way, I just personally found it to be a really tragic step in her arc that I thought was interesting, with Gale being my favorite character in the franchise
I also don’t really agree that Roger was underused. His phone call with Gale has to be the longest in the series next to Casey’s in the original, and he gets some of his most emotionally vicious material ever there. Yeah he doesn’t talk much in the scene with Samara Weaving, but he makes up for that with the call to Jason. Then he has the call with Sam and Tara before the bodega scene, the call in the van before Gale’s attack, AND he gets to voice Sam in costume at the end. Scream 5 for sure gave Roger more room to work with, but Roger by far in both 5 and 6 is at his absolute most used and best in the series imo. That’s the one thing Radio Silence has absolutely excelled in.
He’s used later on for sure, but the opening scene is what I’m referring to. From what I understand, they originally had him on the phone from the onset of call, but changed their mind.
@@ZackCherry yea bc domt u think a slasher professor wouldn’t know ghostfaces infamous “stab” voice
I think his second longest scene was with Tara in the opening of the last one but I agree with everything. Loved the phone call with gale and how he was used in this one
@@bubba8751 maybe not if he used the lighter more casual version of it from when he was first talking to Tara as 'Charlie' in 5
This is so VALID for the GALE issue. So sad to them do this to her.
That scene you described with Samara Weaving being killed and hung at Grand Central Station is genius and would have made for a hell of an epic opening! 😮
Yes!! I loved this idea too
It was still a good opening.
i particularly liked Scream VI a lot, but what i’ve noticed with Radio Silence’s entries is that the 3rd act has fallen flat both times. even though Scream 4 isn’t generally well-liked, the 3rd act on first viewing left you speechless & on the edge of your seat bc it seemed like GF was really gonna win this time. i feel like something new needs to be done with the 3rd act bc loyal scream fans already assume that the protagonists are gonna prevail anyways
I sadly have to agree, they can't get the 3rd act right ever, as much as people hate s3 even it's 3rd act was better than what radio silence is putting out. I think because it's not a lot at stake, and the showdowns are kinda basic. The gf killers are purposely/visibly making bad decisions just to set up for Sam to win. Like both Richie & his dad had guns & had every opportunity to shoot Sam but they just charge her with a gun? 🤨🤦🏾♀️ Or Quinn charging someone with a gun... Whereas in previous movies it wasn't as easy for sid in some cases. They need to have a writing session with Kevin Williamson or something...
I think what they could do for Scream 7 IS have GF get away. At least one of them. It would be the perfect even split-have Sam and a few other protags survive, but live in fear of the fact that one of the killers is still out there. AND have Scream 8 be Sam works with the old GF to get the new one. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
I was really hoping for a Ghostface to finally get away with it
Scream 5's act 3 was pretty good imo
@@bombastic__sideeye I mean, Tara had a pretty good scene after falling, but that was about it.
Personally I really thought the tension in the movie was the best part whenever ghost face was on screen in the earlier scenes he was terrifying and even in the subway scene it’s suspenseful throughout the whole scene until then end great use of the characters to show real fear and paranoia
This was definitely the scariest scream movie I’ve seen I was shaking in the liquor store ladder and gale scene
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Yeah and I got to give serious praise to how they used this character in the first half of the movie ghost face felt like a serious threat someone with either standard combat training or someone who was a serious serial killer for a long time who wasn’t some teenager who just grabbed a knife and started murdering and the opening scene where he kills the college ghost faces really puts into perspective the difference in caliber between these two killers
I have not seen a scary or tension-filled Scream movie since the first two movies. S3 and S4 had zero suspense imo. S5 and S6 gave all the suspenseful scenes away in their trailers, so they weren't as impactful.
@@Hellstothenaw I feel you on the trailers that’s why I don’t watch the recent trailer because there were so many spoilers in the fifth trailer
Next scream try your hardest to not watch the trailer it makes the movie so much better when you watch it
It’s so hard but definitely worth it in the end was tempted a couple times though
@@Hellstothenaw that’s your fault for watching the trailer. I knew not to watch the trailer and I’m glad I did not because it gave away all the best scenes
My first watch I LOVED the film until act 3. I found the reveal anticlimactic and a little disappointing. But my second watch, the reveal got way better. Though they were very 1-dimensional characters initially. post-reveal ethan and quinn’s performances were pretty solid. Overall, the film is a strong entry, middle of the pack for sure. I just wish there had been more deaths.
I think middle is the perfect place. Better than sequels 3,5. Not as good as 4,2. And obviously nothing is as good as the first
I agree with you so much I don’t know why but on my first watch I felt like something was missing but the second time I enjoyed it way more
@@opchild I love how all Scream fans have different favorites. Because I love 3 and 5 and only like 4 and 2.
Couldn’t agree more
There were more deaths than you'd think, which shouldn't be too suprising given there were 5 Ghostfaces in total who all die (even though one doesn't get to kill anyone). There were about as many kills in the OG trilogy. But I do agree there were too many fake deaths.
Mrs.Loomis was overcome with guilt for abandoning her son & him turning into a killer. So she put blame on herself but couldn't come to terms with it, which drove her psychotic to avenge her sons death, as a way to cope..Its pretty deep psychologically really..but 6 was more straight up revenge.
I very much enjoyed this movie but there are soooo many plot holes. Makes no sense that Kirby wouldn’t know who Richie’s family are, given that she’s in the FBI and “investigating Ghostface attacks”. Same for Gale who wrote a book based on the events of Scream 5. Also, how did Quinn find Sam and Tara’s anonymous roommate ad? And how did Ethan “juke” (I think that’s the word they use) the roommate lottery to get Chad as a roommate? And, how did Bailey manage to afford that massive building for the shrine in the middle of NYC?? A building like that would cost millions. Again, fun movie and lots of good things about it, but these plot holes are so frustrating.
I think a great opportunity was missed. I would have cast Joshua Jackson (Scream 2) in the Samara Weaving roll as the film professor.
Omg yes!!!!!!
@@laquitasmith6774full circle moment right?
@@MrDDiaz1985 most definitely
Cool idea
He'd look good in the yellow Dress for sure
People dismissing this valid criticism as nitpicking or hating are so weird to me. Like, way to tell everyone you have no sense of media analysis or literacy. You can like something and still recognize it's flaws, it not a reflection of your taste or personhood. Idk why people think enjoyment and critique are mutually exclusive
Spoilers: i think the writers were inspired by the scrapped Kevin Williamson Scream 3 script as well as the initial plot for Scream 4’s sequel if they had gone with the original ending. The reveal of the “shrine” was giving major ‘Cult of Ghostface Killers’ vibe the way it was initially planned for 3, with the curtain and everything. And the idea that the protagonist goes to university and is stalked for being the supposed killer in the previous movie was a storyline initially intended for Jill if she had gotten away with it
And don’t forget Scream 2 since sooooooo much of Scream 6 literally lifts from Scream 2
@@brite1217 I think that's part of the fun. Scream 7 could lift from Scream 3 but instead of a long lost family member being the killer, have the MOTHER of Sam and Tara be the killer. Think about it in her mind, she's snapped from the new killings, and thinks the only way to stop them is to get rid of the problem which in her mind would be Sam.
@@TheRibottoStudios oh I’m pretty sure that’s where they’re going. That’s not fun to me. It’s boring. I want them to do something more with these new movies.
someone in my theatre yelled "ITS STU" before the kisd took the masks off. It def had that vibe
#CultofStu
FINALLY someone else who appreciates how menacing Quinn was in the finale! Thank you, I feel seen!
@Mathias.Eggimann Especially since her character was already too lame to care about which I think was their attention but she was too lame. Also I think she acknowledges GF in her room while talking on the phone.
She actually resembled one of the vampires from 30 Days of Night...the bald one.
You make so many valid points with the lazy writing - Gale is extremely intelligent and SURELY would've investigated Richie's family. I definitely noticed a few plot holes but I had such a good time watching the movie, I didn't even care in the end!
My only argument for this is that Gale was called a mediocre writer in Scream 2 so I think that could validate her not fully doing her research.
@@JoshaLuke But she did do some good research for the book in Scream 2 though. She saw pictures of Nancy Loomis but due to plastic surgery & weight loss didn't recognize her as Debbie Salt.
@@AkiTerry And like she said herself in 4, "I helped solve these things, 3 times"
@@miserysz that line always got on my nerves. What did she solve? Nothing…she didn’t find out who the killers were on her own accord.
Add to that Kirby "I have a special interest in Ghostface attacks" - So incompetent she never bothered or unable to find Ritchie's family after what he did.
Scream 7 if Kirby is back should= Ex- FBI Agent.
Jill was originally supposed to get away with the spree in scream 4 while Sidney was supposed to have amnesia and not remember anything. Wes craven wanted scream 5 to be about a new ghost face who knew about jills plan. In other words Predator becomes prey.
That would have been great also would have spared us of Scream 5 as it was.
Wait, was this the actual plan? I’ve never heard this, but that’s LITERALLY what I wanted to happen when I saw the flick. I was even wishing they’d have just retconned the end of 4 to allow it lmao.
@@JGrantUK Yeah that's what was supposed to happened, kind of wish it did but then we probably wouldn't have these movies and Kirby probably wouldn't be alive. But yeah same I remember years and years ago thinking and writing up my own lil fan story of how would do a scream 4 sequel where Jill got her fame and Sidney survived but had amnesia and Jill was trying to finish the job in the most covert way while another Ghostface lurked in the shadows that knew her secret before I knew that was sort of the plan.
i wish jill lived because i liked her but that would involve gale, judy, and dewey having amnesia also
Couldn't agree more on the point where you said Richie wasnt that memorable to have this tribute. To be honest I even thought to myself "did Stu have a sister?" cause I thought the writers were gonna go there over having the killers be Richie's family. I did miss an honorable mention to Tony Revolori's monologue when he thinks he's talking to his roommate about how it felt to having finally killed someone! It gave me the chills and the lines were so well delivered -and the sense of completion when he himself is killed by the real ghostface.
He did, his nephew was one of the victims of Scream 5
Yes I wish they would do more with the whole billy and stu thing besides same being Billy's daughter
I love the scene u painted of gale finding out who the killer was in the shrine and getting discovered and having her chase scene been there until she gets incapacitated until the third act where we can finally see the shrine. Maybe after the killer monologue have her hanging from something in front of the projector like Derek in scream 2 since they were going that route with the movie. Great breakdown 👍
Oooh I like the callback to that. They even had that prop in the shrine.
Hey Zack your ideas about Gale being trapped by the killer in the shrine etc are super interesting. It would be cool if you made a video about how you would have made S6 with your entire plot and the killer changed
that's what he's done here, this isn't a review it's a fan fiction presentation
@@jackgardner2514 Looked like a review to me.
@SilentSaturn watch any dead meat review and you'll see where all this is is fanboy bitching
Ues
Quins line about her brother dying last year gave me the entire unmasking and motive right there. Her second scene!
YEP
So disappointing
I honestly shrugged it off and didn’t think it had to do with Richie
@@jared1964 I just latched on so hard to it as soon as it was said. Plus her dad being a cop and the shrine having all of the stolen evidence. I did not get Ethan though. That one wasn't expected.
@@RikerBiker lol I I had speculated Ethan because he looked similar to Richie and he being suspicious the whole movie
I loved this opening scene more than all of them except the first. Love going from following the victim to the killer to turning him to the victim.
this might be my favourite, and it's gotten me back into the whole franchise. I've watched the all since. I think it did the job in getting the audience to care about the new cast. a couple more deaths would have been logical but it would limit the options for 7. I dunno. I'm just grateful we'll get more of these.
I had a good time watching it. However, they went way too hard on the meta conversations, we're six movies in and we don't need to keep talking about requels and sequels. And the ending was boring and way overdone. However, I think this movie had some of the most brutal deaths in the franchise, and some really strong scenes. Also, as much as we all love Gale, she felt like she was going through exactly the same character arch she's gone through in every single movie. Can we have her actually learn from her mistakes please?
Spoiler: I felt like Gale's chase scene was a bit too choreographed for my liking. It was like ok, run over here do this, turn around, do this, okay run here, now break this. The chase didn't seem organic up until the moment she got stabbed.
Weres the storytelling going forward tho? Nothing new has developed since the end of Scream 3. These movies just keep dragging it on and on i mean look at the killers motives here.. they're getting revenge for a family member whonwas a previous killer... huh we already had that motive with Scream 2. The constant dialog and scene steals from the original trilogy is just so frustrating. They really need to end the franchise like 3 films ago. Least with the original trilogy everything fit together nicely in the story.. it all connected from start to the end.
@@fans-ed1td You gonna post that on many more comments for a few likes? xd
It would be nice if Gale learned from her mistakes. Reminds me of my mom though lol, she unfortunately just never learns from her mistakes.
The thing is Gale had already learned from her mistakes but the writers decided to undo all of her character development for some cheap drama
Completely agree, as soon as quinn mentioned a brother i called it being her and the detective, i didn't predict Ethan but I don't think he was necessary or made sense
Agreed I did fall for her death scene but that comment gave away two of the killers immediately
Yep the moment they wouldn’t say the name of their brother or son I knew it was them. I did fall for fake kill for a bit and then I remembered Roman.
Ethan made perfect sense when stuff happened he was always gone and on the train I knew he as a killer because as a geeky guy he would be freaked out by ghostface everywhere but he didn’t care
I didn’t think anything of it.
But Quinn makes sense? It could’ve honestly just been the parent but they wanted to switch it up and make it a family so they both were necessary
For Gale writing the book, Gale would definitely find Richie’s families real names because that’s public record, but not necessarily anything else. If Richie’s family moved and deleted all social media quick enough it’s not unbelievable she would never see their faces. It wouldn’t even be suspicious behaviour - plenty of families do the same after a member turn out to be a mass 5400ter or 5erial killer. And obviously they’re all using fake names in NY too.
This still doesn’t hold up as the “way back machine” exists. If u don’t know it’s a website that pretty much compiles all archived versions of websites. This is how people find old deleted tweets from celebrities. If you’ve been on Twitter lately u see that this is being used against Greta thunberg. With people captioning “why did u delete this Greta?” Along with the years old deleted tweet. plus richies dad would’ve had to have been a cop for a long time to make detective, meaning he’s been on some police force for some time. There would be plenty of public record for him and it would’ve been part of almost every report that richies dad was a cop due to how shocking that would be. So it is actually a huge flaw that neither gale or Kirby recognized the family in this day and age. In the 90s an extreme make over is much more believable as gale admits she’s only seen Nancy in pictures. Sidney however who knew the woman in person instantly recognized Nancy for who she was. Pictures were way low res back then so somehow an extreme makeover explanation ends up being leagues more believable than the excuses in scream 6 somehow
It's unlikely for Bailey to used fake name and working as detective in big apple
@@zackyvwasin339 I live in nyc and I used to be an EMT, so I got to know plenty of first responders. They were afraid to even get therapy for fear of not being allowed in fdny or the nypd because the background check might pick that up. Changing ur name is not as simple as it seems u would need a whole new SS number. It would be very strange if ur existence literally started a year ago and the police department would let u be a detective with that kind of background. I now work in mental health and I can’t get not one job without a background check and every emt job I’ve ever had required one as well and we don’t get to carry a gun lol
@@lostlifevids The way back machine only works if people actively use it to take a capture of that time period. People do that for celebrities because people constantly follow them. People don’t constantly follow random nobodies and they would be among the first to know about what happened, so they could delete their presence before it went public. And Bailey being a cop for a long time has no relevance if he moved and changed his name.
@@zackyvwasin339 It’s not really strange, cops want to help each other. All he would have to do is tell people that daughter is moving to NY and he’s overprotective because his only other child died in a tragic accident. Plus his dozens of recommendations from his previous department. Also, if you EVER underestimate the incompetence of any police department, you’ve never worked for the police.
Totally agree with Zack about Gale's character. I was pissed when the book is brought up.
So did Richie’s family initially help and encourage him to be a killer for his whole movie plot to carry out? Or did they find out after his death that he was crazy and decide to be crazy avengers too? It just seems so far fetched that all 4 of them would decide to be killers.
I agree and also am somewhat confused why Richie collected stuff from the real events as I thought one of the big points in Scream 5 was he only cared about the Stab movies
really? you find a family of killers hard to believe but someone getting targeted by 9 different killers across several years makes complete sense to u lol and is realistic? lol
I think all the Kirsch children were kinda pyscotic crazy obssesed with the Stab Franchise (as Quinn said her favorite killer was Stu Macher while Ethan probably was Nancy Loomis since he was using her mask) and this was endulged into all of them by Wayne collecting all the evidence of the crime scenes over the years. Althought he said it was for him and Richie bonding, I think is something he did along side all of his children as the three of them clearly seem to know well the shrine seen as how Ethan and Quinn moved really fast all over the place (I even would bet that Quinn and Ethan were part of Richie's movie proyects as Wayne clearly wasn't interested in movies). While I think all were furious over Richie's death, I suspect that Wayne just snapped and didn't think this through while Quinn and Ethan just had a perfect motive to follow after their older brother's steps to fulfill their fantasies of being Ghostfaces, because althought they didn't were effective as their father kills their attacks seemed more brutal and energetic.
The father was a dirty cop so yes he was a killer
@@mephamjohnson4422 don’t you get it ? Richie was obsessed with the whole franchise. Bailey said as a kid Richie loved the stab movies at that point Richie was his only child so he gifted Richie with everything stab related. As a cop he could get the evidence( As he explained) richie made home films of ghostface on TH-cam in his younger days, then the stab movies start to flop and he snaps and decides to start a new killing spree so Hollywood would make a new stab movie but based on those real events like the original. Obviously Richie’s always been crazy-fan obsessed but it was that what made him a killer as for his family im sure they weren’t just going around killing people before Scream 6 cause they would’ve mentioned it etc. they only became killers when Sam & Tara killed Richie. So to avenge him they became ghostface as he did and who he always loved since childhood. Stab fanatic
I am fully aligned with the subway scene. I kept on expecting them to get off at the next stop. It was the best set up.
It might make more sense if the dad always was a killer, seeing how efficient Richie's kills were, then the other kids being into it would be a nature/nurture conversation more than an anomoly. I loved the two killers wiping the knife at once bit. I'm hoping the things that they opened up with Gale and Kirby are dealt with in the next one, and admittedly the "if you believe he's dead" line about Stu made me insanely happy. I just don't see how the name "ghostface" could exist if he didn't at least live long enough to mutter it to an EMT or something. Tatum only said it to her killer, and we are lead to believe they both die that night before repeating it. It's my biggest plot hole greivance.
1 hour of scream content?! That’s why I subscribed to this channel 😅
Definitely agree with you that the Radio Silence team struggles with red herrings and the murder mystery aspect in general. There is a very narrow list of suspects with no misleading clues whatsoever which just makes it process of elimination at that point.
The first fared a bit better but it’s way too obvious Quinn’s death was staged and I knew then it was her and the detective, Ethan was a little surprise though I suppose. Pretty disappointing as that’s probably my favorite aspect of the movies and maybe the most integral as well but I also think these two movies are solid despite that glaring flaw. Excited for 7 and hope they can craft a true mystery because all the pieces are there for a potential best sequel.
The mystery is the most interesting aspect as I don't see how they can keep this up without pivoting back to that.
I absolutely loved Scream 6. It’s my second favorite scream movie, it hit every beat for me, from the action, chase scenes, comedy, and story
Story? What story? The story ended at the end of Scream 3. How can you enjoy these cash grabs just mimicking previous legacy characters, constantly ripping off scenes and dialog from the original trilogy? Heck look at the killers motive here... its just stolen from Mrs Loomis motive from the classic Scream 2. The franchise seriously needs ending
Really? Fans these days are to easily entertained and like turning off there brains. Scream 5 and Scream 6 are both bad. Well Scream 5 is bland and Scream 6 is a hot mess. The directors are solid but this team needs new writers ASAP
@@kiaadams104 They literally just rip off scenes, dialogue and legacy characters from the original trilogy so much. I couldn't even watch the ending after being told the killers motives... was just a rip off of Mrs Loomis motive from the classic scream 2. Just stick to the original trilogy and you have a great story that fits together and ends together nicely.
@@FreeThinkAlways Bro just move on already. Almost every single comment thread I see you complaining
@Michael 92 ay I agree. You out here spitting factz
I have to agree with you about criticizing Sam for calling out to Ghostface before shooting him. The store owner also did that too, if he hadn't one of the three killers would've been killed
Amazing breakdown! One question/plot hole I had was why Kirby, now an FBI agent, would come running to NYC for Ghostface killings this year, but the year prior made no appearance when they happened in her hometown.
Two wishes in future installments is for a killer to be killed long before the final scene and for a killer to survive a final scene (either arrested or escape). Love your channel!
She may have already been on her way to New York since she was investigating Jason & the other guy. Maybe in part 5 the case wasn’t kicked up to the FBI until Wes & his mom were killed
@@peterdanior4538 but didnt the events of part 5 inspire jason & Greg to become killers to "finish richie's movie" as jason said when he is getting killed. They wouldn't have started until after the events of 5
Kevin Williamson needs to write again. Why won't he just do it?! :'(
I think the way to handle Gale would be her still writing the book but not with the initial benefit of her getting to report on the story first but to try and help clear Sams name once all the bad press and rumors had begun. By giving Sams point of view in order to help Sam tell her story. That way it would be the first time Gale actually WORKS with the person shes writing her books about and it gives a reason more in line with where Gale was at the end of Scream 5. (You could even have Gale getting backlash/disgraced by the mass media dismissing her book with Sam and calling Gale a liar as well, could even work the iconic punch scene in here with Gale coming to the police station to get the girls and have someone from the media yell obnsenties to Sam or Gale and she punch them.)
Granted this would remove the conflict that Sam/Tera have with her but it would be more realistic as to why Gale would want to stick her neck out and help these girls if she had that positive relationship with them. I think doing it this way really sends home the message they had towards the middle when Sam and Gale talk alone "When you lose the one person you love most in the world, you find another to look over."
I like your idea!!!!
This makes so much sense. I feel like there didnt need to be conflict with her tho. I mean I get that Gale is suppose to be the antagonist to some degree but… she ends up “assisting” the main characters anyway. Why does there need to be tension with her when there’s been so much character development and growth?
Gales's resolution: she is reporting on a hurricane hitting the US Virgin Islands and gets swept away by the storm and dies.
I'm so glad u broke down the plot and went thru this movie
While I don't share all of your personal gripes with the movie, I respect and appreciate all of your insight! My wishlist for Scream 7 would be them hiring you to collaborate on the screeplay because I think if you combined the suspense and horror of Scream 6 with your depth of knowledge on this franchise and insight for a good whodunnit mystery, it would be stellar 😄
I’ll even do it for free 😂
@@ZackCherry hell, I'd even pay you to write your own version of scream just to add to my scream shrine (I only have a few items, nothing like this movie). I'm serious! Hahaha
Zach Cherry would write a flawless and surprising who dun it for SURE!!! He has really incredible ideas for the Scream movies as do a lot of true fans that I’ve read
Always love your vids! Yeah the fact that especially Chad survives able to make out with Tara, and even Tara legitimately falling onto a knife, who at the end is not even admitted to a hospital and walks away in only a sling, is SO lazy by the writers and has such a great movie come to an very unbelievable ending...
Radio silence is clearly lacking in terms of writing a great 3rd act. In general, the script for both radio silence movies have Been weak, and I hope they get somebody new to write the script for 7
I feel gale reverting back to her old ways and bad habits after losing Dewey is pretty spot on and makes sense to me Dewey was always her moral compass and without him and the hurt of losing him this is the result
20:27 YUP, me too Zack! I just spent the entire rest of the movie waiting for them to provide an alternate theory, only for those obvious clues to never be challenged.
39:38 Except for here, which I also knew was a fakeout to throw off suspicion with how awkwardly it was shot. It didn't help that I specifically went into this movie wondering if the killer would fake their own death, since we hadn't gotten that in a while.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fun fact that, during the therapists kill scene, some character on the TV program he's watching is screaming "You're next! You're next! You're next!"
That was such a cool wee easter egg 😊
Can’t wait to watch the video of you dissecting who kiIIed who in Scream 6! It should honestly be easier than Scream 5!
You and Chris of 3C Films have such different viewpoints on the movie. Would love to see a joint review from you two.
amazing idea for the shrine and gale!!!!!! itd have been amaaaaaazing !!!!
just amazing!
Excellent video even though I disagreed with parts! Bring on Scream VII!
I feel like we won’t be getting a sequel that’ll live up to the OG trilogy until Radio Silence isn’t involved. I mean I like Scream 6 but after 7 I think we need a fresh start. New writers (If Kevin Williamson isn’t available), new directors, new cast, new story.. It’s getting too convoluted atp.. Make an actual scary sequel/reboot where the comedic moments come organically like the first 2 movies and aren’t forced in like a CW show. Bring back the cold cruelness of the original movie. What made the first 2 films so suspenseful and scary is that it didn’t feel like you were watching a movie. The characters felt like real people in real situations. The franchise is basically an adult version of Scooby Doo now lol.
I honestly don't think it was ever going to live up to the originals (1 and 2 for me, not really 3) we all have this romantic idea in our heads of the iconic original and we see the faults on everything else that comes after
I think a cool kind of thing could’ve been if they made this the Theater from Scream 2 opening and that’s why it’s so important to the killers. Because it’s linked to the Ghost face killers. Also that it closed after the murders that took place and that’s why it’s so decayed
I have been DYING for your review to come out. I agree with most of your points. Ultimately, I really enjoyed the movie until the very end because the killer motive and reveal was just a big let down, however even with that, I still liked the ride to get there. I liked this one a hair more than 5 for that reason I think.
YES! I agree! I thought they would’ve discussed the professor’s murder the next day or something. But instead everything was that night!
Would like to add Laura is a film professor, and she stated in the opening scene. that she didn't like stab, so it would make sense for Jason to use his voice for the first half
I mean, he’s a student of hers and using his actual voice. I guess he was correct to assume she wouldn’t recognize him on that alone.
@ZackCherry I wouldn't expect her to know every student she teaches, especially since she just moved into the city 6 months ago. Hopefully, I don't sound rude. But I do agree this movie has its problems. I enjoyed the video keep up the good work, man.
@@ZackCherry bruh she’s a professor at a university they barely remember names let alone voices LMFAO they have tons of students
@@ZackCherry in all fairness, I don’t remember half the kids who were in my college courses, and I was a student. I doubt a teacher would recognize every student by looks let alone a voice, ya feel?
Great way to start the morning with my Coffee! Thanks for making a thorough breakdown vid, Zack👍😱🔪
The funny thing about my first time watching the movie, up until the reveal I was convinced I'd guessed everything right. Not who the killers were, but I was so sure I guessed their motive and connection to previous characters. My guess was that there would be at least 3 or 4 killers, and they would be like an alliance of people who were connected to several past killers. Excluding the killers with pre-established families (Billy, Stu, Mrs Loomis, Roman and Jill) we knew absolutely nothing about the people closest to Mickey, Charlie, Richie and Amber. So because of the shrine shown in Scream 6 and the heavy focus they put on all the past killers, I thought it made total sense for the killers to be a group of unrelated people that teamed up to get revenge on the people they blame. Then all the survivors would be a target, not just Sam and Tara. It makes sense that Gale would be targeted for playing a part in Mickey's death, and the person related to Charlie blames Kirby for rejecting him constantly, which drove him into being Jill's puppet who she could manipulate into killing for her. Then they can have 2 revenge killers for Richie and Amber targeting Sam and Tara, which is straightforward enough. I would've loved this reveal a lot more than having all the killers being in the same family, because then you have the plot holes with the secret identities, fake names, everything that we got in the film, which just made their plan more convoluted and messy
The best review I’ve seen hands down on this movie. This movie had ZERO TENSION.
Thank you!!! I had the same opinions. I saw the killers from a mile away and was so mad that they blatantly ripped off the second one. They aren't Kevin Williamson in terms of writing and I miss him doing it for the franchise.
The guy Sams hooking up with was a red herring I thought.
Wow I didn’t expect to comment so much but I loved the convenience store scene. Ghost face just straight up blowing dudes face off was epic
I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but the mixer that Tara went to was Omega Kappa Beta. That was Derek's fraternity in Scream 2.
Man that was an excellent review. You skillfully pointed out every single issue this movie has. Congrats!!!
Simp.
For Gale's apparent lack of research, at least in 2, she does say she's seen pictures of Nancy Loomis, but is told that she's had work done (and presumably the pictures were several years before). As for Bailey, it literally just happened one year earlier! There's no way she doesn't recognize him.
And how is Bailey the dad of Quinn, Ethan and Richie yet they have different last names? I get it's possible to change your name, but the trio did extensive background checks on their possible roommates. There's no way a single detective could cover all of that. Also dont get why Mindy wasn't the girls' roommate.
Exactly
As soon as Quinn said she lost her brother I knew she was in on it, this reminded me of I Still Know what you did last Summer.
One thing I think 6 got right where 5 really fell short for me was making Sam feel like our lead heroine. Melissa Barrera got more moments to shine and demonstrate her range.
I didn’t love Sam’s portrayal in 5, and I loved how 6 mocked how some fans thought her brutality killing Richie and doing the Ghostface knife wipe could lead to her being one of the killers. I was one of those people that thought it could be possible, so for me that was a nice starting place for Sam in the movie.
I'd like to see a "Scream" movie, where there are a number of killers that aren't working together, and they are both competing with eachother, and trying to avoid getting killed by eachother. They'd all be bad guys, but you might be able to sympathize with one of them. But, then, you also have the innocent victims and veteran characters.
Agreed 100%- I knew who the killers were when she mentioned her “dead brother” immediately. It was so obviously Richie. Especially when Quinn had a death scene where you don’t actually see her getting killed, shes obviously still alive. They did the same thing with Roman in scream 3 when he appears in the coffin - not actually dead. I also got frustrated that characters who were stabbed 1000 times somehow were still alive at the end…how is that possible? Lol
I also love hearing your ideas about how the movie could have gone differently - makes me wish it had been an even better movie ❤❤
the more obvious fact is that detective bailey and ethan were never attacked lol esp ethan he was present for two attacks n nothing happened to him either time lol
And to your point once it’s so obvious it’s Quinn and that her death is fake, it’s just a domino effect onto Bailey, who comes out crying the next scene, and confirms she’s ‘dead’. So it’s like this horrible chain reaction of absolute and utter stupidity that is essentially unforgivably bad writing
How indeed?!!
I think the killer reveals got better when I went to see it a second time, because knowing who the killers were, I noticed little details like during the scene when Mindy explains the rules of a franchise, Quinn and Ethan both try to put suspicion on the Core 4 which I thought was a nice detail.
While this movie might be my favorite sequel, everything you've stated was so cathartic to hear cuz there are opinions I have not been able to put into words and you nailed it, I agree so much! Tickled the confirmation bias part of my brain so good
My two biggest gripes.
#1 shouting before trying to shoot killer 🤦
#2 characters being stabbed more than past characters but always being ok because they are main characters
I loved the ending scene where Sam wears Billy's mask and goes crazy on the detective
That was literally the worst part of the entire scream franchise. Leaving a ruthless ghost-face killer with his gun to try take him on with a knife? Absolutely awful writing and makes no sense.
@@TheRobbieEffect the worst lol you know damn well you don’t believe that
@@pleaseshutup7053 it’s in the top 3
@@TheRobbieEffect dang man let me enjoy my life
I felt this movie hada lot of good scenes but the story lacked a lot and it didn't have that much to say on the current state of horror or the "franchise" tropes that Mindy mentions. I think maybe having a bigger gap between movies could have helped it a lot
I prefer it when the movies are so quick back to back. It sucks when you wait long only for it to be sucky anyways.
@@Hellstothenaw Having them back to back quickly could work if they made the story around that like making it so the killers motives don't make too much sense on purpose in reference to horror franchises that churn sequels out year to year or something like that as if not it's basically just turning into a generic horror film instead of a meta horror like the others are
Complaining about story in the 6th movie of a slasher franchise you funny
@@mephamjohnson4422 I don't think making a film bad to comment on how films are bad is very sensible.
I agree on the opening scene, Gale usage and investigating the museum, and museum reveal at the end.
I think that the college students should have been the killers for this entire film and have the film have more college scenes. Then, after they are revealed and killed at the end, there should have been a cliffhanger to the people orchestrating and helping the college killers, which would expose the Kirsch family in Scream 7.
Your ideas for manning scenes better or however I should word that are INCREDIBLE … especially for the reveal of the shrine! They should hire you!!!
Totally agree on almost everything! I think gale has to write the book, its her brand and she has purpose writing so i did kinda like that. I told myself quinn better not be the killer right when she was introduced it was so obvious they ruined that and lost that suttle touch on context clues with each character.
I LOVE your idea for what they should have done with the cold open kill. Having it being a homage from the iconic Dario Argento kill from Suspiria would have been gold. It would have opened with such an epic bang and how thrilling would that be for all us horror fans to experience Samara weavings characters kill mirroring the first kill in Suspiria. Chef's kiss right there. I feel thats something Wes Craven would be integrating into these sequels at this point. Horror is so vast with subgenres and iconic kills that there are so many great meta ideas to grasp from to make homages to classic horror and keeping the Scream franchise fresh in every sequel. It would be a genuinely frightening and shocking open. I definitely feel they should have utilized the New York setting more and same with the Halloween season. They could have done so much more with it being on that holiday.
Imagine if that happened to Jaso? He gets brutally attacked and tries to escape through the window. Literally the best scream opening
I also wish we had gotten more New York landmarks!!
Hmm. Agree with a lot of what you say. A few points:
1) The fact that Ritchie even HAS a family isn't mentioned anywhere in either Screams 5 or 6 until the very end of 6. Billy's mother was set up from early on in the original Scream. So just pulling a random father, brother and sister out of nowhere... and then having the father be a police officer, which makes zero sense... it doesn't work either in terms of plot consistency or good writing.
2) They've been hinting for two films now that Tara's going to turn out to be a killer. I predicted this for #6. I really hope they go with it for #7, even if it's a bit obvious. Also I would LOVE for them to do something like "duelling Ghostfaces". They've now set up this world where anybody can put on this outfit for any reason. Why not follow one ghostface who's puzzled by the existence of another, completely separate, ghostface?
3) Going on with S7 requests, I'd like a more clever motive that ties into the theme of the movie. (They could've done this on Scream 6 with the "gaslighting Sam as the killer" thing, but stepped away from that into "revenge" instead. Which again made zero sense. Ritchie never talks about his family, we don't see any of them, we don't get the sense that they're important ever. So why just have them randomly appear at the end of S6?)
Great points abt Ritchie’s family he never says anything about them!
Please tell me the Tara hints because they went right over my head
@@Skorpio1121 At the very beginning of the of S6 the only person we see the first Ghostface interact with, apart from Samara Weaving, is Tara. She has the most obvious motive to want him dead (since he's planning her death). Note that in S5 Tara was the apparent first victim, and the only person we saw her (apparently) interact with was Amber - there was a big clue that Amber was the killer there (since whenever a character's threatened in a Scream movie, even Charlie in S4, we specifically see them in a position of vulnerability, whereas with Amber we never see this. We just see some prerecorded video footage on Tara's phone.) The scene in S6 mirrors this - now the only person we see the victim interacting with at all is Tara herself.
Tara's whole arc in S6 is gaining her independence and the trust of Sam, but part of this is her approval at Sam's treatment of the killer at the end. At one point Sam even hands (I believe - could be wrong here) Billy's knife off to Tara. Symbolism! I'm sure there are moments of dialogue when the "core four" are together, but I can't recall a specific one right now. Anyway those moments definitely seem to point towards Tara if you happen to be looking at her as a potential suspect.
@@H0lyMoley thank you for sharing! Those are very interesting points and I like the idea of Tara being a ghostface.
I HAVE NEVER CLICKED ON A VIDEO MORE FASTER...I WAS DYING WAITING FOR YOU TO DROP YOUR PLOT BREAKDOWN OF THIS MOVIE, I'LL BE COMMENTING MORE AFTER I'VE WATCHED THIS VIDEO LOL 😅
I loved scream 6! I believe it's the first movie of the franchise that doesn't center it's plot around the og scream for ex: s2 was the copycat of s1, s3 was an expanded look of s1, s4 the remake of s1, s5 the requeal of s1, & even though it mirrors s2 in some aspects, I don't think it's a complete copy of it s6 is it's own movie. It's becoming one of my favorite sequels of the franchise.
Been looking forward to this video for since the movie came out, thanks Zack!
You quoted Jennifer by calling Gale a complex character 💚
And it wasn’t even on purpose haha
Love Parker Posey!!
@@laquitasmith6774 me too!
I'm a Scream geek. Love this channel. You do it the best. Would love to see ur character analysis of this one. Meaning tier list. Have loved ur work on the previous ones. 👍
Wow.. Your idea of Gale in the shrine with Ghostface is incredible.
I will leave a more robust comment soon but I literally screamed out of sheer excitement for the 2 Ghostface, 1 scene moment... my prayers were answered. Fundamentally, this filmed leaned in too heavily on plot contrivances, armour and holes. However, lots of fun and really liked the 5 killers in one film with different motives.
I've watched Scream VI 3 times already and I love it. It has flaws sure, but every single Scream movie does (even the original if you nit pick enough). I feel like over the years people's love of the franchise has almost put it on this pedestal which prevents people from just sitting back and enjoying the ride like they would have 20 years ago. This isn't a dig at Zack as I know the whole point of his channel (which I love ❤) is to analyse the small details. I just think some fans are missing out on the full experience of the movie by being so quick to critique, instead of letting go and allowing the whacky, suspend-your-disbelief universe that Scream has always been to do it's thing for a couple hours.
Also side note, I interpreted the online rumours as framing an online fanatic for the murders, not Sam? The way they explained it at the end sounded to me like "someone on reddit believed the rumours that Sam is guilty and became obsessed with revenge, killing Sam and everyone involved" (leaving Billy's mask with her as a message, as she's a serial killer just like her father). Maybe I'm way off haha, just wondering how other people saw it?
I refreshed my page everyday waiting for this to drop
As soon as Quinn said her brother had died, I joined the dots. I never believed her death or her dads reaction to it was real. I was waiting for the twist. I thought it was too obvious, staged on purpose.. I was in the theatre on its first day, expecting to be surprised. It wound up being exactly what I thought it would be. Great film though. Obvious ending!
Film was garbage.
When Quinn interupted that kiss and forgot her phone in Taras room, she was so nervous, couldnt convince me she wasnt the killer even when she was dead the next scene lol
I just wish they would take you on as a consultant for the next fiom because your ideas for improvements are superb ✨
YES!!
Biggest disappointment for me was the killers’ motive. It would have been way more interesting if the meta commentary for this film was that ghostface actually wanted the “real-life” franchise to end (harkening back to when he says “who gives a f**k about movies”). He is obsessed with the real life ghostface killers and wants to be the last one standing. He wants to kill all the survivors and everyone involved with anything related to the woodsburo murders, and that’s why he is attacking both the new and old characters. This would subvert expectations because he is doing the opposite of what Richie was doing - not finishing Richie’s movie but destroying it. At the end, it could be that he wanted to use Sam or Gale to get to Sidney as the last piece of the puzzle, but that plan is thwarted. THEN all of Mindy’s talk about a franchise actually goes somewhere. And Sam and Tara can realize at the end, as final girls, they are apart of an ongoing franchise and this is now part of their lives forever. And now Tara can grieve.
Great job!!! I agree with almost everything you said. Glad that you are able to critique a film while remaining a huge fan of it. Also, I wanted to add that Radio Silence said in their interview with Dead Meat that they actually cut down the stabs on Chad from its original number. I can only imagine how much worse this could've been if this version is the toned down version of his survival.
Bodega part was 🔥. Fight me.
Well then cash me outside...That part did not feel like a Scream movie. Felt like i was watching an action instead of a horror
@@Hellstothenaw yeah but if you consider that it’s the cop who is wearing the ghostface costume, he would be trained in firearms. Also, it was a brutal execution by putting the barrel right in the clerks face before pulling the trigger.
Are you gonna do a “all horror movies referenced” on this? I feel like there was a lot in this movie. There were posters, the subway, and Mindy listed a few.
I absolutely love sceam6 it left me so satisfied an thats all i needed. It did what scream movies do . Thats all i wanted an expected
Dude couldn’t have critiqued it better myself. Your versions of things makes me dislike what I already did even more, and also what I actually thought I liked lol. You should be writing these
Why did Sam not just kill the detective while he was passed out? Why did she go put the costume on, wait for him to wake up, and call him? She risked her life just to be a bad ass? I mean, it was cool and all, but not realistic. I’m surprised Zach didn’t mention that.
I guess she wanted revenge for what he did, so it was important for him to be conscious.
Maybe not the smartest thing but she does have murderous tendencies and this was an opportunity to indulge them.
Because unlike Sidney....she enjoys killing people....she does it out of revenge and pure glee.
I instantly fell in love with Ethan, so I knew he was one of the killers immediately lol I think they shouldn't have revealed him at the end. They could have had Quinn and Bailey reveal themsevles and Bailey could still monologue about the bond between dads and their first born son. Have Ethan and Mindy appear at the end of the movie, and have Ethan pick up the mask to hint he could be back later. It's one of my gripes with the franchise is that the killer(s) always die at the end, and this way it could have been more of a cliffhanger ending. Especially since this movie was extra gorey and brutal, yet barely any kills. There would be suspense since we know about Ethan while the Core 4 are clueless.
Petition for Zack to write for or be a consultant on scream 7
Strong disagree
i second this but also petition to have 6 remade with his suggestions
@@SirGunkyfrom all the complaints in this video, he seems like the typical Richie type who just jerks off the first movie and hisses at the sequels.
Hahahahahahhaahhahahahahahaahahhahahahahahhahaahahhahaahahahahahahahahshhaahahaha. No.